S01E07: It Happened One Night

On the review block tonight it's the first comedy to win Oscar's highest honor: It Happened One Night.  Also we answer some film related questions that were flung in our direction and we decide the greatest actor of all time in a very scientific manner.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Hello and welcome to another episode of Cinema Social Club. I'm Cameron, and joining me this week are my co-hosts, Glenn, Sarah, and Elisa, all back together again after three long weeks. And on this week's episode, we will be looking at the first comedy to win Best Picture Oscar. It's 1934's It Happened One Night, but before we get to that, it's time for your weekly dose of entertainment news. And it was announced that Bradley Cooper has decided on his next vanity project, and it's not necessarily what you would expect. He has agreed to direct and star in the latest Ocean's Eleven film. The film is going to be a prequel to the film franchise, but will feature none of the cast of characters you've grown to love. But don't worry, with Cooper at the helm, what the film lacks in charm and chemistry, it will make up for in unneeded melodramatic backstories. Another week and another disappointing big picture debut falling on the heels of the box office disappointment that is Wonder Girl comes the latest Minions film, this one being Minions and Monsters, opening to the lowest box office of any film in the franchise. And finally, Kevin Costner's Western Epic Dances with Wolves is being re-released as a director's cut. Coming in at four hours long, the film restores much of the emotionless, meandering voiceovers that had been cut from the original. At least that's what I assume. And now, for this past weekend's box office top five, at number five, and still holding on, and thankfully not obsession, it's the Steven Spielberg Alien Flick Disclosure Day. At number four, and with a cataclysmic 77% box office drop from the previous weekend, it's Supergirl, apparently with the emphasis slightly less on the super part. At number three, we have the biopic Young Washington, the film that tells the story of a pre-Revolutionary War George Washington. The film seems to be yet another cultural dividing point between those who love America and freedom and those who hate America and are communists. It's worth noting that the bulk of the film takes place during the French and Indian War, a conflict between Great Britain and France, which notably failed to include either Americans or communists. Lack of forethought, I suppose. At number two, and slipping from the number one slot in its third weekend, it's Toy Story 5. And this film too seems to be dividing people between those who can't fathom how they make a fifth four Toy Story film and those who like the fact that Randy Newman is still getting some work. And finally, at number one, we have Minions and Monsters. And yes, we live in a world where a film can open at the top of the box office and still be considered a disappointment. And with that, your entertainment news wrap-up out of the way. We move on. But before we review our film this week, we have a podcast discussion. And this week it involves listener-submitted questions. And by listeners, I mean random people I asked to give me a question.

unknown 3:30

Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

And my podcast hosts will now field them for you all. Oh man. First question. And by the way, these are sort of quickfire kind of things. Don't overthink it. Don't overanalyze. Got it. Don't have to be deep. Just first thoughts off the top of your head. Love it. First question. Do you still love movies as much as you used to? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

I'm really going to have to think about it. I do. I love movies as much as I used to. I absolutely still love movies as much as I used to.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

I love movies as much as I ever have. Maybe more.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

I was going to say, if any people have them more, because now I'm.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Yeah, I think I like them more. I'm good with you on that one too, because I have a much wider range of movies that I like now than I'm used to. So yeah, I'm enjoying all kinds of movies. I'm trying to widen my range to aliens and more revenge picks.

SPEAKER_01 4:38

I'm apparently the odd man out because I would answer that question as no. Interesting. I used to watch movies all the time. I now very rarely watch movies for this podcast, obviously, and maybe one or two a week outside of this.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Do you prefer series?

SPEAKER_01 4:52

No.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Just in general, you just don't enjoy watching. That's fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

Yeah. Isn't that kind of weird that you're doing a movie podcast?

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Look, I don't want to have to fire you from like the. We can't overthink this. We just said we can't overanalyze. Second question, moving quickly on. What is the weirdest film you've ever seen?

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Oh, God. The weirdest film I've ever seen might have been in a previous podcast incarnation.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

I think I know what you're going with. Well, maybe. I don't know. The other side of the wind?

SPEAKER_00 5:24

The other side of the wind was one of the five that I thought the one that we Well, you had five come to the top of your head. Oh, I mean, I thought of that children shouldn't play with dead things. Didn't we watch one about a bed that ate people? Oh, yeah, we did. We did a long time ago. And and the werewolf of Washington was another one.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Well, we're not allowed to say the name of that film.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah, we gotta edit that part.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

So I'm pretty sure three of those films were before Sarah was on the film.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Yeah, I was gonna say I didn't watch the bed eating one. The children shouldn't play with dead things. Because that was that like horror movie with the like kids in a cabin or whatever. They were camping in the woods.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

But I think you were I think you were a guest host. I might have been a guest at that point.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

That might predate even me.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Yeah. Um and you definitely didn't see the one where the bed ate people.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

No, I for sure didn't see the one. I saw the thing where the other thing ate people. And that was also a weird movie. You all watched together.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

No.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Oh. Um I have seen.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

They're just Glenn's picks happen to be ones I've seen.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Fair enough. I would say weird films. Pretty high on that list. Sulburn's a weird movie. And I would put Solburn in a higher category only than the other ones I've seen, only because the other ones that I'm thinking of, like Tusk and Teeth and Rubber and like all of those types of movies, they're meant to be weird. Like they are meant to be super over the top and very although I will say rubber cinematically oddly gorgeous for just being like a rubber tire that's rolling, killing people. Oh my god. Um, but yeah, probably those four. And then Saltburn is the one that probably has had the most like broad success that is also super, super weird.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Uh I would probably throw the lighthouse on that list as well. Oh god, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

That's a weird one. The shape of water. Yeah, weird. And and these aren't bad films, right? These are just weird.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

That's just freaking tell tourism.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

Yeah. Is it bad film or not? But it is weird. I think it's weirder than Saltburn.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

Oh, it's definitely weirder than Saltburn. It's definitely weird than Saltburn. Saltburn's weird. Weird and good, though. I will say I am in the camp, and I think Cam is in the camp. We're thoroughly enjoyed Saltburn. I thought it was really good, and it was the right kind of weird for what the kind of film was.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

I think that's an age divide thing. Yeah, it's fair. You don't like it either.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

It's guard me. Glenn.

SPEAKER_01 7:41

It's the same.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

It's just a highly truly is just an edgy version of Brideshead revisited. Honestly. Like it really is. Which is our super intense version of Bride's Head.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

It's like if you took like Wuthering Heights and Yeah. Actually, it's a adaptation of Wuthering Heights. Isn't it a thousand times removed from Saltburn?

SPEAKER_02 8:00

And it's the same director. Yeah. So that tracks.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Um I this is a recency bias just because I saw the film a couple weeks ago. Uh, the original, not the remake, the original Wicker Man, I would say. Oh, yeah. It's a very weird film. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Uh some animated films I've seen in the past have been sort of weird. But I love like the triplets of Belleville. Yeah, that's a good one. Really strange movie, but it's really good.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

Fever dream that name drop Isaiah recommended to us. Someone's Dreamland.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

Oh no, that wasn't Isaiah that was.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

Was that not Isaiah? Okay. Someone recommended that to us. Right, right. Okay. Slumber was in Dreamland, I just think. Oh, is the kids? It was the kid's name in Slumberland. Slumberland.

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Yeah, that was very strange.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

That movie was insane.

SPEAKER_04 8:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

All of the Shark NATO movies. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

Yeah, but that's on purpose. I don't think they're strange. They're just they're just made as bad films. They're intentional. And that's why I like I think about like Tusk and Teeth. All of those movies are just meant to be like weird over-the-top films.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Tusk is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Human centipede's another one. Yes. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

Yeah. It's a weird one.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Uh, question number three if you only had one film you could watch for the rest of your life, what would it be?

