Voices From The West: Sean Macgurie ft. Mick Mellamphy

Welcome to The Outlaw Haven podcast! In this episode we have the wonderful opportunity to talk with the wonderful Mick Mellamphy who plays Sean Macguire in Red Dead Redemption 2!

Check out the Sean Macguire Collection here! https://the-outlaw-haven-podcast-shop.fourthwall.com/collections/sean-macgurie-collection 

Mick’s Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/mickmellamphy/ 

Mick’s Cameo- Michael Mellamphy – Bio, Birthday, Age, Video | Cameo 

Mary- https://www.instagram.com/mischief.maari/ 

Our amazing intro is done by the amazing Shaniqua Romeo-Davidson!

Shaniquia’s Twitch- https://www.twitch.tv/shannyretro 

Shaniquia’s Instagram- https://www.instagram.com/shannyretro/ 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Uh if you wrap it back for the old canceled, the matter for that life lawyer. Loudest, loudest, not sweatless, little gunny galaxy, everything like it. Let's tell the tale. No crap lens, no speech with the just good stories.

SPEAKER_03 0:45

He's a good little digital act.

SPEAKER_05 0:46

Yeah, I know. That was like one of the things I because it's like all of its um Donegal in the game, but I'm like, that's not a Donegal accent.

SPEAKER_03 0:56

You're dead right. And you know, my excuse there. There's no excuse. John likes to fib his way in and out of places. He uses his charm. He uses his wit. And in that particular scene, when he was trying to sneak Arthur into the manor house, into onto the grounds there of Breakwick Manor, I think it was. He had to use every little bit of charm and wit that he could. So he started clumossing, as we say in Ireland, about being from the lovely hills of Donegal. And sure, the poor feckin' MC who got it in the end didn't have a clue where Donny Gall was or Dublin. So that's that's what the true story was. You're the first ones to hear the story out of the horse's mouth.

SPEAKER_04 1:34

Well, there we go. Thank you, Shaniqua. We before we get started today, we need to do a couple shout-outs. Uh we want to give a huge shout out to our friend Chanika Romeo Davidson for today's intro and likely more upcoming intros. She's a talented voice actor and Twitch streamer, and her username is Shani Retro on Twitch and Instagram. We also need to give a huge shout-out to Mary. Her uh Instagram name is Mischief Mary. She did some thorough research for today's episode and was very kind enough to give us all of that information. So big shout-outs to them. They're great friends. Go follow them. And also, Mary is a very talented artist.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

So insanely talented.

SPEAKER_04 2:26

Check her out.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

Mary's awesome. Mary traveled all the way to Cork in Ireland to see me in a play last year, which I absolutely loved. And she got to sit next to me, Ma and me dad.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

Oh, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

Yeah, it's great to see her.

SPEAKER_04 2:40

She just went on a trip to Ireland like a week ago. Yeah. Oh, didn't see me. She did. I didn't see you. I was so jealous.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

We just booked a trip to Ireland there yesterday, myself and my wife Jessica, who I'm going to give a shout out to because she supports everything I do and I wouldn't be doing any of this if it wasn't for her love and attention and care. We all need supporters in our lives. Um so yeah, Jessica and I we booked our trip home to Ireland this summer, yesterday. So everyone's going to Ireland. We're all excited.

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Nice. Take me with you, right? I need it here.

SPEAKER_03 3:12

You dad's gotta go. You'd love it. They'd love you there. You'd have a great time. It's only six hours from New York. You go up, you have a cup of tea, and all of a sudden you're home and it's great, and there's sheep everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 3:25

Perfect. Okay, so let's start with Mary's research here. What we have on Sean's timeline. Like I said, it is thorough appearance. It's like we know that this game is fictional, but like Mary took it so far. Her dedication to the assignment is unmatched. So this is what we have written. Born in the mid-1870s, growing up in Donegal, Dara, Dara, Dara, Dara, Dara, Dara. Dara Maguire.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

My pronunciations are gonna be so bad for this, but by the end of this, you'll be absolutely perfect and you can fly straight to Ireland and you won't have a problem.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Perfect. Lovely.

SPEAKER_05 4:14

That's exactly what we need.

SPEAKER_04 4:17

Dara Maguire was a known Fedian with a history of crimes against the Empire. In the 70s, he gained a reputation as an Irish Republican politician. As stated in the newspaper clipping, the Imperialist of London, eventually his activities forced him and Sean to live a life on the run. The two end up in Clifton before ultimately fleeing to America. The father and son ended up in Boston, where Zara was murdered in June of 1889 in his bed, according to Sean. He was then put into a reform school. Then he met Dutch and Jose in a bar somewhere in North Elizabeth, where he fixated on a big fancy pocket watch that Dutch had. He was hungry and hadn't eaten in three days. He was planning on robbing them both and followed the two of them out of the bar. Sean claims that he would have shot them both, but the bullets were missing from his gun. He started laughing, crying, and just when he thought that they might just kill him, Dutch and Hosea took him in, fed him, and brought him into the gang.

SPEAKER_03 5:11

Sounds about right, except I do have to take a little bit of umbrage with um call him my dear old uh a criminal fighting against the empire. I'm sorry, but Darren Maguire was a freedom fighter. He was not a criminal, he was a freedom fighter fighting for what he thought was right, fighting for his people. Um, and I think that certainly had a great influence on young Sean Maguire, who ended up fighting alongside the likes of Dutch and Jose for what they believed was right and their opportunity to eke out a better existence for people like themselves, fighting against the system. Yes, the system will always call you a criminal when it doesn't suit them. But uh, yes, that's uh that's my opinion right there of that. And whether or not he was born in Donegal, I'm not sure about that. Maybe Darrow was. Darrow might have been from Donegal, but I kind of get the feeling because they moved around quite a bit, you're on the run, fighting against the evil empire. Um, you probably would have spent a bit of time in Dublin, which is uh where the the crown would have sat in Ireland, that would have been the capital of Ireland during the 1800s, and it still is to this day. Um, and if you ever visit Ireland, a lot of the old buildings are still there, uh they were all built by the British Empire because Ireland we only got our independence officially in the early 1820s, and we only became a republic in 1847 or 1849. So we're quite young, we're quite a young republic, and if you compare us to the United States, the United States is turning 250 years this year. Ireland became a republic in the late 18 in the late 1940s, so you know we're still quite a few years away from our first centenary as a republic yet. So, yeah, Sean would have spent a lot of time in Dublin, I believe. So that's all I have to say about that.

