Clare, Limerick or Offaly? Who makes the Quarter Final?

I'm joined this week by former Offaly star Elaine Dermody and by former Clare star Fiona Lafferty to look back at the weekends action, and also to look ahead at a pivotal weekend in the Senior Championship as in Group 2 the second quarter final place is up for grabs between Clare, Limerick, and Offaly. Als, the scond relegation position is to be found out with Dublin requiring a win which could drag Limerick and Offlay into it. While in Group 1 Galway, Cork, Waterford and Tipperary battle it out for semi-final places. Also Fiona talks all about Clare camogie and how good the year has been so far, and where they can go in the future.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

And welcome back to the latest episode of the Talk and Kamoge podcast. I'm joined this week by two special guests. One returning, I think, for her third time on the podcast. It's off being very alone, Elaine Darwin, and also on the podcast for the first her first appearance on the podcast from Claire, a winner of two Munster Championships, an All-Ireland Junior Championship, an All-Ireland Junior Club Championship, and one Munster Junior Club Championship, and numerous senior Clear Senior Championships. Fiona Lafferty. Fiona, you're very welcome to the pod.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Thanks very much, Joe, for having me. And Elaine, how are you? We meet again.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

Good, Fiona, good, good. You're in the web now, you won't get out of it.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

So look, I suppose last weekend it was an interesting weekend, I suppose, in the senior the group two. Look at Kinney obviously had a big win over your own counterfiona clear. And they're in there into the quarter final after that win. And look, Clear's still in a strong position. Good with the one game to play, like obviously against Osling. So you're still in a strong position. But like, how much do you think that defeat maybe will knock the confidence back a little bit? And of course, like picking up the couple of injuries now that's picking up. Like obviously Lorna was already injured, and then another injury there in the game. So how do you think that would affect them now that game on Saturday? Will it have much of an effect on it?

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Yeah, look, I suppose the Clearer Girls got off to a great start, and it was great to get some wins back to back and follow up on a very good league campaign. But like they needed that test against Killipenny on at the weekend. And you have to be able to, I suppose you have to be able to bounce back from it. Um, you know, they've like six days now to to get ready. I suppose this week, given the weather and everything, it's just a matter of trying to get the bodies right again and get the heads right. I'd say after the game, I'd say the girls themselves the performance, it wasn't, I suppose, where they would like it to be. But in saying that, maybe for 40, 45 minutes of the Kilkenny game, you know, they were there, thereabouts. It I suppose just the injuries maybe took a toll on on the game. Like, and we can't forget too, like in the the league final, Claire would have lost Cleveland Cattle to injury, you know, she'd have been corner forward in after losing Lorna, full forward, and Daniel Griffin to be one of my own uh clubmates. And to go to lose her so soon at the start of the game the last day. Like I suppose in Claire, like we're not a massive county, and to be getting all those injuries, like they're they're adding up now, and look at the massive game at the weekend, and you can't be going into it in a position saying, Oh, look at uh a draw will do us, will get us over the line. You know, you can't go in with an attitude like that or a mindset. So like the girls themselves are gonna want to put in a performance. Um I think definitely anyway, Sunday and and get in others, they're not gonna go to bar just to take part, they're gonna go to to try and take the win. And I know it's not gonna be easy. Awfully are on the back of a great win there last weekend. So look at awfully be looking for an upset. Limerick are gonna be looking for an upset, everyone's gonna be looking at results at around quarter to five on on Saturday. Um but look at hopefully the girls can get there. There's a huge prize at the end of it to be to be realistic about it. Like it's not every day you can be saying, Look at if we can get this win now, we'll be above in Crow Park playing, you know, in front of the with the hurlers as well on the same day. So look at that is a a big bite of the cherry, but you know, you can't go in thinking we have it, because that'll be the one day where you'll be home on the bus and you'll be sitting in the Hogan stand watching the games in in two weeks' time.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Uh and look, Elaine, just uh on the Austre game or two again. Look, I suppose maybe an unexpected win in many way, like under second win, but both Westford, like maybe one in Dublin would have been favoured, no, especially after the win over Westford. But it was a great defensive performance from Australia in particular, like they defended excellently, and they didn't give Dublin anything really in the forward. And they seem to have learned a lot from the meeting by Dublin in the Leicester Championship, and just seemed to stop the Dublin running game a lot better than they did in the Lexington Championship game. And that's maybe where the win came from there. Like just the whole backline really defended excellently. And look, obviously, Marie Toned in midfield. Do Marit Eaton so freely, you know. She got back th few times, like, you know, getting hooks, blocks, and everything in, as she always felt like.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Yeah, it was a real team effort on the defensive side, that's for certain. Like we we we talked about the Dublin game. I think they conceded four goals in that. Now, it was a bit of a crazy day. It was all sorts of seasons in it, but it was hard to see that day, Offly, maybe getting a win against Dublin in the championship. So it's really, really it was a really, really impressive win. Obviously, from a going perspective, you know, Todd Lahi and Ray Teen shot the lights out. But really, I think the game was probably one, as you say, on the defensive side. Ian Moreno's made a great save, you know, towards the end of the game as well, which was was really crucial. And it was it was really heartening to see, you know, that kind of you know, bodies on the line, hooks going in, legs going in, arms going in, and and but smart defensive play as well, you know, not just kind of you know, not conceding too many stupid frees or anything like that. So, yeah, I mean, it was definitely one on the defensive side. And it takes the pressure off them in terms of, I mean, being realistic, survival wouldn't have been the first, the first target for Offaly this year having come up from intermediate. So they've achieved that. And you know, they go into the game now against Claire, and I suppose, you know, in Claire's hands in terms of who progresses. If Claire win, they're true. That's it. You know, I think there's no there's no, you know, that's it, it doesn't really matter. Offly will need a certain set of combinations of scoring difference and results and different things to go their way. But you know, it was a great, great win. Super, super moral-boosting win for them.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

