Episode 13: All-Ireland Quarter Finals Preview

In this week's episode I'm joined by Elaine Dermody, Tara Power, Fiona Lafferty and Geraldine Kinane to look ahead to an exciting weekend of Camogie, as the knockout stages get underway in the All-Ireland Senior and Intermediate championships. We also have a selection of interviews from Cliodhna Ni Mhianin (Derry), Leah Devine (Meath), Aimée Cillier (Laois), Laura Murphy (Kilkenny), orla Hickey (Waterford), Karin Blair (Tipperary), Abby Walsh (Clare) from Monday's launch of the Quarter Finals in Croke Park.

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

Hi, and you're very welcome back to the Talk of Kogi podcast. And this week's episode proof preview in the All Ireland Senior Championship quarterfinals coming up this weekend between on Saturday game between Waterfall and Tlitchini and then on Sunday Tipperary and Claire. And I'm joined this week by former Klikini player Elaine Edward, former Claire player Fiona Lefferty, and former Waterford player Tara Power. And later on in the episode, I'll be joined by former Tipperary player Gerald Incanan. I'll be interviewing her. She's not available at the moment of recording, so I'll be interviewing her later on, and you can hear from that later on. So Fiona Tara, Elaine, you're very welcome to the pod. Look, I suppose B again for on your account, you've supposed to come up like Elaine Klikinney coming into the quarter final on the back of a strong showing in the group stage of winning all five of their games. But a tough game, obviously, coming up against Waterford on Saturday.

SPEAKER_08 0:53

Yeah, I suppose that's where they'll really know where they're at. You know what they have going to be in standout performances at second group for most of the campaign. And it's probably the way a lot of people would have seen it panning out, you know, desperately unlucky, I suppose, and they'll probably have used that as a bit of motivation themselves, I'm sure, not to be in that first group. You know, they only barely lost out to tip on that controversial score last year with the the Quiva Karmorta goal that wasn't, and then Claude Maker's goal at the far side. So I know, you know, Kilkenny probably would have seen themselves in that top four for a long number of years, and they'll have been disappointed not to be included in it. But look, it I'd say it has provided a huge amount of motivation for them. And they've been really, really consistent. Look, I think the league was probably good to them. They got what they needed out of the league. They got some good performances. Unlucky not to make a league final, just missing out on scoring differences. I think the Leinster campaign, the defeat to Wexford, probably down in Wexford Park, probably gave them a shot in the arm. They probably realize maybe they had a bit more work to do than they had done at that stage. But look, they hit the ground running in the championship. And as you said, five wins from five, been really clinical in front of goal. I think they've an average of three goals a game, racking up good scores in goals-wise. I'd be a little bit concerned for maybe on the points-wise, you know, they've, you know, 14, 15 points maybe. But I think to be beaten a top four team, you probably need to be hitting the high teams and the points. I don't think you'll get three goals against the likes of Altford at the weekend or a tip or Galway or a Cork. So I think you probably need to be racking up the points a little bit more. But look, huge momentum, as I said, and it's probably one of the benefits of being in that group is that they've got the five wins and now they're coming in on the back of another win last weekend to having taking care of Wexford with kind of a makeshift team enough. You know, they had 11 changes from the week before. So the job was done. They just had to get the the points on the board. And I think they'll be really looking forward to another shot at Waterford. Waterford had have had the upper hand on them for the last couple of years, maybe the last year or two. So I think they'll take it. Look, there's nothing to lose. I think they'll have a very good shot at it, and I think they'll be confident coming into it.

SPEAKER_05 2:38

Yeah, and look perilous for Waterford. They come back in on tobacco two defeats, I suppose, against Bowen Park after being to be in the first game. So I don't know, it didn't really matter too much, I suppose, how didn't have to win the word win, win them again. But now obviously this one now is it's all or not in this game. So they'll probably up, they'd have to up their performance at both levels as well, just coming into this game against the killing.

SPEAKER_07 3:02

Yeah, definitely. Like do you know it's knockout now, and they probably did have that little fallback knowing that they were safe to qualify into a quarter final regardless of results. And they probably still would have been disappointed with the results against Galway and Cork. I know against Cork just this weekend gone, there was kind of a fluky goal kind of got in over Brianna with the bounce on the field. It wasn't the be-all and end all. They still lost by six in total, but just things like that kind of just game management coming into the end of games and and wides and drop shorts and stuff kind of got the better of them. So hopefully, with a bit of learning now, they'll go in against Kilkenny, come out a little bit stronger and kind of manage the game a little bit better. Like Elaine was saying, you know, we have been kind of getting the better of Kilkenny just in the last year or so. But previous to that, we hadn't beaten Kilkenny. The first time we got a result was actually a draw. I think that was two years ago, a draw in the group stages of the championship was the first result, other than a loss that we've gotten in them. So, like we kind of want to keep the momentum going and keep the wins tipping over. Obviously, with knockout here at their goal is going to be to get to a semi-final. So hopefully a little bit of an improvement in performance going into the weekend.

SPEAKER_05 4:08

And you mentioned it there about wides and earlier. Particularly the Galloway game, second half, the hit six or seven wides, you know, who are scorable chances. Like, you know what, if they hadn't even got half them, they might have got a result of that game. And even in the first half against Cork, they hit maybe a few bad wide as well. Uh, you know, and playing the likes of Cork and Galloway, you kind of have to be uh more accurate there. That's against Ellis. They won't have any chance of getting a victory over them.

SPEAKER_07 4:32

Yeah, maybe a bit of discipline. Like I know in the first half against Cork they were playing into what looked like a strong enough wind. I wasn't at it, but girls were dropping shots short like inside the 45. So they probably needed to just play one more pass and try and get the smart score rather than trying to take a pot shot. They actually had probably more than half of the possession for that first half, and they kind of wasted a few opportunities with about three or four drop shorts in the first half, and it probably the same again in wides as well. Um, and they had the they were on the front foot and they were getting the scoring opportunities, they just weren't converting them. And Cork, like I think Jeremy Manley actually said at the end of the game, Cork scored eight, I think, in the second half to Waterford's four. So that was the the difference in the game. So I think it is just being composed, being disciplined, and and taking their chances, the smart chances when they come.

SPEAKER_05 5:19

Yeah, and Fiona, on to you now. Look, Claire confirmed their place in the quarterfinal with one 16 points to one a victory over Offley on Saturday. I thought they were very impressive in that win, especially their half back line. You know, I thought they dominated there and just kept the off league forward very quiet. Just get your opinion on that game and how it seems how clear the confidence there might be in the squad now going into the quarterfinal against the prayer on Sunday.

SPEAKER_09 5:43

Yeah, I definitely think the half backline there, if Abby Abby Walsh sent her back, and you've got Claire Herger and Melinda Daly was back there, you know, either side of her, and those three girls are well used to playing with each other. It's you know, it is a good launch pad to try and push forward. Um, it is nice to see. I like to see Abby and and Claire push forward. Um, like definitely, I think, even in the just the game management, you know, played against a strong breeze in the first half, and then just being able, I suppose, to I was kind of impressed with their composure, just being able to see out the game. You know, because you can say, look at uh run out now, second half, we have the wind with us, but you know, you still have to go out and perform. It's nice to see subs come on there, like Maeve Millet came on, uh, Anya Laughlin came on as well, chipped in with scores. It was nice just to go and get the job done. And it wasn't just scraping over the line like with a one or two-point win, you know. It was nice to get a five-point win, but uh look at I suppose the I I'd be concerned about the lack of goals. And I think against Hipperary now at the weekend, you know, look at Elaine mentioned there how Kilkenny are on average shooting in three three goals a game. I think Claire need to are going well, not need to, I think they're going to have to to bring that threat. Like they had 16 points with the weekend, like it's good scoring up into the teams, but definitely I think we're going to need going to need some goals to liven up Grove Park anyway.

SPEAKER_05 7:12

And just go back to the look, the Waterford Waterford could clean the game on Saturday. Because Waterford now looked how did we miss a new rocket after she was sent off late on against Park for a straight right card. And look, she just came back from injury after coming on as well. She'd be a massive loss for Waterford at that going into that game, and she could be could be a key factor now having her available.

SPEAKER_07 7:34

Yeah, definitely. Look, they were they're after playing a couple of games now. Obviously, she came on at the end of the the court game, but they they kind of have to adapt as well. They can't rely on on those big names anymore. So they they've gotten their chance with uh with their missing a game as well, just to try and refocus and see who who comes in and who takes the spot. And there is plenty of girls on the the bench for the last couple of years that have been kind of kind of ready to go and and biting to go at it. And those girls get their chance now, and and that's what it's about. It's it it can't be about focusing on the that one big player the whole time. You have to you make your team and you play as a team, and and that has to be the focus going into a quarter final.

SPEAKER_09 8:13

I think like um, you know, Waterford, like they've lost to Galway, lost to Cork. I think you know, it can be difficult to suddenly turn on the switch. You know, it's it's not that easy in comparison to Kilkenny, like they they're bringing momentum with them, you know, five wins. You know, I don't think Waterford are going to have it too easy at the weekend at all. I think Kilkenny are going to be have a little bit of vengeance in them, and and you know, they weren't in that group one, and that has to be a driving force for Kilkenny, and you know, it's gonna be in a close game. But like I think Waterford might be in for a little bit of a surprise and a tough one, I think. Yeah, I think you've got Cork.

SPEAKER_08 8:55

I was leaving Cork on Sunday evening, and I just thought like I'd much prefer to be Kilkenny and Claire now heading into training on Tuesday evening rather than be Waterford and Tip, you know, coming in on the back of a defeat. Like for Tip, it's been three defeats, I suppose. For Waterford, it was kind of you know, they heard well for probably 40 minutes down in Parking Ring the other day, and then they kind of fell apart for 20, and Cork really took over. So it was kind of a downer, and then the Neve Rocket sending off. So you can really feel the air go out their sails a little bit leaving Parky Peef. So a week is a short time, or five days is a short time to pick yourself back up again. I mean, you're not going to do a whole lot of training, a lot of it is going to be in the mine this week for the likes of Chip and Waterford. Whereas you know, Claire and Klikkenny had two good wins again the weekend and coming in on huge momentum. So I do think it's going to be a big week for for Claire and Waterford to try and get the heads right as much as anything else.

