Grown-Up Church Kids

Gracie Binion Wrote “Goodbye Yesterday,” Heard God’s Voice, and Talks Fake Prophecy

• Dwan Hill • Season 1 • Episode 8

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Gracie Binion sits down with Dwan and Shama to talk about writing “Goodbye Yesterday,” hearing the audible voice of God, navigating fake prophecy, and what it actually looks like to release secular music as a worship leader. She opens up about growing up in a ministry family, leaving a toxic relationship, receiving prophetic words at 13 that did not make sense until she got married, and why she still believes God speaks even when the prophetic movement has been misused. Grown Up Church Kids is where Sunday morning meets real life.


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SPEAKER_03

The word rapture is not in the Bible.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, she's tapping someone in.

SPEAKER_00

I'm tapping him in. Oh, it's 2v2. Because this just added to my theology. Come on.

SPEAKER_02

My name is Malica Garmeny. I am the husband of Gracie. Yay. And how how long have y'all been married?

SPEAKER_00

A year.

SPEAKER_02

Like a year and two months.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Or a month. A year and months.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Okay, tell the thing about the being caught up in the sky and the Roman and the Kings thing.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm taking some Armand classes, which is Manny Orango. He teaches a Hugh is Jesus course while he was breaking down the scripture in um, I think it's Second Thessalonians. Anyways, um, the calling up of saints. He's gonna pierce the sky, he's gonna come through. All the saints are gonna meet him in the sky. He was basically saying he's writing to a Roman guard or something. So he's writing in the context of Rome at the time. Their tradition was a king, he would win a battle. He would come like 10-15 feet within the city walls, he would have everyone in the city come out to meet him, and then they would come into the city as like, we just won this battle. So Manny's whole like theology around this is not a rapture. It's simply Jesus saying, I just beat the I just won the battle of Armageddon. Y'all didn't have to fight, and then now you're just joining me in the sky. We're gonna come into the new heaven, new earth, Eden, and basically say, We just won the battle, we're gonna party in the city, we're gonna party in this thing I made for you, this town to protect you, whatever. Wow. And the battle's finished, it's done, you don't have to fight for it. Well, you're gonna take part just by saying, I'm your you're our king, and we just you just won our battle, but we won the battle.

SPEAKER_08

Wow. And so that's the theology past her husband.

SPEAKER_09

My name is Duan. I have the honor and the privilege of having our guest speaker. Y'all know we do it every time the guest speaker comes in for the three o'clock Sunday night service, and we give them the orange juice and the uh special parking spot and uh the honorarium. Yeah, that's right. You gotta pay the special guests. That's right. Uh and we're taking up an offering. We're taking up an offering. We're taking up a love offering. A love offering. Come on. Come on. We can't afford to pay them out of our budget, but we're gonna ask y'all to pay for it. Y'all stop. I'm really glad that uh my friend is here. I've gotten to uh admire her work from a distance and work with her up close in music and in worship leading. And uh I'm really glad to introduce you to her. You probably have seen her or her parents or their ministry somewhere online or in a church because they have a legacy of leading worship and being a part of many churches around the world. Um, but she is a a minister and musician and worship leader in her own right. And she told me to introduce her as a girl with the colored blue-green hair. So girl with the hair. I want y'all to put your hands together and welcome Miss Gracie Benyon.

SPEAKER_01

Hi, Benya. Where do I look? Everywhere?

SPEAKER_09

Hey, look at us.

SPEAKER_01

Hi, everyone.

SPEAKER_09

We're over here. We're over here. Hey Gracie. Hey guys, I'm kidding. What's up, Gracie? Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_03

I'm actually a member of every single church in America. So it's cool that you said that I've gone to all the churches and um I am an official member of all of them. All of them.

SPEAKER_09

You go on all the next step courses, all the single.

SPEAKER_03

No, I've gone through, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Okay, okay. Let's start with your hair.

SPEAKER_03

Sure.

SPEAKER_09

Because she said start with your hair. She said So what's that about? So your hair, yeah. Tell us, tell us the creative vision and scriptural basically.

SPEAKER_03

It's really damaged, and I actually need to re-dye it right now. Okay. So I like it. I think I've always I've always thanks. I've always done this. Um, since I was like 14, dyed my hair a bunch of different colors. I think the only thing stopping me from blue when I was 14 was my dress code at my school. Um, but yeah, that's it. I love blue.

SPEAKER_09

Were your parents always okay and supportive?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah, which is rare, I've found out.

SPEAKER_09

I feel like that's rare for for our circle of churches. And people may not know what kind of church you grew up in, but yeah, it was not a progressive, liberal uh do what you want to do kind of church. Yeah. What kind of church was it?

SPEAKER_03

It was non-denominational, but it was a very big church. We I was born in Franklin. We moved to Texas when I was six and went to um a church called Covenant Church in Carrollton, Texas, and really, really big church. Um the pastors wear suits. So that was the vibe. But I was in youth group all the time, and all my friends were cool, and they had skateboards, and like that was like the pinnacle for cool to me. But we were all on the worship team, so it was never like frowned upon in like I I never saw it frowned upon, probably because of my family. So yeah, I don't know. My parents never um stopped me from expressing myself.

SPEAKER_09

Wow, that's really special. Maybe we just grew up in the context in which, like, you what why would you want to you could express the Lord, not dye your hair. You cannot express yourself. What are you trying to do? Can you imagine if we dyed our hair blue? Specifically blue. No, no, I can't. I'm dude. I grew my hair out and my mom hazed me for today every time she saw me. And I'm like, I it's I work really hard on it. It's my hair's clean. It's what do you I don't what do you want?

SPEAKER_03

I could see both of you dyeing your hair.

SPEAKER_09

You know what? I've I've asked my wife if I can do like I can see it happen. Let's get to let's somebody make a run to Walgreens right now.

SPEAKER_01

Activity for the pod.

SPEAKER_09

Let's I'll do it. Don't worry. My well, I've asked my wife if I could do like highlights. Yeah. Blonde highlights, and she's she's denied that request every time I've asked. I just feel like like Travis Green had it right. Travis Green had the highlights in his hair. I thought that was really cool. Yeah. You know? It's a thing. She's not up, she's not on board. Did your wife let you do blonde? I don't think so. Well, well, she'd be like, you could try it, and then she'd be like, I knew it was not gonna be a good idea, but I just wanted you to try it and see. You know what I mean? Right. You know that wife wisdom. Yeah, yeah. Where they like let you do you let you do something, and then you're like, wait, you should've yeah. Okay.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Did you grow up believing that there would be a rapture?

SPEAKER_03

No. Well, I don't think I gave it much thought because what's the point? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09

You're like, I'm going.

SPEAKER_03

I'm yeah, like whatever happens, I'll be there already. But like, I don't need to, yeah. I wrote the whole thing. Um, but my dad actually wrote a book on Revelation. Um, because he wrote an album, and there's a book that goes with the album. Kind of broke it down, and so I kind of everything made sense to me. I'm not smart enough to like tell you exactly what I believe about it and be correct and accurate. Um, but no, my family, like, we don't believe in I mean, the word rapture is not in the Bible. And um hot take. There is yeah, yeah. Uh, but the scripture about everyone like being brought up, caught up in this guy. Um I want to call on my partner to tell this.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, come on. Come on.

SPEAKER_03

Come here.

SPEAKER_09

Come on, come on. Oh, she's tapping someone in. I'm tapping him in. Oh, it's 2v2.

SPEAKER_00

Because this just added to my theology, actually. Come on. Hey. You gonna tell the story then?

unknown

Yeah, we can tell. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

Do I look at a certain one? Yeah, come on in. First of all, tell us your name. My name is Malica Carmeny. I am the husband of Gracie. Yay. And how how long have y'all been married? A year. Like a year and two months.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10

Or a month, a year and months.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, tell the thing about the being caught up in the sky and the Roman and the Kings thing.