Yeah, I actually thought Cloda was excellent on threes. You know, she's a nice style developer, kind of right-handed but left side dominant. I thought she was really accurate. So, like, definitely declare her backs are gonna have to, you know, and they have been very good. Sineel Keith has been pretty good there inside full back as well. You know, she's she's steady. I know she had her hands full the last day with Barco, who probably should have done more damage, to be honest. But, you know, Shanel has been real solid, you know, all year. So hopefully she'll be back to her best again next day.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Like just there for the off again, like for one thing they maybe win about the scores like 18 points, but like 15 tenth from free, so only three tenths for play. I don't Claire probably there'll be a bit more disciplined maybe than Dublin, or like that's what really costs Dublin as island again, like the discipline. But I can't see Claire maybe being given away that many free, like getting, you know, maybe also we will need to score a few more from freeze if they're gonna have a chance to get anything out of the game. But there would be Claire would probably be another step up from Dublin like as well.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Yeah, and I think obviously Claire will be well aware, as Joan has said there, you know, of look, most teams have great free takers, let's be honest. But you know, between Cloda now and Marie Then, there's two, you know, depending on the distance, there's two there with with that have their own aim, you know. And there's one or two others on the on the team as well that can take can take freeze, like Grace T can take freeze as well, you know. So yeah, I mean, the slight worry for African would be that, you know, on such a fine day, fast ball, dry pitch. And I mean, you know, Burr is a great place to play fast hurling or comedy, you know, with the scores. That would be the only slight negative. But to be quite honest, I mean, I think it's a great result for the girls, and they've they've they've achieved, you know, what would have what would have been plan A. So I you know, I don't want to be too too negative on it, but I suppose in a realistic sense, yeah, if Claire are disciplined, much more disciplined than Dublin, it'll be interesting to see how often we go with breaking them out and making some difference on the on the scoreboard. And goals have been kind of, you know, they haven't been hugely plentiful for us. So, you know, I think I think we're probably gonna need a goal or two potentially to get over Claire. It's gonna be it's gonna be a very difficult game. Like Claire on nine points, you know, only one defeat. So and and they know what they have to do. So sometimes that's that's kind of easier, I suppose, mentally as well.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Yeah, I think like it's you know, they said for like nice fast pitch, like it's definitely gonna be nearly like the half-forward line midfielders, like just running at the backs, you know, because there's a B there in the awfully half-forward line too. And you know, I suppose like the last day, Claire without Clay Kilkenny, and they went with the sweeper from the beginning. And that's something like that they wouldn't have done in any of the previous three games. So like it'll be interesting now to see do they go back to their original or do they go back to you know, start off with the sweeper. Personally, I think I kind of feel if they'll go back to 15 on 15, because I think they're more of an more of an attack that day. I think Roshan Begley was a little bit under pressure the last day, having you know the ex-trickle Kenny player in front of her. And even Andrea O'Keefe was a little bit quieter there last weekend now than she had been in the other game. She's been an exceptional far. And then maybe she was well marshalled, you know, one or the other. But you know, like she's another player who's well able to uh to run at him. So look at I'll be rooting anyway for a clear victory.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

Well, actually, just on that the relegation. I don't think Offly are fully safe yet, though, because if the bottom two teams end up with a relegation playoff, and look if Dublin were to be Limerick and Claire by Offley, Dublin would probably finish ahead of both of them because Dublin have their superior points if it's like they're plus one while Offley are minus 14 and Limerick are minus 13. So Offley still could end up in that relegation playoff if they were to lose to Claire and Dublin were to beat Limerick, I think. So I think that's the way it works. So I think they're not 100% safe yet as it stands. So it's a playoffs, isn't it? It's not the bottom team. Oh, okay. No, Dublin and it'd be Wexford, obviously, really, because but yeah, the playoff with where finish second one, like Dublin have a far superior point difference, they're plus and the other people minus.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Like awfully minus 14 at the moment, Limerick are minus 13. So look, if it does go down to point if it's gonna be closer, I suppose whatever the final game's goals in as well. That's all yeah. But like just on the group, I suppose look, Kikinley obviously into quarterfinals, they have been the better team, like you know, they've won all four games, like in the last look they've got honestly by 12 points, and then they had a strong win against Claire the weekend. So they suppose they have deserved it, like you know, and they have been playing really well, I suppose, overall. Like, so they've been a strong position as well going into the quarterfinals, but they're full of confidence as well. Like, especially at the start of the year, they had like you think now the confidence would be thorough now the Fiona.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Yeah, I think the one thing with Kilkenny, like they it's just I think they've scored, they've scored thro uh two goals, three goals, four goals, and five goals. I think that's been very, very impressive. And I suppose losing to losing, you know, not winning that Leinster final. I know look, the provincials maybe don't have the same importance that they they might have had years ago, but it probably is a bit of a shock to the system. But I think they're slowly building confidence and they're really laying down a marker that they're that fifteen, you know. And I suppose that they probably feel maybe now they should belong in that group above as opposed to the group that that they're in. I mean, no one knows what way the structure would be next year, but yeah, I think they're cementing their place, they've laid down a marker and it's not a case I don't think that they'll go down and play Wexford and you know they'll just play the game like it's Kilkenny.

SPEAKER_00 11:29

They'll just they'll try Yeah, no, I like I I I agree, like with Elaine, like the I don't think maybe Kilkenny might need to be in, you know, other such a tradition of the county, like to be in group two. I don't know, maybe they literally went out to prove a point, but they they you can see in in their games like racking up like 5.15, what are they 414 last day against Claire? You know, like that's 929 in two games. You know, they're out to punish. And yeah, I do think they are a step, they're they are a step ahead of you know the other five teams in the group. But I I like the structure this year. I think it gives, let's say if you okay, you've you're your group one, and we'll add in Kilkenny into that and say you've got your top five teams, but like your the other five teams, there's not a whole tile between each of them, you know. And I even I see like even within our own county, like maybe previously you've got your two groups, and you could say, oh god, really tough draw this year. We're playing Cork, we're playing Tip or Galway, and then you might say, Oh, we've got uh Offley in our group, but we've got Limerick in our group. Maybe that's that's where we can target. While I think now with the the way it is set up this year, the you've got great competitive matches, you can build a bit of momentum, you know, it's out in social media, it's in the news, people are getting behind their county, it's another win for Claire. You know, I think it's it's it's building and it's good for good for Camoge, and it's it's also given your top five teams or your your four teams in group one really competitive matches as well. So I I was a bit skeptical about the setup at the beginning, but I like it. It's a good competitive matches.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