SPEAKER_05 9:39

And like coming into you said like the new format, obviously, this year. I just know that all the group games have been played like, and we've seen the group format. I just get your opinions on what you think of the format now after the group games have been finished, like the new format, and how it has affected the teams. Maybe maybe the group two teams probably have got more benefit out of it really than the group one teams, like in a way, because there was nothing really to lose for the group one team, no matter regardless of how it got. But for the group two teams, you know, every game was kind of a must-win game, and there'd be probably more battle hardened, like and to have more wins coming in and more momentum coming in from into the quarterfinals.

SPEAKER_09 10:17

Yeah, I definitely think in group two, anyway, like the definitely more games, but I suppose looking at it right now and looking into the weekend, I wouldn't I wouldn't say that it has been an advantage to Claire because we're now going out in the third week, third weekend in a row. You know, and that's that will take a toll on the body. Like, you know, on one hand you can say look at in the Claire Tip game, you can say, Look at Tip have you know, they've lost three games and they're still in a quarter final, which on paper doesn't seem very fair, where you've had Claire have had to go away and play five games. You know, so like looking at it just solely on that point alone, like Tip should be fresher. You could argue Claire had momentum, but you know, three weekends in a row is not easy. Two, you might say, okay, look at all right, but like a third one I just think is a will be a tough ask, especially on you know, group two counties are probably deemed a little bit weaker, Barkle Kenny maybe, but um you know, I think I think that is that that will be a factor. You can't ignore it and say that it won't. I definitely think it will be a factor. But look at they have enjoyed the games, I'm sure, and it's you know, any player nearly prefers to be playing out going out playing matches than turning around for another weekend of training. So look at there's two sides to it, but I suppose solely from a clearest perspective in the position that we're in right now. It is a tough ask on the girls, but look at I'm sure they're going to relish the opportunity.

SPEAKER_07 11:49

Just coming from say the opposite end, then kind of obviously an argument for both sides. Waterford probably would have liked the opportunity to play what is considered the top three teams from the previous year, when in in previous years we're kind of getting drawn with maybe the like Sylvantrum, and and it's a long away trick, but it's uh what's deemed a weaker team. So like you're you're playing more games, but the actual the kind of the benefits you're getting out of it is maybe lesser. The score differences are usually bigger. Um, and obviously you are if you're playing more games, you're getting more time into girls' legs, but it's not necessarily better quality games all of the time. And I know that from group two, some of the score lines were kind of big margins and stuff like that. So I think it was a benefit to Waterford to be able to meet the the other three from the top four and see what's what. Obviously, not everybody is showing their their full deck at that time, but it's still tougher games kind of preparing you for knockout camoe, but at the same time not having to play five games is probably a chance for recovery and stuff like that, which is probably something Waterford's been missing for the last few years. But in that, maybe be maybe not enough games to fully get the best out of your team then as well. So there's probably a little bit of balance between between the two.

SPEAKER_08 13:08

Yeah, like I think the real benefit the real benefactors of it are probably the likes of Limerick and Offley, who I think have really benefited from it. You know, in previous years, they could have been drawn in a group with the likes of maybe a cork, a Galloway, and a tip, and suddenly their season is kind of over before it even starts. And look, that was probably, I would imagine, some of the thinking behind the separate groups in that they need to make the likes of Claire or the Offalys and the Limerick's competitive and keep them at senior level and allow them to develop at that level, which, like if you look at the group scorelines last year, like Cork were beating teams by 27 points, 30 points last year, like it was doing nobody any good. As I said, Claire or Limerick and Offley's championships would have been over before they started. So I think they have been the real benefactors. Now, look, obviously, Dublin and Wexford have kind of been in total anomaly this year. Early in the year, you then not the two teams you would have put at the bottom of that group. So I suppose it just shows that the bit of momentum that Limerick and Offley were able to get or allowed them to be two good traditional senior teams in Wexford and um and Wexford and Dublin, sorry. And then I suppose on the other hand, then as Fiona said, you know, you do have the likes of Kilkenny and Clare now coming in with a lot of mileage on the legs. You know, I know Claire picked up a lot of injuries along the way as well. So, you know, that won't have helped them. They probably would have liked the opportunity to be able to rest up with Garler 2 during some of those games that they have. So I think there's probably a happy medium. Like I maybe seeding the top four teams from last year, but I think two groups of five is probably the way to go. I think everyone should probably have an equal amount of games coming into either a quarter final or a semi-final, and that gives everyone, I think, a fairer opportunity. As you said, like the top teams, yeah, they're getting good quality games, but they've had a break. It's been a a game on a week, a game on a week. So they've had more of a break, and I suppose they've allowed maybe to time their run a little bit better, whereas the teams in group two have more or less had to go out and win every weekend. And as Fiona said, it's been three weekends on a row. And I suppose you don't want to be coming into championship knockout camooge for the third week in a row, even to have a week after your last group game, a bit of a break, if rest the bodies again and then get going again for knockout camoe. So it has been tiring that way, I'd imagine, and on management and trying to manage the load and stuff. So look, it's been good in some ways. As I say, I think Claire or Limerick and Offley are probably the two real benefactors of it, and you'd hope that they can build on that now for next year, regardless of the structure, but that they drive on a bit at senior level next year as well and aim for one of those quarter final spots. But I think probably two groups of five is probably what my preferred option would be. I'd like to see everyone with the same amount of games, gives them everyone the same opportunity.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

Yeah, and just on the towards the championship, maybe from the Tipperary Waterford point of view. Like obviously Waterford by Tipperary in the first game, but then a boat loss to Cork and Gaway. But do you reckon maybe they were just holding back a little bit in the group stage against Cork and Garway because you know, and trying to build for if they get to an all-in-the-final game to overcome the final with them again, and maybe have a real goal at Cork and Gawain semi-final because you know it's probably hard enough to meet Cork and Gawain once in the championship, not beat without being a toy style. So maybe they're just because of the way the group was, they're holding back maybe a little bit in the group stage, and they're really going to go for it now from the knockout stages on, or was it just yeah?

SPEAKER_09 16:02

You kind of wonder, like I suppose, oh, the four or four teams in group one, like they all had that safety net there, knowing that they were going to be in a quarter final regardless of what the results were going to be. Now you wouldn't know, or some of the management teams, a few mind games there, or you know, if you've got a girl with a nigga, you can say, Well, look at let's let's rest this today because we know that we're definitely going to need you come, you know, quarter final stage. So look at you don't know what way like management are thinking, or they're going to say, Look, it would try out this player or that girl. Um so yeah, look at, I don't know, you you've just your your group one had the safety net, and I think now your your Kilkenny and Claire are, you know, like Lane said, like they have to go out every single game and they have to win it, which does. And if you've got a girl there in the Claire team or Kilkenny team who's got an eagle, you're kind of saying, well, look at, we'll see if we can get 15 minutes out of you, and then see what way the game is going. You know, and that that will could or will could or maybe will be the difference come this weekend.

SPEAKER_07 17:06

Another thing as well, the there's three to four weeks off now, isn't there, before the semi-finals. So why does the quarters have to be played directly after the group stages? There could have been even just a week off where girls would have had kind of two weeks of training to roll into the next weekend and chances for those kind of smaller niggles to recover with still a gap between the quarters and the semis, then it kind of seems rushed to push them out to get them. Maybe it's fixtures kind of scheduling with Croak Parker or whatever, but it just seems like it's kind of to have them with the Harlem semi-finals.

SPEAKER_08 17:38

I think that's the idea of it, which when you have the extra game, then in group two obviously pushes the group stages out further. So if you had five and five teams, you'd have had the extra week that way. I think that's the the the fixtures thing is to have it with the Harlem semis.

SPEAKER_09 17:51

Yeah, and even if you roll if you roll back the start of the first round, you're back in on top of your provincial championships. So look, it is. And even at that, like the the league final was one weekend, and then the provincial they played the following weekend thread after that. So I get I do I do guess, you know, or I do understand where you know this all the games, and maybe it goes back to maybe two groups of five, which will be more fair, and then it also you know it frees up a weekend there as well.

SPEAKER_05 18:20

Elena, just get to Kinney so far this year, like this was the league maybe a bit at this point with an end obviously losing to Expert and Leinster and coming into the All-Ireland, like, but they've really opted, as we said already, in the All Ireland Championship. And you know, you have the likes of like if you've thrown out Steffi Fister, you know, Sarah Barcall, Ethan Pendergast, Kiva Caramurta, and Ashworth Harding will be very impressed with. No, but they're really seem to be coming on strong now. And you know, they'll definitely, as we said already, fancy their chances like coming into this quarter final. But just get your opinion on their years so far, like altogether and where Kikili maybe are at the moment.

