Vile Talks #9: Kyle Harkness of Vile Talks

On this episode, Is something a little different. The tables have turned and I'm the one being interviewed. Here is a little insight into who I am. Shout out to Jess from MadBaby Photography for playing me for the day. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Vile Talks. And today I'm here with Kyle of Vile Talks. How does it feel to have the tables turned on you, bud?

SPEAKER_01 0:10

It's a little weird, but I'm super excited to do this. Uh it's this is gonna be fun. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

So I remember I met you at a hate file show at the Ottawa Tavern.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

Over three three years ago? Like that's crazy. This like 2023. That's crazy. And I met you and Olivia both that night.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Yeah, I I I remember I hated her because she would be the bitch with this the backpack who was crowd killing dudes hard as fuck.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

So how I met Olivia, we were in line in the bathroom, and I was like, I saw you crowd killing. I was like, that was hot. And I'm like, oh man, she probably thinks it was so funny. And ever since that day, I made you and her both be my friend, and that's been three years.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Yeah, I just where the where does the time go?

SPEAKER_02 1:07

I I've seen you probably once a month. There was a couple times. Um, but no, I have seen you religiously for like three years.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

And that's just crazy how time flies, and how how just time flies, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Me too.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Um, so what led you to hardcore?

SPEAKER_01 1:26

I guess like I guess my first, I guess we'll start with this. My first memory of music, I'm a 90s kid, and like I used to my parents had like one of those inflatable pools uh when I was younger, and with it, they had a sunroom, and my dad had speakers in it, and they would blare like 90s alternative rock. So like uh Eve 6, uh Third Eye Blind, Incubus, so like anything 90s alternative, smash or smash mouse, blink one 82, anything like that. But like my first real memory of music, we were at we were pulling up to Meyer, and it was me, my mom, my dad, and my sister, and I remember the song coming on. It's this crazy fucking guitar solo thing. It was Van Halen, it was eruption, and I'm like, my my my mama, my mom and my dad got out of the car, my sister did too, and I'm just sitting in the car, and I peek my head out the the door, and I'm like, Dad, what the f what I didn't say this, but like what the fuck is this? And he and he told me about it, and I remember just being enthralled because he had the record that that song was on like on CD and on vinyl when we got home, he showed it to me, and I fell in love. I think I was maybe fifth or sixth grade, maybe that sounds about right to me. And then like I got a guitar soon after that. I started playing guitar, and like that is what led me to like okay, so like obviously in middle school, I had my emo phase, right? Who didn't? Who didn't, right? Uh I I um I had the swoopy hair. It was I I I don't have a photo. I might. I might, I don't know, we'll see. But uh super super cringe now that I look at it, but it's that's really funny. I uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

I well that was MySpace Days, right? Oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, all that no yeah, the MySpace. Everybody was able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Yeah, the MySpace days, but yeah, I remember meeting this group of people that were in the same type of music, and I eventually like okay, this is super cringe. We started a My Chemical Romance cover band.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

You started something, yeah. You got together with other people and you started something, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Yeah, it was it was cool.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