Yeah, look, we lost an end there for a minute, but she's back now. But like also we get in the group like Westford 311, Limerick 118. I look that was a big win for Limerick, but I can all keep keep them within a chance to get to a final. But like Wetford as a whole in this championship, like they came in after a great Leicester championship. Like, I don't know it's a bit different from the All Ireland, but you know, they better kinning and then they bet Dublin in the final with a second great second half performance against Dublin. But for whatever reason, it just has to happen for them in the All Ireland, like you know, that's four defeats out of four now. And look, the Iron Ring danger of getting relegated now because and if they were to get relegated, like it'd be a massive setback for the county, like you know, because they've been so long ago, like they were winning all Ireland like that. Like, you know, they were the last team other than the Kinney Cork or go with to win in all Ireland, like so you know, it would be a massive setback for them, but for one reason or another, it just hasn't happened for them in the championship.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Yeah, it's what a puzzle is going, isn't it? I don't know, it's just a puzzle.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

But um, like like there's no game that they've gone out and they've lost by five points or six points. You know, every game has been like like very tight, or like any defeat that they've had is has been one or two points in it. Like, I don't know, like off awfully beat them by a point, Claire beat them by three points. Even at last weekend, like Limerick gone out and beating them. Like, I think Limerick just got over the line like with a one-point win. So, you know, like I suppose that if you're looking, if I'm a Wexford comoge player and I'm saying like we had a decent enough championship in the sense that maybe the performances were there, maybe just one or two little the errors in matches. But like and them to be looking at relegation is it is tough, you know, and you know, like Wexford is is such a stronghold comoge, and they've had like a very good Lynster campaign, as you said. Like it definitely would be a massive setback. I think it should be a massive setback for any any of those counties, any five counties, four counties there that is relegation.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Someone has to go. Yeah, that's like Kion. You mentioned it there a minute ago about the structure of this championship, and how it does help a lot. I think that say limited office, for example, like they've got competitive games that win against hind effort teams, and like they've got a couple of wins as well now, each already. So just that will bring them on, and also like especially in limit there now, but they've been senior now for the last I think it's 12 years or something like that, 13 years. And maybe there have been some few big meetings that maybe will play in the top team, but just the competitiveness now and all this, like and like you have you have the likes of Laura Southern there, Sarah O'Brien, you know, really coming on this year. I've been really impressed by them this year. And I've said it all and on. I've seen it a few times over the years, even against the breader a couple of times. Like they were suffering a couple of big meetings, but yeah, we're impressed by how they wanted to play the game and that, but just they were maybe they were lacking a bit of forward power, but they racked up a big score there now again, like again, you know, they're 118. So maybe it seems to be getting the players out, maybe it's just coming together for them now nicely, because they're getting like these games and competitive games.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Yeah, like definitely. I think like certainly anytime um Limerick have come to or travelled to Cusick Park, you know, Claire would never take it for granted. I think Limerick, whether it was Comoge or Herlin, I think there's always uh fierce rivalry there. And you know, Limerick, Komogey, they always, you know, they always bring a great performance and a toughness to the games. Like even I was, you know, it was good to see there at the weekend Rebecca Jalee, like she's Newcastle West, you know, she was starting there last weekend, you know, and say with our own, like my own club there, Raime Kilimona. Like we would have played Newcastle West in Munster Club Championship last year, you know, and they you know they beat us on the day, like but they're a great site. I suppose I'd probably like to see more Newcastle West players on the county team there. You know, I suppose you kind of have to question, you know, in a sense, you know, you know, would more than giant in into the senior panel, into the county panel. But like the you know, Limerick, they're they're really good. Even uh a full forward there, Laura Southern, I think you mentioned her already, Joe. Like she is she was very good at Cusick Park that day, like a real threat up front. You know, and I think you know, they're good, they're definitely good. And you know, they certainly the weekend they're you know, they'll be inviting Dublin down and saying, look at we were here for a battle and we're gonna try and get three points and give it our best shot. Definitely the weekend anyway.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Dublin look they have a lot to play for, like fighting for their life, like they have to get the win to get they have any chance, but they know they lose that like they're in the relegation playoff or even so they'll have to be should be gonna have a good game, like but like and then like the Kenny Westford. Look, either team really have anything supposed to play for that game. So but I suppose they want to win it anyway, for near neighbours and the pride as well. I think Kenny probably they want to keep your 100% record going into that game, you know, keep the confidence up going into the final. While Redford looked at what they get, I suppose a win on the four relegation playoff, you know. They don't want to be going into that like that lost all five of the game. So yeah, I still think there'd be a competitive game like down there in Westford Park as well. Like Western home advantage, you know, they'll definitely be all out to beat Kilkenny like and Kilkenny then have the will be looking for a ranger spot from the championship.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

They will, yeah. I mean, give Kilkenny a grudge and I tell you, you wouldn't like stand in the way too easy. But I think Kilkenny will want to keep the momentum going. I don't think they'll it'll be interesting to see whether they'll, you know, make wholesale changes, give panel members a run out, or whether they'll maybe start strong and and you know try and get game one and then make a couple of switches. But I I think it's not really in Kilkenny's nature to you know just take it as a game. We're already through. I think they'll definitely want to keep the momentum going. But having said that, like Wexford, nobody can beat them. They've already done it this year. And and as Fiona said there, like they've been very, very unlucky in some of the games. I mean, I was at the off-beat Wexford uh match, and I mean it was a last-minute goal, you know. And you know, when that happens, sometimes you wonder, all right, like you know, you're out of luck, and and in some of the other games as well, it's been very tight. So I think you know, as you say, local diary, nothing to lose for Wexford, nothing really to gain for Kilkenny. So, but I still think both teams will go at it fairly, fairly hard, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 19:44