SPEAKER_08 18:55

And yeah, I suppose new management team and a good turnover of girls from last we lost some big names. But I suppose a lot of the girls that you named there, the likes of Steffi Fitz and Nasha McCarty, you know, Quebec Martas, they've had a couple of years on the panel, maybe not like main players, but they've had a bit of experience, I suppose, at that level. And I think that counts then once you get up to your son able for the pitch of it. When you get to it, you know what's expected of you. And you think it becomes a little bit easier maybe to be a leader. And they certainly have had leaders and good scoregetters, but they've been tight at the back as well, which has been really impressive. I think they've got a lot of their matches up really, really good. You know, Ava Brett's gone in there at cornerback, she's picked up a lot of the danger forwards from the opposition and she's done a really, really good job on them. I think a lot of technology forwards will probably thrive on the open space to Crowe Park. You know, they used the league really well, I thought. You know, they got some good game time into a lot of players, they saw a lot of players, probably found the best positions for players. You know, they had a lot. Queaver Carmarton would have been in the full forward line for a lot of last year. She's now moved out to centre forward for a while, out to midfield. So I think, you know, a new management team probably had their own ways about things, their own ideas on things, and I think that's what they used the league for. Now they had some really good wins in the league, you know, probably disappointed finished. And as I said, they only missed out on a spot in the league final down to score indifference. So, you know, I think they would have liked a cut at that. I think the Leinster Championship, the defeat to Wexford was a really shot in the arm to him. I think that kind of shook them a bit and made them realise that maybe they weren't at the pitch of look, and we see where Wexford are now, haven't beaten them. So I think that was a real wake-up call for Kilkenny. But I think they knew their path to the to the All-Ireland series. You know, they probably knew that they were favourites to top that group and could lay out the plans that they wanted to go, but the teams, the fixtures. They knew they had their week off before they meet Metclayer, who I they probably thought would be, you know, vying for that top spot with them. And they used that really, really well. And look, I think when they've had to, they've been able to really, really put teams to the sword. As I said, they've been really clinical in front of goal. You have a speedy full forward line, they are you know well able to get goals. As I said, I think it's three on average a game. I don't think they'll get three on Saturday. I don't think coming into the knock-out stages, if you look at the scores for the last couple of years for quarterfinals and semi-finals, you're looking at 118, 120, 121. So I think they'll probably need to shoot a few more points. Now, one thing I think that will be encouraging for them, and maybe something Waterford will need to address this week, is the free concession. You know, Waterbacks failed an awful lot on Sunday against Gork and gave Amy O'Connor a chance of some really, really handy scores. She didn't even have to work for them. Some of them were really, really easy frees that they gave away. And similarly, when these when Kilkenny and Water met in the league earlier in the year, I think I for Pendergast scored 12 out of 14 points from freeze on the day. So I think Water need to be really, really disciplined. Efer Pendergast is an unbelievable free taker. You look, every team has an unbelievable free taker at this level. So if you're going to give away freeze, like Cork, I think were really, really clever in the first half on Sunday. They gave away the freeze, but they gave them in the half backline. I think Waterford had one scorable free in that first half. Cloda Carl ended up taking most of them and having to play them into space. So, you know, Cork were clever in where they gave away the freeze. Waterford gave them away in much more scorable positions. And if they do that on to actually even, I think Kilkenny will really, really punish them.

SPEAKER_05 21:49

And Tara, just to get you like a Waterford, I was up at the media event in Club Park yesterday and got interviews of all the the four or the eight counties from the intermediate and senior, but From I'll try to Arna Hickey first, and she was saying, like, well, for we're talking about how they'd be knocking on the door for a line, and we're just saying about how maybe they need you know a big win over the likes of one of the Cowell Cork, you know, to really get themselves over the line and all that. I'd just like to get your opinion out. Like you probably you'd think the same way that maybe they've they've had both wins over the years, but they can't seem to beat the likes of Galway Court like uh when it really matters, like in a big game. And do you think they just need a victory like that, maybe just to push them on and maybe get to win an All-Iland?

SPEAKER_07 22:32

Yeah, I think so. Like the it's it's kind of become obvious now in the last kind of year or so that when it does come to the big occasions, like with the league final against Galway, it just seems to be in the last kind of 10 minutes of a game that it ends up just going away from us and we end up losing by kind of maybe two or three points in the end. And I do think a lot of it is that game management. So, like Elaine was saying, just be composed and try and try and push players when they are when the opposition are on an attack, try and push them out into less favourable areas and try not to just concede freeze through panic and stuff like that, or not give away possession easy again, just through getting bottled up and and not kind of staying composed on the ball. Just the last kind of the couple of big occasions that we have been in have been against Cork and Galloway, and we have kind of dropped just at the last. But I think just to show over the last couple of years with the team developing teams like Kilkenny and Tipperary were also probably a cut above us in the last few years. And it just goes to show that once we did, so like I think a couple of years ago, we got our a win over Tipperary for the first time in a long time in a knockout stage, and that propelled us on. And it's it's always been tight with us kind of edging out now in the last few years and beating them. And then the same went with Kilkenny. We got that draw a couple of years ago um in the group stages, and we haven't lost to them since. I think obviously there's differences in maybe Waterford are on the way up performance-wise, and Kilkenny might have been in a little bit of a rejig kind of stage, but I do think mentally getting a win over those teams does propel a team on and gives them the confidence. So maybe it would have been nice to get a win over the likes of Galloway or Cork in in that group stage. But I I think like like Fiona was saying as well, you just have that cushion of safety net that you don't want to be pushing the boat out and looking for those really, really peak performances, risking injuries and risking girls getting overly tired when you do have the safety net. So mentally, yeah, it definitely would have been nice to get a win over one of the two of them, but they they're still into a quarter final either way, with a chance at a semi-final.

SPEAKER_05 24:31

Yeah, just like.

SPEAKER_08 24:32

Or I think even maybe, sorry, um, Char, sorry, Joe, just uh if Waterford had won either the league final this year or the monster final, even I think when you're knocking on the door for so long, you need to have something tangible to show at the end of it something, you need some kind of silverware just to show that the hard work, I know the results and everything are show for themselves. But I think this bit of silverware is nice to show that the work is paying off. And I think it gives you another level of confidence, and again, that you've beaten a big team on a big day. And I think Waterford Commodore probably needs that. You know, as I said, they've been knocking on the door, they've had some good wins in in the group stages and in league stages over the likes of Cork and Galway. But I think just to get a bit of silverware would have been really, really important to them this year. So that's why I think Saturday's game is even more important. I think to kick on to get back to a semi-final and hopefully a final again. I think this group of players probably deserves it. But whether they'll get there or not, oh no, you don't necessarily get what you deserve in this sport. But uh I think if they could have got one of those victories, I think it would have really brought them on to the next level again.

SPEAKER_05 25:26

Just want to say those interviews I got yesterday, they'll be up at the end of the show. Well, seven of the eight. I think the down one, I followed right to down ball. When I got home and I went to listen back to them, I must I must be the first requirement properly on the interview with the down player so, but the seven of the eight animal players from the two quarters the fourth quarterfinals will be up teams will be up at the end of the show as well. So listen to that. But yeah, just on to you, Nasiona. I suppose look, clear getting through to the quarterfinal, it's the least you probably wouldn't be expecting for the year, like you know, to get to quarter final. And I think we briefly spoke about in last week's episode. Like if they hadn't made the quarterfinal, just by winning the league earlier on the league at the 1B, and the progress they've made, what we're talking about, massive setback for the county, like you know, not get to a to the quarterfinal.

SPEAKER_09 26:11

Like yeah, I suppose like last year, when you know, getting to the quarterfinal stage, last year, you know, when you go back into the restroom at the start of this year, you're it's definitely has to be one of your goals to to see can you progress on the previous year. So like getting back to a quarter final and to to see can can we now push on as a county, look at definitely winning the league, you know, getting silverware. It does, it does give you a little bit of momentum. And even, you know, look at if if the girls had if it had been a draw at the weekend, or even if a one or two point loss, you know, a player would still have got over the line, but they would have been coming into a quarter final after a loss to Offaly previously then with Kilkenny. So, you know, it mightn't have been you know focused as at their last weekend. And look at as I said, I was impressed with how they finished out the game. You know, it was tight for a while, but you know, I was never too worried. It did always look like they were going to push on. So I do think the team has grown in a sense. And look at their back now to back into a quarter final. Look at, I don't think I suppose when I was looking at the draw saying, Who do you want? Do you want Waterford or do you want Tipperary? I think if it had been Waterford, there might have been a sense of oh Waterford again, you know, back to where it was last year, even though they already played Waterford in the Munster semi-final, you know, and that went extra time. I think you know, I'm I'm I'm happy with the draw, but look at I'm I'm not playing on Sunday, so I I think it it's a new team, and they'll be excited by that. There'll be plenty of familiarity there between the girls, and look at their some of them know each other from school there in St. Anne's over in Killaloo, and also like in college in Newell, you know, they'd have played Ashburn together. So and even going to like Munster Club, like there'd be plenty of rivalry there between Drum and Inch girls and whether it's Aina Kilmona or Scarfagonolo or Troclon Lara, you know, like they'll they'll be well familiar with each other. So I think they're going to relish the opportunity. It's not going to be easy. They're going to have to turn up and just give it absolutely everything they got. And I think the last five, ten minutes, like if we are there, thereabouts, it'll, you know, hopefully the care crowd will be be in. And you know, that that might hopefully pray it'll get us over the line. But I think, you know, like we're we're not one of the in the top four counties, not the top five counties. I think we are going to need every bit of momentum that we can get. So look at any little inch or that we can gain, we'll take it. Yeah. And look at Tipperary, they'll be solid in defence. Look at Mariah Edison isn't going to, I'd say, move too far away from minding the top of the D. So look at it's just going to be, you know, trying in trying to enjoy the open space at Crow Park and run and run a tip. But you know, it'd be interesting too. Will Karen Kennedy play for Tipperary? Look at she've missed the last day out injured. Could that possibly have been just look at she's not fully recovered, let's save her because we know we're in the quarterfinal. Or look at, I don't know how how injured it, how how bad or of an injury it is. So that will be a factor, and she would be a loss to Tipperary, but I'm sure they'll have someone else in who'd only be delighted to take her place.

SPEAKER_05 29:30

And just looking ahead as well, actually, to this weekend on Sunday, the relegation playoff final between Dublin and Westford. And I suppose, look, at the start of the championship, you probably weren't expecting Dublin and Westford to be in this game, you know, but maybe you think it can also be a limit, maybe. But look, it's just one like Wexford just have had a bit of a disaster of the campaign, really, losing all their games, like especially after winning Leinster. You know, I thought the confidence would have been up, but just has to happen for them. And Dublin, they've been very famous, I suppose, this year, not just in the championship, but through the league and even in Leinster. So just get your quick thoughts on that game, and who do you think would win it?

