Kate Forman Loves Reality TV

Welcome back to the podcast! This week Salem sat down with her good pal and former English teacher and rugby coach Kate Forman! They discuss queerness, family, playing rugby, hitting the town, never sending spicy photos and more! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

But like in the real world, it's a different I navigate the real world differently.

SPEAKER_02 0:05

I think that's all because of the life path you chose, which was heterosexual. Only platform I'm on is these heels, D.Va.

SPEAKER_01 0:17

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

I told you I know nothing about only platforms I'm walking in is these demonias. Do you know what that means?

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Like, I want to be cool, but you gotta set me up to be cool.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

You know, we do have like a generation gap, so you have to remember that as well. I you know that like I don't want to be old, but unfortunately I was thinking about this the other day. Time to chicken.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

Yeah, it you know, it do, and it it do be chugging along.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Yeah, and I'm I'm on the back end of it. Yeah, you're on the front end still.

SPEAKER_02 0:51

Am I?

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Is there no middle end?

SPEAKER_01 0:55

No, I feel like it's it's just like middle ground and then you're on the other side. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Your knees are really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Like you wake up one day and you realize you're you've just aged. Yeah, you're like, oh, none of this works the same. Yeah. And I can't relate to people the same. And anyone I talk to that's younger than like 30 feels like a stranger.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

That is true. Sometimes we'll have the most beautiful, like long conversation about like really deep things, and then I'll make a joke, and you have you look at me like I just spoke fucking Chinese. Yes. And it's it's really deep, like hurtful, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Yeah, well, you just you realize very quickly how out of it you are. Yeah. And you can't get back in. No. There's no like there's no door in reverse.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:40

I can't I can never be cool again. I wasn't really cool to begin with, but I can't ever be. I can't ever like it.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

I think that's not true. I've talked to you. I've talked to you about this before that I think you were you were the cool teacher. You have hand tattoos.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Correct, but that doesn't mean I was like being a cool teacher though is like is that cool? Is that cool?

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Like, is that yeah, because you were an English teacher too.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Because also, like, most teachers are the most uncool.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Like, there's entire sweater lines divide, you know, like just for teachers.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

They have coal sales for this type of occasion.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Like, think of the people that we that I worked with, and how they would show up seasonally with different sweaters. So, like, comparatively, like, how cool was I?

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Really, really? Like I said, you have yeah, in in comparison?

SPEAKER_01 2:28

I was killing it.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

Yeah. Yeah, but like we were inviting you to see your trip.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Yeah. But like in the real world, it's a different I navigate the real world differently.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

I think that's all because of the life path you chose, which was heterosexual.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

I love how we're like five minutes deep and you're just like, we're let's sit at home. Listen, let's just take it, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:50

I I think everyone, first of all, welcome to the show. We're going. We're in.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

I kind of figured we were.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Yeah, I don't have a cute little intro.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

I used to have a maybe we'll write you one. Maybe we'll get you one at some point.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

I used to, and now I realized I don't like it.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

What was it?

SPEAKER_02 3:04

What every every show I would start and I would go, hi Bubs, welcome back to the podcast or some shit like that. Um but I I tried to hit it every time, and I realized that when I well, it's fun when you're by yourself in your room like a fucking freak, but like I realize when I'm with guests and we're mid-conversation, and then I have to go, hey, shut the fuck up for a minute. Hey everyone, welcome back. And like I have to re-announce that we're doing the show, and I I think everyone watching is like, yeah, we figured it out.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Yeah, we're already.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

I didn't realize I was watching your podcast, and then you said welcome back, and I was like, Holy shit. Oh my god, I thought I ran into you at the bar. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Yeah.

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So I just like to start going. I feel like that's the that's easier.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Um, more natural.

SPEAKER_02 3:42

The first thing I needed to need to ask you right this moment, right this second, it goes along with what I was about to say, which is that, like, for those who don't know, uh, you were my former English teacher, first time English teacher, long time hater, mean. I didn't like your English class. I'm gonna be so full with you. Not because you're a bad teacher, but because I was a bad student and you made me do work, and I didn't like that. I didn't fuck with that vision that you had. Like you're yeah, I have that vision for every student. Yeah, your expectations of me were sort of like you're here to do English in English class. And I was like, you're really fucking harshing my browns right now. Like I didn't really vibe with that.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

I thought you were- You I think you were hoping for more of the like, can I just fill out a couple of worksheets and like maybe get some points? Yeah, well, and then like we'll just pass along.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

We'll just Yeah, well, I came in and you had, you know, you had you had like a tattoo of a kraken, you had the grippers out, and you're you're like walking around talking about like true, you know, like dragons, and like I was like, She's definitely at least a little gay, so like she's probably cool. And then you were like, uh, so the packets do Monday, and I was like, What the fuck is this bitch talking about? Monday.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Yeah, lots of things were due Mondays, yeah, and Tuesdays and Wednesdays and Thursdays and Fridays. Yeah, yeah. Um, so I I think a lot of students have that reaction though. Yeah. Where they're like, Oh, she's gonna be alright. I won't hate this class, and then and then I hit them with these crazy things called expectations and accountability.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yeah, we also you also had students that were like good at doing that shit. Yeah, and I didn't like that either because I was like, who the fuck are they?

SPEAKER_01 5:18

You're like, I'm not sure. I don't know how I landed here, but I'm in this fucking classroom and I don't want to be here.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

So I'm calling her out on her bullshit, and you're you're just gonna live at it like a fucking sheep.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

But I also think like high school was just not the box for you.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

No, I'm a bit of a revolutionary, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

No, for sure. Yeah, and then even out on the rugby pitch, it was a different that was a different side of you. Then you got really funny. You shut down in class. I did, because I again you were just like angry and bitter, yeah, couldn't believe you were there, and then we got you on the pitch, and then you were like, Well, I'm still angry and bitter. Yeah, but now I'm funny, but now we can use that, yeah. That's to our advantage, but then it was still like a battle of like, can you play the game? And you're like, I mean, I don't know. I don't yeah, I and I was like, You're the 15th person. Yeah, you have to play, yeah. And then you'd go out and get Man of the Manch. Yeah, and you know every game.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

I I think if we had found a way to make me like English, maybe I would have had that same response because I think I've just learned as an adult.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

But you like stories and reading and talking and analyzing like you like English. Yeah, when they're good, you don't like class.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

No, I don't like being told what to do. Yeah, yeah. You have a real affront to authority. I have an authority problem. A hundred percent of learned also in rugby. I kind of just don't like being told what to do.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Ever. Not even by the ref.

SPEAKER_02 6:38

No, the ref short. Who the fuck is that guy?

SPEAKER_01 6:41

You're like, listen, sir.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

I'm sorry, if you were good enough, you'd be in the game. Last time I checked. They weren't talking about. Guy's gonna come out here in the uniform we wear.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah. But just somebody somebody's gotta ref the game. We need that person.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

I think there's only one person who can ref me. That's the man upstairs.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Lies.

SPEAKER_02 7:03

Yeah, but yeah, you were my English teacher, then you were my rugby coach. I was much more fond of you then.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

Opened up a lot more. I should have I say this all the time. I should have played for you my junior year, but I got I got so caught up in like I have to play for my team. My my brothers are out there, and then I fucking we got a new head coach and I was not having fun.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

But that's kind of I mean, isn't that sport? Like you get committed to a team and like that's who you belong to. Yeah, but then there's a culture to that, and you don't just dip out of that. Like I respected the fact that you played for your team.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

Yeah, I didn't respect that. We had a coach who liked to tell me what to do like a lot though. And like not in a cool way. Obviously, you're my coach, you gotta tell me what to do in terms of how to play. But like he got mad at me for not showing up for morning run for a school I didn't go to. Like, what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_01 7:48

But I also think you liked the freedom that you could have on our team because it was such chaos.

SPEAKER_02 7:53

Well, also essentially being you were like, Yeah, I was 17 years old and I was the forwards coach.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Like, I was like, you can just take them, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:00

Yeah, I was like, I'll handle it.

SPEAKER_01 8:02

You know just as much as anybody standing here.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Yeah. Well, you're also the none of them knew anything. You're also the only. I think I respected you because you were the only person who looked at a fat kid and was like, you can play scrum half if you prove it to me. And I was like, I will.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

And did I ever get to? No, I was too good at other positions. Correct. But I could have.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

No, you could have played Scrum Half for sure.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Yeah, see.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

But we really needed you guys.

SPEAKER_02 8:24

I could have been the Rothless Burger of River City High School.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

I think we want to name Rothless Burger as well. Do we not? No.

SPEAKER_02 8:30

Oh, is he problem?

SPEAKER_01 8:32

The rapist? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:33

Oh, well, I wouldn't have done that part, but I was thinking I know that, but I was thinking more so like being fat and throwing the ball.

SPEAKER_01 8:40

That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 8:41

Sort of the we'll give another one. I would have been the Jamarcus Russell of anything other than the rapist burger.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Like that's not who we want to be.

SPEAKER_02 8:51

Yeah, oh, they should have put that on his jersey.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

I think that was like his nickname online.