SPEAKER_03 9:11

That is an impossible metal opening your eyes.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

It is an impossible.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Presumably, if you picked the movie, you wouldn't want metal having to force you to watch it because it would be one that you'd like to watch.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

That's true. I will say it is an impossible question, and as I said that, I immediately had an L.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Only Elisa would pick a movie she hates. That's the only film she could watch from the rest of the whole. What's yours?

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Honestly, and again, I know I come back to this movie all the time and I don't care because it's one of my favorite books. 2005 Pride and Prejudice. I never get sick of that film. I never get sick of that film. The acting is incredible because I was like, do I want an action film? But you kind of get tired of that. Do I want a horror? God no, I can't watch horror for the rest of my life. Pride and Prejudice is just a nice, it's like walking into a warm blanket and working. There's more horror in that film, though. There is some horror in that film.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

Mostly Tom Hollander's character. Trying and failing to I have never been so horrifically put off by awkwardness.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

That and American President would be the two for me.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Actually, Tom Hollander in that movie is more sympathetic than the portrayals in the other versions of the 100%.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

That is the most sympathetic version of him. I know you asked for one, my three. Pride and Prejudice, American President, Open Range. Okay. Those would be the three that I couldn't choose between.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Mine's not the one that everybody would think it would be. 2001, a Space Odyssey, because it's just too serious. I would have to have something that's that makes me laugh more. Fair enough. And one I'm on a kick with right now, and I will re-watch it very soon. Um It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. That's a movie I go back to the book.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

I go back to you and takes up about a half a day.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Yeah, I go back to it all the time. I love it. It's a time period that I think was just fantastic, and it's a funny movie. It makes me laugh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

That's a good one. This is so bizarre. And I'm not going to go into the reasons I'm picking it, but Grateful Nation affects you. It would be um, I guess I mean you you had something.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Why didn't you be an insane revenge flick? Out with it, woman. Out with it.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

Because it's an insane revenge flick.

SPEAKER_03 11:17

It's not an insane revenge flick.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

It is um Wizard of Oz. Oh, there it is. Okay, that's not as ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

As controversial as I thought it was gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

It kind of is a revenge film.

SPEAKER_03 11:29

It's not a movie that I would watch because I enjoy it immensely cinematically. It just has so many um emotional ties and memories for me. That's fair enough. That's the only reason.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Now that is a film where you'd have to pry my eyes open with metal.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

That's a little bit of a tough one for me. But I received.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Lawrence of Arabia, but again, uh, I don't know. Uh I'm gonna go with all the presents, man, because it's the film I currently watch the most. Okay. Yeah, that's all. It would scratch my politics itch. Also, I'm just Richard Nixon's fascinating, even though he's not really in it, but he is a character. Uh question number four. What film would you most like to see remade?

SPEAKER_02 12:25

Oh. That's a tough one. Oh that is a tough one.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

Um I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb and say uh the one that got a 1.0 or 1.5 on our scores.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

Uh the Broadway melody. It's sort of been remade. Yeah, it's been remade a bunch of times.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

I would like to see that done well.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah, I'm not sure it's possible.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Well, and it's funny because I also immediately, my off-the-cuff response was one that we also watched on the podcast because I talked about this on the podcast. I would love a remake of Grand Hotel.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

Yeah, yeah, I would love that.

SPEAKER_02 13:09

More in-depth, colorized, pick a different kind of hotel, have all the different characters. I just feel like there's a lot more you could do with a story like that now. And I think it'd be so fun to see it like little. You could exactly like it you can make it into a show if you wanted to, but I just feel like that, and a lot of people have done hotel type stories, but that story specifically, I just think would be so fun to go back to.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

You're right. Yeah, you can go next because I'm still trying to think of one.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Uh I would go with because it's it's maybe the most disappointing movie viewing experience I've ever had. I would say I would like to see Napoleon remade, except much better and with actual the historical merit.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

And without white being Phoenix, wouldn't that be so much?

SPEAKER_01 13:56

And with like an age-appropriate Napoleon.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

This is tough for me. Well, one of one of my favorite older movies, because I'm a big universal horror movie fan, uh monster movie fan, is The Creature from the Black Lagoon. Oh, yeah. I would love to see that done better. And then some people say the shape of water is the creature from the black lagoon remote. For sure it's not. It's not even remotely. That and the other one that came to me, there was a movie I thought was a great concept, good movie idea back in the 1980s, Robocop.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

One, two, and three, all were just not done well for me. I uh I didn't like them how they were done. That could be a great concept if it was just done straightforward, better, without Creature and Robocop.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

Although basically we're living in Robocop now.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Yeah, so just any documentary about today.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

This is a docuseries. Yeah. I forgot about RoboCop. I kind of like the first one. I kind of like it, but it's not that good. No, but like it needs to be done better. There are elements of enjoyable, and it's a good popcorn flick. Yeah. Yes. It's it's not exactly the terminator, but it's you know. Uh question number five. Yes. Has the Marvel phenomenon damaged filmmaking? That's a very arrogant question. I forget who asked that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

I don't think it's done in any favors.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

No.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

I think it's it's it's caused it's inflated one of the big problems I have with Hollywood, and that is you got a bunch of people in suits just looking for a cash grab. Yeah, yeah. And thinking short term and just trying to, you know, keep the uh shareholders happy. Yeah, which is bizarre because those Marvel movies aren't even cash grabs. They're not doing well. But they're but that was the idea behind the cinematic universe was to just cash in on something that was popular, and I think that has been a big problem. So I I don't think it's done movies any favor, and I am so sick of them, like really beyond sick of them.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

I don't I don't think it's done movies any favors. I don't know that it's necessarily done any harm, only because I think that people are very aware of the the shine having worn off. Like, and I this is speaking as a big Marvel fan, like I really like my generation of Marvel movies, so like Iron Man to the last Avengers movie, to me, those were actually very good films. And I think it did, it paid homage to the franchise, it did a great job telling Marvel stories, and it didn't just completely inundate viewers with content after content after content after content. If anything, I think Marvel television is ruining Marvel cinema. Yeah, it could be because you have to watch the shows in order to have any understanding of the new films. And I think the moment that that happened, you had a huge audience that just backed away from it because that's what I did. And I was a die hard Marvel fan up until the last Avengers movie. And then when everything got onto the streaming platforms and it was just like story after story after story without it actually adding anything, I think the viewers who were big fans of that original franchise are able to recognize like this isn't adding anything, and this is a cash grab. So I think the audience is doing a pretty good job of. I mean, the fact that Supergirl has done horribly just speaks to the fact that Marvel and Well, and DC has never done one thing. DC's never been able to gain traction, but I do think the shine has worn off of superheroes enough that if anything, until they make a genuinely good film, people just aren't going to be interested.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

The nice thing they did for movies is they actually made superheroes good. Yeah, did superheroes well. Because I grew up in an era where any superhero movie you saw from Spider-Man. What?

SPEAKER_01 17:36

The original Batman.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Oh, the original Batman was good. Well, DC was DC.

SPEAKER_04 17:40

DC really good.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

It did have Spider-Man movies when I was younger. They had um well, they had a Hulk TV show. All the animated shows just famously Superman badly. Yeah. Well, the Superman movies, the first two, great. Yeah. But you know, so they have done superheroes a lot better.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

100%.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

But then you're right. They the streamings have ruined the streamings have ruined the Star Wars universe, in my opinion, as well.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Are we seeing the Well, to be fair, I think George Lucas ruined the Star Wars universe, but are we seeing this in the box office numbers?

