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2 Vintage Sports Guys - Episode 20

• Joe Rendace • Season 1 • Episode 20

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Join Joe and special guest host, TJ Rives, Tampa Bay Bucs sideline reporter and Podcast host, as they discuss their Mount Rushmore choices for sports movies. The only thing they agreed on was that they disagreed about their choices!     

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SPEAKER_01

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome back to Two Advantage Sports Guys. I am your host, Joe Rendacci. I have a very special guest today, podcast host today, Mr. TJ Reeves, who does the litany things, which he'll go into here. He's the Tampa Bay Bucks sideline reporter. He does 80s and 90s movies podcasts. And uh I'm gonna let him go into a little in-depth on it. Welcome, my friend.

SPEAKER_00

Uh, listen, it's good to are we vintage already, or is this like a trial? Is this a tryout as to whether I'm vintage or not?

SPEAKER_01

I'm just curious as we I don't see gray hairs on you, so I'll be the vintage.

SPEAKER_00

No, you see lack of you see lack of hairs on me as we do the video hookup. So thank you for having me. Yes, I probably have too many hats. Uh Buccaneers Radio Podcast, the 80s and 90s movies podcast that you referenced is called We've Seen That, the website and the podcast. And I just had twin 18-year-olds graduate from high school, and we're dealing with that at the time that we're doing this. Other than that, my friend, I got nothing going on right now. But I I uh I appreciate the invite to hang out with you.

SPEAKER_01

You got plenty of time. All right, let's let's run through this. So, we're not gonna do the normal sports jargon today. We're not gonna talk about what happened and game seven coming up with OKC and San Antonio, which should be great. We're not gonna talk about the uh Knicks losing Mr. Finger there to make that an interesting series. Let's talk about things that live forever and ever. Sports movies. We're gonna build two sports uh Mount Rushmore is here, my four versus your four, and we will uh deliciously argue why each of us are deliciously.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, go ahead. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Deliciously. Can you tell I'm Italian? And food is always involved there. So all right, here we go. So I will start with my first one. You can debate it, then we will move to your first one, and we will start from there. The first one is baseball. And how could you think of anything else other than Major League? Right? One of the greatest baseball and I believe sports movies, uh, just a few things from it. Uh, the director, he was a Cleveland Indians fan, and he felt the only way he would ever see them win was to fake it and make the movie.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and as it turns out, uh it they were lovable losers, and then it's almost like art uh imitated life, because then the Indians actually, shortly after that, got good and actually did make the World Series. So he maybe spoke it into existence by making the movie.

SPEAKER_01

Well, and to that point, right? The owner in the movie wanted to move the team to Miami. And what happens four years later, Miami, the Marlins become an expansion team that win their first World Series in '97. And who do they beat? A heavily flavored flavored. I'm still talking food. A heavily favored Cleveland team.

SPEAKER_00

So there's a that's exactly that's exactly right. It is uh it is ironic. I love I love your choice. It's not on my mount, Rushmore, but I love your choice. And in particular, for all of the anecdotes that you see, uh, write down to uh Corbin Bernstein as Roger Dorn, the infielder, saying, I have my contract and I don't have to take any ground balls in practice, and I don't have to do any calisthenics, and Lou Brown, the manager, we get a urinalysis at that point. Urinates right on the contract, and you know that is a story that the producers and the writers got straight out of a major league baseball manager-player dispute. That's that's exactly where they got that. So you love those different things from this movie.

SPEAKER_01

Was that actually um, you know, the what they do, what they add lib is right, is always the best. Like one of my favorite things is Clue Hayward, right? The big Yankee hitter, is actually former Brew is pitcher Pete Vukovich, which you can remember, right? Yes. So you go get a pitcher who never hit a home run in his real life to play the slugger on the Yankees. And apparently he was such a trash talker that he had libs to me, one of the best lines that I used forever and a day on my friends. How's your wife and my kids? That's his that's his own line.

SPEAKER_00

Well, you actually want to reveal something here that I did not know. Uh 37 years later, I did not know this. I knew that they had some challenges, but you have a specific note about a challenge with Wesley Snipes, where the producers and the director of the movie had to fake it till you make it with Wesley Snipes, right? As a baseball player.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, he couldn't throw a ball. So there's no Phillip scenes of him throwing a ball. He could run, he makes his little basket catch, right? But he can't throw a ball. He's got that uh Chuck Knoplock uh thing.

SPEAKER_00

It's not it's not now he could run. Willie Mays Hayes nailing the uh the the gloves up to the wall for every set of stolen bases or every stolen base in the game, he had a set of gloves up on the wall. And you also know it's an antidote when he popped the ball up on the infield and uh and did the push-ups, because every time he popped it up from then on, they said you're gonna owe me 25 or owe me 50 or whatever it was. And you know that came from a game where he pops it up and starts doing the push-ups. So much great stuff where you know they call Tom Berenger's character Jake in the uh the Mexican hotel with the broad and the sombrero on, and he thinks it's a prank call, and he's he's answering the phone the whole bit. And then they call Lou at the at the car dealership where he's working, and he says, uh, you know, this is Charlie Donovan, right, with the Indians. Do you want to manage the Indians this year? I don't know, Charlie. I got white walls coming in.

SPEAKER_01

So I like that's a good that's a good impersonation.

SPEAKER_00

I try, I try. That's why I do an 80s and 90s movies podcast. But in any event, I'm propping your Mount Rushmore selection for Major League. So I give I give you a nod for Major League. It still works, it works 30, 40 years later.

SPEAKER_01

And really, is that movie that movie without Bob Ucher and his and his just absolutely not? I it's just they just let him go. Like halfway.

SPEAKER_00

And a lot of it was a lot of it was him writing in and ad-libbing a lot of what you hear. And the fascinating thing is obviously he he had risen to prominence around that time with the sitcom Mr. Belvedere, the character comedy show. But he is probably best of that. This and this uh probably supersedes not only Mr. Belvedere but the Miller Light commercials. Like Joe, I must be in the front row. This supersedes it, him being Harry Doyle in this movie, the announcer, and he is tremendous in that role, and he helps make the movie. I totally agree.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and I'm not gonna end just on this. The the writer, director, he didn't even know that Yuka was the brewest radio broadcaster for 20 years when he asked him to play the broadcaster. How about that? How about that?

SPEAKER_00

Probably just knew him from Mr. Belvedere.

