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Amateurs and Experts
Growing Crystals? The Secret Science Inside Your Red Dot with Stephen from Primary Arms
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Have you ever wondered why it is so hard to find the perfect red dot sight for your favorite handgun? In this episode, Stephen from Primary Arms explains how his team spent three years building a brand-new optic right here in the United States. He tells funny stories about how much work it takes to test these tools, including shooting thousands of rounds of ammo until the guns get too hot to touch!
Primary Arms wanted to make sure their new sight, called the HTX One, could fit on almost any gun without needing special screws. They even had to learn how to grow special crystals and make their own glass because no one else in the country could do it the right way. This new sight helps shooters find their target faster, even if they are holding the gun in a weird way. It is a very cool look at how a small idea in a barber shop turned into a big American success story. If you love cool gear and hearing about how things are made, you should check out this new optic today!
Links
Otis Technology: (00:20) otistec.com - Hosts are recording at their 40th-anniversary booth.
Primary Arms Optics: (00:48) primaryarmsoptics.com - Discussion of their new HTX One US-made optic.
Shot Show: (00:20) shotshow.org - The industry event where the podcast is being recorded.
Sig Sauer P365: (02:45) Reference to melting the frame during extreme 5,000-round testing.
Glock MOS: (18:40) Mentioned regarding the direct-mount capability of the HTX One.
Key Takeaways
US-Made Innovation: Primary Arms spent three years building a domestic supply chain in Houston to produce the HTX One, an optic featuring lenses and components previously unavailable in the American market.
Modular Chassis System: The HTX One uses an interchangeable chassis to fit multiple footprints like RMR and MOS, ending the frustration of incompatible screws and plates.
Ultra-Low Mounting: The design allows the optic to sit flush with the slide, enabling shooters to co-witness with stock-height iron sights and maintain natural muscle memory.
Brutal Durability Testing: Development involves firing up to 200,000 rounds annually, often heating firearms until triggers are untouchable and frames begin to melt.
Advanced LED Technology: The internal LED emitters require specialized crystalline growth in labs, a high-precision process vital for the optic's performance.
- The Vulcan Reticle: A patented 240 MOA outer circle acts as a visual guide to help shooters instantly find their center dot during awkward or high-stress presentations.Humble Origins: The company evolved from a small operation run out of a barber shop into a major industry innovator with products in over 1,100 retailers.
Key Words
HTX One, Primary Arms, Shot Show, Recoil Testing, Forbidden Popsicle, LED Crystals, Vulcan Reticle, Houston Texas, RMR Footprint, MOS System, Product Management, Domestic Manufacturing.
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SPEAKER_01Welcome to Amateurs and Experts. We are at the Otis Technology Podcast Booth at Chat Show 2025. It's their 40th anniversary, which is super, super exciting. And I'm here with Erica Chin, my sister from a different mystery.
SPEAKER_00Oh my gosh, it's been so much fun. Yesterday we had, I mean, an amazing time here. It went by really fast. It did. And I can't wait for today because it's gonna be a good day. Yes.
SPEAKER_01And we're starting off great.
SPEAKER_00We are already starting off on time, if nothing else. Yes, which is really a rarity. Yes. We're excited to talk to Steven with uh Primary Arms and hear about all their new stuff. They're very innovative. Uh we had Uzge on last year, and um, she kind of told us about the company and how many products you you launched last year. We're so excited to hear about uh what you got new going on this year.
SPEAKER_01And tell us specifically like what you do in the in the company.
SPEAKER_03Sure. So um I am the director of product management now. Um previously I was the director of marketing, which was pretty cool. Um I like being more over on the product side. That's kind of what I've done in the industry with a couple of different companies help develop and kind of grow brands and figure out which direction people need to go. Good thing it's rugged. Um so I get to like kind of take a look at market space, see what customers are asking for, and then guide our engineering team in you know, whatever direction that might be. Um and probably the coolest part of the job is once we do get new prototypes in and we get to kind of start that development process and finalize and refine, I'm the one that gets to go out and shoot them and use them and you know let's tweak this. Let's oh that's such a hard job. It's super rough, super rough. How many, how many rounds usually? Um depends on the optic. I average about 150, 200,000 rounds a year now.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_03So that's that's a lot of trigger time.