SPEAKER_02 8:55

That's yeah, they love doing that, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Yeah, they really do. It's their favorite thing.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Well, they deserve it. But yeah, this was all brings me to my point, which is that now we're actually friends.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

I think people assume we would just have the dynamic of like, yeah, we went to school, like you were my teacher, and then I see you at the grocery store. Sometimes they say hi, but like you're genuinely one of my friends.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

It's just strange. Um, not strange to me, but I'm sure people think it's strange.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

I guess, but there comes a point where like you the dynamic of teacher student really just dissolves.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

I'm a fucking grown-up, first of all.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Yeah. And then like we actually have things in common, I think, ideologically, and like we just see the world in a lot of the same ways. We're both play women. Bisexual women.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Yeah. Woman. Of color.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Of color.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

I'm brown, you're blonde. It's like, you know, there's colors in there.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

There's colors in there. Yeah. I don't know that I would identify as a woman of color. Is that not what that means? In any context.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

I thought that means when you have colored hair.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

No. I know. Bummer.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

I've been bringing the wrong people to those barbecues. But yeah, uh one day I'll get to my point, which is today on this day right now.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

I mean, feel free.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

Um, I've been calling you coach for so long, even though you coached me one one year for six months. Like for a few months. Yeah, I was gonna say, not even a full year. It was just like a few months. But the other day I was thinking about which I need to ask you this. I guess I could ask you this now. Fuck it. You're live. You could see behind the scenes of thanks for stopping by. It's real fourth wall breaking here. Uh in the thumbnail, I was like, Do you want to be called Catherine or Kate? Like Kate Foreman or Catherine Foreman for your gig because you don't have a gimmick name, you're just fucking someone like that.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

I just am who yeah, exactly. Yeah, I don't have like a cool nickname.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:38

Um most people call me Kate.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Okay. Do you are you a K or a C? I know you're Catherine's a C.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

I'm Catherine with a C and I'm Kate with a K.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Kate with a K. Okay, I thought so. Yeah. Fuck is that about? Okay, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

So my great aunt, that's who I'm named after. Yeah. Was Catherine with a C and Kate with a K. Gotcha. And so when my mom named me after her, because we just recycle names in our family, she did the same thing. Yeah. And I don't have a justification for it. Okay. That's just how my great aunt was named by obviously her mom. And then here we are. Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

That's the whole story.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Yeah. I was gonna say I was looking more for like a logistical reason, but I guess that's it.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

There's none of that, and it has caused wild confusion.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Because I sign Catherine. When I sign like documents, I go with C, but I never am called Catherine.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Unless I'm in trouble.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Like growing up my mother. Catherine.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Catherine.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

Um but that yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Mine just called me slurs.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

I'm just kidding, he didn't do that. Well I would question mark. But yeah, I was and then I thought about that, and then I was like, I don't feel like I've ever called you Kate. And I feel like it would be strange if I did.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

And you can if you want, but that's that's on you. That's your comfortable.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

But I also I feel like, and I've seen your other friend, like you have other teachers at the very least, who I know are your actual close personal friends, just call you Foreman.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Yes, most people do.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

Yeah, and I'm sure that's mostly like a school thing, but like there's also, again, in a similar vein, high school kids I played football with who I knew for two years, who I still call them by their last name. I'll never I think the only person who's ever broken that cycle was Eric. Oh you know, I called him Maxwell for I think a decade. I would yeah, and then one day when we started hanging out outside of sports, everyone else called him Eric, and I was like, who the fuck is this guy?

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Who yeah, I yeah. I called him Eric, but I am in class.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

So I'm not gonna like pick on one kid and be like, oh, I'm gonna call you by your last name.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Your last name, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

I did give some kids nicknames because I couldn't remember their first name, and then something happened, and I was like, oh well, like one kid's G Money.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Yeah, I remember G Money.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Yeah, I'll never forget G Money. Yeah, Johnny Utah is still Johnny Utah. Mine was really that's not that's a character's name from point break.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

And his name is Jason. Yeah, we had a we had a couple of I still talked to him, but like he's Johnny Utah.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Yeah, we had a couple unfortunate nicknames for some kids that I won't repeat. Yeah, we'll leave that. Nothing slurs or anything, but just like, was there a kid we called Columbine? Was that unfortunate? Yeah. Would I Yes?

SPEAKER_01 13:12

That's too real.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

It's it is too real.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

I watched that happen on TV. Yeah, it is too real.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

But hey, don't look like that then. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 13:21

I mean, I guess. But I bet you could come up with like a weird nickname for me, and I gotta be like, well, this is what I look like.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Yeah, that's true. Well, usually I just call you a lesbian.

SPEAKER_01 13:32

That was my nickname around campus. You know, you know the lesbian. The lesbian. The lesbian.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Yeah. She's floating around.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

I didn't even get a like a bisexual. I didn't even get like, oh, the bi lady, the something. No, just okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

I think no, I think I told I'm not a I'm not uh proud of this fact, but I think I became too comfortable with you too fact too fast because one time you drove us to a rugby game, it was me and Eric. Yeah, and I think you got off the phone with your husband, and at like 17 years old, I was like, hey Foreman, I hope this doesn't come off wrong, but the energy gives me that you peg your husband. And I definitely shouldn't have said shit like that. Like, I'm sure there's like a medical term for why I did that.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

That's definitely a diagnosis.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Yeah, they sort of they sort of missed that one.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

I think I remember that now that you bring it up.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

Yeah, it was so funny. Yeah, but I was on behavior charts in school, so we should have seen that one coming.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Probably.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

I think I laughed though.

SPEAKER_01 14:26

It's funny, like it's funny too funny, and I don't think I was offended by it. No, no, well, it's hard to do that. But that's also not like how the relationship actually is. Right. So I can't take it too seriously.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

It's not how the relationship actually is what you will, say what you will. No, it it is heartbreaking every day to me that you have a husband.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

But I don't think it's heartbreaking to anyone else.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

Yeah, well, it's because no one's on the wavelength I am. I think it's listen, I've met your husband several times. I love him. He's a sweetie pie. I'm so happy. I think you have a beautiful family. You have two beautiful children, they're both so nice and funny, just like you. But like if I could take all that away just for you to go on one date with a woman.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

But I dated women.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

That's great. But like we're here talking about the now.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

So if I could have a date with a woman now, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Yeah. Yeah, I think it'd be fun.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

It probably would.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

And I think my audience would agree with me.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

I I think it would be a great time.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

You you are yeah, you are married, unfortunately. It's one of those ones, you know. You you you truly live the life. Like the community lost a good one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Uh, is that what we're feeling? Like we're mourning the loss of me.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Badlands would have been crazy. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

But see, I've been there. We've been there.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

Yeah. Yeah. Great. Hold on.

unknown 15:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

We've been at Badlands together. No, no, no, no. Okay. Me and James. Okay. I thought you were just thinking about us. No. Sorry, I thought this was podcast about us. I didn't know you were to bring it about I didn't know you were gonna bring your fucking husband into it.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

You brought him into it. Bitch, you brought him up. But like he and I have gone, I've gone to Badlands. It's great. I had a great time.

SPEAKER_02 16:07

Yeah, but were you picking up hot lesbians? I was not. See. This is where the dynamic starts to shift with.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Well, listen, if he ever leaves me, first thing I'll do is call you. Let's call you and go. We're going to K Street. Yeah. Let's hit it.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

Oh my god. I would love to go with you around the Gaborhood. Let's go. It'd be so fun. I would still I would still go with you to the Gabriel Hood, even though you're a married monogamist. Which is yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah. And I just it like I'd sort of have to treat you like I I feel like I'd bring you around and I'd just have to try kind of treat you like a bad pet. You know? Like we walk in and everyone would immediately perk up and I'd be like, I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

Like just Was it you that I sent the thing to the reel that was like I think bisexual tendency thing? No, but it was there was one that I saw a few weeks ago that made me die laughing, where it was like being bisexual feels like you're the straightest person in a gay space, but the gayest person in a straight space.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

It's really true.

SPEAKER_01 17:01

It's a hundred percent true.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Yeah. Well, especially when people, unlike myself, I would never do this, are constantly trying to erase your community.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

That is, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

It's true. I don't want to erase your community, I just want to devalue you as a bisexual because I I view a different life path for you.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

I know I feel like you have a real vision for what my life could be. Well, you're not the only one that has told me that. Like I have students who just like two weeks ago were like, oh, we were sure you were a lesbian. Yeah. And I was like, I I know, I understand the vibe that I give off.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Yeah. It's not, listen, before I for well, first of all, you ran the the Gay Strait Alliance. Or what the fuck were you? The GSA. What did the GSA? Okay, yeah. I don't know, hang out with those people, but those people those are your people. I know. I'm trying on being.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

You can talk about them as like those people. Those people. Yeah, those free people. You're you're those people.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

No, yeah. That's the bit though. You know what I mean? Sure. Like, are you welcoming to it? No, yeah, you ran that. I did. And then again, you just like you don't wear shoes, but I think that's just because you played rugby and you're a free spirit. And then you had a lot of tattoos. I think the tattoos are a huge part of it.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Is it?

SPEAKER_02 18:11

You have hand tattoos. Like you have full arm sleeve tattoos.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

I'm actually a fan. I have less tattoos than you.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

But like they're great.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

I got a new one. Did you see it? No. Oh. Oh shit. This is like the worst shirt for it. I got a new one.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

Oh, I love. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 18:27

It fucking hurts so bad.

unknown 18:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

I don't have to.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

The arm's not bad though. Of all the places to get tattoos. No, it was just the arm is not the worst one.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

It was just a lot of detailing. Yeah. But I mean, and it's not complete either. It's gonna go. I have three more sessions. It's gonna go all the way. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Are you gonna stick with the like black and gray vibe?