A lot of people can't say I did that.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Yeah, I it was uh yeah, that was cool, and then like we we had this like eighth grade farewell like thing at the city park here, and it was like, oh hey, uh let's send the eighth graders off to high school with this big thing. They let us play. Don't know why. Don't know I there's video proof. I have the DVD. That thing will never see the light of day. I I my mom one time was like, oh, let's watch it together. I'm like, that's not fucking happening. That is beyond cringe. I do not want to watch it. I am watching it once and then it's getting sealed away, never to be seen again.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Well, I'm wondering if all teenagers feel that way about their first show.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Looking back on their Yeah, I feel I feel like yeah, yeah. I but yeah, that I think we played that was the one I remember. We might have played like one other one, but my first my first show was ZZ Top at the Seagate Center in like 2007. My dad and my friend Tim went and it was I mean Z Z Top's dope. And then my second show was actually Van Halen, which was even cooler. But I think like my first I don't know what you'll call it, like DIY hardcore show was actually like in middle school. It was serendipitously in the basement of a church with a bunch of high school bands that we looked up to at the time. Um, but eventually we I got into high school, I met this kid Mike, um, and he got me into like that was the first time I heard slipknot and like new metal, and I heard slipknot, I remember hearing it for the first time, and I fucking hated it. And then like I eventually it clicked, and I'm like, I want everything heavy in my life. It was like Slipknot and Whitechapel and Suicide Silence and Carnifex, so like first it was the emo alternative rock, then it was the death core, and then honestly, it was death core until about the time COVID rolled around, and then I remember just getting off of work one day and just I mean, because I didn't have anything else to do, scrolling on YouTube, and I found a little band called Knock Loose, and it changed my fucking life. Like I think it was Mistakes Like Fractures was a song I found, and honestly, Brian Garris' vocals did get me a s it took me a second, but once it clicked again, it was like this is the coolest fucking thing in the world. I've never heard anything heavy, and honestly, I won't get too much into it, but it got me through my divorce, which was a very hard time in my life, and it was like one of the coolest things I had ever heard, and once I found knocked loose, I once shows came back, I saw knocked loose, I think like in the end of 2022, I think maybe, and then I that's where I found through like going to shows. I met people at that show that were going to shows in Toledo. Then I started to go to shows in Toledo at the OT at Frankie's. Um, and then like I've been going to shows consistently, hardcore shows for like the past three and a half years. I've seen you at a lot of them. A lot of stuff I go to, you're at too. I know, I know, because we conversate beforehand and be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, you going to this? Like, yeah, do you want to ride together? Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, it's uh it's Save My Life, Hardcore Save My Life, and I'm happy to still be here. Love it.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

So, okay, you told me your first show. What about your scariest show?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Okay, so like there's a couple that come to mind, right? So there's um, I go to a lot of fests, so I would say, okay, I'll give you three. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

I'll take it.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Okay. Uh um, I'm gonna say uh it's band Volcano. They're from Ohio, Kentucky-ish. There's members of Singhu Suckebag. Uh Volcano LDB 2013, or 2013, sorry, 2023. Uh, my first time going to LDB. Uh they were already the sh the the show started, or their set started, and it was like already one of the heavier things. I haven't heard of them before, the seeing them, and it was like, holy shit, this is so heavy. And then like they hit a wall of death at a hardcore show, which I'd never seen, and like the room split, the wall of death happened, and then there was this breakdown at the end of the song, the whole room was the pit. And I'm like, this is my first time at a fest experiencing that, and I'm like, holy fucking shit. Like, I I am like actually kind of afraid for my life. Like, and that doesn't happen. I mean, now it doesn't happen very often, but like then I was new new, I was very green, and it was like, holy fucking shit. Like, I'm a little like I'm nervous for this, but I mean, I came out relatively unscathed, maybe emotionally damaged, but like it's that's okay. Um, the second one, I'll say um laid this band laid to rest from Connecticut. They played Tide Down 2024, I believe, 2024 or 2025, I don't really remember, but I had listened to them before and I was a fan, but seeing them, it was like this is like big boy, big men in the pit, and I'm like, I'm scared because again, the pit was the whole fucking room. Um, and then I mean we were at this this next one, uh Backbiter.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

Yes, I know exactly which one you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Uh Frankie's, uh a large-scale uh scuffle uh may or may not have happened, and uh with security and you know stuff happened, and I was I don't normally get nervous at those things, but I was a little nervous. But yeah, those are the three that come to mind off the top of my head, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Ooh, what about um since round threes? What about uh three no-skip albums? Shit.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Um off the top of my head. Um I mentioned knockloose before. Knock Loose, uh, A Different Shade of Blue. It's my favorite record by them. It's in my top five. Um another big band for me, Green Day, Nimrod. I do like Dookie, but Nimrod has better songs in my opinion, and I do skip some of the songs on Dookie. Uh so uh Knock Loose, A Different Shade of Blue, Green Day Dookie, or Green Day Nimrod, for god. Um, and then Parkoy Drive, Killing with a Smile. Parkoy Drive's new stuff's not that good, but their old stuff is solid and still holds up, and I still visit Killing with a Smile uh once or twice a month. It's still pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

Hmm. So how long have you been straight edge?