SPEAKER_04 6:58

She does talk about um the Irish Republican Brotherhood, often referred to as the Penians and organization dedicated to the establishment of an independent democratic republic between 1858 and 1924.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

Yeah, that the Irish the IRB would have been the forerunners to the IRA. Um the IRA is what the political way it was the part of um the new the was was one of the splinter groups during the Irish Civil War, which happened um right after we got some form of independence from Great Britain in the early 1820s. Um so the Irish Republican Brotherhood would have been they would have been active in America as well. There would have been people in America uh working um on behalf of the IRB in the late 1800s, uh sending arms back to the back to Ireland in the the whole struggle for independence. So, you know, we talk about Red Dead not necessarily being a piece of fiction, but the thing I love about the game is that they actually draw on tons of factual historical events uh to create this world, you know?

SPEAKER_04 8:04

Yeah, they really did their research.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

Yeah, big time.

SPEAKER_04 8:07

Yeah, she said uh this is the organization and political affiliation that would have been most likely held by Dara Maguire and is essentially or is essential to understanding many of the beliefs and ideas that Sean himself also references. Like she talks about how the politics were something that were very important to Sean, and that's why she talks about she has like four pages of wow I think essentially everything that you've said.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

Um I did me research for the part as well, you know.

SPEAKER_04 8:38

I can imagine you did great.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Yeah, I don't know if I did that much research, but uh but no, it's great in the game, like you do, you see. I mean, the the whole history, the whole idea of manifest destiny and going forth out into the wild west and kind of creating your own creating your own destiny. That's a huge part of what the Vanderling the gang is. Um I love the fact that the game brings you into the world of the suffragette movement. You know, you you talk about emancipation for black people throughout the game, and you know, it shows you kind of what was happening in the country, how we were treating um Native Americans at the time, um, and just the whole creation of you know what this country was becoming in the post-Civil War years. I think it's it really is, it's more than just a fun piece of entertainment, it's it's a great piece of art that just bundles up so much history into it, and it makes it really accessible for a lot of people. Very true. We the Irish government is actually really great at supporting artists, both in Ireland and all around the world. So anytime there's any you know dignitaries come to New York, they're very good about inviting artists and actors and people to different events. And when I got to do when I went to a meeting with my with former uh president Michael D. Higgins last year, I brought along a copy of Tor's book signed by him, and I gave it to the president. So, yeah, that's sitting in his library in Dublin or Galway or wherever he is now. We have a new president in Ireland now.

SPEAKER_06 10:09

Very cool.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

So it's really cool. And the other thing about Michael D. Higgins is uh he was a poet. He's a poet and a writer. That's that's that's what I love about back home. We we elect people like that to represent us.

SPEAKER_04 10:21

Sounds like Ireland really supports artists.

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Yeah, yeah, well, you know, it's it's I mean, it makes sense, you know. You can't really go too far anywhere in the world without hearing somebody singing an Irish song, whether it's Bonno or Sinead O'Connor or Dolores Reardon or someone like that, or kneecap, who are really popular at the moment. Um, you know, with Jesse Buckley winning best actress recently and Killian Murphy Best Actor last year. Um, Ireland has been kind of exporting artists for decades. Um and it is kind of our little superpower is culture, whether it's storytelling, theatre, film, animation, music. It's something we love and it's something we share. And when you do go to Ireland, both of you, I think one thing that's going to really strike you is everywhere you go, you hear music. There's music literally everywhere you go. So yeah, we we we love our artists. The Irish government has actually brought in um a project over the last couple of years where they have started giving artists um a salary to be artists, where artists, I think, yeah, I think they get 350 euros a week. So instead of going on unemployment while you're working on your art, you know it's means tested, but yeah, you're I think they pay up to 1400 euros a month to supplement you creating your art, whether you're an actor or a writer or a playwright or a poet. Um all right.

SPEAKER_04 11:47

Well, I'm gonna go book my flight now.

SPEAKER_03 11:49

Book your flight, yeah, and become an Irish artist. But I mean it makes sense if you think about it because that's that's kind of what our currency is around the world, that's what we're known for. Um, and you know, for every time somebody goes to see an Irish play in New York or see some piece of Irish art that's brought from Ireland to the United States, it encourages people to go to Ireland to spend money as tourists. So you know, they I think they reckon for every dollar that's spent supporting artists in Ireland, I think it comes back like there's ten dollars spent in return for tourism and people wanting to invest in Ireland, so it makes sense, you know.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

That's really cool. Yeah, so speaking of Irish artists in theatre, yeah, you've been very busy in theater since Red Dead.

SPEAKER_03 12:43

Yeah, it's it's you know it's funny, it's um it's what I went to school for. I grew up in Ireland, I grew up in Cork in the south of Ireland, and I always wanted to get on stage. And since I was eight or nine years of age, whenever there was a school play happening, I was there auditioning for it, and I would get up there on stage, do my bit, learn my songs, and then when it came time to choose what I wanted to do after secondary school or high school, as it's called here, I just wanted to go to drama school and learn all about it, and I did spend a year in Cork studying, then I went to Dublin for three years and studied in Inchicore in Dublin, and I just started auditioning and working on plays. I came to New York. Um, I came to New York 26 years ago tomorrow. Oh wow, yeah, May 1st. Um and I just fell in love with New York. I got a job working in a bar, and while I was working in the bar, I would audition. I would put plays on in the second floor of this bar and invite all my friends and invite customers from downstairs in the pub to come up and see stuff. And then I started working at theaters like the Irish Repertory Theatre here in New York and with other theater companies. Um, and it's just something I've always done all my life. Um, you know, it's it's just like any other kind of career. It's when you look back at it, it's when you kind of start to realize, okay, yeah, I've done quite a bit, and gradually I just started doing more and more, and eventually ended up getting an agent and auditioning more and more, and got a few ads, a couple of little TV shows here and there, one or two scenes, and then all of a sudden I got this audition to audition for Rockstar, and I I ended up being very, very lucky to work with such a brilliant company in a cast. And since the game came out, yeah, I've been doing nothing but a lot of theatre, which I absolutely love, it's where my heart is. Actually, the first play I did after Red Dead Redemption 2 had finished was um a play called Guy Walks Into a Bar uh with none other than Roger Clark himself. The two of us ended up doing a play together at a the Irish center in Queens.