SPEAKER_01

So we'll end on that. I have not changed your mind to put this on your Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_00

That is not on my Mount Rushmore. I have my four. I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong here. I'm just telling you, when you pin me down, I have four of them. And I can see where you would put Major League up there in terms of sports comedies. I've got a sports comedy coming on mine. I gotta go right away when you hit me with this topic. The number one sports movie for me forever, and here it is now, almost 50 years later, is Rocky, the original. Sylvester Stallone with Carl Weathers, Talia Shire, Burgess Meredith, and Rocky, the original. Rocky and Apollo Creed fighting for the heavyweight championship of the world. It's a story that is born out of the uh kind of everyman Chuck Webner literally coming out of nowhere to fight Muhammad Ali in the mid-1970s. And Apollo Creed, Carl Weather's character, is obviously taken at that time frame from Muhammad Ali. But the story is an amazing story that Stallone wrote. He starred in it, and it gets me every time, Joe. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

SPEAKER_01

And he's running up the steps and the film is great, right? Any any arena you're in when though when those trumpets stop blasting, like, you know, you get up. But tell me this, because a lot of this is in hindsight. This is like hearing a great song that you can't really listen to anymore because you've heard it at nauseum, like Bohemian Rhapsody and on and on.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Is Rocky the first one to you special because it kicks it all off, or you think it's the best of all the Rocky movies, hands down?

SPEAKER_00

I think both. It is the one that kicks it off, so it's special for that reason. And I think it is the best because Stallone never knew if they were going to make another movie. He was not guaranteed that there was gonna be a three-picture, you know, trilogy of this. And the massive success and the fact that it won the Academy Award for Best Picture is what spawned, okay, we need another one back in those days. And I'm not saying that the second one and the third one or even the fourth one aren't good if not tremendous. They're really the ending of the second one on how he wins the heavyweight title, which for those that don't uh aren't that familiar with the uh the film, the end sequence was brilliant brilliantly uh written and choreographed by Stallone. It's it's his ending he came up with that they would knock each other down at the end of the second movie. The end of the first movie is Rocky has lost the decision confidential, uh controversially at the end of the 15-round fight. And now there's the impetus, big word for your podcast, there's the impetus to have a rematch. That's the second movie. And the second movie ends with him winning the title, with he and Apollo Creed both knocking each other down, and the slow motion scene of them going down and struggling to get up is all about struggle. And it's it's you know, literally like about a 30-second scene for the 10 count. And you can hear the announcers in the background if neither man gets up, it's a draw, and Creed is gonna retain the title. And there's the the refs going six, seven, and they're already they're showing the cutaways. Get up, get up. That's the end of the second one. But I'm just saying to Joe here on the vintage, the two guys vintage pod, there is no second one if the first one ain't great, baby. Oh, absolutely the studio doesn't get it.

SPEAKER_01

You don't get three and four and five and 106 and 107.

SPEAKER_00

You said to me before we began, I gotta talk about Thunder lips at the beginning of Rocky III and Mr. T and the whole bit. So you favor the third one more than the first one, is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01

It's almost like a cartoon that is just so deliciously, evilly, deliciously good. Like I just I mean, that launched, right? Um, Hulk Hogan and the whole 1980s, which I used to watch twice a day on broadcast TV at 16 years old. I used to hold up a silver foil outside my window to try to get a signal from Connecticut while I'm in New York to get the TV. A third episode of wrestling of WWF and Jesse the Body Ventura.

SPEAKER_00

The WWF. Fun fact, he had he had started as Hulk Hogan. He had not become ultra famous, he wanted to do the movie, and Vince McMahon Sr. the five did you know this? Do you know this? Vince McMahon Sr. fired him from the WWF for going to do the movie because he was going outside of their contract, their business. He was out of the WWF for like 60 days because of that, till they finally worked it out. And part of that was oh, by the way, he's really ridiculously famous now that he's been in Rocky III, and you can parlay that into big business for the WWF, and they did, and the rest is history. Thunder Lips got fired, Joe, for being in Rocky.

SPEAKER_01

That's in the whole. Did you watch the whole uh mini-series on Vince McMahon? They they cover that.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

That was really good. So let me ask you this. Yeah, three is my favorite movie, hands down. A little bit cartoon-ish. The the the fighting is not real, obviously, from the amount of times they get hit in each other's head, and they're just keep I mean, the whole thing. You you you accept it for what it is when you walk into the theater. Who is your favorite? I don't want to say villain, who is your favorite fighter that Rocky fights through the whole series?

SPEAKER_00

I would just you could you could say I would do I would defer to Carl Weathers as just Apollo. As Apollo. Now, Mr. T plays the role tremendously, and Stallone very famously discovered him as a bouncer at a bar. They were at a bar, they were doing some kind of uh sight uh, you know, sight checks of different places where they might want to shoot, and that's what and he had he had done some kind of tough man competition, the uh the actor that played Mr. T, uh, and is Mr. T by the stage name. And so he's menacing as the villain, and Dolph Lungren is menacing as the Drago villain and in the as the Russian. Another fun fact. But another another fun fact, Dolph Lundgren of Swedish descent, Dolph Lundgren spoke six languages, none of them Russian. And he's off in Draco in the fourth one. But uh Stallone said this when Carl Weathers passed away a couple of years ago. He said, When we went to audition for the Apollo Creed character, the Muhammad Ali uh type character that we were gonna have, and Carl Weathers walked in the room. Yeah, he said, I saw and sensed greatness. He goes, and the man began to read for the part, and I'm looking at the other producers and I'm going, he is Apollo Creed. It's him. And so I can you consider him a villain? I don't know how much of a villain he is, but it's a great counterpart to Rocky. He's the heavyweight champ, and he is so uh burdened by the fact that he did not decisively win the first fight. He's got to convince Rocky to to fight him again, he's got to insult Rocky, and they fight again, and that makes the second movie, and that that starts the whole franchise. So I put that one on my mount rushmore.

SPEAKER_01

Rocky and who wins the third fight between the two of them? Well, that it takes 30 years to uh to figure out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, remember they end with the painting, right? With the uh the image at the end of Rocky III of of uh I I thought you said you got over this. I lied. Oh, you lied, and they have to go they have to get in the ring and try to settle it themselves quietly away from everybody.

SPEAKER_01

So and who wins it? We know who wins it only 30, 40 years later.

SPEAKER_00

What's the what's the revelation?