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Um I've been straight edge since the beginning of 2024. So we're going on two and a half years.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Congratulations.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

I think you appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

So um, I know this is different for everybody, but what does being straight edge mean to you, or how does it apply to your life?

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Um, I think I've said it, I don't know if I've said it to you, but I've said it to a lot of people like my sobriety means everything to me. I would not be here, we would not be having this conversation if I didn't find straight edge and become sober. Um I was going through a really hard time in my life around like the end of 2023, and I was on a slippery slope and it was just not good. And I had one night where it went a little too far that even in my state of mind at that moment, I had the clarity to be like, okay, you knew it was I knew that like this was going to be uh something that needed to be fixed and remedied, and obviously I was already I was aware of straight edge because I would I had been going to shows and I had friends who were straight edge. Shout out to you. Uh they I kind of knew but I didn't know after that uh difficult evening. I inquired to some of my straight edge friends and they let me know um what it was all about, and I finally thought, like, you know, I'm in my 30s now, or I was about to be in my 30s, and I'm like, I've partied. I've I didn't do a bunch of drugs, but like I did drugs, and like I'm only getting older, and it's just not good for me mentally or physically, so I'm just gonna decide to do what's best for me, my mental health, and then like the people around me too.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

My future, too.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Yeah, my future.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Yeah, I don't want I don't want my friends or family worrying about me, or thinking that version of you, or when they think about you. I have honestly I admire people who are straight edge because so I don't drink alcohol, but I still smoke, but I just admire that you guys you just don't need anything to have fun, you just need yourself, and I know of course everyone does it for different reasons, and not everybody had a problem. Yeah, um, and that's what I really like. I always ask questions because I love learning. Yeah, I love learning, I like learning about people and different stuff like that, and why and it's just really cool. So I just really admire people who don't need anything to have a good time.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Yeah, I I appreciate it. It's uh it's definitely what I was told by my friend Ronnie, shout out Ronnie. Um, he said each day is a victory. I'm like, that's fucking so true. I told another friend who recently claimed Edge that it every day is a victory. Take it one day, take it one day at a time because that's all you can do. Yeah, seriously, yeah, seriously.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

So how did this vile talks? How did that start?

SPEAKER_01 15:31

I took a lot of inspiration um from the hard lore podcast, shout out hard lore, um because I think it's important to get to know people who are putting on for their scene. And I mean, no one in no one in Toledo or Ohio really Northwest Ohio is interviewing bands. I mean, there's people documenting, but like not this style of documenting.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

They're documenting the shows and the atmosphere, but not actually.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Yeah, it's super important to like. I mean, you asked me about my m musical journey. Like, I want to ask other musicians and like you, and like people documenting, like, what's your musical journey? Like, why did you how did you get to where you were?

SPEAKER_02 16:23

Why are you here? Why do I see like what is your yeah, like why are we in the same room uh two or three times a month together? And when you're at shows, you only have limited time to talk to people. If anybody that goes knows that stuff goes by so quick, so you don't have the time to get into deep conversations like that.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

So it's super yeah, it's appreciate it. Yeah, it's just super important. Um like that, okay. Yeah, uh, I guess I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

If I had any advice for people getting into hardcore or like heavy music in general, or just starting to go on out to shows or music never been to a show before.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

Yeah, like I met someone at the Metal Frat um like on Thursday. He had like just started coming to shows like this year or like last year or something, and he was just like, I don't know how to make friends. I'm like, just go. Just go.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

I had made a post before that just said keep showing up, you'll eventually meet people that appreciate your presence. Yeah, and that's true. Like they'll see you. Some people don't like to just go up to people and talk, especially the first time they see you, and a lot of you know, and it's good to be protective of yourself like that.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

So when you continually show up, people will see you, and then yeah, it's just really important to like like and like you don't have to like you don't have to have someone to go with to go. No, like if you if you think you if you see a flyer of a show that you want to go to that looks cool, go.

