6th Hole - Great Days

Join Rhys ap William, Eryl Williams and Matt Dearden for another episode of Golf Pod Cymru, the podcast celebrating everything golf in Wales.

Matt's Championship Debrief

Matt returns from the PGA Championship at Slaley Hall to give us the full debrief. From a notoriously tough course and testing conditions to the highs, the lows... and, of course, the quality of the bacon, he shares his experience of competing against some of the country's top PGA professionals.

Welsh Golf Round-Up

We catch up on the latest news and performances from Welsh golfers, both professional and amateur, celebrating the players making their mark across Wales and beyond.

Special Guest – Sean Holley

This week's guest is Sean Holley from Great Days Golf. Sean talks about how he first fell in love with golf (alongside his passion for other sports), the journey that led to creating Great Days Golf, and what goes into organising memorable golf events and experiences for golfers across the UK.

Topic of the Pod – Why Wales is the Perfect Golf Destination

Inspired by Sean's work with Great Days Golf, the team discusses why Wales is one of the UK's best destinations for golf breaks. From championship links and stunning parkland courses to fantastic hospitality and great value, we explore why golfers should put Wales at the top of their list for their next golf getaway.

Comedy Golf

Comedy Golf returns with another brilliant listener story. This week's tale involves a golf buggy, a very large puddle and a sequence of events that has to be heard to be believed! If you've got a funny golfing story, we'd love to hear it for a future episode.

Ask Matt

Matt is back to answer another listener's question, sharing practical advice and professional insight to help golfers improve their game.

Whether you're planning your next golf trip, looking for expert tips or simply enjoy a good golfing laugh, Episode 6 has something for every golfer.

Golf Pod Cymru – bringing you the stories, personalities and passion that make Welsh golf so special.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:14

How are we everybody? You're welcome to the sixth edition of Golf Pod Cymru. Now, this could be a par three or it could be a very long par five. Let's see how it go. Erl the captain is with us. Matt the Pro and me, Reese the the amateur who gets out once in a blue moon. Everybody okay, gents? Yeah, all good, all good here, Reese. How are you? Well, I've f I've kind of didn't forget about the pod, but all the kids were keeping me busy while uh the wife is away with with work, so it was uh a touch and go whether I'd make the tea off time or not. But I I am here a little bit late. Apologies for that, gents.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

We are gonna call you the scaric ego from now on.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

Matt, I want to talk to you. You know, I I don't I don't care about anybody else in the amateur or pro game, you know. I just want to ask you how how it went. I'm sure our listeners might have followed you on your your progress as Slee Hall, but I I I want to know what was it like? How do you feel looking back at how it went?

SPEAKER_01 1:10

Tell us the story. Well, the short answer is yeah, not great. I didn't have the sort of the the best of the best of weeks uh last week up in Northumberland. What I will say though is actually hospitality-wise, and the people up there were fantastic. I don't know if you guys have ever been to uh that end of the world up to Newcastle, but uh it it definitely sort of reminded me a little bit of home, so uh no excuses there, nobody was horrible to me, uh so I can't blame them either. But yeah, look, uh an interesting week in terms of playing wise. Can't say that I didn't prepare because I did prepare. I went up uh last Sunday. Not the shortest drive in the world either, up there, is it? Absolutely not. The week didn't pan out the the exact way that I sort of hoped it would, uh despite my preparations. I unfortunately missed the cut. Round one, uh 77, which was five over par. What I will say in my defence was that the conditions were quite tough, uh very windy, very blustery, and for those of you who have played that golf course, I I'd certainly rank it in my sort of top five in terms of difficulty.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

I played it actually last year in an event, and obviously we were playing off the yellow tees, but when when playing there, I noticed the amount of tea boxes they had and how far back they could go uh for tournament golf. So were you off the back sticks? Because that looked an absolute brute from from some of those teas that we saw.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Yeah, I mean a couple of the tees that they put us off. I mean, you're pretty much hanging off the back of the tee, uh, so you couldn't go any further back if you want, you know, even if you tried. But you know, it that that's no sort of excuse because it's the same for everyone, you know, in the field. The golf course itself, I believe, measures just over 7,000 yards, so it's not a short golf course by any stretch of the imagination, although there's quite a sort of there's a lot of undulations on the on on some of the holes, so you're playing you know considerably downhill or uphill. So it it sort of levels itself out. But no, for us playing the the more difficult holes on the golf course, certainly for me, they they they didn't actually allow you to hit driver off the T because you know you had creeks and pinch points in the fairways were were you know quite uh quite a long way up the fairway at sort of 270, 280, which is around about the area that I'm gonna be hitting driver into. So there was definitely a few holes. I I labelled them as being par four and a halves because they were they weren't par fives, but they were certainly playing longer than par fours, so I had to hit a lot of irons off those Ts, which then unfortunately meant that I had to hit another long iron into the green. So that in itself causes um, you know, your stress levels to sort of peak, if you like, if you don't quite connect with, you know, either the first long iron or the second long iron or both even. Where were you sat then at the end of of round one? Yeah, so uh around about sort of almost dead on on sort of halfway in the field, you know, at five over par. So it sort of gives you a bit of a an indication as, you know, how difficult the golf course was. There wasn't that many players under par, very bunched on sort of, you know, one, two over par level par. So I act actually wasn't a million miles away from being okay, if you like, but still far enough back, which meant that I needed to sort of work harder, if you like, on the second day. Well you knew what was coming. Were the conditions quite similar on day two? They were a little bit better, actually. They it it wasn't quite as blustery. It was a continuous wind, but probably four or five mile an hour less than the first day. But the the gusts were still there up to sort of you know twenty, thirty mile an hour. So still difficult if you managed to catch one of those gusts over one of your shots, whether it's into the wind or downwind.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

I looked at I looked at your card and and then I looked where the cut was, and uh the closing what three holes for you in in that second round could have cost you because you you might have been bang on the cut line.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Yeah, well, um myself and Errol were talking about this before we came on the pod, and um I I I looked at the I was looking at the leaderboard, looking at the scores to see exactly where I was in relation to the cut.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

