Two Feet In

We tell the real story of how we went from meeting as teenagers to choosing a life built on commitment, shared goals, and intentional decisions. We connect love, money, health, and entrepreneurship to show how our partnership grows through discomfort and big trade-offs. 
• meeting at 13 or 14 and reconnecting years later 
• the night we finally took the leap and the fast move from dating to serious commitment 
• mental health challenges early on and how support works both ways 
• moving to Penticton with no safety net to give the relationship a real chance 
• the Vegas proposal story and what it revealed about us 
• why we combine finances and treat assets as a team decision 
• endometriosis, being dismissed, and learning to advocate for yourself 
• bipolar diagnosis and the reality of living with mental health labels 
• becoming comfortable being uncomfortable as partners and parents 
• kids earlier than expected and surviving the no-sleep season 
• the Calgary move, the Mexico near-move, and how one decision rewrites a life 
• the camping question that sparked a pivot into music and bigger entrepreneurship 

Transcript

Welcome And What We Value

Speaker 1 0:02

Built this empire from the ground. Never backing down. Never bound.

Speaker 2 0:12

Two hearts, one vision, we stay true. In the thick of it. In the Phipps of it.

Speaker 4 0:27

Welcome to In the Phipps of It. I'm Natasha Phipps.

Speaker 0:30

And I'm Rodney Phipps.

Speaker 4 0:31

Welcome to our podcast.

Speaker 0:33

We're here to talk about life, love, our pursuit of authentic happiness.

Speaker 4 0:38

We are married. We work together. We're parents to two amazing kids, and we hope you enjoy the show.

Meeting At Fourteen And Reconnecting

Speaker 0:49

All right, here we are. Back again.

Speaker 4 0:52

We're back.

Speaker 0:53

We're back. So where do we start?

Speaker 3 0:56

Start at the beginning.

Speaker 0:57

Start at the beginning. Always the best? So I mean, we get asked a lot, I think, about our how we met, how we first, you know, started dating, all that fun stuff. I think it always surprises people that we've known each other as long as we have. We first met when we were 14.

Speaker 4 1:12

13 or 14.

Speaker 1:13

Around 13 or 14, yeah. I may have been. Yeah. At like a student village camp thing. It was a very interesting kind of first experience. I remember it very clearly. I don't know if your memories are quite as clear as mine, but we have a a photo still in our house of the two of us. I still had braces, uh, a goofy look on my face because I was trying to keep my braces out of the photo.

Speaker 4 1:37

Same age as our son is right now.

Speaker 1:38

I know that's the part that's really scary.

Speaker 4 1:40

Um he's 14. That's how, yeah, that's where we were.

Speaker 1:43

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And and then it took roughly 10 years for me to uh get the uh courage up to ask you out. So for that 10 years, we kind of went about our our education and our our our life journey.

Speaker 4 1:58

We had mutual friends and we saw each other like here and there.

Speaker 2:01

Yeah.

Speaker 4 2:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2:02

Yeah, we did. We would, you know, obviously I was I was not living in Calgary, so I'd be coming in and out of town. The funny uh side note that I always tell is my cousin would kind of keep tabs. I'd come into town and be like, Have you seen Tash yet? Like we're like I had no idea about it. Yeah, of course you didn't you didn't you didn't know it was all going on, but uh he'd he'd give me the updates and then uh I was living in Montreal the time, working with my friend Karim, who now is the owner operator of Longview Steakhouse and crushing it. I was living in Montreal, helping him open a restaurant there, and uh came back in to town to see family and went to a flames game and convinced our our mutual friend Shannen to drag you out to the bar.

Speaker 4 2:47

I had to test the next day. I was being responsible.

Speaker 2:49

You were very yes, very responsible. So I don't know why you agreed to to to join us. And actually, side note, I did I did some research, went back digging, and that's 20 years ago to the day, March 3rd. So this year. This year, 20 years, 20 years from that. You know, I I was full of courage, perhaps influenced by the liquid kind, and kind of cut right to the chase. And I I believe I told you that if I had a ring in my pocket, I'd propose to you right there on the spot.

Speaker 4 3:19

Yes, that's that's that's about what it was.

Speaker 3:21

So zero to a hundred. And you were nuts. Yes. You may still think I'm nuts, but and and that kind of kicked it off. And then we we dated for a little while, kind of long distance. I

A Mental Health Wake-Up Call

Speaker 3:35

had a mental health incident, you could say, early on in our our relationship. And I think we can go into more depth on that maybe in a future episode with the touches on mental health and and how we how we broke my heart. Yeah, and and and and also importantly, how we've supported each other in that way. And yes, I think a big big part of my my mental health journey has been your support and your encouragement to to work on that part of myself.

