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SPEAKER_03 0:04

This is the Ryan Lulf show.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Listen, I want to say this uh again, Chaz. Yeah. Um it's really good content.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

It really is. Yeah. Just make sure we don't take every podcast. I know I said this yesterday. Yeah. Just make sure we don't go so deep in every podcast in the direction of faith versus Ryan's teaching. And and don't ever take, don't I think you took a huge gamble by taking an isolated shot of yourself and talking to people in almost as if your theory is more powerful than his. Don't forget it's the Ryan Lelph show. Right. Right. Okay. So I I actually didn't mind it. Just be careful with that because what I don't ever want to do is I don't ever want to override the the main theme here, which is we are still, this podcast is intended to sell, promote, and elevate Ryan Lelph as a life coach. Right. So so there's a fine line between superseding and overcoming that and not. Okay. And saying that, I thought it was a good, I thought it was a good moment.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah. Yeah, I will just say we're we're going to need to go another direction. Okay. Like I'm not, this is not, I'm not interested in just sitting around debating back and forth. To me, what's starting to happen is it's going to turn into a show where everything's every person who listens that's got any type of Christian background or faith, they're going to go, he's anti-Christ, he's anti-Christianity. They're wrong. That's not, that's not the truth. But because of how the dynamic is starting to unfold, it would make total sense why they're going to think that. Like I want to focus on what I'm for. I do not want to put a bunch of energy into it coming across like I'm against. I'm not against anything.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Got it.

SPEAKER_00 2:11

I want to focus more on the things that I believe set us all up to live our best life. If someone disagrees with that, that's a lot different than them feeling like I'm attacking their framework or their faith. That's going to naturally happen because some of my story of what I've come out of. But if, and I and I'm fine that it's all unfolded the way it has, okay? But if you weren't here, Chaz, like this is not how these last five, six, seven, eight episodes would have gone. We would have just been continuing to move on more into the language. I don't want to be questioned about the language that I use over and over and over again and keep coming back to a fucking scripture verse or the Bible, whatever. Like that's just not what this is about.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Yeah. Yeah. And I I think from from my position here at the desk, what I'm trying to get at is I am the guy you're trying to reach. I'm I'm the I'm the guy that's not, though.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

That's the fundamental misunderstanding. That's what you think the show's about. That's not what I think the show's about, and it's my show. I am not trying to reach Christians. I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Well, and I think and I think what we have to be really careful of too, uh, Chaz, is is what we don't want is we don't want his momentum to go toward a demographic that is more like you. Okay. Because he will get way more hate and defiance than reaching a demographic that's more like me. I mean, I'm really honestly in the middle of both of you. Yeah. Um, that's who he's trying to reach. So if we make it so super focused on the faith and the scripture and his defiance against it, which he's not, but that's the way that you interpret it. Okay, that's gonna go more on the Christian base, which is gonna get him momentum in the direction that we don't want to take him. Got it. So that's why yesterday and I think that the other day, I I actually do love the content. And again, there were points today to where we put that four or five, six minute snippet on video on Facebook, that's gonna go viral. Okay. So I do I I want to put it in. I'm I'm cool.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Like, I do just because I'm like, okay, I don't want it to continue in this, is not I'm not asking you to delete anything. I'm not asking you that we can't put any of this out there. I'm not saying I just like it, just kind of hit me like right in this moment. Like, okay, I've I've kind of reached my limit. I'm good. Yeah, yeah. Like, I just, you know what I mean? I want to get back to there, was just a different, it was just different.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

It's not right or wrong, I'm gonna try to reframe my questions a little bit too, so I'm not like attacking.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Yeah. And and and listen, I like, I like the I I like the chemistry that you've created with the three of us because I think you bring bring a different dynamic. Yeah. I just, I'm gonna say yesterday. I said it yesterday, I'm gonna say it again today. Make sure you're as passionate and as intentional in other subject matters outside of is this faith-based or Brian Left based.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

This is this is the this is the immediate thing that you can do different, Chaz, that'll change everything.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:13

Stop rehashing Christian stories, stop quoting scripture, stop r reminding the listeners of where you come from, like, no more of any of that. Just come with curiosity. So if there's a point where you're like, I would like to be a little bit more clear on what why does Ryan use this language, or what is he trying to say here, or how is this applicable, or how might this be different than the way I would interpret it? Instead of you having to bring all of your stuff into it, just be more inquisitive. Like that. Inquisitive would be a good word here. Yes, because early on in this podcast, I was letting Brian kind of take the lead, and and I was really liking that rhythm, and it felt different than the rhythm of like the last two times I've been in the studio, and then all of a sudden it went right back to the same thing that we've been doing. You know what I mean? Yeah, and it's like I'm I I just gotta be honest. Like, you got to remove your ego, you've got to remove the personal interest. Like what I don't want this to turn into, it almost feels like Chaz that you would enjoy just having these personal discussions with me, but I don't want that to become the whole show.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Okay, that's that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