SPEAKER_04 14:50

Um which Roger is also from Ireland.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Roger is, yeah, he's from Sligo as well. We're everywhere, you know, there's Irish people everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yeah, I know there's a lot of Irish on the cast.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Yeah, actually, there's a month, there's a lot more Irish people living in America and all over the world than there actually is in Ireland, which is the funny thing. You know, we're one of those kind of countries, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:09

So I just learned something recently, thanks to Zai. You weren't the original Sean.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Yeah, apparently, yeah. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_05 15:19

Yeah, there's one version of I think Sprigishalele that isn't done by you. And when I heard it for the first time, it scared me so bad.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

I have to listen to that. You have to send that to me.

SPEAKER_05 15:35

Yeah, I'll uh can you play it, Zion?

SPEAKER_03 15:37

I actually because I did sing that, I did record it.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

Yeah, I can see if I can find it.

SPEAKER_04 15:41

Oh, yeah, there's your versions in the game, but there is there's another version. One of like the cut content that you can find, and it's the other Sean. And it I I kind of cried a little when I first heard it. I was like, that's not Nick.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

Oh my god, that was so much better. Jesus, they might not have killed them off so quickly if they kept on it. Yeah, I never I didn't know that I didn't know that there was one out there. I did know that there was somebody else who played the part, and um, and you know, with these things, you just it's a lot of this is luck, and sometimes things work out, sometimes there's other factors where it just isn't, you know, somebody else might have a different gig or something to be replaced. I don't know why that was, but um, but like I said, I was very lucky to be called in off the bench, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 16:28

You know, did you find it, Zai?

SPEAKER_00 16:31

Yeah, Irish man, he loves all that's lovely, loves all that he can with a spring of shalela and jam rock so green.

SPEAKER_05 16:41

That compared to your version.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

Oh, I think it was there to be so yeah, it sounds lovely as well. Like, who am I to you know say?

SPEAKER_05 16:49

I think it sounds great, but yeah, it's great, but it's not Sean, but compared to getting used to listening to you the whole time and then hearing that.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

It sounded he sounds like Botto. Maybe, maybe Botto was the original Sean.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Oh you do, yeah, put a sprig of shamrock and shit, maybe so great.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

Yeah, maybe you want to know something funny. So since Mary did such great research for today's episode, my research literally consisted of just listening to Rye Whiskey over and over and over again for like five days, and now my daughter starts singing with it too.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

Rye whiskey. That's well, at least she's not singing a ring dang do.

SPEAKER_05 17:32

She would probably do that too. Probably.

SPEAKER_04 17:36

She's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

I'm surprised she hasn't. Ah, that's really true.

SPEAKER_04 17:40

It's bound to happen at some point. At some point, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Well, make sure it's way off down the road 20 years, yeah, 30 years from now.

SPEAKER_04 17:50

She's funny. So we've talked about Sean's backstory. We've talked about actually, where are you guys located?

SPEAKER_03 17:56

You might be asking.

SPEAKER_04 17:57

I'm in Ohio.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

You're from you're in Ohio today. And Zai, where are you at? Where are you?

SPEAKER_05 18:01

I'm in Minnesota.

SPEAKER_03 18:02

Oh, cool, very good.

SPEAKER_05 18:04

Well, it's close enough to get it, right? No, not close enough. Really? I'm all the way up north, so I'm like in the middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Oh wow. Well, that sounds beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 18:16

It's like five hours away from or not five hours, five states away from each other. It's yeah, what like a 10-hour drive? Oh wow, it's more like that, right? Yeah, 10 to 12 hours, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 18:26

I haven't been to Minnesota yet. I've been to I've been to Ohio a couple of times, and we have family in Ohio. So I've been there a couple of times, been to Columbus and Cincinnati. I performed in Cincinnati actually. I performed a couple of plays in Cincinnati.

SPEAKER_04 18:38

That's cool. Yeah, if I would have known, I would have been there.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Yeah, fun little spot.

SPEAKER_04 18:46

Very cool. So let's talk about Sean's party. Yes, party for Sean when he comes back to camp. Yeah. Getting into Red Dead a little bit more. Let's start with Sean's announcement. That I'm Maguire's back.

SPEAKER_03 18:59

I'm back. The joy is back in your lives. One of my favorite parts of shooting Red Dead was uh was those scenes, the party scenes. I absolutely adored it. I love singing, I love that whole kind of camaraderie around the campfire, and we spent we spent a good couple of months doing a lot of that kind of work, and it was something I was really looking forward to seeing eventually, just to see how it would all come together. This party, including the business with Karen and all the rest of it. I knew that that was gonna be part of the part of it all.

SPEAKER_06 19:28

Oh, that's that's coming up, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

So we want to talk about that. What was funny? When I first played the game, I went off and played the game. I I'm not very good at it. I've had the game for how long has it been out? It's out eight years this year, I think. Yeah, so I still haven't finished it.

SPEAKER_04 19:42

You've been streaming it.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

Yeah, I haven't finished it. I'm like, I don't even, I think I'm still like on act four or something. I'm just like I wander around. I said he's streaming it, but I just did for a bit of crack last week. I might get into it, and if I do decide to stream it, I'll go all the way back to the start. But um, but yeah, so after I rescued myself, um and they all go back to camp. I just as Arthur, I just went off hunting and fishing and took a little wander around and stuff. And I got back to camp the next morning thinking that the party would kick in then, you know, when I write back. Not realizing because I don't know these things, that it's in real time. So when I got back to the camp, I completely missed the party. And I was like, what the fuck is on here? So I was like, oh shit, wow, really? Like, oh, like things don't just happen when you get to a certain point. Like the rest of the world is existing while you're off messing around, going to the saloon after doing some hunting. So I had to go back and rescue Sean all over again just so I could go to the party that I had spent months working on and singing at to see how it actually looked. So that was my experience of the party the first time I saw it in game.