SPEAKER_09 30:06

Yeah, I suppose it it is two teams that we we didn't think that would be there. Disappointing for both of them. I'm sure both counties are, I say, definitely didn't plan on being there. You know, and Dublin had been building, so they're going to be disappointed to be in that and won't want to go down to intermediate and look at the same as Wexford. They had maybe peaked too soon during the summer, but uh look at they're gonna want to they're they're gonna want to change that up. And I wouldn't be surprised if that game went to extra time. I I'd I'm gonna throw my hat at Wexford. I I don't know why, but I just I'm gonna trust in them.

SPEAKER_08 30:48

Yeah, they're probably the two teams that you wouldn't you no one would have predicted, I suppose, that the two of them would have been in the bottom, especially as you said after the um the Leinster final. Like they played at an epic at Leinster final on a Friday night in Carlo, went to extra time, looked like it was nearly going to 45s, but Wexford, I suppose, just dug it out. And I suppose looking back on it now, you know, it's been a long time since Wexford would have won the Leinster final, I think, and then beaten Kilkenny and Dublin on the way. So I'm sure they rightly celebrated, but the championship came fast for them the week after, and they were out a week early because they played a double header with the Harlers. So they're actually out the following Saturday as well. And I think they just got caught that first day, and it seems to have been the story of their championship after that. And at times I think Dublin have looked really good in the championship. You know, there's been patches where you'd say, yeah, they're getting their act together, but it's nearly typical Dublin. You know, it's it's hard to get consistency with them. Like they're really, really good one year, and then the next year, you know, they're struggling. They might have a new management, huge turnover players, and they seem to be back to square one. And it seems to have happened to them in the middle of the championship this year that they looked like they were going well early on. And then whatever happens, the wheels just seem to come off the wagon. And I just think maybe after the last weekend, I think Wexford probably know from a long way off that they're going to be in the relegation finding. They've had a couple of weeks maybe to prepare for it, doubling up to the last two weeks, still had a chance to get themselves out of it and couldn't do that. I think they couldn't get results against Limerick, they couldn't get a result against Doffley. So I don't know, the Lens or the relegation final might have felt they might have found themselves in that kind of bit of surprise. And the fact that they couldn't get those two results when they needed them, the fact that Wexford, you know, put up a decent enough performance against Gilkenny at the weekend. But I think, as I said, Wexford know that they've been preparing for a relegation final for the last couple of weeks. I think they might just have enough to edge it. They seem to be able to do enough in those must-win games against Dublin in the last wide. So I think they might edge it and Dublin might be looking at intermediate next year.

SPEAKER_07 32:29

Yeah, I think definitely, like Fiona said, definitely going to be a close game. It probably will be only like a point or two that that skews it either way. And like Elaine was saying with Dublin, I think the last couple of years it looked like they were actually really building something nice and funny for it to just break down in the middle of a season this year when things seem to have been going so well for them. And I think mentally that is going to have an effect on them going into a relegation when they did think that they had a chance of just staying safe. But Wexford having the time to prepare and I think having maybe a little bit of a bite now, not wanting to be considered a team that should be anywhere near a relegation, kind of level in that group, that they they may have the time to prepare and to build when Dublin were still kind of pushing to try and keep themselves safe in the group. So maybe Wexford by a point or two, or uh if not, it could be an extra time type job.

SPEAKER_05 33:16

And look, also on Sunday we had uh intermediate quarterfinals, but our doubleheader and Inestina both are on the Moby YouTube channel. A half two meet take on Derry and a half four Leash take on down. And I suppose look, Leash, I know that Amy Collier yesterday at the mini-event, Leash, they're just their first instance or first aim this year was to just avoid relegation back to junior after winning the junior last year. So like they kind of consider this bonus territory. And after coming up against the down team that were relegated from the senior last year, so look, it's obviously going to be a step up in the from the group stage, but like the they're also coming into this after winning all their group games, like three they won three for three in the group, but they were in group two. It's similar to the senior, like where the all four teams are group one or two anyway. And like Antrim and League or Antrim Kerry are future tenant final. And so like it'll be covered at Leach, but like they've he's full of confidence and the momentum they've built over the last couple of years. Maybe they can bring it to the game against Down, like and Down come in being a bit disappointed, I suppose, in the championship. They've lost to Antrim and Carey and they drew with Derry. So they've they've lost they haven't got the momentum behind them as much.

SPEAKER_08 34:28

Yeah, I think it's a right chance for Each. You know, sometimes the year you come up is probably the best year to try and drive on because you can probably probably still have the core group of players. Um as I said, there's a bit of a butt bounce off winning the intermediate or winning to the All Ireland last year, and they've carried that through. You know, they've been really impressive in some of their group games. So I think they'll see it as a real opportunity. As he said, their first goal probably would have been to just stay up. But the fact now that they're there with a chance of of getting back to knockout Komogi, I think they'll take it. And you know, sometimes a bit of their young, you know, experience, but a good hurlan side. I was really impressed with them in Croke Park last year. I thought they showed some re took some really, really good scores, and they've been putting up some good scores in the championship. So I think they'll give themselves a real touch at the weekend.

SPEAKER_09 35:07

Yeah, like I I agree. Like they're like in the scheme is a real nice wide pitch. Like I fancy Leash in this in this game against down. I think they I think they'll I think they'll relish the opportunity. Like I'm and Meat versus Jerry. I I think Meat they're gonna win, and I think Leash are gonna win. And I'm just I'm just calling it now.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

Meat and dairy meet in the other game, and I know the dairy count chance at the beginning yesterday, they've they feel like they've been letting off all year like and that they haven't even given a chance. And that they're coming into the same is down like one draw and two defeats against the meat team who went finished group two on three points, and win a draw, uh, winning two defeats, like and got two ahead of West Meat on points different, but I think there's only like two points in the difference. Well, but I think that should be another twelfth game as well. Like, and it's a hard one to call, really.

SPEAKER_07 35:59

Yeah, it seems fairly fairly tight kind of results-wise in the rest of the group. With with Leash just seemed to have like a really good run on on things at the moment. So probably like that, I would think Leash maybe take the win on that side, but it probably will be tight in the on the other side.

SPEAKER_09 36:14

I suppose if a if Jerry you're saying they've been written off all year, I've probably just written them off there at least. But I don't mean happy with you, Fiona. I don't mean any disrespect by that. But look at it, it's they can go and uh surprise us all now. And but look at you have yeah, you have to pick, yeah, you have to pick one, and there can only be one winner in the day. And uh look at I think I'm going for leash and uh meat anyway.

SPEAKER_08 36:41

Yeah, and meat and dairy, I suppose, are two experienced intermediate teams. You know, they're always there, thereabouts at the knockout stages of the of the championship, um, and year on year they're able to produce something. I like Meat, I've seen them a go a few times over the years, and I just like what they're about, but I just think Derry might have enough of them at the weekend because it's sometimes being written off is enough for any team, and if they're feeling like that, I know Colin Mora used it there last year when no one gave Colin Murray and Galway a chance, apparently, and then they went out and won the all-airlands. So I think sometimes people think they're being written off because it suits the narrative. But uh no, I think Leash and Jerry maybe at the weekend.

SPEAKER_05 37:13

And look, actually, I'll just get into your predictions for the two senior quarterfinals. I'm not gonna ask you to predict your own countries, I'll just ask you to predict when they're at the other game that your own country's not involved in. And I'll get Charlie to predict give her predictions then give you her later on. But Shiona, I'll get your prediction for the tip clear game then.

SPEAKER_09 37:31

Well, first of all, before I answer that one, Elaine Tower. No, uh you can write about Claire. Yeah, I can't clear Waterford Kinney. I can't wait. Yeah, water for the kidney, yeah. I'm I'm gonna go with Kilkenny. I I was very impressed when uh when they played Claire, I think they'd you know they're fast and they're young, they're coming off some great minor teams at under 23s. You know, they might say they were rebuilding, uh but I don't I don't know if they'd too much rebuilding to do. But I I I think Kilkenny are gonna do it. I know I and in one way I feel a little bit disappointed for Waterford in a sense that because I do think they had been building and had got good momentum over the last couple of years, but if they had just, you know, and Elaine alluded to it earlier, like any bit of silverware at all does just bring an extra edge to it. Now, look at they might go and completely change that, and Waterford might win on on Saturday, but I think it's going to be Kilkenny because they like gold, and I do think they will get them.

SPEAKER_05 38:33

And look to Elaine and Tara, I thought it's your prediction for the to bring with Claire game then on Sunday.

SPEAKER_08 38:40

Yeah, look, I think it's going to be really, really tight. I'm not sure what the mindset and tip will have been after the group games. You know, it's hard to lose three games, regardless of whether you've, you know, you've trained through them or what you've been trying to do. It's hard to lose three games and then in a week get a bit of momentum. But I suppose a lot like Wexford in the relegation final, tip of Covid probably kind of known from the first group game that they were going to finish in that quarterfinal spot. So they've probably been able to time their run. And the likes of the injuries to the likes of Karen Kennedy and any other little niggas they've picked up, they probably might have been able to rest them for the couple of weeks with next weekend in mind. They have huge experience in Crow Park, I suppose last year that quarterfinal against Kilkenny was a massive game, went to extra time and all the drama of, as I said, the the penalty, the goal that wasn't given, the goal at the other end, the reintroduction of Clora McIntyre. So they have huge experience. But I do think there is something about Claire this weekend this year. I saw them in Olin Park in the 1B League final, and I was just really, really impressed with how organized they were, their entire setup, just everything about them was all running smoothly. They looked like a team on a mission, and they proved it that day. You know, they had a really, really good win over Dublin that day. I think it's going to be close. I don't think you can underestimate the power of the Clare crowd coming in. You know, on the Monster final this year, the Tip Crow came in towards the end of that monster final and Tip pushed on and beat Waterford in the last probably 10 or 15 minutes of that. So I think the Claire crowd, if they get in early, will have a huge impact on that Claire Komoga team. They won't have been happy to just get back to a quarter final. I think that's where they were last year. And I think the goal for any team, and especially that team, there they seem to be a real-driven bunch, will be to drive on again. Look, I think it'll go right down to the wire. We could even be looking at extra time, but I think Tip might just hold on at the end. Just the experience of being there last year, of the Munster final this year, small things like that, I think Tip might just treat it.