SPEAKER_00Yes, it is. Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_03Recoil testing, everybody's like, oh man, it's so cool you get to go to the range and recoil test. Like recoil testing is one of the most miserable things you can do in the year.
SPEAKER_01We did talk to someone yesterday about that, that it's just it even the idea of so many rounds, just like trigger pulling, just everything, your whole all time.
SPEAKER_03Everybody's had that nightmare, right? Where you're you're trying to shoot something and you're squeezing and squeezing and can't pull the trigger. Like when you're doing recoil testing, we we developed this little micro reflex a couple of years ago. Like, cool, we need to put 5,000 rounds on it on this 365. Like, neat. All right, go to the range. Oh me.
SPEAKER_02Just you, Steve. Just you.
SPEAKER_03Like melting frames, and it's the guns get so hot you can't touch the trigger anymore because the trigger's actually gotten hot to the point where you can't touch it.
SPEAKER_01Which I I don't think a lot of people realize. The person I don't remember, it's all a blur, who we were speaking to yesterday that had said that they had like an Nick uh staccato. Staccato that literally when he shoots and tests things, there's an air conditioning unit that he puts the firearm next to because it's got to cool down. And I don't think average shooters or consumers think about the testing that it goes through and just the natural things that happen, it's gonna get hot.
SPEAKER_03Oh, they they get real hot. There's everybody knows the forbidden popsicle, but the uh the forbidden trigger shoe. When you put enough nine mil through a 365 to get that trigger shoe smoking on it, it's that's a lot of a lot of round zone range.
SPEAKER_00Until your arms fall off.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you can always tell the the recoil test guys are the because they're they're forearmed on their dominant side, it's just absolutely massive because they're just sitting there squeezing.
SPEAKER_01I'm picturing like a cartoon character from Spongebob. So when you guys go through the product development stage, what's like the average timeline that it takes to, you know, went from conception of the idea to actually launching the product?
SPEAKER_03Usually it's anywhere from, you know, if we're really cooking on it, it's about a year to 18 months worth of development time. Most stuff takes about two years, and some of the really complex stuff. Um, like we've got, I think there's six projects we're working on now that are going into their or well into their third year by now. Uh probably hit fourth. So it it all depends on the complexity of the project. Like our new HTX1, that was that was a three-year project from ideation to release a CHAT show this year.
SPEAKER_01Wow. And how many phases does that roughly include?
SPEAKER_03Uh a lot. Um just like HTX, because it's it's we taught ourselves how to make stuff in the US with HTX. So just the housing alone.
SPEAKER_01And that's a big learning curve.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because it it especially for this thing, it didn't exist. We can't call up like one-800 glass and hey, we need you to grind a lens for us because there isn't the technology or the labor in the United States to build what we needed for that. So we had to this whole uh domestic supply chain, we had to build that from the ground up, and then you can't just do it once because then you're putting all your eggs in one basket. You've got to do it twice so you have redundancy. So build two independent US supply chains and then find glass partners and glass manufacturers that A have the equipment, the ability to do what you need, and then are willing to learn with you to make what you need to make.
SPEAKER_01Which is fascinating to me in in so many levels, but the idea that a company is like, hey, we believe in this idea, it's never been done before, but we we believe that we can do it, and we're gonna take the massive investment to do what it takes to get there. It's like building the space shuttle. Like, yeah, we think we can get to the moon, but we're not really sure, but we're gonna try.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, we're gonna throw all these parts at it and just push a button and hopefully it doesn't go boom. We'll see. It's uh yeah, development, development time and the um, you know, the time we put into it and then the cost to develop as well. We moved into a new building about three years ago for optics, and it we moved in there with a sole purpose of standing up US manufacturing. So as we moved in, we started building out clean rooms and assembly areas, and um, that whole thing was designed for this product. So for the last three years, it's just been pulling cash out of the account for that building because we weren't producing in it, and now that we are like finally we can start recouping some of that.