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Yeah, I have. I got the Junji Ida or the that's the Junji Ita one. I got the Kingdom Hearts one when I the day I turned 18.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

You just keep talking words.

SPEAKER_02 18:54

It's a video game. You've never heard of Kingdom Hearts. No. Excuse me. No. Aren't you a Disney lady?

SPEAKER_01 19:00

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

Oh, I thought your family was. Okay. I've been to your house. I've been to your house.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Listen, we went for my daughter's 21st because she wanted to go to Star Wars and she wanted to go to Harry Potter. Yeah. So guess what I did? That's that was her 21st. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

That's fair.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Drove our asses all the way there. We went to Disney and we just like circulated and we did the whole Star Wars thing. One of the fucking rides was broken, so we stood in line for an hour and got hill.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

And then we went to Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

But your daughters aren't Disney girls either.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

That's so weird.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Like they love Mulan. That's their favorite movie.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

But they're not like Disneyland every summer. No. Absolutely not. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

We didn't get like ears. We don't do any of it. No, we don't. No, we're not Disney people.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

I think your family doesn't like to conform.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_02 19:45

And I love that kind of.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

See, I think we look very um You're bordering on nuclear families. No, we like, yeah. Yeah. Like we, I don't know, we're all, I mean, we're white as white could be.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

You know, mom and dad still together. Yeah. Imagine that.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

Imagine that.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Two kids grown.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Two kids grown. Doing things. Both both also white as this ever been.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

Yeah. So there's all of that. We live in the suburbs.

SPEAKER_02 20:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Right?

SPEAKER_02 20:14

So there's nothing like gravel in your front, like you have like rocks and plants in your front yard. It's not just like dead grass. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

I'm an educator.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

Yeah. You have a tiki bar.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

We do.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Can we talk about that?

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Relatively.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Yeah. You have a detached garage. Correct. I'm just gonna dox you slowly throughout the episode. Yeah, and you live on 445 Park Avenue. 112. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I think I think everything about your family.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

I think we look very conservative and traditional from the outside. And I think if you looked at our family, you'd be like, oh, I don't know about them.

SPEAKER_02 20:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

Some days I But internally we operate very differently.

SPEAKER_02 20:51

Yeah. Some days I do fear that you're gonna invite me over for a drink and I'm gonna show up and you're gonna have like a checkered dress on and an apron. And be like, oh fuck. No, it's happening.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Oh, she converted. It's happened. She's turned. No.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

I don't know though.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

No, I get weirder as I get older.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

That's true. And it's so beautiful. I love it. It's it's a fantastic process. I'm also getting that way. I'm also just my body hurts. I told you, I told you today I fell down today. That was a rough experience. Did I tell you that when you got here? Oh, dude, I fucking ate it so much.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

I asked you what was wrong, and you were just like, it's been a day. Oh, well, but then like I didn't hear you fell.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Bright and early, 6 a.m. I got to work at my job.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Right. And I fucking was there work at a at a non-job?

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Well, there's the grind, obviously. And baby, we're working over. At my job. Well, some of these people in the fucking audience have never heard of a job, so well, they should get one. Yeah. Flash a job application on the screen. Uh yeah, I got to work and I was wearing Crocs because again, I'm a little fucking freak. And I I'm adopting the no shoes at work vibe. It's kind of beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

It's great. Because you've It's like you get settled in.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

And your work becomes your second home. Yeah. And then I think that's also part of it for me. It was like I needed to be comfortable. And we were like doing stuff. And I was up and I was walking around and I wanted to be comfortable.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Yeah. Well, and you've been in my office, so it basically is a second home. It's exactly like my home. And and also, uh I'm also a practicing bisexual who um I can't sit in chairs right. So it's a lot easier to sit crazy uh when you don't have shoes on. That is true. Like I like to sit crisscross on my computer chair. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Crisscross applesauce? Yeah. On your computer chair.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

It's gorgeous. Listen, it's kind of that sounds awful. It's weirdly appropriate.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

I couldn't do that right here.

SPEAKER_02 22:39

That's true, but you don't have the gender dysphoria I do. Okay. You know what I mean? Fair. When I get when people when people get to come into my office and I'm sitting crisscrossed with a little drink like this, that's the closest I'll ever be to being the white woman I should have been.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

That sounds adorable.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

God curse me with it.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

I can picture it.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

Yeah, see?

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:56

Can you picture okay? But now Magic picture me in high school.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

I also don't think you would I know. I feel like I can though.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

Yeah, I was a little fucking freak, huh?

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Yeah. You were always freaky.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Always.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

It's true.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

But it's also part of why I was like, oh, I like I like like you. Yeah. Cause then, like, when you would start talking and sharing, I was like, oh, like, yeah, you have so many thoughts about things.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

I really do. It's a curse sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

No, it's great.

SPEAKER_02 23:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

But I don't think most people knew that about you.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

No. At all. Yeah. I was really cool.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

You were also like a legacy kid.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

At the school.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Yeah, I was a Neppo baby.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

Yeah. So like that, I think that was also a hard identifier to shake.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

Yeah, everyone knew my whole family, basically.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

So and your brothers are also like hyper masculine.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

Yeah. I mean a really look at him now.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Look at him now. He was the same as you in class. He hated it. Yeah. But he's like this bitch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

But he never got the funny part.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

No.

SPEAKER_02 23:54

Sorry. No, you're one rope up on me.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Yeah. You got all the funny.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Yeah. It's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

It's really talked about girls all the time.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

I mean, I do that shit too, but but in a different way. Yeah, but in a different way. Almost like a maniac though.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Aren't we all? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Oh, it's really.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

But I feel like that's why we get along. Like internally, we're maniacs.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

Our our desire to look at boobs all day. See, you you're playing games now.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

I'm not playing. You're leaving little admit that to anybody anytime. That's not like I don't walk around with like some secret veil. I just but I'm also not gonna go to work and be like, oh, by the way, I'm married, but I let me just like drop the info. But like but I'm also bisexual and I've dated women previously.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Yeah. I think you should start. I think that should be on the syllabus.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Get to know your teachers. By the way, guys, just to go to Canva and we can like design a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

We're doing in cold blood.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

We're doing uh the crucible.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

I'm half a f I you can't say why not?

SPEAKER_02 25:02

That's oh yeah, no, I forgot. This isn't listen. Oh my god, I forgot you haven't been around. It's back.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

It's not back.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

We're allowed to say it now.

unknown 25:13

Mmm.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

I've been well. Maybe you can say it. I I certainly can.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

You go right ahead.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

There's rumblings about the bisexual community and their ability to say it. I'm not one to speak on it.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

I'm gonna say no.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

They crossed all the boxes when they made me.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

I'm just gonna pass on that.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

They said let's let's hit the oppression Olympics. And they cr they said yes to all.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

And then they just crushed it right here. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

They said all on top of that, plus you're into dumbbells.

SPEAKER_01 25:39

Yeah, but you're like wildly successful. You also gotta like live in that space too. If you're gonna like if you're gonna like accept all the hard parts, you then you have to accept all the good parts too.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Yeah, no, and I do. I'm certainly living it. I just buy so much stuff.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

You buy it. That's my treat.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Yeah, you're against it though.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

It's I just it feels um I'm overwhelmed by it. Like it feels I would I don't even put my attention.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I like when people I like when people come in my house and immediately know every interest I've ever had.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Yeah, it helps me with a lot of conversational threats.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

Conversational threats.

SPEAKER_02 26:18

Yeah, like you don't now have to ask me, do I like Wallace and Gromit? I do. You can see that. We can skip that part. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 26:25

We can get to the good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 26:27

Yeah. Interesting. I don't have time. Yeah. I two sessions. Yeah. You do. Do you have like a Michigan football or some shit? Yeah. Yeah. And that's all you care about. Yours, your online pres committed. Your online presence is so funny to me because I will just watch this woman fight for my rights for for 10 Instagram stories and then be be by the way, Michigan was up by seven.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

I think I did it yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

It's so fucking funny. It's just like trans people are valid and real, and their rights will not be taken away. By the way, playoffs, bitch. Like it's so funny.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

By the way, we're in the final four. Yeah. Game is on Saturday at five. I respect her. Everyone, go watch.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:09

Yeah. I have a student who's gonna go to Michigan next year. She came back from her visit, she brought me a sweatshirt. Like it's serious in my world.

SPEAKER_02 27:15

You're living it. I it's deep. And then you're everyone's deep. Bears fan?

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Why?

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Because we're from Chicago, bitch.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Are you? Yeah. Oh yeah, I forget. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and then you say Chicago and I go, oh, you're right. Yeah, that's true. You can't Chicago.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Yep. And the Cubs fan and Blackhawks and Bulls. And I grew up with the Bulls dynasty.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

So then where does Michigan come from?

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Oh, my dad played. No, my dad played football there.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Okay. I was like, listen, I don't want to tell my former teacher that I may not know where Michigan is. I was like, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

You're like doing geography in your head and you're like, those they're not the same. They don't match.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Michigan, Chicago.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Yeah.

unknown 27:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Or is it Chicago, Michigan? Yeah. Who's no?

