World of Dreems Featuring TROOL22 | Open Palette Podcast | Episode 15

In Episode 15 of the Open Palette Podcast, Brian Camacho sits down with internationally recognized graffiti writer, muralist, and Scratchiti pioneer Trool22 for a conversation that goes far beyond walls, paint, and style.

Centered around the theme "World of Dreems," this episode explores what it truly means to build a life without creative boundaries. From graffiti and murals to entrepreneurship and global collaborations, Trool22 shares how he transformed his passion into a career while remaining authentic to the culture that shaped him.

Together, they discuss the evolution of graffiti, the power of artistic freedom, staying true to your vision, creating opportunities instead of waiting for them, and the importance of continuing to dream no matter where your journey takes you.

This conversation is for artists, creatives, entrepreneurs, and anyone striving to turn their passion into purpose.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:04

Life is the canvas we paint. Yeah. Opening the dialogue, removing the barriers and restraint. Uh-huh. It's the open palette, insight, access, and the human story. The palette is open. Open now.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Welcome back to the Open Palette Podcast, where art, culture, and community come together through real conversations. I'm your host, Brian Camacho, and this episode is brought to you in partnership with the Museum of Graffiti's Artist Studios. Big shout out to our sponsors and big shout outs to each and every one of you who've been tuning in week to week. We do appreciate the love and support. We do ask that you hit that subscribe button. Make sure to like, comment, share, and subscribe. Now let's get to it. As today's guest is an artist whose work challenges us to pay close attention to the world around us. Through graffiti, murals, sculpture, scratchy art, and education, he's built a creative practice centered around curiosity, imagination, and connection. Whether it's a message hidden in plain sight, a mural that transforms into space, or a project that inspires the next generation of creators, his work reminds us that art has the power to appear where we least expect it and leave a lasting impact. He's an educator, community builder, founder of World of Dream, and a multidisciplinary artist dedicated to expanding how we experience creativity. Please join me in welcoming my good friend, Truel22, to the Open Palette Podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Welcome, my brother. What's going on? What's going on? I just want to say what's up, and I appreciate you guys inviting me coming through, you know, coming through my uh laboratory and uh showing you my little anheld over here, my little hideaway. So um I appreciate you guys coming through and for the invite.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

Thank you for having us here, and thank you for allowing us into your space. But let's get right to it. Let's talk to the people, tell them a little bit about yourself, where you're from, how'd you get your start, and who's the artist behind the artwork?

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Well, first, um Ridgie from uh that I think so far. I'm Reggie from this planet, you know, and and I'm from uh from Brooklyn, cultivated and uh not raised like cattle. Um, but um yeah, um, you know, I'm here, man. I've been in Brooklyn and Bush, you know, todo mi vida. So, you know, I'm just here, you know, and I'm here to I've been I think I was put here to give back. So I'm here to learn, teach, and everything else in the good life.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

So that's what's up. That's great to hear, man. It's it's definitely been a blessing being able to encounter your work and seeing the work that you've been putting out for the people to be able to enjoy. What is the message that you care for the people to perceive when they encounter your work? A lot of your work is placed in discrete areas with powerful messages. I want to speak to that and the purpose behind that and what what this represents for you as the artist. Well, I can't curse and say certain things.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

This is like a a family show. I am.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

No, you can speak your mind. This is a place, this is the open palette podcast.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

But uh be yourself, please do so, sir. I think what I want what when people look at my stuff or the stuff that's flows from me and created, you know, is uh like uh holy poop, you know, like you know, like like I want I want I want people to be like, yeah, what the f he's doing here, you know what I'm saying? Like, how did it happen? Or I mean I don't know. I like hidden messages, you know. I think this whole world is hidden messages, so I'm just adding mine. That's all.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

That's what's up. And you as a multidisciplinary artist, you've uh an artist who taps into multi, you know, many different lanes, whether it be sculptures, as these amazing pieces that we have in front of us. Let's take this all in. These tables, talk to us, man. You got these light sculptures around us. Um aside from that, you got these amazing fine art pieces here. How do you find time and balance to be not only a disciplined enough artist to be able to represent yourself across the board, but remain within that vein and understanding of your branding, your representation for yourself as an artist?