You're doing that while you were playing on on course? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Yeah on the course, yeah. That's something you you've actively changed in when when you play tournament golf, isn't it? Yeah, I I changed the last tournament I played in. I thought it was the best thing to do, but obviously last week it wasn't. Look, uh I think because I was that close to the cut line, I hit the turn second day at three overpower, so actually put me at eight over par for the tournament, which in my eyes was definitely way outside of the cut. So I needed to see that, I needed to see exactly where I was, figured out that yeah, at that moment in time I was probably three shots away from making the cut. So needed a little bit of work on my back nine, and I I managed to get somewhere near actually. I birdied 12, birdied 13, which put me back to six over par. I looked at the leaderboard, uh the cut was then at five over par. Two holes later I looked at the at the leaderboard again, having just made on par par, and the cut line shifted for six, so I was actually within the cut line with three holes to go. Uh what sort of happened after that was nothing to do with the fact that I was on the cut line. It was just I put a couple of bad swings up sixteen, ended up making bogey. Um put a couple of good swings down seventeen, ended up three putting, stood on the eighteenth T knowing that I needed to hold my second shot, which uh that hole that hole was playing three iron, then four iron. So my chances of holding my second shot up there were yeah, I mean, very, very slim. And yeah, look, I ended up finishing in in an ambulance, which you know I'm I'm not massively proud of, but to be honest, at that given point going up the last hole, my my days were pretty much numbered, so I sort of limped home from that position.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

The last three, four holes there, if I remember, they're really, really tough, and they're not kind of what you class as birdieable holes, really. I th such a tough, tough finish. Could you see could you see a birdie in any of those three?

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Possibly only up sixteen, the way I was playing, seventeen and eighteen, you know, you would have you would have needed something special to happen to in order to make a birdie on either of those two holes. Look, I I think, you know, looking back at it, if I was uh a couple of shots within the cut line, then possibly my my approach on those last three holes would have been slightly different in terms of my mindset. But there was definitely an urgency in order to sort of attack a little bit to try and you know make the cut. It didn't pan out. But I I'm gonna blame missing the cut on what I did for the previous 33 holes, not what I did on the last three holes, because unfortunately I put myself in that position uh and put myself under a little bit of pressure, and it was based on what I'd done previously, not not on those three holes.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

And I've got a couple of questions, you know, mentally, how how was it, you know, being really in in the thick of it in tournament play and also physically because you know you are still working your way back from that knee operation. So those two aspects, mentally and physically, how was it?

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Uh so physically I was actually I was okay, although obviously mentioning that you know it was a long drive up there, it's a long day. We you you you do a little bit of practice while you're there. I've been practicing quite hard at h at home as well, leading up to the tournament. So physically I was okay. The only real downside for me was, you know, it on reflection. The last time I I competed or played, you know, sort of tournament golf was three and a half to four weeks ago. So that gap for me is probably part of the reason why I didn't sort of perform that well because I was just not sharp again. Saying that, I hit the golf ball as good as I've hit it all year, even with the scores that I've shot. So that side of things that was okay. Mentally, it is difficult, you know, tournament golf is difficult, especially when you've got sort of expectations of doing well and they don't pan out, then all of a sudden, you know, the sort of you on the the ground to open up and and swallow you in. But uh I think you've got to take it on the chin, you take it a bit of rough with a bit of smooth, and you know, considering how much I've not played competitively, then you know I've got to be pretty pleased that I was actually there competing in the first instance. So that's that's the positives. The downside, again, was that six hour drive home having missed the cut. Did you listen to this pod? I could have sat in silence for six hours just with me and my my thoughts. But that was yeah, that that was a that was a long journey home. I got home about two o'clock in the morning, and of course, as you do, you're tired when you're driving, you get home and then you're wired, and then you can't get to sleep.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

So You mentioned that the gap between your last tournament to this one, which possibly was detrimental to your performance. But you mentioned uh in our last pod that your your tournament schedule is pretty sparse this year. Is that something that you're gonna look at? You know, are you gonna actively try and enter more competitions then to get you match ready?

SPEAKER_01 10:09

I I'd love to, uh but we are limited, or I'm limited in terms of what I can and what I can't compete in. I'm I'm eligible to play in in most of the tournaments, but we actually we have not got that many unless you're you're willing to go and play in some pro ams, which I've got nothing against playing in pro ams, but you know, they're they're full, full days. If I need to travel to Devon to go and play in a one-day pro am, I'm not going the night before, I'm going in the morning. So, you know, you you you're leaving very, very early, then you play around the golf with potentially three people you've never met before. And you know, pro ams are long days when they when you're in a four-ball and you're in a field of fifty teams competing, you know, that's a five, five and a half hour round. Then, you know, just to be not to be hospitable, but as part and parcel of playing a pro am, you sit down and have a meal with your your amateur partners, you have a chat, and there's another couple of hours and then there's another two or three hours drive home. Uh, you're not guaranteed any money either when you're playing these things.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

Well, if you if that's what you want, you just keep playing against me. You know, it'll do your confidence, a world of good, and you'll take me to the cleaners every time. Can we play for money?

SPEAKER_01 11:15

No, so it look, it it's a it is a choice. You know, m my choice is not to play any proams, and simply because of that reason, because I'm potentially out of the house or away from teaching for for twelve hours, and it doesn't guarantee me any money. Playing professional golf doesn't guarantee you any money. But I've got uh like we talked about previously, and I probably sound like a stuck record, I've got to weigh up whether it's worth me taking that day off from coaching to go and play. It's a sticky one, it's a it's a real tricky a tricky situation to be in, you know, w with with very limited amount of tournaments that I can participate in versus working. What is next then? Where are you going next? Where's your next tournament? Well I got nothing till till uh the end of August. So I'm now eight weeks sort of away from competing again, and my next tournament that I'll play in will be in the Welsh PGA championship at uh Conway. I've looked I've looked to see if there's uh anything else that I could potentially sort of enter. Uh there are a couple of things that perhaps I might I might consider, but I think I'll just see how the next couple of weeks go now and I'll I'll I'll carry on practising, I'll carry on playing and just see where that where that takes me.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Certainly a lot of things to consider, but you know the journey, as we've always said, will continue. You've got plenty of time in your challenge, which is to get onto that senior's door, you know. So that's Matt's challenge. Let's uh we have to now talk about what else is happening to to amateurs and and pros playing uh around the globe uh flying the Welsh flag. Matt, what's been going on?