SPEAKER_07 40:22

For me then, I think just looking at the the injuries, I think I'm not sure now, but Karen Kennedy's injury actually happened in the Waterford game in Welch Park. And it looked bad enough. It doesn't, it's not to say that she hasn't recovered and she she won't get back into this weekend. She is made of very tough stuff, but it looked like one that might kind of take a bit out of her. And I did also notice that when she when she did come off the field, it really, really swayed things in Waterford's favour. It tended to a lot of Tipperary's play moved through her through the middle of the field. They kind of relied on her running the ball a lot to kind of link up back and forward play. So depending maybe on her fitness coming in and whether she plays or not, that could kind of have a big effect on Tipperary. And again, just from previous years of playing against Claire, they've they've kind of been one of those bogey teams where the media are all kind of painting the narrative that Waterford should kind of breeze by and get a somewhat easy win over them. But in the quarterfinal last year, they kind of rattled us a bit. They got they got two goals in on us and they kind of opened us up completely. And it shook us by halftime and it took a lot to get back into the game. Maybe they didn't have quite enough to see it out at the end. So we did end up kind of getting by what looked easy on a scoreline, but the feeling was there was a little bit of fear struck into us by the end of that game that we kind of had to get ourselves together. So Blair definitely have something in them, and I think it's just if they can get things to click on the big day, they they definitely have enough in them to rattle Tipperary, especially like that, if Tip aren't up to full strength. So I give it being really, really close and potentially just experience-wise, Tipperary might just kind of edit out on the day. Sorry, Fiona.

SPEAKER_08 42:02

Fiona's happy out now. She can go back to her and tell them all they're written out everywhere.

SPEAKER_09 42:06

Yeah, wait, yeah, I can't wait.

SPEAKER_05 42:08

It takes you Sunday evening to be like, yeah, and look, from what's the neutral point of view, you know, I give my position the book. Like I've been impressed by TikTokny this year so far. Like they have really played well in the championship. But I'm just I'm gonna give it to Waterford because I think they're just they're a little bit further ahead of Tikinney at the moment to make at the moment just a stronger position. And Tipperary Claire, I think Tipperary might just have too much, but at the same time, though I did promise Fiona last week that if they got through against Off League, he'd have to again, I'd have to shout for Claire then for the rest of the year or something. But so but I think I'll be probably supporting Claire Fiona, but I'm just gonna give it to Tipperary. I think they have the more experience at the bigger games at the moment, and I think that we're getting true. But just on Karen Kennedy there, you're talking about her. When I was interviewing Karim Blair there yesterday from Tiberi Perspective, now it could be mine games now, but she was saying she doesn't look it's unlikely that she'll be playing this weekend. I know the grinding injury that she picked up against in the water game. Now it could be my game from Karim, but she was saying she's very doubtful and doesn't look like she'll be back this weekend anyway. So if she is it around, then she will obviously be a league loss for Tiberi because she is key in the middle of the field for them.

SPEAKER_09 43:17

Saving her for the semi-final, I'd say.

SPEAKER_05 43:30

Final games of the group are coming up the weekend. They're all on Saturday at half three. First off, Wiklove take on Armada, Roscomman take on Calvin, and then Tyrone take Kalair in a winner take all game to decide the final semi final spot. Like Calvin, Roscomman, and Armagh are rather the short of semi final spots. Like Calvin top of the table, four wins on a four, had twelve points. Roscomman and Armad then a level in second, third, and nine points. Roscomman had the points difference over Armad, and then Kalair and Tyrone. And then we have we club bottom last our four games and look to take some heavy beatings into that championship board. Like obviously Kildare and Tyrone, that should be a cracking game. Like when they met in the league, there was not an end either. Like, so they've been fourth games between them to the last Tyrone and Kalair must come and they've been playing the league. They've been very fourth game. So Kildare Tyrone, that should be a good game at the weekend. Decide the final semi-final spot.

SPEAKER_09 44:30

Yeah, like I think Kidair have made they have made strides in the last couple of years. You know, and even the last last weekend there now you put up a big big score. I think I think they should should have enough in them to get over Tyrone at the weekend and get that fourth semi-final spot.

SPEAKER_05 44:45

And just also just go back to last weekend, just for George Junior semi-finals were on, and Mona and Gar 311 to six points by Mayo had a 16 points to one five win overlapped. So I think the final had on in a couple of weeks, Monet and and Mayo. And obviously whichever team can win that would be a massive boost for them to win as well.

SPEAKER_09 45:10

Yeah, I guess but I suppose look at I I spent uh many years I suppose living and working in Monet and you know it was only it was only the big ball I was playing when I was up there, but look at the Catalanny fogs in the skiing, they'd be you know, they'd be driving like my number of years, you know, and they'd a massive win over Donny Got. Like I think, you know, that's a great, exciting final to look forward to between themselves and Mayo. You know, and it'd be it'd be nice to see look at a county get silverware at the end of the year, you know, if it you know it builds for the following year, and they would like the opportunity to be up in the Premier Junior next year for sure.

SPEAKER_05 45:48

Leave it at that stuff because we uh come up and have Jardin can from giving up to perspective ahead of the weekend. And also we have the interview from the chair from the bottom at four on the fourth quarter final that we get between the scene during the intermediate. And before we go, I'd just like to give you a reminder of our social media. We're on Instagram at talking commodity podcast. You can also get us on it at talking commodity pod, and you can email us at talking commodity podcast at gmail.com. So, and thank you for coming on and best enough before again, like I'm gonna need two things or two, but should we hopefully be cracking games like that's quarterfinals, which I think four went out to find so hopefully anyway it should be both great games for and all. So thanks for coming on and Joe. Thank you very much. That's all for this week's episode. We'll be back again next week having a look back at the quarterfinals and how they go. And now I'm joined by Geraldine Canad. Geraldine, you're very welcome to the pod. And I suppose we look ahead to Sunday's game, like and for Tipperary, they'd be disappointed with how the championship has gone so far, like you know, three defeats, and maybe especially after the Gaway game like the weekend, maybe they weren't at their best at all, really, and they were well beaten by a strong Galway side.

SPEAKER_01 47:11

Yeah, look, I suppose we're in a position really that we being at Star Championship. We certainly didn't want to be facing an all-aring quarter final having three defeats in a row up against a team, you know, that have a good bit of momentum. They're coming in at the back of a great win at the weekend against Offaly, and they've four out five games won. So I suppose that's not the situation Tip wanted to be in. Now, I was disappointed with the performance against Warford. I was much happier after the court game, and I have to say, you know, obviously you were disappointed after the Galway game, but at the same time, you kind of stand back and have to admire Galway as well. I thought they were awesome, you know, on Sunday. 317, you know, serious scoring. A lot of them scores were from play, which were I think was the worrying thing for Tip. Tip relied very heavily on points from Freeze. You know, 15 points wasn't bad scoring, but I think nine of them were all from Freeze, even McGrath. Fairness tour was excellent on the Freeze. So look, we were, I suppose, we we lacked a bit of options, we didn't really create goal chances while Galway certainly did. So it's gonna be a huge task on um on Sunday to get a like clear have been impressive, you know, a lot of people talking about them all year. They were impressive in the Monster Championship, they were looking, it took them to extra time, and you know, they've continued that form into the into the All-Irland series, and they've I thought they've gone out gone about their business very well. And you know, they're they're in a quarter final and they're where they wanted to be. And you know, they it's a lovely draw for them, obviously, with the hurlers playing after it. So it's it's almost reverse to our situation last year, you know. You know, where we were on the crest of the wave with Kamogi and the hurling this time last year, we're now going to be facing a clear team, you know, full of confidence. We're gonna have a huge crowd in for the double header. And you know, that's why I said it before, you know, that that clear crowd, you know, that's going to be in for the hurling, it's gonna be worth you know, maybe three, four points to clear. So if Tip are going to win at the weekend, they're gonna have to be six or seven points, maybe better than them.

SPEAKER_05 49:05

And like Kitty said, Claire there, yeah, that could be a big advantage for them having the clear hurling, the crowd in for the hurling, like before that. Like you've seen it with self with Chip Reri going back to last year's quarter final, and also in the Monster final this year when they had a double header with the tip hurl. You could see the difference and the help that you know, have that extra crowd in, having give you a boost like when you're out on the pitch, like and you can hear the roar, and that like you know, if the pipe goes over, maybe you wouldn't you have to make the block back in the defense, and you could the roar goes up, like, and that would just give you a massive boost like out on the pitch.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

100%. And I I I think you know, I think that's what Claire Management will be saying to the girls that we need to stay with tip, stay with Tip, be in this game with 40 minutes to go, and then you know, if they got their nose in front at all, like you said, the crowd will get behind them, they'll cheer every every passage of play, every block, every hook, every score, every save, and that'll just the whole team. You know, the anyone coming off the bench and everything, there'll be a big roar, it'll just ride them on, and it'll be massive. And that's a huge and that's a huge that's that's got to be a huge factor, I think, on Sunday. Look, Tip have experience playing in Crow Park, they did very well there last year in the quarter final. Claire have experience in playing in Crow Park as well. You know, Tip have had three really tough games. So I you know, I'm wondering, you know, Clare probably haven't been playing at that same intensity, no disrespect uh to Offley or to Limerick or Etsford. I can't imagine that Claire have been playing at the intensity that Tip had last weekend against Galway because you know I don't think anyone is playing at the same level as Galway at the moment. You know, they were flying it, the the the score chances, the goal chances that they created, the movement, everything. So Tip certainly will feel they should be able to go up to the pace of the game, maybe quicker than Claire, but you know, Claire full of confidence, you know, Russian Begley in great form, Ann Spillan in great form. They've got huge talented Anya Latin come off the bench the last day as well. So they have strength and depth there as well. And Neve Mallon didn't feature at the weekend for for Galway. I believe she picked up an off against again, I think in the Cork match. I don't know what way she is, whether she'll be back. Like, imagine if you have Neve Mallon coming on at sub, or even if she starts the next day, I'm not sure who will make way because there's serious talent in that six fours there for Galway. So, you know, it's it's I suppose tip, I suppose they just have to regroup, put the Galway match behind them, say, look, we're in a quarter final. I suppose we're in the same position as we were this time last year. And when we get us to a semi-final in a couple of weeks' time, hopefully they'll have Karen back probably for a semi-final, you know, regroup again and stuff like that. But you know, they'll be they won't be looking past Claire and it it's a it's a big test for them on Sunday.

