Upon This Rock

In this episode, the conversation explores one of the most profound and controversial revelations found within scripture: the meaning of the "rock" upon which spiritual understanding is built. Through a symbolic interpretation of biblical stories, the discussion uncovers the recurring theme of the rock as revelation—a divine insight that transforms consciousness and opens the door to deeper understanding.

Central to this episode is the revelation, "Thou art the Christ," presented not merely as a statement about a historical figure, but as the cornerstone of spiritual awakening. The conversation examines how this revelation has been misunderstood, rejected, and overlooked, despite being described as the very foundation upon which the spiritual temple is built.

Drawing connections between the symbology of the rock as revelation, the cornerstone rejected by the builders, and other symbolic references throughout scripture, this episode reveals a consistent thread woven through the biblical narrative. Each stone, rock, and cornerstone points toward a deeper truth about identity, revelation, and the awakening of the soul.

This episode discusses the journey from separation to unity, and the awakening of the soul to its true nature, and invites our listeners to move beyond literal interpretations and discover the living wisdom hidden within sacred teachings. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Hello and welcome to our journey to truth. I'm Maura Jennings and I'm your host for this podcast series with Robert Jackson. Today we're on episode seven, and every episode with Robert builds upon the previous one in such a way that will guide, facilitate, and accelerate you, our listeners, on your own journey to truth. And truly, it is such a privilege for me to be part of this and to be able to bring this to you. So welcome. And with that, I would also welcome Robert and I look forward to today's conversation, Robert. Thank you for being here again.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

Hello, Mara, thank you. I'm so happy to be here. I uh I really I just enjoy these conversations so much.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Yes, and I have noticed that you know, each conversation, I think we've had six so far, and there is a process. You're taking us on a journey. So, and each one is you know, reveals more.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

You know, this is 30, 40, 50 years of a journey for me. And uh, if if people want to just kind of listen, and some of these things are gonna help, it'll cut out years and years of having to study, you know, and having to practice or whatever, because we can always learn by someone else's experience, and then we can have our own experience. And so uh, yeah, we've been trying to build line up on line so that uh you know, people can have just a basic understanding of the truth of what I found as truth, and so yeah, we want to continue to build one upon the other, and uh it has deliberately been that way, and uh we're gonna keep going because what one of my main goals, Mara, is uh I want to get us eventually to the tabernacle of Moses, and uh when we go through that, and once we understand the whole tabernacle of Moses, I assure you it will open the whole Bible, you'll begin to understand things in the Bible you've never understood before.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Even though you have um, you know, you've had your own revelations, you've had your own experiences and your own journey to truth, the Bible has been has been your guide. You've studied that. If you want to just give the listeners a little bit of a background um as to why you're taking us through the different aspects of the Bible and why you're using the Bible as the the guide.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