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Um, it's funny. I was actually uh talking to my cousin uh from Bandanzia, and uh we're having a discussion, and everyone's talking about what's their market, what's their person, what's their their group of people they're trying to reach. Um and my and everyone picked out a group. Everyone picked out a group, everyone picked out a group, and especially in this industry. I want this I want these type of people to be down with me or these type of people to be watching me. But at the end of the result, I want the world. I want the world to be watching me. So when I create my artwork, whether you whoever comes in is gonna leave liking something. I don't care who comes in, someone is leaving liking something. I don't just make one type of art, you know, like most people, I don't say most people, but you'll notice some people that just make this thing over and over, and there's not so they can do. And I'm here to open minds and and hearts and imagination. So, you know, I most of my artwork, my brand is variety, it's expiration, it's the universe, you know, and it's what comes out, you know, it's natural, it's not like something I'm really planning. A lot of my stuff I don't really I plan, but at the moment, and I started like formulating like MacGyver, like the art MacGyver, you know, and I'm pretty good at that. So my work is um, and it's not work, first of all. My art is not work. Uh, I love doing this. So um, so when I create, I like to push the limits and see what I can do, you know. So this right here, these tables and laps is a waste. I mean, you just throw it in the garbage and on to the next. It's recycled, of course, but I'd rather recycle it for useful um purposes, not just this, just same with just you know, you make art, you show, oh my god, that's nice. But if you can make art that's usable, you know, you're making it functional, you know what I'm saying? It's is I think to be to me that's just fresh, bro. Like you're really using the the your surroundings, you know. So I use these beautiful pieces to me. The it's just cans, but to me, they're like they're they're beautiful. And if you could just design it away, and and I got some new stuff coming out, you don't even get coloring it, you know, like it's a it's a blank canvas, you know what I'm saying? For sure. Like people paint on it and stuff, and like uh it's it's awesome to paint on, you know. You got the dimensions, different dimensions, and but anyway, so I like dimensions, it's not it's just more than two, three, three D's like it's 4D, 50s, it's a lot of dimensions in this world.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

It's it's bringing the people together and connecting with the artwork and of course, man.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

In anybody, bro. Like, I want anybody, I don't care who you come in, someone's gonna come in here liking something. I swear to you, nothing. It's happened before, you know. So my brand is everything. I want everything, I want the world, I want the universe.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

And speaking of brand, world of dream is is the brand that you push and the message that you stand by. Yes. Let's talk to that. What does World of Dream mean to you? What is this mission and its purpose?

SPEAKER_02 7:05

Dream is my daughter's name, actually. So I created it uh over 20 years ago. So we promote people, community, people that don't have chance that have a chance. So even if they did it for the first time in their life, we give them that first try. If they, you know, whatever it is, you know. So we always say don't give up on your dreams. So you can make your dreams a reality if you choose to. And that's our that's our motto.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

That's just that's that's a fact. I mean, community is very important. Each one, teach one, and together, you know, we can we can make the world a way better place. And to see the work that you've been doing through and through, year after year, I myself am a testament to it. As a young brother, um, looking for my, you know, trying to find myself out here in these streets in Brooklyn. Um, I definitely can say I'm a young cat who you took in and um showed the way. And it's very important for community leaders to step up and you know, give that hand up, give those lessons and teach to the younger folks the way. You know, a lot of us at times are lost. A lot of us don't have the guidance, and we're out there crying for it in many different ways. Um, so I myself here, I want to say I am always been grateful for the work that you've been doing and the opportunities that you've given uh artists like myself and others around, all while being an artist yourself and you know still putting out and producing work. The work that you do is very selfless, and um, I mean, at times it can be very draining on the mind, the body, and things in that manner. How how do you find balance to be the artist that you are, the leader and the community that you are, the designer, the sculptor, etc. etc.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Everyone needs an outlet, bro. An outlet for sure. My outlet is this, right? My my everything is this, you know. Like I spend a lot of time alone, so it's like my happiness, anger, uh being mysterious, getting into trouble or not, you know. I I love everything, you know. Like, why stay doing one thing at a time, you know, and learning one thing, explore everything, you know. I'm I'm I'm I'm not I'm not I'm self-taught. You know, I took art in junior high school, I took drafting in in high school, and I was top on both of them. Never took art before. I don't think it should I think it should be expressed, not not constructed and telling people what to do. I think it should there's a formula, of course, of art. There's a formula, everything has a formula, but not to fucking put people in boxes. Sorry for cursing, not put people in boxes. You help them a little. So when I teach, I teach, like, yo, just I'm trying to help, I try to open up that individual's mind instead of telling them to put this line here. I try to get them to be free first and then let's put that together. That's great. Not not this, oh, you can only do from here. No, just what do you think? What do you feel? And then let's formulate it. Not I don't know, be a free thinker, be different, be a free-spirited artist. And and you know, I I I I definitely could have probably learned quicker with art, you know, if I went to school, of course. I guess it's a formula, but now you got Google and all this shit, you know. But for me, I just love learning, just trying.