SPEAKER_03 18:16

I I agree with Glenn. I think they do it just for the cash grab. Yeah. But are they not getting it anymore? I don't think they're getting it anymore.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Well, you look at things like it was Madame Webb, uh, Madame Webb's Marvel, right? Tanks. Yeah, I mean really bad.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Well, that's because the problem is you run out of the the household name ones pretty quickly. Like, why would DC choose to try to reboot their movie franchise with Supergirl? Right, I'm assuming. Which is a character that arguably no one has heard of other than tangentially related to Superman. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

So not that I'm arguing for any new Superman or Batman films, but I'm saying if it continues to tank, are they gonna be completely out of movie making anymore?

SPEAKER_02 18:59

I think what they're trying to do right now is figure out if they can like relaunch the next generation of Avengers. And I will say the one franchise within Marvel that is genuinely giving me hope is Spider-Man because those are still great movies. Those have managed to keep that magic, keep that original friendly neighborhood Spider-Man energy, and all of them have managed to do that.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Well, it doesn't hurt those ones weren't that great.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Exactly. There's not, I was gonna say the bar was pretty low. If anything they've improved massively, but that's it. The rest, and I think they kind of know that. So they're throwing a lot into Spider-Man to try to kind of bring things back. But no, I think everyone kind of knows that it's just popcorn stuff, and I don't think it's affecting the only thing maybe it's affecting is the actors who are in these Marvel films trying to get work after the fact, because all anyone knows them as are these various Marvel characters.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

But that's also a problem for Marvel because now people associate like Iron Man is Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, now it loves it. They're gonna be like, who's this? This isn't.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

Well, they're just gonna do what Marvel loves to do, and they're gonna shuffle Robert Downey Jr. to play Doom in this next movie.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

They just like to use the same people. I mean, it's helped Robert Downey Jr. out.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

It has. Um, but yeah, I don't think anyone takes it seriously anymore.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

And now, with those questions out of the way, and thank you for the questions, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

To the people who probably don't want to be.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Thank you to the people.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

Uh and now we move on to our review for this week and continuing our series of rating every best picture Oscar winner, we've arrived at the first, and let's be honest, relatively few comedies to win Best Picture. And it is the Frank Capra directed It Happened One Night, starring Clark Gable and Claudette Colbert. The film proved a critical hit, and also, although not necessarily at first a popular film among moviegoers, in fact it would end up being Columbia Pictures' biggest hit until the latter half of the 1980s. It has also proven ridiculously influential, with many films parodying it, and others, if we're being less kind, outright stealing from it. It spawned remakes in the form of musicals, radio programs, a forgettable Jack Lemon film, and at least half a dozen Bollywood titles. Today it is considered one of the greatest films ever made. But what did our humble little podcast think of the film? Well, we will find out now as I bring on Glen Sarah and Elisa to discuss thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

Sorry, I keep getting texts from someone who's telling me about a new movie. So we'll go back to the film we watched tonight. Sadly, no. Um I've I've seen this is the movie so far of the movie we've seen that I've watched the most times. I've probably seen it half a dozen times and I've watched it recently. Um indeed tonight. Yeah, indeed. Yes, yeah. Oh my gosh, I forgot that was tonight. It was very recently, Grandpa. Um Get his meds, get his meds. So I it's a movie I enjoy uh immensely. I I was looking forward to seeing everybody else's reactions to it tonight, as a matter of fact. So I'm gonna let them start.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Yes, I mean it's a film I've seen too. Sure. But the two of you I don't think have seen it.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

I have not seen it. Or at least it's been a long time if I have seen it. So it's not anything in my waking memory.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

I had not seen it before. And sadly, I had much higher hopes for it.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Um, I knew that it was gonna be a comedy. I was excited about that. And on the whole, I I didn't think it was very funny.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Um it was the eyebrows, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 22:30

It was probably the eyebrows.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

I just that was my first reaction was yeah, I had a smile on my face, but I wasn't like this this is a breakthrough in filmmaking. It it's the comedy, this is what everything's gonna be based on in the future. Sure. I didn't think it was that funny.

SPEAKER_00 22:49

So expectations were not meant.

SPEAKER_03 22:51

Expectations were definitely not met.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

And that's funny because you and I had a similar experience, but you and I have come away from it differently because I went into it expecting what I am used to out of old comedy, which is a lot of slapstick.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Hey, Carrie Grant screwballs.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

Yeah, I was expecting a lot of screwball, and this was not a screwball comedy, really. Like there were maybe a couple of screwball moments.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

It's classified as a screwball comedy, but I agree it's not really the one.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

And I was actually very pleasantly surprised by the lack of screwball comedy with it because I actually think it gave me a chance to get more into the characters and get more into the situation and into the story without being pulled out by some very like forced slapstick. It was definitely more chunk tongue-in-cheek than it was slapstick humor.

SPEAKER_03 23:38

And I think there was there was a lot of witty writing.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah, it's more comedy than it is a sort of slap.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

And I think because of that, I liked it more. I was expecting a screwball comedy and not a more kind of clever tongue-in-cheek relationship comedy that almost felt more modern in the way that it was told versus what I have come to expect out of like old comedy.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

It was seen as very modern, yeah, even when it was made.

SPEAKER_00 24:07

So yeah, they were they were known back then as um like the the witty banter was a big part of the 1930s movies, comedies, even the screwball screwball comedies, that witty repartee back and forth, you know, and they make the character at Catherine Hepburn.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Yes, and the thin man and William Powell and I could see how this would be the blueprint for that, for sure, in many ways, if this was considered to be a turning point in film, or at least considered to be a defining film.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

It was. Yeah. Yeah. The Thin Man does it better.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

I think I do believe the the banter is so much better.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

This is a this is a better film story-wise. Yeah. The Thin Man is better in terms of that sort of back and forth.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

Um but yeah, it's it's a it's a smart movie. Well, you I mean, you're looking at who's directed it, Frank Capra. This isn't this is early Frank Frank Capra. Um this is not you know pre-World War II, Frank Capra.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Pre- It's a wonderful life. Pre-effective Mr. Smith goes to Washington.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yeah, he had not yet been to the war, and his his and he was still a budding filmmaker back then and a budding director, but and you had a young, really young-ish, 34 years old, we we said Clark Abel was, and I won't Claude Colbert, 33. She had been doing it for a while. So um their on-screen chemistry, I think, was pretty good for the time period, and it was supposed to be obviously one where don't like one another, and slowly as the movie goes on, they fall in love, la la la. I think that was done really well and done in a funny way. So I I thought it was funny, but not in the way we're used to comedies. Yeah, so it's it's humor of a different era, and even for then it was probably done a little bit differently.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

And I would argue it's a way different comedy than you would get during that time period. Absolutely. It's it's kind of more of an almost 70s sort of period comedy, right? Uh and it's a it's a prof it's a production that lives and dies on its two main actors. 1000%. And I would say one of them was very good and the other one was good.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

Can I I feel the same way? Okay, and I want to say that I thought Claudette Colbert was not the better actress.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Correct. I felt her part could have re been recast by a slightly better comedic actress. Yeah, I thought he was she was fabulous. He was very good.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

The woman that played the editor's uh secretary.