SPEAKER_01

Because I don't even know that on the fun fact, because I never got into the creed movies, but that's and you would have to have watched the first creed movie to for Rocky to admit that he lost the third belt.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, to Apollo in the uh in the trilogy. But that that is my first one on my Mount Rushmore. So where are you going next on your Mount Rushmore after you went to the show?

SPEAKER_01

Didn't convince me to put it on my Mount Rushmore, maybe on my Mount Rushmore souvenir in the gift shop of a little mountain, maybe Rocky trillion. Maybe the whole Rocky series would go on there. But good work, good work with that. All right, where I'm going next after Major League, that's my first. The second becomes sticking with baseball, the bad news bears. Now, I gotta say, you know, this all becomes personal to us. When this movie came out in 76, I'm eight years old. I'm in little league.

SPEAKER_00

And hopefully, you were not allowed to see it as an eight-year-old. Were you allowed to watch that movie as an eight-year-old?

SPEAKER_01

I saw him out of it. Yeah, but my family took me to see everything. I saw Adimal House two years later at 10 years old. My grandfather took me to see it.

SPEAKER_00

Now we're beginning to understand more about uh Joe's problems and it's his upbringing of 45, 50 years ago. Continue on about the bad news bears.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay. So, I mean, that there's just so much with us. First of all, this is Quentin Tarantino, uh, Kevin Smith, Philip Ciro Hoffman, one of their favorite films of all time. Uh, and we're only talking the original. The two sequels, Breaking Training and Go to Japan, eh, crap.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

The the um what Billy Bob remake? Crap. We're talking about the original movie, which was filmed with uh what a handheld camera at most points to make to give you that feel that you're on the field, that you're actually there. And again, if you're a a guy or even if a girl and you were playing Little League at that time, this was just it meant that much more to you. Okay. So that's what I'm leading with. And then if you look at it, it was written by you know who it was written by? This was written by Bert Lancaster's kid. Right? Wow, a little nepotism there to to to get it in. And then they had um Jody Foster was originally cast as Amanda to play it. Christy McNichol auditioned for it, right? All the little the little stars at the time. And uh even Sarah Jessica Parker interviewed for this.

SPEAKER_00

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Right? But ultimately, Tatum O'Neill. Tatum O'Neill. Tatum O'Neill, right? And her father Ryan O'Neill just coming off of Paper Moon at the time, they made that. Her career wouldn't really go anywhere after this, and I think um uh what you would call Buttermaker, played by Walter Mattdown, was kind of winding down at this point. And um I think what was interesting is in Vic Morrow, you remember Vic Morrow, who's the hosting coach? Yes, he would die in that horrific helicopter crash for the Twilight Zone movie uh about five years later. And so every time I watch it, I kind of you know, you you can't not think that uh as you're you're watching this. But um and do you know who Vic Morrow's uh daughter is? Geneva Jason Lee.

SPEAKER_00

Never really look at listen to you breaking, listen to you being a vintage guy breaking news to me. Now I have to say I did not get the chance. Southern upbringing, we haven't talked about this, son of a Baptist preacher. I was not watching Bad News Bears of the 1970s uh in the theater as a little TJ, but years later, obviously, it's on cable, it's on HBO, it's being replayed. I've always I've I've seen it, I've always loved it. Uh Pop Quiz, Buttermaker's Occupation. What was he doing before he was Clayton Pools? He's he was a pool cleaner. I love it. Yeah, it was clean and pulls. Clean and pools, you gotta love that, and a tremendous story about how he turns the ragamuffin team with the sponsored uniforms from a bail bondsman, Chico's Bale Bonds. We love that code name in all walks of life. So I give you another nod. You go back-to-back baseball comedies on your Mount Rushmore. I went much more serious with Rocky. You've gone light with both of you.

SPEAKER_01

I'm trying to keep it light, and and I will just finish with this. To me, it always comes down to music or even themes in movies, right? We talked about Rocky, that that theme, you hear those those trumpets. Bad news bears. When they start playing the Carmen operatic music, yes, yes, there's nothing like it to me, right?

SPEAKER_00

Oh my god, and they're gonna have to go shake the Yankees' hands after they lose. And uh yeah, and just like you're Rocky, I'll I'll do a little parallel. What is it will get you next year, you damn Yankees.

SPEAKER_01

Right, and and to your point, just like your Rocky, they both lose, right? Usually the heroes win.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, good point.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, they they both lose this, and um, and really, a movie filled with kids was not a kid movie, they curse all over the place. Of course, they're racist, they're raunchy.

SPEAKER_00

Kelly is smoking during the movie, yes. There's all kinds of things that are going on in that movie.

SPEAKER_01

All right, so you like ditch, but this is not etched not to Mount Rushmore either.

SPEAKER_00

It is not, it is not Mount, it is not TJ Mount Rushmore movie. So, vintage guy, you have gone two comedies, and I'm gonna go back to another dramatic movie that is it's probably uh of the one of all of these that we're talking about, the one that I've seen the most in part or whole, and that's Hoosier's. That's Gene Hackman, that's Dennis Hopper, that is Barbara Hershey, and I agree with the uh the former ESPN personality. Now he's on the ringer with all of his podcasts, all of his writing on ringer.com. Bill Simmons called it the most uncomfortable kiss in the history of Hollywood cinema, is Gene Hackman kissing Barbara Hershey in the in the cold dark cornfield for Hoosiers. Hoosiers is on my Mount Rushmore. It's the second one I'm going with. It is actually based on the true story of the 1950s tiny town of Mylan, Indiana, as Mylan won the uh the state championship in the classification years where everybody played in the same tournament. The little schools all played the medium schools and the big schools, and the little schools never won. They never did anything in the 1940s and the 1950s, but then suddenly this Mylan High School from the tiny town ended up winning the state championship. So the story is based on that, with Gene Hackman as the coach, with Dennis Hopper as a former player in the town who has now become the town drunk. And uh Hackman attempts to befriend him. You've got Barbara Hershey as the educator and one of the prominent teachers at the school who does not like Hackman from the word go, and um Norman Dale's character Norman Dale's the character, the coach. She doesn't like Norman Dale at all. And so you have great antagonistic between him and her. And she's kind of a second mother overseeing the star player, Jimmy Chitwood. Chitwood is not playing basketball, but the whole town believes he's the key to winning. You have all kinds of storylines. You have great 1950s uniforms and ugly tennis shoes and uh and the whole bit of Indiana basketball. And I like what you said earlier. The score, the music in the movie. The hair on the back of my neck, Joe, is standing up right now, just listening to those songs, the 80s synthesizer music and the whole bit as the tiny fictitious team, Hickory High School, goes on to win. Of course, in this case, the heroes win the state championship. The Milan team won the state championship. So Hickory, the fictitious team, goes on to win the championship on the last second shot by the player that uh that they had to convince to come play on the team. So many great scenes, so many lines in that movie. I gotta go Hoosiers.