Yeah, um, well, me personally, see, as a little kid going to church, you know, we like I said, we've tried every church pretty much as a kid growing up, and then through my teens, you know, going to church. And uh it seemed like all my life I've been in and out of church and different kinds of churches, different getting different understandings, different religions. And as I grew older, and I went through a whole smashing ordeal of my life, a breaking down, so to speak. Um, I started turning more and more to the Bible because that was our upbringing. And uh so, but I still never understood it for many, many years until, like I said, I started understanding the tabernacle of Moses and my view began to change. And so it's so simple for me now, not as perfectly simple, I'm still learning, but uh to understand the hard concepts of the Bible that people have taught for generations and generations, and my view is a little different because uh of the way it came alive inside of me, and you could actually take the Bible and you could, I do it because I believe it is the inspired word of God, so to speak, but you could take almost any religion. I mean, you can you can take uh you know, Buddhism or Taoism, or even what the Jews believe, Judaism, and if you was to go back and look at their types and their shadows, even um the Quran, you know, the Quran says, you know, it's strange, but because I haven't read a bunch of it, but you know, they're like uh, you know, if you if you kill the infidels, you'll get 10 virgins in heaven, and they take that literally, and uh and what it what it means on a on a different level is that the infidels are those things inside of us, it's those thoughts, those those uh hateful you know things inside of our mind that makes us hate other people and hate their other religions, and and we always want to kill something and destroy something, and they've been taught to do that, uh, a majority of not all of them. Uh and so it becomes their uh religion or their doctrine, and that's okay, that's what they believe. But symbolically, if we destroy those infidels inside of our own intellect, inside of our own heart, then we will enter that heaven inside of us, and we will have those ten virgins, and ten always represents the law of God, okay, and the virgins always represent the purity of the law. Everybody, everybody in the whole, everybody that was ever born, and everybody that ever was and ever will be. Um, this journey is on the inside of every one of us, and and it gets to be fun, it gets to be, man, you you start understanding the symbology, the symbolic meaning of this and that, the type of this, this is a type of that, that's a type of whatever. And then you start understanding that, then your mind, your consciousness literally opens higher and higher, so to speak. That's just terminology, but you get a greater understanding, and then it's like, oh my gosh, I want more, you know. I want more of that. It's so elegant, it's so beautiful. And uh, so but anyway, that's kind of why I use the Bible. I kind of grew up with the Bible. Uh I it was I had so many god-awful experiences with churches and pastors, you're going to hell, you know, if you don't repent and this and that, they don't even know what hell is. The word hell in the Bible, okay, there's four different words for it. One is shool, uh, one is uh oh, I think it's Tartarus, one is uh Hades. Oh, anyway, there's four of them. I'll figure the other one in a minute. But three out of those four actually mean grave or pit. That's all it means. Grave or pit. And the other one actually means burning fire, so to speak. Because back in those days, oh Guiana, Guiana was the next one, because outside of Jerusalem they had this big pit where they burn all the garbage and all the trash and all the sometimes dead bodies or whatever, they would burn everything outside Jerusalem. It was called Guiana, okay, and it was a place of fire or brimstone, so to speak. You can imagine all these garbage burning out there because how else did they get rid of all their refuge and their waste, you know, back then? So that was Guiana. And so when the Bible talks about hell, hell means a pit or a grave. Okay, that's all it means. And so the pastors come along and say, Oh, you're gonna burn in the pit of hell. Well, it's symbolic of you're gonna burn in the trash heap, but the pit of hell, long before they had prisons and jails, way back in the old days, that was their prison or their grave. And they would throw those people in there, and most religions hated each other, and most cultures hated each other. So when you captured your enemy and threw them in the pit, you know, they would throw garbage in there, they would, you know, urinate on them, spin on them, and at times they would throw oil in there and catch them on fire. So when the English came along and they interpreted this, they gave you this picture of burning in hell, and that's how pastors teach it, and that's not what it means at all. It means pit or grave. But you see what I mean? It's only a pit or a grave, it's a place for the captives. And all of us are captives in one way, and we're already in the grave, we're already in the pit because we're in this dream, and we're kind of in a living in a state of hell, so to speak, at times in our life with our body being sick or broken, or broken relationships, our finances, or can't reach God. All of that's a pit of hell type of uh lifestyle. So, to get back into the uh symbology of the Bible, I would like to kind of go back to where uh we were at a little bit before, and we were talking about when Jacob laid his head upon the rock, and uh he began to have these messages coming from the higher consciousness to his consciousness, and the rock in scripture always means a revelation. So when you get into the New Testament and you hear about all these rocks, you know, like these uh people called this lady an adultery, right? And they brought her to Jesus and thrown her on the ground. And uh he said, Master, this woman was caught in adultery in the very act, and they picked up stones to stone her. So you see, there's the stone again, it's a rock. So are they really gonna stone her? Because according to their law, you're supposed to. But what are the stones? It's their revelation. They think we need to kill this woman because that's their religious belief, but they don't know they're standing against the rock, Jesus, uh, who was the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. And uh, so the Alpha in scripture literally means the uh beginning of the Hebrew alphabet was A. It was Alpha, it was the beginning, it was the first letter. Omega was the last letter of their alphabet, but the word alpha literally means alpha teacher. Now, in in uh English or whatever, we think the alpha was like the alpha male, the alpha gorilla, or the alpha lion, or the alpha bear or wolf, and it is in the natural, but the alpha literally means the master teacher or the alpha teacher, the one who's wiser than all. And so these guys they bring this lady, throw her down, and they don't realize they're standing in front of the alpha teacher, and he's about to teach them a lesson. Not only them, he's gonna teach her a lesson, and through those lessons, we can see what's going on inside of us. They're like, hey, master, what do you think? This woman was caught in adultery, and the law says to stone such a one. Then they picked up stones to stone her. And Jesus stoops down and he writes on the ground with his finger symbolically. When was another turn when you saw the finger of God writing? He was writing on the tablets of stone in the Old Testament, all symbolic. But now he's writing on the dust of the ground, remembering that we're created out of the dust, so he must be writing their nature or her nature. Who knows? But he said, Hey, he that is among you without sin, let him cast the first stone. So, in other words, he's turning their own thoughts against them, their own stones, and they felt guilty. You know, it said, From the greatest to the least, they dropped their stones and walked away in shame, because he just taught them a lesson. But at the same time, he looks at the woman and he's like, Woman, where are your accusers? And she said, There are none, Lord. And he said, Neither do I accuse thee. Go and sin no more. And so the symbol is behind that, too. See, is go and sin no more. And the word sin just means be separate no more. So what he was telling her is, hey, I don't accuse you, Father don't accuse you, just don't be separate from this teaching any longer.