Speaker 4 4:04

But well, and that ties so much into like success in life, success in relationships, in business, um, how like how we are taking care of our mind.

Speaker 4:15

Yes.

Speaker 4 4:16

And how as partners we are helping each other with that. Because that's not just a one-way street. You do a lot for me in that capacity as well. And like thankfully, that I think that did force us to pay a lot of attention to that. Like when we came back together. And like, hey, we're gonna make a go of this. Like that was really important to both of us.

Speaker 4:35

Yes. And I think what we something that'll come up a lot as we have our discussions is intentionality. And I think to your point, what that forced us was to be intentional about the decisions we made, not just together, but for each other, for our own health, yeah, for whether it's physical or mental intention on how we spend the time we do together and make the decisions that we make. And so that that was the first sort of wake-up call towards what I already knew I was struggling with mental health. And that that was the first, like, real like, okay, this is not something you can just self-medicate or pretend doesn't it doesn't exist. And that will be a whole probably series of episodes later on. But going back to the the origin story, after that little break, big break, we decided to give it uh one proper shot.

Starting Over Together In Penticton

Speaker 5:23

We moved to Penticton together.

Speaker 3 5:25

Yeah, sorry, mom.

Speaker 5:26

Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, Sharon. Picked a spot that neither of us really had a social network or a distraction and and sort of went, you know, let's go somewhere, let's give this a proper shot.

Speaker 3 5:37

Yeah.

Speaker 5:38

And less snow. A lot of fun. I was working as a chef there, did a lot of catering and private events and wine tours and different things like that. And that's where you got your real estate license.

Speaker 4 5:50

Yeah.

Speaker 5:50

Yeah.

Speaker 4 5:51

That's where, yeah, I was first licensed in British Columbia and hard market to get started in, knowing pretty well nobody.

Speaker 3 5:59

Yeah.

Speaker 4 6:00

And in a very small town. So yeah, it was a struggle. But we like did really well there.

Speaker 6:07

Yes.

Speaker 4 6:08

But business was tough there.

Speaker 6:09

Yeah, and and then definitely an intro into what your career would take, I think, in in a way. And also for ourselves, we had our mutual assets, and that was where the assets came together investment, real estate, personal residences, and that as well. You didn't know this at the time, and in my head, I sort of had committed to that if if we had could spend a year together and you hadn't murdered me with good reason, then it would be time to propose for real this time with an actual ring. And so about a year and a half being there, we went to Vegas and and I proposed. Um and yeah, that was also kind of a funny side story. I was very desperate to have a bottle of champagne. And anybody who's been to Vegas, room service is generally not an issue. I think you're gonna get room service in 10 minutes. They just have a well-oiled machine. Well, I called in, we're getting ready to. Yeah, exactly. They're you know, run up to your room to charge what I was trying to buy, and and and I couldn't get anyone on the phone. It's just and so I like you're you're getting ready, and I run down to the little store they have in the palazzo there and get a full bottle of shampoo. We're going to eat in like 15 minutes. I'm here I am grabbing a full bottle of champagne.

Speaker 4 7:23

Freaking out about this.

Speaker 7:23

Freaking out. The nice thing is we have the glasses as keepsakes, but ran back up to the room, did the true you know, the somewhat classic putting the the ring in the glass of champagne. And I will never forget the look on your face when you went to take a sip and you saw the ring and this puzzled look on your face. Of course, yeah. Was it dirt? Was it what? And it's like, what the heck is in this glass? Yeah, and I was confident you would say yes, but that look didn't exactly vibe with the confidence, but then quickly, quickly recovered when he, I think, realized what it was. And and then yeah, we got engaged. And at the time, I would say a lot of our social network was like, you guys are too young. Yeah, you're too young to be to be getting married, you're too young to be, you know, settling down for whatever the hell that means. And that was an interesting part of our relationship as well.

Speaker 4 8:16

A lot of people thought we were young, and a lot of our friends like you know, didn't get married for a long time after. You said something that about our assets coming together and about our lives coming together. I think we like went for it from from day one. We're like, if we're doing this, we're doing this the right way, or what we at least thought was the

Combining Money And Going All In

Speaker 4 8:35

right way.

Speaker 3 8:35

Yeah.

