Be a Lighter Version of Yourself: Release Attachment

What if the heaviness you’re carrying was never meant to stay with you?

In this episode, we explore how to become a lighter version of yourself by releasing unhealthy attachments—attachments to fear, control, past pain, people’s opinions, perfectionism, and old identities that no longer fit who you’re becoming. When we cling too tightly to what drains us emotionally, mentally, or spiritually, it weighs down our peace, clarity, and purpose.

You’ll learn practical and spiritual insights on how to let go with wisdom, create emotional freedom, and make room for greater peace, resilience, and joy. This conversation will help you recognize what’s holding you down, why releasing is often a form of healing, and how freedom begins when you stop carrying what is not yours to hold.

If you’re ready to breathe deeper, think clearer, and walk lighter—this episode is for you.

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Until next time…love first, then lead. 

Jenn and Lauren

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Welcome back, my friends. We are grateful you're pushing the pause button to lean into ABCs for leadership and life. Man, there's a lot of them out there. And this is where we help you grow, and we're growing ourselves in leadership, strengthening your mind, and becoming your best self from the inside out. We are on our fourth episode, Shazam, which is crazy and fun. And each episode that you'll listen to, if you explore more after today's, if this is your first time, welcome, brings you practical tools rooted in the ABCs, awareness, behavior, and connection to create a lasting transformation of the mind and the soul. You'll gain strategies to lead with clarity, communicate with purpose, and make meaningful impact. So let's get started. Yeah, today is a good topic. And again, these topics are very organic, and it's basically what we're experiencing in Earth School. And we figure if it's something that we're kind of navigating and perhaps struggling with a bit, then maybe you are too. So today's topic is entitled Be a Lighter Version of Yourself. Release Attachment. Dum dun dum dum dum. Jen, I am Lauren Miller and I'm with my my co-host here, Jen Klopeck. Jen, this is a this is a hot topic. I feel like I need reminders of every week.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Oh, 100%. Even just before we even hit the record button, Lauren, you and I were talking about how we can become attached to certain things. And as you had proposed this topic, which I love, we this is very organic. Lauren and I shall throw on a topic, we're all throw on a topic. We're like, let's hop on a podcast. We talked for a couple minutes prior, but nothing really like substantial, even scripted. And so it's really live, we're all unedited, just the way we want to be, just having an organic conversation. So before we even dive in, Lauren, because it's interesting, as you know, we're both coaches and we all define things differently. How would you even find attachment? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Yeah, that's a great question, Jen. It's one that I ponder quite a bit, being that I have a bunch of attachments. The definition I like to use and have used for quite some time is this an attachment is an emotional state of clinging due to the belief that without something, outcome, circumstance, we cannot feel happy, secure enough. You can put anything in there. But it's an emotional state of clinging. I need this to turn out a certain way. I've I want this person to get back to me, or else I don't feel validated. We we farm out so much of our sense of security to very shaky ground. And I know we've talked about this before, but the definition of stress walks hand in hand with attachment because when you have attachment, you make yourself extremely vulnerable to stress, which is the power you're giving to the outside world to define your sense of worth, value, and capability. Today we're camping on attachment. Now, the interesting thing, Jen, about attachment is that it is a crazy cycle. Because once you've gotten that which you were attached to, it's quickly swallowed up by the anxiety that you might lose it. And so we don't win in this at all. There it's like, what's the upside? Nothing. Jack squat.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

So let's what I'm hearing you say, Lauren, is you're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't.

SPEAKER_00 3:52

Exactly. Exactly. So let's take a good look, listener. What are you attached to? And and you know you're attached to something because it walks hand in hand with anxiety, right? You're anxious about a certain outcome. Um you're anxious, and and it might be very legit, man. When I went through advanced cancer and divorce, I was definitely attached to the outcome because I had three young children at the time, they were eight, ten, and twelve, and I wanted to live. And that was my I was also attached to my hair, my breasts. I lost all of that, my marriage, I lost that at the same time as well. So we have these attachments that in and of themselves aren't a bad thing, right? We're just taking a good hard look at the ramification of the attachment on our emotional stability. And that's that's the muse. Because when you do have something that you are attached to, you become hijacked emotionally, and even if it's the drug of approval, right? Wanting to be approved by a certain group of people or a certain person or um position, we become very vulnerable because it's needing that hit of dopamine to know that you're okay. So, what is the solution to that, Jen? What is our solution?