SPEAKER_01 11:17

So go and sin no more. So even that um interpretation there, you said go and be separate no more, it actually changes the whole lesson.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Yeah, exactly. Because that's really the you know, and the and the church has always harped on sin and sin, and oh, you're a sinner and all this sin stuff, and they don't understand. There's only one sin. There's only ever been one sin. And that's what it says. There's only one sin. And the word sin means to be separate from the truth. That's all it means. It means to miss the mark. Well, the truth is the mark, and so if we miss the mark, then we're in sin. Now we have sins, right? Like uh lying, cheating, stealing, robbery, you know, adultery, all these things that are sins, so to speak, Mara, but they're not sins. They're not, they're indicators that you've missed the truth, and if you miss the truth, then you have indicators that you missed the truth. And the indicators are lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, robbery, all the things that we call sins, but they're not sins, they're indicators that you've missed the truth, because the only way to be free from what we call sins, the indicators, is to know the truth, because only the truth can set us free. So the master teacher, the alpha, the rock of ages. Yeah, he's like, Hey, woman, neither do I accuse thee. And so here the master telling us, I don't accuse you either. Just go and be separate from the truth no longer. And you'll know you'll no longer have indicators in your life. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Yes, I mean that is so low, you'll no longer have indicators in your life. You said that when because when we miss the mark, if we don't have Jesus or the light or the master teacher to show us the truth, then we will have accusers. It's it's inevitable. The accusers will be there. But when Jesus said to the woman, Where are your accusers? She said, There are none. So as soon as the truth is revealed, the accusers drop away. The accusation, the accuser, and the devil is another word for the accuser as well. Then that just drops away. There are none, and now you can go on a different path. So I love the way that you've opened that up, Robert. That is fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

