2 Vintage Sports Guys - Episode 14

Episode 14: Join Joe and special guest Ricky Goldman as they discuss and debate the NBA and NHL Playoffs, viewership, and the streaming platforms giving us a headache as they all now host pieces of everything.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Good afternoon, everyone. This is Two Vintage Sports Guys. I am your host, Joe Rendacci, back for another podcast. And I also have another special guest, or the same special guest that I've uh had before, Mr. Ricky Goldman. Ricky. Thanks for having me on again, Joe. Really appreciate it. All right, let's jump into it. We're in the thick of the NHL and the NBA playoffs. We'll do a little recap from last night. Uh, we had Carolina down Philly. They're down 3-0. The series is effectively over. But what's your thoughts on uh Carolina and Philly? Does Philly take one and try to go back to Carolina and all that, or do they get swept just like Carolina did in the first round?

SPEAKER_00 0:49

You know, yeah. So it's Carolina, so it's really interesting. These Southern hockey teams, it's just amazing how you get the Florida teams, and now you get the Carolina team. They're 7-0 in the playoffs right now. No one can touch them. And um, they were so they they they owned the puck the whole time last night, and their defensive zone was just stopping the Flyers at all costs. Sure, they may be able to take one the next game, but I think Carolina's gonna sweep them again to go on. So I don't think they're gonna be touched.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Yeah, no, I agree. That that that'll be over. And then as far as Colorado, Minnesota, Colorado's up 2-0. I I can't see. There's no way Minnesota wins this series. Does Minnesota take one and all? They have a chance, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

I mean, Colorado is basically like Carolina. I can see Colorado and Carolina both playing against each other in the in the Stanley Cup. That would seem like the most realistic um outcome for the two teams, and they're pretty much kind of headed in that direction. But you know, the thing is, it's funny, like the NHL is almost like the NBA right now, where you're just seeing a lot of blowouts and a lot of control from the better team over the lesser team.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

So well, Colorado, Minnesota, game one. Colorado won 9-6, so it was a battle of field goals.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Yeah, that's true too. I mean, not yeah, not too much defensive pressure on that side.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

So let's just jump into because of your background with it. Minnesota beat the Dallas Stars in the first round. Yeah, give me your little background on the Minnesota-Dallas thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:19

You know, I grew up in Dallas, and Dallas was not a hockey town, of course, because in the South, hockey didn't exist. So my wife's cousin, when I was in college, um, in the late 80s, early 90s, my wife's cousin, who's from Minnesota, I think was a rookie at the time. So my beginning passion in terms of watching the NHL was at that time, and then sure enough, I think it was a year or two years later, Norm Green moved the North Stars down from Minnesota, Minnesota, down to Dallas to become the stars.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Hockey became big. Of course, I become an Islander fan and missed the Four Cups run because I don't become a fan until a decade later.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Actually, those games I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

You remember him? He went went to your stars then, and then that was the run when they stopped Pittsburgh and Lemieux, but they lost anyway, and then the Rangers become you know the champions the next year, and it's a battle of the city there.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

You know what? It was Gretzky in the 80s that got probably most people across the country, probably across the world, into hockey itself. He was the kind of the the Michael Jordan at the at the time that kind of transcended hockey.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

So well, he absolutely brought hockey into the forefront, yeah, mainstream in the 80s. But do you know what really kicked it off? And this is a proven fact in the early 90s, 92, 93, 94, the way John Madden made EA football a huge hit, EA NHL huge in the early 90s in the United States.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

I remember, yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

That's right. And everybody had it on whether it was a Sega system or whatever, and playing and playing and playing, and that really helped launch uh the NHL uh in the US, and then the teams would start to come and yada yada yada.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

I think when they started coming down south, because it was I think it started with Dallas, maybe being the one the first in the South, and then it went to then it went to obviously the Florida teams, Carolina.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Yeah, they moved into Carolina. Uh, but let's jump into the more um tonight. We have Montreal and Buffalo.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

So Buffalo, go Buffalo, go save.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