SPEAKER_03 10:17

The school of YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

Yeah, basically. And all of a sudden you got a degree, you know? For sure. So, but I mean like I say it's just you know, I'm trying to get to the digital art thing now. I gotta start doing that. But I'm not gonna so anyway, I love doing things by hand. The feeling is different, you know, like doing things by hand is it just feels it feels different than just doing things digital. No disrespect to anyone doing digital. That's right. Um, it just I don't know, it just feels different, you know.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

You're a self-taughtist, so for you, it's a different process, it's a different way of life. Your your your approach is different from a classically trained artist, right? As they say, right? Uh, you know, somebody who went to school for this. Your approach, your process, your method to your madness is unique. And for those who know you, like myself, know that you're very meticulous with your work and the processes that you put together. Let's talk to that. Um, let's speak for why there's so much time invested into this work.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Time investors work because it can't be a waste. Everyone has a purpose in life, you know? Whether you're a professor, whether you're a teacher, a student, a piece of shit, whatever you are, you're you're meant for something. Either if if you're a piece of shit, you're meant to inspire someone else not to be a piece of shit. You understand? It's meant to be somebody or to encourage someone else. This is meant for more, you know, like when you said earlier, you said uh how to balance you give certain things up, you know, and I admit I got an emotional because I was thinking, I was like, you know, I gave up time with my child with my daughter and my family because I wanted this and I will still want it, because this helps me. But I I'm alone most of the time. I'm not alone, but you know, it's just it's different. You could be with a crowd of people and still feel alone for sure. You know. So when you say with love, it's like this is important, because you know, you can't feel like you gave if I give this up right now, bro. I wasted my whole life. Literally. So I can't give this up. There's a purpose. And I'm here to to share and to to to teach and to to to be a student. I'm a student of life forever, you know what I'm saying? But it's like I chose this, I could have chose a different route. For sure. You know, I I went to technology, I graduated with technology. I don't even go to technology, I went straight to fitness and swimming and everything else, and I loved it. For the rest of my life, I love, and it's not even a job. I never I I worked all my life, but it it's not a job. This is not a job. This is something that I love. You know what I'm saying? Beautiful. My whole life, I I feel blessed that this is what I've been doing, and and whatever's going around around me is is is guiding me to a point. I just, you know, like I say, you know, you can't force people to say, you know, like gonna see when you see children like this, yeah. I want to be this. Most people say, Oh, you you can't do that. You gotta be a doctor, you gotta be a fireman, you gotta do this, you gotta make a fucking pension, you gotta what's happening, you know what I'm saying? Like, but then you kill their dream.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

It's the rat race. It's the rat race. You get caught in that.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

But you kill the child's dream at an early age.

SPEAKER_03 13:22

For sure. Yeah, that's a fact. With regards to your art, have you ever had somebody's reaction and an appreciation to your art that has changed your vision on life?