SPEAKER_03 26:39

Honestly, she was great. She was great for putting little shoes in it. Well, I'm glad we agree on that one.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

I mean, I think she was sort of she was you could switch her out with half of the leading ladies of the high.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

I was never a big fan of Claudette Colbert's, um, but I thought she was really I thought she was good in this. She's good, but yeah, yeah, I think but she's up against one of Clark Gable's, I would argue, best roles.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

Yeah. Yeah. Even though it's the rare comedy in his rapids for that.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

I also I think she hammed it up a little bit more than anyone else did, um, just in terms of the just the drama like the scenes where she was meant to be emoting, she was emoting as much as a person could possibly emote. Um, and she just I think brought something a little bit more hammy and campy to the performance, whereas everyone else played it pretty straight for being a comedy.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah, I mean she was playing it like she was in a Cary Grant, Catherine Hackstein. And it kind of stood out a little bit. Yeah, and Clark Gable was playing it like he was in a Clark Gable film.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

He was, he was playing it pretty straight. And so was kind of everybody else.

SPEAKER_01 27:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

I liked the dad.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

The dad was great. I liked the dad back now. Yeah, and actually I liked the newspaper editor as well.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Yeah, he was also nice, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Although he had very extremes. I mean, uh he was either really upset or very kind, or very kind, and super controlling or whatever you want, dear, as long as you're in love.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Which one is this gonna be?

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Uh I will say this is also sort of like a buddy travel comedy. Yeah, absolutely. For sure. Very planes, trains, and automobiles.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Yep, you're forced to be together and whatever comes out of it.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Well, sort of forced.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Well, you say both of them definitely could have left at any time.

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Yeah, but but yeah, then it wouldn't be a movie.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

Well, exactly. You gotta have the movie magic to force the two of them together, for sure. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

I will say pacing wise, there was parts of it I felt could have been tweaked slightly. I thought some of the stuff in the walls of Jericho scenes tended to play out a little longer than they needed to.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Um and then other parts were like really snappy, so it sort of threw you off. Um but other than that, dialogue was good in in for most for the most part. I thought that I thought their relationship could have been developed a little better because by the time that might just be like her acting in it. I don't know, because by the time she said I love you, it was not convincing to me. Absolutely. And that was kind of problematic for me. Like I was convinced that he felt something for her. For sure. But I was never really convinced by her character.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

No, and they didn't have a ton of I didn't feel like they had a ton of chemistry. I think Carrie Grant could probably or not got to be.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

I think Clark Abel would have chemistry with anyway.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

And I don't even know that it's fair to say that she was the issue or if it was the writing or something, just wasn't just clicking. Um but yeah, I agree. The chemistry, especially when she's suddenly professing her love and is ready to throw everything away, felt a little abrupt and a little not believable. It wasn't. Had he done it, I would have been like, yeah, that makes sense. You've been yearning for her for days, but her doing it kind of came out of left field.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Well, and the whole elopement wedding plot line was a little like, all right, all right, I guess no one wants this. Why are we still continuing along with this thing? It's a bit like White Christmas, where you're like, one conversation would clear this entire problem up. Everyone steadfastly refuses to have it, so we can drag this turkey along quickly for another hour and 40 minutes.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Thank God for the father who finally connected all the pieces. But yeah. Um, but other than that, uh, we would just go on to our uh four rating categories, do it, uh, which are visuals, story, acting, and rewatchability. We rate them all out of five. Yeah. A collective decision. Good luck with that. Um then so film can get the best it can get is a 20 out of 20, and the worst it can get is a zero out of twenty. And boy, did the Broadway melody try.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

It did its best.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Uh we'll start with visuals.

unknown 31:00

Visuals.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

I I think for for me, the visual visuals in our categories are the weakest part. Um I thought it looked okay. Sure. I I didn't notice any great camera work, I didn't notice anything that put me in um the place they were very well.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Yeah, the only things I noticed like was when she was talking through the wall of Jericho and he was in shadow up on the corner. That was cool. I did notice that.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Yeah, and and that stood out. Uh but not much stood out for me visually in this movie, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Well, and it's also tough because a lot of times for us, this is like costuming, but they're on the run, so they only have one outfit.

SPEAKER_03 31:40

They don't really I was gonna say there nothing stood out.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

The rope was quite nice. I will, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:47

The rope was beautiful. Um, the rope is gorgeous. I will say though, the flip side of that coin is nothing stood out as bad. Not bad either. Either it was just like it was a there's nothing exceptional. Except for the police. There was not a single jarring. It was intense. But there's not much I would change about it visually. It just kind of did what it was supposed to do. I would probably land at like a three and a half, only because I'm I'm like between a three and a three and a half, because I definitely don't want to give it a four because there was nothing like stunning and exceptional about it, but I don't want to give it like a two because there was nothing wrong with it. It just did what it was supposed to do and it wasn't meant to be a visually stunning film.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

For a movie for me, as for a movie as good as it is, I wouldn't give it higher than a two and a half.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Visual visually, it disappoints me still. Interesting. Okay. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

So I'm at a three and a half, he's at a two and a half.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

I'm knocking a half a point off for the fact that Philly looked suspiciously like California. That's true. I don't remember that many palm trees in Philadelphia, but you know.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

I I was gonna come in at two and a half for the same reasons. Nothing bad about it, nothing fabulous. It it was just there.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

Yeah, I'm probably at about a two and a half three and a half.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

Two and a half is fine with me for visuals.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

Uh story.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

Simple, simple, play straightforward plot.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Yeah. Um and it did execute at said plot without much deviation. It did. It's a really simple concept.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

But even in our discussion, we're we're not like hyped up about it.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

I like the story. I'm waiting to hear what you guys say.

SPEAKER_02 33:26

I would I mean, I again the it's it this is like a bit of a weird one because it wasn't this was by no stretch of the imagination a bad movie. But when you start to like really break it down to individual categories, the storyline was good and it was executed the way it was supposed to be, but it's not like it was the most revolutionary, interesting storyline I've ever experienced. So for me, it'd probably be again, I'm gonna go three and a half because that's like a B plus.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

A B plus feels fair. It's also a comedy, so how much are you really expecting much of a storyline anyway?

SPEAKER_03 33:57

But the fact that it was billed or looked at by the Academy as like a groundbreaking comedy.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Well, it could have been a weak week year as well.

SPEAKER_03 34:09

In which other comedies like that we talked about were were based on that model. Like it was groundbreaking then, and I and I don't see that at all. And and I can only come in at again a two and a half for story.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

I I like the story. Yeah, I've always liked the story. I thought it was a good story, well told. Yeah, I like the they added a little bit to it to make it a little bit dicier. Um, with will she go back to the guy, won't she go back to the guy, will dad, you know, eventually come across as a decent human being. And I like the story, the way they told the story of how they eventually came together, except for her abrupt change. Yeah, I thought was really good. So I give this a four for story. Um at least it's gonna blow up.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

At least it's world up. You've apparently blown her.

SPEAKER_00 35:05

I just like the story. And again, I put myself in the in the time period. I have to put myself in the time period.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

I'm closer to Glenn.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

Um is this a girl thing?

SPEAKER_02 35:18

I mean, I said three and a half, so I'm not that far away from where Glenn is. I said three point. This might just be a you thing. Because I don't have a problem with a simple thing. No, I said three and a half. I don't have a problem with a simple story as long as it is told well. I'm fine with a simple story.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

I part of me would almost prefer if they didn't have the conflict in it. I almost don't disagree with that. Let's be honest, kind of fake controversy into it that none of us are particularly buying anyway.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah, a sweet road trip love story would have also been good.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

So if you if you cut that little bit out, the actual story between the two of them is quite fun.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Uh what what there is of one. Uh I'm probably at a I'm like at a three and a half.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

All right, so we've got two 3.5s, a four, and a 2.5.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

3.5.5.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

3.5, I like it.

unknown 36:14

Works.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

We'll we'll slice out the low number of those. Uh acting.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

Brilliant. Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

It is good acting. It's good acting for 1934. It's good acting now. Clark Clark Gable was excellent.