SPEAKER_02 18:01

Here's the thing you're not you might be going by yourself or driving by yourself, no, but but once you get there, you're not loud, you are not by yourself. Never here's the thing you can't talk when it's loud, so you don't need to be talking to anybody. No, and yeah, I feel like there's not a ton of time in between bands, so it's not awkward, or go outside or take a walk, or maybe use restaurant. Like, there's so many things like you're not going alone.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

No, no, and if like okay, technically you you would like technically I go to shows alone all the time.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

I rarely pull up with anybody.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Me, but once but once I get there, I know people, but like I don't yeah, like my my my parents like ask me, like, oh, like when I go to these fests, like I'm going to New Jersey in uh in July. Um that's Hellfest. Yeah, that's gonna be fun. Um, but my New Jersey. I haven't I've been to Philadelphia once. Um, and it was fun, but it's over 4th of July weekend this year, so I'm excited, but also that's gonna be a fucking nightmare, I feel like, but it's gonna be fun. Positive attitude. But uh yeah, I always go to these fests and these shows, and my parents are like, Oh, are you going with anybody? I'm like, well, technically, no, but like I'll know people when I get there. Like, I drove to Oklahoma City, I drove to Oklahoma City last year, and my mom was like, You're driving 15 hours by yourself. I'm like, I'll know people when I get there, it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02 19:38

Yeah, because a lot of people are adults, have different schedules, have different vehicles, have different anything, and so but yeah, I feel like anytime I go somewhere, I eventually I know someone.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

And like, I mean, you and I are both social butterflies. Like, I will make friends. I've I get at least one follower for every show I go to. At least one. At least one. And like I this isn't about followers, but it's just another friend of another particular met some of my like my family, like you and Alec and Olivia and Sav, and like, oh god, I don't want to get into the shoutouts now.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

So many I know there's there's no like especially me when you don't have a a large family or extended family, like you look for other people that have the same interests that you like to be around that you can surround yourself with, and I feel like I've met a lot of just awesome humans.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

And like, yeah, some of my yeah, like some of my favorite humans are I've met over the past through three years, yeah. Three and a half years.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

The last three, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

That that I've like, yeah, like there's some people who I've known like since high school that I don't even have the same connection with that I have the same that I've met over the last three and a half years. It's crazy. Yeah, I don't know. It's uh just thinking about how short of time it's been, but how fast it's gone.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Well, how much stuff's changed from three years ago to now. COVID was six years ago, and that's the thing too, is coming out of that was wild too. It was hard to be around people, so you had starting fresh making connections and yeah, because like I didn't I didn't know I didn't know like I mean, okay, so I was married for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

I didn't know if I was gonna get into this, but here we are. Um I was married for a long time, and I was not the same person I am today.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

Yeah, I feel like sometimes with relationships, maybe you don't um get out as much or I mean not as social because your social is at home and you don't maybe not saying you don't have to leave, but like it's just different sometimes, and so yeah, having that to Taken away starting like meeting new people with you without having to have someone buy your set.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, with it's just with that, like, and like I was married through COVID, and like that was weird. So all I did was go to work, maybe go to the grocery store if it was open, go home. That was it. For a year and a half, I felt like. And it was like, and then things changed with my living situation. And then I was able, I think I don't remember when shows came back.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

You know, I was on I can't well, I feel like for a minute, I would have to really look at a timeline, but I feel like for a minute it would be like opened up, shut back down, opened up, shut like that's in my brain, that's what it I remember. I don't and then so I'm thinking it was like 2022.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

I could be wrong. I feel like there was oh, because I know, okay, so I don't know if you know, like um, you know the band Mad Ball. You ever heard of that band? Oh, they're from New York. They did a show in a park at like maybe summer or fall of 2021, and it was like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

But it had to be outside and everyone had to be space, like social space. Oh, there was no space. Oh, but no, but still it was outside.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Yeah, but yeah, but like that was the first one that uh I mean I found out about it afterward, obviously. But like that was the first show I think so. My last show before COVID was the day before everything shut down. So like March 12th, 2020 was my last show before COVID shut down, and then I didn't go another show for um uh literally a year and a half, and I have the poster, it was a Kuba Con show, and it was like it's just crazy that like that that that COVID happened, and it was like we did we just were in our homes for a year and a half.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

That's when I bought a camera too.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Oh really?