SPEAKER_02 13:31

The Johnny Pumps, you know, coloring the Johnny Pumps. And my theory is uh it's called the the uh the watercolor uh project because the water's coming out of the pump and it's colors that I'm painting them. So the theory is to create emotion while walking around when there's nothing around but just a color, just colors and how you put it in. And nothing through, yeah, color theory. That's dope. So, and color combinations is all about color combinations, that's just one colors. The right colors could change. Anyway, so I did this. This I did about a hundred Johnny pumps in Bushwick. Unknown, so people started finding out. Uh, and then when people started finding out it was me, people were just thanking me because they became emotional or started thinking, or they got them happy. So the theory was if you're walking around, if you're sad or angry, once you see that pump, that color, it'll change that emotion for that quick second, and it would change that thought or change that feeling, and you'll forget. And it was right because people came up to me and told me, which is crazy. But anyway, that helped me solidify the things that I dream or think or imagine or whatever the case may be to make it life. Because it's to see something that you're thinking come to life and you're making it happen, and you hear the reactions is like, yo, this is real. I was literally changing people's emotions in the streets. Yes, what's up? You know what I'm saying? Not just graph, just coloring the Johnny Pumps, yeah. All different colors, and you know, anyway, so yeah, so it solidified certain things for me. So I was like, you know what? I never really left. You know, I've always been around, but doing different things in the culture. Yeah, I like like I said, like my artwork. If we did one thing, people know that's this dude, that's it. But I've done so many things, people don't know that I did that. They think somebody else did it. It's because of the styles I have.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

I have too many, I have different styles. Is that now is that a gift and a or a curse? Uh I personally would say at times that can be a curse. Because ultimately, you're out here putting time, effort, and energy into this work that doesn't resonate with you as an artist. Where here, what we see in front of us aligns with your messaging. Not saying that the project did not align with your messaging, your purpose or your mission, right? But how is one going to be able to understand the connection? That's the most important part for me. That's just my opinion. When I speak to artists, I'm I'm telling every artist the time, the energy, and the effort that you put in should all coincide.

SPEAKER_02 15:49

120%. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 15:51

It should realign back to the individual that's putting that time and effort in.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

120%. I believe it.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

Um if it's something if it's something that you went out to do with the intent for them to not know, then that's excuse me on over speaking on that. But please elaborate for us and tell the people that that thought process, that energy, and what those purposes are, aside from the emotional connection and you know, the memories that you're inflicting into these individuals.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

I do this for a purpose. I mean, at first, yeah, everybody already said it's doodling in school, you know, junior high school, whatever. Elementary school, you know? And then when you take it serious, take it serious for the either for a certain amount of time. I guess I took it uh I don't say professionally, but I took it in more than just elementary school, you know. I kept it going. Um but I wanted something different, you know. I didn't, you know, uh I don't know, I just I like different, and people didn't like different, especially growing up.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

It was uh always been an outcast, I see, huh? You've always been somebody very unique.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Yeah, very I was very much an outcast, but uh I I found a way to survive.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

That's what's up to literally survive and um through the work that you're putting out, what is your ultimate goal? What is the end result that you seek here? What is the legacy you lose? Oh, yeah, so yeah, going back to that.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

So everyone wants to be here forever. Everyone. Oh, I want to live here forever. I want a statue made, I want a book, I want a movie, I want this, I want to be known forever, right? Everybody wants to be known. Every fucking sorry, every person. Now you gotta be started, bro. Every person wants to get known. That's what they do all the YouTube, the podcast, all that. Not saying that you know, but I'm just saying everyone wants to be known, okay? But understand it's about longevity, consistency, and how you mark things. It's about how you mark things. So the way I mark things is very different, going back to what I started with. I mark things very different because things in the culture I'm in gets erased very quickly. So what I was doing was very different. I wanted to be like a caveman, which that's my AKA, Mr. Caveman. To last longer and be here for as long as I can. So what I did, I carved as much as I can into the world. The way I carved and and the way I do it is different than most people. And I've done it in here, I've done it across the country, I've done it in a place where people would never think of. So when people see my shit, I want to think, oh mother, how did how is he here? I want people to stutter the way I stutter. You know what I'm saying? That's why. I don't care, I don't need to put my name right here where you're ready to see, uh, look at me. I don't care about that. That's not my thing. I love cutty spots, I love all that shit. You know why? Because that shit adds up. All these adds up. And as much work as you put in, all that will add up. So going back to the brand thing, I'm trying to put all this together, going back to the brand thing, I am the brand. So my brand is this, this is what I've been doing this whole time. So if it it's it's different. You're right. I do different styles. But in this, and everything I wear and doom has my logo and has a hidden message. And that's how it's always gonna be with my clothing in my art. That's what's so even in the streets. And then people know after a while, oh, it's this dude. Because then they noticing the styles, like, oh, it's this dude that did this. It's this one, because now I I created kind of my own style.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