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Yeah, again, so uh a good couple of weeks looking back through some results from the last few weeks. Uh we had the US Women's Open at Riviera Country Club. So Nellie Corda won. I I'm not sure if you've actually seen the last putt that she hit.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

I did, yeah, I watched the ending of that, and that last putt was not anywhere near to the hole, and I think she was more surprised than anybody that it actually went in.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

Yeah, I think it it all it almost did a full 360, didn't it? It it hit the side of the hole, lipped in, out, in, out a few times, and then ended up at the bottom of the holes. You know, that that was quite an important putt, because if she hadn't hold that, then she'd have been in the playoffs. That was uh that was a good watch. But actually we had um one of our Welsh players competing um at the US Women's Open, uh, and that was Becky Morgan. Now the the the backstory to this was that Becky won the US Seniors Women's Open back in 2025. Uh she won it when she was 50 year old, and she finished seven and a par at San Diego Country Club, six shots ahead of uh legendary American uh Julie Inkster. So from winning that tournament, she gained an exemption into the US Women's Open last week or week before. So obviously that gave her the opportunity to compete again at the highest level. Unfortunately, she missed the cut, but nevertheless, she was there and she was there representing Wales. I feel really old. You told me Becky Borgins on the senior tour. Yeah, I mean we we all we all grew up watching sort of Becky playing, and you know, obviously still is a fabulous player, but she flew the flag for Welsh ladies' golf for for many a year.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

I was lucky enough I played a pro on with with Becky at Rawls and David's probably about 15 years ago in a in a Wales Women's Open, I think it was, and she was fantastic company and such an amazing player as well. So I'm not surprised she's doing well. But does that make Becky then the only Welsh player to compete in the in a golfing major this year?

SPEAKER_01 14:53

Great question, yeah. Actually, currently I believe she is, yeah. Moving swiftly on to the Hotel Planetor. Two events to cover here. The first one being in Switzerland. In our last episode, we mentioned that Jack Davidson was competing in this event. Unfortunately, Jack missed the cut with rounds of 70 and 71. Now there was another Welsh player present at that event, and that was Toby Hunt. Toby was first reserve for the event, and uh he I spoke to him last week and he he he bit the bullet to travel to Switzerland. So he flew out on the Wednesday, he spent all day Thursday on the practice area and he didn't get in. So nobody pulled out, so he obviously managed to get himself a a good sort of ten hours of practice. Um but kudos to him, you know, he's flown all the way out there, he spent all day on the practice area, didn't get in.

SPEAKER_03 15:46

Does he get anything for that? Uh is the outlay all his to get to Switzerland and and and stay there? He gets nothing back for being First Reserve?

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Um probably a few A miles, I would have thought, and that's that's his that that's his his full lot. But look, um the other part of this story is that he he flew home on um I think it might have been the Friday or the Thursday, uh, but he flew home. He had to go via Amsterdam. He missed his connecting flight in Amsterdam uh to Birmingham, so he had to wait for the next one. So he arrived in Birmingham at 9 a.m. on Friday morning. He's then driven straight from Birmingham down to Exeter Golf Club where they were holding their annual Pro Am. Uh he actually shot five under pardy and Birdie in the last two holes to win the Pro Am. Oh, fantastic. So yeah, I think uh from speaking to him last week, I think he said he covered his airfare by winning the Pro Am. So it wasn't you know a complete loss, but you know, again, hats off. You know, he's willing to to travel wherever he needs to go in order to play and then you know go that extra mile and then go and play a pro-am on that Friday and end up winning. So, you know, fantastic. Hats off to him.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

I guess it's it's the kind of stuff you've got to do, isn't it? As a as a pro, if you get that opportunity, even if you're on you know the reserve list, it's it's that kind of opportunity you would kick yourself if a spot came available and you didn't go. So it I guess that's part and parcel of where professional golf is and that the opportunities are so scarce you have to take that risk.

SPEAKER_03 17:22

John Daly.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

It changed John Daly's career, didn't it? You know, no, exactly, exactly. I mean I I've I've been through it, not not to the extent that Toby's been through it there. Never travelled as a first reserve, but on a few occasions I'd have a phone call on a Tuesday evening to say, Oh, you you've just got into a challenge tour event in sort of France. Can you go? And I'm like, Yeah, I'll go. And I've done it, I've driven, you know, to Dover, got on a ferry, driven across, found my way to the venue, played a couple of rounds, Mr. Cutton, then come home. That's the kind of trips I'll come. I'll carry a bag for those. They're brilliant. You know, the the the those you know, those those tournaments you you you you sort of go, you've got to go, well, do you know what? If I'm not there, I can't do very well anyway, so I might as well give it a go. The only time that I turned down the opportunity was I once had an invite to play in um in Australia, and that came on a Tuesday. And logistically, if you sort of work. You're known in about Slaley Hall. Yeah. Um logistically, in my brain, I was trying to figure out how I'd get to Australia, and I could get there, but then I figured I'd be upside down because obviously where you are, and it it was like 24 hours later, and it potentially could have been like the quickest turnaround in golf, whereby I would have landed, teed off, teed off the next day and then come home, basically. It was just it just wasn't doable, so I didn't do it. I wish I had now, but I didn't do it. It would have been a good story if you had. Well, yeah, it sounds like a good story anyway, doesn't it? So it'd have been a good story if you'd have done it and won it as well. That would have been that would have been good. Exactly. Yeah, no, exactly. But uh yeah, uh sticking with the uh Hotel Planetor. Last week's event was in Austria. We had two Welsh players in the field this week. Unfortunately, both missed the cut. The cut was uh at four under par at in Austria. So you can see again, you know, as we've mentioned in previous sort of episodes, how low that cut line is. Both players who were competing, we had Owen Edwards, he shot uh 67-69 to finish in 79th position, and Jack Davidson missed the cut again, unfortunately, with rounds of 72 and 72 to finish in 139th position. So tough school again last week. Um it's not easy to make cut, as we've mentioned before, it's definitely not easy to win either. So that's the the the roundup there from the Hotel Planner tour. The Seniors Legends tour, they were in uh Costa Navarino. Is that correct, Darrell? Have you been there?