SPEAKER_01 5:10

It's to it's to stop the perpetuation of whatever that circumstance and just to give it over to I mean, we call it whatever someone's belief is God, a higher power, anything. It's just like this is bigger than me. I'm sitting here wallowing in this and I have a dysregulated nervous system right now. There's a lot of talk about regulating your nervous system and blah, blah, blah. But it seems like what I'm hearing from you, Lauren, is really that attachment is often our nervous system trying to create certainty. And when we are not certain about that outcome, then we just spin around and we lose our grip. We end up trusting, not trusting the process. And we we become someone who we don't even want to become. And it becomes usually when you're attached, I would think it's really it begins like with a belief. I'm not good enough. And that belief then drives your behaviors and what you're capable for and really becomes your identity. And so getting out of that is, I, you know, I just listened to you had sent me a podcast and I just listened to another podcast similar, similarly related to this going on. And it's kind of like you got to get over your yourself because if you're just sitting there wallowing in the thing, yeah, you're not really creating action, and you're just again put that word perpetuating whatever the circumstance is, and it's you're it's it has power over you, and that's not fun.

unknown 6:47

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

But getting out of it is having that awareness that this is actually happen, happening.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Exactly. Exactly. That that's a key piece of information right there. And it's it's actually there's there's studies done on that in terms of the awareness and the acceptance of what you're feeling. It actually um will calm the nervous system to to give yourself permission to accept what you're feeling, because the the an attachment evokes emotions and feelings, and an emotion is your body's response to your thought life. So if you think you need this in order to feel safer enough, as I shared when I was going through advanced cancer and divorce at the same time, it is what it is, and a solution to that is one acceptance, right? Even though this is happening, I am willing to explore loving and accepting myself anyway. Even just saying that out loud, if you're listening to this podcast, even though whatever it is that's spinning you or you're attached to, I'm afraid I won't get this, I am willing, and just take a breath to explore loving and accepting myself anyway. Giving yourself permission actually calms the nervous system, gets you back to the parasympathetic nervous system, which is the the building blocks for your sense of peace, and not to mention your whole digestive system, sense of safety, really it's safety, and coming back to that um simply by acceptance of what it is, first and foremost, having that awareness around that gives you that reboot in your nervous system, right? Breathing does as well when you're attached to something and you're afraid you're not gonna get it, or you feel like you're falling short and you're making up all kinds of beliefs. I'm attached to this, and the belief I'm making myself about myself is this. That's awareness, right? And uh the behavior that's resulting from this attachment is this, and that's moving to the second phase of the ABC process, which is your awareness first, and then look at your behavior. What happens when you have this attachment? How does it impact your relationships? Certainly, your your your confidence. I have a little statement that I have and I repeat many times throughout my week, and being faith-driven, I'll just say, I am placing my security in something other than God. And that's that inner game, moving from the inside out versus the outside in. And that's an invitation for you to give more authority to the strength within you than to the circumstance outside of you. Does that make sense, Jen?

SPEAKER_01 9:32

It totally makes sense. And I love going, like you were sharing, going from that awareness phase of okay, I'm aware that this is happening. I am trying to create most often, Lauren, we're trying to create safety, but it's just the exact opposite of what's happening. When we're attached to something, we feel like that's going to create safety, but not knowing how that outcome is going to play out or that circumstance actually robs us of our peace. And I love how you say, hey, uh regardless, I, you know, I'm putting something above, you know, you God or how whatever, like I need to audit this and re-evaluate to see what's going on. Because honestly, Lauren, as we're talking about this right now, the other thing that's coming up for me, and it might be coming up for listeners, is going back to your values. And so if you value putting um your relationship with God first, but then you're attached to something, then that's going against your identity and your beliefs of who you want to be and how you want to show up.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

And so it's usually this big contradictory and um yeah, like we begin to lose our grip, I think we feel like, and that's scary sometimes. But instead of saying, like, oh, I'm really stressed out because, you know, I don't know, something happened, it's naming really what is it that's happening, um, or even filling it in with that attachment. I'm attached to this going exactly the way I pictured it. And that's kind of what happened with you and I before we hopped on this call. I had a way in which I thought something was gonna play out. Something came along and bumped up against that, and it didn't play out the way that I thought it was, and then it kind of robbed me of my peace. And the other word that comes up, I think, when we are so attached to something and the behavior that plays out is we get discouraged. And so, what is that like when we're discouraged? Do we then act like a tyrant? Do we swirl out? Do we become overwhelmed? Do we become fill in the blank? And and naming, like, hey, what's what's going on? And I think, and I can't speak to this, you know more a lot more about neuroscience, but just naming what's going on helps. Absolutely, absolutely does, and it creates that space. Naming it creates space to then, okay, this is what's happening, and then maybe doing some of the the talking, even though I feel this way, I'm gonna love and accept myself. Which, if you don't know, um Lauren has a YouTube channel, and I think you have it. A lot of what she was talking about, and she does this is the emotional freedom technique as well. Even though I feel um attached or overwhelmed right now, I'm gonna love and accept myself. So that's a separate journey you could go to and check out. Do you still have that resource up um and available on your YouTube station channel?