SPEAKER_04 20:53

I love the party, that's probably one of my favorite parts of the whole game. Everyone's like the Arthur and Lenny Quiet Time mission. But I'm like, Sean's party is like top tier because that's like you have the gang all together, we're partying, the vibes are immaculate, like things are great. Yeah, and then it just like falls apart. And I was not ready for Sean's death, but I'm gonna say that for Lane.

SPEAKER_05 21:20

It's like that's where I regret because I speed ran the game the first time I played it. I beat it opening weekend.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Really?

SPEAKER_05 21:28

So it took me three days to beat it.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

So what did you do? You just went like on every single day.

SPEAKER_05 21:35

I did mission after mission. I started at midnight on the 26th and I finished at like 2, 3 p.m. on the 28th.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Wow, that's so cool.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

I just ran around taming wild horses for like six months before I got the rest of the way into chapter six. Like I was right about to start the Quiet Time mission, and I just went off on a year long quest of taming wild horses. Then I came back to the story.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

It took me about two.

SPEAKER_04 22:02

I was like, oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

It took me about two weeks to figure out how to get on the horse without constantly getting kicked or shooting someone by accident. And uh even I did do that little stream last week. I had to ask people, like, uh, how do I how do I feed my horse? I mean, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 22:19

I'm we got you.

unknown 22:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

During the making of the game, I did decide just to check it out because I I you're you're gonna hate me when I say this. I play FIFA, that's what I play. I'm a soccer nerd, I play FIFA, I sit there designing how my manager's gonna look, and I pick my teams and I sign players from all over the world, and I I think I'm an actual manager of a soccer team, so it's not as involved as Red Dead. So I did try to play GTA 4 while we were working on Red Dead just to get a feel for Rockstar games. The the the first Rockstar game I've ever played was GTA 2, way back in the day, crow or the original Grand Theft Auto. Um, the one where it was overhead and you're watching the guy walking around the city, and I love that. But yeah, I played GTA 4 and I couldn't get on the bike, I couldn't get on the bicycle. I was like, what the heck? I gave up after about 10 minutes. So, you know, with Red Dead 2, I had to, I knew I had to invest some time into learning how to play the bloody thing because yeah, you just have to.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

It's such a detail-oriented game. There's so much like I've been playing it, I've played story mode more times than I can count. I've had yeah, all the saves filled and then had to go over and save over old ones. I've really 100% it twice. I'm about to hit platinum for the second time. Wow, I want still finding stuff I've never found.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

And what are you both playing on? Do you both play on Xboxes or PS5s or fours or what?

SPEAKER_04 23:47

Uh we played on both, but both, mainly PlayStation PS5.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

PlayStation 5? Yeah, yeah. I yeah, I'm threatening to buy one. I still have a PlayStation 4 and I love it. It's great. I figure if I keep it long enough, it'll become retro. So why not?

SPEAKER_04 24:02

I still have my PS1.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

Really? Yeah, I was looking at those.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Yeah, I have a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05 24:12

Yeah, my PS2 broke.

SPEAKER_03 24:14

Yeah, I'm sure my age, I started playing video games on a what was it called? Atari 2600.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

I was gonna say it's an Atari, isn't it? Yeah, I was thinking it.

SPEAKER_03 24:25

Yeah, why? Because of the gray, the gray fuzz right here. Yeah. Thanks.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

I mean, I I wasn't an Atari kid, but I was a Sega kid.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

I was a Sega, I was into Sega big time. Commodore 64 was my first serious one. I loved the Commodore 64. Uh that was just a great, it was a computer, but it was really honestly, it was a computer, so your parents thought you were actually gonna end up being like a computer engineer or something like that, or you know, use it for typing, but really people just played games on it, and um, and I absolutely loved that computer system, it was great. The Commodore 64. Yeah, I still remember getting one for Christmas, and Platoon was the game that I got with it, which was just walking around, it was like a war game, but yeah, I loved the Commodore 64 and then a Sega Mega Drive, or I think you call it Genesis over here.

SPEAKER_04 25:14

Yeah, we had the Genesis, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

We had it was Mega Drive in Europe, and I loved that. Loved Sonic, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

Yep, that was big Sonic and Tales.

SPEAKER_03 25:22

Yeah, my friend across the street had a Super Nintendo, and I had a Sega Mega Drive, so you know I'd spend some days in his place playing Mario and Mario Kart, then he'd come to my place and play Sonic and all the sports games, NHL hockey and shit like that.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

Yeah, my brother was a big gamer, so I had the Sega and the Nintendo 64, and so I would just always like sneak in and play it while he was at school.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

Yeah, I loved it. I also really I'd never got one, but I was a fan of mobile gaming. Um, I remember when I was young, I had a Game Boy, which was just the coolest thing to have a little video in your pocket.

SPEAKER_04 25:58

Um I have mine literally sitting in a box right next to me right now. I have a Game Boy and a Game Boy Color or Game Boy Bands.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

If you ever come to New York, you should definitely check out the Nintendo store down in Rockefeller Center, it's absolutely awesome. And they still you can actually buy all the original, they have all the original systems there you can still buy and stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's cool.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

Oh, yeah. All right, getting back to Red Dead, getting back to Sean's party. Sean and Karen.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

Yeah, yeah, it's a very quick scene. It's a very quick Irish scene, yes. Um and Karen. I love Karen Jones. Um, I love to comment sometimes when people ask who's your favorite video game character on Instagram and stuff. I always say Karen Jones, and you know, just leave it there in case anybody notices. Nobody really ever does because they don't know who the hell I am. But um, I love Karen Jones. I love Karen Jones because I love Joe Armanox who plays Karen Joe is one of the funniest and loveliest people in the world. She's just great. Um, she's so funny. Yeah, she's she's awesome. We had so much fun shooting those scenes. Um she actually recorded all of her lines in the tent before I got to record my one. So when I went in to record my ones, I got to hear her, I got to hear Karen Jones. So I got to kind of respond to her, and I it took me forever to stop laughing. It stopped understandable. Yeah, it was just just just hearing her, like, you know, is that it?