SPEAKER_02 19:44

I haven't. Well, we we we supply them, but um I haven't been there. It's meant to be a really special place.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Yeah, stunning resort in Greece. Lee's Immaculate Golf Course. It's definitely worth a visit. Uh we had five Welsh players in the field. Top of the bunch was Mark Mooland. He finished uh as a highest position Welsh player in seventh position on seven under par. Jamie Donaldson was in 30th, uh Phil Price 36th, Steve Todd in 38th, and Ian Woosnum in 59th. So again, you know, nice to see the guys out there playing in the sunshine. And, you know, well done to Mark. Moving on to uh China, we've got our favourite uh Welshman abroad, Tom Froom. Unfortunately for Tom this week uh he missed the cut in the Shanghai Open with rounds of 71 and 72. So one final result. We've got the uh the result in from the Welsh Men's Seniors Championship at Aberdeen. Uh that was won by Neil Roderick with rounds of 72, 68, and 70 in tough conditions. Errol, um, I think you know a couple of guys who went up there from from Radar. Conditions are pretty brutal up there, yeah, correct?

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Yeah, especially on the last day. I think the the the rain came in um and then as it always is in Abadavy, it's open to the elements, but yeah, especially on the last day, I think it was only one score, I think, was level par one of our boys from Radar. Um but yeah, that event is a prestigious event on on the Welsh seniors. It the quality of players who play there uh fantastic. If you just look at the handicap list, you know, there's plus three, plus four senior uh amateurs playing at ages over, you know, 5, 60, 65 or some of them. It's it shows that some quality golfers out there.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah, I believe there's um it you know it's also an opportunity for those players to sort of um put the you know put their mark down, if you like, to try and get into the Welsh seniors team as well. I think it's it's one of those events where quite a lot of the selectors are there looking looking at the players, seeing how they do in because it's it's a good test of golf up there. Um so I think that you know it it attracts quite a big field as well and uh you know, as you mentioned, you know, a a very good strong field as well. Ne Neil Rodericks won.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

Is that a hat trick of victories on the bones for him?

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Do you know what? Definitely he definitely won last year. I was trying I was trying to find the Results, um, but you've you've got to beat Carol Vaudman to try and find all the results on the on that website. Uh, but I'm pretty sure that um he's definitely won two of them, and I was racking my brain to to figure out whether it was three in a row. Um I got I actually got one more result, which was the event that I played in, the you know, the PJ Championship at Slaley Hall. Um do you want to mention that one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's give it a go. So, yeah, we've you've obviously had a quite a long story about me missing the cut. Um, you know, that's fine. However, another brilliant week for Toby Hunt. Toby finished in fifth position. That qualifies Toby now to represent um the PGA in Great Britain and Ireland in the PGA Cup. And for those of you who are not sort of familiar with the PGA Cup, this is the PGA version, if you like, of the Ryder Cup. So it's our best PGA professionals competing against the best PGA professionals from the United States. Uh, we also had a you know a couple of good sort of show-ins from a few other players. Matthew Totti finished in 27th position and Andrew Pestel finished in 48th position. It's also worth noting that the top ten from that event automatically qualifies through to final stages of open qualifying. So Toby will be at final stages of qualifying for the open. So best of luck to Toby. Have you have you considered entering the qualifier for that, Matt? Yeah, I used to do it, uh not I wouldn't say religiously every year, but I I did it, and actually the last time I did it, it was when I was club pro at Glamorganshire back in 2018. And I made it through uh first qualifying and ended up uh at final qualifying at St Anne's. Uh it was a great experience, two rounds in in one day. Uh yeah, unfortunately didn't didn't didn't get through to sort of the actual open itself, but yeah, a a real real good experience and definitely something I'll consider doing in future years.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

Well that that's the roundup of amateur and uh and pro players around the globe representing Wales. Next on the pod, it's uh the interview section. And this week I got to do an interview and I went a little bit off piste. I went into my rugby world and picked the brains of one of my good mates. Today we are doing something a little bit different on uh golf pod Cymru. It's golf related, of course, but we're not going to a course. We're not meeting a pro or a general manager of a of a Lynx in in West Wales. We are talking to Sean Holly, the former Ospreys Championship winning coach. We're gonna talk about golf, but we've got to start about you, Sean.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

How are you doing? I'm alright, thanks, Reese. Uh, first of all, thanks for having me on. I think it's a great thing you're doing. As you know, I'm a golf net, always have been. I've got more time now, I'm not coaching anymore. And yeah, I spend a lot of time around golf. I have a golf events and travel company called Great Days Golf.

SPEAKER_03 24:57

Before we really get into Great Days Golf and everything else, we we won't talk too much rugby, but I want to start by asking you about your rugby career and maybe how long you've played golf. Was it side by side? I know an injury could tail your rugby career, and you've got a a a love of cricket as well. But take us right back to when you picked the the sticks up to start with.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Well, I was always a sport, Billy, you know. I was uh I was head boy in school and I I played a lot of soccer. I was with Cardiff City as a as a 15-year-old, and my dad was uh an apprentice at Leeds United and at Don Revy back in the day. So football was was initially the first thing. Um and cricket, the late John Bevan was my P master. He was uh obviously a brilliant rugby player, Wales coach at the time we were in school, a huge influence on me and my mates. And a great cricketer, I played for Neath Orpe in the baton, and he really got me into cricket. So I managed to captain Wales at the end of 16. So cricket at that time was really pushing forward. Fortunately for me, in the same national team was when Robert Croft, who was a spinner and a batsman, and that's what I did. So fortunately for Robert, I owe him a lot because uh he saved me from having a very average semi-professional cricket career. And they're all underpinning all that, I played in a rugby school at Dufferin in Margham in Portal, but where obviously John Berbin was our P master. So but rugby was really probably the one that I really enjoyed the most. I played for my Steg, and then when I came back from Loughborough, I played for Abravan, and then what so I was at Loughborough I played for rugby lions in the courage leagues, and and so my rugby career was starting to pick up, and I was a versatile, good hands, good passer, could kick the ball a goal, kick. I was destined for the bench. But uh probably it would it would have been a decent player in modern rugby. You know, I'm quite a big bloke, I was very fit, kick and pass. But um, yeah, played for Abraham in 90. I don't remember much about it. It was uh 10 past seven on the 22nd of November 1994. Playing against South Africa, we were on tour, and I collided uh with a couple of boxes, and um yeah, my knee really uh was it was fate really. Uh it destined me to coaching. I went on to write a rugby studies course at Color Cigar, where I was where my first job was. And I went from there, I went on to become the first director of rugby at Hartbury College. I did all my badges, and then uh of course Wheels 7s, Wheels Students, Wheels under 21s, and all of that. And the offspace came knocking when Region Rugby was set up, but I suppose the rest is history. So I I was a sport billy, but my dad was uh a club golfer down Tartar Steel, British Steel, a left-hander, 18 handicap, and I used to go as a youngster with him. He bought me a pitching wedge, a Dunlop forward, and a petter, and I used to go around with him and obviously I was hooked. I used I was one of those kids, Reese who remember the old plastic uh balls with the holes in them? With the holes in them. Yeah, yeah. Right? I tie that to fishing gut because I'm an avid fisherman as well. A stake in the ground up the back garden, and I would hit that. So it would come back to me, hit that, come back. I was destined to be a coach because I did loads of things like that as a kid. Uh so yeah, I I never got, as you know, in professional sport, in another sport to do like coaching's 24-7. I never I got invited to play at great places, great tournaments, but never got a chance to play. And it wasn't until I decided that I'm gonna give coaching a break that I joined the Grove Golf Club in Port Call and got a handicap, started at 18, and within within two years I was down to single figures and uh and I and I I just got addicted. What are you playing off now? Well, I'm off four at the moment. Two years ago I got down to one. Couldn't budge from one, it's just the the small margins, but I did practice a lot, and that was the that was the difference. I spent a whole summer just after COVID just practicing 100 yards in, chipping and putting, chipping around the green. A lot of people go to the driving range and they hit their driver, can I do 300 yards? Well, the game is 150 yards in for me, and I got my handicap down to one. But I off for my age, nearly 56, not going to win the masters, so I've just got to settle for that and try and hold it.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Well, Matt Deer, now a pro on golf podcast turning 50 in a couple of years' time, and as you know, because I know you've listened, he um he's trying to get onto the seniors tour, you know. So never say never, Sean Hawley. You never know.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