Speaker 4 8:36

But even the like I was listening, what was I listening to recently? How there was just a huge debate around like keeping your finances separate or your assets separate. And I mean, I and maybe this will be a controversial topic, but like in in my mind, I don't know how else to do this without just like pushing everything into the middle and and understanding that we are a team now and that's it.

Speaker 9:00

Yeah, and I I think that's a good point. And it was something that we probably didn't have as much of an intentional discussion about. It was just we just both kind of felt that way and just assumed, I think, that it was like it's either all like we're either in this together or we're not. Yeah.

Speaker 4 9:13

And that really all or nothing.

Speaker 9:15

Yeah, and and that started with our our assets. I think we probably both had been given advice around prenups and you know, we both were coming into a relationship with assets of our own.

Speaker 3 9:25

Yeah.

Speaker 9:25

And so both, I think both your your family, your support system is gonna be like, okay, well, are you, you know, are you making these decisions, especially if they think you're young? And to us that was just a non-starter. Yeah, neither of us really expected to get married, I don't think. We both had challenging experiences with relationships and and did not have expectation that we were going to get married. Like that was not a like, I this was not like a checklist. Like, I need to to have a successful life, I need to get married, which I think a lot of people it is. It's like I this is one of those checklist items. For us, that was not the case.

Speaker 4 9:57

No, it was more just I didn't think what I wanted out of a marriage would have been possible at earlier points in our life. So what what we have now, of course, is like I would not have dreamed that to be.

Speaker 10:09

Absolutely.

Speaker 4 10:10

A possibility or an option to work towards. So I think that's what sort of maybe took us both off guard at the time was like, but it did feel that way, like we had that potential. Yeah. So if we have that shot, then we're gonna go for it.

Speaker 10:24

Yes. Yeah. And and I think you you'll as we have these conversations, people will pretty well recognize, and people that know us recognize we're not exactly by half people.

Speaker 3 10:33

No.

Speaker 10:33

Um, that's one thing that I think we're both much like we're either doing it or we're not. There's there's no dunking the toe, there's no half committal, it's not, it's, it's, you know, and and I think when it comes to being an entrepreneur and being trying to try to carve our part out of the world, you kind of have to have that mindset. I I think if you try to be a successful entrepreneur and you dip your toe, you're you're you're gonna struggle. It's just it it takes there's just so much, you know, you're you have to drive through walls sometimes. And that's if you don't have full commitment, that's gonna be a struggle. And I think even with our relationship, especially in the earlier time, if we didn't have that full commitment, it may not have worked to the degree it did. Like part of it was that we had that full two feet

Endometriosis, Bipolar, And Hard Lessons

Speaker 11:20

in.

Speaker 4 11:20

And we had struggle. Like I I was really unwell for a long period of time in the beginning of our relationship while we were in Penti cton, while I first had my real estate license, like being uncomfortable was a constant. I had really severe endometriosis that nobody believed me for a very long period of time. So anyone struggling with endometriosis, it was absolutely horrific. And I ended up getting a private surgery.

Speaker 3 11:44

Yeah.

Speaker 4 11:45

We went to Vancouver and that changed, that changed my life because it was before that no one believed me and it was debilitating pain. So if you have that, like advocate for yourself over and over and over again. But that discomfort, sort of like, you know, sheer will, sort of at the time, yeah, I think is what kind of threw us into this a little bit in terms of being entrepreneurs or self-starters. And and at the time too, it was like I could only do what I could do.

Speaker 12:13

Yeah.

Speaker 4 12:14

I could never have been working eight hours at a desk all day or something during that time.

Speaker 12:18

There's absolutely no way. Yeah. And and you know, we even went down to like Las Vegas for vitamin therapy approaches. Like there was about two years there where we were constantly tracking things out. And there would be weeks at a time where you would be, you know, pre-well bedridden. Pretty well bedridden. Our dog at Cooper, the most brilliant dog to this day. We have three dogs and they're not here, so they can't hear me say this, but the most brilliant dog, most emotionally sound animal I think I've ever I experienced. And he was just your companion, your your pillow, everything. I'd take when we were bedridden, I'd take him out to to pee, and he would be back upstairs in your bed before I swear I shut the door, like like a rocket, just back right up there. I'd have to pick him up and take him outside. He would refuse to leave your side. Just brilliant. But yeah, it was very uncomfortable. And and also like asset-wise, like business decision-wise, you go, okay, what business decisions could we have made differently back then? Well, we could have made different decisions with our assets. Absolutely we we we sold instead of refinancing a thing that we didn't understand enough about at the time.