I think Buffalo found their legs after the the the the first that was a good series against the Bruins. That was really tight.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

That was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

It was. I mean, the game one, they were down two-nothing and just scored four goals in the third, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:55

I was I couldn't believe it because I was because I have a good friend who's from Boston and I was congratulating him. All of a sudden, I'm like, wait, what just happened? So, and again, getting back to my Dallas Star days, there's a little bit of a I I kind of want Buffalo, I want I kind of want the Sabres to win because I still feel guilty for the win we took over them in '99 with Brett Hall and the crease. So there's a little bit of that guilt there. So I do want the Sabres to I would love for the I would love for that city to win something. So if it could be the Sabres, great. I just don't want Montreal. I'm not a fan of anything Canadian. So guilt.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

There's no crying in baseball, and there's no guilt in hockey. You beat him any chance you can get whatever you could get.

SPEAKER_00 5:35

I make fun of my buddy every single year on his birthday. I always I always play that scene when Brett got into the crease and scored, and I play that every time.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

I remember that. Well, I think at the end of the day, Buffalo does win this, but I think this could go seven games. Montreal is a quick, young rookie team there, and they scored 106 points. They tied um Tampa. They only lost the tiebreaker was Tampa had more wins, but they both finished with 106 points, and they beat Tampa at home in game seven, right? So I think this goes seven.

SPEAKER_00 6:09

And I think Vegas Anaheim goes seven as well. It's tied one right now. Um, the goaltender for ducks, uh Dopstool, I think his name 21 saves. The guys they're so good. I mean, the game, the both teams are so good, and it's just fun to watch those two go go against each other. It's a it's a lot of fun. Challenge is it's late at night, especially being out here east, but it that was fun to watch a little bit. Who are you picking for that series? Um probably Vegas, I think.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

I mean see, I'll go with Anaheim, not not because it's one-one and they already took the home field advantage, home ice away from them. Right. But I think Anaheim can pull this out over Vegas.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

I think it'll be listen, both between Montreal, Buffalo, Vegas, and at least they're close, they're tight, and it's a good series.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

All right. Well, one thing I want to mention as far as cards. Uh Porto Martone, 2024 upper deck, Canada, rookie silver foil. There's so many different terms on these cards, but he's the hot guy playing uh this season. I love how they just show you them from their uh minor league when they do these. This one's only 59 bucks. It's already slashed half price. So it just goes to show you, uh, as you know stocks well, that's what these cards are. They ride up and down. Uh, he's actually hot, but his card is is cut in half here right now. But we'll uh we'll keep an eye on that one. Let's jump into the NBA. So this is this is similar to hockey with some of these teams kicking the crap out of others. Uh last night we had last night's matchup was Cleveland Detroit. I mean, Detroit, I don't know if you watch Detroit or Orlando, where Orlando should have should have beat him. They should have won. They had uh like what an 18-point lead on them, 26-point lead and he blew it.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

And Detroit, ever since then, I think Detroit finally woke up. So it it took that debacle by Orlando, which they fired the coach right afterwards, for Detroit to kind of get their groove back on because they are the one seed and they've been playing like the eighth eighth seed. So now they're you got the idea of a 2-0 advantage over the Cavaliers. You know, it's first of all, getting back to viewership, I didn't realize the NBA games were on Prime TV until at the end as I was watching the Flyers game. I was like, where's the NBA? I'm like searching for this on my YouTube TV, and all of a sudden I realized, oh, they're on Prime. So then I had to go there, and by the time I got there, the game was still sort of tight, Detroit Cleveland, but then you know Detroit pulled away. But ironically, in the NBA today, if you win by 10, that's a close game because everything else has been 20-point victories across all the different games. So it's I see Detroit taking Cleveland. They shot 50% on the three-point line, and that's the key, and you and that's also the key for the Oklahoma City game last night is that whoever has a hotter hand on the three-point line is gonna win. That's just basically how it's going. And right now, Detroit and Tobias and those guys, they're just they're they're crushing them.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