No, it was an ambition to play when I became eligible for seniors to play in the Welsh Senior Open, you know, at Aberdevi. And just time hasn't allowed me to do that. I think I could qualify my handicap, but I will definitely go for that next year.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

Well, let's talk about Great Days Golf then, because I've played in your in your days. It's golf is a passion of mine, hence why I'm doing this this pod with Eril and Matt. But I also come on your days and they're fantastic days. So tell us. I know what you do, but you know, tell our listeners about what you do at Great Days Golf and maybe why you decided to do it.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Well, it was I was looking for something after coaching and golf related, and uh, you know, uh you you and I host lots of events, we do Q ⁇ A's and things, and uh it brings people together. And um one thing you do notice when you play golf and you get involved in business, and that's what I learned from professional sport when you have sponsors, you you know, is that there's no real better place to do business and get to know somebody than on the golf course. You know, you can have dinners and sit on the table at ten in hospitality, but you never really get around enough people in enough time in an alcohol sort of environment. But on the golf course, you know, four or five hours of sitting in a buggy playing in in a competitive element, you do find out about something. So my business partner, Simon Pridham and I, we saw that and we saw it as a way of having potentially a lifestyle business, somewhere we could eventually travel, go to nice tournaments, uh, and try to build an events business. Ironically, COVID came along and our first event was was in the veil, and we were only allowed 30 people, remember that? But it was a tremendous success, and uh cleaning all of the knowledge I had from events and golf and professional sport, you know, uh we wanted to bring people together, so we decided on a very simple format of a shotgun start where you get people together at the start, make it a little entertaining at the start, have lots of activity during the event, on course, off course, some celebrity element, but networking opportunities, and then everybody finishes the same time and does the same. I have some hearty food, some banter, great prizes, and a lot of fun. So it's a pretty basic model, but you know, when we decided us to call ourselves Great Days Golf, you have to ensure that people have a great day's golf. We do throw a lot at it. Uh, there's a lot of opportunity to network, there's a lot of good prizes. We're fortunate to have built strong relations with friction, foot joint, and titless, and lots of other partners. And we grew it, Reese, to understand that the networking opportunities were so good that we've made it almost like a part of our business is a membership. It's a premium partner element and a partner networking where companies subscribe for six bespoke events a year where it's just them and they can bring clients along and have networking. We have great uh keynote speakers from all walks of life and make it a little different, uh, have some novel challenges, but then make it almost like a closed group where they can do business. And we've found over the last three years that that network has grown. Um, the commercial acumen of the companies that are in there is huge. For Wales, you know, billion, billion-pound turnover companies, and they get together and they do business, and so that's been really rewarding. And the the spin-offs from that have been, you know, all golfers in the UK actually want to go and play abroad because the weather's better. So lots of people book trips. So we we've dipped our toe in some travel, but we've lifted the the UK events and staffed the travel events and call them premium events to make them a little bit more tailored to our clients, staff them so they get good care, that the competitions are looked after, transfers, you know, they f they just feel like they they have a little bit more treatment. And that's that's working, you know. An example, I'm off to Lafotten, Norway now, taking five clients to Lafotten links to play 24 hour golf. Uh it's four rounds in 24 hours because there's 24 hour daylight at the moment, and and we've put it just giving payers to raise money for Volindra on that, with which I'm a patron. September, Toulon, 14 clients only, capped with Dan Bigger and myself. Uh so you get two rounds of golf in um in the south of France. We go to a top 14 game, and Dan, for the whole long weekend, uh at your disposal, a private dinner, and he's gonna show us around the Toulon facilities and meet the players at Toulon. So those are the sort of things we're trying to work on.

SPEAKER_03 33:26

A lot of your events are around the clubs in Wales, and you always have a charitable element to all your events, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 33:32

Yeah, we do. We started off working for charities commissioned by the likes of Lindra T. Harvard and various other Sistifibrosis to and even without Premier Partner Days, we've partnered up with Action for Children. So even though the partners is a networking day, we do have some opportunity to raise money for Action for Children. That funds then, along with our sponsor Filtronics, an inclusion academy, which we run once a month for disadvantaged kids. Uh, we get coaches in, give them opportunity to try golf, which is such an expensive sport. So there's that. Um, and then even now, as we've grown, we're commissioned by large companies to run their golf days, and we always with them in partnership put a charity element to it, um, just to give back. And that's that's really important. Uh, we run two for Velindra uh Cancer Centre in in Jiffy's name, which are great. One at the start of the season, April, one in September, one in Radha, and one in Langland, of which Jonathan has an association. And we raise, you know, thousands of pounds so that I have an annual golf day at the Grove, which is for uh Vallindra. So yeah, it's a feel-good factor, and uh people feel that they're giving back as well. That's that's really important. But he mentioned Wales there. You know, we go all over Wales and take our events to various clubs and resorts. Uh off the back of that, we started a nomadic society called the Vagabonds, just for people who can't make our events, uh events, just go around.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

I've played in those a couple of times, you know, so they're great events. They suit someone like me who's not really a member and can only play once in a blue moon sometimes. So you try and book onto the vagabonds, and it's it's a great crack.