SPEAKER_02 23:50

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Because I was desperate to try to keep myself busy and because it sucked, like like you and I you feed off other people's energy and going out and having like you know, and um not having any connection whatsoever. And I I hate FaceTime. I don't like using FaceTime. I'm I don't know if it's just I'm an old lady and I hate technology.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Oh, you mean like on your phone?

SPEAKER_02 24:14

Yeah, like having a have like staring into I yeah, I'd rather I don't like phone calls.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Okay, I don't like FaceTime, text me. Yeah, text me. And okay, if it's like an emergency emergency, call me. But like if I don't know the phone number, I'm not gonna if it's important, leave me a voicemail. Yep, that's fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

So, Kyle, um any shout-outs?

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Okay, any shout-outs. Um, okay, so first shout out you. Thanks for thanks for interviewing me. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

This was actually really fun.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Yeah, um oh god, okay. Uh shout out uh threat level, shout out love letters, shout out Southover. I'm not gonna do every band member because that would be way too long. Uh shout out mankind, shout out infectious waste, shout out basement castration, shout out um backbiter, line weight, curbed, manfish, um, shout out the foundry, shout out Mercury Lounge, shout out Frankies, shout out the Ottawa Tavern, oh my god, shout out LDB Records, shout out Tyler, shout out Ashton, shout out Inclination, shout out Straight Edge, shout out Oh fuck. Oh shout out Tie Down, shout out Oh my god, there's so many. I if I keep if I keep thinking I will forget. Um yeah, shout out anyone who I've met over the last three and a half years. You guys have kept me alive. And let's just keep it at that because I your presence means more to me than I could ever say because I would not be here if it wasn't for most for for you guys.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

So and I know your presence makes a lot of people happy too. So it's definitely a two-way show.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

I really appreciate that because I I genuinely don't want to be anywhere else. Like I if I if I like I work during the week, if I see a show, like okay, um, did you see the Koyo flyer?

SPEAKER_02 26:32

Oh that just came up, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

I that that's a work day. I am like genuinely pissed it's a work day, and it's at the OT. And I'm like, it's what Koyo, brown maple, southover, concrete teeth?

SPEAKER_02 26:46

That's gonna be on a fucking exact line off.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

And it's like that, I'm like genuinely pissed that.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

Is it like a Thursday maybe or something? I'm for okay, so I can get away with almost any day of the week, but for some reason Thursdays are like are extremely difficult for me, and the la so many shows I've wanted to see have been on Thursdays or like something that going on, and I'm like, man.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Well, okay, it's it's like the middle of June. So like I'm I'm might swap days with someone or something. I hope I'm in the process of waiting to see if transfers come up for day shift at my job. So like if I get on okay, knock on some wood real quick. If I get on day shift, I'll get off at 6 30. Doors are at 6. The the OT is a 20-minute drive from my work.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Even if you're late, at least you got to go.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

And like, okay, yeah, yes. Like, I will, but I any show that happens during the week, I will be I'm like, can I swing this? Can I just miss out on work?

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Oh, I wish I could go to everything. There's I there's so many things I've gone to.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

FOMO, FOMO is always real. Yeah, especially like like the big fest. Like if I don't go, like there's one this weekend, it's like, what is it? The rebirth re rebirth record showcase. It's in Philly or New Jersey. My friend Tia's there, and it's like scarab, magnitude, sissy voice, a couple more Detroit bands, and it's like, oh my god. Oh, wait, okay. Shout out Anatonia, shout out King's Command, shout out Kingslayer, shout out Wheel to Power, shout out Enough Said, World of Malice. Oh, that's all I got. I think that's all I got. I I think, but yeah, I don't know. Hardcore's my life.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

And so you asked me what shows I'm excited about on my interview. I forgot to ask you what's coming up that you're excited about.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Um, okay, obviously Tied Down is in less than two weeks.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

That is true. Is there anybody you're looking forward to, or maybe that you haven't seen before?