Yeah, I I I agree with that. Like, I think you know, Wexford will say, look, let's come on, like last game, let's try. Okay, yes, they'll have relegation, but like they'll say, Come on, we need to let's just try and get back to winning ways or or get one win in. But um, in saying that, I still think it's probably going to be a Kilkenny win. I'm I'm putting my colours up there. I think it's gonna be a Kilkenny win.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

I suppose the other thing is they know like that they're going to be in relegation. And if you're going into a relegation game on the back of maybe a really demoralizing defeat, I mean it's very, very hard to rouse rouse the troops. And no matter who they're going to be playing, if it's Dublin, if it's maybe Offley, which hopefully it won't be, they're you know, they're gonna want to have a bit of momentum, a bit of confidence, you know. Like I say, if they're coming off a big hiding, it's very hard to raise then for like the worst final of all, which is a relegation final. You know, no one wants to be in that final, but you know, I I think they'd probably be looking for something just to build on for that relegation game, some positives anyway.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

Just going on for a minute, actually, last weekend as well. Intermediate group one, the final round of games were on at the weekend, and just to go through the results quickly, yeah. Down not 10, Antrim to 3-9. While Carey had a 216 to 08 win over Derry, and that's when Antrim finished up the group three wins from three while Carey were second. So Dick goes straight in. That's the same as the senior. They go into the semi-final now. While Down and Derry are into a quarter final, and the quarterfinal draw was actually made today. That'll be on the weekend of the 4th and 5th of July. And Derry take on meat and leash will take on down. So look, this should be two very good games as well. Like in look, Antrim and Carey are not surprisingly as well into a semi-final already, like finishing top two in that group. But look, you expect them to be two strongest teams in that group, and that's how it worked out. Like Antrim win and all three games. So but like Derry versus Meat and Leach versus Allen, like Leash Otham Jr. like in they won all three of their games in group two, so like they're going stronger now in games of Wii get like so should be interesting two games there, then in the quarterfinals of that.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Yeah, definitely, yeah, so they'll be competitive games. You know, I suppose, you know, Derry, you know, definitely have a strong tradition there as well. But in saying that meats, meats are no pushovers, that's for sure. You know, I suppose with Claire, we would have played them quite a bit as well in in League, you know, I suppose going well going back a good few years now at this stage, but uh you know they've always been building, you know, so they're they're tight games. But yeah, look at as you said, Antrim and Kerry, I think definitely or do seem to be that little bit ahead of the other four.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yeah, I mean that that that group with Leach and Mead and West Mead and Carla, I mean Leash ran away with it right, but like I think scoring differences the others, you know, it was uh tiny, tiny margins in that group. And then of course we know what we know all about Antrim, you know, and great, you know, great club scene up there and always strong at the county level. And then Kerry made the intermediate final last year. Some you know, some really, really talented players, you know. We we we got we all know probably some of the names, but might just be lacking one or two in terms of depth, and and it's hard because they don't have pick like you know, so an injury or two will probably hit them worse than a lot of the other counties. But yeah, there's it'd be interesting to see now when the two groups kind of collide, you know, if there's any what's the difference in the in the in the standard or is there a difference at all? Do you know? It'll be it'll be interesting.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

As I said, there was a group meet and my speaker. They all finished for three points, there were three teams, and it meet and west meet like just for separate, I think it was two points for the difference and points the difference. So when meeting found sounds very unlucky, you know, and they to be out of the ball like into the relegation play. But look, that's how close it is, like I suppose. And that's we can go to sports for them. I would just have to go into the remediation playoff now and see what that was for them. But like, look at the heads out next weekend, it's obviously the final round of the senior championship, both group one and group two. And like we've gone to group two more in a minute, but like group one obviously look Cork and Alford Week and Parking Ring on Sunday. That's the game on the YouTube channel. Like actually the Oxford Dublin game or off the game at the beginning, but that's on the YouTube channel as well. And then in At and Ray, Kenny Park and Ray go and play Tipperary. And look, Cork look put Baron America out because they've a better point different. They'll probably be in two seventh final, but there's still a chance for all the other three teams to get through, yeah. Like, you know, like if Galway were to win and Cork bet Waterford gave governments to go through, then suppose Tipperary has to win anyway to have any chance. Like and there's not much in a five difference in that either, like, between the three teams. Like Waterford are zero points, Galway minus four, Tiberiri minus six, or like uh a win for either team could get them, you know, uh from into second place. Like if Tiberi were to be Galway, but I only got two, three points might give in second place, depending on how the other game goes. But they're still going another two great games like that. Like and they're all all the games that be close, really. Only three points did it pass from the court goal again, which was seven points, but even though it's because anomaly, really, you don't clock beating golden that much, but there should be great games there on Sunday in that.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Yeah, definitely. Like Galway tip going to Acton Rye. You know, I was like I kind of I f I suppose I fancy Galway at home. You know, I was kind of looking at the table there, and I think, yeah, definitely Cork, Waterford. I I I think Cork are gonna take Waterford. You know, Neve Rocket, even for her Waterford was was injured the last day, you know, didn't play. I think if they are without her again next weekend, I think Cork will beat Waterford. You know, and it's Clark's first game at home, probably their only championship game at home this year. So I think I see Cork tap in the group, then I then I'm gonna call Galway coming second in the group. I think they I think they'll be tipperary. You know, they're going well. You know, like saying that me Mallon was missing the last day. But look at you mentioned it earlier about free takers, Carrie Dolan's excellent on the freeze. Still Galway home in Achton Right. I think I think they'll they'll do a butt. Look at Tip have no wins yet either, and they're not gonna be best pleased about that. So I think they'll definitely bring it. But I I just I I don't know, I I feel Galway will take them, but look at I could be very wrong and eating my words come late Saturday evening. But I think I think Galway will will come second in the group. But yeah, look at it, it is very tight, second, third, and fourth place there, like score different sectors, nothing between them.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