SPEAKER_01

I I I respect your craft and your love of the art. And these are two fine movies. To me, it's a little slow, it's a little bit of a snoozer. I'm not feeling it etched in my heart as you are. I respect everything you say. And if I think of the number one thing I think of every time I think of this movie is what year did it come out? 1986. What and who won the 86-87 NCAA men's basketball championship?

SPEAKER_00

Indiana.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, how does that happen? It's poetic. How does that happen? All right, I'll tell you a couple of other people should remember from that corner baseline shot. Keith Smart. Keith Smart. Hitting that shot, right?

SPEAKER_00

I could still I could still see Indiana defeating Syracuse, as a matter of fact, for the National Time. Okay, so to back up for the movie, a couple of other fun facts, because again, we did Hoosier's as well on We've Seen That, that they did an open casting for the players that you see, and they wanted people that had basketball ability. You mentioned Wesley Snipes earlier in our conversation, couldn't throw a baseball and they had to hide it. They wanted guys that could play basketball, not necessarily actors. They figured we can teach them the lines and teach them how to act. This is a lower budget movie on how to do that. So there's only one character in the movie. He's also in the movie Bull Durham, who had been an actor and he had acted in a couple of other things. And uh he is playing shooter's son in the movie, who's very conflicted because uh Normandale is helping Dennis Hopper, you know, the Hackman's helping Dennis Hopper, but the son has no use for the dad. The dad is a drunk, he doesn't want the dad around him, whatever. That actor is the only one that had really been an actor uh before this. And another fascinating nugget is the actor that plays Jimmy, the heroic character at the very end, he almost, because of how long the line was and how long it was taking to do the player auditions, he almost left. He almost didn't stick around because it took a couple of hours to work your way through the line to then come in and audition because they had hundreds of guys trying to audition to play the basketball players. So the the lead character, Marius Vilnius is his name, almost left the casting call and he would have never been Jimmy Chitwood. Somebody else would have had to have been Jimmy Chitwood. So the movie, I I love the movie. Not just every March, but I'll I'll watch it on a random night in the in the summer or in the fall or whatever. I've probably seen part or all of it a hundred times. Give me hoosiers on my Mount Rushmore. Do you want any more trivia or you want to move on? You want any more trivia?

SPEAKER_01

I got one more. Uh it's it's a trivia question for you. So hit me. Get Hackman plays Coach Norman Dale, but Jack Nicholson wanted to play this role, but he was serving as a witness in a lawsuit and it sidelined himself.

SPEAKER_00

Crazy that Colonel Nathan Jessup from A Few Good Men, you can't handle the truth, was almost Coach Norman Dale. You're right.

SPEAKER_01

That's who they're thinking would have been better or worse with Nicholson.

SPEAKER_00

Worse. Worse. I think Hackman plays it perfectly, and I don't know that Nicholson would have played it as well. Maybe he would have. I don't know. How about this?

SPEAKER_01

Let's flip that. Do you think Hackman could have played Nicholson and a few good men on that stand just as well?

SPEAKER_00

Possibly, but not as good. Not as good. Uh they both work separately well. Um, how about this fun one? If you ever see Hoosiers again for the audience, not just for Joe. Do you know the montage where the team is coming together, starting to play better? And Shooter is now on the bench and he's dried out as an alcoholic, and the team is starting to click and they're winning a couple of games, and the music is playing, and they're showing slow motion shots of them making baskets, and then they're showing a slow motion shot of the bus ride with the caravan at night with all the lights on, and they're showing them on the bus, and it's just a music montage that's going on for about 90 seconds. If you're not ultra familiar, I just describe it to you. If you get a chance to see it again, there is a cutaway where Hackman is sitting on the bench for the game, live action scene. They're showing the simple little cutaway, and he turns to Dennis Hopper and he says something. And they both start laughing, and it doesn't fit, Joe. But they left it in the movie. It doesn't fit. Why are they laughing in the middle of the basketball game during a music montage? Do you want to know on the two vintage guys talking movies what they are joking about because both actors confirm this?

SPEAKER_01

Well, I absolutely want to know now. Tell me.

SPEAKER_00

Hackman believed the movie was going to tank and was terrible. And he had gone through a divorce right around 1985 or 86 and was having money trouble. And he knew Dennis Hopper in his career was in trouble. And he looked at Hopper watching these scenes, and he finally just said to him, I don't know if you're well invested or not, but this movie is the end of our careers. And that's when Hopper, that's when Hopper starts laughing at him. He's making a joke. This movie is the end of our careers.

SPEAKER_01

I can't believe that that's a great story. And I can't believe that two legends were you're telling me broke in the summer of 85.

SPEAKER_00

In the mid-1980s and 85 and 86, Gene Hackman absolutely verified I was having money problems. And he goes, I know Dennis was having to make this movie, and it was a low budget movie, and it was so disjointed to them on how it was being shot and being done. That if you ever see this again, now look for the Easter egg. When they show that montage scene about 45 minutes into the movie where the team is coming together, that's the joke that they're laughing about over on the Google or YouTube that's going to be a movie. And the movie obviously goes on to massive success, nominated for the Academy Award. It actually won a, I think, an Academy Award for the music, for the or it got nominated at least for the score. And every March it means college basketball. I'm such a college basketball fan, anyway. It's tremendous. So who's yours is number two on my Mount Rushmore?

SPEAKER_01

Where are you going next? That's you. You are you have a very monumental rushmore so far. I've I've thrown two comedies basically at you, and I'm gonna go with a third. Here we go. All right. My third one. We'll we're finally switching sports over to football. And I just love the replacements with Keanu Reeves and Gene Hackman. Gene Hackman as the coach back in the story here, and a whole bunch of John Favreau and on and on and on. And me, and again, I think movies can become personal to us. Uh, there was a little period of my life that there was some things going down, and I just went home every night and I watched this movie for about a month straight every night, and it just made me laugh. It's not meant to do anything more than to make it.