SPEAKER_02 27:36

You know, you know, and I guess it is. I think there's cool.

SPEAKER_04 27:42

I think there's a few different like variations you can get on that scene, too.

SPEAKER_02 27:46

There is, there's one more like crying on oh, I haven't gotten that one.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

No, like oh yeah, oh you see, she's like, I want somebody to see me. I'm like, oh you see, Mrs. Jones, I see you.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

I have gotten that one. Oh my god. Or Sean.

SPEAKER_03 28:05

You know, I maybe I meant it, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 28:08

No, you that I remember that one though. Um, so there's also a scene where Sean is talking to Karen, Tilly, and Mary Beth. And you uh Sean comes over and is like, which one of you will marry me?

SPEAKER_03 28:24

That's right, yeah. Which one of you marry me?

SPEAKER_04 28:27

And then Mary Beth says she will, and then points to Tilly, and Tilly's like, I will not. So do you think that Sean really had a thing for Karen? Or he just wanted a girl?

SPEAKER_03 28:41

Oh no, I think Sean and Karen actually have very I think they had a strong connection. I think I think there was definitely something there. Obviously, it wasn't really explored that much. Um but I think there was definit there was some sort of a connection there. I think they had affection for one another. I think um I think they both kind of maybe would have shared a similar kind of an upbringing together. I think they both would have arrived at the Vanderlinder gang um in similar kind of fashion, where they were kind of taken under the wing of Dutch and Hosea. Um, so I think they shared that. Um I think that scene where Sean's kind of hitting on the girls. I don't think I don't I never really saw that as him being um lascivious, lascivious, lascivious, or kind of overly flirty. I think that's just him. I think that's just a bit of Sean's bravado. What he what he doesn't possess in um in cowboy skill, he kind of makes up with his brogue and his blarney, you know. Um he has a touch of the blarney about him, where you can go to Cork in Ireland, where I'm from, and actually kiss a stone called the Blarney stone, which gives you the gift of the gap. And I think that's something that I think a lot of Irish people have it. Um, but I think certainly that's something that Rockstar leaned into with Sean. Um, I think that's kind of him being more kind of humorous and just kind of you know, he's hello, ladies. Like he fancies himself as a ladies' man, but you know, in reality he really isn't, you know. Um I think I think it was just more fun than anything else. I don't think I I do think um I think in a way maybe he was teasing Karen in front of the other girls, you know, maybe a little bit of that. Um but I do I do think there was a connection there between Sean and Karen, definitely.

SPEAKER_04 30:30

And then if you were not one of the girls in camp, if you were one of the boys, you were bullied by Sean ruthlessly.

SPEAKER_03 30:38

Yeah, well, so I think well, yeah, um Kieran was definitely bullied, especially Kieran. Yeah, Kieran got a hard time. I think Sean is definitely a bit further down the pecking order in terms of status in the camp, but again, he's one of these guys who will throw his little bit of weight around with people who he feels he can. So poor old Kieran, he got the brunt of it from Sean, especially about the whole column or Driscoll thing. Like, I don't understand why people why don't people understand that C O L M is spells column? Like, what's the problem there? Um myself and Roger had major chats about that behind the scenes. Oh, yeah, and Roger used to tell me he says, I'll try to tell them, but they won't listen to me. And I love you, Roger.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

I'll fucking tell them.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

Uh I came in one day and they had this scene written where I'm taking Caron Duffy to task about mispronunciation. Loved him, you know. Um thankfully, with the equipment we had to wear, I couldn't actually get that close. Where it was where Pico, who played Care on Duffy so brilliantly, was in under any danger of from from Sean Maguire from me. Um, I also I love I really love the scene with Lenny where Lenny is trying to teach me to read, and I'm just like, kid, give up on me. Like, you know, God gave me the gift of not being able to read, like all this. So I I kind of loved how he kind of gives a little bit of bravado there with Lenny. I I love the character of Lenny. Um, I mean, I love all these characters because I love all the people who play them, and it's great when you actually watch the game and you're playing the game, and you're brought back to like, oh, there's Haran, you know, there's Joe, there's Ben, there's Roger, there's all these wonderful actors that you can.

SPEAKER_05 32:25

It's weird because I find myself, even when playing the game, like walking through camp, I won't say the character's name, I'll end up saying your guys's.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

That's funny. Yeah, listen. It's I think also another great thing about this. The whole community is again, we all love all the community. Um, it's one of the greatest gifts when we get a chance to meet you all at these events and comic cons and things. So I think that I think there's something special about that as well. So I appreciate you saying that, Johnny. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_04 32:56

Getting back to chapter three, Sean finds a white, or no, is it Jack or Sean?

SPEAKER_03 33:03

Jack, Jack, yeah, Jack finds it, Jackie, little Jackie.

SPEAKER_04 33:05

Jack finds the Jack finds the white rabbit. So a lot of people might actually miss that scene because it's hidden dialogue, but that's right. There's significance behind the white rabbit.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

Well, there is, and and I love I love that scene because again, it shows just how much homework Rockstar did. Um, because I think in that scene, isn't he? Kind of after he talks to Jackie about like that's the spirit, that's important, and all the rest of it, that Arthur kind of dismisses it as old mumbo jumbo. Um, I particularly I actually love that because it kind of illustrates Arthur is like you know, kind of part of this new world, which is all about moving forward and not thinking about the mumbo jumbo of the past, like these kind of superstitions, and you kind of see the Sean still has a little bit of that old country kind of in him, you know. So, yeah, the white rabbit or the white hare, as we call it in Ireland, was often kind of described as a witch in the form of an animal, and because the rabbits and hares would burrow underground, there was a sense that there was something spiritual about them, and that they're part of the underworld, uh, that they could kind of go between the underworld and what we exist in, and all the rest of it. So, there is a spiritual nature about that. Also, you have little superstitions where people would carry around things like a lucky rabbit's foot, you know. So, I think that's I think it's a lovely little scene. And like you said, if you if you blink, you'll miss it. But uh, I think yeah, it's cute.