SPEAKER_00 35:08

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's difficult for people working to get out and play, isn't it? So maybe a Monday, maybe a Thursday, maybe a Friday. And some of the clubs have been great in doing a little deal, bake and roll, cup of coffee, out and and play around. We put some prizes up, but it's just about bringing golfers together, which is obviously our strapline. And and again, you mentioned where the the word must be getting around because we've been commissioned by some big companies to run events now in London and in the Midlands for next year. So we're ramping it up a little bit. We run we've got coming up the World Professional Snooker Players Association in Forest of Arden. It's the third year we've run them. We had five world champions there last year, and it looks like fingers crossed, we'll be in for a big event in London at the Shire with uh GB Bank and HSBC. So things are moving for us in a business point of view.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

A couple of the boys, you know, Erl Errol and Matt asked me about the travel element of it, and I've asked you before about this. Why why don't you travel within Wales? It's it's simply not cost effective, is it?

SPEAKER_00 36:09

It's really difficult. I mean, golf is becoming really expensive, green fees and that, and people recognise that they can go and have some sun, get cheap flights, and play, you know, the the likes of the Costa del Sol, there's something like 70 plus courses just from between Malaga and and Gibraltar, you know, and some good value courses. So there's that. However, we are looking at uh a North Wales ring next year, um, a coach trip, you know, we have jolly boys if you have girls. Uh that's something that we we have in mind because it's really important as a golf company to showcase Welsh golf courses, and we have some fantastic golf courses. We've partnered up with Wales Golf now on a ladies' festival. So we're trying to do our bit for ladies and girls to get them into golf. We love having ladies at our events, and and I think Wales Golf and golf in particular is moving that way, uh, which is a which is a good thing. Uh it adds colour, diversity, you know. Uh we we we we love that sort of thing. Um and I say we try and get around as many clubs and hold events in different clubs, you know. We've got ones coming up this year for the first time in Brynhill, uh lovely club. Leon and Scott there doing a great uh great job. Uh Crager is another one. But I think where we'd like to go as well is to move into Midwales. You know, places like Lamden Doddwells, fabulous course, Cradock, Biltwells, get there eventually, and then uh, as I say, hopefully get up to North Wales uh a lot a lot more.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

You you mentioned the Grove once or twice so far, but you've based yourself as a as a golfer and as a company, as great days golf at the Grove in post call.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

Yeah, it's just it was just borne out of. When I when I mentioned about finishing coaching, uh a few of my mates, golfer mates, uh were members at the Grove, and uh it was just the obvious place for me to go. The facilities there are excellent, so we we have a great relationship with the Grove. We have an office there, we base ourselves a couple of days a week uh because we've grown to five full-time staff now. Hopefully uh sixth to come in in October. So we have a couple of office days and it's a nice base, good members growing. Uh and a new pro there, Lee Bromley and his daughter Candice, Birdie Golf, that are really enhancing the club. They've revolutionized the the pro shop. The course is in is in good, Nick, always. So it was a natural fit for us.

SPEAKER_03 38:28

One of the things that we run on on Golfboard Cymru is the leaderboard of bacon rolls. You don't happen to know how much a bacon roll is at the grove, do you? I don't.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

We bill them into our cost of our events there, but uh I I I would I would hazard a guess it's about £3.50.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

Right, okay. Well if if you make a phone call or drop a text to someone at the uh at the club and let me know. We can we can get that 350 evaluation confirmed and put it on the leaderboard somewhere and see if there's any free coffee or tea to to come with the with the bacon roll as as well.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

Then it's very important uh to get a bacon roll right. It it is. We uh we also ask about the thickness of bacon and everything, you know. The thickness of bacon, how is cooked, right? Are the buns but what type of button is it? Are they fresh? Is there brown and red sauce available? You know, there's there's loads to a bacon roll.

SPEAKER_03 39:18

Well, it's it's it's a vital piece of armoury before going out and facing 18 holes, you know, a bacon roll. Another question we ask, and it's quite a difficult one for you because you've got so many associations with courses. What's the best? What's your favourite course in Wales?

SPEAKER_00 39:33

Well, that's that's a challenge. I mean the obvious one is is the Royal, Royal Puss Call. Uh I don't get to play that often, only when Jiffy invites me, uh, which is which is normally once a year, but uh when I go there I always enjoy it. It's always a challenge with the weather. It's always an amazing Nick, you know. So I really do like playing that. I look one I I really enjoy playing is Pennard because it's it's really lynxy. There's no frills around it. It is what it is. You're in trouble if you're in the rough, which you've gotta be in on links, but it's always in great Nick, and it's a different way of playing, isn't it? I got a soft spot for Pennard. I do like playing Southern Down. Uh I know it's another lynx, but yeah, as I say, I haven't got up the north as much as I probably would have liked to. I really enjoy Sandamanach. Yeah. I really enjoy Squirky, the fact that it's woozy's, and I I'll give a little shout out to because not many people I imagine go to play it is Sandon Dodwell's. Uh again, a hidden gem and always quiet, not many members, get a great welcome there, and a really challenging course.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

There's a couple, but I think top of your list is is Royal Postcall and top of many people's lists, I would imagine. Back to Great Days Golf. Where are you hoping to be in, say, five, five years' time?

SPEAKER_00 40:54

Well, that's a great question. Uh you know, it's it's something we've been looking at recently. Uh, I don't think Simon and I would ever relinquish Great Days Golf. We want to grow. The important thing for us, he's he has a teaching background, uh, and I obviously have a coaching background. The important thing for us is to grow grow a team and a culture. And and I mean our employees for one, so we've got a good young team that are growing and learning and developing. We want them to grow to a point where they they can run the company themselves. So Simon and I can can sit back a little bit and um and still be a massive part of it, but but let them run it. That would that would give us so much satisfaction for that. And also the growth of our our network and our our corporate business network and clients uh to see that grow and for them people to be doing business and enjoying themselves is probably the main aim, those two things. We've got ideas of eventually taking clients to the rider cap, to the opens, to the masters, which has always been a goal of ours. We want to grow, we want to grow the participation of disadvantaged kids and girls and young people into the sport to make it as accessible um to build relationships with the likes of Wales Golf, um to maybe you know play a part in in major events that come to Wales. We're we're in now for fingers crossed uh helping host the the Cairns Cup in 2030, where an associate of ours, Mike uh Mike Captain Pirate Jones, uh disabled golfer, will be captain of the Cairns Cup then. So that that that's that that's where we we want to be. But at the same time, servicing the nomadic amateur golfer who wants to play in a nice event or go to a nice course in Wales.