SPEAKER_02 27:56

I can't say anything. I was a Utah Utes fan at one point. Yeah. All right. My dad, I have a tendency when I don't care about sports too much to when people ask me who my favorite team is. If I'm either looking directly at a team, I'll go, that one. And that's what happened with the Utah Utes. I went fucking them right there.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Isn't Santa Cruz the banana slugs?

SPEAKER_02 28:15

That's a great question.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

So you could you could be a fan of the banana slugs.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

I could be a fan of banana. And you know what? I am. I've decided today.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Right now.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

I'm the number one.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

This is what we're doing. Number one fan, get me a t-shirt.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

You know what? No, I need to talk. I need to talk my shit. Let me talk my shit for a moment. I, as a bit, okay. The other thing I would do is if someone asked me who my favorite team Because I care care about football, aka when it's on directly in front of me, I'm having a blast. The moment like if the Raiders are losing, which high chance, yeah, uh I will be mad and be invested in the game the moment it ends. Like the moment the Peacock stream is over, so is my interest. I don't give there are people who fucking four days later like can't believe the fucking Raiders lost. I can, and I'm done with it, right? It's not on anymore. So, like, that's my relationship with football. Other sports couldn't be fucked, could not care. Like baseball, cool.

SPEAKER_01 29:11

You know what I mean? I I really love baseball. I think it's so interesting to watch. There's so there's like such strategy.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Play. Oh, yeah, I've lost you already. It's 14 seconds. Can you see my eyes? Yeah, you went, yeah.

unknown 29:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Got it. Like, I just think that's so true.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Baseball's great.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

I think going through hockey's fun.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:36

But am I seeking it out?

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Michigan's in the in the frozen fort.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Here we are again, baby.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

The women's basketball team is in the Elite Eight. Like, this is really serious.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

And you know, I didn't It'll be on my story soon. Yeah. I didn't. I think we're gonna do an episode from the playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Oh, we should.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Could you imagine? Oh my god, that'd be so fun. It would be unlistenable.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

But we'd have to get you in gear. We'd have to put you in merch.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

I think I'm just gonna be in the game. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. I think it'd be fun.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Yeah, it would.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

Um baseball. I went to one baseball game at the at the A's for the Ace. Okay. Eric took me, and it was fun. You know? Yeah. But it did I care about the baseball part of it? No. No.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

I like I care about baseball part.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

They're standing around a lot.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

But it matters. And every pitch is a different sequence based on like who's batting and like who's on base and what inning it is and who's pitching and are left, right? Like all of those things matter. With the pitch count, the pitch count will determine like the next call.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

Like it's this is what I don't fuck with about sports because not I'm not saying you, but like people who love baseball and are obsessed with it are the same people who'd make fun of me for playing video games. Bitch, you're playing an RPG. You just explained to me fucking menu navigation. If there's a batter on the second base and a batter on the first base and the clock strikes 12s at midnight, those would be fucking runners on the base dude.

SPEAKER_01 31:03

I don't even mean what the hell you're talking about. Walking around with their bats all day.

SPEAKER_02 31:06

Wouldn't that be so much more fun?

SPEAKER_01 31:08

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

I think you should have to legally have your bat with you at all times.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

At all times.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

And I think the catcher should have to have one too.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

No, not the catcher.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

You're in the outfill too, you can hit a quick fucking ding catch. That's when I would be invested.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Alright, well, we'll work on that version of it.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

Like the what's the fucking banana rama team? Savannah bananas.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

They're fun because they'll just do like Hamilton in the middle of it.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Yeah, that's great. That's not real. That's not real baseball.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

It's entertaining and it's great, and I want them to be successful because people love them. But that's not like the case.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

You're sort of invalidating their profession. I think that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

So I'll invalidate you.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

First Savannah. I was gonna say, look, she completed it for me. I was gonna do a joke. First, you're invalidating baseball. Next thing you know, you're invalidating people's ideas.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

I don't want to invalidate my whole life. You want to unravel.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

I don't want to invalidate it. I just want to bring it to where I want it to be. It's not about to be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

We tweak it. There's just a couple. I appreciate that. Yeah. And it's nice to think that if anything were to ever happen, which it's not going to, but if anything were to ever happen, I have a community I could go to.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

Yeah. I just I think what it is too is recently I learned about late-in-life lesbians. And I'm really on that kit.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

They're everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Yeah, I need to get you to a concert.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

There's a concert in Long Beach, and apparently all of them. When you come back, they put something there. Is it like the Lilith Fair for the Lil's the Late in Life? Sure sounds like it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Yeah. Do you know what Lilith Fair is? No, I don't. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

I think this was my generation.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Because your face went. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think you need to talk about baseball again. Sarah McLaughlin started an all-female tour called Lilith Fair. It might be that I've heard about. Yeah. It was like all the lesbians went.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Yeah. Yeah. It might be it.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

When you went, it was just girl on girl on girl fun. It was great.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

And doesn't that sound so heavenly?

SPEAKER_01 33:03

It was. It was great. I went. I had a really good night.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

They missed you. You didn't order them a Dory Sour. That's good stuff. Oh, they would have had you. Yeah, baseball. Circling back. Someone in eighth grade asked me who my favorite baseball team was. And I went, I don't give a fuck. So I said, who's the worst team currently? And he said, the Houston Astros. And I said, okay, that's my favorite team. And that was the bit for a very long time. And then, like my senior year of high school, they started doing really well. And all of a sudden, there's all these fucking Houston Astro fans with their vintage jerseys. And I'm like, I've been a day one. I've been a ride or die.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Eighth grade was day one.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

I came out the pussy loving the Houston Astros. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

I love that you call day one eighth grade. Yeah. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

I think that's when it all began for me.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

I don't know how people can't be sports fans. It confuses me. I I think But it's also like all I know.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Yeah. I think I can understand if people aren't interested. I think I start to check out when it's like like a sports ball type people. You know what I mean? Sports ball too. So like the type of people who like will be like like forced to watch a game and they're like, oh yeah, we're sure like they're trying to mock you. I sure do love sports ball. Can't wait for them to kick some touchdowns. And it's like genuinely go in the bathroom and blow your shit clean off. I can't fucking have this kind of it's so insufferable to be that way.

SPEAKER_01 34:35

That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Yeah. I once I once got in an argument with a room full of actors, which was the most uncomfortable time of my life because I didn't know these people very well. I was just there to support a friend for their birthday. I feel like, and you got in a fight with all their Yeah, because these fucking people decided to start going on that type of tangent, and I was just like, oh my god. And then the draw for me was like, yeah, let's play the let's pay these people 40 million dollars a year to throw a ball, which isn't necessarily invalid. That is crazy. But I was like, aren't you all actors?

SPEAKER_01 35:05

Isn't it the same, same?

SPEAKER_02 35:06

You know who else gets paid a fuck ton of money to not really do that much? Actors. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Entertainers.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Did RDJ not make 65 million dollars last year for like a movie?

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Let's be it's all fucking ridiculous. It's entertainment, it's all the same shit. Like, yeah, yeah. It's just not the the front line of the people argument they thought it was. And I'm very combative, so I was not happy.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

You combative? No. Never, never seen it.

SPEAKER_02 35:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Yeah. I mean, that was a dumb argument for them to make.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

See, you're on my side.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

No, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 35:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

I don't know that I would have like gotten into an argument at my friend's party with people I didn't know about an argument that's dumb. But you know, we all choose our battles.

SPEAKER_02 35:56

It was more so like a room full of queer people. Okay. Most of them white. So immediately wrong. All right. So immediately wrong, right? Even if they're right, you're not. Like, you may have a point, but my point is You're wrong. Yeah. You're speaking down to a person of color right now. So whoa, first of all. Right? But they were wrong too, on top of that.

SPEAKER_01 36:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

So it was like you're white and wrong. We gotta figure this out.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

You know what I mean? Well, now I'm gonna take care of that.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

Yeah, we gotta handle that. We're gonna take you down enough. Yeah.

unknown 36:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

Remind you where why don't you check your privilege, Chief?

SPEAKER_01 36:31

I'm very curious as to how you ended up at a party with a whole bunch of white people who were actors.

SPEAKER_02 36:37

Like, where does that Well, you've had a conversation with me. So you know I draw in a very interesting crowd. Correct. I was kind of oh, I talked about this on the last episode with my friend. And uh I was kind of like I was popular in the way of like I wasn't like the cool like hot person everyone talked about. I was just friends with every group um because I didn't I like code switch very well.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Yeah. So it's kind of like I think that's how.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

And also, let's be honest, I should have been doing theater.

SPEAKER_01 37:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

Yeah. We all know that. Football was a waste of time for me.