Like I don't think Galway has hit the heights that they're used to just yet in the championship. Now that could be because you know they might they might be waiting for the back of stage, if you know what to really hit form and all that. Like lost the court by seven points, and you debate Waterford by three points. But I felt Waterford could have won that game in the second half. Like Waterford hit, I think, was hit or seven wines in the second half, and they were all like scorable wide like that. You really should get maybe that level, like, and if they got even half them, like they could have won that game or got a drawback. So you know, as it might have been to hit four in the knock on stage, if you know, but and on Chaparrell, like I think they were disappointed with news like last broke in by three points. Like they were better against Cork now the last day, because they were very forward against Watford the first day, but and they were missing Karen Hendley the last day. I they were missing Cleveland State, and it was missed she missed Broken because I leave during the leap inserted. Karen got Brian injury in the first game at Walford. But like I thought they just like they won the Munster Championship, so like maybe they had that, maybe it's a hack, maybe it's the thing winning the provisional championships for Wixford, they just can't seem to get going in the islands, doing something in it, but like but they'll obviously even if they don't get semi-final, they probably want to get a win, you know, before they're going to a quarter final like because they don't want to be going into a quarter final like of heavy space in Kidney, you know, about the three defeats like you know, something like that, and it won't be easy like.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Yeah, like tip were sorry, tipper very impressive, you know, in in parts of the Monster Championship, and their forward play was I thought I thought was very, very good. I think if we disappointed with the water for defeat, you know, you'd imagine that certainly they would have targeted that game, you know, coming coming off the back of the Monster Championship straight away. I think with Galway, I mean I if I was a Galway supporter, I wouldn't be the least bit worried. I think Galway, it's experienced, they're just doing enough. I agree with you and I think they'll be they'll beat Tip Rary and they'll prime themselves then for for a short run for playing back to back if they can, you know.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Yeah, like like Tip have a um like good forward line there, like Imer McGrath, Brace O'Brien, you know, like they're good, like solid in fence thing as well. Like, but I just I do think Galway will just have too much for them. You know, and like I suppose the Munster Championship too, it does come look at league is just over, even um, I think like in the league finals around in the following weekend, you know, I remember like Waterford were playing Claire in Second Kids Park in you know in their semi-final, you know, and that's giving them into extra time, and then Waterford had to go out within the following weekend and play again. You know, and that's three games in a row, so like you know, but it still is a monster final like it. But you know, it is you know, maybe tip were that bit fresher, maybe because they weren't out in the league final the previous, or you know, like the two weekends before that. But yeah, look at it, it's it is hard to know they're close games, but definitely I think Cork and Galway, they're look at it's it's nearly habit at this stage. Like women just becomes a habit there. They're so seasoned and so used to being at the latter end of championships. So all the rest of those counties are just in Bisobum and hoping to be there and trying to fight for plays to get there.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

You look to Cork now, they've hit their championships. Maybe coming into the championship, the word not well known, but just we didn't know where the ward like because they'd obviously maybe had a poor league and beat by Tibberry and also the championship, and we weren't sure who was going to be available and who wasn't gonna be available. But obviously, between championships, like we have Amy Oconor back, and she was excellent against Tibra last year, like she just really got all sorts of problems. I think it was 11.6 per play or something, you know, and obviously having her back is a massive boost. And I don't know, Ashley Thompson still has some plenty. I don't know if she had I think she had an operation on her elbow, but I don't know if she would be back or not. But it's hard to get her back as well, like you know, the one to be formidable still, like, you know, because we have a lot of good at Hality players coming through. Like, you just have to look at ground three team this year. They were devastating, like you know, they're trying to three championship instead of fighting the final predictor. So they're still they're still a very strong outfit, and they're gonna be very hard to beat in, like I think, going forward in the rest of the championship.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

I think sunny weather, dry ball, dry pitch, cork. That's just what I used to think about them. I think they have such an array of talent. And yeah, I agree with you. I think at the beginning of the year, obviously there was a couple of players that had gone traveling and long-term injuries and that kind of thing. And they're probably trying to find, I suppose, a couple of you know, or placements for those. And I think maybe they they did find them. And as you say, like Amy O'Connor coming back. I mean, you know, she got a few minutes here and there, maybe in the Monster Champ towards the, you know, in the Monster Championship towards the latter end of the league, very carefully managed, I'd say, with the view to having her back now when it matters. And she's just, you know, she's just another string to their bowl, really. And I think they've probably found a couple of players that would, you know, slot in maybe in place of more seasoned players who who have gone who are not available for one reason or another this year. It can't be the pick. I mean, if Jonah said it earlier, you know, in Claire and say Minoffaly, you know, you've you've limited enough resources. It's not a problem in Cork, I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

So yeah, they're talking about like say such a changeover they have or the loss of players, but there are girls there who can just slot right in, you know, and there's girls there jumping at the bit to get in, like there's they've had good minors, minor teams there the last couple of years, you know, and that conveyor belt is always there. But but in saying that, like when you've got Amy O'Connor returning like that, like and she can just slot in, like, wouldn't cheapers, wouldn't you just love to have that? You know, in your own county, like they they just have the pick, like, you know, while like in Claire, like we're literally trying to uh find everyone that we can, and you know, one injury or or one person going away can can change things massively. But yeah, they just have uh a conveyor belt blowing cork. Let's find one of them here in Claire somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Yeah. I mean, the other thing with Amy as well is you know, you know, your yourself, like the morale and the boost that that gives to the to the rest of the team and the rest of the panel when she's there, you know, and when she's playing and when she's on fire. You know, the other forwards as well, then suddenly find that that they're gonna have an extra little inch or two of space because the opposition will come and saying, right, we've got to keep an eye on Amy, and it might free up, you know, an extra half second of space for the others. So there's a whole load of things that her return brings, not just maybe you know, six points from play, it's the impact I think on the whole team and having a seasoned winner and someone with that much class and that much ability. You know, I mean, players like her, chiefers, any any county would would want her. And when they're out, no matter how much talent you have, when they're out, they're missed. And it's the right time of the year now for her to be coming back.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

So just on the game, if I don't I think when the same, well, you're going with Galway and Cork to win at least or predict yes. Elena, you've said things in your space.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