SPEAKER_01 36:31

He was I was gonna say Clark Gable's the type of actor that you could probably take out of that and put in today and would still kind of be fine. I think so.

SPEAKER_03 36:39

Even all the extras. Oh, yeah, the people on the boat, the people at that camp stuff. The women in line for the shower were all like Alan Hale. I think everything was good. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

With the exception of King. I was can't I would I would knock King and I would knock her. Those would be the two people in it that I would probably knock. And unfortunately, like she is the main. Um, but again, I think everyone else did a good enough job that I wouldn't want to go below a four.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

Uh Elisa, did you give her a rating?

SPEAKER_03 37:15

No, but it's gonna be a three.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

Okay, Glenn.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

She just went on saying how much you loved it. That's a good score.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Uh yeah, I'm giving it a four, two. I mean, she's not bad enough to go lower than a four. That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_03 37:31

I thought three was good. It doesn't have to be perfect.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

You were incorrect. Well, you thought the visuals and the story were really bad, and you gave it a 2.5, which is only five away from the five.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

Alright, three and a half. We already read four anyway.

SPEAKER_01 37:47

Next season we'll figure out Elisa's rating system. Uh, rewatchability.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

This is easy one for me.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Let's not start with Elisa.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Yeah, easy one for me because I've we rewatched it a number of times. I would like I'd like introducing people to this movie. I've done it twice and both times people have enjoyed it. At least that's what they tell me. I wonder why I never see those people again. Um, I think it's rewatchable. You think that will work with Elisa? We just never see her again. It's it's a simple enough story that moves along pretty well that I, you know, if and it was on, I was changing channels, and it was on Turner Classic movies, and they were at the point where he was teaching her how to dunk a donut, and I just and I just stopped right there and watched the rest of the movie again. So it's for me, it's easily rewatchable. I wouldn't give it a five, but I'll give it a I'll give it a four.

SPEAKER_02 38:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 38:42

Also, if you want to know why Cary Grant is Kerry Grant, watch the cable from this film.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

Yeah, it's true. I see.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Because the every time I saw him, I'm like, oh, this is basically a Kerry Grant.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

Really, truly, though. It like you can completely see how we emulated him in pretty much everything that he's gonna do. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

Uh Sarah, rewatchability.

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Oh man. Rewatchability is always the hardest category for me because I don't have to want to re-watch a film to acknowledge that it is quite good. And that's the thing I'm struggling with right now. Because there are plenty of films that I will sit down, watch, love, and then be like, I don't know that I'll get anything more out of this with a second viewing.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

But if a film is really good and you want to rewatch it, doesn't that make it a better film?

SPEAKER_02 39:25

And that's the that is the question. Exactly. So I'm trying to decide is this one I'd want to re-watch? I if it came on on turn of Turner Classic movies, I wouldn't change the channel. Yeah. Would I actively seek it out? I don't know. So I'm gonna go. Oof. A two and a half feels harsh because I think I enjoyed the film more than that, but I can't, I don't know that I'm gonna watch it again.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

That's okay. I'm gonna go two. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:51

Uh what we all know Elisa would only not keep watching it if she couldn't find the remote that changed the channel.

SPEAKER_03 39:57

I was gonna say it comes across Turner. Click.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

So is that a zero or a one?

SPEAKER_03 40:03

Out of here. Um I I I would say two and a half to a three. Oh, well that's that's that's really high.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

I was gonna say, I literally said I would keep it on and gave it a two and a half. Yeah, and she would change a channel and give it a zero. Makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

Nothing about this makes sense. Uh I'm probably at a four. Fair. I don't want to trash it. So well, three and a half or well, three. Well, two and a half.

SPEAKER_02 40:34

She said two and a half, I said two and a half. Then you two said four. Four.

SPEAKER_01 40:37

So it's sort of like a three point two five. We don't do that. We'll round it. Three point five. So, oh that's a lot of.5s. The grand total for uh it's time for math, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

Oh god, yeah. We'll we'll vamp while he does math in his head. I'd be taken.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

Because I want to understand how we landed on the same. I was trying to be kind.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

So the grand total for It Happened One Night, placing it again, kind of in the comfy middle ground, slightly higher than Cavalcade, is a 13.5. We gave it a 0.5 higher than Cavalcade. That feels respectful. I'm okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

That feels fair. I didn't see Cavalcade.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

I'm glad you two are fine with it. And finally, we now turn to our fun and game segment. And uh, as promised from last week, uh and in honor of the fact that we are in the middle of the World Cup, which uh is currently in the round of 16 like that. Uh, we will continue our bracket of film stars. Uh Sarah, you missed the previous one where we did the. Glenn, would you like to reveal to Sarah who won our actress uh well, first of all, who would you guess of all the classic actress movie stars, who do you think would come out on top of a sweet 16 bracket?

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Classic actually movie actresses.

SPEAKER_01 41:59

Well, it's the AFI 100 stars. I was but they only picked people who have been dirt for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

So Dirt for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

And also Sophia Lorentz for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

That is a tough question. I'm trying to remember who was it Ingrid Bergman?

SPEAKER_01 42:13

Well, wait a give it away, Glenn.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

Because it would have been like Catherine Hepburn. It's always Catherine Hepburn. Ingrid Bergman, like any of Catherine Hepburn would have been in. Because I was trying to think of like where does classic land? Because then you get like Judy Dench and you get all of that. These are all second generation. This is like old Hollywood.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

She's too young for the list. Um we move on to actors uh this this evening. Uh similar situation applies. Okay. So it'd be a bracket.

SPEAKER_02 42:42

See how many of these people have going to seated.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

So it's the AFIs one through 16, and then it's seated as number one plays, number 16, etc. etc. So we start off with Humphrey Bogart, who is their number one on their list of greatest actors, up against Orson Wells, who is 16 on their list.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

I mean, to me, it's Humphrey Bogart pretty much immediately, but I'm open to discussion.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

I'm Huntry Humph Humphrey Bogart, I think.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

Yeah, pretty much immediately.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

I have to go with that.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

I'll go with the opinion of the group. I will say I think Orson Wells is a far wider ranging actor than Humphrey Bogart. I think Humphrey Bogart is playing good at playing a pretty specifically niche kind of person. Okay. Whereas Orson Wells basically you put makeup on him and he can play anything. Uh the fact that you go from Citizen Kane to like the corrupt cop in um what's the movie where he the third uh Charlton Heston. Oh Charlton Heston. Touch of Evil. Oh, Touch of Evil, yeah. Uh but I'll go with Humberboard. Uh I mean I have to. Otherwise otherwise this whole thing is rigged. Uh next up we have Spencer Tracy versus James Akagani. Now, keep in mind James Cagney is way better, a way better actor than anyone kind of knows or appreciates because everybody just sees him as like the either the stereotypically arch villainy sort of over the top or the sort of song and dance person. But I think he's I mean Spencer Tracy is also a phenomenal actor. He is and can also do all of those same things.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

I think AFI probably ranks Spencer Tracy higher. Oh, he's number two. Yeah. But I just, man, James Cagney. I've seen him do so many varied and different things. Sure. Including comedy. And and his all-around ability.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

You just like how he goes down a stairway. I love the way he goes down. He does go down a stairway great.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

But that's tough because I love Spencer Tracy. And I think he is fantastic and has done a wide variety of roles. Um he sort of has, I think his range is narrower than Cagney's.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

Well, he also has a period. Like early. Spencer Tracy is really just sort of he's trying to be a James Cagney type. Sure. It's when he gets into his sort of middle and more mature role period where he really sort of blossoms as an actor.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

My personal opinion, and I'm also just thinking of the various movies I've seen in them, and I think it might be an exposure thing, but I would probably go James Cagney. Just because I think I've seen red. Yeah, I was gonna say I think I've seen him in more things that I've thoroughly enjoyed.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

What was the one top of the world? Ma. One of the last movies he ever did. Oh, Mr. Roberts. Yeah. Um, one of the last movies he ever did was in the 80s. It was uh about America.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Oh, I think we did it for the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 45:46

No, because I wasn't there then if we did. Um I cannot remember the name of it.