SPEAKER_00

And again, they pulled they pulled stories. They pulled stories from players that remember they had replacement players in the NFL in the in the uh late 1980s. Yeah, because of the NFL strike, the player relations strike, they actually used replacement players, and so that's where it the uh the idea behind these are guys that are now everyday guys that have played some football that are now going to be the replacement players to get out there and go play. So yeah, yep. And I have to confess it's not one of my favorites, it's one that I've seen some of. I I saw it all the way through like once. I love Hackman in so many things. I love Keanu Reeves. Uh uh I love uh Keanu Reeves, excuse me. I love uh I love the storyline, but if I'm picking football movies, I've got another one on my mount rushmore coming up in a few moments. But I can appreciate the fact that you enjoy Hackman and uh and the replacements.

SPEAKER_01

I just and again, I love some of the the back bits for this. I mean, Keanu Reeves, he gave him 23 pounds for this, and he's playing a former Ohio State quarterback. And you know what's that's the same backstory for another movie of his point break.

SPEAKER_00

Point break. He's the former Ohio State. What is it, Johnny Johnny Utah? Johnny Utah, special agent Utah, with he and the late Patrick Swayze that he is a former quarterback uh at Ohio State in that movie as well. Phenomenal movie, point break.

SPEAKER_01

And they said he played he played well enough that the the Ravens offered him a tryout that year, and then they went on to win the Super Bowl six months later.

SPEAKER_00

And the repla how about that? And the replacements right around the same time as the Matrix movies, uh as well. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

I think he filmed them back to back before Matrix really was a huge hit at that point. Yeah, and I think his only other really endeavor was what, Bill and Ted? A few years earlier.

SPEAKER_00

Bill and Ted. And uh he actually made a couple of other movies uh in and around the the 1990s. Uh he was um and then he became much bigger of a an action star in and around and off of this. And now most everybody knows him in the present day for these gory, horrific, over-the-top movies, the John Wick series, with all the the sequels to that. But yeah, it's it's a fun movie to go back and laugh at all the football and the anecdotes and the cheerleaders and uh and the I'm gonna give you just a few crazy behind-the-scenes facts.

SPEAKER_01

There's a guy in it who um Earl Wilkinson wears the jersey named Smith because he he's trying to hide that he's a convicted felon in the movie, right? And he's a great player. In real life, the actor who played him was actually convicted of a second degree murder in 2016 and sentenced to 40 years to late.

SPEAKER_00

God, he's actually now legitimately in prison. How is that with like a life imitating art? Absolutely, on the replacements. That's an opportunity.

SPEAKER_01

And also, let's stay in jail. Gary Glitter's Rock and Roll Part 2. You know the song, right? By the play it everywhere. Um he was convicted on child sexual abuse and attempted rape in 2015 for 16 years.

SPEAKER_00

So it's just Yeah, there's some some sad footnotes. And by the way, Hackman made this movie around a couple of his greats, Crimson Tide on the submarine with Denzel Washington, where he's the subcommander and they're having the argument on whether they're going to launch a nuclear warhead against the uh the Russians. Phenomenal. He made that before this. He also made a great movie with Will uh Smith, Enemy of the State, a dramatic movie about the um surveillance program, the United States surveillance program, and he's paying playing an ex CIA agent who's hooked up with Will Smith trying to help. They're trying to help each other and they're trying to stay alive. And I believe he may have made Enemy of the State right before he made the replacements and put the Fedora hat on, and uh like the old-time football coach, it was right around the same time.

SPEAKER_01

Right. He was supposed to be Tom Landry, basically, in that movie. But yeah, Enemy State was a great movie and wedge right in there, the birdcage.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Robert Williams. And he's playing the bombastic conservative senator who actually has to end up escaping from all the media by dressing up as a drag queen in the punchline uh at the end of the movie. And you will never listen to Sister Sledge and the We Are Family song any other way, other than remembering Gene Hackman and Nathan Lane and Robin Williams in the birdcage at the very end. Straight in heels.

SPEAKER_01

All right, so I'm gonna end mine on the meet I want you to meet comedy. That's that's my third one, and we move it to your third one, which will be I'm gonna go comedy.

SPEAKER_00

I can't I can't let you just have the entire party, pal. All right, yes, okay, John McLean. I'm gonna go backwards to 1980 and the all-time golf uh outcast, uh country club outcast movie, Caddyshack. And it still works for me as we're doing this now in the 2026 calendar year. This still works for me 45 years later. Now, country clubs aren't what they used to be anymore, with the elite of the elite walking around and keep the riff raft out. But this is a whole anti-establishment golf comedy on these people don't belong in a country club. And and actually, a lot of the stories and the anecdotes are what actually had happened with country clubs. So Chevy Chase, uh Bill Murray, the Ted Knight, Rodney Dangerfield, and on and on down the list in Caddyshack. It still works all these many years later for me. Uh, Dangerfield with all the one-liners. Uh Wang, it's a parking lot. I think this place is restricted, so don't tell them you're Jewish.

SPEAKER_01

So I mean Well, you know, the whole movie's ad-libbed, right? You you've watched the documentary based on the making of it, and it was just one big coke field party.

SPEAKER_00

Correct. And then wait a minute.

SPEAKER_01

It's supposed to be about the caddies.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

They just had to cut away from it because they had no room for that story.

SPEAKER_00

And it just basically turned into an anti-country club establishment movie that basically had no script, like the famous scene where Chevy Chase and Bill Murray are together and Bill Murray's giving him advice. It literally said on the script, Carl and Ty talk. That's all it says. And the rest that you're hearing is them just riffing. And by the way, they were arch enemies when that movie was made.

SPEAKER_01

I know I saw it out the documentary. I saw that.

SPEAKER_00

Chevy Chase had been on the first season of Saturday Live and was hated. And he had actually come back to guest host and gotten into a fist fight with Bill Murray during the week, during rehearsals. And it was well known they did not like each other and were arch enemies, and they kind of came together in that scene and in this movie and buried the hatchet figuratively. So it just works for me with all of the different you know stories. Miss it, Noonan. Miss it, Noonan, Noonan, miss it, miss it. We all quote golf and quote the lines from Caddyshack and uh if you took one person out of that movie and it would be nowhere as great, who would that be? That is, I think that's gotta be Rodney Dangerfield as well. It's gotta be. It's gotta be him. You could take you could Ted Knight is maybe second as Judge Smails. It's easy to do. He really is great as the foyer when your ship has come in. I know the whole poem. And you think you got the stock market beat, but the man worthwhile, Joe, is the man that can smile when his pants are too tight in the seat. Oh, he says so. You could you could probably do without Judge Schmail's Ted Knight, but he's the perfect punchline for everything they're doing, and Dangerfield is just great. I got this putter from Einstein, the man made a fortune in physics. Boom!