I am, yeah, I am. I think I think Cork, yeah. I think Cork will will be will be will be too strong. I think Galway, I I think Galway are just doing enough. I really do. I think they're just timing their run. They've been down this road before a very experienced management team behind them, very experienced players. I know it might sound, and I don't think it's necessarily that they've been overconfident or anything. I think it's just it's the experience of, you know, let's let's get to this phase, the shortest route possible, and and then we've we've two games to win, you know, to really win Ireland. And I think that's that's probably an efficient way of looking at it. They probably have a more settled panels, more settled maybe than Cork, and maybe, you know, in terms of who they have, and maybe not the influx of maybe newer players or whatever. So I think they're fairly comfortable in their own skin that they'll once it comes, it'll just be like it'll be like putting on a glove, they'll, you know, they'll they'll start seamlessly back together again.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

I don't have to go through the thing, so I won't be too long. But just get predictions for the group two games as well. Like start from both of you, start with uh obviously your own county awfully player game. I I get you for three.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

No, awfully, awfully, easily, like easily.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

I know yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Well, I'm gonna go for awfully anyway, naturally enough. Look at it, I listen, it is a hard ask, but um I I don't know. There was great, um, it was a bit heartening the performance the last day. Really, really felt they were really, really a team together. And they probably just needed a bit of confidence, had a hard league, had a hard Lincoln Championship, got the win then against Wexford, got the win obviously last last weekend against Dublin, which was probably very unexpected. Look, Claire are still on nine points, have been at this level a bit longer. So, I mean, if you were if you were going logically, I suppose you'd probably say maybe maybe Claire, but sure. I'm gonna let my my my head be ruled by my heart anyway, this this week, I'm afraid.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

I think we'd have to bring out the violin there anyway. Like awfully were very good last weekend against Dublin, and like Dublin are you know, like they're even like they're physically, you know, like that game would have taken a lot out of the bodies. But like awfully are young, like very young, like they'll bounce back six days, they're good to go again, no problem. I would, as you know, as a Claire player, I would be very cautious. You know, I definitely wouldn't be going up to going to bird thinking, bro, look at another game, grand job, let's just do do it and get on with it. I think it's not gonna be a pushover game whatsoever. It's and I think it'll be really tight, but I'm back in the Claire Gards, and but it it's there's they will be made work for it every every minute of it. It'll be close and look at if it's if it's one point, grand job, like you know, if it's two or three, even better. But I I think Claire should be able to get over the line. I want them to get over the line, and not just to get over the line, I want them to come away with a solid performance because you can't just be scraping over the line and then suddenly you're gonna have to really f going on cylinders and following again. But they can't be thinking about two against nine, they cannot look past Saturday and because it's it is a massive game for Claire. Like this it the table is so tight there, before they know it, Claire could be down there sitting in third or fourth position, and you know it's gonna be tough, but I I'm going by Claire Wayne anyway. Three points.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Three points, move on, move on then.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

I suppose to Kinley Wexford, I suppose look Kinney probably favoured favorite, especially if they go uh strong, maybe you'd expect Kinney to be able to get the job there done. Because look, Wexford just it hasn't gone nice for them. I know it said we said close games, but just it seems to be coming out the wrong end. And to Kinney are just flying form at the moment, like and if they go anywhere strong, you don't really expect them to have too much for Wexford in that one.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Yeah, I think so, yeah. I do. Yeah, I think they'll want to keep up the momentum.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Yeah, and even if I even if they do change their starting 15, whoever is getting the starting 15 jersey is going to want to prove a point to management and put their hand up to look at pick me for the quarterfinal. So they're gonna show no mercy to Wexford. I wish Wexford the best of luck.

SPEAKER_02 38:04

The other game, the final game, Dublin Limerick. I suppose the hard one to call that one as well. Like that's Limerick. I said earlier on, I think I said Dublin were home, but it's actually Limerick at all home. So then a lean in a lean though, like maybe home advantage could help Limerick. Like in I said Limerick, if they were to win and clear off you were to be clear, you know, they're all the three points. It could they could get two to a quarter final like so. But they'd be ch they would be up for like and it'll be good. But on the other hand, Dublin also, but Godin have to win anyway to have any chance, I suppose, getting a really hole. Just get your quick predictions in that one.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

I'm gonna go with I think Limerick will will bring the win. Ashley Mare, you know, didn't play the last day, you know, knee heavily strapped. You know, that doesn't really look good for this weekend. I think Limerick are gonna want to put them, throw their name in the hat for a quarter final. And they'll go all guns players into uh to get the win. So I'm gonna go with Limerick.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Yeah, I'd probably just about go with Limerick as well. And I think, you know, this probably is you were talking, you know, Joe about Limerick kind of been around for a good few years now, and you know, maybe could they potentially be your your next wall for breaking up into that or you know, into that top four or five. I think if they have ambition to do that, this is an absolute must-win game. They may not even get through, depending on the off-field care game. You know, care may get through in the end, Limit may not get through. But I think it's these types of games that for Limbick now, they kind of just need to go out and try and win. They're at home, Dublin will be coming off, Dublin will be hurting, that's the thing. So it's it's a it's a tricky game, but I like I think you know, if maybe this is a chance for them to make a statement, you know, and then see what happens in bar, and then they could end up going through and you know, uh, and that would be real bonus territory for them. So I think the worst thing you can do in these situations when when you're relying on another team is to kind of, you know, be thinking too much about what might happen in the other match and take it right after one match. I mean, you can't go out, win. After that, then they come in, they check what's gonna happen. But sometimes what happens is you you you end up leading a favor off someone else, and that team comes up with the favor, but you don't do your business. So like that game could have draw screaming all over it as well, you know, and then that's kind of no good to anyone, really. Um, you know, it's a that that's a possibility too. But I suppose to be honest at that, just go with limit based on home advantage, I think.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Yeah, and I like I like the fact that you know all games are thrown in at half three. I think that's it's good. It's uh adds to the excitement.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