And see, from that day forward, she followed him and she became like his chief disciple. You know, it's like, think about it. That's like me. When I was crushed and my life changed, and I began to understand a little bit of truth about not missing the mark. Oh my gosh, I became one of his disciples, so to speak. I I refuse to go a different direction anymore because I know where it'll get me. As soon as I go back into thinking, the thinking world, the mind world, the sleep world, well, then I'll have indicators in my life. Uh, you know, I'll I'll start lying or cheating or stealing or doing whatever people do, you know, gossip. You know, he even says, No liar shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. And they all think that means in the end, okay, you've been a liar, you're gonna burn in hell. No, the kingdom of heaven is within you. He's saying, Look, you can't even get into the silence if you're a liar. Okay, if you're a liar, like you're gossiping about somebody or you're lying about your bills or whatever, you can't even get in there. And but then he goes around and says in another scripture, all men are liars. Well, then how in the heck do we get in there if we're all liars? Because a dream is a lie, a dream is never true, and that's what he's trying to tell us. As long as you're in the dream, you're in a lie, a state of confusion, and that state of confusion, that lie can never enter into the truth, if that makes sense at all to you.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

That makes a lot, that makes complete sense. So the dream, because that word can confuse people itself, but just the dream is the state of confusion, and the dream, the state of confusion, is not the truth. And once you're not in truth, then you are lost, and that's why it's we're in hell. Go back to that word again. That's why this life can be difficult, can take us down a very difficult path because we're confused, we're not in truth, we're in a dream, we're not living um things as they are, we're living things as they appear to be to the senses, and so we we get we get lost. And in order to find that way back to the truth, where there is liberty, you know, there's a phrase in the Bible that I absolutely love, which is the spirit where where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. So to come back to the truths, to come back to the light, then the confusion drops away, and then you can enter.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

Yeah. And uh, you know, so you think about this for a second. I wasn't gonna I didn't think about this little deter, but it just it just showed up. Um, the alpha, right? Do you remember the master said, I am the alpha and the omega, right? Now we know that means the beginning and the end. I am the alpha and the omega. Now you go to the very first book of the Bible, the very first few words it says, In the beginning. Now, what did he just say about the alpha? What is the alpha? Beginning, and the word in the very first sentence says, in the beginning. So it's saying, in the alpha, in the alpha teacher was the word, and the word was with the alpha, God, and the word was the God, the Alpha, and the Word became flesh. So, you know, in the beginning was the Word. Now, Jesus says in the New Testament, you know, He's the beginning and the end. I'm the beginning and the end, the Omega. So, in the beginning was the Alpha, it was the master teacher right from the very beginning of the Bible. In the beginning was the Alpha, and the Alpha became the Word, and the Word became flesh. So, even at that, see, um, the stones that he's giving us are revelations. The stone in the Bible is always a revelation, no matter what, if it's gonna have some kind of some kind of revelation is being spoken of. If there's a stone or a rock, and you can go all through there, uh, just like like that. They were gonna stone her with their stones, was their mindset. He's letting you know that's their thoughts, that's their stones. But when when he comes to he's in the grave and they roll the stone away. See, there's a whole new revelation. But what I wanted to get at on this little journey, because I wanted to connect it to our last one, because Jacob was asleep having this dream with his head on the rock, the stone. Now we get into the New Testament, and this is where the Catholic Church started building their religion, because Jesus asked his disciples one day, he said, Whom do men say that I, the Son of Man, am? Who do men say that I am? And his disciples said one of the oh, some think you're John the Baptist, come back from the dead, in other words, reincarnation. Some think you're Elijah or or uh Jeremiah or one of the prophets. Once again, they're thinking of reincarnation, and but Peter speaks up and says, Well, thou art the Christ, but his name isn't Peter, his name's still Simon. Okay, you got to get that. His name is Simon. Simon speaks up and says, Well, thou art the Christ, the son of the living God. And Jesus glared at him and said, Simon, son of Barjona. In other words Bar means child or son. Jonah was his dad, son of Barjona. Flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you. There's the word revealed, means revelation, but my father, our father which is in heaven, has revealed this unto you. And upon this rock, what rock? There's no rock there. So he's saying, Upon this revelation, Simon, I will build my house, my church, my dwelling. I will build my revelation upon this rock that you have. And he said, No longer is your name Simon. From this day forward, you'll be called Peter. And the word Peter comes from the word petro or stone, petro, petrified. It comes from the word petrified, a stone or a rock. That's what it means. So from this day forward, you're going to be called Peter. And upon this rock, this revelation that thou art the Christ, I will build my church, my dwelling, my house. And really, what it means is I'll build my government and my authority. It wasn't a building, it was my government, my authority, my revelation. But the church comes along and says, Oh, Saint Peter, we got to build a church on Saint Peter. And it wasn't talking about Peter at all. That was his name, Simon, but his nature changed. See, because he got a revelation, Mark. And anytime we get a revelation, our nature starts changing, then our walk changes.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