Speaker 4 13:19

And no one talked to us about it, like no, like our anchors or nope. It was just no one said there's other options.

Speaker 13:26

There's other options, yeah. And and looking back on it, that maybe one of the decisions is rather than sell, maybe refinance. Yes, and we could still use some of that capital towards life things. But what I will say is if we didn't have those assets, we didn't have that option, that's right. It would have been so much more difficult. So so when people are making decisions about investing in real estate, like that's part of it. Life happens. Yeah. And if you have the asset, at least you have the option. Maybe it sets back your portfolio a little bit, but at least you have the option. Right. If you don't have it, you don't have the option. Exactly. And so that was, you know, very, very important. Um, and you know, our our families were really involved with getting our career started in in real estate and getting us in in in that direction. And you know, without their support, that those things would not have been helpful or available either. But but yeah, it was like to your point, it was very there's a lot of discomfort early on. You dealt with a lot of physical stuff, I was dealing with a lot of mental stuff. By this point, now I had been officially diagnosed with with depression, whatever that that's a wide scope.

Speaker 3 14:31

Yeah.

Speaker 14:31

And then it wasn't until a few years even after that that I officially got the bipolar diagnosis.

Speaker 4 14:37

We were in Calgary.

Speaker 14:38

We were back in Calgary at that point, and I actually was going to to try this magnet therapy treatment that that my mom had found that I think has pretty good efficacy rate for depression.

Speaker 3 14:51

For depression.

Speaker 14:52

But if you are bipolar, it can cause more swing with the the manic side. And so doing the onboarding, I spent some time with a psychiatrist then and he gave me the diagnosis, which wasn't necessarily surprising, but it's also and this is we'll we'll talk about this more down the road. It's hard to hear, and and it's we'll we'll have probably full conversations around mental health and physical health health period that could probably be weeks. But like I say this all the time, it's just it's a diagnosis that you're a little bit further down the crazy train. Like, you know, I talk all the time that people don't ever when they may bring up a relationship or or someone that that has bipolar, you never hear them talk about the great painting or the great works they did. It's the time that they sold the house, bed it all on red, and disappeared to Mexico for a month. Right. That's the story you hear, and so that's where your starting point is. And so we're both dealing with very uncomfortable health issues and what it was value-wise, we talked to our kids about this, is it we became more comfortable being uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 16:00

Absolutely. And like the world now, we're very comfortable. Is there stress, is there worries, is all these things, but like I think as parents, that's something we all need to be thinking about too is like how comfortable are our kids? We want the best for them, but a little discomfort is okay. And you can't, you know, really progress in any way without being uncomfortable.

Speaker 16:23

Yeah. And I I think maybe our next conversation will be titled comfortable being uncomfortable because there's a lot there that when it comes to being an entrepreneur, a a relationship, and and parents. And we see that as as as parents for our kids, see it as a coach, the the the workforce as this next generation of people are entering it. Yeah, there's there's a real communication around comfort and being okay that I think, you know, we might have opinions that differ from some of other people, but I think that's important to talk

Kids Fast, Calgary Move, Mexico Almost

Speaker 16:55

about. But to get back to our sort of origin after we got in married while we were still in Penticton, and then when and because of your health issues, the doctors had kind of told us it's gonna be very difficult for you to have kids, right?

Speaker 4 17:10

Yeah, they basically told me I couldn't get pregnant. Almost like they were like, go straight to IVF, just don't even attempt.

Speaker 17:18

So we had, I mean, we it was sort of a natural progression. Like we wanted to have we kind of knew we wanted to have kids, and and if it happened right away, great, but we were expecting it to take some time.

Speaker 3 17:27

Yeah.

Speaker 17:28

And so again, compared to our social, you know, network, we had kids quicker and earlier than most of everybody in our definitely our our circle, and and it happened right away. And and so you got pregnant really quickly. Came off birth control, pregnant in a month, yeah, in a month, yeah, which was impossible, a miracle. And so that was our our our son Aiden. And so that was when the big decision came, and this is where career and family and all these things meet. And and so that's when we decided to move back to Calgary. Social, like our your your parents being here was a huge part of that.

Speaker 4 18:03

Yes. And but also like my at least my mom might have had to move to BC if we if we moved back.