SPEAKER_02

So I'm taking some Arma classes, which is Manny Aringo. I don't know if you're familiar with that. Okay. He teaches a Hugh is Jesus course while he was breaking down the scripture in um, I think it's Second Thessalonians. Anyways, um the calling up of saints. He's gonna pierce the sky, he's gonna come through. All the saints are gonna meet him in the sky. He was basically saying he's writing to a Roman guard or something. So he's writing in the context of Rome at the time. Their tradition was a king, he would win a battle. He would come like 10-15 feet within the city walls. He would have everyone in the city come out to meet him, and then would come into the city as like, we just won this battle. So Manny's whole like theology around this is not a rapture. It's simply Jesus saying, I just beat the I just won the battle of Armageddon. Y'all didn't have to fight. And then now you're just joining me in the sky. We're gonna come into the new heaven, new earth, Eden, and basically say, We just won the battle, we're gonna party in the city, we're gonna party in this thing I made for you, this town to protect you, whatever.

SPEAKER_06

Wow.

SPEAKER_02

And the battle's finished, it's done, you don't have to fight for it. Well, you're gonna take part just by saying, I'm your you're you're our king, and we just you just won our battle, but we won the battle.

SPEAKER_08

Wow.

SPEAKER_02

And so that's the theology.

SPEAKER_08

So I I wanted to say, but she didn't.

SPEAKER_09

I just I just want to prophesy. Okay. I see a ministry. We've never seen this before. Never, we have never seen this before. A preacher. We've never seen our preachers before a preacher married to a singer. I don't know what God is doing in the earth. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Kind of brand new.

SPEAKER_09

It's kind of brand new. Have you ever seen this ministry? Well, one of one. I call it Aquilla. I call I call you Aquilla and Priscilla. Why would I change their names? All right, can I go now? Hey man, well done. Have a way with words, young man. Wow. I see you. I see you in the future.

SPEAKER_03

Anyway, um shout out Manny. Shout out to Manny Orango. Yeah. He's taught me everything I know, everything I relearned. Oh. Yeah. We love Manny.

SPEAKER_09

He's great.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

He's great. So are we gonna get caught up or not? I'm a little lost. Yes. What the fuck is gonna happen?

SPEAKER_03

Not in like a oh, we're gonna go up in the sky and be exempt from hard things and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, kind of just like a, oh, like Jesus is coming back because he won. And then we get to be like, hey. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Welcome back. And then we're off. You know what though? We're influenced by, which might be a little, we're older than Gracie. We were influenced by Left Behind. Oh, yes. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03

Like I missed.

SPEAKER_09

Did you were you around for the house?

SPEAKER_03

I think we have the DVDs in my house.

SPEAKER_09

DVD says everything I get to know.

SPEAKER_03

Sorry, I'm 25.

SPEAKER_09

Um that go get my cane so I can talk to you right now. Left Behind was this book. Yes. You know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

And it was all about being, I mean, shoes left on the floor, clothes folded near the folders.

SPEAKER_03

I know the lore.

SPEAKER_09

Planes crashing. Then they made a movie with uh Kirk Cameron. Kurt Cameron, man. I mean, and that thing was every Bible study for like a year.

SPEAKER_01

That's so crazy to use.

SPEAKER_09

Come on.

SPEAKER_01

A movie as your theology.

SPEAKER_09

Well, it's also you used a mummy, Gracie. Yeah. Don't come from my generation. I need a whistle for the guest to Duan. Um no, but I a friend told me, he read a book, I can't remember what book he referenced, but a lot of Christian ideology about the rapture and also like witchcraft and demon possession came from Hollywood. Like came from these movies. They're like, oh, this is what oh, this is what they're doing. And then somebody would like bring that back to the church and be like, they're this is how they're poisoning and the da da da da.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, or just like something some old guy said like 200 years ago.

SPEAKER_09

It was this cyclical idea. So I mean, um, of these of these idea things that somebody saw, and then they wouldn't interpret or misinterpret and then share and then mingle with something else. So yeah, yeah. Sounds like my social media feed right now. Yeah, like I think a rapture. I say rapture. I'm sure everybody has this picture in their mind when I'm like, yeah, we're all in white robes, yeah, you know, mid-ascension, yeah, in the air. The dead in Christ will rise. So, you know, people are busting out of coffins. I mean, I'm up there with them.

SPEAKER_03

I'm kind of down for the like busting out of a coffin. And that's a wild visual, though.

SPEAKER_09

You know what I mean? You just called Jesus was just like, uh, you know, we're we're doing this down here. You were just saying, though, there was a book that came out 88, 88, what? 88 Reasons Why Jesus Will Return in 1988. That was a real book to me. That was a real book that came out. Yeah. And then when Jesus didn't, well, he didn't come, he wrote a second book. Oh, 89 reasons why Jesus returned in 1989. After he didn't come after 88 years. Right. Yeah. And I don't know what happened after that, but I told him, like, I was telling him earlier, like, dude, if if after that, you gotta stop prof guys. And I asked the question, what's it what's his church like? What's his ministry like 1989? Like, who's still going in 90? Come on, now I'm in the I'm in need for you just take a sabbatical. Oh, take a sabbatical. You're done.

SPEAKER_07

You're done.

SPEAKER_09

I think there's one scripture that says if your if your prophecy does not come true, you are officially a false prophet. Yeah, yeah. Which means you get one one strike. One strike, and you're out. It's not bad. But it takes it just takes a lot of a lot of like something to just say this date, he's coming. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, biblically, no one is supposed to know.

SPEAKER_09

No one's supposed to know.

SPEAKER_03

So kind of silly.

SPEAKER_09

Doesn't stop people from guessing. Doesn't stop you guys in. Hey, I wanted to say uh you wrote on one of the I would say the biggest song of this like Gen Z generation. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03

Goodbye yesterday. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09

She's so humble. She's so humble. She forgot. She forgot it. You were a part of the side. I just read so many lady. Young lady. No, no, that song is everywhere. I'm on tour with an artist and they play that song. I'm on tour with Joe Sadquini and they play it just between sets or whatever. Yeah. And the audience will sing loud and will and that's so cool.

SPEAKER_01

Like they like it.

SPEAKER_09

Um what how is that how does that feel? But also, what are songs that were that you grew up with?

unknown

You know?

SPEAKER_03

Great questions. Um it's I don't I don't know that I think about it often to the point where it like affects my day-to-day life, other than the fact that like I can pay our bills. Um it's awesome, it's really cool. I didn't expect anything to come of it or anything to happen. Um yeah, I don't know. It's just so like it was by chance. It was my first time meeting Josh with holiday when we wrote that song.

SPEAKER_09

Um, great, great, great way to first meet somebody. Yeah. What was the writing like? Did y'all get it quickly? Was it hard to write?

SPEAKER_03

It was very quick. It was, but that's I feel like it just felt like another writing session, which is so funny that it did what it did. But um, yeah, I just we kind of talked for like an hour before we wrote anything, which is I prefer to do that, especially if I'm writing with somebody that I don't know. Um, Mitch was there. Do we all know and love Mitch? Do you know Mitch?

SPEAKER_09

Oh, I don't know. Mitch Wong. Oh I've never met him. Every single song that you like and sing at church in the past three years is pretty much. He's got his hands in a lot of pops. Yes. Yes. I text my other and said, Mitch, I found another song that I like, and I went to see who wrote it, and you're on that one too.

SPEAKER_03

He's on all of that. He's on everything, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Um, do you remember which parts of that song you wrote, melody or lyrics?

SPEAKER_03

I think I wrote the goodbye yesterday line.

SPEAKER_09

Really?

SPEAKER_03

I'll take credit for that one.

SPEAKER_09

Come on, man.