SPEAKER_01 45:51

It's like a it's like a patriotic thing.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

Elizabeth, uh, what's her name from Downton Abbey is in it.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

It's his it's his big face period.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

Yeah, and it's her debut in movies.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

Big round face.

SPEAKER_00 46:03

Uh I terrible that I can't remember the name is.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

Continue talking about him while I find that I think the well might have run slightly out with James Cagney.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

What about you? Where have you landed? I love them both, and I'm gonna land on James Cagney. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

All right, that's two.

SPEAKER_01 46:20

Uh while Glenn figures this out, we'll go to the next uh I like it. It is Fred Astaire, Song and Dance Man, uh, up against Gregory Peck.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

Oh. Very different. Best known for the omen kind of person. This is pretty Ragtime. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:39

With Music by. I'll tell you, you don't have to go. Randy Newman. Nice. Randy Newman.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

Ragtime, when I saw ragtime, I got an entirely new level of appreciation for James Fagner.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

And that is that is that is late.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

That's why I will go with James Cagny. Sure.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Okay, well, we've already moved on.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

But but good, you were with the next one. I had to have a reason to say. Um, and now we're on to Spanister and Gregory Peck. I had an immediate answer. But and I think it's mostly based on the types of film I like versus maybe the I love Gregory Peck. He is, I mean, my guy.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

I was gonna say, you two are not going to be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 47:17

Are we gonna we're gonna be on different sides of it? I think that his I've every single time I have seen Gregory Peck in a film, I have just loved him.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

I know what one of your favorite films of his is too. Oh my god, Big Country.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

He's incredible in Big Country, and that's another, it's like a different kind of Western, and he's a different kind of cowboy in that film. And he does Gregory Peck does.

SPEAKER_01 47:37

He's a different kind of cowboy.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

But he just even in his drama roles and his action roles and his comedies on the rare occasion that he does comedies. I just really have always loved Gregory Peck as an actor.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

And I've believed every single performance.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

Don't love him in Roman Peck.

SPEAKER_02 47:55

Don't love him in that one. So he'd be mine.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

I sort of only am I sort of only liked Kill a Mockingbird as well. I know that's coming from the old man.

SPEAKER_03 48:04

Yeah. I thought we were on track.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

No, I absolutely knew you two were getting that separate.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Well that's that's a no-brainer. I like Fred Astera. I do, and I appreciate his talent. I just like Gregory Peck more as an a lot.

SPEAKER_03 48:17

But maybe again, it's more that I've seen Fredister in in, I guess he's been around longer, or maybe it's the same.

SPEAKER_00 48:29

Maybe a long career.

SPEAKER_03 48:30

I just feel like I've seen him in more, and I I really love him. Um, so I gotta go with Fred Astaire. That's totally fair.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

I say if we're going dancers, it would be Fred Astaire.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Yeah. Very much so.

SPEAKER_00 48:43

So I will surprise people who I like better is not who I'm going to pick.

SPEAKER_02 48:49

Interesting. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:50

I like Gregory Peck better.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

But you're gonna pick Fred Astaire.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

I'm gonna pick Fred Estare because I think his range is much wider, and and you see that at the latter part of his career from the movie Ghost Story to even the the m the movie The Towering Inferno, which he plays a pretty decent part in. He's a much better actor because that I and I look back to his early films, you know, where he's dancing and doing other things.

SPEAKER_03 49:16

But he also acted well in the films he danced in.

SPEAKER_00 49:19

I I mean just a dancer. Gregory Peck, I like more range much narrower to make it.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

Which is totally fair. And I think that that's true.

SPEAKER_00 49:29

I think he's the right man for all the roles he played and can't see anybody else doing him. Sure. Yeah. Um, and in the big country is great, but he's not that different in the big country than he is in other people's money or even Moby Dick.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

I also find him slightly wooden.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

And I think maybe they put him in roles where that works.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

Or just sort of he's the guy that they should have replaced Gary Cooper with in every Gary Cooper movie. He's better than Gary Cooper, but same type. He's that upstanding guy. And I love I like him better. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

But I'm happy to go Fred Asterra on this.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

Uh Fred Estare, it is. By the way, I have to apologize. Spencer Tracy was actually lower on the AFI list than James Kagging. James Kagkin was eighth, Spencer Tracy was ninth. Well, that's okay. Uh so far you are all in agreement with AFI. Uh because Fred Estare was number five on their list, which is quite high. It is, I think, for somebody predominantly known for dancing. I mean, he's a good actor, but uh not a bad jazz singer as well. Uh next up we have John Wayne up against basically anyone is better than John Wayne. Yeah, it's gonna be easy. It is Marlon Brando.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

Oh, come on. So easy. Sorry, John, you're out. You're out, dude.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

I don't think there's anyone on this list that would not be John Wayne, but there you go. Brando.

SPEAKER_02 50:44

At least it's being real quiet right now.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

I I was gonna go with Marlon Brando. Oh, very good then. That's what we all did. Well then she's just asleep.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

It seemed like you were gonna tell us something we didn't want to hear. So I didn't know if there was a problem.

SPEAKER_03 51:02

No, because I was thinking that there are some things that Marlon Brando's not great at. Oh, sure.

SPEAKER_01 51:09

No, but there's a ton of things John Wayne's not gonna do. Marlon Brando never tried to play Genghis Khan.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

But he's iconic, and I thought, oh, you're all gonna go for John Wayne.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

Oh god, no, we famously don't like him very much.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

They have the same number of Oscars, though. Perfect.

SPEAKER_03 51:25

It all worked out perfectly. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

Next up, James Stewart, aka Jimmy against Lawrence Olivier.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

Oh, that's easy.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Very different acting.

SPEAKER_03 51:36

See, I say that's easy now we're gonna come at the ups, right?

SPEAKER_01 51:40

Okay because everybody sees Lawrence Olivier in the sort of Hamlet Henry V. But there's like a later Lawrence Olivier where he's playing like gritty, sort of very interesting characters.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Oh my god, he was so so good. I mean, for me, it is Lawrence Olivier.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

It's for sure Lawrence Olivier. I do too, but it's definitely Lawrence Olivier.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

I mean, sentimentally, nine out of ten people are gonna go to Jimmy Stuart.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

He's a deeply, deeply lovable person.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

Yeah, Lawrence Olivier's.

SPEAKER_01 52:17

It depends on how you're doing the list, but in terms of acting, it's Lawrence Olivier.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

Yeah, it's Lawrence.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

It's Larry. I mean, he was also Larry. I mean, he's also a lord. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

It's also that. Well, that should not come into play.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

Uh sure. He's also the better stage actor. Yeah, it's all uh Gary Cooper. Good luck. Up against Henry Fonda.

SPEAKER_04 52:38

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 52:38

Henry Fonda.

SPEAKER_04 52:39

Henry Fonday.

SPEAKER_00 52:42

Henry Fonda can play the most avuncular, wonderful character and and like dad, and then he's a time.

SPEAKER_01 52:51

Oh my god. Oh no, once up at a time in the west in the west.

