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2 Vintage Sports Guys - Episode 9

Joe Rendace Season 1 Episode 9

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Episode 9: 

2 Vintage Sports Guys discusses sports movies. We debate Major League and Bull Durham for Baseball movies and then body-tackle  Football movies with The Replacements vs. The Longest Yard, both the Burt Reynolds original and the Adam Sandler remake. What's your Mount Rushmore of Baseball and Football movies?

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SPEAKER_00

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome back to Two Vintage Sports Guys. Today, as Paul is on his God knows how many days of vacation, uh, I have another special guest host today. Uh, it is Keith Cunningham. Keith, why don't you give us an intro?

SPEAKER_01

Hey, thanks for having me on here, Joe. My name is Keith Cunningham. I'm from Woodstock, Georgia, just outside of Atlanta Braves territory. I just really enjoy entertainment, uh, movies about sports, and I just want to contribute.

SPEAKER_00

And I liked everything he said except the Braves. So we are we remain mortal enemies. All of you, you've all the guest hosts of the week have been from Atlanta and Abbott Brad Braves fans, but let's not hold any of that against you. But let's use the Braves uh with the sport of baseball, and we'll jump into our first conversation around baseball movies. Now, this is obviously very subjective uh on what the best one is. Uh, do you want to define that by comedy? Do you want to find that by drama? But I'm gonna say we start with Major League, which came out in 1989. I can remember seeing it in the theater. Uh, back then, as a big baseball fan, Cleveland stunk, which they kind of gone up and down. And in 89, when they made that, they were still playing in the old stadium, uh, which was good because by the time they made Major League Two, they had they had were in the new stadium. And then by the time they made Major League Three, which was an absolute bomb, and they just kind of stole the name from uh, so we'll never, never talk about that. It's almost like having a Godfather III uh conversation versus the first two. But in Major League, we had uh Tom Berenger, we had Charlie Sheen, and we had pretty much a up-and-coming Wesley Snipes uh in one of his comedy roles before he would go on to do New Jack City and um King of New York with Christopher Walken. Snipes was great, and then he was uh replaced by Omar by the second Major League, which we'll talk about wasn't bad. So give us some thoughts on what you think about Major League.

SPEAKER_01

So, I mean, I remember watching it when it came out in the theaters in '89, almost '90, and uh it it really touched a time when everybody was looking for that kind of entertainment, they were looking for that fun, you know, jovial side of baseball. I mean, a lot of people didn't have a team that they just cared about, so Major League just sort of morphed everything into the Cleveland Indians.

SPEAKER_00

And um, when you when you watch that movie, and again, you'd really have to dig into to know some of this stuff. In it, they're playing the hated Yankees, and as a Met fan, you know, God love hating them. Uh, but they had the characters of the Yankees was this um hitter, he was their cleanup hitter, and he was actually played by an ex uh pitcher of all things, who never hit a home run in his pitching career ever, and he's playing the uh the the slugger for the Yankees, right? So it just goes to show you that um what you see on screen, and really if you think about it, the best thing of that movie is Bob Bucher, right? Bob Bucher, all his lines are are famous today from ball four, ball ball eight. All right. What what's your thoughts on Bob Euchar?

SPEAKER_01

Love Bob Bucher. I mean, you know, I used to you know like him in the Bud Light commercials, he was funny and everything. He was a broadcaster for many, many years and just always brought a lot of levity to any situation.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he couldn't hit for anything. And uh it's funny because the best one of the best lines in the movie is when Wesley Snipes, who's uh Willie Mays Hayes, his line is um I'm Willie Mays Hayes, I hit like maze and I run like Hayes. And after you see he can't hit at all, uh the coach tells him, You may hit you may um you may run like like haze, but you hit like shit, right? So I could say that on here because it's from the movie. Did you ever watch him on Mr. Belvedere, Mr. Belvedere?

SPEAKER_01

I never watched Mr. Belvedere. I never, yeah, I didn't have a butler like you growing up.