SPEAKER_03

We were talking just about testimonies and like what the Lord's done in our lives, and like for me, I think I was still in ministry school. So like a lot was changing in my life at that time, and like I was learning a lot for the first time, unlearning, relearning. Um and I just talked about who I was like years before, and then who I had become, and we just wrote a fun little song about it.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, that's cool. There's something about music like that where like watching my kids. I think I enjoy music even more now, differently. Watching my kids love something. You know, and that's one of the songs that scream it out when they scream it out. And uh I was getting on an airplane, it's good theology, and I'm like, oh, I want my kids to scream stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03

There were toddlers behind me on an airplane at one time and they didn't know how to say that.

SPEAKER_09

I didn't even know you were there. But it's best you you could you could have scared them.

SPEAKER_03

You could have been like, hey, hey, no, but it is cool, like what you're saying, like singing that theology and and a message like that. It's cool to hear kids sing. But yeah.

SPEAKER_09

What was that for you? Like, did you have what songs did you grow up on that you screamed when you were little? Hold on, we gotta stop and pray for this ambulance. Remember how we pray for everybody? Stretch your hand, whatever's going on. No, no, where they're going, who's in there? You pray for real? Yeah. Okay, I mean, if you don't pray for real, I gotta close my eyes. You gotta let me know you're gonna pray for real. I was kind of being funny, but if you don't pray for real, I gotta curious help them.

SPEAKER_03

I've dated a guy in my freshman year who would always pray for an ambulance or a fire truck. He's transgender now.

SPEAKER_09

I'm gonna let you respond to that because I don't, I don't even. There's you need to explain what you want me to do with that information, Gracie.

SPEAKER_00

Whatever you want.

SPEAKER_09

I think I'm laughing too hard. First of all, that's the wild, those are the wildest two phrases I've ever heard back to back. Yeah. First of all, yeah. He actually prayed for the ambulance that went by. I'm going back to back. That's you going back to back. You did. I would just joke. I would say we did. In the past, we did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you actually prayed. That's so sweet of you. And then this one, talk about she dated somebody that and now sorry. Oh no.

SPEAKER_01

Let's pray. Let's pray for my transgender acts really quick. That's so much.

SPEAKER_09

That's why the correlation is so wild to me. Wow. Yeah. Are you saying don't you?

SPEAKER_02

Never would have expected. Where were we even at?

SPEAKER_09

Are you saying don't pray for people? Or are you saying that's just a result of the story? I don't.

SPEAKER_03

Um. What are we talking about? Oh, you were asking me what songs I grew up with.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, let's go back to that.

SPEAKER_03

Um I grew up with a lot of young and free in youth group. That was my era. Awake, wake. Two different songs, by the way. Yes. Um, I don't remember the titles of everything else. A lot of, yeah, a lot of young and free. Um song Young and Free, though. The stand.

SPEAKER_09

Stands. I love the stand. Classic song.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Um take a take away. I don't remember the title of that one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07

Way.

SPEAKER_01

That was kids' church for me. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_03

Uh Kids on the Move. That band. I don't know if you guys know who Kids on the Move is. I never heard Kids on the Move. They led worship at all of my kids' church camps that I went on. Cool. So a lot of those.

SPEAKER_01

A lot of um I got my toothbrush. I got my pillow. I got my music, my money, my phone. I think I'm ready. I'm old and steady, because I know that I just can't move on without Jesus on my journey.

SPEAKER_09

This is kids on the move. I'm pretty sure. I like that it started off with I got my toothbrush.

SPEAKER_01

That's the pre-chorus.

SPEAKER_09

Okay. But it's then it got to Jesus. I love that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I got my toothbrush, I got my pillow.

SPEAKER_09

I got my music, my money, and my phone. I think we just got told.

SPEAKER_03

That was probably like 2009.

SPEAKER_09

Here's a test though. Veggie Tales?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Okay. So we're still in there. We're still in there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I was rocking with Veggie Tales. Respect, by the way.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03

For your work.

SPEAKER_09

I'm like the Veggie Tales ambassador. Have they paid you at all? Because at this point. I've done some stuff with Vegetails, yeah. Okay, cool. Have you really?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Love TBN. Good people over there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Good people over there. Great folks. Great folks. Um tell me about your walk with the Lord.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_09

So you grew up, your parents are Holy Ghost and Holy Ghost. You know what I'm saying? Legends, right? Legends in the songwriter.

SPEAKER_03

I like to think so.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah. They're incredible. I actually got to write with your dad for the Revelation Records. So honored, he just a really good dude.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

And your mom is an angelic voice. Yes. You don't need to need to tell you that, but in case you don't know, David and Nicole Binion are just um They're one of the few people still standing in Christian music that I can say have been faithful and consistent. Not perfect, I'm sure, as you probably know. Sure you know. But just steady folks, man.

SPEAKER_03

They haven't sold out.

SPEAKER_09

Haven't sold out or anything. Love the Lord.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

So shout out to David and Nicole, being your man.

SPEAKER_01

Shout out to Mom and Dad.

SPEAKER_09

Amazing. Um, but that doesn't mean that you always liked being their daughter.

SPEAKER_03

I funny enough, I did.

SPEAKER_09

Tell me about that. Because I don't hear that.

SPEAKER_03

I know it's rare. A lot of people have like weird, especially if your parents are pastors or in ministry, there's like a there's an unlearning season where you kind of like I don't know, maybe your parents had trauma from how they grew up in church and that affected how they raised you. And I never had that. I think I've always like, I've always admired my parents. They've always encouraged everything I've wanted to do. But they were there like present for every prophetic word, every like I mean, the hardest time I had with them was probably. When I was a legal adult, when I was like 18 or 19 in like a toxic relationship and they were like trying to pray me out of it and I didn't want them to, but they like for the betterment of my relationship with them, they let go and gave me to the Lord and like just let him work it out in me instead of pushing me, and it worked, and it saved my relationship with my parents. So I call them like four times a week.

SPEAKER_09

Oh yeah. That's sweet.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

That's really sweet.

SPEAKER_03

Um at what age do you feel like your relationship with the Lord turned into yours versus probably in ministry school or maybe like right before kind of deciding to go to ministry school? I feel like that is kind of the case. Again, I'm really lucky in the sense that my parents never forced anything on me, never like forced certain theology or whatever. It was just kind of leading by example. And I always, my parents always say your kids will love what you love. So that was always the case. I watched them love the presence of God and I loved the presence of God. Um, but I think in any scenario, when you leave your parents' house is when you have to figure life out for yourself, and that's when you have to learn to lean on the Lord instead of leaning on your parents who are leaning on the Lord.

SPEAKER_06

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Um, so yeah, I would say, I mean, being a legal adult, being in my horrible relationship, kind of learning how to make wrong decisions and how to make right ones, um, and then choosing to go to ministry school was the first time I had like made a decision to follow the Lord in a scary way, like leaving the state that my parents were living in. Um, and I had really intense encounters with the Lord, like on my own, in my room, like not in a church service, but by myself, like I heard the audible voice of God for the first time in my life. It's the only time it's happened. Really? But that happened when I went to ministry school. And yeah, I think it took stepping out and choosing to do something inconvenient for the Lord. Um, but that kind of changed the way I handled life. Wow. I would say that was like, yeah, that was definitely a marking season for me.

SPEAKER_09

Tell us about hearing the voice of God audibly. What was that like?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Uh it's kind of uh ends up being a topic that I talk about with people often because I'll just like throw it in there. Um yeah, I went to Asbury when all that stuff was happening with my now husband.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, yeah. But we were friends.

SPEAKER_03

Is that what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_09

Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, the Asbury revival.

SPEAKER_09

Yes, yes. When you said all that stuff was happening, you have to specify which student.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, all that all that stuff that was going on.

SPEAKER_09

Um I'm a student there now, by the way.

SPEAKER_01

You're what?

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, yeah. Hanging out at Asbury.

SPEAKER_01

You are a student?

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, I am. We'll we'll circle back.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Continue. Okay.

SPEAKER_09

Duan does everything. There might be like five of him. I don't know. I I only see one of them in a room at a time.