Speaker 18:10

Yeah, there there are these moments where where the line can can you know move. Yeah. Um, the story can be completely different. And us almost moving to Mexico would be one of those lines. I think that could possibly be an entire conversation as well. But we've we came very close to picking up everything and moving to Mexico. I was gonna start a restaurant there. We had found the restaurant, we had put an offer down on the restaurant. We were had an accepted offer, not just put down an offer, but we had an accepted offer. And then there was a a crazy incident with your parents as they were driving back. And we don't need to get into it fully right now, but that completely upset the apple. Yeah, I think that'll be a guest episode for sure. You you can tell it himself because we don't do it justice. But that's how close we came to having a completely different line from Calgary. But then once we knew that wasn't happening, it was it was Calgary. Professionally speaking, it was a better opportunity. Penticton was just it just was too difficult. And the city really desperately wanted to stay quiet and sleepy and no, and I mean we we were looking at buying like a business while we were there. It was a tanning salon. And and they had, you know, they were gonna they had valued it off of the back of a napkin, basically. Yeah. And they gave us like one year of financials from like three years previous. That was that was their valuation. We were like, what the all right, we're out, we're out. So we moved back to Calgary. When I left Calgary in junior high, I went to high school and boarding school. I kind of left with two middle fingers up, like, you know, I'm out. And then we moved back to Calgary about eight blocks from where I grew up. Yeah, which is always hilarious. That's like not just back to Calgary, but like literally back to my old neighborhood.

Speaker 4 19:53

Yeah, that was a big sacrifice for you at the time. Like, you did not want to live in Calgary. That was a big thing. And I remember at the time being like, okay, I did not feel I could live out east.

Speaker 3 20:05

Yeah.

Speaker 4 20:06

So that was a big sacrifice you made. And I recognize that then and now. And I mean, maybe you like it here more now than you do. Yeah.

Speaker 20:14

Every every acclimatizer.

Speaker 4 20:17

It wouldn't have been your choice if if it wasn't for us and like the family and and that. You probably would not have stayed here.

Speaker 20:23

No, and if it was uh to be completely honest with that self, I it probably would not even have been on my top three choices. It was the right choice in hindsight. Yeah. It was absolutely the right choice. And between family, you know, obviously you have your your immediate family here, but I also have a lot of family here, cousins and and aunts and uncles, and and second cousins, and a very big extended Russian family that a lot of them are here. And so that's that was helpful as well, and it was good. And I have friends from you know childhood that are here, not that see much of them, but my cousin that would always keep me up to date on you, of course, he was here as well. So it was absolutely the right decision, but it wasn't one I was excited to make at the time.

Speaker 3 21:08

Yeah.

Speaker 21:09

But that's also okay. I mean, like I I think an important part about a relationship is that like people talk about e everything being equal. It's gotta be equal, it's gotta be 50-50. And it's that's just that's horseshit.

Speaker 3 21:23

Yeah.

Speaker 21:24

Yes, there's balance over time, but not everything is gonna be 50-50. Not everything is gonna be exactly spit down the middle, not every day is gonna be.

Speaker 3 21:32

Yeah.

Speaker 21:32

And that was the right decision for our family, and it was an adjustment I had to make mindset-wise and everything, but it was the right decision. And if I had stood too firm on it needing to be exactly what I need a hundred percent or even half, we wouldn't be here. No. And and who knows what what what our life would look like.

Speaker 4 21:53

So yeah, we've come a long way since then. It has a lot of things. Like I know food was a big thing for you, like there. you know, like there just wasn't the options we have today here in Calgary. Yeah.

Speaker 22:04

Yeah.

Speaker 4 22:04

There's a lot more to do and experience here than there was then, I think. Like we're a lot more there's a lot more diversity here.

Speaker 22:11

Yes. Yeah, exactly. And so and like I because that was one of the things I was looking at was maybe starting a restaurant or or looking into to doing something in that format. And I just a number of things. One, I didn't think Calgary was the right space at that time for the thing that I would like to do. But more importantly it was have a family or have a restaurant. I I I could not do both well for the person that I am with the brain that I have with where I was in that mental health space and journey but also the commitment that I wanted to make to you and to whatever kids we had.

Speaker 3 22:46

Yeah.

Speaker 22:46

So that was a big that was where a bit of a career adjustment happened.

Speaker 4 22:51

And Aiden was not an easy baby.

Speaker 22:53

No. That would have been oh that would have been awful.

Speaker 4 22:56

I mean he didn't sleep Aiden did not sleep more than a couple hours for 18 months yeah like he he was very challenging baby. And thank God we were both there to like trade off.