SPEAKER_01But that's amazing, and the amount of trial and error because it's not like when you do something brand new that it's gonna work the first time. So it's like you think you do something and you're like, oh, this didn't work, we gotta tweak this or that didn't work at all.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, what what looks good on paper and what actually works are two very different things. And I feel bad our engineering team are some of the smartest dudes I've ever met. It's a tight crew and they're extremely good at what they do. Um, Bert, who's our senior director of engineering, he's kind of the mad scientist who like, hey, let's make this really cool thing, and he does all the initial design work, and then the rest of the team has to figure out how to build that. And you just have a lot of redesign into building that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm thinking of I I know I keep bringing up these analogies, but Apollo 13 where he's like, we need this to go into this. And the team's like, all right.
SPEAKER_03A and I have B, we need these things to make C, and it needs to work right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Because design engineers are really good at designing stuff, but they're generally not experts in manufacturing. It's different sides of the brain. Yeah, you can you can design something that's awesome and it will be great, but it is impossible to manufacture.
SPEAKER_01It's called blue sky design. Where you're like, this sounds great, but the reality of it actually functioning or getting it there is not a thing.
SPEAKER_03It is. I mean, just the tolerances alone. So the housing on this thing, the first time we sent this out to bid, we had six shops come back to us and just like, no, we're good. We're not gonna try it. Um, and then there is a couple of shops which were a little nicer that said, well, we'll give it a shot. And then, you know, a month into it, six weeks, two months into it, when they're trying to machine one, they come back like, okay, first of all, we don't have the labor to do this, or our machines aren't capable of the stalwart, or we just don't want to because it's such a pain in the neck. So they'll come back and shut us down then. So you kind of get excited, like, yeah, somebody's gonna make it, and you see the outside cut, and that's cool, but that's not the hard part. So then they come at you later when you think you got the one, and like, yeah, no, no, we're not doing this.
SPEAKER_01Wow, but an emotional roller coaster. Oh, it's it's and a create a creative emotional roller coaster.
SPEAKER_03It's it is. You get excited, like, and then you come up with a solution, you're like, all right, sweet, so we got this, so yeah, we can make that, and then you get one built, and for a while it was, I'm sure our engineering team hated giving them to me to like, hey, yo, I need a sample to go make video, and I gotta go out to the range and run this thing. And I'd come back from the range, and you could see them all like, please don't come in, please don't come in. I come in like, yo, so I broke this and this and this. We need to.
SPEAKER_00And it's like in pieces in your hand. Here you go.
SPEAKER_03It's it's such a yeah, such an emotional roller coaster. Go out to the range and something stops working on it and go back and fix it. But that the team is really, really good at like figuring out what went wrong in there, why it went wrong, and how to fix it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And uh yeah, they've been able to do some incredible stuff. So that's phenomenal.
SPEAKER_00So just tell us about this. Like, why is it such a big deal for primary arms to have this optic?
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, what's different? Marshall started off selling optics kind of through ARV and out of the back of his barber shop. And he uh they started off like on ARVOM and he's telling people, you know, you don't have to spend this ridiculous amount of money to get a good dot that'll do what you need it to do. You can get good quality for good cost. And somebody's basically told him, like, okay, well, let's see you do it. So he's like, okay, and he did it.
SPEAKER_00Came on, hold my beer.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he went out and started off with the first red dot and got him in, sold a lot of them on ARPCOM, sold a bunch um, you know, physically through his his barbershop, kind of in the back there, shipped them all out of there, and then it grew, moved into a location, and he started PA.com where they sold all kinds of stuff as well as optics. And then, you know, moving over to primary arms optics, a lot of it was overseas manufacturing markets. So we'd go over to Philippines, China, Japan, uh meet up with people like, hey, we have an idea for this thing. Do you guys think you could build it? Um kind of leaning on their engineers a little bit as well as ours. And then, you know, we grew some more, brought our engineers in, like, okay, this is what we want you to build, this is how we want you to build it. And uh you know, through quality control and making sure that the assembly processes were right, we were able to kind of bump that quality level up to the next step and next step, and kept growing like that, and like finally it was uh nobody makes this thing here, this is an awesome idea. We don't want to send it overseas, we want to make it ourselves.