SPEAKER_01

Are you guys um Harry Potter supporters? I'm not. Uh Christian in the mind.

SPEAKER_03

That's okay. Okay. There's just there's a movie, there's one of the Harry Potter movies where Hermione has a necklace that takes her back in time so she can go to multiple classes at the same time.

SPEAKER_09

Duan is doing multiple, multiple side quests at the same time. But I'm not demonic though. So I don't know. No, no, no, for sure, for sure, for sure. So she's comparing me to someone who's shakes.

SPEAKER_03

I know demon possessed. That's not you.

SPEAKER_09

Just an adberry?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_09

Okay, okay. Okay. I I mean, I just need to know if I need to stand up very much. They thought you an as berry is the most important thing. That revival. That revival of the case. All that stuff happened. We went all that stuff happened. That was I've talked to several friends, uh, some people who I've met who went there, like, that was real. That was real. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. It's funny because we went and Malachi and I are both pastors' kids, and both of our parents experienced a lot of like really intense revival services when they were growing up. And so I've heard crazy stories like my dad praying for somebody with like 30 tumors in their stomach, and they disappear. I'm underestimating on 30. I don't want to say the wrong number. Um, but that guy's like healed and has a family now, and and that was probably in the late 90s, early 2000s. I've heard all these crazy stories. Limbs growing back, blah, blah, blah, whatever, right? Really amazing, awesome things. I go expecting something like that, and that's not what I experienced. And I was kind of, but this was such a learning experience for me. Where it was I was.

SPEAKER_09

Were you studying at Asbury or were you just go? Okay, you were. I was at a different minute.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we drove a couple hours. We were actually at a Super Bowl party, and we were like, we should just go. And so we got in the car with some of our friends and just drove like however many hours. Um, so we walked in maybe at like 10 o'clock. We left at 3 a.m., I think.

SPEAKER_05

Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Um, it had been going for a few days at that point. But I walked in, you could feel the presence of the Lord when you walked in, but it was, I think, a Methodist situation, right? Am I correct on that?

SPEAKER_09

There, the seminary?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Is a Wesleyan. Wesley.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_09

But yes, Wesley is like a subset of Methodists. Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03

So it was more tame than I was used to.

SPEAKER_09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

And so it was shocking to me because it wasn't what I expected. And of course, the lesson is that everyone, everyone's gonna be expecting me to say this is the lesson I learned that it's not always what you think it's gonna be, and that so many people have different expressions. And um, but the point is, we went, stayed for hours, and we were like praying for everyone there, and you know, it was a it was a whole ordeal. We go back, and on our drive back, we were just talking about how we expected more, and like, but it left us hungry, is kind of what we were all picking up on. Um, and so we drove straight to our school because we had a prayer set that morning at like seven or eight, and so we were like, let's just go an hour or two early and just pray before anybody gets there because we wanted to keep pursuing the presence of the Lord in the way that like we thought we were gonna reach some sort of breakthrough or have some crazy encounter while we were there, nothing really happened. Um, so we get to this prayer set, and I don't remember if this was we did this multiple times, which is why I'm saying I don't remember if this is when this happened. Um, but I'm gonna act like it was so that I can tell a cohesive story. Um, my friend Chris opens his Bible to like start the prayer set off with just reading scripture and he read Psalm 51. And when he opened his Bible and read it, like I felt this heavy presence like fall in the room. Like I physically was like getting lower to the ground. And every time he read it, or I think I asked if I could read it, and I just read it over and over again, and the weight of the presence of God in the room was so intense. And so we realized we had received like this impartation of hunger from going there. And so I was telling my dad the story, and he said the same thing happened to him at the Brownsville Revival. He went coming, like his dad was a healing evangelist, so he like saw the dead rays when he was 13.

SPEAKER_06

Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Um, so he had experienced a lot of crazy services and crazy miracles, and so when he went to Brownsville, he was expecting something similar. Are you both familiar with Brownsville Revival? Yes. Okay, you never know.

SPEAKER_09

The Brownsville thing. Yeah, a bunch of stuff happened.

SPEAKER_03

Um, but he went, and that was huge. Yeah, fully expecting to have some crazy encounter with the Lord, but left feeling the same way. But when he left, like right after that, is when him and my mom met Tommy Tenney at their church.

SPEAKER_09

Tommy Tenney?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Yes. Do you know any of this?

SPEAKER_09

No, but I read a book. Is it God Chasers?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Woo! They did, they toured, they did the book tour with him for that. And they led the worship. Yeah.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Shout out Tommy Timmy. Tinny, man.

SPEAKER_03

My dad was with him when he was writing the book. They were traveling while that was happening. And Tommy would like, it was such an intense season of their, but all that to say, him going to Brownsville catapulted like this hunger in him. And they met Tommy, we're traveling. Yeah. Um, Tommy would just like all of a sudden, they would start talking about the presence of God, and like he just start weeping at like the dinner table and have to leave pretty regularly in that season of their lives. Wow. So um, yeah. Anyway, it definitely my Asbury experience was similar to my dad's experience in catapulting this like intense hunger for the Lord and a different understanding of what it is to be in a relationship.

SPEAKER_06

Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Because that whole season for me, like it was encounter after encounter, which eventually led to me hearing the audible voice of God. We had like gotten home. I think we drove to Lee University because they were also doing like an all-night prayer thing. And so we went to Lee and we came back, and all my friends were sleeping on my living room floor because we had another prayer set at like five in the morning that we were all gonna go to. And um I was sleeping on the couch, everybody was sleeping on the floor. I laid on the couch, unable to sleep for like two hours, and it was raining outside. And I felt like I was like physically paralyzed in like the fear of the Lord. I was afraid to, for two hours, my body was like tingling, like this crazy feeling I never felt before. Um and I was like afraid to open my eyes, but I was afraid to close my eyes because I felt like I was gonna see something or something was gonna happen. And I felt like in my head, I was hearing the Lord say that he was like coming closer. And um after again, after two hours of laying there, I'm laying on my left side and my right ear got super hot. And I heard the audible voice of God like talking in my ear, say, I'm here. And I had a vision, an open vision. This is the only time this has ever happened in my life. This happened to my dad multiple times, where he'll like wake up in the middle of the night and like go into some crazy vision. Wow. And I always wanted to experience something like that. This was the first time this had ever happened. Um, in the vision, I was walking into this big house with Malachi, and um we were we were approaching this door, and he's telling me this story as we're walking up of cutting his son's umbilical cord. And I was laughing, like he's laughing, telling me the story, like it's a funny story. And um I said, I know, like I was there, like telling him he's told me the story before. So we walk inside the house, and that was kind of the gist of it. And I woke up, I I was awake, but like I come out of the vision, like gasping for air. It was so short, and I didn't understand anything about it. And I was like, the one time I could have heard the audible voice of God, this is like it was just bizarre to me. And so I crashed right after that. Like I slept, I felt like I got hit by a truck, and I told Malachi about it the next day. He's like, I had the craziest experience last night. We were just like brother and sister, bros. He had really long hair at the time. I'm like, I'm putting we were just like bros. We were bros.

SPEAKER_09

He wasn't thinking I'd like to.

SPEAKER_03

Putting dry shampoo in his hair while I was selling her.

SPEAKER_09

Were you trying to be bros? He liked another girl. Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_01

I should I say this publicly?

unknown

I don't know what you're about to say.

SPEAKER_09

He said, I don't know what you're about to say.

SPEAKER_03

I if you liked another girl, am I allowed to say the other part of that publicly? No, my side of it. Okay. I had a crush on his brother.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, got it. Yeah, plot thickened.

SPEAKER_03

So it was very like not the vibe. He knows.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, the whole family knows.

SPEAKER_09

This episode has a lot of layers. Yeah, a lot of layers.