So and there's something to be said with that because both the Celtics live and die by the three, and that's why they're not playing anymore right now, except on the uh golf course, because they cannot hit a three as they blew that series from a 3-1 lead to Philly, who, if we jumped into Philly, New York for a second, you know, they say if you look at it, the Cleveland, Detroit, LA, Oklahoma, and New York, Philly are all 2-0. But they say a series doesn't begin until the uh the team loses at home, right? So Philly could conceivably win two at home and go from there. But with Joel and Beb out, I don't even see how they're they're favored by a point and a half. I I the Knicks, I think, are gonna roll over them.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Yeah, uh again. And Bronson had a great game there tonight, too. So I think that's he's the key to all of it. If he's hot, they're gonna win.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

He's definitely a scorer, but um San Antonio, Minnesota, this I think is the most intriguing one. I mean, it sits at 1-1. If it's it's a thing of ifs, Anthony Edwards had gotten hurt, but he's back, so they've won, right? Um in San Antonio, Wemby was kind of a little injured, but he's playing. But if either of them get hurt, it just changes the whole chance for their teams to win. So let's let's see what happens there. Now, LA Oklahoma City. I mean Oklahoma's up 2-0. I think that's up to it's over. That's yeah, 4-1. They win that. I think LA may take one of the two games at home, but I I can't really see that.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

I mean, here's okay, so the again back to our three-point stat. So the Thunder were 43% on the three-point uh line compared to LA at 31%. And that's way the that's way the Thunders, but SGA was unstoppable. The whole the Thunder is just they're the most dominating team I've seen since in a while. And uh I can't even think why I mean it's not like the Bulls were when they were winning back in the 90s, they were all tight games. These Oklahoma City games are all just they're just killing everyone, everyone. So I I honestly cannot see them. Well, first of all, not making it to the to the uh championship and just you know, whoever they play in the east on the east, I think they're gonna do it again. So they are just do we agree? Do we agree it'll be Detroit, New York in the Eastern final? I agree on I agree on that one. I yes, I agree. And then it'll be OKC either versus I think it's Minnesota. I think with Ant back, I think they get a better chance against St. San Antonio. Minnesota's been in the playoffs for several years in a row. San Antonio, even though Wemby's the top player, they're still kind of young and fresh. So I think Minnesota has a better chance in this round. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 12:14

I think uh I I mean it's just gone to the head, flip a coin with San Antonio, Minnesota, but I do think Minnesota uh and maybe because it's one-one, right? They've already taken one in San Antonio now. So if they somehow win the next two at home, but you know, a lot of teams come back from 3-1, and I don't know how well actually Paul and I.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

I mean, the Sixers did it, they were down 3-1 against the Celtics, and I turned around quit pretty quick.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

But yeah, yeah, and Paul and I discussed this on another podcast. I think the difference is baseball is the only sport that still has kept to this 2-3-2 format, right? Which is a which is a big difference from doing that versus 2-2-1-1-1, right? Where all you have to do is kind of win one, get back home, and then anything happens in a game seven. Right. Right? Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

So we'll see. That was the difference right there. So I agree.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

If Tatum's back uh was healthy and playing that game, I I think they win. And I I don't know if they would have got past New York. I think the Knicks are on a roll. I mean, that they when they were playing Atlanta last week, I'm gonna just look at the score on my phone. And I had I thought it was a typo or an error that it was 79-29.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

And I'm like, that that can't be. That's not possible.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

Yo, you know what the irony is about this, is that the closest NBA games during this whole playoff two rounds were Atlanta and New York, where Atlanta, when they beat New York, they beat them by maybe I think two points in each game or three points. That was the tightest differential in terms of scoring between any teams. And then, of course, after that, Knicks rolled and they beat them by 60 in the last game. But that was though that series alone, Atlanta was actually in it until they weren't, and then they just fell apart and they just gave up. But honestly, that was that was the most intriguing tight match between two teams until well, I guess Orlando Detroit was tight too, but Atlanta was really close, and then they just completely fell apart, and then they pulled Orlando there, so right.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