SPEAKER_00So this is completely made in the USA.
SPEAKER_03It is, it is. They're the only there's part of one component that isn't, and it is the crystal on the LED. So um LEDs, they're they don't have glass on them, it's not plastic. You actually have to grow the crystals for the LED. Wow. There's two places in the world that do that. One's in Germany, one's in China. So we're growing our crystals in Germany, and then we're potting and soldering them here to complete assembly on them, and then we everything else is US.
SPEAKER_01So my mind is blown. You my mouth is hanging open. Like growing crystals, I feel like I'm a smart person, but right now I feel really dumb. Yeah, you're growing.
SPEAKER_00I've never heard of growing crystals either.
SPEAKER_03There's there's some other people in the States that do it. That's not the kind of crystals we need. I was just gonna say that.
SPEAKER_00I've heard of making crystal meth.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, there's there's there's those guys um slightly different tolerance variations and chemical compositions.
SPEAKER_01They use cardboard tubes.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, those bathtubs or something like that. Didn't quite have that level of precision with the buckets. Um so if you've ever like when you were a kid did the like rock candy thing.
SPEAKER_01I was just oh yeah, or the like the science kits, like because nerd used to get the like grow girl crystals and like yeah.
SPEAKER_03We used to do that all the time. I was I was a huge science nerd when I was a kid too, so it was still ham. Like I do ham radio, and every time somebody's like, really, you do that? Like, what are you 90? Like, no, dude, it's cool. Super cool. I don't need a cell phone as long as the other person I want to talk to has a radio. How about that?
SPEAKER_01You should get one.
SPEAKER_03But yeah, it's a very similar process. So you you actually grow the crystal in the shape that you want your LED to be. And um, yeah, it's it's a very, very neat process to do. But like I said, there's only two places in the world that do it. So we literally can't have that done in the United States. It's it would take years to develop the infrastructure to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That's that's my brain's a little broke.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. We don't only make red dots, we grow.
SPEAKER_00I know. So now every time I see an LED, I'm like, where did this grow? Can I wear it on a necklace?
SPEAKER_03You could, they could grow those things big. Someone like, have you ever seen like the big um single point um like studio lights? Yeah, it's a big thing. We have one so like each one of those little LEDs is grown. Um the big ones that have like a ginormous center emitter. That is a crystal that's grown. So it's yeah, it's you can make a big.
SPEAKER_01I am going to fall down a rabbit hole later on YouTube. Oh my gosh, me too. I want to grow crystals. Me too.
SPEAKER_03That's good. Just make sure, make sure you you do the cool one.
SPEAKER_01But we're not here next year's game. You don't know what happened to us. So what happened to Jason Air?
SPEAKER_00Not the one you grow in your microwave.
unknownYeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Did you guys have that at Industry Day this past week?
SPEAKER_03We did not. Okay. Um, these have been we've had a couple of these kind of like pocket samples at Shot Show for the last couple years. There's some um government customers that had interest in it, so we were able to kind of show and tell with those guys, and we've been working with a few different agencies um on uh what their requirements are and what they need.
SPEAKER_01So fitting their specs in that world.
SPEAKER_03Um but outside of that, this thing's been really close to the chest.
SPEAKER_00So have they hit the market?
SPEAKER_03Uh they are at they're available for pre-order at Select Dealers now.
SPEAKER_02Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03And the first commercial units of these will be shipping again in very limited quantities uh starting in April.
SPEAKER_01So exciting. Which is a whole other part of the process, is that you go through two, three years of product development, but then you enter the actual marketing phase of packaging, how to explain the product, advertising, getting it to retailers.
SPEAKER_03Especially with all the unique features in this thing, like it's not just a pistol reflex, it's not like everybody else is out there. There's some features in this that make this extremely unique, and then teaching people, not only like on the industry side how we sell it to dealers, but teaching the dealers to explain it to their customers so they understand what it does and what the advantages of the systems are.