SPEAKER_01

I think I think the funniest thing is this was really Dangerfield's first big movie. And he every time he would come on the set and do his lines, nobody would laugh because they couldn't, because they're filming. And he thought he was bombing and freaking out, and they had to talk to him and say, We can't laugh, Rodney. Like we're filming this.

SPEAKER_00

We can't use the take if we're laughing behind the scenes, even though they were cracking up. Uh, he had done one movie before where he had done a couple of scenes in the movie where they told him, Stand over here, say this line, the whole bit. But like you said, when we meet his character and they pull up to the country club and he's got the Asian gentleman with him, Wang, that is all him doing his comedy act. He is saying, you know, hey, Wang, it's a parking lot. And he's saying, uh, I'm gonna put cotton those over here. And he goes, and I'm I need six of those uh golf balls, I need 10 of those naked lady tees. And what about this hat? You get a bowl of soup with this hat, and he looks over at Ted Knight and says, But it looks good on you. And he wakes out. That's all ad live. That's all Rodney doing his act. So Caddyshack, phenomenal. It never won any uh uh awards except for maybe Razzie comedy awards, but it's a raunchy 80s early comedy movie centered around golf that still works. It goes on my Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_01

Um and I will give you a golf clap, ironically, for putting it up there, even though I don't put here here's some like crazy stuff. I don't put it on my Mount Rushmore sports movies because for some reason, and and this is crazy because Bad News Bears is Little League Baseball, I don't attribute it so much to golf for me as just the country club and the comedy. I get how you have it there, but yet, if I was to tell you my top five movies of all time, this is one of them.

SPEAKER_00

So you don't put it on the sports movies, but you have it on the all-time movies.

SPEAKER_01

I act I absolutely do. It may be the funniest comedy to me of all time.

SPEAKER_00

By the way, let's just say this because we talked about sequels and I know you want to move on. Should never, ever, ever have made Caddyshack 2 with Jackie Mason. Absolutely, Dan Aykroyd, complete debacle, disavowed, should have never been made. It goes right up there with making like Grease 2.

SPEAKER_01

Oh my god, you just nailed what I was gonna say when you were done. Every time I have the conversation of best movies that never should have made a sequel, it's always Caddyshack and Grease.

SPEAKER_00

Two, correct. Caddyshack two, Grease Two, and there's probably a couple of other ones that should not have made a second movie, but those are the two at the top of the list. Just leave the classic alone. Don't go make the second one or the third one. All right, give me one more on your Mount Rushmore sports movies, and then I've got one more before we get out of here.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, I'm gonna finish with moving to another sport, which I am a big hockey fan. I think there could only be one movie if you're talking hockey, and that's Slapshot from 1977. But Paul Newman and the Hansen brothers. I was at a game the other day, and somebody is walking around with a Chiefs Hansons jersey stuff. Yes, love it 50 years later.

SPEAKER_00

But did he wrap his hands in the tin foil like the twins with the glasses and the uh it works as a minor league hockey comedy, and here again they're getting andotes. I'm sure the producer, the writer, anecdotes about the minor league hockey and all the different pranks and all the different stuff they're doing. And Paul Newman, who knew he could skate and could play hockey, he was such an iconic movie figure. Now, I have to confess to you, I don't I don't have a lot of knowledge on that one. I've watched it some, I I've watched it all the way through once. It's not a go-to for me the same way, but why is it a go-to for you? What makes it on your Mount Rushmore?

SPEAKER_01

You know, that is a great question. And again, being that they took me to movies I shouldn't have seen, I went and saw this in 1977 in the theater or two, right? My parents said grandparents should have been investigated in hindsight, but hey, right, like I'm here now discussing great movies. But he was, first of all, Paul Newman was 51 years old out there on ice in the summer of 77, which just again, another golf clap for uh people go out there and and do that. I mean, the Hansen brothers, right? You're talking guys, they're not actors, they're playing in the WHA, right? Minor league hockey. They could barely act, but they're just they're the stars of the movie, right? They're Bob Buchar from Major League.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, it works.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, they still the movie. Um they used the F bomb was dropped 74 times, uh, which was a record at the timer at least.

SPEAKER_00

Which, by the way, in the 1970s, that was a much, much bigger deal with vulgar language, etc. So, yes.

SPEAKER_01

And um I actually didn't realize this until just the other day when I was researching this. One of my favorite Christmas movies now is Christmas Story with you know uh Peter and the mother, Melinda Dylan Dylan is nude in this, and I never realized it was her until I read it and had it go back.

SPEAKER_00

And then she's the mom in a Christmas story, yes, as Mrs. Parker.

SPEAKER_01

Um they offered her a different role in the movie, and she goes, F no, I want to be in bed with Paul Newman. I don't care if I'm nude.

SPEAKER_00

I'm sure Joanne Woodward, Paul Newman's wife loved that, but hey, right, like and Paul Newman was such a big deal, obviously, in the 70s, especially with making all these movies, the 70s and then into the early 80s, early mid 80s, still making movies, ultra cool, and yes, slap shot. I'm gonna give you a nod. Slap shot works still uh before we jump to yours.

SPEAKER_01

I have a question because I didn't put it on my list, even though it's one of my favorite movies of all time with Paul Newman, Color of Money.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, amazing.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, that's that well is cool a sport. Do we put that in as As a sports.

SPEAKER_00

That could be considered. I mean, it's a it's a billiards or pool movie. Now, the interesting thing is that he is the Tom Cruise character in the original Color of Money, which uh what is that? Jackie is Jackie Gleason with him.

SPEAKER_01

Gleason playing Minnesota Fats, the hustler from 1961.

SPEAKER_00

And then, and then, as it turns out, the the young, brash, arrogant pool player played by Paul Newman ends up getting his hands broken in the original movie by the mob guys and by whomever. So it's wild to go back and and watch the color of money, which is made right. I believe it's made right before Cruz makes Top Gun. He makes it exactly.