That's that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

That's fair. I that's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

I like you are showing. I don't mind capturing it some. It's starting to feel too much.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

Okay. That's fair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Is that is it I'm trying to find the words to that's that's totally fair.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

Because here's the thing. I like capturing these conversations because they're so different, you know? And I think that's that's my heart is like I'm not trying to, you know, intentionally like brilliant or something.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

No, I don't think that for one second. Yeah, I I don't I don't think you're doing anything. Okay. But that still that doesn't that doesn't change the fact that if it's not the direction that I'm wanting to go, that I I I'd be I'd be disowning myself if I didn't speak up. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

And and I think and like Chats, you're you're you're like, you're clearly aw aware he's the client, it's his show. Yeah, and and if and if you know honestly, if he wants to sit there and fart scripture for an hour, we're gonna we're gonna capture it.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Oh yeah. Um yeah, leave me out of it. I'm just here to help. I'm trying to help facilitate this in the best way possible here.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

But but I I I again in in in this debate right now, I'm still in the middle. I still value what you're bringing because I see it from a market.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you go all or nothing, then we might miss some neat little aspects of you. Like just read between the lines. Like, just trust. Trust that your your own inner guidance system, your own Holy Spirit will help you like really listen. Like, I'm not saying I don't want you on the show. I'm not saying I don't want your input. I'm saying just pay attention to where maybe you accidentally shift more into something that should be a personal conversation between me and you and isn't for the overall gigantic scope of the show. Because what what you said earlier, I think, is is where I feel like, yeah, this isn't exactly what I want. Okay, is you said you thought you think you know who I want to reach, and I'm just having to tell you, you're fundamentally, absolutely not even close. Well, and I think zero interest of targeting or trying to go reach Christians. Like that is not even in my sphere of thinking at all. That's something you completely determined from your point of view, and I'm not making you wrong, I'm just telling you that's not where I'm coming from. But you're also not wrong for interpreting it that way, but your interpretation of that is causing the show to go in a certain direction.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

And I think I think oh uh overall, um I I think if you just make sure that we're positioning Ryan to show the value of how he thinks, not contradict it, and the value of his coaching and elevate that. I think if you always have that in the back of your head, I still want you to challenge subject matter with the understanding of those things that I just said, though.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Yeah, and that's different than him challenging it because it's faith-based. And it's touching him personally. Yeah. Like you gotta find a way, Chaz, to try to remove the the personal aspect just for the point of the show.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Although I will tell you though, the first two or three times we did it, it did create some gold. But I do but but but I chat Chaz is no. I think he you're you're fully aware of what we're talking about. Yeah. You're very understanding of it, and I think I think you have the ability to to facilitate more of a more of a understanding of making sure that we're elevating him and positioning him and his coaching to be elevated and not necessarily always controversial.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Yeah, and I think here's here's what I want to say to that is like I'm not trying to make it super controversial. I'm thinking I'm thinking, because Brian, I I want to be clear, I'm not trying to, you know, re-steer the direction of the show. I think my integration here, my framework here is like, oh, I'm I'm gonna be able to share this at some point. So in a way I feel that, I feel that. So, you know, I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not trying to say like, oh, this is you know, for a Christian audience, but by way of introducing me into the show, you are essentially talking to people of a Christian background in my sphere. So I I just I want to be clear, you are in a way talking to Christians. So yes, I'm I'm gonna do better at trying to just like taking myself, I guess that's the right way saying taking the personal aspect out of it. I can I can lean more into kind of helping guide like how can people who have resistance listen to what you're saying? If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

Is that is I I think I'm just at such a place in my life where like I don't want He doesn't want the resistance. Well, I don't want to determine in my mind who I think my message is for. I'm just going to record, put it out there, be myself, and then whoever shows up, whoever it resonates with, whatever background they come from, however it touches their life, in whatever way it moves them, in any aspect that it does something that they feel anything, like that's what I'm after. That organic, just you couldn't make it up if you tried to sit down with a piece of paper and a pen and plan it out. Like that, I want something beyond thought.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

I think that's the beauty of this whole show.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

I agree.