SPEAKER_03

So it was definitely like not on our minds. All that to say, it definitely wasn't on either of our minds. Wow, okay. And um, yeah, so we just like became best friends in that season after that. And I remember getting so frustrated, like six months after I had that encounter, because I was like, okay, I don't know what that means. I don't know what I'm supposed to do with that. Like it was the most marking thing because it personified the Lord in a way I had never experienced. Like actually hearing a voice attached to this idea that you've had your whole life. Um, yeah, it was frustrating to me that that encounter led to that vision.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And then it all clicked into place when we got married.

SPEAKER_09

So now would you say you know what it means, or is it still unfolding?

SPEAKER_03

I think it's still unfolding.

SPEAKER_09

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

But the fact that he was there.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But I think it's still unfolding. It probably will continue to for forever. But yeah.

SPEAKER_09

What's that verse that says, uh, the vision is for an appointed time, and uh basically it won't come back void. I'm combining two scriptures. Yeah, you are.

SPEAKER_03

Sometimes the word of the Lord, whatever, never comes back void or something. And then the other one, I don't know that one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

But I read it. Yes, yes. It's the thing, right?

SPEAKER_03

I read the whole thing.

SPEAKER_09

Well, it's it's interesting that God will speak something, and then years later, in the meantime, we don't know what he's talking about.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's happened like time and time again with prophetic words. And I grew up in so many prophetic circles and people saying things that I can't use. It's cool too. Like, I received a lot of words when I was maybe 19 or 20 about like letting go of old friendships. And that didn't make any sense to me at the time. And like people not being able to come with me where I was gonna go, and then not until like four years later did I like go back and listen and be like, oh, yeah, that's happening now.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I have a question. You mentioned a relationship that you're obviously out of. Yeah. You're married now.

SPEAKER_03

Praise God.

SPEAKER_09

But I have a feeling that there are people watching and they're in a relationship and they're wondering, please ask Gracie how did she know to get out and how she got out?

SPEAKER_03

If you think that maybe you should, you should.

SPEAKER_09

Got it.

SPEAKER_03

For me, um, I've had a few boyfriends, and there was always like a little voice in the back of my head, like telling me that it wasn't gonna work out. Um, not all of those situations were as bad as this one specific one. Um, I think there are scenarios people can get in where you don't realize you need to leave as bad as everybody else realizes it. Um also listen to the people who love you and care about you. Um I'm very uh I'm I'm what's the word? Like bullheaded, stubborn.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, so if someone tells me not to do something, I'm probably gonna do it. Um, or vice versa. So it took a while, but I think the Lord used every step of my journey to be able to, like, I just wrote a whole breakup album about it. And um, the songs are still coming too, which is so crazy that it was like five years ago, and I can still write so many songs about it, but I think it is unto that purpose of like for people who are stubborn and need to hear exactly what they're going through from someone who's not afraid to say something about it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, yeah, I don't know. Sometimes you need something that cuts a little deeper.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah. So I'm hearing you say some signs of I should get out are family and friends are like run.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Probably some type of discernment conviction in your heart that's like, this is not right. Is there anything other like behavioral?

SPEAKER_03

I'll give like a practical thing too, because I don't think I was listening to practicality at that age. I was just like, well, I love him or like I care about him and I don't care if he's going through this or whatever. Practically, if you are having to drag him out of the mud or like pick somebody up and carry them, like that's not your job. It's not your job to parent any significant other, especially if they're seven years older than you. So yeah, or if they're doing cocaine. Wow.

SPEAKER_09

So sheesh.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Wow.

SPEAKER_03

Get out while you can.

SPEAKER_09

Get out while you can.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

But it's real though. It's hard it's hard if you care about somebody and you and you feel especially when you watch them fall into a dark place. I was about to say, were you were you dating when all this was going on, or it happened while you're dating?

SPEAKER_03

It happened while we were dating.

SPEAKER_09

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

But I didn't know a lot of his past. And he was a lot older than me. So he had lived a bit longer and had experienced a lot more. Um, but yeah, it kind of gradually happened. So it sucks when you're like you saw them in an okay place and then you watch them and you believe like that's not your job to wait around for unless you are married.

SPEAKER_09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

And even then, if someone is not treating you, there's so many layers to that. There's so many different scenarios.

SPEAKER_09

You're not committed to someone in that stage unless you're married to them. Yeah. You unless there's a ring on your finger and public commitment, yeah. You are not called to call somebody out by a relationship. You can pray for them.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

You can be there for them.

SPEAKER_05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_09

But I for a majority of my life, anytime I heard anybody talk about stuff, you know, relationship stuff like this, I'm gonna be like, you know, uh, I don't, you know, I don't know what to I don't know what to say. Yeah. I don't know what if you what you said is good or bad. But now I have daughters and sons, and I'm like, I know I I know at one point they're gonna walk through dating and relationships. And did you I know you speak about this on Instagram a lot, like you've posted about it. What has the response been? Uh and also had are there enough young people, older people in the space talking about stuff like this? Like I feel like most times I would say when when I hear about relationships and marriage and especially parenting on social media, man, it's just like yeah, hey, here's how we do it, here's how we're perfect at it, here's how we do date nights.

SPEAKER_03

People who have only ever done it successfully, or like who are like, make sure you marry a godly man, but there's no like I went through the opposite scenario. You don't hear people talk about it, I'm sure people are talking about it. I just haven't heard them talk about it.

SPEAKER_09

Um, but if I don't know gray area, there's no like middle, there's just the the best, and hey, the worst, I got out, you know, and then there's like, okay, but what hap what what else? What else?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, I get, I don't, I'm really bad at responding to messages because there's bad ones mixed in there, and so I try not to sure, yeah, like look at things, but I do get a lot of messages from people. Um, in regard to a lot of the things that I'm not afraid to talk about. Like right now, it's talking about secular music. People will respond and talk about how like the Lord used that in their childhood to bring them out of a dark place or whatever and into a place where they can receive from worship. Um, people have said similar things about relationship issues. And I remember getting in a full-blown conversation with this one girl. I haven't talked to her since, but she was like asking me for advice on I think how to get out of a relationship she was in because she had seen me share about it or something like that. Or she had, I think she had been in an abusive relationship in the past and she was in a healthy one now, but she was having a lot of trauma responses.

SPEAKER_06

Got it.

SPEAKER_03

And I like sent her video messages and we were like talking back and forth. And so, yeah, I mean, again, like I don't have the capacity to always respond because there is a lot of negative. Um, but as long as I know that if I'm being like completely vulnerable and honest, someone is receiving from it, I'm good, you know?

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, like we said, your parents are worship leaders and you lead worship, but you're also working on music that's not necessarily I would say is worship music, but not church, corporate, yeah, yeah. Gathering music. Talk about that. We got to talk about this at a camp recently where you're kind of wrestling with uh do I put all the music under the same name, my name? Do I make another artist? Is it the same label? I'm just curious, like, where are you with that conversation? Putting out music that's for church and music that's maybe not for church.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so when I talked about growing up in prophetic circles, um, that pertains to this as well. Um ever since I was like 13 or 14, I've been receiving prophetic words about um leading worship, but also releasing like mainstream love songs or breakup songs or whatever, which is you don't hear very often.

SPEAKER_09

I feel like not as a prophetic word. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03

Most of the time people are not gonna, even if they think they sense it, yeah, they're probably not gonna share that because maybe they think they're wrong or whatever. Um, but yeah, since I was a little girl, like people who don't know each other giving me the same word about doing both simultaneously and keeping it separate. One specific word I received was um that I was called to, I don't remember the exact wording he used, but basically that I was called to worship and called to mainstream music as well. And songs where people don't know who I'm singing about or whatever, but like the Holy Spirit's still in my voice or whatever. Um, and to keep those things completely separate, to not dilute the other. And we were talking, Leland was in this conversation and he used words that I use often to describe this. Um, if you know you're called to carry both and you try and combine it into like a CCM, whatever, because you think that's what makes sense, you're diluting both of what they're supposed to be. Um, so it's been a journey to get to where we are because it's not um it's not common and uh a lot of labels won't champion you in that because it really hasn't been done before successfully. Um so not yet. Not yet.