SPEAKER_05 51:40

Yeah, and just there, like around when I was chatting to Tara, Elaine and Fiona, we were chatting about like that with Karen Kennedy, like and when she got off injured against Waterford, and you could see that maybe Tipperary just weren't the same when she went off, like because she is a massive influence on that Tipperary team in the middle of the feet with the way she gets up and down the feed, like and she's a huge loss to Tipperary, like and it was all so getting around that. Like I don't think she's available at the weekend, but if she was back, if the Lou gets through and they get back for semi-final, it'd be a massive plus to have her back, like when she'll get back.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Yeah, I couldn't I couldn't see her featuring this weekend. You know, she wasn't she wasn't even talked the last day. So I imagine in in the space of a week she's not going to get back, but at least in the semi-final, you'd have a few weeks again. But she's a huge loss. I mean, everyone knows Karen that comes up the field and scores or you know gets back and intercessed, but there's a lot of work she does, I suppose, that people don't see really, you know, the the tracking, the the chasing, the hooking, the flicking and the rocks, getting the ball out. I think she's a great team player. She brings others into the game around her. Uh, she's the link up between the forwards and the backs. And I don't think you can estimate, overestimate the loss she is to the tip team. And like I thought against Waterford, you know, they were struggling anyway, but I thought they lost shape altogether when she had to go off. Obviously, I thought they were regrouped and they prepared without her against Cork, and and you know, they did well that day, but did definitely missed her presence in the middle of the field again against Galway at physicality, uh, albeit I thought Kareen and Claude did very well, they were up and down the field. But you know, you can't you you know, and Clora could have been further into the forwards if we had Karen there in the middle of the field. So she's certainly a huge loss, and you know, I suppose the girls are going to have to play for her now this weekend and get the job done so that Karen get a chance maybe to come back and play in an all-iron semi-final. And there's a huge carriage, I suppose, for tip, especially this year with the all-iron semi-finals on in Sempa Stadium. So if they can get over Clare and get to a semi-final, you know, they'll have a huge tip of support in Sempa Stadium. That was evident against Cork. We had great support there, and you know, that's what I suppose where the girls want to get back to in a couple of weeks' time if they can.

SPEAKER_05 53:45

I just go back to the game on Sunday against Galway. Like they had well, the wind was very strong, and the first half they happened to be had the advantage. You know, at times it seems to be more of a swerder than when going across fields, so I kind of shift the shape. But I thought in the first half they had a few chances that job short to put wide, and they have a habit of that sometimes, not just this year, but even going back to last year, maybe the year before. Sometimes they're shooting acquaintance in the greatest. Like, and it can happen sometimes. It is something that maybe they'll have to improve on if they are going to you know push on maybe and ever get that retro, you know, into an all-ireland windy all Ireland. Like, yeah, it is something that seems to be a problem at times.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Yeah, totally. And I suppose it's kind of magnified when you're playing against Galway and Cork because you know chances are so hard to come by. You know that Cork and Galway will go and take the chances they get at the other end or even Warford. So, you know, if you're getting, you know, if you're getting chances in the first half, let's say you're corner forward, you get three balls, you know, you might get away against the other opposition only scoring one of those three, but you really have to take your three scores against Galway because it's so hard to get the ball up, it's so hard to win clean possession, it's so hard to get out in front of your marker, get away from your marker, that every all those chances really have to be taken. And I suppose a score in the first few minutes is as important as a score in the last few minutes. And sometimes it can be a bit lax, maybe shooting at the start of the match, and then at the end of the match, it's like do or die, you need to then point so badly. But if you had taken them in the first few minutes when you when you had maybe a bit more time, you know, it's just crucial that every every chance that comes it has to be taken. And and if you have a goal chance, you know, in the first few minutes, I'm a firm believer, you have to take that goal chance. You know, sometimes players just tap it over the bar, maybe the easier option, but you might get another goal chance. I do think just have to be taken when you're playing against the best sides. And I think it, you know, I put Claire up there, you know, you're only going to get so many chances against Claire, and we have to be ruthless, we have to take them. And it was disappointing, I suppose, against Gaway. I thought we didn't really create goal chances, and I thought we probably didn't get the ball into our forwards quick enough and and and fast enough. And you know, I just Gaway just seemed to, you know, I think against the wind in the first half, they isolated maybe one or two forwards inside, like Tenef Nyland and Quiva Kelly, and everyone else, Ailish O'Reilly, and everyone else on the half forward line was way out the field, and you know, Emer and Lufman and Ray Evanston were one-on-one with their markers, and it was it was tough on them because the ball coming in was really good. There was the you know, Gary Dolan was running from midfield, and really were just the movement and the transfer possession was was was so quick and so fast, and suddenly there was an overlap, and and and you know, Need Nyland and Queen Kelly were true, and or Need McPeak was coming from deep as well. So I thought we didn't do that, you know, uh the other side. We didn't seem to be able to create that space or or create that overlap. And uh it's certainly something, you know, in the Cook Park big stadium. I think we're gonna need goals against Claire, and you know, it's something that James will be, you know, I suppose emphasising with the forwards that we have to create these goal chances, we have to run at teams, we have to move the ball, decision making, and the shot selection maybe has to all be, you know, all has to be sharper, has to be has to be better at the weekend.

SPEAKER_05 56:44

Definitely. Look, as I was saying to the other three Tara, I Elena Fiona earlier on, but I was asking like about Tippering and Morford in particular, and maybe because of the way they forwarded it this year with all the four teams going through, maybe they weren't fully at the at like in the group stage because they knew they were going to go through regardless. And maybe they were bit wanting to build for the knockout stages, you know, because as I said to then earlier on, it's it's hard enough to be Clark or Gaway once win a championship to beat the Bill Tyson would be almost impossible. So maybe from that perspective, you know, maybe the two teams were kind of like you know, go and see if the metal in the knockout stages and really go all out in the knockout stages. Like do you think there was a bit of that there as well in the back of your mind, maybe something? And the fact that they would have been shooting regardless, maybe it just came there as well, like part of it.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

I wonder, maybe, maybe subconsciously, like you definitely felt Galway against Tip, you know, that was the best performance of the three games they played, and if it was almost a knockout feel for them that they obviously in the last game decided they didn't want to be in the quarterfinals, they want to make sure and get into a semi-final. You know, Cork had run at them in Galway the first day out, and they weren't going to let that happen. So, from Tip's point of view, maybe there was a bit of, you know, at times maybe against Waterford that it's not uh, you know, subconsciously, you know, it's not knockout. I think after losing the first game, but we approached the second game more that we have to get a win because we we lost the first game, we have to get a big improvement. If we don't, we'll be run off the park in Simple Stadium. And certainly it seems to be more focused the the performance that day. Um against Gobby. I mean, I don't think I think they definitely wanted to win against Goby 100%. But maybe when Gobert got them two goals, got that lead, maybe early in the second half when they got the third goal, did the players kind of feel, oh, this is gone, gone, you know, gone from us now, and sure look, we still have the quarterfinal. So they probably they probably performed a bit like in the second half that they knew it wasn't knockout and they knew they had the quarterfinal. So from that point of view, maybe they you know they were holding back a bit for a quarter final. But certainly at the start of the game, I think everyone goes out to win it, and you know, things start going against you. Maybe a bit of subconsciously a bit of softness creeps in where you know that it's not a knockout. But I don't think anyone, certainly at the start, and I don't think it would be the management's intention at the start that anybody wouldn't be going all out for for for all the full points, you know.

SPEAKER_05 59:03

Yeah, probably not. Uh anyway, look before I let you go, I'll keep it too much longer. I know you've had a busy day left. So I earlier on now when I was getting predictions from Tara Elena Fiona, I didn't let them predict the outcome of their own team's game. So I got them to predict the opposite game. So like Tara for predicted the temporary clear game, and like Elena's same with Fiona Westworth Kikinley. So I guess you get your prediction for the West for Kikini game. Just now because I got got jump started. I didn't want to predict in the round to King's game, so I'll just like and talk maybe wrote that well for Kikini game. I think that should be another good game as well. Like, you know, Kikini coming in there flying like really honest what they are so far. I know they're in group two, and maybe they didn't have as tough as opposition, like, but still they got five wins and they've been impressive window five wins at times, so they'd be right off of like an 100%.