SPEAKER_00

So uh butler was mom, as Dad referred to her lovingly. But it's it's a good thing she'll never listen to this to know that. But yeah, and and what you would see in the movie is there was a lot of uh, but I think I I love Dennis Habert, who played Pedro Serrado, right? Yeah, he was great. What what else did you like him in?

SPEAKER_01

So I mean I didn't know him as as well as far as you know being a a big like entertainment uh actor or anything like that. Um, I knew he was in the movie Heat, but I think it was after that. He was cool in that. Um, what else was he in?

SPEAKER_00

Was in heat. Did he have hair in heat? I think he had hair, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

He did. Yeah, I mean, I felt so sorry for his character in heat.

SPEAKER_00

He was in heat, and then if you watch 24 with Kiefer Subulin, he was the president for like three years or so. So, yeah, Major League, I think that that that's I'd put that still at the top of my movie list. But another great one, which was actually a year before, was Bull Dorum. What's your thoughts on Bull Dorum?

SPEAKER_01

Bulldorum was a great film. I thought it was interesting the way they, you know, included like religion and philosophy and you know metaphysics and you know, just all kinds of just bizarre things to like bring into the plot lines, along with a great ensemble cast. I mean, it was really strong of you know everybody from Susan Sarandon. You had you know her boyfriend then at the time, which is amazing. They, you know, actually got married after that film. I guess they the chemistry was very strong for them.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I don't think they were boyfriend and girlfriend at the time. They met there, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, they met there and but they married straight after.

SPEAKER_00

The writer, Ron Shelton. Well, I read the book. There's a book on the making of Bull Durham, and it actually, me being the screenwriter, in the book, he he actually puts a lot of the script pages and he shows you his thought process. He was a minor league uh baseball player, so to him it was like his experiences he was writing about. And he had to fight the studio on everything. Like he wanted Kurt Russell to play the role, and it went to Kevin Costner, who was hot at the time. Um, the Ron Shelton wanted uh Tim Robbins, but the studio wanted Anthony Michael Hall, which I don't really know what what was Anthony Michael Hall doing in 1988.

SPEAKER_01

So, I mean, he was coming off of what the Edward Sizzans, I think. Yeah, I mean, but I mean he he was very, very popular. I mean, Johnny B Good, he was in that movie as an athlete.

SPEAKER_00

I remember that. Like, I couldn't get over him not being the 16 Candles Breakfast Club skinny kid trying to watch him be Johnny B Good. Like it I don't know, did that sit right with you at that point? So I really didn't even watch Johnny B Good because I didn't I didn't picture him in that there was talk about them trying to do a uh a sequel where Kevin Costner would then be a coach of one of those minor league teams, but I think he made some point of saying that he he doesn't do sequels and I think it would have gone the way of major league three anyway. So you're probably better not better off not doing it at a certain point.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think I think it has its you know its place in the in the entertainment stratosphere or whatever, where I don't think there would need to be a follow-up on Bull Durham.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, he went on and then did anyway. Um was Field of Dreams, it's after that, right? I think that's early 90s.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, there's so many baseball movies that we're not gonna talk about today, obviously, because we don't have that kind of time, but you know, everything from Field of Dreams to the natural. I mean, there's some great baseball movies out there.

SPEAKER_00

Natural, I I could not get through. That was just to me, it was a little too slow and old-fashioned. I never bought Robert Bradford could hit a ball. Ouch! I ouch, that's that's that's on my I mean, I I guess you like that one.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's on my that's on my top four. That's on my Mount Rushmore of baseball movies.

SPEAKER_00

Really? Okay, fair enough. What um so what else you have there besides major league?

SPEAKER_01

So again, I well, I didn't have major league on my on my baseball. I I would say it would be the natural, it would be field of dreams, it would then be probably Bull Durham, and then the movie I think 42.

SPEAKER_00

42 was good. That was uh what's his name who passed um Jackie Robinson? Well, the actor. All right, very cool. So let's segue over. If we're done with our baseball movies, let's jump into football.