SPEAKER_09

And I get it from their standpoint it's like different market audience, different budget, different playlists.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

And if we if you come out with a worship song called I Love Jesus, the market might be a great title, by the way. Hey, hey, you can have it. This she's crazy. Um That's hard for a label to market.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

And I get that. But it's not impossible.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

And as soon as one person does it, everyone's gonna be like, oh, I knew it. I knew we could do that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

So kudos to you for going forward and believing in what God calls you to do.

SPEAKER_01

Thanks.

SPEAKER_09

And from what I know about your voice and your writing, you'll be just fine.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you.

SPEAKER_09

Such a good songwriter.

SPEAKER_01

Thanks.

SPEAKER_09

Such a good singer. And you're writing from a place of truth. This is not a story you heard from someone else. You're like, I walked through this. This is how God brought me through.

SPEAKER_03

It's a matter of sharing testimony.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, yeah. And there's power in that, man. There's power in that. Um, what are you working on that you're excited about?

SPEAKER_03

Oh. A few things.

SPEAKER_09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

I actually just did this, will be out by the time this is out, but I just did a Spotify singles thing.

SPEAKER_05

Cool.

SPEAKER_03

Um, I it was a worship thing. I it was like me and Cece Winins is doing one as well. And then another artist, I don't remember. Um just you and the queen. Me and the queen. We didn't sing together. Um, but she was one of the other artists picked. So when I saw that, I was so cool. Hey, loved the most marking thing I ever saw from you was your post with her. Oh, yeah. When you did like a was it like a doves recap or something?

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, I did like the doves recap. Pictures of 20 pictures of me and CC Wine I didn't after party.

SPEAKER_03

I said, This man gets it.

SPEAKER_09

That was the highlight of the Dove Awards for me, man. Yeah, yeah. I loved it. It was beautiful. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, all that to say, I did a cover of Forever by Carrie Job, and I'm super stoked about that coming out. We kind of made it fit me a little bit, which is cool. Um, I have an album coming out. It's called Miss Misfortunately. A lot of people spell it wrong or say it wrong. Um, that is the title track. It is a mainstream breakup album.

SPEAKER_09

Wow.

SPEAKER_03

And what style?

SPEAKER_09

What do we what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_03

It's very rock and roll, which is what I grew up listening to. My parents also did a very good job of letting me listen to the music I loved. Without, of course, like, you know, sure they cared about the message and all of that. But as far as like sounds and like how I wanted to express myself, I was always a big Paramour fan from the wee age of 11.

SPEAKER_09

Um, but yeah, I mean, that's not a stretch of the imagination, but it makes so much sense.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Haley is like she's insane. Is she still doing stuff?

SPEAKER_03

She just put out a solo album. She did.

SPEAKER_09

Cool. Have you got a channel? Have y'all met?

SPEAKER_03

No. And so many of my friends have, like, because she like lives here, I'm pretty sure. And I've never even seen her in public. Wow. But I think I would pee my pants.

SPEAKER_09

So let's make that happen. Growing up church kids, we had a goal. We're gonna hook Gracie up with Haley from Paramount. Because we know her so well. All of our friends are connected to her. I like how much faith you have in the community. Hey everybody, let's make that happen.

SPEAKER_01

Hey, everybody, let's, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

I said that like I have influence and ways to do that, and I do not. But uh, you never know, it's the internet, man. Um I appreciate the how you talk about the Lord and also your art. Because I think for a long time, I don't know, there there almost needed to be this emphasis on one. I don't know, you know, we're like, ah, I don't want to do it. But it's like, no, I think we can do more as Christians, but you could, it's visible that you love the Lord and you've heard from him, yeah, and you want to create great worship songs, and you also want to create songs.

SPEAKER_03

That's like the siren that goes off. Whenever I tell people like what I'm doing, they're like, worried that I'm not gonna lead worship anymore. Or like, that's the the thought that comes to their mind that you can only focus on one. We're fully like I'm about to start writing another worship album. We're doing both at the same time. Wow, it's really cool. That's really cool. No one's ever like let me do that, but that's my I have to like yeah, I have to do both.

SPEAKER_09

That's great. Um, really quickly, just because a lot of prophetic stuff is under attack right now for reasons that we maybe shouldn't get into or should. I don't know. He's looking at me like he like I was just gonna say if you give me a few minutes on Facebook, I will give you a prophetic word. How much are you charging? Give me five seven hundred dollars. If you give me a Google search engine and just a couple of minutes, I will give you a prophetic word. But I just need some time. I just need some time. I can't do it right now. By the unction of the Holy Ghost. I need a few minutes in the back. I need a few minutes to compose my thoughts, his thoughts? Yeah, not mine. Right, right. I'm laughing because it actually is ridiculous. It is let's just let's just say this for the record, for clarity's sake, it is ridiculous that someone would make someone believe that God is speaking to them because you researched them online. That is the furthest from a spiritual gift that you can possibly go. But you're but you're right, though. That that what that did was kind of devalue. That's what I'm saying. Well, that's why I'm asking Gracie about this. Because your story is pure, your story has heart and the spirit of God in it, but I already know people are gonna hear like, well, what if somebody told her?

SPEAKER_03

Hey, I've met the bad ones. The big one.

SPEAKER_09

Um I'm gonna let you take I'm gonna let you take the next statement. Yeah, I I just I don't know. I don't know anymore. I I think we should we can and should talk about things the Lord has given us and shown us and done in a way, but I think there's so many people who have who have abused it to the point that there are like even with you, there's this like you're young, there's this almost like I'm not not in a derogatory sense, like this naivety about it, the way you talk about it, where I'm like, I want to I should talk. I wish I could talk about it. You know what I mean? Where it's like this, hey, I've got to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03

I've received weird words. Yes, I've received words from strangers on Instagram, yes, whose username is Prophet of the Lord, and they're commenting that I'm gonna burn in hell. Like I've you know, I've seen it all. Um But we I will say we have like trusted friends who are prophets or who operate in that gift within my lingo. Um, but I don't listen to everything that comes my way. Yeah. I think a lot of people just like take things at face value or like will watch prophetic words on Instagram or Facebook. Yeah. Um I'm not on there. Um, and just believe whatever they're reading online or whatever they're seeing. Um, for me, like when I talk about prophetic words I've received, it's people who have like been in our lives for decades, who know my parents, and like my parents have seen words that have been spoken over them come to pass decades later.

SPEAKER_05

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Um, so I definitely don't like listen to the random lady that comes up to me at church and tells me like to take my nose ring out.

SPEAKER_09

Um Has somebody said that?

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_09

Did she throw did she say thus say it? Does say it the Lord?

SPEAKER_03

She said God told me. Okay. And then I was with a friend at the time too who had pink hair, and she was like, I just woke up in the middle of the night just praying for you, and I just feel like you need to like change your hair color. She had pink hair. Anyway.

SPEAKER_09

Um So pink was better than than blue. Well, what what what what color was your hair?

SPEAKER_03

At the time, I had a buzz cut.

SPEAKER_09

Got it. No prophetic word for you.

SPEAKER_03

No.

SPEAKER_09

No. Got it. Got it. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03

That's when she told me to take my nose ring out.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03

But not grow my hair back. Interesting.

SPEAKER_09

I mean, I think there's so much to unpack there because that's not trivial, but compare that to someone saying, I I had a dream last night and you're gonna have a baby.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

You know what I'm saying? Like, I had a dream last night, you're gonna find your husband.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

That I mean, that's like people actually walk up to people and they say things to them.

SPEAKER_03

I'm lucky enough to be in the position where usually if we're in those circles, we're guests, and if some weirdo comes up to me, I'm walking away. Or like someone will know, like, let's go, let's go this way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't get exposed to that very often.