SPEAKER_03 42:41

Well, I know you're a busy man, Sean, you know, and um I really appreciate you giving up your time to having a chat with us on Golf Pod Cymru, because I think we're trying to do the same thing, really, you know, to to talk about and do things that we really enjoy and and help the game, particularly in Wales, help the the amateurs, the pros to publicise, you know, how they're doing on tours across the world and also push clubs as well and participation in in Wales. And one thing we've talked about is a Wales Open or a Welsh Open again. Where is it? Where's it gone? Let's get it back. So maybe you know, Great Days Golf, Golf Podcamry, Wales Golf. People can all work together and we'll we'll get somewhere in the end. Uh let's hope so. Thanks, Sean, as always. Great to talk to you. I look forward to playing in one of your events soon, all being side by side in comedy once again.

SPEAKER_00 43:30

Look forward to it.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

Thanks for having me. Well, a big thanks to Sean Hawley, great man, good friend of mine. Good to hear about his business. Great days, golf. What did you make of it all, guys? It's kind of rolling into maybe our topic this this pod, and it's about maybe golf travel, golf trips. But let's talk about what Sean had to say just to start with. What did you make of of the interview, Eddie?

SPEAKER_02 43:54

Great interview, and um it's a great company as well, and um we we work quite closely with With a great day's golf at Asprey, we we supply them with a lot of product, and what's surprising is how many golf days they do have and the and the number of people they have on their golf days as well. It seems they have a they have a a golf day or an event every week or every other week, it just shows how well they're doing and how popular they are. But one thing I took from that interview as well is that they arrange those kind of high-end trips, limited numbers, but high on experience, that kind of money can't buy, especially when you you take, you know, Dan Bigger or whatever, who gives you an insight, something that is totally different and added value to a normal golf day. So it's um it's fantastic business they have, and um I wish him well.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

Yeah, something they really love doing, you know, everybody in the business. And he said that, didn't he? You know, it's about building building the team, and then good things will will happen if you've got a good team around you and you enjoy what you do. And did you get that from them, Matt? That they really enjoy being part of that company, and it's a a love, you know. He loves the game of golf and he and he's very fortunate to work in it, like, like you, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Yeah, it's an interesting concept, actually. And uh, you know, I I've not met the guys behind the company, but I've certainly you know, I follow them on social media, and it was interesting to see that they're they're up to sort of two million views a month across all their platforms. So they're obviously getting quite a lot of traction, it's it's generating a lot of interest, and there's obviously a market for it. Yeah, I think the w you know the one thing that came across to me was that he's obviously very, very passionate about not just golf, but you know, sport in general and sport in Wales as well, which could you know can only be a good thing in terms of raising the profile for for Welsh golf. And I know that they're they're involved with you know a couple of couple of professionals that they I'm not sure if they help them out or whether they sponsor them, but they've definitely got you know f a few um guys and girls that they they look after and you know they're heavily involved as well in in some of these golf days. So you know that that that's good news as well.

SPEAKER_03 45:58

Yeah, they they they do that, you know, they look after you know various charities and whoever has a golf event they bring their charity with them and you'll have uh the the beat the pro and a couple of holes, you know, and it's it's a great day. Like like Sean said, if you call a company Great Days Golf, you've got to be bloody sure that it is gonna be a great day's golf, and and they are.

SPEAKER_01 46:16

Do you think there's a market for like let's say if the three of us started something up for like I don't know, crap days golf? Based on the way that we performed at Machanis, I think we'd be alright there, wouldn't we?

SPEAKER_03 46:29

I'll show you places on a golf course you've never seen. We're promised people a crap day. We could we could deliver that, couldn't we? That's not not not a bad idea, actually. But one thing that Sean did say, you know, uh and I'm talking about going further afield, but he did say that they are looking to to create some some trips heading into Mid Wales and and North Wales, you know, and and that that sounds a you know, if you could jump on a bus, check your clubs under there, and off you go for a a three, four-day um trip around sort of northwest Wales playing and then stopping on the way back in in some of the Mid Wales courses. You know, I used to love those trips, they're great fun.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

That's I think what's the beauty we have in Wales, we've got obviously different varieties of courses from Lynx to Parkland, but we've got these clusters of clubs close to each other, your Aberdeen, your rolls and david's, and then Port Maddock, and then you go down to you know the same peninsula, you've got the Nevin, Carnarvon, um Anglesey, you know, Conway, Abigail, you know, these clusters of clubs close to each other that you can make a trip. Yeah, you could stay in one place then, couldn't you?

SPEAKER_03 47:32

Stay in one location, one hotel, one whatever, and then you could go from there.

SPEAKER_02 47:37

Because obviously, being a Northwalian myself, lived down in the south so so many years now, but it's still amazing how many people I come across that have never played, you know, further than Pont a Pride. Pontaprive, even yeah. It's and they tend to go abroad, but if the weather's like it has been and what it is going to be over the next few weeks, you don't need to go away. These coasters we have are stunning with amazing views, and yeah, uh we fail sometimes in Wales to to kind of help ourselves with what we've got. Um and what we've got is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Yeah, because it w how how would we be different? How's our climate different to Scotland and and and Ireland? It it simply isn't, isn't it? You know, we just simply don't sell it well enough.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

It's a lot of it's down to logistics. We we tend to use the A55 corridor and the M4 corridor as our kind of main roads into and out of those areas and driving from north to south, you know, is not the easiest of routes. That doesn't help us as a nation, the logistics of the roads and the and the infrastructure of railway and stuff. If you've got the time and you allow time for it, there's no reason why not to try these new courses and new experiences.

SPEAKER_03 48:43

If if we get the billions owned by, you know, the government for for the real infrastructure and devolve the crown estate, then we can spend it all on golf. That's the answer, isn't it? That's another topic for another day.