SPEAKER_00Can can you talk a little bit about what those are? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So I anybody that knows me or has had like a single meeting with me knows that the one thing that I hate more than anything else is footprints and screws. Because screw thread hitches and diameters, everybody does whatever they want and nobody follows a blueprint, which I cannot stand. So you have companies like, yeah, we've got a doctor cut on our gun. Like, cool, and then you have your doctor footprinted optic and you go to throw that on the gun and it doesn't fit. Like, okay, you don't have a doctor cut on your gun. You thought this optic that you modeled your cut after was a doctor, it's actually 4,000 shorter than a blueprinted doctor cut, and you've cut 10,000 slides too short to fit anybody else's dot.
SPEAKER_01Mic drop.
SPEAKER_03Yep, boom. Good for you. I hate you. We will re-modify our dots so it fits. And then you have other companies like we've got a RMR cut on our thing, so we'll fit any RMR. So we make an RMR footprint optic, and then you get a bunch of like customer calls coming in, like, yo, the screws don't fit and nothing works, and the screws that do fit the thing don't fit in the holes in the dot, and because they didn't follow the brute pin for the screws, so they use their own thing, or they change the thread pitch because why not? So then that's why, like, now when you buy a dot, you have a packet of like 40 sets of screws, and then you gotta play like magic numbers and figure out which screw goes in your gun to mount all your stuff up. Um so all that being said, like previously you had to kind of fit your gun to the dot that you wanted. So if you wanted something from aimpoint or you wanted something from Trigicon or you wanted something, whatever you wanted, you had to make sure that your gun had that cut to accept that optic. Um we fit our optic to your gun. So it's not like looking at the bottom of this, there's no defined footprint on it. Can I touch it? You sure can.
SPEAKER_00After hours, after hours.
SPEAKER_03We're gonna do it after hours. I wasn't gonna say it.
SPEAKER_01And it's only 826.
SPEAKER_03Perfect way to start off shot day too. Um so yeah, on there there's there's no defined footprint. It doesn't really like, oh well, this will obviously go on RMR, this will obviously go in MOS, whatever it is. Um we developed a chassis system. So the chassis will actually change the footprint of the optic to fit whatever cut you have. Uh the three that come with it on initial release are RMR A, which is the traditional like slap cut RMR that everybody has. There's RMR B, which is more like the Zev style that has like the little raised-threaded bosses. And then we've got the MOS compatible chassis as well. So it'll direct mount to anything with RMR, which is pretty much 95% of the guns that are out there have some type of plate or something for RMR. Um, and then directly to uh the Glock MOS system as well. Um and by doing that, it doesn't matter, you know, you're a die-in-the-wool Glock shooter today, but maybe in two years you decide to switch over to Smith or you want to go over to FN or you want to go over to Canak or whatever you want to change to.
SPEAKER_01You can take it with you.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you can take it with you. You don't have another new dot and another new footprint, and it doesn't lock you into a single footprint. So just change the chassis, man, you can put it on whatever you want. Um, it also allows us to mount lower than any other enclosed reflex out there as well. So, like this thing on a Glock MOS, for example, the bottom of the window sits flush with the top of the slide.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because often mounts then just have you sit higher and higher.
SPEAKER_03You have a really weird hideover bore problem on a pistol, which you know wasn't really a thing until recently. Right. And then you've also got um that adjusted sight picture. So you see a lot of people that have dots, even when they're kind of used to shooting, if they're they're good shooters, they know the feel of their gun, they'll go present, and then you see them pick their head up so they can get the window. Yes. And it's unnatural for them, and it's more difficult to kind of get that. So they lose the dot in the window. Um, they've got to put suppressor height sights on, so that's gonna pick them up as well. Um, with these, you can co-witness with stock height sights, and it's a full sight picture co-witness as well. It's not like that's the liver of the front sight blue.
SPEAKER_01I think that's the best way I've heard it explained because when we were at Industry Day, I was having a conversation with somebody who isn't really well experienced with shooting red dot. And he was like, you know, this is hard. I was like, because I'm used to shooting iron sights. Like I and red dot for me, I just can't get it down. But the way that you explained it makes perfect sense because you're just you're not used to it.