SPEAKER_01

That's that's a great lead-in. It's actually right after exactly what I discussed.

SPEAKER_00

We have the footnote, okay. But hold on, hold on. We have the footnote on this. So in the color of money, Newman is now in the Gleason character role of of these what fast Eddie Felsen or whatever, and he's gonna he's gonna teach Cruz's character. And what's Cruz's character's name, Joe, as a pop quiz, because it's on his shirt in the entire beginning and middle of the movie.

SPEAKER_01

Vincent Laurie. Vincent, and it says Vincent on his shirt. Leave it on, leave the shirt on, but it's a nice touch.

SPEAKER_00

And so, yes, he's Vincent in the movie. So it's it's interesting that Paul Newman was that cool post slapshot, post uh name one, absence of malice and all these other dramatic movies he's doing, including the color of money, uh, after that. And so then you and I were going back and forth off the air. Color of money was after Top Gun, and the giveaway is how and why.

SPEAKER_01

Go ahead. Because in the elevator scene, his hair, which is short in Top Gun, is longer in the DA style Italianism that I know well uh in that movie. So they had to do that. And I believe Kelly McGillis, as we we spoke about, had already dyed her hair for the next part.

SPEAKER_00

She had dyed her hair red for the movie The Accused, which won the Academy Award for Jody Foster for Best Actress, and Kelly McGillis got nominated for best supporting actress, by the way. Right. And they had already finished shooting Top Gun, but they wanted to shoot a couple of extra scenes, and so she came back with red hair and they put it under a Top Gun hat in the elevator. And Cruz, you're telling me, was probably shooting at that time the color of money as Vincent with the long hair.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, exactly. You nailed it. That's it.

SPEAKER_00

And by and by the way, Cruz is in another scene with Anthony Edwards as Goose with the long hair when he's sitting on the couch at night, and Goose comes to him and says, I don't know what's going on with you chasing ghosts up there, chasing your dad. I don't even know if we're gonna graduate here from Top Gun. And Cruz's hair is Vincent hair from the color of money while they're sitting. How did we digress? Oh, because I'm with the movie. Is that really a sports movie?

SPEAKER_01

It's it's that's all my brush is.

SPEAKER_00

It's but it's a sports movie because he's trying to learn how to win all the pool championships legitimately, not just hustle people. There's an actual tournament, an actual competition, and what a great ending where he's now uh Eddie Philson, Fast Eddie is now back, and he's gonna go take Vincent down somewhere down the road in a competition or in a game.

SPEAKER_01

So I will tell you this because I saw this movie many, many times in the summer of 86 in the theater. And every time when uh Fast Eddie breaks the brack and he yells, I'm back, and it the screen freezes and the movie's over. There's at least five guys that would stand up and scream at the screen.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, an applause.

SPEAKER_01

You can't end it like that. You gotta tell me who wins.

SPEAKER_00

But it's a great, it's a I've always believed this too, that filmmakers want you to decide how the movie ends. And so it's a great way, obviously, um, to end that where he's I'm back and I'm gonna go chase Vincent down. I'm gonna go find him, I'm gonna go chase him down.

SPEAKER_01

All right, so for recap. You're gonna stay in the gift shop.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, no, stay in the gift shop. What are your four? Recap your four.

SPEAKER_01

So I recap mine as basically these are all comedies. Uh three baseballs, right? Well, we went with Major League, right? Obviously a comedy. We went with Bad News Bears that I would argue is more of a dramedy, you know, drama comedy, but you know, it's a comedy. Uh replacements is definitely a comedy.

SPEAKER_00

Football, right?

SPEAKER_01

And then slap shot shot hockey. It's another dramedy. You know, it's it's it's not a complete comedy. Caddyshack is a complete comedy.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, absolutely. Over the top.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

So so I have gone boxing with mine, and then I went forward a few years to basketball with Hoosiers. I went backwards to Caddyshack. Now I'm going forward to the year 2000, and give me the Oliver Stone made up from whole cloth, kind of, kind of mocking NFL movie any given Sunday. I hate this movie. Oh, you hate it. The A-list cast of Jamie uh Fox and Dennis Quaid and Cameron Diaz and uh on and on, Lauren Hawley uh as the uh as the football wife. The uh Al Pacino character is amazing. I love Pacino and everything, but I love him as Tony D'Amato, the coach. Jim Brown in the movie as the defensive coordinator. Does anybody steal a scene more than Jim Brown stealing the famous speech before the playoff game? Pacino always has to give uh a big speech in his movies in the 90s and the 2000s, but he's giving the speech, you fight for that inch. You gotta fight for that inch. And Jim Brown is standing over by the wall with his arms folded with the sunglasses on inside, saying absolutely nothing during that whole speech. And Joe, he makes that scene because everybody now sits up and pays attention to Coach D giving the motivational speech. And uh and Jim Brown's character is standing right there, arms folded. I can see it right now in my mind's eye, arms folded, sunglasses, hat on. He's like, I'm believing in this too, standing here and watching him motivate them. So I love any given Sunday. It's not based on any former anything, but they pull all about uh you know a bunch of stories out, like uh Lawrence Taylor hacksawing a car in half. That's based on a true story of what one NFL player did to somebody else's vehicle, um, and a lot of innovation with the video and the different stuff they did. So you you apparently hate this movie, but it's going on my Mount Rushmore, Oliver Stone and his football masterpiece any given Sunday.

SPEAKER_01

So, what do you love? I guess what I I find it to be more style than substance, okay. Um, and it just for some reason it didn't hit me right. But what did hit you right about?

SPEAKER_00

Cinematography. The cinematography, the live action. I mean, he was utilizing cameras inside the helmet, the movie camera, where you could see in a couple of scenes that uh LL Cool J, the running back uh who's running around, they they're using that camera and he gets hit and gets clobbered, or Jamie Foxx is running around as Steam and Willie Beaman, and he gets clobbered. Uh the different uh the shots in the cinematography, they painted up old Texas Stadium instead of Dallas Cowboy colors, and they made it red, black, and gold for the Dallas Knights. The way, the way the movie was shot, the premise that the Miami team is looking to move, and uh and Cameron Diaz is the is the jilted daughter of the former owner who's now deceased, and she was never appreciated by her dad. Remember uh she was always trying to please and impress her dad, and now she wants to move the team out of Miami.