SPEAKER_01 29:01

I'm excited. Well, there isn't a lot of bands. There's bands I haven't seen on Tied Down this year, but there's not, I wouldn't say like that I'm like wanting to see. Oh, okay. Well, that I haven't seen that I want to see, but there's bands that I have seen that I want to see again. Um it's been Hundred Demons from Connecticut. They're on the process of like a new record cycle. They dropped a couple singles, and it's amazing. They're playing the pre-show on Friday. Um, and then both days, Saturday, Sunday. I'll be the Saturday, in my opinion, is the where I will be participating mashing more. Saturday is more of just like a kind of a hangout day or whatever. But tie down um at the end of the month. Oh Jesus, I literally have to pull up a calendar, otherwise I'm gonna fucking forget. Okay, so um oh okay, before that, on Tuesday, I'm going to I'm going into work late. Oh wait, no, I'm not not going into work late. Um get in trouble. Well, they won't listen to this shit. You kidding me? Um I am going, I may or may not be wink wing going to uh Mahal's in Cleveland to see Snuffed on Site, Final Resting Place, Torture, Lion Wait, 1000 Blades.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

She said that's a Tuesday. Yeah, it's Tuesday.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

I know. Um that's exciting.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

That that is exciting. That's gonna be really cool.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Um, as I mentioned earlier, me and a couple friends were going to New Jersey in um for Hellfest, which is I'm not gonna even gonna try unless all the bands if you know the flyer, if you know you know, look at the fucking flyer. It's the best festival lineup I've ever seen in my fucking life. Um and then like I guess we'll stick to fests at the moment. Well, I got two more, I guess. Uh Midwest Spin Kick Fests, like you talked about. Uh Backbiter, Nuff said, Anatonia, love letters. Um, it's gonna be dope. I went last year, it was fun. Um, homies putting that on. Uh and then Unified Fest in Indianapolis just got announced. I saw the flyer and like I broke out in a sweat. And I like bought my ticket immediately. Uh Inclination, the reason I'm straight edge, I've seen them once already this year, and I will see them anytime. Uh they're headlining it, it's gonna be awesome. Uh, it's inclination, combust, uh, foreign hands, uh, and then this band with paper wings. If you haven't listened to with paper wings, you need to listen to them. They're metal core, they're metal core from South Florida. They are amazing. And I never thought, or at least I never thought I would be able to see them, but they're playing Indianapolis in the beginning of August, and I am so fucking excited. I'm gonna moss my fucking ass off. That's awesome. I I uh and then I've got okay, so that those are the fests, I guess. I go to a lot of shows, I'm sorry. Um, but on the local level, um I'm going. You mentioned it, uh Kyle from Threat Level's birthday show at Frankie's next month. That's gonna be fun. Oh Jesus. Uh the fuck, I don't even know, dude. There's just so much. I can't even think of it right now. But yeah, there's just a lot. I go to a lot of stuff. I it's either I'm like right in the middle of Detroit, Cleveland, Columbus. So like it's like less than two hours to anything. So all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

You don't just stick to one area a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

No. Um oh, more shout-outs. I'm so so out of it.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Hey, this is your show, man. This is your show. I'm just hoping.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Yeah, right. Um, shout out Zach, shout out Bailey, shout out uh Corey, shout out Seagro, shout out Frybot Records. Um not Fire Fry But Records.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Is it records or records?

SPEAKER_01 33:19

I'm always shout out Alec from FryBot.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

There you go. There you go. Sometimes I'm like, I'll think about something too long, and I'm like, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

You're I know.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

You if you know, you know, it's Alec.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

It's Alec.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Um shout out Jay Wada, sound sound dude at Frankie's, best sound dude in the game. Um, yeah. Hawker Save My Life. You should listen to it. It's pretty dope.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

Well, thank you, Kyle. I'm excited to uh have you be an interviewer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Interviewee. I'm sorry, the interviewer. Yeah, this is fun.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

I'm gonna steal your job. No, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

You better not.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

I talk too much, those things would go off like for hours.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

But yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

Yeah, this is a lot of fun. Thanks. Thanks for letting me interview interview you.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

Thank you for thank you for doing it. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

All right, I will probably see you at a show soon.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

Of course, of course you will. Thank you. Bye. Bye.