SPEAKER_04 34:39

Yeah, so the white rabbit, what is the significance behind that white rabbit? Like, what does what's the symbolic meaning?

SPEAKER_03 34:47

Well, it it represents, I mean, the white rabbit represents the other world, it represents what's out there. Um in Irish folklore, in it's in Irish folklore, like around Soan, which is Halloween essentially, um Soin was an old Irish festival that Halloween came out of, where the the veil between the afterworld and our world was at its thinnest, where spirits could pass back and forth, and spirits would take different shapes. So, in in Irish folklore, and I think in other folklors too, a white rabbit in particular represents like a shapeshifter or a witch. Um, it could be a spirit, um, it could be a form that flits between the afterworld and our world and stuff like that. So that's kind of what it represents, and I think that's what Sean is telling Jackie at the time, like that this is something special. Um, we still have a lot of these traditions back home in Ireland, you know, because we still kind of believe in fairy forts, we still believe in, you know, uh little things like that, like things that are unexplained. But I have this along the skirting board in my house here. It's a little Irish fairy door, and open it up, and it's just you know, here there's a little fella inside. Fucking open a door. Need to put some oil on the uh thing. So you open up, and there's our little fairy just living inside, and uh life is a fairy tale, but to see it, you must open your eyes. Isn't that lovely? So, yeah, so that sits right down next to my bar over here in my apartment, and that's where all the fairies live. Yeah, we were always taught like growing up. If you saw like a ring of trees and things like that, don't disturb it, walk away. If you see like a ring of stones and stuff, leave it be, you know. You yeah, these are things, and I know these are stories we tell ourselves and they're part of folklore, but there was a time I fully believe this. Yeah, these stories would influence people, and they they were also lessons to help us kind of you know live lives without chaos and stuff like that. By the way, I love your I love your wood burnings, and I think I can see Sean behind you there.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

Yep, yeah, John and Ivy, and I'm also working on another one that I haven't hosted yet.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Oh, look at that!

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Beautiful, Sadie. She's gonna love it. But that's really cool. Yeah, there's more going on than what meets the eye. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:21

Stories for days. I could do a whole podcast episode on just the stories that have dealt with, but that's not very red-dead, so but you should.

SPEAKER_03 37:29

I mean, listen, anyway you get it out there, put it out into the universe, and it always comes back to you. True, and that's even as even as an actor, that's that's our thing, is um it's we we call it a practice because it's a practice, it's like doing yoga, it's like I mean, I'm not I'm not particularly religious, but I do have uh a side which I do kind of I do there's stuff out there that I don't understand, and that's okay, and I I leave it be, and you respect it, but yeah, you we all have our practices, and it's important to have those practices to keep us all sane because so much we just don't understand, especially in this world.

SPEAKER_04 38:04

I mean, I worked with Lilith. This is the last story I'm gonna tell about all this. Going back to the white rabbit that started all this. Yeah, that if they're symbolic of the white rabbit, what does it mean when the right white rabbit is dead?

SPEAKER_03 38:17

Um I but personally, I don't know for sure. I personally think um we never really die anyway. I think they've just moved on to another realm, basically. Um, just because physically he's dead here on this earth doesn't mean people aren't still talking about it. Um, and maybe sometimes it's just leave it be, let it rest. That's what I kind of think. I know the rabbit's dead in the game, so I think it's it could be also symbolic of like what's to come.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

Um so what about the fact that Sean's the one who said it's off to Pearson's stew pot for you to the white rabbit?

SPEAKER_03 38:50

Uh yeah, yeah, that's Sean's kind of I think again that's Sean's dark kind of humor, you know.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

Um I think that's Sean White Rabbit was a spirit, and he said off to the stew pot.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Yeah, well, I mean, sustenance. That's I mean, seriously, seriously, sustenance. We all need to eat. Um, also, I think you can you can respect the dead, you can respect all that, but these guys are living in the wild west and they gotta kind of use what they can to eat, and it would be a terrible thing to just waste it and let it rot, you know. Um, I used to go fishing a lot when I was younger, and you know, um I do eat meat, um, but I hate the idea of wasting, you know, I hate the idea of stuff like that. So I think you know, that's also I think again, Sean has a bit of a humor. Sean has to me, Sean is one of the most humorous characters in the game. So when he does that, after being so sincere with Jackie and all the rest of it, kind of also kind of shows his practical nature. Um I think that was kind of a funny little line off the parents' stew pot for you.

SPEAKER_04 39:55

The theory is Karen is pregnant. Do you agree with that theory?

SPEAKER_02 40:02

I don't know. Where who came up with that theory?

SPEAKER_04 40:04

What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_02 40:05

Everyone, it's it's been weary for a while. I've never heard that. I've never heard that really at all.

SPEAKER_04 40:15

Because after Sean's death, Karen falls fully into full falls fully into the bottle, yeah, fully into alcoholism. Yeah, obviously, like she's sad about Sean, but do you think she could have been pregnant?

SPEAKER_03 40:30

She could have been, you know. Um, it was a quick encounter, but it's the only one we got to see, I suppose. Um, I think that's an interesting theory, maybe. Maybe I think um I've often thought like Sean's death kind of heralded a turning point for the gang. Yes, and a lot of the humor and the joy is gone out of their lives. I do think again, I think Sean and Karen did have a connection, I think they had a deep connection there. I think she might be mourning him. Um, but certainly it makes sense to think that if she was pregnant, then that would certainly kind of make sense. Um yeah, I don't know. And again, I haven't finished the game, so there's a lot that I still kind of haven't seen myself. So as I move forward into the game and start streaming and everything else, I'll certainly take a bit more notice of that, you know. Like I'm so gonna have been a bit more careful there, you know.