SPEAKER_01 59:54

Like, I like I suppose I would feel Kilkenny would have been the tougher of the draws, you know. Um obviously between Kilkenny and Claire, Kilkenny bet Claire convincingly enough in the group stages. So I definitely think Waterford have the tougher of the two draws. And I think I think this Kilkenny team, you know, I think they'll they relish the opportunity. I think there's definitely a hurt there. I was kind of afraid of meeting them because I feel they probably have hurt there from last year when we bet them, because they probably felt, you know, looking back, they had the ball on the back of the net and it was called back for a penalty, and then the penalty was saved, and we went up to the field and got a great goal. So, you know, they wouldn't have needed any motivation playing against us, but they've got Waterford in the draw, and they probably haven't met that often in big games of late. I think Waterford are used to playing Cork, used to playing golf, used to playing Tip, and I think Waterford have learned to I suppose to set themselves up against those teams. I think they know how to beat Tip. I think you know Waterford have have a good record against Cork, been very close against Cork the last few years. But I think Kilkenny might catch them because I I think there's there's a bit of maybe not as familiar with playing against Kilkenny, and maybe I think Waterford are able to really both and get themselves up for Cork and for the Galway, and certainly for TIP. There's a good rivalry there with Tip over the last couple of years, and you know, we had beaten them twice this year, and they turned around in the league and the Monster Championship, they turned around about us in the championship. So I think they have that motivation anytime they play us. I think they they you know they've set themselves up every time they play Cork. But I I wonder, will they be a bit unprepared going in against Kilkenny? With Kilkenny, you know, they're five wins for five. Would they be a bit maybe uh, you know, a bit peed off that they were put into kind of what's kind of effectively a tier two, maybe group two kind of they feel that they should be up in the other group? I'm sure like James Marabus and all these things for motivation. So I've a kind of I'm just gonna maybe go against the grain a bit and and and fancy maybe Klipkenny might cause a bit of a surprise against Warford. You know, I think Warford have had three really tough games, and I think they would have liked a direct passage maybe into the semi-final. I don't maybe they feel they don't need another game in terms of they've had three tough games, they had their win against Tip, they had, you know, very they they rank Galway and Cork close, so they've had three tough games. You know, maybe they they feel they might they could have done with a few weeks off and regroup and be ready for a semi-final. So I'm just wondering, could could could Kilkenny catch him at the weekend? Now, you know, on paper you'd have to say Waterford looked the stronger of the two sides, but you know, that's not always goal like that. So I'm I might I might I think I just fancy maybe a shock at the weekend and Kilkenny to turn over. It won't be that big a shock, but Kilkenny to come out the better in in that in that match.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:35

Yeah, look, I think both games, I think it'll probably be close games, and hopefully there will be good games as well, like you know, both being on RTE as well. So there'll be a big maybe a bigger audience for like going back to last year's it's the fourth same quarter finalist from last year, just the game reversed like last year was Kikillian water for clear. And I think both of them might exit time in the end, like so. And we're both fairly entertaining the game. So look, hopefully we'll get more of the same now this year, which would be great so it would further sport, like and especially said, like you know, a bigger audience there watching it maybe with J like you know, and might get more people interested then. Like but I just wanted to ask your opinion there as well, just now that the group stages are over, like what's your overall view now of the loop format? Now that we've gone through the group stage and all that. Look, from my opinion, I think the group two teams and like maybe benefit a little better. I know Elaine was saying the same thing as well, like, you know, that she said the rights of Osley and Limerick maybe benefited most from it, like you know, because they got a couple of wins in a little bit on while in re previous years, like maybe going to come up against you know Clark or a goal, you know, a Capri or something like that, and they might have suffered a big beat in like something, and then they're out the years over before it really gets started. Like, so for them to be as if they'll get chance going into the last round, like they're probably benefited most from it of all the teams. Like, I that's what she thinks as well. Like, and that's what I'd be of that opinion as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

Yeah, no, I I suppose I'd have to I'd give credit to the Cole Association for trying something different because to me, what stood out over the last two years is some very one-sided games. There was, you know, really kind of I suppose where my PR hash on you when you see the results coming up or on the on the news or something like that, and it was there was very one-sided games, you know. I mean, Cork and Galway taking on maybe the likes of Limerick or Wexford or or was it Derry at the time. There certainly was one-sided results, and especially maybe if you'd already lost one or two games and you know they were kind of nearly dead rubbers, and then you have to turn around and face like a rampant Cork or rampant Galway. I know even we kind of bet Limerick well enough last year. We bet Wexford quite well as well. And I suppose from Tip's point of view, you learn nothing from that either. It wasn't really any benefit for us, and also, you know, it wasn't the same, I suppose, bite in the games. I thought this year there were three really good competitive games in group one. I thought looking at all, I didn't see all the games in group two, but looking at all the results, nothing really, maybe Kilkenny had won some of their games strong enough. But you know, you couldn't you couldn't predict who was going to win all the other games. I mean, you didn't Limerick, Dublin, you know, Offlee, Claire, there was nothing between them. West probably never really got going, but there was nothing between any of those games. So I think from a PR point of view, it it looked way better having closer games and no one-sided games. I think it was, I suppose, for for teams preparation-wise, I think it stood to Tip better playing three strong games, it stood to all the group two games playing better. I think I think it's just a pity Tip didn't win one game. And you know, if we'd won back Galway, because I suppose there are a few eyebrows wondering how did how did we end up in a quarter final having lost three games? A few people are wondering that, and I have heard it mentioned is it a bit harsh on you know, the likes of Offaly and is it Limerick would have won a few games and they don't get a quarter final? And obviously that's there's a reason why it was seated groups and totally different situations, but I suppose it does is it ideal playing a quarter final? Does it make sense being a quarter final you lost three games? But I think it's a better shocking. Maybe group two. Maybe we'll learn. If you don't have to record what we did, probably it would probably also be a good idea. It worked as well. I think the best teams have ended up in the power of it. I think our left which is probably what have happened if it was structured anyway as well as a body. I think we've got here we've got to decide in a better better games and better results and no one-sided performance as well. We've got to where we wanted to be as well in a better way. It was called having three games, but there was a break. I suppose people got a break between the group or the second editor and a four target. That was cool. Uh to have won at least one game going into a quarter final, but look if you know what typically win a quarter final, win a semi-final, win a final. And you know, win three, really tough LC games to win the learning, but that's I suppose that's the way a lot of the championships are, you know, we don't have probably enough teams playing at the very highest level. And Galloway are all in the road. And I wanted to last probably the capital. I suppose I think the championship would probably have been the same way I'd imagine. I think Doblin will be a bit stronger. I would just you know get over the line but you know what? I think they have a bit more strength in depth than Microsoft. It's a fish for microphone. I mean, they had a great year one sentence winning the Lens Rebush. I suppose if they stay Dope would be even better again, but I I would worry for them in that game. I think Dublin would be I'd I'd be very surprised if Dublin get called down to be honest.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:11

It could be a close game again, but yeah, I I think I just go over Dublin myself as well. I think it would be fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

I think all all all the games we're talking about tonight will all be very close. And I I could be wrong in my predictions in all very easily.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:23

Yeah, but yeah, so we'll see what the weekend anyway and see who's left standing after the weekend going into a semi-final. So I thought look, I'll leave you I'll let you go there anyway. Just count for joining me here now for this. And I might see you up in Club Hark on Sunday if I'm there.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:37

So Yeah, looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:39

Thanks again. So I'll chat you again sometime anyway soon.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:42

Thanks, Joe.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:43

How's the feeling in Care Camp now ahead of the quarterfinal against the bird?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:47

I think we're all really buzzing, looking forward to it. I'm obviously getting to play before the hurlers is what we were hoping to get and it's come through for us. So I think just the energy in the camp this week is going to be through the roof and all just buzzing, looking to get up to Kroger.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:01

And obviously look here, Mogey's on a bit of a high at the moment. We've had a good year so far winning the league. What if it's close in the bunch of championships, like after winning him close and left as a quarter final, so yeah, obviously on a high night you've lost the one game so far in the championship against Kikinny, which would have been a tough game, but you've gone really well, so you must be very confident how going to the end.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:19

Yeah, I suppose we feel we're bringing a bit of momentum with us. You know, one four out of five of our championship games, no loss in the league. I think you know, once games get tough, you can kind of look back on those performances and get confidence that you know you've gotten over the line time and time again, and that you ha can do it again. And yeah, I suppose Tip uh you know, we didn't get to play those top four teams in the championship so far. So we're really looking forward to it. And yeah, the Kakenny match was a bit of a blip. But it wasn't do or die for us that day, really. We knew we could kind of go if we go to awfully and get that result, we'd go through. So you know, we tried some things that day, and some worked, some didn't, and we learned a lot from it, which we're gonna take to the quarter final.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:03

Um, well look you've had a couple of injury issues going on over here, like especially Lauren have you now. But like she has seemed to be going all right even without her outlets, like not being too bad, but like she's obviously a big loss for you as well. Like, you know, she's a big focal point in there on the foot forward line.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:17

So uh yeah, she she was great to have in there. You could hear any sort of ball and should make you look fantastic. Yeah, there's no replacement her, but you we have everyone's gonna bring something different, and we're gonna have someone's gonna take that spot and make it their own. I think the Forwards have really stepped up, Roshin Begley's stepped up to be free taker, and she must be our top score at this point. So, yeah, people come in and fill those gaps in their own different ways, and while it's not a replacement, it's it's something new and something fresh.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:52

You must be confident though that you can have it supposedly you can just go in there and take them on, and obviously you'll have a big clear crowd hopefully come in for the first game as well. But like you must be confident that you could have every chance of getting something out of the game against through to an alternate semi-final.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:04

Absolutely. I don't think anyone's uh afraid of the game at all. Like I said, we do feel that we've come on a lot, even from last year. A lot of work has gone into fitness and Jim. That we were gonna be able to compete physically with these top teams and you know, pitch like Crow Park, you know, the touch and everything. I'm hoping it will just come for us on the day. You know, the nerves won't play too much of a part, hopefully. And yeah, the Claire Crow coming in, they I think are gonna be a huge boost for us. You know, little margins matter a lot in quarter finals, and you know, having the crowd cheer when a score goes over and you win a free out on the backs, their momentum changes and they can really shift everything that's happening in the game.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:43

But I suppose we'll look back at all the matches, and there's plenty that we can learn on, so we'll just be focusing on those learnings for the week and looking forward to getting a good performance at the weekend now.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:52

You must be disappointed with how the Goa game went for E2 at the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:57

Yeah, it feels like we didn't really get a chance to play our own game, and I suppose that's a credit to Galway as well. They really put it up to us. But yeah, I suppose from a team we're weren't happy with our performance, so we'll definitely look back at it and take some learnings and see what we'll improve on at the weekend. But yeah, we'll try to park that now and just look forward.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:15