SPEAKER_01 37:17

A little bit.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

But like But I think you're I think the circumstance surrounding all of that prevented any of that from happening.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

Yeah. It was I was just like, what will I talk about with my family if I don't play sports? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Because those motherfuckers do sports and that's it. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

And I was gonna be like, I have more interest.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Yeah, yeah. I was like, we're gonna be at Christmas, and like what am I supposed to be like? Hey dad, by the way, we played fucking Zip Zap Zop and class together.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

They wouldn't have known what to do with you then.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

They probably don't know what to do with you now.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

No fuck no, they have no idea what to do with me.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

And I and I mean that with kindness, but like I can understand, particularly like, I don't know, 15, yeah, being like, I I need to be able to go home and function.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

Yeah. It was scary.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

So I have to like find a way to function. And like I need Yeah, I need to fit somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 38:11

Well, and there was already this bubbling queerness I couldn't figure out. And then on top of all that, I was like, God forbid I stop playing sports. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

Oh, that would have been another level.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what it was like to oh my fucking god. I we sh listen, I don't I don't love the response of like when it I know it's always like mostly well intentioned.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

I don't necessarily love the response like when a queer kid comes out and they get hit with like the I've always known. I know people think that's very endearing, but it's sometimes it can feel a little like what what do you the fuck do you mean you've always known? Because you know nothing about queer people, so like what are they you know what I mean? So like okay, it can be good, it can be whatever. I don't love it. Like, I think you should just be like, Okay, I love you, except you, but like some people that's the only way they know how to voice that by just being like, I've always known and I don't care, and I think that's fine. Yeah, um that being said, we should have known for me, because one of the distinct memories I have as a young child, I had a VHS video camera that my father gave me, and I would make little short films all the time and like little skits and stuff. And one of the things I did was I had seen an episode of the Ellen de Generous show, and I said, bitch, let's fucking word that's me now. And I did about an eight-week run as Miss Ellen de Generous. Not like, oh, I have my own talk show as my name on the front, like I was Ellen, I was dancing over the fucking coffee table, and I was playing little games.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

So like and like to to go and and grab my father who you know and be like, by the way, dad, how does this make you feel? That's tough.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

Yeah, yeah, that's a dead getaway.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

It leaves you dead in your tracks, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Yeah, it really does.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:07

But then like how old were you?

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Probably like 10. Yeah. Like nine or ten. I also used to be I also pr used to pretend to be girl characters a lot. I remember after we saw the movie Coraline, I was playing Pretend with my cousins, and I was like, I really want to be Coraline. And at that point How did they respond? They were like, sure. Okay, they didn't care. We were playing Spanish restaurant or something. Yeah, you want to know what Spanish restaurant is? Yeah. This is get the notes app ready, folks. Get the Twitter call-outs ready. This is as problematic. Spanish restaurant was just a version of children playing restaurant restaurant, which is just like we sit at a table, one of them comes in. Can I take your order? Okay, here's a bunch of pretend food. Except it was just fucking all Spanish gibberish, because none of us actually spoke Spanish.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

Just pause for a minute.

SPEAKER_02 40:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

You didn't actually speak words.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

No. It was just like vaguely sounding Spanish gibberish.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Got it. You just you just like adopted an accent and then you were like, yeah, that's Spanish. That's Spanish. And now it's Spanish restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

It couldn't be a Spanish, because we're not in an American restaurant. We're not in a Chinese restaurant, we're a Spanish restaurant, okay? We're speaking fucking Spanish.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

That sounds like a strange game to play. But it's fine. But it's fine. But the dead giveaway would have been.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Was me being elegant for two months? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_01 41:32

For two months.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Yeah, it was a really long, it was a killer eight weeks of TV. The ratings were fucking skyrocketing. Oh no, I don't. Oh, if I did, there's not an classic. There's not an ounce of dysphoria that would stop me from posting that.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

I do not even care. I would be like, the world needs to see this. Sometimes I feel that way. Yeah. Sometimes I feel that way about my old dance tapes.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Do you still have them?

SPEAKER_02 41:54

I still do have those.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Oh wow. Do you ever watch them?

SPEAKER_02 41:56

Yes, I do. I oh, anytime I have a friend over who doesn't know enough about me, I go get ready, piss.

SPEAKER_01 42:01

Just wait.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

I'm sorry. Have you heard uh a friend like you from fucking the jungle book? Well, watch me hit this electro swing mix.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

I want to know what people's reaction to that is. It's usually pretty positive, I feel. No, like just have you shown it to anyone like back then and been like, hey, this is what I was going through, and like these were the signs.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

Oh yeah. Yeah, I've shown people all the time.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

And then what do they say?

SPEAKER_02 42:36

They're like, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Okay, we get it.

SPEAKER_02 42:40

They're like, no, yeah, for sure. Understood. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

10-4.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

It's they we're they're like, yeah, we can see why you're like this.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

I don't find it super surprising. It's I literally just did the thing you said not to do.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

Yeah. It's like new.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Not like always new. I just knew you were like who you were.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

And I don't know how to define that any other way. But I don't I don't think I had language for it. I don't think I did either.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

I mean, clearly. But like I think it just I didn't even yeah, I didn't have the language to think about it that way, but I also just think I'm such a just such a I don't want to this isn't gonna sound like I'm so fucking cool and epic, but like I'm just such a unique person in general. That is true. I think it's like whatever outcome you went is isn't surprising.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

I think that piece is also true, but I also think you masked a lot. Oh yeah. I mean, obviously, but like you were very good at it.

SPEAKER_02 43:34

Mask.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Calling me mask.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

Not that kind of mask, you jackass.

SPEAKER_02 43:40

You mask mask?

SPEAKER_01 43:42

You wore masks.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

I was but like out of necessity.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

I was a COVID pioneer. I was masking so much. It's a very bit heavy podcast. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

You just keep throwing them at me.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

Yeah, every once in a while. Oh my god, dude, yesterday's was fucking bonkers bananas. Why would you talk about yesterday?

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Anything we should revisit here?

SPEAKER_02 44:03

I don't think so. Because I think we talked about like seven animes, and I don't really think that's your yeah, you're not really gonna get into that one. There was just a lot of recurring bits. We pointed at camera one a lot. Love camera one.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Is there a camera two that I should be?

SPEAKER_02 44:17

That was sort of the joke.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

That was the joke?

SPEAKER_02 44:19

You want your close-up, we're gonna win camera one. By the way, you want the wide shot, we're checking it with camera one. Uh yeah, man. I'm fucking I'm just truly a pioneer, I think, of all things of life.

SPEAKER_01 44:33

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 44:34

Yeah. I think the moment I gotta stop saying shit like that in ways that sound earnest. Because I'm fucking around. I feel like people are gonna start getting mad at me. I'm just being goofy. I'm goofing off. You know?

SPEAKER_01 44:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

I've had quite enough. Yeah, you're used to it. You're just like, yeah, bitch, whatever. How long is this shit? Are we are we? I'm just kidding. What's the fucking clock at? Uh I think the moment I knew that I I told you I'm trying to get in a stand-up.

unknown 45:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:02

Yeah, I keep bringing it up on the show. Um, so people are ready for it. Uh I think the moment I I knew I could do comedy in some form for a living was uh the uh I'm so by the way, I'm so sorry for what you had to deal with when I was on your rugby team. Oh god, I was just really not a good fucking player.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

I'm telling you right now, you were not the problem. I have bigger problems.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

No thanks. But I was such a fucking head case, man. Like the more I think, yeah, look, you're you're struggling to speak because you don't want to agree with it.

SPEAKER_01 45:33

You for sure were. Like, you were definitely a head case. Yeah. But I knew the issue wasn't rugby.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

No, it was just my life.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Yeah, I knew the issue was like much bigger.

SPEAKER_02 45:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

So I was never gonna like hold that against you.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

Yeah, because I would I would just be like, I'm not doing that. And then yeah, it wasn't great.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

But then, like, I don't know, you'd also show up five minutes before the match and then just play. Yeah, it was like, uh cool. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna, yeah, you're gonna play. Yeah, and then win man of the match and then yeah, and then we're gonna high, and then we're gonna laugh. I'm gonna laugh.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

I'm gonna house half a Costco pizza and we're fucking ready to rip.

SPEAKER_01 46:08

We're gonna just like hope everybody eats some pizza and please go home because I'm exhausted.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Genuinely get the fuck out of here. We had seven games today. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

Like it's been a lot. It's been a week. I've had four people at practice. I think nobody knows how to scrum.

SPEAKER_02 46:19

Yeah, nobody knows how to scrum. People are freaking, can't throw the ball forward.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

And I was just grateful, I think, have the time to just like have you on the pitch being like, please, yeah, please line the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 46:31

Please actually line up. The referee is the kid who just played his under you 12 games.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

Just turn, turn to your left.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

We turn to your left.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

Just give me the ball. Just throw the ball to one.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Just we're not honestly, we had a play that was just throw me the ball. Yeah. It was called gang gang. We would yell out gang gang and then I would turn and get the fucking rugby ball. Yeah. That was unacceptable. We should not have been allowed to do that.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

You should not have said that at all. No. But I was beyond my capacity to care. Yeah. If gang gang is what you guys want, and that's gang gang's gonna activate them. But we also did gang gang to kick it out of the out of the 22. Yeah, it was also the call for all the other things that we did. It was killed.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

It was it was like a vibe check, right? Yeah. Like are we going gang gang or are we going like gang gang? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 47:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:19

And they they couldn't figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

No.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

They never knew.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

No one has any idea how how much of a mind fuck that seven years was.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

We had such a beautiful language on that on that pitch.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Did we?