SPEAKER_01

Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, back it up, back it up. What is your what what is your Mount Rushmore, your four Mount Rushmore of baseball movies?

SPEAKER_00

Four? I'm gonna give you a top three.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's Mount is Mount Rushmore. No, you gotta have four.

SPEAKER_00

I want to knock one of those faces off. Um well it's it's Major League, that's number one. Uh I I would think I'd I I I'd have major league two, probably my second one. Um because they're different, there are different there are different types of movies. There are comedies and then there are dramas, right? Like so I I like to lean towards comedies. I like Field of Dreams, so that I'd probably put that up there as three. You could keep your uh the natural. Um I'm I'm not getting at you, my my uh Rushmore. And fourth one. You ever see Mr. 3000? I did. Funny movie, good movie. That's a fun movie.

SPEAKER_01

You know what? I've got I gotta throw it in just because Sandlot, the Sandlot was a great baseball movie.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, I you know, calling that a baseball movie is like the age-old argument that Die Hard's a Christmas movie, which would take a whole episode to go through. But yes, it's baseball themed, but um I I can't argue with it, but it's definitely I don't think it's on either Rushmore of ours, right?

SPEAKER_01

No, no, I can't put it up there on that. Just honorable mention.

SPEAKER_00

Honorable mention. All right, we good with baseball? Good with baseball. All right, let's jump into football. Give me your uh football movie that we're gonna lead with. Yikes.

SPEAKER_01

Um any given star day any given Sunday.

SPEAKER_00

Any given Sunday. You know what? The first thing I think of, I sat in the theater way too long watching that movie.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was a long one, but it was so good.

SPEAKER_00

What did you like about that?

SPEAKER_01

Everything. It was just it was it was very visceral, the way they cut it, the way they like just you know, made it real life, you know, because a lot of a lot of times you don't feel like you're in the game, and they they actually really brought that to the screen.

SPEAKER_00

And man, that goes back to 99, 1999. Yes, it was two hours and 42 minutes.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, too long.

SPEAKER_00

You're talking 27 years ago in an ADD 2026 nowadays.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, never mind.

SPEAKER_00

You gotta cut an hour out of that. Easily. Pacino played the coach, yeah. Dennis Quaid played the uh the veteran quarterback, Jamie Foxx played the up-and-coming quarterback. You know, that was the tension. Uh Cameron Diaz was, I think, Pacino's daughter, right? The coach's daughter.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, I think she was the owner's daughter, and she was at odds a little bit with Pacino's way of doing things.

SPEAKER_00

We had some uh we had LL Cool Jay in there, who you know, he had the size and the attitude, so he worked. Um we still had some of the legends of football. We had Jim Brown, we had uh LT, Lawrence Taylor in there.

SPEAKER_01

Great, great role for LT. He was awesome in that.

SPEAKER_00

Charlton Heston as the football commissioner, right? I mean, let's just go.

SPEAKER_01

That's Oliver Stone. That's Oliver Stone just bringing in all the the all the big guns, you know. Jam and James Woods was in it as a doctor, like just interesting casting, but you know, it it all came together very strong.

SPEAKER_00

Do you know? I I never hear anybody talk about this when pensioning football movies. So you know I'm gonna see the differences between uh what we think out there.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I'm built different, so hey, it it takes all kinds.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I think one of the things I did like was that the NFL refused to like help with this film in any way because they thought the uh the screen paint made like things sound very explicit. So what to me, if you're gonna make a movie that's supposed to be about the like NFL and you call it anything else, it it just as a sports guy, it just makes it seem that much more fake. Like if you're gonna do it, it should be like like we said, major league, that's the real Cleveland Indians, right? It's a real uh major league baseball. But I don't know. I I don't know to this day. I don't know if Oliver Stone should have been making football movies, stick to JFK and all the and all the crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_01

You didn't like the Miami Sharks, you're you prefer the Miami Dolphins? That's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00

No, I mean I think most really fan addicts like me will tell you either make it authentic or don't do it.