Obviously, we've got Claire now coming up. Maybe not team we haven't played that much in the big field, but we'll obviously be a challenge like they're coming in full of confidence because they've had a good year so far.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:24

Yeah, definitely like Claire it'll be a serious it'll be a serious battle again at the weekend. And yeah, with the new structure this year we obviously haven't played them in the the immediate championships, it'll probably be the league is the last time we played them. So we'll be looking back on that one anyway, and yeah, but they're they're in serious form and it'll definitely be a tough battle at the weekend.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:42

And as you say, like I mean no, not ideally don't three defeats in a row. Maybe one just one winner, maybe. What's the confidence like in the camp performance and all that?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:56

Yeah, I suppose it's like you know, the the the three losses that obviously didn't go as planned for us in the championship so far, but we have serious belief within our team and within our players and each other. So I suppose we'll just have to look back, and we did put in some good performances as well, and maybe it was just a puck of a ball in between some of the games. So some of the performances were there, so we'll just have to lean on that going into the weekend.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:19

And what's got like injury-weighted moment, you know, Karen do you have to hide?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:23

Yeah, I'm not sure. Will Karen be back for the weekend? She has a serious enough injury, but a couple of other girls did pick them up throughout the the championship, so other girls had to step in into their places, but a lot of them are coming right now at the right time. But yeah, hopefully now we'll have a full enough squad at the weekend.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:46

Yeah, really, I suppose just excitement, you know, to have the opportunity to play against uh a team who've been you know what they've been building over the last couple of years. They've been uh you know, they they really set the standard this year, you know, in the division one final. Very lucky to lose out to Galway All Ireland Champions, and um, you know, we're just looking forward to the opportunity to play against them in um in none other than Crowbark.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:06

Um, you've coming in with a hundred percent record after winning all the group games. I maybe this year's team is a bit of a tradition here for Klikinny, but you've been going all right since like actually bouncing back from the disappointment maybe in the league and the enter championship. But you can go on flying as a final championship anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:20

Yeah, and look, I suppose we can only play the the like you said, that we're in the tier two and the five the five games that we had. We know it's brilliant to be able to build that momentum, and we're really looking forward now to to the to the quarter final knowing that we've had you know built that kind of supposed together with that spirit amongst the panel and uh suppose that winning feeling. And like you said, bouncing back from the disappointment of the the Leinster Championship. I suppose that was uh you know an awakening for us to to kind of say that you know there's nothing really between the teams anymore, uh you know, at the at senior level, and you know, any day that you're a little bit off of it, you know, you've you've the chance being beaten.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:56

And what feelings of the new championship formal have been like how you found it on the cleaning, what are you thinking now about it?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:05

Yeah, look, I suppose you'll have different perspectives of it, you know, from teams that are in tier one in comparison to teams that are in tier two from our from our our point of view. We know it's been great. We've had five five tough matches, and we've come out the right side of all five of them. We've built a bit of momentum, a bit of confidence amongst the panel, and we're really looking forward to to the to the weekend to kind of build on what we've what we've already been doing this year.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:26

I know if you look at the very tough game against Waterford. You know what I've been you saying, they're knocking on the door to last year. They've got some great players throughout the team in there. So it'll be a really tough game, like and you'll have uh probably up your performance a bit from what you would have been at maybe in book two of the championship.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:43

Yeah, absolutely. Like you said, they're they're a tier one team. They're they've been knocking on the door the last couple of years, you know. They've been in the all-armed final and like I said, lost out narrowly to Galway in the in the division one final. So if we don't if we don't up it, you know, it just won't be good enough on the day. So you know it's that's a real test for us now to see if we can get up to that level of tier one.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:03

How how are you feeling now going into the quarter final at the end? Tough challenge against Kilkenny.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:07

Yeah, it definitely is going to be a big challenge now against Kilkenny. You know, they're a strong side.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:11

And like goes to the group stage, but after a great start for being to worry about the 15th defeat against Galway and Corkwood, like obviously you were in the game, the one architecture. How are you feeling now in a camp like that at the group stage?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:23

Yeah, you know, we we we've pointed out what we need to work on, so we really need to be drilled in now this week, and you know, everyone needs to it's kind of like a reset, it's like a new championship now because it's either do or die, you're going home if you don't win, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:37

And yeah, yeah, to bring that intensity now for the rest of the championship. Suppose in the group stage, maybe you didn't have to go all out because you knew you were going to be in the knockout stage and so it's kind of up and the intensity and all that going.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:49

Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You know, the intensity has to increase from now. You know, we tried hard, we we did work hard in the championship, but now it's do or die, as you say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:01

Obviously, look, you've lost two finals this year and the league final and once a final. What's the confidence like how are you feeling now? Can you think you could get over the line if you do get to another final maybe? And how are you feeling?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:12

Yeah, they were hard, you know. They they they were hard, they hit home, they were hard, but I think you need to just park them games as well, you know, and you have to drive on each time. So I think the confidence is there, and you know, we we have the talent as well to go with it.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:27

And look as I said, you've been knocking on the door now for a few years, so and you're not that far off, like really. So maybe you're just the puck of a ball really away from getting that result. And do you think like if you could get a result like get to semi-final and then get results like against the corker or go away in the semi-final, would that be just what the team needs, like just get over the line and maybe help them go over the line in the final?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:47

Yeah, I think you're right there. It could come down to the puck of a ball, and also you know, get that get that one big win over Cork or Galway would definitely um give you a great boost.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:56

Yeah, how would things in the camp go ahead of the Derry game at the weekend?

SPEAKER_10 1:19:00

Yeah, they're good. We're really excited, I suppose. After the last day, we had a great win against Carlo, and we probably didn't probably weren't looking like we were gonna qualify. So, yeah, everyone's everyone's buzzing that we are where we are.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:11

And the other year so far, I don't think you lost the league final. You've come back, you've had a tough stage have been tough as well, like you know, but you managed to just get through, like so what's the confidence like in the squad now going on to the game?

SPEAKER_10 1:19:25

Yeah, I suppose we were we were on a great buzz after the league final because it's obviously where you want to be at that time of the year, and then we probably didn't do well in the lens or the first few rounds of championships, which kind of look were hard losses, but uh the win against Carlo has really lifted the mood and everyone is everyone's firing on all cylinders again.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:44

And like obviously to win in All Ireland it would be great for me to like what would it be not to do clear than all that just to get winning in All Ireland is obviously better, but yeah, I mean uh there's a only a few girls left on that team that would have won in 2017, so they know the feeling, and a few more of us would have been involved in 2023 when we got to the final, so we all know what it's like to be there, thereabouts.

SPEAKER_10 1:20:06

So to get over the line would be would be huge.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:09

How are you how are things in the camp after going into this part final against me? How would you feeling how are you feeling about the game?

SPEAKER_11 1:20:15

Oh really looking forward to it. It's the first bar obviously the provincial championships is the first knockout game we had championships, so definitely looking forward to it. And us and Meath have a long history and uh you know rivalry, so no, it would be very interesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:30

How the sound of the year has gone for you so far, like obviously drawing against down or preferring you two defeat as well.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:37

So I look I mean obviously we would have rather have been in the semi-final, but all you can do at the stage is learned. We've a lot of girls, we've I think it's 14 girls that have made their senior debut for Terry this year, which is huge in terms of turnover. So we're learning as we go, and you know, obviously you'd rather get the one on the day, but you're learning all the time, and no, we're definitely hopeful going into this game anyways. And we've we've learned loads so far, and we'll learn more from this game.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:03

And look how few prize from the final taken and two games away from a final thought and excitement there's obviously.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:10

Absolutely, absolutely, and like that's the thing about knockout Komoge now at this stage. Like, you know, you just need to look at the next game and if you get the result there, then look to the next one. And like if you look at even we're getting a lot of inspiration from our our own hurlers. They were rode off at the start of the year and they won they managed to win the cross the ring this year, like when no one believed in them. So just one game at a time and we'll see how we get on.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:31

And what would it mean to Derry Kamogey to get to an all-and-a-final maybe?

SPEAKER_11 1:21:36

Um yeah, be freaking deadly, like do you know. We we've as I said, we've massive turnover this year, a lot of youngers, and not you know, we've been rode off by a lot of people over the past few years. Like, so rebuilding and like Derek Moge, if you know if you if you look at the club season, we're in a great place in terms of competitiveness in all the divisions, like so no, we'll bring a lot of belief to the club to the county and definitely a stepping stone then onto the further years.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:07

Yeah, no, training is going well and everyone's really excited, you know. I suppose we were at the start of the year, we just you know wanted to kind of keep up out keep in the intermediate, you know, championship this year after winning the All Ireland last year. So yeah, we're we're really excited for Sunday and uh everyone's all set to go.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:23

Obviously, leash bunk is going well at the moment, like winning the junior last year. I thought that maybe you weren't expected to win all three games in the championship, but you've done that so far, so you're on a good roll, like so you're coming in full of confidence anyway into the quarterfinal to the end.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:36

Yeah, yeah, I suppose the the last day against we Westmead was probably our our best performance, and it's great that that kind of was our our best performance, you know, coming into this weekend, I suppose. And yeah, like winning the last three games was a massive boost for us, and I think the confidence is really bro growing in the group, you know, coming out of them three wins. So hopefully that can drive us on on Sunday. Yeah, look, we know down it's going to be a massive challenge for us. You know, they're very physical team, and they were obviously competing in the Division 1B league, so it's a big step-up for us on Sunday, definitely, but we're definitely going to relish that and you know, surely go out and for the win.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:15

And like other things that we said, you know they weren't expecting to win the group and that went to a part final now. It's kind of like put the aim for the year I would be looking out to go on, maybe push on maybe get to the central final. See where you go from there.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:27

Yeah, 100%. Like, look, as we said, like this is bonus territory for us probably at this time, but uh I definitely think the confidence is has after really building in the group and I there's massive capabilities in this in this group of uh of us and I think if we could get over now Sunday, like I think there's definitely no you know, we could definitely be back here in August.