SPEAKER_02 47:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:32

I mean, it was it was something.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

We weren't using beautiful language, but we certainly had a beautiful poetic language to our team. But yeah, the moment I knew that I could be funny for a living in some form or the other, or just funny in general, was when I I managed to weasel my way out of running laps on the track field and up and down the bleachers because I was like, well, as people finish their laps, I'm just gonna do like a quick, like 30-minute stand-up set. And I remember I was ex I was explaining the plot to the the film uh Serbian film, and like at one point, 40 children are just sitting on the ground on the football field while I'm given my fucking my hour.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

Your sermon.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Yeah. Well, can they were all laughing and I was like, this is it.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

You could I think you could easily do stand-up.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

I could not.

unknown 48:21

Really?

SPEAKER_02 48:21

You don't think so?

SPEAKER_01 48:23

No. I I think I'm only funny like in my small circle. That's true and like at a table. I don't think I could write something that like hits and then uh I really don't want to perform. I really don't want to. That's sort of a huge part of it. You have to like want people to look at you, and I never want people to look at me.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

I'm getting past that. I don't want people to look at me either all that much, but I think you for different reasons. Yeah, I'm scared.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Right.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:50

But you like to perform.

SPEAKER_02 48:51

I love validation.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:53

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

And I don't need it. And I don't want it, and I you can take it and shove it.

SPEAKER_02 48:58

I'm trying.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

I don't. It does not it does not like feed any part of who I am.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

It almost feeds me too much. I love validation.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

But like, don't performers, isn't that what doesn't that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 49:12

Yeah, and it's like every aspect of my life.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

Yeah, but I think it I think that's what performers are like.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Like I flirt with people for validation.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

I'm sure you do.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

I don't even want to talk to you later. But right now, but right now.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:22

I just want to know you want me. Yeah. Basically, my my need is like, would you? Cool.

SPEAKER_01 49:30

Bye.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

Bye. See you later.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

That's always good to know though. Yeah.

unknown 49:33

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Yeah. It's always fun to know, like, you're not dead to the world.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

And like people see you and go, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:40

And people would I bang you. Yeah, people would hit. Yeah. Yeah. And that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 49:44

Great.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

And there's no better cosign to that than a picture of boobs. It's truly the ch the greatest stamp of approval, and it's been such a hindrance on my life.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

When you get pictures of boobs, I don't get pictures of boobs.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

I think they're like, all of them never have. Never in your life? There's no fucking shot.

SPEAKER_01 50:00

I'm old. So no one was sending dick pics or tit shots or anything.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

They weren't taping them to a pigeon's foot.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

None of that was happening.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Yeah, how would you have done that when you were younger? Would you have been getting like a Polaroid in your male pot?

SPEAKER_01 50:15

First of all, fuck all the way off because it wasn't 1971 UC I can't.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

But we're doing more stuff.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

I mean early 2000s. No, no one that doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

You didn't you weren't getting MySpace messages? No. Really?

SPEAKER_01 50:30

You never had one.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

You never had a MySpace?

SPEAKER_01 50:32

No.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

You're so counterculture.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

I don't I also please don't send me that.

SPEAKER_02 50:37

Really? You're just like not into it at all? No. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

I don't need just like raw dick in a picture.

SPEAKER_02 50:43

Oh, no one needs that. Like, that's not That's never what we're looking for. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 50:47

And I don't what am I gonna what I don't hit pick is not See, that's where you lose me.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

I felt so connected to you for a moment there. And then we were out and I watched you pull away from it.

SPEAKER_01 50:58

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 50:59

I don't what it's like just like pure dopamine. It's not like doing a like doing a line off the table.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

No. I'd rather have a line off the table.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

Like crazy. No, I don't yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:11

Good for you though.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 51:13

Yeah, it's probably made your life for someone.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

I've never sent one or gotten one.

SPEAKER_02 51:16

That's that's crazy. We should change that.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

Nope. Good.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

I just want to infect your life.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

I'm 100% good.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

Really?

SPEAKER_01 51:23

Yeah, I don't ever need that.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

I don't think it's crazy at all. I think it's crazy that people take pictures and then send them out into the universe.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

I think like that's I think it's because like not gonna get out.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

I don't understand. I can't wrap my brain around that.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

I do think it is a younger generation thing because we're so tied to our phone.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

Like we're I mean, we're even it's how you flirt. Yeah, it's how you flirt, it's how you start to date.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

It's how you but like we went out to bars and we met people and then we made out in the corner. I don't what else is there to do?

SPEAKER_02 51:54

Yeah, what Baldur's Gate 3 is like a 400-hour game, dude. I don't have time to go to the bar.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

First of all, I don't know what that first thing is that you said.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

It's funnier when you don't. I like saying shit like that. So you don't know I know intentionally.

SPEAKER_01 52:06

You do, you do it intentionally to be like, I wonder what her face is gonna do this time. Yeah, it's funny. It's fine. Yeah. No, I also don't want a game, and I I don't no, I don't want you to send me anything. That feels weird.

SPEAKER_02 52:19

Yeah. I f I feel the dynamic close closing faster and faster. Yeah. We started this podcast by saying you're no longer just my teacher, you're one of my close friends, and now I feel so far. And now you feel I feel so far away from me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

I don't know what to tell you. I mean, go for it. You want to get all the tid picks you want, go uh support you.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

No, you're probably right. I should probably stop. Well, we have a I have a question for you. Okay, I'm ready. Now we're here. Now we're let's slowly move off of my insatiable desire for boob pics and transition into uh I ask all of my guests, I'm trying to bring more positivity into my life and to the pod. And so one thing I ask all my guests is what is something that's super underrated to you? It could be a piece of media, could be a way you live your life, could be not ever asking for boot picks. You think that's an underrated way of living? That could be part of it.

SPEAKER_01 53:15

Well, now I want to add that to my answer.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

Yeah, we can tack that on.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Like sans nude photos, yeah, like a life without nude photos. I think that we're not without nudity in all in different kinds of forms, but I don't nude photos specifically.

SPEAKER_02 53:30

Nude photos feels like I think we're gonna get pushback on that.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

Yeah, that's fine. I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, for sure. The thing that I think is okay, so I'm uh I think reality TV is underrated as a way to analyze human behavior. Okay, not as like a guilty pleasure. Yeah, yeah. We all know it's a guilty pleasure, yeah, but okay, so I'm obsessed with Vanderpump rules.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

Oh yeah, you're another one of those.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

I really am, in a way that I shouldn't be.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

In a way where like I'll put it on a season I've watched 9,000 times, yeah, and I will still psychoanalyze everyone and their backstory, and like I'll be like, well, in three seasons, yeah, this is where this is headed, and this is what's gonna happen. And it's like the study of people, yeah, and it's fantastic. And now you may not have heard because I don't feel like you're part of the Bravo universe. No, okay, well, Summer House just has a whole blow-up because a couple got married, now they're divorced, and now the wife is dating her husband's friend, who's also her best friend's ex. And it it just came out. Yeah, it's the whole Amanda and West like Bravo Universe scandal right now.

SPEAKER_02 54:50

I gotta watch that one. All I know about it is that they all do a lot of cocaine and they call it pasta. Is what I've been told.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

On Summerhouse?

SPEAKER_02 55:00

On Vanderpump Rules.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

Oh, I'm I'm a hundred percent sure.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

Because all I remember is my friend told me that and it sent me a clip of apparently two of them argued about somebody did someone else's cocaine. And then one of my unfortunate things I yell all the time is he goes, it's not about the pasta. Yeah, yeah. See, you know.

SPEAKER_01 55:18

No, I do. Yeah, you think that would be uh season seven? No, season like four.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

No, I fuck with that ideology because I also love reality TV. I was always I watched a lot of Bad Girls Club, another another sign. Okay I really loved Bad Girls Club.

SPEAKER_01 55:32

So I didn't watch any of that.

SPEAKER_02 55:33

Yeah, it's just hey, let's put a bunch of girls in a house that are gonna beat the shit out of each other. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Love that.

SPEAKER_02 55:38

They fucking hate it.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

I just watched Love Island for the first time. Right.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

And they fuck on that show. Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

Yeah.

unknown 55:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

On TV.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

Under the covers.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

I've watched a lot of Love Island recaps, and I can't believe the shit that happened. It's crazy. One one guy, I think it was Love Island, like, I don't know, one of the fucking European ones, I don't care about. His like, he like broke up with his girlfriend, and there's like a scene of him like running after her on the beach, and then it cuts her, and she's like straight getting her shit blown out of her guy, and it's like cutting back and forth. That's some of the greatest TV I've ever seen in my life. He's like, Amanda!

SPEAKER_01 56:10

Look what happens when you put people in like this microcosm and then you watch their lives fall apart. Yeah, none of it ever goes well. It's awesome. And they're all like trying to make their lives something, yeah, and have relationships. And I'm like, none of this is a recipe for healthy anything.

SPEAKER_02 56:25

Well, and all of them know, no matter if they win, because you can win Love Island, right? You either like but split money and keep fucking, or you break up and get all the money. I don't know, some shit. Or maybe that's backwards.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

That's literally 100% what's happening.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

Um, but like all of them know, like we're getting Instagram brand deals after this. Nothing we do on this show matters.

SPEAKER_01 56:42

Matters. You just have to like crash out a couple times and then like make out with some people and then have connections. Yeah, and then maybe if I have to hear the word connection or I have to explore this connection one more fucking time on that show. I'm gonna go insane.

SPEAKER_02 56:57

I love them.

SPEAKER_01 56:58

But I really I'm down the Bravo universe like vortex. It's not healthy. No, but I can't wait.