Ain't that kind of cool? That is so cool. And the way Jesus actually said that the that revelation didn't come from the natural, it didn't come from the world. So he understood that Peter had a revelation from the Father. And that revelation, he built his church. Beautiful. I love it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Yes. And uh, and if you think about this, um, so uh, yeah, upon this revelation. Now, what was the revelation? The revelation was thou art the Christ. That was the very words, thou art the Christ. That's the revelation, that's the stone. And the Bible says there was a chief cornerstone, and they rejected the chief cornerstone. And everybody says they rejected Jesus, rightly so, but it was his message they rejected. They couldn't understand thou art the Christ. And they're like, Oh no, no, we're sinners, there's no way that we are the Christ. So they rejected Jesus, they didn't understand the message. And the Bible said the stone in which the builders rejected is the chief cornerstone. That word stone, see how many times it shows up? It's the revelation, it's the chief revelation. Upon this revelation, this is the only revelation that I'll build upon. It's the only rock, the stone that all the church, all the religions have ever rejected. It's the only one, it's the rejected stone. Thou art the Christ. See, because in a previous podcast we talked about struggling. Uh Jacob struggled with Israel, or struggled with the angel that named him Israel. That struggle inside of us, how can we be the Christ? What a struggle. And so it gets to the point we just reject it. There's no way, you know, there's there's no way I can't. Comprehend that Jesus is Jesus, He's the Christ, He's God, I'll worship Him in my mind forever. But no, he said, Upon this very stone, I'll build my church, and then the church keeps rejecting it, keeps rejecting it. And they say, Oh, we'll wait for the return of Jesus. And he's like, No, there's not going to be a return. I already came and you rejected me, you know. And so the second coming that they speak about is not some rapture where we we're zapped out of here. No, it's when we understand the message of the stone. The second coming is really when we uh understand that we are the Christ. I'm not the Jesus, the Christ, the God of all, but I am the body of Christ, and I've got to understand who the authority was built upon, built upon the rock, Jesus, but we're the body. And if we don't accept that our responsibility as being the same stone, then we'll never understand the building of the house of God, because we are that stone, and it's thou art the Christ. Does that make a little bit of sense?

SPEAKER_01 23:08

As you're speaking, it's it's really because of that if that is the revelation that Christ was to build his church and that was his authority. Many religions have gone quite a far away from that revelation and from that truth. And what has happened is that actually Christianity or the teachings of Christ have become very moralistic, and that moral aspect of religion has probably dominated many, many religions, much of Christianity over the years. So what you're saying, Robert, is actually it's if we had grabbed that, if that stone, that revelation hadn't been rejected, that humanity could have gone down a different trajectory. But that stone was rejected. Now, for those of us listening today who grab this revelation that we are the Christ as He is, another phrase that's coming to me now from the Bible is as He is, so are we in the world. So, what do we do with that revelation? What do we do with that understanding? And how can we take that understanding and bring that into ourselves and really come into a true understanding of what Christ meant?