SPEAKER_09

Well, my question is how do you still tell your story with such purity and encouraging tone, knowing that there are charlatans and crazies out there, and without being like, because you at no point, Gracie, did you start your story with, now I know this might be weird, and no one you started with I heard the voice of God, I got a prophetic word, it's coming to pass.

SPEAKER_01

I did have a moment where I was talking about it where I looked at both of you and you're both like, and I thought, damn it, I think I'm insane right now, but I want to keep talking.

SPEAKER_09

No, I I I appreciate that about you. And that's you may call it stubborn, I call it courage and boldness that God has given you because you you could care less what we think about you.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Well, that's what I was gonna say. You brought it back up. I think it's just my personality, honestly. I don't have any tools for anybody. I just have a hard time carrying what people think.

SPEAKER_09

Two fault. Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

I mean, that I mean, I think there's something about that that we can learn from.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

It's like if we know God has spoken to us, whether it's our personality or not, yeah, we can in church lingo stand on that word and believe that's what God told us, even if literally the prophetic movement as a whole is getting shot at right now.

SPEAKER_03

I also think there's practicals to prophecy. Now, of course, when you're like lying and I mean that's weak. I mean, yeah, that's I'm not even like I Yes, a lot. But actually, I have a funny story about that. I'm not gonna Okay. That one specific man. Okay. Um, but I won't go there right now. I'll tell you later. Okay.

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Offline.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Knowing the Lord my entire life, reading the scripture, it is so deranged to me that somebody would make up something that he said. I mean, that's that's about as worse as you can get. Do you know what I mean? That's about as worse as you can get. It just doesn't I feel like I'm just so careful. Yeah, easy as well. Even with myself, you know what I mean? Like even with myself, with how I when I read the you know, even the words in red and yeah, the the the Lord, even in scripture, that the fact that it still bothers me, and God help me, you know, God help me, God help us. Because I think there are a lot of us who when when people when people talk like that, like I didn't mean to like look at you appalled, but when people talk like that, like I heard the audible voice of the Lord, there's a part of me a lot of us we're like, did you here we go again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, there's like, no, that happens. Yeah, it has it has to have happen. That happens, yeah, yeah, you know. Um that we've we there's this other column that a lot of us have just put everything in kind of to it automatically of like it's yes. I mean, it's hard for me to believe it sometimes because of history and because of current affairs, but the category I put it, I put it in, if I'm going to be a Christian, that means I believe that a man was born from a virgin. Right. And that man opened blinded eyes and raised the dead. And that man got out of a grave. And I can't believe that he can't talk to you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

That's small potatoes for him.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Right. In that context, of course he talks to people. Right. And of course, if we're in a family or in the church and you're discouraged, of course he's gonna have me say something to you. Yeah. And we call that a prophetic word, but we we could just call it an encouraging.

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Right.

SPEAKER_09

And so I I guess I'm trying to help people, maybe if they haven't heard people our age talk about this, we can say in the same podcast, it is terrible and it is evil for a man to manipulate anyone for the sake of profit by means of a prophetic word. Absolutely not. However, God speaks to his people. Amen. And God speaks through his people.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

And we may, it's okay to throw out the evil and still hold on to what God is doing.

SPEAKER_03

I will say my husband and I talk about this all the time because we're both around a lot of prof prophetic people.

SPEAKER_09

Um prophetic or prophetic?

SPEAKER_03

Both.

SPEAKER_09

Okay. They usually hang out together. Yeah, yeah. For some reason.

SPEAKER_03

For some reason. They end up in the same room somehow. Um, prophecy always uplifts and it always edifies. This is a practical tool for anyone. Um, I never receive anything negative or anything like condemning me for something or telling me, well, you better be careful of this. Because that's not how God's gonna speak to me, and that's not how he's gonna teach his prophets to speak to his children. It's always going to be calling out the gold, and calling out the gold will cause you to see the dirt.

SPEAKER_09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

That's kind of I try to take prophecy and look at it through that lens. But wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

And it usually affirms or confirms something God is already working on it.

SPEAKER_03

It's already gonna be in there. I know so many people who will like hold on to something that some prophet told them at some point, and it's like eating them up inside because they're like, I'm doing something wrong, and I don't know if this is gonna happen or not. And like, you don't like it's just not no, no, no, it's not legit.

SPEAKER_09

That's really good, Gracie. I think prophecy comes to edify and encourage. Prophecy should conform, confirm something, conform. It should confirm something in your heart that God is speaking to you. It should also be in line with scripture and church history. Yeah, like God's not gonna tell us something that he has not already revealed in the earth already. It might be a new form of it. For example, we haven't seen somebody do secular and worship music at the same time. Yeah, but the overall banner is I've given Gracie a gift. Yeah, and she's gonna use that gift how I want her to use it. Um so yeah, I I think it's okay to discern what's the scripture say test the spirit to see if it's of God. Um yeah, we got in there, but hopefully our generation and younger won't throw away prophecy because of how we've mishandled it in our generation. It's still a still a very valuable gift. Yeah, yeah. Um, anything else? This has been great. I mean, you This has been fun. I you you I think you have been the most controversial guest I've had.

SPEAKER_01

I love that.

SPEAKER_09

I think your vocabulary has been the most controversial.

SPEAKER_01

I love being controversial. That's one of my favorite things, actually.

SPEAKER_09

So at the same time, I have a friend, shout out to Kirsten at church, who would love to meet you. And I say that to say because a lot of people look up to you and your music and your ministry, and yes, your parents, but yes, you. You have done and written songs that are changing our culture. And I'm sure you're just getting started. I'm sure there'll be many, many more. Um, I remember seeing this video that went viral with What a Beautiful Name. Have you seen this thing? Yeah, oh man.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, yeah. Will you sing it for us, Shawma?

SPEAKER_09

Like, come on, don't do this.

SPEAKER_01

Just say sing your version of it.

SPEAKER_09

Have you told anybody how that happened? I'm sure people have asked you, but yeah. Um what song was before it?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, what was it? Oh, we were singing No One Like the Lord.

SPEAKER_09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Into What a Beautiful Name. I don't remember what the set list was like prior to that.

SPEAKER_09

Oh, oh, oh, oh. The chord coming out of Known Like the Lord.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

There's no one like the Lord. That chord is what started it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

And then, but how did you that's on the record, by the way.

SPEAKER_03

I did that in soundcheck right before, but it just occurred to me while we were singing the song, and I was like, what if what if we did this?

SPEAKER_09

You did the beautiful name lyric over that?

SPEAKER_03

Yes, over those chords the day of the set. But I was also in a at the church we were at, we kind of had to come up with things in advance, like the day before, whatever, because of the structure it was like. So I kind of made this practice of praying about whatever, because that's so not my I don't like doing that.

SPEAKER_05

Sure.

SPEAKER_03

Um, but I would make a practice of praying before rehearsals, like Lord, if you have anything you want me to do in this set, like let me know. So that's how that happened. And then everybody was like, Oh, when I did it.

SPEAKER_09

You have no arrival, it's not the original melody.

SPEAKER_03

No, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

So you heard the chord, grabbed.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't even recognize that it was the chord. I think I just started singing it.

SPEAKER_09

But I'm telling you, musicians know the musicians are like, she took that chord, took a lyric and a new melody, and sang that song.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Thanks. I love watching people comment, like asking what the chord progression is, and then other random people will comment what the chord progression is.

SPEAKER_09

Yes. It was really special, and I was so inspired when I saw that. I'm like, that takes that takes spirit and skill.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you.

SPEAKER_09

Like, I bet God has dropped stuff for people that they could not execute, and then people have execution that they don't hear from the spirit. You got both in that moment, which is why you're one of the greatest.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you.

SPEAKER_09

Greatest worship leaders of our time. It's also seeing people excited about that. Like you're talking about the comments. To me, I'm like, okay, there is a bigger force at play here than yeah, than just talent. Yeah. Yeah. Like a song. Yeah. You know? You could feel the room go, oh yeah. It was like, this is we have access to something that no one has ever heard before over a literal.