SPEAKER_03It's that muscle memory of getting set up and yeah, you're going to those flat irons and then you're you're a quarter inch below that window, so you've got to pick your whole head up, move up. But most of the time, people don't pick their head up, they move the gun down, and when they do that, they lead with a muzzle so the dot will flash through the window and they get lost again. You are so smart. You know what I like about this? I shoot a lot of guns.
SPEAKER_00I really like that the dot is uh very vibrant, but it's not so big that I feel like it's gonna cover a target.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's it's technically it's a 3.86 MOA dot. We call it 4 MOA because for all intents and purposes, it's 4 MOA. Um we had a lot of customer feedback. They're like, oh, you should have gone with one MOA, you should have gone with two MOA, you should have gone with then you should have built it. Well, I can I can take this one and show it to somebody and they'll be like, dude, that's it's a four MOA, way too big. And I'll take another one exactly the same dot size. Yeah. And be like, well, this is our two MOA version and give it to them like way better. Oh yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Like, there's your dot. Like my guy marketing. Yep. It's as big as you want it to be. Okay. After hours. Yes. Another unique thing about the reticle that we're putting in this, so we've got two versions of it. There's the dot only, which is super complicated. It's a dot. And then there's our Vulcan reticle. So anybody who's familiar with our Vulcan Reticle will know it's a very large outer circle with that same aiming point. Like in this one, it is a 240 MOA outer circle, well, 238 MOA outer circle, 240. And as long as you present the gun right, you can't see it. It falls outside of the field of view, so all you're looking at is a dot. But bad grip out of the holster, you're shooting with your support hand, you're shooting around a barricade, something weird under a car, something like that, where you would traditionally lose that dot, you can see the circle, and hopefully most of us, depending on which public education system you're raised in, know how to find the center of a circle. So you know which way to drive that gun to get it to center, so you're not sitting there like fishing for that dot.
SPEAKER_00Right. Yeah. I and I do like that. Yeah, I do like that. Stephen, so if somebody wants to um get a hold of primary arms, they want an optic like this, they want to be on the wait list, they want to give money. Uh, you know, take my money, give me a red dot when it comes out. How do they how do they find that?
SPEAKER_03For the money part, um, I've got a Zell phone number that I'm happy to hand out. Um, it's they can uh they can hit us up on any of our social medias. That's the best way to find out about new stuff. We pump it through social first. Um so Instagram, uh I was gonna say Twitter, it's not Twitter anymore. X. X. Um Facebook. I don't know if we're banned on that or not. It's it depends on the day.
SPEAKER_01Give it a few months. IG. We might be back. Yeah, maybe.
SPEAKER_03We'll see. Hopefully. Fingers crossed, we can do whatever we want on X. But um yeah, hit us up on our social media. So Primary Arms Optics is our handle on everything. Um you can go to our website, primaryarmsoptics.com. Everybody knows uh the dot com side, which is actually a customer of ours. So um PA.com is a great customer. You can go find stuff on theirs or any of our other dealers across the country as well. So um we're I think we're currently in 1100 retailers or something like that.
SPEAKER_00Sweet.
SPEAKER_03Um, yeah, a lot of dudes out there. If uh your favorite local gun shop doesn't have it, tell them they need to.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. Thank you so much for for coming and and showing us the new product uh product with uh primary arms as well.
SPEAKER_01And we'll gladly have you on again anytime you guys come out with another product. Yeah, because I want to talk about the process again.
SPEAKER_00And and I love this because it's made in the USA, and um, except for that crystal, but um we'll supply the free. We'll get our own crystal company going.
SPEAKER_01And then we can be able to supply primary arms. I think this is a good idea. I think that's cool. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Anyway, I think that it is I mean amazing that you guys actually start to finish pretty much um build this in the USA.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's that's the that's its name take. So HTX, Houston, Texas.
SPEAKER_00Uh huh.
SPEAKER_03Um we're super proud of it and we're glad we could bring it out.
SPEAKER_00As you guys should be. Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_00Thank you.
SPEAKER_03Thank you.