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Right. Very, very good question. And it's just such an awesome story when you go back and look at it like this, because in their mind, instantly they knew that a stone was a revelation. That's what that's how they were taught in the Hebrews uh back then. So they knew this was a revelation. They knew, oh my gosh, but even they rejected they couldn't get it the very next minute. Peter Peter basically uh rebuked Jesus, and Jesus had to rebuke him over something. Um but anyway, because the mind can't comprehend it, and even us talking like this, the mind won't get it. But deep down in our spirit, it is time, and so the spirit itself will build up on that rock. It's his responsibility to lift us. It's his see if it says if the Lord builds the house, if the Lord doesn't build the house, then its builders basically are building in vain. So we have to let the Lord build the house. That revelation has to build stone upon stone, rock upon rock, and it's word by word, revelation by revelation, and all these uh this whole series you and I have had, we've had little nuggets, little bits of gems, what you call uh of information nuggets, and they're building one upon the other. And we're building this is the temple of God, it's already built, but he's showing us how it got built. Okay, it got built in the spirit, by the spirit, through the spirit, of the spirit, and all of that is the Christ that is the temple of God, and he says, Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and we think it's this human body, because we don't understand, and rightly so. Okay, but the temple of God, and this is what I kind of want to point this out because I think it'll help a few people. Okay, you know, the Bible is always talking in threes, 30, 60, 100fold, and we went across that in a couple other ones, but it's always in threes. So let's start with this. We have a physical body, and in this physical body, we have a physical mind. Okay, so we have a mind body, that's our dreaming mind, Adamic body, but we also have a soul. When God created Adam, he breathed into him and he became a living soul. So we have a soul, but then there's the spirit, so there's the body, the mind, then there's the soul, and then there's the spirit. And so the soul is gonna be the bridge that we need to go by to get into spirit, and that is the rock, it's the revelation of Christ is in our soul body, and the soul in scripture means the feminine side or the feminine nature of the spirit. David said, I my soul does make her boast in the Lord, and so the soul is the revelation, that's where the revelation has to come into the soul so that she can give birth to it in the earth, so to speak, because our soul is the feminine side, and it's right in the middle. We got the carnal body or the mind body that's the thinker, where it's the atom, it's the it's the narcissistic abuser, so to speak, in this world, it's the evil of this world, and it's and they call it the devil. When they translate it, they called it the devil. The word devil means adversary, that's all it means, adversary. And we have this adversarial mindset that's always against the truth, because if we discover the truth, the adversary goes away. You see, and so the adversary will deceive and deceive and deceive and make you believe your mind God is the real God. That way it never meet it never lets you meet the real God. Our soul is awake, our soul is eternal, and that's the individualized spirit of God. There's one consciousness, that's the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, the Christ consciousness is just one. But it individualized itself when it gave you a living soul. You are the living soul of the eternal consciousness, and I am too. Every one of us are the same. No matter what consciousness is, it is the eternal allness of God, the ever-present, uh, omnipresent, omnician, omnipotent God. It's everywhere all at once in those three phases. But we are the soul, the living soul of that 100% where everything God is, but only in quantity. I mean, yeah, our quantity, because it's me individualized, I have it all. But it's like a glass, and you take that glass, you dip it in the ocean. Every mineral and property in the ocean is in that glass, but it's but it's not as big as the ocean. And so, same thing with consciousness. We're the individualized glass of God, everything God is is in us, but only in a smaller quantity quantity, if that makes sense. So the revelation has to come through the soul. But if the soul is asleep with her husband, Adam, then she thinks like Adam, she does everything Adam does, she even leaves like Adam, everything. It's a sleeping soul. But once we realize that Adam was put to death and we can begin to wake up, we can the law says as long as a man liveth, the woman is bound by the man and she has to be married to her first husband. But if the husband dies, she's free to marry another, and that's when the soul begins to wake up, and now she realizes she can marry into Christ. In other words, our consciousness can be raised to a higher level, and then we can take on the nature of our new husband. If does it am I going too far out there?