SPEAKER_00 12:31

Yeah, you know, um I've got I definitely have tapping videos on there, and that is um youtube.com forward slash lauren emiller. But even more succinct if if someone's interested in really learning the technique and it's a very forgiving process. If you go to my main website, laurenemiller.com, and just click on programs and just click on stress management. And when you scroll down on that page, you'll see two tutorial, 10-minute tutorials on how to do the EFT tapping. If you're not familiar, it works great for attachment. Even though I'm attached to this, I'm willing to love and accept myself, and I choose to feel safe releasing. I choose to feel safe letting go and trusting. Um, Jen and I were talking about our words for the year. I had these bracelets that a good friend of ours, she's amazing with jewelry she made. And uh Jen's word too, they all kind of are linked with this topic of attachment. Mine are surrender and trust. Am I surrendering and trusting? I know that I'm not when I'm anxious. And most of the time, when I'm anxious, it's because I'm attached to something. What am I attached to? It could be the outcome. It could be I wanted something. We were Jen and I were just talking because Jen's um launched her company. How many years now have you have you gone on uh with this?

SPEAKER_01 13:52

It's been it's been probably th three to four years now.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Three to four years, three to four years. Ah I know, congratulations. Congratulations. And this is so huge because we've had lots of conversations around attachment. When you're launching your company, it's very easy to get attached to certain events, it's easy to get attached to um, you know, all the processes that go along with having your own company, as well as uh money management and and all of that. And there's lots of opportunity to get hijacked, right? But it coming back, Jen, we've had conversations about this of first being aware of it, what's the behavior that's linked to it, what's the belief you're making about yourself, and then being able to reconnect to the part of you that that knows knows something bigger, right? Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

I love how you're bringing it in even said that connect word because it is like having that awareness, and then what behaviors when I know I'm attached. And and I guess that would be my question for the listeners. How do you even know when you have an attachment to something? Because it could be running on autopilot underneath everything else and not even up to the surface. So I would even encourage you to take a little bit of an audit of what what are you attached to? And maybe it is even such something like social media. How much time do you scroll? Are you attached to consuming more than you are creating? Are you attached to likes? Are you attached to views? Are you attached to metrics? Are you attached to fill in the blank? And it's funny, Lauren, because we're these, I don't know. I guess the only way to describe us is organic. We're not attached to really how many downloads we have of our podcast or how many people have viewed it, or how many listeners do we have. We're just do our thing. And because I know in the past, when we've done other podcasts together, I'd asked you, and you were very wise, Lauren. You're like, I don't look at that metric anymore. I don't let that metric define who I am. And that was beautiful. That was like, okay, that's a simple, I'm gonna um give the listeners simple things that they could do um when they feel like they are attached. I know we talked about the emotional freedom freedom technique, and that you could find that from Lauren's website. Another thing that a behavior that you could do is even ask yourself a question like, what is mine to own and what is not mine to control? And so what is mine? Because you asked me, Lauren, when you create a business and you're an entrepreneur, you're going out and you're doing a workshop. I could have a lot of attachments to the outcome of how that workshop goes. But what's mine to own is my preparation, my integrity, my communication, my effort, my attitude, my boundaries, my response. Now, those are things I can wrap and get aligned in as far as attachment goes. What is not mine to own is other people's reaction to my presentation, the timing of when I have that certain thing, approval of every result, whether someone changes their mind.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yep. No, I can't tell you how many times I I've had my company by God's grace for like 25 years, but the first 10 years, I can't tell you how many times I would haul my books, do stress relief workshops pro bono, and would have one to three people maybe show up. And and this was a long time ago. And I never forgot the lesson in that because I've always prayed, you know, if I can make a difference in one person's life, it's worth it. And yet when I when that came in my face, it was almost like God's like, Do you really mean that? Because here's one person. I take that then. Surprise! Surprise to your ego, right? Surprise! No, and and and I could I couldn't, I was really attached. I was more attached than I realized until I had the agitation, because agitation often accompanies attachment where we're wanting a certain outcome, and it's not really what we're called to do, but we think we want it, right? And it comes from our own grasping towards something that we think we need in order to feel successful or enough. But it turns out the people that I did uh work with at that time ended up being, you know, clients that were several years and opened up other doors, you know, one to three people, you know. So it's amazing how when we when we change the way we look at things, the things we look at change. And so, yay, one person, one person is impacted by this podcast. Yay. Then we've done our job.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Uh, our society pushes so much of the popularity and and fame. Uh, I I I know I've talked to you about this, but I went through a period of playing the fame game, you know, get in all the magazines, get your book being a bestseller, doing all this kind of it's exhausting, absolutely exhausting, and so much attachment that goes along with that. And when you release that and you start moving from the inside out for a higher good, not based on your own ego, but truly making an impact on one person at a time, right? And then that naturally creates momentum. You know, is your is your wanting open to guidance, right? Or is it fueled by control? That's kind of an interesting thought.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Yeah, which is interesting because I think for control. Yeah, I'm thinking over here too, Lauren. As soon as you said control, the goal really is not to control the outcome, it's really to choose who I want to be while the outcome is unfolding.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