SPEAKER_03

It's a really powerful feeling. There were hate comments.

SPEAKER_09

Really? Yes.

SPEAKER_03

There's hate comments in everything, though. And I've come to like, I'm in this, I'm in this place of like learning to ignore it instead of like, I hate being misunderstood. I don't mind being disliked, but I hate when people misunderstand like my character or think that I'm so like a lot of the comments saying that I was like performing and like I was making it about me and all this stuff, which is again so not my goal. I like refused writing a worship album for years because like the thought of selling worship was like gross to me.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So being misunderstood in that way is always like it's something I'm having to like overcome and just like let the Lord deal with it. But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Could you feel it in the room though? The the the power of God.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I usually that is like a tell for me before I do anything different or straying from a cellus, I will have to feel like a burning in my stomach before I do something.

SPEAKER_09

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

So you're prophetic. That's what it is. You hear God. There she is. I received that. Well, Gracie, we've been doing something with most of our guests where we play a game.

SPEAKER_04

Okay.

SPEAKER_09

And um, did you grow up doing like Bible bowl or sword drills?

SPEAKER_03

I grew up watching people do them.

SPEAKER_09

Okay. Where what were you doing when they were doing this?

SPEAKER_03

Watching. You didn't participate. Not volunteering. Not volunteering.

SPEAKER_09

Got it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_09

Well, I I I want to try trivia.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_09

Because I feel like you love God.

SPEAKER_01

I do.

SPEAKER_03

I do.

SPEAKER_09

I feel like you know the Bible too.

SPEAKER_03

I kind of, but when people ask me qu I've read the whole thing. But when people ask me questions, or I'll try to like recite a Bible story. I'm telling it completely wrong.

SPEAKER_09

I just want to let you know that your love for God and your knowledge of the Bible are the exact same thing today.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_09

If you don't get these questions right, I I don't I don't know if I can support your Christian shirt. So just let me just let you know. That's this high state game.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Um Sister Hannah is gonna read a question that none of us have heard.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_09

And we're gonna do our best. I think all of us get to answer the question. And the one who has the most correct answers wins the game.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Let's see how this goes. All right. I felt like as a in in the Protestant space, you're like, I got I feel like I gotta check that box. And so what's up? Not everybody read the whole thing. Everybody ain't able. What do you want? What do you want from me? I read it. You don't understand it? Like, oh I died by Reddit. I read it. Okay, Miss Hannah, what you got?

SPEAKER_03

Who was the first king of Israel? No, I'm not getting that one.

SPEAKER_09

First king. Oh, I know that. I know that. Go ahead. Uh Saul. It was definitely Saul.

SPEAKER_01

Is that true?

SPEAKER_09

First king of Israel was definitely Saul. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, because the whole thing, like they want a king. God said you shouldn't get a king. They were like, we really want a king.

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Oh.

SPEAKER_09

They found him among the donkeys.

SPEAKER_05

Okay.

SPEAKER_09

We should know this. We read, we've read the thing. We've read the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03

It just feels like the too obvious answer. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, yeah. Maybe it's a trick question. Hannah?

SPEAKER_03

You're probably right. The answer is Saul.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_01

Does he always get all of these right? We got it.

SPEAKER_09

We won. Um, this is only the second time we played this game. We we normally do the Bible show, which we can do with you too, but you gotta find the Bible verse as fast as possible. Yeah, I know where they are, kind of. Kind of. For the most part. There's only one way to find out. I know the general areas. It's through a chat challenge. Bible challenge. Okay. Question number two, Sister Hannah.

SPEAKER_03

How many plagues did God send on Egypt? Seven or ten. Is it ten?

SPEAKER_09

No.

SPEAKER_03

I think it's ten.

SPEAKER_09

I'm going for ten.

SPEAKER_03

Because I just watched the mummy.

SPEAKER_09

Very good. Very good. Oh, yeah. Was that that doctoral biblical documentary? I could be wrong. I could be totally wrong.

SPEAKER_03

But I feel like I've guessed me and Malachi will play Bible trivia sometimes. We've done it maybe like twice. I say we do it sometimes twice. Okay. Um and I feel like I guessed seven. Okay. And I was wrong. Yeah. So I'm gonna guess ten.

SPEAKER_09

I think it's ten. I think I want to say nine, but let's let's see.

SPEAKER_03

The answer is ten.

SPEAKER_09

Okay. You love God. I knew she did. I knew she did. I felt the Holy Ghost with Gracie said that ten is correct. All right. I knew it was a nine, by the way. I just wanted to, you know, I just wanted to make y'all. Whatever. Don't lie. Don't lie. You probably combined. Don't lie, Church. Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Who were Noah's three sons?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, they have weird names.

SPEAKER_09

Shem, Ham, and Jeff.

SPEAKER_01

Japeth? Jay Fit. Shem.

SPEAKER_09

Shem Ham and J and Jay Fit.

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J Fith.

SPEAKER_03

J A P N I knew there was a I knew there was a meat in there.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah, Jay Fit. A meat is crazy. Turkey, ham, and sausage.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, turkey ham and pork, actually.

SPEAKER_09

They were delicious, right?

SPEAKER_01

Shem, ham, and jaypesh.

SPEAKER_09

Shem and peth?

SPEAKER_01

I think I said that. Okay. J peshie did.

SPEAKER_09

Yeah. So you get 33% of those points. That's great. That's great. That's great. But do you know which nations came out of Shem, Ham, and J Peth?

SPEAKER_03

No.

SPEAKER_09

We had a guy come to our church one time. His whole ministry is on how the whole world comes from the three sons, which is true. But they're based on like this son will war against this son, which is why black people fight against white people. It's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_05

What? Hold on. It's a great topic for us today.

SPEAKER_09

How did everybody feel after this message? Well, it was all black people. Okay. So you can imagine. Yeah. Great. Because it was like, they ain't from my family. I don't know if I subscribe to this theology, especially when you're using it to separate people into clans. Yeah. Yeah. No pun intended. So I don't know if that's if that's what he was trying to do. You did remind me though, there was a time where churches would just bring out like just a random speaker once a year. Yeah. And this dude would just do three nights back to back on Daniel and Revelation.

SPEAKER_00

You mean revival?

SPEAKER_09

Yes. Yes. Yeah, but it'd be like scary. Like you didn't leave encouragement. Yeah. He's hearing about the four horsemen and the and the pouring out of the da-da-da-da. And the rapture. And the the crush the head.

SPEAKER_03

I did grow up with that.

SPEAKER_09

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

You missed out. You missed out. I think my parents probably did. My dad, definitely.

SPEAKER_09

Well, hey, congrats on a year of marriage. Thanks. Is it has it crossed a year?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. A year in February.

SPEAKER_09

Happy anniversary. Congrats on that. Thanks for coming on the show, man.

SPEAKER_03

I love both of you. It was an easy yes. Oh, thanks for coming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09

Looking forward to hearing some music. We'll make sure to put her music down in the description as soon as it's out. She's got a lot of stuff out already. Obviously, she wrote goodbye yesterday. But who needs elevation when you're Gracie Binion? Man, she got her own stuff going on. And uh make sure you like and subscribe to the show. We got more stuff coming. But we're actually gonna have Gracie sing some songs. And uh I hope she's got fire in the belly for these songs. Because if she don't, then it might happen.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know.

SPEAKER_09

We should pick a different song if you don't have fire in your belly yet. Think about it. Um thank y'all for watching. Uh we close the show by saying, God is good.

SPEAKER_01

All the time. All the time.

SPEAKER_09

Okay, she knows. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. So let's do it. God is good all the time. And all the time. God is good. God is good. We know that. But have you read the Bible?

SPEAKER_01

The whole thing. The whole thing? Yes. Front or back.

SPEAKER_09

The whole Bible. All right. Peace, y'all.