SPEAKER_02 48:58

Maybe the king listens to golf podcam, but you never know. But one thing about golf trips is the unique element of golf trips. Everybody who plays golf have been on a golf trip, be a one-day, two-day, and it's unlike any other sport. Different ages, your you know, your your kids and your granddad on a on a on a trip to play the same sport and play these courses. So we've got a unique hobby that allows us to to go away with a diverse mix of people to play these amazing courses, and obviously the beauty of golf, you're away from the pub for four or five hours, so that kind of saves your hangover in the morning as well.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

Well, that's a little chat about sort of golf travel and and golf trips, which kind of takes us on nicely to the um comedy golf section because it inevitably s some of the funny stories happen on these golf trips. But Eril, what have you got for us this week?

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Yeah, we've got a story in, and obviously you you you two haven't heard this one, and actually it is kind of a a trip abroad as well. So, yeah, this is from Oshan Morris from Cardiff, um, and he's written in and he says, uh, here we go. About ten years ago, I was playing in the junior home nations tournament at Morgardo Golf Club in Portugal. We were due to play Scotland, but the weather was absolutely dreadful, cold, windy, and raining so hard that pedals were forming everywhere. Our pair, eager to get going, stood on the first tee, waiting and waiting and waiting, and there were no sign of the Scottish team. Eventually we heard a huge commotion coming from outside the hotel, so naturally we wandered over to investigate, and what we found was complete carnage. Apparently the Scottish pair had overslept, possibly celebrating their recent 18th birthday a little bit too enthusiastically the night before. So, in a desperate attempt to get them to the first tea on time, their junior organiser bundled them into a golf buggy and decided to take a shortcut rather than stick to the clearly marked car path. Unfortunately, with the rain lashing down and the puddles everywhere, he failed to notice that what looked like an unusually large puddle was in fact the hotel's infinity pool. The buggy disappeared into the pool, Thelma and Louise style, driver, players, golf bags, rangefinders, mobile phones, everything. The hotel staff were understandably less impressed, and a crane had to be brought in to recover the buggy from the pool. Needless to say, our tea time was delayed while the Scottish pair went off to find some dry clothes. I've attached a few photos of what remains one of my favourite and certainly funniest memories from my junior golf days. So I'll I'll send over some photos now to you two so you can see, and obviously we'll we'll post these on Instagram so that the listeners can see as well. Brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 51:45

Brilliant cracking comedy golf story on a trip to Portugal. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. Right. The Ask Matt section is something that we run on the pod, and you get a chance to ask some questions. And uh Errol's the man with a question this time, not a funny question, a proper one.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

No, no, it's not from Oshan asking how to get a boogie from the water, but um this has come from Genai Roberts from Abigail Golf Club. He says, I'm off 23, handicap, uh, and I tend to hit the ground before the ball. And I've been told I need to hit the ball before the ground. Is this true? And if so, what drills can I do to improve this? I'm gonna listen to this one because that sounds like me.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

Yeah, well well, look, in general, you need to hit the small ball before the big ball. That's uh, you know, that that's definitely a must when you play golf. But look, yeah, I mean, hitting the ground before the ball uh is is probably one of the most common things that I certainly come up against when I'm coaching. Um, you know, certainly with iron swings. I mean it happens, you know, with with drivers as well, but you you've got a little bit more of an advantage with the ball being teed up. Uh but you know, certainly with the irons, the the buzzwords, if you like, to compress your golf ball, you want to be trying to get that that golf ball, you know, before ground. So I suppose without obviously watching him swing a golf club, you know, the th there are drills that he can potentially use to help himself when he's when he's on the practice area. A favourite of mine is I'll place um you know a small towel around sort of two to four inches behind the back of the golf ball. So it'll be lying flat behind the golf ball. The intention then is when you swing is to try and miss the towel in the downswing as you're coming into impact. So if you hit the towel, you're starting to bottom out your golf swing a little bit too early. So you're you're more than likely you're going to take a big divot before the ball. So uh, you know, a great way of sort of a visual reference to this is to place that towel down, have a couple of practice swings with the intention of missing the towel. As soon as you get sort of competent at doing that, that's when you'll start striking the golf ball first, which will obviously help you compress the ball, you know, and it'll stop those big fat divots. Good answer, good tips.

SPEAKER_02 53:52

And I I know a good towel supplier if you need as well, Matt.

SPEAKER_03 53:57

Yeah, Matt, thanks for that answer to the question. An important one, and Erl has just sent these uh pictures through my good God, that's a very big puddle he's driven into. He must have been going at some oh, there's a picture of the crane as well. This is even better. Look at that. And there are there are two golfers. If you zoom into their faces, they are they are they are giggling. So I don't think they're the ones who actually went in. They're not the Scottish pair that were changing changing their clothes and getting some getting some new clubs. But um, yeah, great. If you've got any more comedy stories or from your golfing trips or they might be from ones at your home course, wherever they may be, get it get involved, get in, get in touch with us on on social media. Uh and any questions as well for for Matt, you know, keep them coming in. Bacon roll, bacon roll. Sean Holly said that the grove he thinks was $3.50. Man, what where what was um what was the price of a bacon roll at Salie Hall, I would imagine. It'd be quite pricey, was it?

SPEAKER_01 54:55

Well, yeah, you can look at it both ways here. I think the bacon roll that I paid for was £100 because because it came free with the uh you know with the overnight accommodation. So yeah, I had I had more than one bacon roll on that occasion. However, in the clubhouse, it was six pound fifty uh for a bacon roll, which I think, you know, for a resort sort of hotel, then you know I don't think that's too shabby. No, it's not at all.

SPEAKER_03 55:18

We're recording this pod very late at night, that but I'm still rather peckish and a bacon roll will go down nicely now with a cup cup of tea.

SPEAKER_02 55:26

I'm not driving eight hours to Slayley Hall to get a bacon roll.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

I wouldn't pay six pounds for a bacon roll either. I'm not driving back up there anytime soon, so yeah. Good luck. Well, just had confirmation from Sean Holly that it's not £3.50 for a bacon roll at the Grove Golf Club in Porthcall. It's £2.50. I am on my way for two of the bad boys. So I think we've come to the end of the six hole. Like I said, it could have been a short par three or a very, very long par five, and I got a feeling that it could be a very long par five, but an extremely enjoyable one for us. Hopefully, you've enjoyed being with us on the sixth, and look forward to having your company on the seventh. So take it easy, everybody. Hopefully, we get some sunshine. Hopefully, we'll all play some golf and remember repair your pitch marks.