Yeah, so keep it out, we keep it have the radios on it for the function across the board. But Lynn, I know you've got the most though. I'll let you go there now and uh like you look at clear. I'd say goodbye. Thanks, Joe. Uh thanks for keeping up in sure. We'll have the always miss upstairs, hopefully. Thanks for coming on. Thanks, bye-bye. Just clear. Look, I suppose even going back to last year, like getting to a quarter final, like and bring them off for extra time and same in Munster this year, like winning the league this year. It's kind of things are going well there so far this year. I know maybe there was a bit of a setback against Kikini, but like overall it's been going really well there of Ray Down. Seems to be pushing in the right direction.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Like, yeah, like they have been going really well. And like performances playing playing nice brand under hurling. I suppose Kilkenny game that last day I just found was a bit uncharacteristic. You know, there was a lot of ball not going to hand directly, you know, a lot of spilled ball. You know, and look, I think when you're you're playing bigger teams like that, you need to be able to get primary possession and be gone with it. If you take that split second trying to get a ball that you've just dropped or pick it and go again, like the Kilkenny girls in in Tokya. But Claire, they've been going really well, they've made great progress in the last 12 months. You know, getting the league win was fantastic. And you know, that Munster semi-final against Waterford, they you know, they played really well. I think Waterford were a little bit shocked on the day as well. Nearly weren't accepting that Clare fight. And I suppose Clare were nearly should have had it won. Um Waterford dragged it, dragged it into extra time. I suppose well actually Claire, Claire really got a last-minute score to bring it to extra time, but nearly should have had it won at the in normal time, only for you know, Waterford snuck ahead by four, three or four points near the end. You know, it was a really exciting game. And I was in at it, and you know, there was some good hurting in it. But yeah, look, I think Claire definitely look at the loss of Laura Mack in their foot forward, you know. I think that has been felt. But look at it's up to the other girls now to stand up and be counted. Even, you know, Danielle Griffin the last day, you know, she's the massive, you know, she's a massive workhorse there on the middle of the field, always coming out with rocks, good deliveries. But in saying that, Queebe Carmody came in, made some nice runs. Maybe probably needs to, well, you know, I'd love to see her do a little bit more of it. Um I thought she did really well coming in. So look at yeah, I just hope even come or Saturday now against Officer that the performance is there. Um, and I know look at Eugene Foodie and his team, backroom team, like they'll all be, you know, prepping the girls this week, just trying to get back into you know their rhythm and trying to get ready again for the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

And like if you said, honestly, Norna, I'm gonna apologize for now, actually. I think the call of I can't last week in the last week's podcast. So apologies for that, Lorna. I think I got the name wrong, so I must my head wasn't. I'm not great. I remember names sometimes names wrong. I do it a lot. So, but yeah, like but else you meant to even ask doing it. She scored one three like in a football. So, like, there is it's not and like obviously losing Daniel at the start of the game, but you mentioned Queen, she caught she got two points as well when she came on and you'd say she did it, she had a decent game, like. So there's just a bit of depth there as well that the squad back when you look at some of the down that to the bench line as well. I saw yeah, it's gonna go base. But like if the work to lose to Oscar maybe to begin and did lose out, I mean again two quarter final, how big of a setback would that be to them to clear clogging? Like that's that's the progress they have met.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

Yeah, like I think if look at if if that is what materializes, you know, come Saturday evening, there's no doubt about it, like every single person inside in that dressing room will be devastated, you know, because they have put in an amount of work. You know, there's been massive commitment there from the players and the management and all involved. You know, I think you know, you know, upon reflection, they'll say, look, we had a really good league campaign, we had good victories at the start of the championship, but uh you know, at the end of the day, you'll be uh you'll be you'll be sitting in the dressing room there on the back of two losses. And you know, I suppose they'll if that is the case and that's what happens, they'll you know, they'll just nearly be trying to remind themselves, like, look at we had a good year, it was good league, we got some wins, and and just try and improve again in it next year. But look at they were at a quarter final stage there last year, so they'll say to her they'll say to themselves, look at we don't want to be in that position, we want uh you know, fully focused, going out now Saturday against Offaly, not take them for granted, you know, travel it up, you know. Look at we've done what the weather would be like, ground will be hard anyway, that's for sure. It'll be a fast game. You know, and I do think even the last day look at the Claire scored 1-8, probably found it that bit harder to get scores. Maybe that's coming from Kiltenia having the extra player defense, but I think if Claire goes back to 15 on 15, you know, they should be able to uh have more of a scoring threat. So fingers crossed anyway.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

So like on your set just yourself, Jack. Do you miss like playing the comfort book? You know, you've been tired now a few years now ago. Do you miss it at all?

SPEAKER_00 46:07

I've just like to be out there playing baby just one on that clear jersey, like look, and I suppose you'd you definitely when I when I was wearing the Claire jersey, I enjoyed my time in it. I suppose everyone kind of comes to a point where you I suppose I I'm happy for the girls who are playing, I'm happy for my my club mates. I'm very happy just to go and watch them. And I know I'm pushing on, I know I've plenty of injuries, so I know I just wouldn't be up to the up to the task of playing county. So I'm very happy in the position that I'm in, and I'm very happy that I uh, you know, stopped when I did, let's say. You know, count like it's like look at county pomoggy is is it's great stuff, you know, the bonnet they make there with girls from other clubs, you know, and two months time then we'll all be trying to take scalps off each other, come come around club championship. And there's you know, there's enjoyment in that. And you know, you you know, you shake hands and you say best luck at the start of the game, and you'll shake hands and say, look at well done or whatever, uh at the end of your club games. But no, like there's a good, good crew there from Ina Kilimona in with Eugene Foodie and look at Jason McCarthy there is involved in the background team as well, both Aina Kilomona. So look at I suppose we two. I I'm just hanging on to just about playing club championship now. Um maybe I don't even know if I'll maybe last year I could have seen the end of that. I haven't done anything this year now. So look at we'll we'll see. Injuries have to be sorted.