But I I think that happens because if you just look at what you said, when it's close, it's because the underdog somehow pulled it out, right? And the favorite kind of just faltered, right? Right, but then when the favorite gets mad and goes back playing how they're supposed to, it's 79-29. So the top as always, right? So what what it's funny, I I think there's a lot of blowouts too, because if you look how they play nowadays, everybody's just bombing threes, right? So they're in or they're not. There's no more, much more deep post play, unless you got like Wemby and you have these eight-footers, right? But they're bombing them, and either they hit them and they they beat the team by 20, right? Or they don't. I I was watching 30 for 30 on the airplane the other day. The Celtics, did you see the Celtics Lakers rivalry from the 80s? Yes, yep. That was great, right? And you watch the passing the Celtics did between Parrish and and and Byrd, right, and Johnson. Right, they're passing the ball all over the place. Magic passing it to right to Asian.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

And they played defense. Don't forget, Joe, they also play defense, they crash the boards every time, too, right? Like they but separated.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Yes, they crashed the boards that play defense, but the offense wasn't just bombing threes, it was passing back and forth, getting it close, and then putting it in. They don't really do that anymore. They're just bombing.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

If you watch college basketball, you're basically watching really competitive, probably the most competitive of all the sports is college basketball, especially during the play postseason as well. Because you got offense, you got defense, you got you know, you're nail biting to the very end a lot of these games. It's very much like that, while the NBA has just turned into a free-for-all.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

So it is. All right, before we jump off the NBA, I want to mention two cards that I just found intriguing. Joel Mbiebs, rookie, you know, and again, a panini, prism, gold pulser, you know, 38 grand. That's that's a car. Go buy a car. A car or a card, right? Add a D at the end of it. And then we have Edwards, uh, sorry, Anthony Edwards. His is this card is a uh a hoops gold artist gem pop for $69.9. Can you imagine spending $70,000 on his card? Unbelievable. And these cards are just a few years old. It's not like these are 19 uh 29 uh Honus Wagner, like bubblegum card that you're finding, right? And so this is what people don't get. Like they think about us collecting cards, like oh, I paid a quarter, I got 10 cards and a crappy piece of gum. People are looking, they're paying big money looking for these cards right now. And if they get them, you know, look at what we're talking about here as uh as a turnaround. But and and there's cards HQ by in in Atlanta by you. That's the big spot. And again, Tom Brady just opened 12 card stores across the U.S. So this is stocks right now, right? Up and down. But let's wrap that up on that, and let's finish up on the uh on baseball. We're we're a few weeks in. It's still too cold for a lot of these teams to play. I think it was snowing in the Mets Rockies again yesterday or the day before.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

I think it's just snowing in the Mets season, but you know, they're cross-town rivals, your favorite New York Yankees are tied with the Cubs and my Braves for the best record in baseball right now.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

And the Cubs, the Cubs is surprising because they don't have great weather in Chicago either.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

No, but they're they're a strong team, they're a really good team. And did you watch there's two things I wanted to mention real quick. Did you watch that Reds game yesterday or at least hear about it?

SPEAKER_01 18:28

No, the last Reds game I saw was when they let the the Reds pitchers tie a major league record for seven walks versus the pirates on Saturday. Did you see that game?