SPEAKER_01 30:10

No, no, it's so it's really good. So the soul is the bridge. The body mind um is the is the husband. So the soul is the female principle, the body mind, I I assume that could be the masculine principle, and and that is the adversary, the one that takes us away from the truth, that um brings the hardship, that tells the you know that it is dreaming, and it is it is adversarial to what the truth is. But once the revelation comes and you get a sense of what the truth is, then the the the old the man that the the the the mind body mind uh and that is probably what means by being the the the the the body being put to death, it's not a physical death, it's just a turning away from what's not true and a turning to what is true. So once the soul begins to wake up and realizes it doesn't need to be married to the the untruth any longer, and it doesn't need to partake in in those ways because now the lights come in, the revelation is taking hold, and this is the inner, this is where the temple will be built, as you said, on the on the inside in the spirit, brick by brick. So now the soul turns away from what is untrue and begins to see the truth, then a new marriage can take place. I mean, that is it's such a beautiful um way of describing what happens.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

It really isn't. If you think of this, like that he was a narcissistic jerk, and he wanted everything done his way, he wants everything his way, he wants to control his wife and kids or the world, and he wants to have the biggest house, the best money. Um, he wants it all because you know, self-preservation, it's me, me, me, me, me. I want everything as the man, the carnal man wants it all, you know, all the kingdoms of the world, but he's an abusive jerk. He's a he's a tyrant and a tormentor and an accuser. He accuses his wife of adultery or he accuses his wife of this and that. But on the other hand, he acts like he's so loving and caring and tender, and he tricked her because he wore the persona, he wore the mask when he met her, you know what I mean, when she came out of him. And so this is what's kind of cool because you got to look at both sides of the coin there. So now that he's dead, why do we still have all these problems? Well, because his old woman's alive, Eve, you know, and even now she's alive, and all she knows is what her husband taught her. All she knows is abuse, all she knows is narcissism, all she knows is manipulation and adultery, and that's all she knows is all the things that she learned from her husband, because a woman was subject to her husband, and so it's all symbolic. But can you kind of see that that whole picture where a transition has to take place?

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Yes, and that's probably why it's so difficult. Because uh, that is why it's so difficult, because the we have taken on that nature, and it has become us, it has been us for so long that actually it can't just be dropped instantly. So there that's where the inner struggle comes, then to change from what isn't true within us to the lies that we've been told, to the way the you know, the the outer grabbing, and you know, the self, the self, the small self, is selfish because its nature is self-preservation, it wants to survive, it feels it has to survive. But once it realizes tied to something much bigger, and the source of its life is not on the outside, but is something so amazing when the soul wakes up to where the source of life truly is, that's when the letting go can happen, and slowly in the surrender and the acceptance comes a softness. And I guess the female principle is soft, whereas the male principle is hard and it strives and it you know, it it works, it efforts. But the female principle, if allowed, and with the right husband and the right turning, can actually come back to its true nature.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

You know what, Mara? If that lady, that woman that we're talking about, our soul, discovers the love of this new man, this Christ, this message, thou art the Christ, in other words, thou art my bride, thou art my love.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

If she discovers this new guy is not abusive, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 34:47

This new love, if we could comprehend the depth of that love, but the depth of that love comes from thou art the Christ. When we become in union with that, just like a man and woman in the natural, when they really love each other, they're in union. And if we can find a way to not reject this stone, thou art the Christ, and not do away with it. Man, what a love reunion, you know. Do you kind of kind of see where I'm going with that a little bit?

SPEAKER_01 35:19

So it's the union of the soul with its source, and that source is life itself.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

It's the spirit, see, the it's the union between God breathed into Adam and He became a life source, a life, uh living soul. And so when our soul wakes up and she is in union, see, she's feminine in nature, which is us, our spiritual side, when she's in union with the masculine side, which is called the Father or Christ, that union, that love relationship becomes the new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. It's the higher consciousness, it's the child of God being birthed in us. It's kind of like left brain, right brain, you might say, in a way, but we're not in their left brain, right brain anymore. Now we're in the union between the soul and the spirit, and we become one with the truth, and that's how we awake is we have to understand the message, and the message is thou art the Christ. And I like how you was talking earlier, you said something about the stone. Well, the stone, it remember, and it's it says they built the building, the house, or church, one stone upon another, and the stones come together and see you're the stone, I'm the stone, and all the people of the world that wake up, they are the stones. Together we build the house of God, which once again goes back to remember me. We remember our place as this as the soul, as the bride, and so we become the living stones.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