SPEAKER_01

But I don't are there any other like really big NFL type football movies? Because most of the football movies out there were collegiate or high school.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, uh, thank you. It's a great lead-in because one of my favorite movies, uh football movies, is the replacements, and it's kind of something that really went kind of under the under the wire, but it had it was from 2000, and I think it was right either before or after Matrix, which really made obviously uh Keanu a star. I mean, it was this is after Bill and Ted, but you know, I it's like a decade after Bill and Ted, but he really he is it's fair to say he didn't become who he is until the Matrix came out. And then this appeared either just right before it or right after it. And it was uh a little kind of low budget, under the radar movie, which was the NFL. They were going on strike, right? It was really sticking it to the the high the high price players, and Gene Hackman, who's you know one of those old Tom Landry, Dallas Cowboy coach type people, finds kind of similar to Major League, where they go and find a bunch of wacky people that when you put them all together, they um they can win. And so Keanu Reeves was the quarterback, um John Favreau before he uh put on two extra John Favreaux.

SPEAKER_01

Um that's wrong.

SPEAKER_00

Was in great shape playing like uh a crazy lineman, and um there was uh who else was that?

SPEAKER_01

Wait, I got a quick quick question. So John Favreau, what position did he play in the movie Rudy?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I don't know. I haven't seen Rudy in years. What position did he play?

SPEAKER_01

I'm thinking he was probably a lineman in that, so this would be an obvious you know progression from him from Rudy into the replacements.

SPEAKER_00

What yeah was Rudy?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, you had to ask that. I'm gonna say round probably around 1993.

SPEAKER_00

Was it?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so well, I mean, he Fabrew, I mean, not to make this a how how how in shape is Fabro during his movies type thing. One of my favorite Christmas movies has turned out to be Four Christmases. Have you ever seen that with Vince Vaughn and Reese Witherspoon?

SPEAKER_01

I have not.

SPEAKER_00

Well, watch that. It basically the two of them don't want any part of their family. They tell them going somewhere else at Christmas, they get caught on camera when their flight is canceled at the airport, so they have to go then on Christmas Day to see all four families have four Christmases. And even though Vince Bahn's this like what would you call it? A bit of a snooty lawyer-ish type guy. He comes from not much, where his father is um Robert Duval. I'm sure he's not proud of. And Vince Vaughn's two brothers are John Favreau and Tim McGraw, of all things. Um very low-level like UFC fighters, just beating the crap out of him. But that's as good as I've ever seen John Favreau, if you if you uh take a look at that movie.

SPEAKER_01

But that's interesting. John Favreau, I mean, I I like his lineage, I like the fact that you know he's in every billion-dollar, you know, Marvel movie.

SPEAKER_00

If he's not in it, it wasn't a billion-dollar movie, which is a he direct didn't he direct Iron Man, which was really the one that kicked it all off.

SPEAKER_01

I want to say he even I want to say he even championed Robert Downey Jr. for that role.

SPEAKER_00

So and don't forget, he was director for Elf.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, the fact that he was on the the show Friends, that's something that you know you wouldn't have thought watching Rudy back in 1993 like that guy is gonna be huge, but his trajectory is still not stopped.

SPEAKER_00

And to the point, what what's what is he trying to do on that friends episode when he's dating Monica? He's a millionaire who wants to be the UFC champion.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, indeed. That's the ring. She thought he was gonna buy her an engagement ring, but he wanted a UFC ring.

SPEAKER_00

And and if you go back, probably at the same well, I don't know if it's right before or right after, he played a bit roll on Seinfeld as the clown at the at a party that George is dating uh some woman, her kid, and George keeps going to him. You don't know who Bozo the clown is? And he keeps going, no, who is the clown? He goes, You hung up on some clown from the 60s, man. That that's that's his big John Fabrew line in uh in Seinfeld.

SPEAKER_01

That's funny. I do recall that now.