Speaker 23:10

Yeah I mean you're like you're not exaggerating at all like two hours of sleep at a time for 18 months. I remember the first time he slept through the night was at our my cousin's wedding in Toronto and it was crib terrible little crib and it was like six hours. It wasn't like sleeping through the night for us six hours. And we like woke up in a panic running into the room because we were worried something breathing yeah and and then we were like okay great he's made it through the night that's going to turn the corner now we're going to get some sleep no it was another six months.

Speaker 3 23:37

Yeah.

Speaker 23:38

So yeah that's a that's a big part of it.

The Passion Question That Changed Everything

Speaker 23:41

But also career wise entrepreneur wise that's when we were sitting around we were camping and you know sitting around the fire and having a conversation and you asked me like you know if you could just wipe this slight clean you could do anything you want in the world what would you do? And that's where the music conversation came up. And that's a really important thing as a partner that you were putting that forward to me. You were the one that pushed me to to pursue this. Yeah. You're the one that saw that thing in me. So that sort of support as a partner is is so important the most important that you have somebody that is pushing you to succeed supporting what you sometimes won't even see in yourself. Excuse me supporting sometimes that which you don't even see in yourself and to just have an open conversation like what is it that you want? What is it that you if you had no that pie in the sky dream of just clear it all because life is a thing that you make decisions based on okay I would like to do this but yeah this looks great but there's always a but and it's important that you weigh those things in but to have a partner that sits down with you and goes just take the butts out for a minute and then what? Then what? And what does it look like? And and from there you actually found the school.

Speaker 4 25:01

Yeah. Well this all stems from like if you're gonna go into this self-employed journey and this entrepreneurship journey like you you have to have passion for what you're doing. You absolutely have to because it is hard enough without it like you you have to have that part of it. And you know I think that we can intellectual like talk ourselves out of that we can get too much in our brains and not thinking about what we're passionate about and we can talk ourselves out of these things. That was just like a very relaxed conversation that really stuck with you.

Speaker 3 25:34

Yeah.

Speaker 4 25:34

But it's kind of the same conversations you know we are having like with our kids like what do you guys want to be doing? And it can change of course but just because you're an adult doesn't mean it's too late to have those conversations. Yes. And I think we grew up and go, well, you know, we can't have dreams anymore we're all in the grind of the day-to-day life and you get stuck in life and how it goes by. But if you're gonna make the jump and you're gonna be self-employed and you're gonna be an entrepreneur, fine you need to find that thing.

Speaker 26:00

Absolutely and now from the other side you know whatever it is 15 years later now, when people come to us with concepts and ideas and business ideas, those are conversations we can now turn around and put back right yeah it's that same concept like why are you doing it? And then that went right into from there you found a school for music engineering and producing um so I can learn the technical side of it. I've been playing instruments since I was a kid four and so you found this school us back into a different type of education but education all the same. And while I was in school we also started doing infills and and and doing complete you know tearing down building from scratch duplexes with your dad and a third partner partner Mario. So I was doing that while I was also going to school while we had a young child and a child that didn't sleep. A child that didn't sleep so we're doing all that at the same time and building my real estate you were building your real estate career and really hustling with that and then and I came home one day from school and basically was like well I'm gonna start a record label found an artist.

Speaker 4 27:06

Yeah we're gonna do this actually before we even had Aiden yeah yeah so we moved had Aiden started a record label all within about six months. Yeah it was very it was very close together.

Speaker 27:19

Very close.

Why The Entrepreneur Path Is Not Linear

Speaker 27:20

And that's that's part one I think that's a good spot to tie that that little uh story off in a bow. And it's I think it's a good one because from there that's where a number of other decisions intentional otherwise started to expand really how we were as an R, as a married couple supporting our individual entrepreneur challenges, but then also those entrepreneur decisions together.

Speaker 4 27:50

Well and it's kind of interesting to look back and we'll explore this further if like obviously where our businesses and lives are in today is very different than what they were then. But if we wouldn't have taken those first steps, all these other doors would not have opened like there's so many doors and opportunities that came as a result of those initial decisions that we were making at the time which is what's so exciting about this journey in entrepreneurship is you have no idea what you know saying yes to something could mean later down the road.

Speaker 28:16

Absolutely it's not linear. It's never linear and that's that's part of the fun. That's part of what makes it interesting is that you can have an idea of where you want it to go but how it gets there is is never going to be just a straight line. So we'll pick up there next time and looking forward to talking about it further.

Speaker 2 28:36

Yeah thanks for tuning in beauty sampi from the ground never backing down never bound two hearts one vision we stay true in the big of it and the fifth of it