SPEAKER_02 52:54

He's terrifying.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

And he's just horrible. He's great. Terrifyingly badly scary.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

Uh next up, close to home on this episode, Clark Gable up against Charles Chaplin.

SPEAKER_00 53:07

Oh, I thought you were going to say Charles Lawton. No, Charles Lawton's not on the list set.

SPEAKER_03 53:11

I thought I was going to say Charles Nelson Riley. It would be interesting if he made the top sixteen.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

See, I almost feel like I need to not do this one. Because I don't have enough exposure to both of them personally. So my immediate instinct is Clark Cable. But I don't know how fair that is because my exposure to Charlie Chaplin is really just the like high camp, silent movie, intentionally overacting. And that's like a total in my mind.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

I would say he doesn't overact in the silent films.

SPEAKER_02 53:46

Yeah, and that's and maybe that's I yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

No, if anything, I find him a little melodramatic in the world. Interesting. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

So my lean is Clark Gable, but I don't know if that's an exposure thing or not. And that I just have not seen enough of Charlie Chaplin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

I mean, you would have have to have seen Charlie Chaplin in talkies as well as silent films. And I haven't.

SPEAKER_03 54:07

And I haven't either. So that's early Chaplin, later Chaplin.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

I mean they're all fairly similar because he's never really that. I just don't I'm not as hyped about Charlie Chaplin, but I think that's because I'm a Buster Keaton person. They're wildly different. Yeah. In as much as Buster Keaton's actually funny.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

Should we say should we sit this one out?

SPEAKER_00 54:30

I mean, you two probably have a broad enough.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

I was gonna say you two probably have a broad enough. My answer is Clark Gable. No, mine's Clark Gable too. Okay, I was gonna say if ultimately we've all landed, we're good.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

Uh next up, Gene Kelly. Again, Fred Astaire situation. Although I would actually argue Gene Kelly may be a better actor than Fred Astaire.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

I think he is.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

But we're not we're not there yet. Up against Cary Grant. Oh. That's a tough that's a tough one. For me, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

It's Cary Grant 100%. I I've his entire filmography. Yeah. He's able to do different things very well. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

I mean, I love Cary Grant. I'm obsessed with Kerry Grant. I don't know that he's that broad an actor. And again, this is Aside from Father Goose, but he's basically still playing Cary Grant. North by Northwest also playing Carry by the North. North by Northwest is a little different.

SPEAKER_02 55:19

He's great. Again, not that different, though. Not that different.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

He needs to be serious. He's very good at that, I think. But like what's the serious role? I mean, part parts of North by Northwest. Very serious. And he has to he has to like man up a couple of times in there when you don't expect him to do it. He does it in one of his funniest movies to me, Operation Petticoat. He plays one of his more serious characters. And I think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

Well, that's really the comic relief in that film.

SPEAKER_00 55:46

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Although he's rarely the comic relief. I mean, it's usually he's playing off of somebody else.

SPEAKER_00 55:51

Often he's a straight man. Way more broad than the other guy.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Except in Arsenic and Old Lace, which I feel is his kind of least good role because he's really playing hard into the I mean I would probably still go Cary Grant, but again, I have to make the statement that I have seen significantly more Kerry Grant movies than I have Gene Kelly movies. So my only thinking with Gene Kelly is musical acting. And I don't know how that how fair that is with his career.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

And also Inherit the Wind, you must have seen that.

SPEAKER_02 56:20

Those two. And that's pretty. And he's great in Inherit the Wind, but that's those are the two that I've seen. So that's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 56:26

What's going to kill Gene Kelly for me is that he did Xanadu.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

Yeah, but what makes up for it is he did Evil Knievel.

SPEAKER_02 56:32

Well, there you go. No, Viva Knievel.

SPEAKER_01 56:37

Yeah, where he plays Evil Knievel's drunk son.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

Oh my god. Incredible.

SPEAKER_01 56:42

Who has a son, I think. I can't really.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

I gotta go with Cary Grant. He's gonna get kicked out eventually anyway. Both of these guys are gonna get bumped out.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Well, I will say Kerry Grant was number two on the AFI list.

SPEAKER_02 56:52

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 56:52

But he's one of my favorites. And that's speaking of somebody whose movies I'll always watch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:58

I like it. Almost always. Some of the early Kerry Grant's a little bit. Even like Bringing Up Baby, I don't really love watching it anymore. I used to like it a lot, but I just their Philadelphia stories better.

SPEAKER_00 57:09

Yeah, bringing up baby is good for even just the side characters that are in there.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

The side characters are good. Humphrey Bogart up against the next round, by the way. Humphrey Bogart up against James Cagney. Or didn't we say Spencer Tracy? No, we said James Cagny. James Cagney. I don't have an ability to write them down, so I'm going by memory, which is never a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

It's gonna start to be a little bit more right out there with James Cagney.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

I don't care for Humphrey Bogart.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

Hot take, but sure.

SPEAKER_02 57:40

I just I like who I like. In terms of who of the two that I enjoy watching more, it would be Cagney. Do I objectively think Humphrey Bogart has a broader actor or is the better actor? Maybe. But I do enjoy it. He may be better, but I do enjoy Cagney more. So I I don't know. That's an unhelpful answer, but it could kind of go either way.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

I mean, ten years ago I would have said James Cagney at a heartbeat. I've come to appreciate Humphrey Bogart more.

SPEAKER_00 58:19

Especially since I've read I've I've discovered a love of Casablanca and Cassie Blanca is excellent, and he is uh well and even all of those Sam Spades or I I have come to appreciate both of them more probably Humphrey Bogart more recently, even and I haven't seen much Cagney stuff recently. That's what's that's what's making this difficult for me because my knee-jerk reaction is to say that Cagney's the better actor and always was, always will be in every fac in every part of his career. But I used to think that Humphrey Bogart was much more um two-dimensional. Yeah, but then you can do that.

SPEAKER_01 59:02

You can throw the Cary Grant father goose card with Humphrey Bogart, you'd be the African Queen, and that's so. And that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 59:08

Is like I I appreciate the nuances in Bogart's characters maybe more now than I ever did. So I'm gonna I'm gonna slide with Bogart. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

And I actually think I think Humphrey Bogart in the African Queen is even is significantly further removed from what his type than Carrie Father Goose. I think African Queen, him his role in that is indistinguishable. I mean, you wouldn't think it was Humphrey Bogart unless you know it was Humphrey Bogart.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

Yeah. That's one of my favorite roles because of that. He's very good at it.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

I'm happy to go with him for raw ability because I do think he is the better actor. I like Cagney's movies and I love him in everything that he's in, but I do think Humphrey Bogart is the better actor.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

Alisa, do you have a dog in this fight? We're still going Cagny.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

Sticking with Cagney.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

Uh so we have two Humphrey Bogartts and a Cagney.