SPEAKER_00

But uh yeah, so the the replacements they they they actually do a whole jailhouse dance scene uh to I Will Survive, like so Gloria Gaynor. You'd have to watch it to understand it. But if we compare that, which really it's a comedy movie, versus um the longest yard. Now the longest yard, we could we could talk about the original, or we we could talk about the remake.

SPEAKER_01

The remake was more of a comedy movie to me.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

The original was is was more you know tough and strong, and you know, we're prison, we're prisoners, and we're gonna take these guards out. But the the Adam Sandler one was definitely a comedy with Chris Robinson.

SPEAKER_00

Which one gun to your head? Do you do you favor?

SPEAKER_01

I mean, they're two different movies in my head.

SPEAKER_00

They really are, but if you had to watch one and and make believe the other and you get hit delete on the back key for the older one never to have existed, which one are you picking?

SPEAKER_01

I'm picking the first one.

SPEAKER_00

I'm picking the first one too. Now, is that because we're two old vintage guys, or is it because it was just more I mean, I think it's respectful.

SPEAKER_01

I think you know, if if the second one doesn't outshine the first one, you have to give it to the first one, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But is it is it perspective, meaning if you're our age and you grew up on Longish Yard, and here comes this other one 30 years later, and it's not as serious, you like the original. But if you're our kid's age and you only seen the Adam Standard one and love it, and then you go watch this old fogey one and go, that was horrible, it wasn't even funny.

SPEAKER_01

So I I was that person where I saw the second one first. I had never seen the first one, yes, and uh I had never seen the first one, so I went back and watched the Burt Reynolds one and I loved it. I thought it, but I didn't I didn't compare the two again, same name, totally different, you know, movies.

SPEAKER_00

And um, one thing about it the longest yard. Was an Albert Ruddy film. And you're going to say, Who the heck is he? Yep. He was the producer of that movie, and this was his baby after he had done The Godfather. So he's the producer. And you know, yes, we've all seen and love The Godfather. If you love The Godfather and you haven't watched the series on uh HBO or Baxter, whichever you want to go find it, it's called The Offer. And it's like an eight-episode, it's not a documentary. This guy Ruddy, uh actors playing uh young Pacino, uh, all of them from The Godfather. And what this guy Ruddy had to do to get Godfather made between the his bosses who were nuts, um, the actors he had to deal with, and the actual mob and Sinatra trying to shut the movie down because it was given the Italians like me a bad name, right? Like you. It's just like you. For those who have not seen the offer, and if you like The Godfather at all, it it's it's a must. But anyway, so this was Ruddy's big film after that, and then he kind of disappeared.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, and had you not told me that story, I never would have known who he was or how he contributed.

SPEAKER_00

Dad, now if we had to talk about Rushmore of football movies, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01

I was about to ask that question.

SPEAKER_00

What's a more so yeah? Well, we got the replacements for me, we got the longest yard for me. Uh what are my options?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I mean, so remember the Titans was a great movie with Denzel.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, see, you're going you're going sadly, you're going sad lot on me, where if it's not kind of real teams and stuff, I I struggle, even though longest draw is is a prison movie. So we got Rudy, we got varsity blues, the blind side, your any given Sunday you brought up, Friday Night Lights. Uh so what other two am I putting up there?

SPEAKER_01

So I can give you my four, which are are you know pretty easy. I mean, you know, and again, I don't care that it's not a real team or you know, a real way of looking at it as far as reality-wise, because I'm going for entertainment, but it's gonna be Rudy is number one, it's gonna be Remember the Titans is number two, I'm gonna say Brian's song is probably number three, and then I'll probably go with like We Are Marshall for number four, and you are all over the board.

SPEAKER_00

Do you know? That's me. All right, that that's that's fair. All right, so I'll give you the four. Mine are again replacements, original longest yard. So, see, I don't like how some of these things they categorize. The last boy scout, which I thought was a great movie.

SPEAKER_01

That's not a football movie. I mean, it has football themes, that's not that's not a football movie, right?

SPEAKER_00

Um draft day with Kevin Costner. See, it's kind of interesting. I don't know if you saw that one.