You probably heard that saying, the living stones, and then the cornerstone is really important in that building, uh, in in the building of that, because the cornerstone of any building is crucial, and the cornerstone here is Christ, and that cornerstone, as you shared with us earlier, is the revelation that thou art the Christ. So something that's everlasting can only be built as everlasting if the cornerstone is true, is real, has a strong yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:21

The cornerstone had to had to be the foundation, yes, the foundation stone is what it was. And uh so the chief cornerstone is the foundation stone, and it has to be level, has to be perfect, because if not, everything built around that will be out of whack. So he was the perfect cone stone, the chief stone, the cornerstone, the rejected stone. And the reason they rejected it is because they didn't understand it. You see what I mean? They didn't understand that thou art the Christ, and that's the whole message, thou art the Christ, not just Jesus, because what's true of Jesus is as true of us because he's the head and we're the body. So he was telling uh Peter, Simon, which his name changed, so his nature changed. Simon, you got it, my friend. That's the message right there. That's the stone, that's the revelation, thou art the Christ, because what's true of the head is true of the body, and so the living stones, we become the living stones. In other words, now I can walk out in this world, this world, this physical world, as a living representation of a house that's already built upon the foundation, upon the rock, upon the revelation. And no longer is it a rejected stone, now it's a tried stone. And see, there's scriptures talking about a tried stone, and uh, and all through the scriptures, I mean, Moses tried this stone. Every prophet in the Bible, if you go back and look at their story, that stone, they all had a revelation. You go back to Abraham, he had a revelation, Noah had a revelation, you know, all of them, Elijah, you name them, they had a revelation, they had a stone, they had a rock, and they built upon that rock, their their lives or their ministry or their family, and then it passed down from generation to generation. But every generation has a stone. Look at little David, he had picked up five stones, and every one of them stones is a revelation. He just had to hit that thing right in the head, that giant right in the head, which is our giant in our mind. We hit it with one stone. What stone? Thou art the Christ, and boom, there goes Adam right out the window.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

And that's the revelation that you've given us today. Thou art the Christ. This is truly a beautiful conversation, Robert.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

And he says, Upon that rock, I'll build my dwelling place, which is you and me, upon that rock, upon that very revelation. So, yeah, that's that's beautiful. I just wanted to add that to our last one, you know, about Jacob laying his head on the stone. He got the stone way back then. You know what I mean? He got the revelation way back then, and every one of those guys did, and they passed it forward through all the generations, but then it showed up in history as Jesus, as flesh, as the word made flesh. Yeah, the word made flesh. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Fantastic. Robert, thank you again for another another amazing podcast. It was a very, very, very deep message. I really liked it. I love the way you opened it up. So grateful for um for how you present these, you know, the uh these revelations, how you present what you know, things that can be cryptic in the Bible or misunderstood, and how you open it up in the beautiful way you have this natural way of just bringing it down to earth and making it so natural and so easy for us to understand.

SPEAKER_03 40:32

Well, thank you. I appreciate it too. And uh, I look forward to our next one, and uh we'll just keep building on these things, and then eventually we're gonna get to uh the tabernacle, okay?

SPEAKER_01 40:42

Well, Robert, we look forward to whatever you've got for our next one and moving forward because I know we'll be doing these for quite, you know, there'll be a lot more to come, and it will unfold naturally, and I'm sure you'll be bringing to us deeper understanding, and it'll be just a gift for all of us. Thank you very much for being with us today, and we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

Alright, Mara, I appreciate it. I have so much fun. So I'll see you till next time.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Bye bye. Bye bye, Robert. Bye.