SPEAKER_03 59:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

Uh and it's not going to be a tie because I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

I think I see the winner.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:03

This was a hard one for me. This was really hard for me.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:06

Uh next up we have Fred Esther up against Marlon Brando.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:10

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:11

Okay, Brando's the better actor.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:13

Of the two of you. Yeah, I would say so. Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:16

And he's not overrated. There's a trend to say that Brando was highly overrated. I don't think that's true.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:23

No, I don't think he's overrated.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

He became something different later in his career, which made him poke fun of him.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:29

Pokey, I don't love a lot of his stuff, but that doesn't mean he's not a good actor.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:33

No, he's a good actor, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

I think James Dean would have probably been the better of the two had the situation not turned out the way it did. Yeah. Um next up we have Lawrence Olivier up against Henry Fonda.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

Oh. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

This is a who I like more is not gonna get my vote.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:59

Interesting. I'm really Well, you like Henry Fonda more. I'm really waffling a little bit. Because I'm kind of in the same boat, Glenn, where I'm like, I do like, and I think about what we were talking about earlier with Henry Fonda, where he truly can go from being this like lovable father figure to this absolutely terrifying person who can like freeze you with just a look.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

And he's very impactful in both of those role types. So I'm almost I'm almost talking myself into Henry's.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:35

I know. I'm almost you're almost talking me back into Henry.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:38

Here's the thing of the 16 people on this list, from a pure acting standpoint, there is no one who touches Lawrence Olivier. No, I know. I fear I'm losing a ton of pure acting ability losing the block Olivier. But then you have to factor in a lot of other things.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

Yeah. Oh man.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

I I gotta go with my gut. I like Fonda more than more things. Lawrence Olivier just better and makes it look so easy.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:07

I do agree that objectively he is the better actor. I still stand by I have seen more and enjoyed more of Henry Fonda, but I do still think that from like a technical and a dramatic and a performance standpoint, it is definitely Lawrence Olivier.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:21

That being said, I find his Hamlet almost unwise. It's real, like stagey.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:30

How do you like his Henry V?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

Better than his Hamlet.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

Although I like Kenneth Brannall's Henry V more. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of controversially. I think Kenneth Branall's Shakespeare adaptations are more interesting and enjoyable.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:43

Yeah, and that's on purpose. Correct. Things had changed a bit, and Kenneth Branaugh was part of the reason Shakespeare changed. Sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:50

Absolutely. Well, and Lawrence Olivier is an old school British classic trained actor. And the fact that he could break from that and do other things is pretty remarkable.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:59

Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Same reasons. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:03

Okay. And we have Clark Gable up against Cary Grant.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:08

Oh wow. It's kind of like the blueprint versus the result of Father-son. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:16

I will always like Cary Grant more, but I think Clark Gable was a better idea. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:22

I almost feel like Clark Gable had to walk so Cary Grant could figure out how to run. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:26

I will say, Clark Gable was never on the board of directors of Faberge.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

Oh, well, I mean, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:36

I agree with you. I think he set the stage.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:39

He did. And I will, and this is just a question for from me because I genuinely don't know. Did one of them have a broader career? I know more Cary Grant films simply because I've seen more.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

He lived longer and did more films than Clark Cable died at 59. Yeah. And some of his later stuff was really good. Um, the the uh film he was doing with Marilyn Monroe. The Misfits The Misfits was really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:03

She that was also her last film. Yeah, a lot of people died on that film.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

That was he was God, he was good in that still. I mean, it was hard to watch because he was he was not well.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:13

Well, and at age 59, he looked like he was about 80. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:17

But uh yeah, he was just so good.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

So I I take it you're going Claire Cable.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

I am I am too, I'm leading Claire Cable. Okay, I am too. Nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:26

This is nice because I don't have to be involved. Uh now we're into the final floor, I think. And this is gonna take real real remembrance on my part because I have written none of this down. Perfect. Humphrey Bogart?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:39

Yep, that would be one of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:41

Up against Marlon Brando? Yeah. Marlon Brando, Humphrey Bogart.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:46

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

Um I mean, I think I I think I have to go Humphrey Bogart. I have the same feeling you did, Glenn, about other people. I mean, I like Marlon Brando better. Sure. Um and I and I'm gonna stick with him. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:07

Okay. Well, you already declared your dislike of Humphrey Bogart. So this is not a good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:11

So this is not a shock, but I still think I'm gonna go Humphrey Bogart.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:14

Yeah. I mean, it obvious this obviously becomes very difficult at times like this because I appreciate both of them so much for the varied roles they did.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:24

But Humphrey Bogart never made the island of Dr. Monroe. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:32

You didn't like that. No. Okay, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

He never once said kiss me on the lips twice.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:39

Upset me deeply.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:41

Um early Brando showed so much promise.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:47

Later Brando I would say I would say late early Brando showed promise. Early early Brando when it was like the motorcycle game. Well that could have really just been.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

Was coming right out of the actor studio at that point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:03

But when you get to like the glass menagerie and I'm saying Bogart. Okay. And your Humphrey Bogart or your Brandon?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

I was Bogart.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

Okay, well it's Bogart then.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:15

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

Now we have Lawrence Olivier versus Carrie or Clark Gable. Oh it's Olivier.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:24

Yeah. Olivier. Yeah, I agree. That's a pretty that's a pretty easy one. Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

Okay. Well done, Larry. Uh finally we have Humphrey Bogart versus Lawrence.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:38

Somehow I always knew we'd come here. Yeah. We'd land here at this stop. And somehow I always knew we answered.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:57

No. But the the mid, the the limited range he had was so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:03

I still don't think it was limited. I just think he was so good at certain things that that just they that's what people wanted him to keep doing. Sure. Well I'm not saying that when I've seen him, yeah, when I've seen him vary from that, he's just so good. But I you can't you can't appreciate Lawrence Olivier until you've seen him do even Hamlet, which not necessarily a great Hamlet, no, but still He is giving it all.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:33

He's got and I would imagine seeing it on stage with a threatening.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:39

I can't see anybody I can't even see Bogart being better than him.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

Oh no, I don't know that Bogart could translate. But he also directed that at all.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:49

Yeah, I mean, I don't know that he could. Which Branell did much of the same thing, you know. I I I'm I've got to go with Lawrence Olivier.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:57

I mean, I completely agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

Yeah. That's an easy.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:01

Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry. Well, in a result, I don't think anyone was expecting. Uh, number 14 on AFI's 100 stars listed. 14? Olivier comes out on top in our bracket, and he joins um uh 14.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

I think those two would get along, actually.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:28

I think they actually have. I don't know. I want to say they did. They may have.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

I mean, they were contemporary. I could see them enjoying the heck out of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:34

We should have made Vivian Lee win the women's one, because then that would have been even better.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

He had a lot of famous wives, though. Oh, Larry did. We could have picked one. Uh, because Dame uh she was in the four Dames movie. Uh really? Yeah, not Maggie Smith, not Judy Dench, not Jane?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:00

Uh the other one. Not Jane.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:02

Um Lady.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:09

Oh, yeah, she was married to Lawrence Olivia.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Because they talk about him all the time about how intimidating he was.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:14

Yeah. I forgot her name. Oh, what's it terrible?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:16

It's escaping me, but I know who you're talking about. I can see her face.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:19

Um, he was married for Vivian Lee for a decent amount, wasn't he? I thought so.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:26

And also appreciator of Marilyn Monroe.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:29

Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

Uh Joan Plowwright. Joan, I said Jane. I was I knew I was on the right track.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:36

There we go, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:37

He was married to Vivian Lee for 20 years. Yeah. He was married to Joan Plowright for 38 years. So consistent in marriage as well. And was married previously to Jill Esmond for 10 years.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:49

I mean, hey, that's those are not pretty good marriages. Pretty good run. Ingrid Bergen and Lawrence Olivier never appeared together in a film. That's that. But they should have.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:59

Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:00

Let's do some AI. We'll put them together in a film.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:02

Oh, that would be fine.

unknown 1:10:03

That would be fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

Does anyone know how to do AI? No. Okay, we're done. And with that, we've reached the conclusion of another episode of the Cinema Social Club. If you've liked what you've heard, you can write in and tell us at cinemasocialpod at gmail.com. That's cinemasocialpod at gmail.com. And be sure to tune in next week when we'll be reviewing yet another Clark Gable Helm, the best picture winner. In this case, it's 1935 Mutiny on the Bounty. But until then, and on behalf of my co-host, I thank you for listening, and it's a goodbye from me. Goodbye.