SPEAKER_01

I did, I did, and I wasn't I wasn't on board.

SPEAKER_00

I just I I never felt it's a lot of behind the scenes stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's like money ball, like it's one of those type movies, yes.

SPEAKER_00

I think it's exactly money ball for football. Good call there, right? Uh what about Wildcats? That was actually very early Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson.

SPEAKER_01

Was that Goldie Hahn in that one?

SPEAKER_00

Yep. No.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00

I and that's it's 40 years ago.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I remember Goldie Hahn in that. I don't remember anything else about that movie. Um, what about the Water Boy? Waterboy was a great movie, comedy-wise. Is that a football movie? No, it's a water movie. It's an i mean, I get it, but no.

SPEAKER_00

What about Jerry Maguire?

SPEAKER_01

Again, that's show me the money, but not a football movie, not a football movie, not entirely. That is an agent movie that is swimming with sharks, but for sports.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so what do I have? I'm missing one head on my my mountain.

SPEAKER_01

Probably.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. Voss City Blues. Did we like that one?

SPEAKER_01

That was a good movie.

SPEAKER_00

All right, how about how about we build uh a Mount Rushmore between us? Two each.

SPEAKER_01

See, my top two are probably Rudy and I really like Remember the Titans. Mount Rushmore baseball is gonna be The Natural, Field of Dreams, Bull Durham, and 42.

SPEAKER_00

Alright. Mine will be Major League One, Major League Two, Bull Durham, number three, Bull Durham, and number four, I'm gonna go Pride of the Yankees.

SPEAKER_01

Pride of the Yankees right here.

SPEAKER_00

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Wow, yeah, you're only back in time.

SPEAKER_00

It kind of looked like Lou Garrick.

SPEAKER_01

That's yeah, that was again. I mean, I'm not that much younger than you, but yeah, going way back to 1942, not a chance.

SPEAKER_00

It's three years, dude. We're the same age. 1942 was sound like my wife there. I don't know how we didn't remember Bad News Bears. That is one of my favorite movies. 1976, I was eight years old. I saw it in the theaters. I could still hear the Carmen uh opera theme song playing in my head.

SPEAKER_01

I don't think I've ever seen Bad News Bears.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, we can't be friends anymore.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, see you bye.

SPEAKER_00

You have to watch, you have to watch movies. I'm gonna have to go back to the Bad News Bears original is great. After that, they just you know, bad news bears go to play in the Houston Astrodome, bad news bears go to Japan. It's just all bad movies from there.

SPEAKER_01

But the original is Walter Mathow. Yeah, I mean, I want to say it was because of the language and you know the adult themes. I mean there's language. I think I was four years old at the time, and even when it came back out on VHS, I was still too young. I was you know 12. My parents were not gonna be renting that for me on a Friday, Saturday night.

SPEAKER_00

So they made a remake, which is probably 20 years old, where Billy Bob Thornton plays the Walter Mathow part. Did you see that? I guess you didn't see that one either.

SPEAKER_01

Nope.

SPEAKER_00

Yep, 2005. So basically 21 years ago, they remade it and it is not good.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna say, I was gonna have one question for that, and the question was, why? Why would you remake that movie?

SPEAKER_00

Why do they remake everything? Because they figure a generation is passed and they could recapitalize on it.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, sad. It's just a sad world we live in.

SPEAKER_00

Very sad. So, and that's let's end on that sad note. Don't do it, don't do it.

SPEAKER_01

We've been talking comedies. Let's let's go back to the final.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I want to thank uh Mr. Keith Cunningham for guest hosting and discussing sports movies. We'll we covered baseball, we covered football. Uh we will do a follow up one day and we will cover, we'll see if we could cover basketball and hockey. We'll have to make sure we know the movies ahead of time, but uh we'll uh we'll go from there. Say goodbye, Keith.

SPEAKER_01

Always a pleasure, Joe Rodachi. Have a great evening.

SPEAKER_00

All right, buddy. Take care. Take care, guys.