SPEAKER_01

You had all these different storylines, and Dennis Quaid is you're saying why I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you why I didn't like it.

SPEAKER_00

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

242. You know what that number is?

SPEAKER_00

That's how long the movie was. Oh my god, yes. It's almost like a minute. Well, it's uh it is it is long, and they're trying they're trying to tie in about eight different storylines because Dennis Quaid's character at the same time frame is playing like the Dan Marino character of the Miami Dolphins. He's at the end of his career, and Jamie Foxx's character is going to replace him as the young, brash, black quarterback at a time period when there weren't a lot of black quarterbacks in professional football, and Stone is playing off that and the race angle off of that. It just works. I know people have knocked me forever that like Remember the Titans as a football movie is a so much better movie. And there's probably two or three other ones that we could quote or go over. Brian's song, the Brian Piccolo story with James Kahn and Billy D. Williams. But this one with the A-list cast, the cinematography, it works for me. I put it on my Mount Rush more, even though you disagree. There's number four for it.

SPEAKER_01

And I and I respect everything you said. What I would give a uh a little shout out to, and I've talked about this on other uh sports podcasts, is um The Longest Yard with Bert Reynolds. I just love that movie.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, it works. The prisoners playing football, and uh, you know, Bert had so many uh movies he was hitting with and and rolling with in the 70s, and that's another one. But um, you know, like I have a relationship with Barry Switzer. Barry Switzer is now 87 years old, believe it or not, still alive, 87 years old. Switzer is doing the commentary for that playoff game with Oliver Stone, and Switzer told me, he goes, it was interesting. He goes, they they brought me in, they're paying me to do it. He had he had previously been the coach of the Dallas Cowboys and they had won a Super Bowl. He had previously been obviously the the coach of the Oklahoma Sooners and they had won national championships. They didn't really have a script, they were just kind of going off of what Oliver Stone wanted to do, and they were giving some comments. And so he said, I was really only there for a couple of days. He goes, but I did get to talk to Al Pacino. And I said, Okay, you got to tell me more about that. And he said, It's interesting. He goes, I met him in the hotel lobby. Um, uh we were just standing around a bunch of us and we sat and talked, and he wanted to talk to me about having coached uh a little bit in football. He goes, but then we talked for almost two hours, Switzer said, about our kids, about life, about getting divorced, about losing our money. He goes, we talked about everything but the movie or or but football. And he goes, he goes, he goes, I will always remember how down to earth and what a real guy Al Pacino was, because we didn't talk about the movie and we didn't talk about football.

SPEAKER_01

So anything on my mouth. Yep, we forget that they're just people like when you said about Gene Hackman and and uh Dennis Hopper being broke and just talking about it. We forget that they're actually just, you know, they're people, right? That is true. Um like I just watched, and we're gonna we'll end it uh after this. Uh by the way, how are we doing on our short documentary?

SPEAKER_00

How are we doing on our podcast that was gonna go 20 or 30 minutes? Have we are are we approaching Oliver Stone in 242 yet?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, we are. We are we're close to it. Okay, no, what I was gonna say is if you didn't see the Martin, there's a Martin Short documentary on Netflix or something, watch it. It's pretty good. It goes back to home movies of him inviting everybody to his house with their families Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson, Steven Spielberg, everybody just sitting around like playing cards and cooking hot dogs like regular people, right? So the whole point of everything we're saying, they're just regular people, right?

SPEAKER_00

They are like let me give you a famous story because there's a there's a football player. I won't go into all the details, but there's a football player, and he grew up in Los Angeles in the affluent areas and was playing in private school, and then he eventually played a cow and played in the NFL. And he he told this story. He said, I was in youth sports, and he goes, We lived right near Chevy Chase and his mansion, and Chevy Chase had a young daughter, and we were playing co-ed soccer, and I'm on the team with Chevy Chase's daughter. And he goes, and this is the honest to God truth. He goes, We're in like first or second grade, seven, eight-year-old soccer. I still remember this. And he goes, Chevy Chase's daughter had no clue what she was doing, didn't know what she was supposed to do, just knew stand over here and maybe kick the ball if it comes to you. And so she's standing around and he goes, Remember, we're like seven years old. He goes, We're running around her, we're doing whatever. And at one point, somebody kicked the ball and it bounced off of her and it went in the goal. And when it did, Chevy Chase ran on the soccer field in between all the kids, picked his daughter up, and started kissing his daughter and running a lap around the field, holding his daughter up because Joe, the ball had bounced off of her into the goal. This is the story he told. So, to your point, they are real people. We have to come back to in a lot of ways, they're odd, they're ultra-rich, they're different, but in a lot of ways they're just like us being a little league parent or being a youth sport parent of a little kid. And he did a victory lap with his daughter in a youth soccer game with dozens of other adults around and whomever around. He was just being dad in that moment.

SPEAKER_01

The guy that's in my and that's all his daughter knows him as dad. Yes, not Chevy Chase, not Caddyshack, not anything else. And we will leave it on a happy note like that. Well, my friend, I appreciate your time today. I appreciate your rushmore. Um, and anything you want to say to the audience on your way out?

SPEAKER_00

No, listen, I enjoyed being here. Rocky, Hoosiers, Caddyshack, and any given Sunday for me on the Rushmore. I would give Major League like an honorable mention. I love Tin Cup as a golf uh comedy, romantic comedy, tremendous movie with Kevin Costner and uh and Renee Russo. Um, you've I I could probably sit here and give you seven or eight other honorable mentions, but we only wanted four. So I gave you my four on my Mount Rushmore, and I appreciate your four with the uh the comedies that you have. I went a little more serious with Rocky. You did.

SPEAKER_01

You do you went a little more cinematic, and I respect that.

SPEAKER_00

Um, but when I didn't want a little more smile to my face, Stallone, yo, my two turtles, cough and link. Uh and the dog's name, the dog's name in Rocky, which was his real dog, by the way. Dog's name was Butkus. But Dick Butkus. And that's Stallone's real dog in the original. Again, low budget movie that he was having to make. He's running through the streets with Butkus. Hey, yo, Butkus, let's go. So listen, thank you for having me. We'll do some vintage stuff at another time, but I appreciate talking sports movies with you, Joe.

SPEAKER_01

Brother, I appreciate it. And um, I will share um TJ's links. Please follow him. Please check out some of his podcasts, and we'll have him back soon. Have a great day, everyone.