SPEAKER_04 41:25

So, like I noticed this is why I was kind of surprised that you didn't know about that theory, is because I I mean, maybe I like imagined it, but I swear towards the end of chapter three, like right before Sean's death, like the last few missions before he dies, Sean and Karen get real quiet. Like, we didn't see them around camp. No, just in general, they just seem off, like they really seem quiet, like something's like tense between them, like they both have this weird like energy of like there's like a little vibe kind of going on. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:59

I don't know. I I'd have to me personally, I'd have to go back and play it again and kind of really kind of focus on that, right? Um, I like it, I like the idea, I like the thought of it. I'll have to talk to Joe about it next time I see her, like here.

SPEAKER_04 42:13

So if Karen was if Karen was pregnant, how do you think Sean would have felt about it? Do you think he would have been thrilled, or do you think he would have been like, oh shit?

SPEAKER_03 42:23

Um, I'm not sure. I think it might have helped him grow up a bit, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 42:27

Um I think Sean would have loved it because I think Sean loves Sean and he would have loved Sean Jr.

SPEAKER_03 42:34

I think we would have um, I mean, I've often been asked like what the future would have held if Sean survived. And my future for Sean was always with Karen somewhere raising a family. Um, my future for Sean wasn't being this kind of you know, lad outlaw. I think he would have loved to have settled down somewhere with Karen and become the mayor and mayoress of a little town out west, somewhere like that. That's I think what have been because he likes to talk, you know. Um, I think that's that's that's what I've often envisioned was him and Karen settling down somewhere, raising a family of mad young fellas and beautiful little girls.

SPEAKER_04 43:11

Oh, I love that.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

Yeah, that's that would be a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 43:14

And for real. Maybe they're gonna love that. So there's another theory that we just discovered that I don't believe, and I have only heard it for one time now. The theory is that Sean was the rat.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

Oh, yeah, fuck yeah, I've seen that video.

SPEAKER_05 43:35

And just stumbled across it, and I'm like, Yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

You know, I was down in Florida doing a play, and I was um, and most nights I come home after performing, and I'd just go on YouTube and just watch old soccer matches and stuff. And one night I decided to look up Red Dead stuff just to see what people put out there, and this thing popped up Shaw McGuire's the original rat. I'm like, what? Come on. And I watched it, and the guy who made the video makes a very compelling case.

SPEAKER_05 44:04

He does.

SPEAKER_03 44:05

Um, he does, he's he's great. Um, but I don't think Sean was the original rat. I know for a fact, I learned all the lines, I delivered them. I think again, the game is so beautiful, it's so massive. You can take anything and create your own perspective and point of view. Um I think he makes a very compelling case. Um, but I I just I don't 100% buy it. It upset me a little bit when I went on YouTube and saw hundreds and hundreds of responses of all these people saying things like, Oh my god, you know, I love Sean, and now I can't look at him the same way. And I'm like, Oh, calm fucking down, like you know entertainment at the end of the day. Um, and I did make a comment, I made a comment on the whole YouTube thing where I was like, This is great, well done, lovely video, really appreciate it. Um, I disagree, but I'm gonna have to go on that now. Yeah, and I just left it at that, you know. Um, I disagree. I don't think Sean was the original rat. I can see like how you know, yeah, he was the one that was kidnapped and survived from Blackwater. Um, I mean, Sean came pretty close to getting his head blown off a couple of times. You know, he was left hanging upside down in the middle of a shootout when you rescue him, where he very easily could have been shot and killed. Um, if he was a rat, he wouldn't be in vulnerable positions like that.

SPEAKER_04 45:31

You know, did you have to film that scene hanging from a trailer?

SPEAKER_03 45:34

Oh, yeah, yeah, that was one of the first ones I did, yeah. Yeah, but they didn't they didn't actually hang me upside down, I just acted like I was hung upside down, and they the magic of how they create these things, they made it appear that way, you know.

SPEAKER_05 45:46

Yeah, because I remember hearing from Roger when they did Blessed Are the Peacemakers when Arthur gets taken by a column and that he was hanging off of just a table, and then Andrew was beside him and working on the dummy and just whacking it.

SPEAKER_03 46:05

That's right, yeah, yeah. It's amazing how they actually make all this work. It's it's incredible. They're just brilliant. Rockstar are just brilliant at what they do, you know. But yeah, I is to answer the question. I don't think Sean was the original rat, but hey, listen, if people want to put videos out there and put stuff together and work on Sean for hours and hours and hours and put content out there that talks about Sean Maguire for 45 minutes and show all his lines and create whatever they want out of it, I'm happy with that. I I think I love it. Please, more, do more. Make Sean the original rat, make Sean, I don't know, make Sean fucking anything you want. Put Sean up on stage in San Denis, make him the original actor, whatever you want to do. Yeah, the more Sean in our lives, the better.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

We need that in a fan fiction.

SPEAKER_03 46:52

Are there any other like hidden or not hidden dialogue, but like the cut scenes that I mean, you obviously haven't really gotten that far in the game to know, but if there are any like scenes that were cut from the game that Sean had there is there's one scene where Sean McGuire he finds a lamp, like a genie's lamp, and he rubs it, and he's transported into the future, and he gets to play in GTS 6, and he's running all around the place, like setting off bombs and traps for people, and then he then he ends up meeting up with Mario from Super Mario Land, and he becomes he becomes a voice actor in Hollywood working on the new Mario movie um replacing as Bowser. Yeah, and it's it's a whole thing, it goes on for about it goes on for about six or seven hours, it's great, and then it ends with him waking up in the tent with Karen. He's like, I can't explain it.

SPEAKER_04 47:49

I love that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:50

And there's another scene where he ends up dancing with Dutch and Micah and under the moonlight.

SPEAKER_04 47:55

Oh, that's awesome!

SPEAKER_03 47:56

And they're all half naked and stuff. Um I don't know if there's other cutscenes up there when we show honestly. Oh, really? Would you like all of it?

SPEAKER_05 48:08

I have done so much work on cut content. It's bad. I can tell, like I'm a huge Dutch fan, huge Ben fan. I got his handwriting tattooed on me.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

There you go.