SPEAKER_00 18:42

Yes, and then the Reds did they they're on a losing streak, and they did then Tyler Stevenson, the catcher, did the most literally bonehead mistake you could have done without. And I felt really bad for the guy when it all happened because I was actually watching it. They were the the this is the third inning, so the Reds have been on a losing streak. Obviously, the Cubs are on the winning streak, they've been beating them up, but we go into the third inning, and the Cubs are only up, I think, one or two runs, and then all of a sudden the Reds started to self-destruct. Um the pitcher was who was pitching yesterday. It was um louder was pitching for the Reds, and he started falling apart, and then he walked a couple players, and then um he had some shoulder discomfort, so he came out, and then the reliever Connor Phillips came in. Base is loaded, I think it was one out. Dansby hits a ball to the third baseman, um, Hayes, he touches the third base. Okay, so if you're if you know baseball and the rules, if you touch the base third base first, and then you throw it to home plate, what does the catcher have to do? Well, you have two choices. You can either tag the player, right? Or not. And in this case, if you don't tag the player, he's safe. So what happened was Stevens um got the ball and is and he touches the home plate thinking it was a force out instead of tagging the player, and then he looks up and the and the umpire and everyone else, like you were supposed to tag the player, and that scored a run that could have been two outs right there, and then afterwards the floodgates open because then then the cup scored um five additional runs right afterwards and beat him like uh eight three. Yeah, so it was that one bonehead play, and then actually in between there, there was a base hit that took place. The center fielder threw the ball in Stevens right to Stevens' glove, and he basically dropped as they as he collided with the player coming in. So it was a bad inning altogether for him, and it was just a little league mistake.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

So well, I give the Cubs credit too because that was their 15th straight at Wrigley, and again, the weather's not great there, right? So I'm not using that as an excuse. The Mets think in you know, warm weather, cold weather, or any weather, but definitely cold weather does not benefit baseball, right? So it it it the the heat carries the ball better uh rather than the cold. They actually, and the the players will never uh agree to this because they'd have to take less money, but this needs to go back to a 150-game season, not 162. Well, up 12 right off of it. They don't want to play it. They they it's all all basketball, they've been trying to like, you know, the NBA regular season is useless, right? With with between play-ins and everything else, everybody just wants playoffs. So why do we need 162 baseball games? 150 is fine.

SPEAKER_00 21:47

So you're gonna need that because believe it or not, viewership is up 44 percent right now in Major League Baseball. Ben Verlander from the ML from Fox MLB. Came out with a article yesterday talking about how Major League Baseball viewership is up forty-four percent from the year prior.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Is that I is that tell nationally televised games or is that all games?

SPEAKER_00 22:12

There are no nationally televised games. There are there's Fox still puts on games and Fox will put on a game NBC puts on a game on Saturday night, and then Apple TV has it. It takes there are, I was looking at this, there are nine different ways you can watch baseball. You know, back in the 80s, getting back to prior comment by Ted Turner, he was the kind of the godfather in terms of obviously cable and getting TV viewership, where the Braves were TBS, and that's how I got to know them in the 80s. And the Cubs and with WGN was always kind of national, so that's how that happened. Today, it takes a little bit of a work to find your team, right? So, yes, you may have one national game on Saturday night, and maybe one national game on Sunday, and then maybe one on Friday, but to find your local team is takes a lot of work, and ironically, you got to spend anywhere from a hundred dollars. I think the casual fan, if you really are a fan of baseball, could cost you anywhere from $120 to $250 just to watch your teams. So watch them on TV. On TV, right. In fact, it's probably more expensive to watch baseball on TV than it is to go in person.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

I'm not even so I think you mentioned something earlier that I find interesting because to your point, growing up, we only had the three major networks ABC, CBS, uh, NBC.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

It was just NBC for it was NBC baseball, and then you had occasionally you had ESPN this Sunday night, I think it was still then, and then you had TBS and WGN for the Braves and the Cubs, and that was it. That was all you had.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

I'm going back before even cable because we only had again ABC, CBS, uh, NBC, right, channel five, which again I'm speaking for New York terms. It was five, nine, and eleven, which were kind of local channels. Mets were on nine, and Yankees were on eleven. This is before the Yes Network, this is before sports channel, and then you know, I'm sure you had similar stuff in Dallas. Right. But to your point, the other day I have YouTube TV, and I think you have YouTube TV, right? Yep. So when I put when I go looking for something, I just turn it on and it's always highlighted there. I don't even know what station anything is on anymore. Right. Or or care unless I can't find it, and then I start searching for it. But it's almost become irrelevant. To your point, even when I looked when the when NBA playoffs started, there were seven different, let's call them networks, including the streaming ones, that were airing everything. And some of them were exclusive, only on Peacock, only on Prime. So, and Paul, Paul and I did this in a thing. I think 60% of the US households have um Netflix, right? That's probably the biggest. And then Prime, Amazon Prime is right after that with like 47, and then it drops off big time from there, right? But but after Netflix and Prime, who's buying Peacock? I think last year you would know this. The the Kansas City Chiefs playoff game is on Peacock exclusively on Peacock. And then a huge ratings on that one, too. What so what does that tell you? Like, did people well, I'd love to know the percentage of people that signed up for Peacock for a free seven-day trial, watched the game and canceled it right after the Chiefs game, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:45