SPEAKER_02 57:05

The valley comes out tonight. They said you need to go to the village. I said the village.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

I want to go's Lala from Vanderpump Rules and Schwartz from Vander. They're all gonna be on the Valley now with Britney.

SPEAKER_02 57:19

It's I feel like this is penance penance for me continuing to say video game name. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 57:23

Now now you're just like, I don't know what she's doing.

SPEAKER_02 57:25

You're like Amanda and Rachel are there, they're going to the Schmump house, and they're it's so good. Yeah, I was always more into uh reality competition shows. Like what? Uh I watch I watch so much Hell's Kitchen. I loved Hell's Kitchen. Okay, love Top Chef.

SPEAKER_01 57:39

Yeah. Are you watching the new season?

SPEAKER_02 57:41

No. I'm so bad. I'm only watching nothing.

SPEAKER_01 57:45

I think Kristen Kish. Oh, she's so cute. She's the host. I just thought I'd let you into my world.

SPEAKER_02 57:52

Kristen.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

She's great. She's so hot.

SPEAKER_02 57:55

Yeah. Yeah. See? And what what if you could get boob pictures?

SPEAKER_01 57:59

First of all, I don't she's super flat. But I okay, well, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

Like, well, first of all, baby, pictures of water.

SPEAKER_01 58:07

She's tall and thin, and so she doesn't have like a gongas, but like I'm I'm not gonna gong hunger. I'm not really like I'm not like a tit lady.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

Oh so you think that's where it stems? Oh. What about an ass pick?

SPEAKER_01 58:23

Or what?

SPEAKER_02 58:24

That's fair.

SPEAKER_01 58:25

I don't know what I'm gonna do with that.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

In mire it like a fucking freshly caught trout. I don't take I'm taking a picture the same way.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 58:35

I've got my cell phone by the lip.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

I don't need it.

SPEAKER_02 58:41

That's fair. Alright.

SPEAKER_01 58:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:43

Yeah. No, I love I love reality TV. I got really there was a okay. Counterpoint. I'm ready. I do love reality TV. I think we should all engage it. Jersey Shore was my shit. I watched every season of Jersey Shore.

SPEAKER_01 58:53

I really want to go back and watch it. Because I never actually watched it when it came out.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

Brother in Christ. Okay. It is.

SPEAKER_01 59:00

That'll be my new one. I'm gonna go find it.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

Jersey Short's fucking bonkers.

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Where am I even gonna find it? Where's the streaming?

SPEAKER_02 59:06

It's on Paramount because it's MTV show. Oh done. Oh, it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

Because they need like Summer House is gonna be a really big thing. Stay here, get your ass beat. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

You can stay here, get your ass beat.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

What is it? Uh tan laundry.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

Uh GTL, Gym Tan Laundry.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

There, that's what I was.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

Cabs are here. T-shirt time. Oh my god. That fucking show has had a rain on my life for decades.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

But that's how I feel about Bandy.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

Yeah. That's what I was watching.

SPEAKER_01 59:31

I have like the sweatshirt. It's bad.

SPEAKER_02 59:32

I was watching that as a teenager. They should not have let us watch. Yeah, probably not. No, but it was so good. I censored it. Yeah, I was there. I was there when Snooky got punched in the face.

SPEAKER_01 59:42

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

Yeah, I was like peeking.

SPEAKER_01 59:43

I've seen clips of that.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

Yeah, it's it's it looks great. When you're a kid, it's fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

Well, and now like the situation is sober. Yeah. And they're all like grown up.

SPEAKER_02 59:52

They're not family and shit. Pauly D's got a residency in Vegas.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

They're fucking What world do we live in? We grew up. Polly D has a residency.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:00

Yeah. It is weird to become an adult and then now you watch the show sometimes. First of all, that show's problematic as fuck. They say some wild shit on there, you're like, ooh, ooh, oh no. She was on my notebook. We should not be. I had a bump it. We should not be listening to this bitch. Yeah. It's like the most, first of all, the most fat phobic show that I think's ever existed. Probably. Oh my god. But also just like if you're not straight and according to them, not white, but let's be honest. But also that. But also you're Italian, relax. Um, you know, just because you're paying yourself orange doesn't mean it counts.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

They were really Yeah. I don't know how they all don't have skin cancer. I don't understand. But it was a wild show.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:45

Yeah, it's so fun though. But yeah, I watched a lot more. There was a really dark period, I think. You this is the sign to get out was I got really into the mask singer. And I was like, we gotta go. We gotta cut bait.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

I watched one episode of that because I was like, what is this? And then I was like, this cannot be on.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:02

It is a fucking disease of my life.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:04

Like, cancel it. Yeah. Cancel.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:06

I had to watch 27 minutes of people in furry costumes singing, and then like three, like, like not get like in a full minute and a half of someone pretend struggling to take a helmet off, and it's like, oh shit, it's T-Pain. Fucking gives a shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

But also, why is T Pain on a singing show? I don't know. Like not qualified.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:31

I knew I I remember having the brief this was like peak COVID too, so it was really dark, but I remember having the moment of like I'm like staring at Kenjiang because he's the host for some reason. And I'm just like Yeah, what there was a real part of my soul that was like, I need to know who's who's under the Fox costume. And then I paused and I was like, No, you don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:57

What you need to do is walk away.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

If you learn that Katy Perry's under there, nothing changes. Yeah, everything's the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:04

You just continue. Yeah. Yeah. The Mast Singer is terrible.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

No, it's not good. And there's like 30 spinoffs. There's one called uh I I can or uh Can I See Your Voice? I think it's called or something. Where the same fucking they all shoot these in like the same day. I think they're all in the back lot for fucking ABC. But it's people go on the show and they sing a song, and then the guests have to try and the judges have to try and guess if they're limp singing or not. And I was like, genuinely, if this is what entertainment is, I'm I think I'm cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:33

I can't watch like America's Got Talent either. No, it's so fake too. That part. I can't deal with like the nine hours of the backstory and like the mom and the auntie in the back like crying as they kind of like wait on stage and then it's like all and then they get on there and they're like so when it's up.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

Alright, man. Alright, Doc.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

Yeah, like I waited 20 minutes for this, or there's like some weird performance.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

Where like you're a shadow.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:10

You know, like that's that felt too rooted in reality. I really I just want to talk about the fucking shadow guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:17

Because I think I've seen that when I'm like, what yeah, what are we doing? How is it a talent?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

Who's paying for that? Well, and then you remember And why are you spending hours of your life doing that?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

Well, then you remember that the prize for winning is a show in Vegas. And then you have to think like, what's the show?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

We give you an hour. Are you in a shadow for an hour?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:37

Uh just for years? Yeah. Like that's what you're gonna do. That's pretty you know, and then you're gonna try to be what, like a double shadow? Like what how do you elevate that? I and I don't and you've spent hours perfecting the fact that you're a shadow. Can't figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:50

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

So I can't do reality TV like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

But I can do competition like top chef.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:56

That's super, I'm super into that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:57

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

I love shows about people cooking and specifically about people getting yelled at while they're cooking.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:03

That's always good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:04

I love it. I would I kind of miss when we were allowed to be mean on TV.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:07

Do you know? Um did you ever watch uh like the worst cooks in the world? Where they like people it was.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:14

No, but it sounds so awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:16

It was like they got four people, just like regular folk, into a kitchen who claim to be the worst in the kitchen, and they'd be like, All right, here's a recipe, cook it. And then you'd watch them cook, and it'd be a disaster. Like one lady doesn't take the the cover off the knife, so she's cutting an onion with the cover still on the knife, or like just like yeah, one lady cuts an avocado through the middle seed, like those kinds of things, and then they try to teach them how to cook something after that, and it's just a debacle.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:48

I almost wish there wasn't a positive spin on it. Right. Like they just put them on the case. Like, give them another recipe. Look at this fuck an idiot. Anyway, next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

Next week we'll have Joan, yeah, and she'll come on in and she's gonna try to make some Betacini Alfredo. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:03

I think that'd be my perfect show.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:05

Yeah, it'd be great. Yeah, look at this fucking moron.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

Yeah, yeah. That's all TV was back then. Yeah, I grew up watching American Idol. Holy shit, they were so many other people. They're like, Yo, terrible. Yeah, it'd be like I've been waiting 20 years to get here. I've been in line since fucking 3 a.m. and I'm gonna start. And they're just like, you fucking piece of shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

I think you can stop now.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

I think you should stop music, and I think you should stop breathing. And then Randy Jackson's just like, fuck no dog.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

No dog.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:35

Hell no.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:36

That was all he said. He got really famous for saying that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:39

It's a no for me, dog. Yeah, it's a no for me, dog. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:42

Yeah, that was it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:43

You know what I got into? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:45

Oh, and then what's her face? Paula Abdul was just high all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Well, she's fucking blitz out of her mind. I think they should have got her husband on there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:51

Right? And she was just like, Yeah. Yep. It was good. Yeah, now that's some good shit to watch.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

And now they do the thing. Now everyone has to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:59

And now they have the voice. Which I also don't watch because I don't want to hear your backstory. I don't care where you came from. Just sing.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:05

Do the yodeling shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:06

And if you're good, then we'll say you're good.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:08

And I don't know why we have to slam the chairs and turn them around.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

Yeah, just be looking at me.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

I don't. Normally, when you perform it's face to face.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