Correct.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

In my personally, yeah. So when I see other people do certain things, like, all right, whatever, it's homage. I guess I learned as it's homage, but or whatever, you know, but I appreciate it. But it's people know what's the people that know now. That's all I'm gonna say, you know? And I'm not the best, and I'm always gonna try to be the best for myself. I'm my own competition, first and one. Most people have issues or whatever. I'm like, I don't care. I don't have time for that.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

That's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

It's all about positive energy, you know, it's always been like that, and about love, you know. So if it's not that, don't I don't want that around. I don't, I want, I want that around me. I don't want nothing else but that.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Positivity, peace, you know, because this world needs that.

SPEAKER_02 19:56

For sure. That's why I get emotional, and that's why I always get emotional because it's not just this art, bro. This is real. This is like, this is healing. You know what I'm saying? For sure.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

With regards to your name, Troll22, what are the origins of your name? Uh it's supposed to be troll.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

So like a troll doll.

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Troll doll. I spelled it with two O's.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Um, and the 22 was to represent uh the the old school because the old school had like numbers in the ending of their name. For sure. So it's to try to keep that tradition going, you know what I'm saying? Um, so and then you know, after I cut my hair, it became like a it was troll 20, then it became Truel, and then it was cool because it sounded like it was rhyming. So True went to school 22, you know. So um, yeah, and then it became an acronym, you know, um, truly respectful, open, outstanding, and full of life. So, or love, it's what it's it's an acronym, you know, and it's what life should be. You know, you should be truthful, you should be respectful, you should be open, you know, you should be outgoing and you should be full of love and be in this life, you know. And 22 is like, yo, keep it going, you know. And 22 is also the it's mathematics. Uh, you don't want to go into it because then it's like you know, it see the numbers go also with my logo, okay, is mathematics, you know. All right. So two and two, or two parents, two children, then evolution. You know, it's just it's just it's mathematics, right? That's a fact. That's what's up, you know. So it's not just a logo, it's not just art, it's a connection. Every piece has a connection with me. So it's hard for me to sell my stomach as a connection. It's not just that, oh, let me do some art. Oh, here you go, $5,000. I'm giving you some of my spirit. So bless me. That's a fact. But people want things for free. They don't think they don't know that the creat that creating creating itself is a million dollars.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Because if you can create well, there's no money value for it.

SPEAKER_02 21:44

There is, but I'm just saying, because I'm saying, like, like this dude that just go to the computer and like, nah, bro, I'm creating this from here. I'm not, and I'm like physically making it like a mother. I I am the 3D printer. You know what I'm saying? I'm doing this shit, you know what I'm saying? I'm the 3D printer, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 22:00

It's y you you put in your your time, your energy, your love, your blood, your sweat, your tears into it, bro. So for sure, I I speak to a lot of artists who who who it's hard for them to separate from the artwork that they create.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

It's very, very hard, bro. Yeah, it's very hard.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

But you are definitely an artist that I've I've had these conversations with where it's like find balance, find that separation. But ultimately, I've I've heard you out and understood where you're telling me like this is not just me selling the piece, this is literally a piece of who I am. So I I totally respect that and that and understand that for sure. Um, once again, speaking of the different mediums of art, you you take different steps in each one, but you you solely always have a message in each form of art that that you're producing, whether it be through your sculpture work, whether it be through your canvas work, as we see here with the fine art that you've created, as well as to the scratchiti work that you've put out, the work that you spoke of, that you've carved throughout the world. What is the what is the end result with these projects and this and the end purpose for what you have going on?