That's powerful.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

And that's identity work. You know, I've been obsessed a little bit recently with like the sex logical levels and inverting that model and really exploring that. And that's really like when that thing comes and bumps up against you. And I love how we're talking about what is that physiological feeling? How do you know you're attached? That thing comes and bumps up against you. Just coach yourself in the moment. I think some of the best coaching, the best coach you have is yourself. Like stop and ask yourself some questions. Like, what is this really about? What's going on right here? Where am I in all of this? Who do I want to become? What are my values? And and be curious, you know, Lauren, and um, one of the other processes we were trained in is to be an observer and be really curious about maybe a weakness if it is detached, if it is um being attached and that's your weakness, being curious of like, oh, okay, this didn't work out, so I failed. Don't say that. I mean, that's kind of disappointment. Um, you could do like, hey, this didn't unfold exactly the way I was. And what is what is it teaching me right now? What am I learning about myself?

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Absolutely. Great question. That and that instantly gets you off the stage of the drama, and you can become the observer versus the reactor. I mean, we create so much drama. There's four questions you can ask yourself. Is this real or imagined? Is this mine or someone else's? Because many times a lot of our uh free rent that we give between our two ears is is storytelling. We're amazing storytellers, and we create all kinds of stories that that reinforce the agitation that comes from being attached to something. So that question you mentioned, you know, what is this really about? Right? And just sit with that and see what comes up. What is this really about? Add some breathing to it because it's very physiological. Stress is physical. So it's important that we respond with something physical. And and it's interesting with breathing, I'm currently in a program for somatic experience, and we're always taught, you know, take a deep breath, take a deep breath. But what I'm finding now uh in this training is it's not actually the inhale, it's the exhale that's been studied that uh reboots the body back to the parasympathetic nervous system and calms the circuits, not the inhale. So there's something that's that's been used for extended breathing where you breathe in to the count of four and you exhale twice as long. And what that does is it re-engages the vagus nerve and you you get a calming effect moving from the sympathetic nervous system fight, flight, freeze to the parasympathetic nervous system, which is your sense of security and your your your sense of um support to your interior organs. And so focusing on the exhale when you're kind of asking that coaching question, huh? What is this really about? And then just seeing what comes up. We're really going for detached desire, Jen, to be honest with you. We want to we're not squelching desire. Desire is a God-given ability as human beings. You have desires. There's nothing wrong with that. It's when the desire starts to own you, right? And it controls you, your sense of well-being, your sense of security. That's when it becomes an issue. So what if we kind of looked at it as a de detached desire and you bring your full effort to it? Um yet you you step away from the nervous system's perpetual grasping for things and you go for it a hundred percent, but you you release the attachment to the actual outcome. And that restores the sense of calm. A stress relief technique, it's I'm not gonna get too much into it, but the phrase that goes along with it is I am okay with it without this. And if you can't say that I'm okay with it without this, then there's some work to be done. I'm okay with or without this. I remember asking myself that question, right, many times going through advanced cancer and divorce at the same time. You know, am I okay with it without this? Because therein lies our peace, my friend. Therein lies our peace. I am okay with or without this, because then that releases and quiets the circus circuits of anxious striving. Right. And that causes a lot of a lot of uh upheaval um in our bodies.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