SPEAKER_02 47:48

I suppose your club like I want, you've had a lot good run in recent years. Like I know you won the Claire team championship last year as well. Like, and like you won an All Ireland junior club, was it 2012, 2013, something like that, or sometime anyway? It was 2008, I can't remember when it won to junior club, like club. You already had come on like and you've gone great on the spot there now once. So you must be must be really great at Buzz in the club and how it's won and all that. Like you went the other seven two won the clear team as well, like so at the club.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

Yeah, we would have won the Junior All Ireland Club with Aina in 2012, I think it was. 2011 maybe, and then Aina Kilimona, I suppose there would have been two clubs in the parish. So then Ina Kilimona Kamogi Club was formed then in in the following year. You know, when we would have gone up then to senior, and it probably took us maybe four years, three or four years. Kind of we contested club semi-finals and then finally made the breakthrough. I think thought I'm not great at my dates now, but maybe 2016 was when we won our first club championship, you know. And you the likes of Claire Hecher and Dre O'Keefe, who are playing on your counter team now, they would have been on that club team, they would have been probably 16, 17 years of age, you know. We were incredibly young at the time. I suppose one, three in a row, and then we won again then. I suppose, yes, we won last year, but before that was 2020, was our previous one. Look, it and like no, like with like most clubs in the county and across the country, you know, we've had a good turnover in girls, you know, going to Australia or people who have retired. Um so like I suppose in 23 it was great to get back to a county final. True Planara beat us that that year. But I suppose last year then ourselves in Trio Planara went all the way to extra time. You know, so like there's there's a great, we're talking about conveyor belts there earlier. There's a good conveyor belt still coming through in Ina Kilimona, you know, our underage are going really well. So look at the future looks looks bright. So I might play my little bit of club code, you know, but I'll I'll focus on uh trying to uh review the next the next generation and try and upskill them and keep tipping away at the coaching for now.

SPEAKER_02 50:08

Yeah. And just one more thing to say to you before I let you go. If I kind of mentioned it already, like we were talking about Cork and like the big pick they have, and you know, strong teams are even going now. And like you have like Claire, maybe going to have it a bit, it's not it's you know, going well at one moment, and even more if like they're not traditionally you know one of the big countries, but you hope teams like that, and you're you're kind of hoping for maybe some of the lesser teams to make the breakthrough. But they could have a team like you know, like Claire, maybe Warford, but I suppose it's to keep producing it over a long number of years, I suppose, and not maybe just come up for a few years and then drop off again. I suppose that's the key, I suppose, for a lot of countries. Like, it's how is it possible to get that done though? Because like you see the extra corporate go, it to have such a big pick, like you know, even Tipperary baby tools set now. If they have such a big pick, like if they have the numbers and they have all this and maybe more money as well. Like, and so it is hard like for the smaller countries not to regularly I suppose stay up there. Do you think there's other like how can it be fixed? Like, or do you have any ideas? Like, I know it's a hard question. You probably can't, it's not easy to just answer it like that, but what do you think is the best way maybe of trying to sort of like so that there's more competitive teams at the top level?

SPEAKER_00 51:20

Yeah, like it's it's it's not easy, but um I definitely like think like even changing the structure has definitely helped, like, you know, if you're you've got you want to give you counties competitive matches, you know, and you don't want big length-like victories, you know, in round one, round two, you know, because that for a count for I suppose you're a weaker county that does, you know, it can be demoralizing. I think I like the way the structure is, and I know I mentioned it earlier, like at least you're given, I suppose, counties of maybe similar abilities, you know, you're giving them competitive matches, and the only way that you will improve is by playing those games and trying to prepare yourself to play against suppose your your bigger counties then or your your group one counties, you know, and I suppose look at breeding, like success brings like it's a it's a habit, and um you know, if you can get even one victory, or whether it's if it's a provincial title, you know, like look at like look at Wexford, for example, like they would have won their their the provincial title, but you know, their championship hasn't gone, but they'll they'll they'll try and build on that again next year, no matter look at whether they're in in senior or intermediate, wherever they end up. But like I think for the the smaller counties like your Limerick, your Claire are awfully I think like competitive games against each other, and then to try and bridge the gap. And you can see there at Lkenny are that bit ahead bit ahead in group two, but you know, maybe for 40, you know, maybe for 45 minutes counties are there, they're with them. And you know, that's what's going to prepare you when it comes to playing the bigger teams. But how do you get there and stay there? I think uh that's someone has the magic answer to that somewhere, but I'm afraid not with Claire at the minute.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

And look, just before we go, I'll just go through the rest of the flicks here around this again. Just in the Premier Junior round four on Saturday, Armad take on Ross Common, also a half three, or no, half three, sorry, and then also have three. Calair take on Michael Newbridge and Calvin take on Tyrone. While in the junior championship, the semi-finals are on at the beginning, but on the two-top, now take on Mayo and Monet and take on Donegal. But that's the junior semi-finals. Like, and look, I suppose you mentioned that their success, like it seems like Cesar Loud Mayo, Monet and Donegal in the junior championship. If whoever wins that, like, you know, the maybe young girls in the county would think that the winning in all Ireland, like, and it might get them interested. And you know, that's how that's one way, I suppose, of starting it, like, you know, getting young people involved in it from a young age, like, and wanting to play commodity, like I suppose, and having you know, heroes within their own county to look up to.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

Yeah, exactly. Like, even like you take any of those counties, you know, when they get to, you know, or if they do get to All Ireland fine on day, like you all have busloads of, you know, young girls coming from all different clubs within that county, you know. I mean, they're there and they see like they're, you know, maybe someone that they know from their club is out there representing and playing playing in Grove Park, like that brings that brings about a a buzz, and you have to suppose it's it's it's like a wave, and you have to be able to ride the crest of that wave and to try and promote the sport within your county as much as possible after a victory. Like even when Claire won the league, you know, the importance of getting that League Cup around the county, you know, bringing it to club training to your to your 11s, your 12-year-olds, your six and eight-year-olds, you know, for them to see that cup and to get to know the faces of the county players, I think that brings, you know, that's the only thing that can fuel the next generation. So look at fingers crossed anyway for Clay.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

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SPEAKER_00 56:06

Thanks very much for having me. Thanks a million.

SPEAKER_02 56:11

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