SPEAKER_02 23:07

Um, the only purpose is, you know, like uh if I can't get a statue in, I'm definitely gonna get the carving in. You know what I'm saying? Like the the the the caveman left the mark. They find it years later, whatever. You know what I'm saying? That's a fact. So I am that future caveman. You will find my name all over the world in the way I've done it. And trust me, it will happen because the way I've done it is a different form. That's and is is it's not even a different form, it's been there. I just added to the I just added you know to the food. You know what I'm saying? I'm just that special ingredient that that that that I'm literally that off ingredients that came in and added something. You know, that green that they didn't want in the sauce, I came and spiced it up and they oh shit, just tastes kind of good. You know what I'm saying? But is this it's just I'm a sub uh I've always been the subculture of the culture. What I do is not the mainstream, you know what I'm saying? It's not it's always been a subculture, you know. So some people never understand, and some people that do, they do, you know what I'm saying? But it's like this is literally a subculture, and and I love it. I'm not and I loved it. Um but you know, it's it's I'm here because I I I want to make a statement, and I want to be here as long as I can, even when I'm not here physically on this earth. And so it's like a long-lasting same thing with the brand. It's not just trying to do a brand like everybody else. Oh, let me do a brand and last for like a year or two. I'm trying to make a statement and have longevity. I want longevity. Whether I'm here or not, I want my brand to have longevity. And only to have longevity is to have the people with you and be consistent and be honest and be and be right and be humble and be positive and have love. Like that's the most important to me. You know what I'm saying? I know everyone could cut through this, make it to the top, but bro, as make it top, you can easily get chopped down. That's a fact. Me, I'm a seed, I got my roots planted all over strong on the earth. And the wind comes, tries to knock me down. I got my grip. I got my roots down. You know, I'm on my there, you know, I got my roots in.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

That's that's beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

I'm part of the earth, bro. You know, you get rid of the earth, you get rid of me. If you're not getting rid of the earth, I'm here. I'm part of the earth, bro. That's it. You know, and the universe. So I'm here and around, I'm gonna be here. You know, you could be sitting in a train and be like, oh, there you go. Nice to see you. I'm just saying, and it's unexpected, you know what I'm saying? These are things that we just I don't want to waste time. I don't want to say, you know, what I do, what we do, and the community waste time. I we all want to be here, we all paint, we're spending our money or racking or or or off the bat, you know, and it helps us, but we people say you grow up. You're fucking you a kid in a grown body, that's all you are. And they tell you when to grow, they tell you, they breathe. No, but they you lose who you are, bro. You use your kids and now, bro. You get so we keep that going. Keep that, you know, but keep that youthful energy alive. And this is important. Like people need to express themselves, whether it's writing, talking, video, whatever, but in a good way. You know what I'm saying? For sure. It's not using someone, you know. You gotta really utilize and understand, like, yo, we can help each other, not take advantage of most people, you know. I don't see most people, but not most people.

SPEAKER_03 26:43

I feel you, but yo, it's definitely a pleasure. Thank you for your time here today, man. What are some parting words that you like to leave the people here with?

SPEAKER_02 26:51

Don't give up on your dream. And I know people say it's a cliche, like literally, like you can make your dream a reality. You know, I'm still trying, you know, and not even trying. There's certain things in my life I made reality in like dreams. Like, I got a seed. That was a dream. She's a dream, she became a dream, that's it. Any you can make anything happen if you want to. There's too many distractions. Just keep focused, be consistent, be persistent, and respect yourself, respect others, love yourself, love others, and have peace within yourself. And if you need healing, bro, just look for some healing. That's right. We all need healing in life, you know? So that's a big fact, man.

SPEAKER_03 27:32

Speak it, you know, find somebody to talk to. Find somebody that you can express your emotions and your pains to, and just let it out, people. It is very important that you find that friend and or or even seek that medical attention if need be. You know what I mean? It is very important. And art for us has been the outlet and the opportunity for us to be able to express ourselves. And and for and to be honest, not and when we speak of art, not not every form of art is just a paintbrush. I'm a multidisciplinary artist on multiple levels. I can't pick up a paintbrush and do what my brother here does. But with all due respect, I'm sure there's things that I can do as an artist that he can't do. And that's why we need to help each other stand together side by side to build our communities and uplift our people together. Because each one teach one, and together we win. And that's the message that I like to leave here with today as well. I want to thank you for your time. Thank you for the opportunity, for you opening up your space and your palette for the people to connect with you here, man. Once again, thank you for tuning in. Thank you for joining us here on the Open Palette Podcast. We'll be back on the next one, y'all. Peace. Peace.