And I love when you say detachment. So instead of being attached, really detachment creates healthier connection. That's what we're we're looking for, is in the ABCs going from that awareness to what are some of the simple behaviors I can do instead of being attached, which we've explored during this podcast today, because we want to stop. The goal is to stop making others responsible for our peace. And so I said my word was peace. When I'm attached to something, I'm actually putting expectations on someone else that should never be their expectations. It's it's my expectation. And in my instance, which I was sharing with Lauren prior, which I want to keep private right now, but I would have been pushing people before they are ready to do something. And I, and and by them maybe not doing something I wanted them to do, it was robbing me of my peace. But that's that's not a fair expectation. And so now that I feel like I'm semi-detached from it. I can't say I've totally mastered this and we all go through phases of this that I get a better understanding. I think all of this, Lauren, what it's doing for me and what I'm hoping it's doing for the listener. And this is what the goal of the ABC's awareness, behaviors, and connections is, is to pull you up to the 30,000-foot view and look down. I know you had mentioned the metaphor of being off the stage and looking down or yeah, just just observing and saying, okay, this is what's going on right now. I'm gonna name it, I'm gonna call it what it is, and I'm going to do something differently because the more I sit in the maybe the wallowing or the frustration, it's not serving you or the situation. It's actually, and and you wouldn't know what it's doing in your body, but it's but it's creating stress and it's not it's hijacking. I always laugh when you say that. I call it the vagus nerve. I mean, think when you go to Vegas and there's all the lights. I know it's not that. Is it the vagus, the vagus nerve, but I I call it the vagus nerve. Vagus nerve. My overstimulation nervous system.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

It it is, and it gets it gets overstimulated. Um uh there are several techniques that you can you can help calm that out, breathe calm that down. That breathing technique of the extended exhale is one of them. Um, there's another one when you know everything in the animal kingdom shakes it off, whatever it is. And there's a book called Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers, and it's and it's a fun little take on what happens to the body and the brain in a stressful situation, which always involves attachments. Human beings will continue to continually hit the replay button. They'll pull up a chair, a bag of popcorn, replay, replay, replay. And the conscious mind doesn't know the difference between real or imagined. So if you're imagining a scene, what if I don't get this? What if I don't get this? What if this doesn't turn out the way I want it? What if it doesn't turn out the way I want it? Guess what? The body responds to that, and it it becomes a very biological reactive response. The fight, flight, freeze kicks in, the frontal cortex restricts, shoots the bud to the back part of the brain, so you can fight, flight, freeze, and you're basically continually re-stimulating the stress response in the body. Well, we can do something to help with that, and it's really shaking it off. Or what they found too, that it doesn't necessarily have to be shaking. I've done the shaking therapy where you stand up and you actually shake it off, like start shaking your whole body and kind of jump up and down. You see people doing this before they they jump in the ring. And I've shared my story when I was knocked out in taekwondo. You know, I would jump, jump up and down to kind of release the jitters. And it's kind of that kind of theory on what that does to the body. But you can do it by um any intentional uh brisk physical activity for two minutes. You can choose it, whatever it is, whether it's walking the stairs, whether it's um many times I'll do speed kicks because my background's taekwondo, or or speed punches for two minutes in between clients when I'm shaking off one thing to be present to my client on the other side of it. You can choose, but it's the the two-minute uh reboot, um physical activity, intentional physical activity. And it's amazing the studies that are coming out on how beneficial that is for your entire system, as well as uh not to mention your metabolism throughout the day, just small bursts. And that's that's another way to kind of shake off an attachment, but it gets very physical. So um those are three techniques that you can physically do to respond to the anxiety that often accompanies an attachment. Uh remember that we we're going for the detached desire, right? Go for it a hundred percent and really work your body and your belief system so that you give more authority insight. I am okay no matter what. I had to get to that point too, because they said I had five years to live. And and I really, when I got to the point of being okay with death, right, um I was set free. It was the craziest thing that happened. My sense of peace returned. I'm sure I boosted my immune system. Uh the stress receptors, the cortisol within my body, I'm okay. I will be okay no matter what. And that just released the tension. And it's amazing what happens physiologically when we release the tension in the body. Right. So acceptance is the first thing we talked about. Acceptance. I I am I'm willing to accept myself and what I'm feeling right now. Yeah, that will instantly give you a reboot. And then you can get physical with the extended breath, the two minutes of intentional uh exercise, and really shifting your belief system. And that's where the EFT will really help help you out on that too. Even though I'm attached to this and I feel like I need this to know that I'm enough, I'm willing to love and accept myself anyway, as you're tapping on specific points located close to the surface, surface that specifically calm the amygdala, which is where all the stress flows from, right? That's the threat, threat area of the brain. And you can actually physically calm that down so that you can get back to a better connection with yourself, with God, uh, with other people, and you can become a lighter version of yourself. And that's really our goal.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