Yeah, you can still turn around and then say no.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:18

Also that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:19

Yeah. You can just be like, never mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:21

She's ugly as fuck. You don't have the face for it. No. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:25

I got really into okay, the opposite tune of it then. Okay. I got really it's very wholesome. I got really into great British bake-off. Finally, they got me. How did they get you? Lee, my partner. He loves British bake-off. And the new season was coming out, and I was like, alright, I'll watch it. And every week. It's like I've never rooted for people more in my life.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

I've never watched it.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:48

I was like, I don't, I was like, I don't really care about like like baking's fun, but I was like, whatever. And then we'll watch it. And I'm just like, if Ian gets eliminated this weekend, I'm showing up to Paul's house and I'm fucking I'm going burning it. I'm going nuts.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:59

Burn.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:00

Mary very.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

Like when I watch it, I'm like, well, this bitch needs to go home. Because it's like, how is Nana still here? Exactly. You didn't get any potatoes on the plate. Let's go.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

I think that's the opposite with Great British Bacoff. It's like, I don't want to see anyone go home. Oh. Because they're not professionals. They're all just like home bakers who are like pre- Yeah, you're not allowed to be like a professional baker. And then they come up on it. And that changes the game. Yeah. And they're like, by the way, your challenge this week is to build a working automobile with cakes and cream.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

Cakes and cream.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:30

To a dumbass. And then they have to present it to a four MMs as wheels.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:36

Yeah. And then go.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:37

And here you go. And if this shit isn't carrying me around to and from.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:41

Do they do a kids' version of that?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:45

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:46

I think they put specialists because there's a reel on Instagram where this girl tries to put like her rice crispy treat rainbow on and it falls, and her face is like. I think that might have been it makes me laugh every time I see that 30-second clip. It's unlike this poor 11-year-old who he went on a show and tried, and I'm just I'm just scrolling. I'm just like you fucking dumb bitch. I'm just rotting and scrolling and being like, you look so dumb on live TV. Like that's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:17

Yeah, I do cry. I do hate what it turns me into. Because I do watch, especially when I'm watching a competition reality show and somebody fucks something. I'm like, how could you fuck that up, idiot? The beef welding? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:29

Yeah. Like you could do better.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:30

Yeah, meanwhile, and then sometimes I'm leave something in the air fryer and forget.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:36

We did that one Christmas. We had like 12 baked potatoes. Yeah. And we just forgot. We were all so drunk. We just forgot they were in the oven. And at four in the morning, when we're about to go to bed, shit. We oh no, we went to put in like a frozen pizza. Oh, you know, and we're like, oh shit, the potatoes are still in here.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:00

We turned these motherfuckers into fries.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:02

They were black, and when you touch them, they just disintegrate the entire inside. Because it's mostly like water.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:10

They had evaporated completely, and the the skins were just crispy and they just fell. And it was and I was like, oh no.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:18

But at four in the morning when you're hammered, at the end of a long Christmas day.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:22

That's the funniest shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:24

It was the funniest thing that ever happened to us that entire Christmas. And we woke up the next day and we told that story 12 different times. We're like, you guys remember the potatoes?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

Remember the fucking potatoes by the way?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:33

Remember the potatoes? Because my brother had already flung corn onto the wall. Like it. It was that kind of a Christmas. That's fair.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

You seem to have a lot of those scenarios. Uh yeah, there's something I have to ask you off the pod. I don't think I can ask you one this one on the pod.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:49

When you say cut, you can ask me any question you can do.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:51

Yeah, that's fair.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:53

But oh shit. Are we over? I think that's it. Okay. I think this was so much fun. It was. Dude. We'll do this again.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

This was easy.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:01

Oh, wait. I have one last thing I want to talk to you about. I can't talk to you about this on the pod. This goes along with I'm very glad that uh we've been we've been friends like actual friends now for a couple of years. Yeah. But this is the most I've seen you in those years, which was two times in two months. That is true. I'm glad I'm seeing you more. Yeah. Um, but also again, I would never change anything about you. I think you're perfect. And if I've ever said I would change anything about you, I'm kidding, and I'm goofing and I'm gaffing. I love you. I think you're perfect. I think you're amazing. I need you to stop texting me like you're a fucking straight man. It is the most anxiety-inducing. Wow. You texting me, you text with no enunciation, like no pronunciation, no fucking exclamations, no emojis. I think you were mad that I have like you have to come see me. No. Today you were like, I'm like, hey D.Va, ready to boost the house down with you? Like, I'm so excited. I can't wait. I love you so much. You're one of my bestest pals, and I can't wait to pop this show off. And you're like, be there at 4 45.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:06

Okay. But also, I'm Okay, like, see you then. I'm so excited, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:11

Like, just letting you know, I'm very excited. And you're like, cool, see you then. No, period. I'm here.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:18

Okay. You're not the first person to tell me. I'll say that. My children have been like, uh, are you mad? Yeah. Like, what's happening? And I'm like, why? And they're like, you you responded, okay, period. Yeah. Like, that's what I do. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:33

That's what I do when I'm being petty.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:34

It's not even intentional, I promise. It is, I think, a function of I'm also having 12 other conversations at the exact same time. Yeah. So it's to me, texting is business.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:46

You're very efficient. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:48

It's I'm not trying to like connect with you. Yeah. I'm not trying to like tell you how much I love you, which I do. Yeah. Adore you.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:55

I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:56

And like yeah, it's very just we're like, we're to the point.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:01

Yeah. The emotions will happen when I get there.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:03

Yeah. You you like to make them wait for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:06

I really I want you to yearn. I'm really into the yearning. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:11

I it's you are a lesbian at heart. Probably. I think so.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:15

Yeah. They got you though.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:17

He does. He got me.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:19

But I will say this, and I've said this to James, that I don't think I would have gotten married had it been anyone but him.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:24

That's fair. I do have a lot of friends like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:26

Who are like their sexuality is like the concept of women and then the one man that they ended up with. And it's truly unfortunate. We hate to see a man win. But he got you. He does.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:36

But also like he's the most open man ever. And the most like kind. No, he's one of the things. When my friends talk about their husbands, you're like, holy shit. I can't first of all I can't contribute because I don't have any of those complaints. I don't have any of those things to share. I have nothing to add to this conversation. And I would never talk about him in a negative way to anyone, ever.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:03

And then I so I just try to be kind.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:04

No, you really did pick a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:06

If there was anyone you could have gotten, we're at least thankful it's like I got a full win.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:10

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

But if he wasn't around, I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

It softens the blow for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

I'll let you know. We'll go to Badlands. We'll have a good time.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:17

Oh, if you were with a shitty man.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:19

Oh, that'd be a different conversation for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:22

Yeah. Some some some different things would have happened when I was at your house. I would have rigged that bitch up like home alone.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:29

Yeah. Change the locks. He's not coming back.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:32

Like James is coming back a day early, and I went McCaulay Culkin.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:37

That's fair. I'll give you that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:39

But yeah. I'll work on my texting. I'll work on my texting. Yeah. Text me, text me like a like a true queen. Okay. No, I'm just kidding. I would never change that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:47

I'll I'll try.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:48

I'll just yearn more.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:49

I'll just either way I win. Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:52

So well, thanks for coming on the podcast. This was so fun. Thanks for having me. I'm sure you're gonna come on more times. I will. Yeah. For sure. This was fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:59

Well, now that we're seeing each other on a regular basis, it's easier.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:02

Yeah. I think we should start a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:04

We also have like happy hour. We do have happy hour. In a couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:07

See, I'm also so this shows me your maturity level that that's still happening.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:11

Yeah, it's on my calendar.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:12

Sometimes, sometimes young gay people like to trade hangouts. So they're like, okay, Bidge, well, I saw you this time, so that next time isn't real anymore on the calendar. And it's like, that's not really how I am. You're on the calendar. Yeah. I'm on the calendar. For sure. That's official. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:23

That's a recognizing. I think it's actually in pen. I think it's on the 23rd, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:26

Yeah. I think 23rd or 26th something like that. One of those. One of those. One of those things.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:30

It's the end of the month, kind of ish. Yeah. So we'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:33

So we'll be fine. We're doing it. But yeah, thanks for coming on the podcast. It was so fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:36

Thanks.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:37

Do you have any uh you're not really like a like an online presence person, so I'm imagining you don't have any things to plug?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:44

Yeah. You don't want the streets to find you on social media.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:46

Maybe maybe like not yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:47

Maybe in the future.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

Like hit me up later. We'll we'll circle back to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:50

We'll circle back. We'll do a callback next time. But do you have any any last words? Any any last retorts?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:56

Retorts?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:57

Yeah. Is that a word?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:58

That is a word.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:59

That is a word. I said that right. Well, it's more like retorts are more like a response.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:02

Like a so I sort of fucked that one one up in front of my old English teacher, but um, no, just happy to be here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:08

Yeah. I had a really good time.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:09

That's fun. I did too. Yeah. I know I'm I know I'm trying on being a little goofy and gaffy, but those are. I love it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:15

I wouldn't have it any other way.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:17

Yeah. It's truly a blessing. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. I appreciate it. I had a blast. Thank you guys so much for watching. It was a total blast. There will be no you can follow me on social media. Follow the podcast on social media. Um and yeah, make sure you like, subscribe, all that stuff. And as always, thanks for stopping by.