They're ordering those sets. Or they're like me and just left it alone, and next time you're paying seven, ten dollars a month every month for this. I mean, it's amazing. You you discretionary income is kind of off balance right now. So I think eventually people are gonna have to realize what's good because again, Major League Baseball, despite all the criticism that's out there from all the fan bases, they're increasing their their television viewership somehow, some way, and people are buying into it because they like watching baseball. There's nothing to watch right now, by the way, Joe. I don't know if he noticed this. Network TV in my house doesn't even exist. If if it's not the streaming show I'm gonna watch, then I'm basically watching baseball.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

So we no, I agree, and we complained, we all complained forever about how much cable is, and we're all gonna cut the cable cord. Yet you and I now pay what is it, 80, 80, 80 bucks a month for YouTube TV?

SPEAKER_00 26:41

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

Before we even start talking about Netflix, is what like 16? Okay, prime. We could say we get for free, but we're paying for the Amazon Prime membership anyway. I have Peacock, I have Apple TV, I have Paramount Plus, I have Starz, and I have HBO Max. So I have all that, too. To be fair, I'm not paying for all of them because I'm swapping logos with some buddies, yeah, which like is a whole big you know, hub. But we all know everybody's doing that to some degree somewhere. So it's yeah, it's it's incredible.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

The amount of cost to watch sports today. I mean, I mean, to go to a game nowadays, to go to a football game is outrageous, right? And then NFL makes it a little bit easier. There's an antitrust case right now happening right now in the courts as we speak today about the NFL and the and the way they have viewership, right? And their argument is if you try to unbundle what we're doing, it's gonna be more expensive for individuals. Look at MLB because they're they're proving their point. And I hope that and I never really rooted for the NFL to win anything, but I want them to win this one because if they end up becoming unbundled, in the in lack of a better term, there, then it's gonna be more expensive to watch NFL because people want to watch the NFL. They're the highest ratings in every in every gamut, and we all want to watch and consume that because there's nothing else to watch on TV, nothing captures your attention as much as the NFL, or now college football, and of course now it's you know, you know, baseball, NBA, and everything else, it's sports. So if you like you're saying, if you start to make it all these different channels, we're going from bundling cable, which we're paying to $250 a month, right? For a thousand channels, you only watch like 10 to now we're doing YouTube TV, which is 80 bucks, but then you're adding on all these other channels, like Apple, Peacock, Prime, Tulu, and then you're you're getting back to $200, right? So you're basically doing it.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

That was my point. That was my point earlier. Like seven streaming channels later. Now, I will say to your point about a thousand channels, only watch 10, which was true. At that point, we were still adding on HBO for $15 a month. True. And adding something, right? So now we're getting quality because now quality has come to all the streaming networks, right? Like some great movies and series that are better than what you see in the theater are on the streaming things now. So they've put the money into that. So I think at the end of the day, we're almost paying the same, but we're getting better quality because we're choosing our streaming networks. Well, I didn't expect this to be a streaming network conversation again, but that that's some good stuff. Let's wrap it up there. Uh thanks for uh joining me again. Say goodbye.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Thank you guys. Thank you very much, Joe. Really appreciate the time. Have a great weekend to everyone. And as always, go braves.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

No, no, no, go braves. We're not ending it on that. Um, follow, follow us on here, and um, we'll see you soon. Take care, everyone. Take care. See ya.