Definitely, Lauren. I was hoping you'd share. I'm sitting over here trying not to laugh out loud, share your shaking it off. Because Lauren does this. Everything she shares, she does. And everything I share, I do. We're living this, we do this. And Lauren didn't share the funny story I wanted her to share, but maybe we'll wrap up with the funny story because it's just fun to share our personal life a little bit as well. But Lauren, I can vaguely remember because we were doing the coach training last year with uh the folks from Toyota Two show, and you were kind of showing everybody this shaking off thing that you were doing. Do you remember that story? And who kind of happened and your front door was open? Do you vaguely remember?

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Yeah, it was summer, it was it was summertime, and I was I was shaking, shaking something off that that that knocked me out in the ring. And so I was sitting there, you know, there's actually a book, Shaking Therapy. It originated in Africa, and it's fascinating. And so I read this whole book and I was doing the movements, you know, and shaking it off and jumping up and down, and and my door was open because I had a screen door, and all of a sudden a shadow like appeared, and like I'm in the middle of shaking it off, and it was the UPS guy, and he's like, You okay, ma'am? You know, and I'm like, Yep, just shaking it off. Oh my goodness, I know.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

I was like, you gotta share that story. What's gripping you? Bottom line, listeners, what we want for you is to notice the grip. That's the A. Choose your response, that is the B, and release the outcome. And that is your C. Better connection to yourself, better connections to other people, and just more, more, more clarity and peace.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

Absolutely. Absolutely. So, Jen, we're still, I think we have like just a few seats left, not even maybe two or one. I don't even know. Um, but you want to share a little bit about our program at the end of August?

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Yes, we have our upcoming open enrollment program for our ABC International Coaching Federation certified accredited program. So anyone who's ever thought about executive coaching or relationship coaching or career coaching or whatever types of coaching you want to call it, we're offering that. It will be August 27th, 28th, 29th here in Phoenix, Arizona. If you go to Lauren's website, laurenemiller.com, I think. Is that it, Lauren?

SPEAKER_00 33:01

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

That's it. Or Clopec Consultant Services.com. There's information if you go up to the tabs, there'll be a section for what this is all about and what we're doing. It's gonna be exciting. And the the thing that I know about this is even if you are not sure whether you would ever do anything with it, it's good just for a personal leadership course for yourself. It impacts relationships, how you show up, what you learn about yourself as well. Because there's a lot of inside work we do first before we actually start even talking about what coaching is, because you need to fundamentally know who you are as a human being, what you're attached to, because you bring all that junk into all the relationships with the coaching sessions. So open enrollment coming up at the end of August. We may or have one or two seats left. It's filling, it's it filled up really quickly the first week or two. And we are keeping, we're limiting to a smaller enrollment size because we really want that one-on-one attention. So it'll be Larn and myself um leading and facilitating, and we have other mentor coaches as well.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

And if and if there's if it's already full by the time you reach out, um the fact that you're listening to this means that you have some desire in coaching uh yourself, other people. And as you as you explore more, we're gonna be doing another course in the new year or another class in the new year. This is just our first kind of class that we're we're officially putting out there and see where it goes. So thank you for pushing the pause button, my friends. And think of that one thing that we talked about today that you really want to take for a ride out there in our school and apply to release the attachments and return to inner peace. Jen, any closing thoughts before we move along?

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No, just be become aware, be an observer in your own life of where you what what are the physiological feelings that you might feel when you're attached, and then really sit, like you said, breathe and know that it doesn't define who you are as a human being and remember who you are and whose you are.

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Well said, well said, my friend. So have fun out there, and we look forward to our next podcast. Our previous podcast, uh, for this one, if you haven't checked it out, was Understanding in the midst of being misunderstood. This is our fourth podcast, available on all the podcast apps, and uh we're we're grateful you're here.