SPEAKER_05 48:25

Um but I it's just Dutch is complex and nobody's gonna figure him out. But I can kind of tell when like it was Ben in that spot or if it was a different actor. Really? Like when in chapter six with Molly's death, um Ben has said and Penny has said that it wasn't Ben that was there, and I could tell that.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

Really? I didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 48:58

Just based off of the movements.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

Yeah, I didn't know that. That's wild.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

She acts like Dutch when she's just standing around at work, she'll start standing like that. She's got a problem. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 49:13

Yeah, I love Ben. Ben is great. I I we we speak every now and then, we we call each other up and just see how we're all doing. And I I do I talk to Ben every now and then, he's great. I remember when we were baking the game, he he'd spend time in the green room doing his New York Times crossword puzzle. He's a very clever guy, and a lovely man and a lovely actor as well.

SPEAKER_05 49:32

Yeah, because I know he's got um I think the ice cream man coming out in August.

SPEAKER_03 49:38

Yeah, he's yeah, he's doing some great work. Yeah, he's doing some wonderful stuff. So I'm looking forward to seeing that.

SPEAKER_05 49:43

Yeah, that's exciting because I'm a huge horror fan. And the original is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

So oh, that's cool that he's involved now. That's cool, that's really cool. Looking forward to it myself.

SPEAKER_05 49:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 49:55

So if if Sean would have lived and made it to chapter six, I mean, obviously, there's the question of would he have been in the bank robbery, would he have gone to Gorma? But if he had made it to chapter six and Dutch starts falling apart, do you think he would have stuck around, or do you think he would have like been like, okay, Karen, let's leave?

SPEAKER_03 50:14

Um, I think he would have definitely been on the side of Arthur. Um, I think his relationship with Arthur Morgan was kind of tight. I think he kind of looked up to Arthur like he was like his big brother. Um, and I think if the opportunity arose, he would have, yeah, he would have vamoised with Karen. It would have been let's get out of here. And uh and possibly with a few of the other characters too. I think maybe he would have himself and Lenny, I think Sean and Lenny kind of were kind of pals. I think him and Lenny and Karen maybe would have headed off somewhere by themselves. That's kind of what I've often thought, you know.

SPEAKER_04 50:46

Do you think he would have had kind of a strong reaction to Molly O'Shea being killed?

SPEAKER_03 50:50

Um, yeah, I think uh that's a moment where you're like, wow, and you just said there about like not being able to figure out Dutch. I think Molly is somebody who kind of did figure out Dutch kind of was. Uh yeah, her yeah, she was she was shot by Grimshaw, right?

SPEAKER_05 51:06

Yep, mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 51:07

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:08

I will never get over Penny's performance in that cutscene.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

It is so penny is unbelievable, she's wonderful, another brilliant, another brilliant Irish actor.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

Yes, gonna talk about the online stuff.

SPEAKER_05 51:20

Oh, yes, oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

John McGuire is on Red Dead Online.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

What the fuck, buddy? Yeah, yeah, he is, and I didn't know what was going on when they were saying that. I was like, what do you mean online? Like, this is set in the 1890s, like they didn't have online back then. As if you're explaining what the internet was to like a two-year-old from outer space. Um I was like, But how do you mean, player? People are going, aren't they going to play the game? Like what we what we've done, what we made, the game that's that's here. Yeah, yeah, but then there's an option for them to go online. I'm like, well, why do they have to go online if they have the game already? So yeah, that that that was my introduction to the world of online. I mean, I was like, what the fuck is this? Um and I tried it for like five minutes, and and uh nah, I I couldn't. I I made a character and everything, and I went online, and then people just started shut up and killing me.

SPEAKER_04 52:18

I'm like, okay, yep, yeah, no, yeah, and I just it takes a little bit of getting used to to switch from story to online.

SPEAKER_03 52:25

I will admit it did take me a while too. All these people are called griefers or something. I I didn't I couldn't get my head around that. Um yeah, I just couldn't get my head around it, so I was like, All right, good luck.

SPEAKER_04 52:36

It's and are there settings you can do to like get people to leave you alone, or you can like join private sessions so people leave you alone.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

Oh, really? Yeah, okay. Yeah, I've never really I've just never really done it, never got into it. I'm like, all right, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:49

So yeah, it took us really until Deadwood to actually get into it.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

I mean, it's a great way to connect with other people, like I guess, you know. That's kind of cool, you know, to connect with other people and stuff. But yeah, I've never, but but yeah, it was brilliant. I was thrilled that Sean was part of that. I was like, this is fantastic. Now I can say I'm in two video games. I mean Red Dead 2 and Red Dead Online. Great, right?

SPEAKER_04 53:11

I was so excited when I found Sean and Red Dead Online because before you find him, like it's just a question mark on the map, you don't know who it is. So I just like went to this question mark and I was like, Oh shit, we get more time with Sean. I love Sean. Sean was one of my favorites.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

I appreciate that. He's back, the bitch is back. Yeah, no, it was great. I love the fact that they gave Sean a bit more time like that. I really appreciated that, you know. And um, and who knows if I don't know what well, I don't know what's going on with Red with Red Dead or with anything that Rockstar do, but uh you know, as I said, the more Sean, everyone needs a bit more Sean in their lives, you know.

SPEAKER_05 53:51

I'm like, I uh I would love a prequel. It's the only thing that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 53:55

Yes, yeah, we can't go on with Jack's story, it wouldn't be Red Dead, it wouldn't be the Wild West.

SPEAKER_03 54:03

Yeah, I think they should send it in Ireland and um have Sean have the whole story of just Sean like you know being part of the features and you know, call it top of the morning redemption or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 54:19

I'd play it.

SPEAKER_05 54:22

I wish they kept on doing DLCs because there's so many options with Red Dead 2, they could have gone.

SPEAKER_03 54:28

Yeah, the one thing I don't like is all the talk about people wanting to make movies and stuff that always bothers me.

SPEAKER_04 54:34

And I'm like, yeah, every time they do that and they start saying, Who would you cast for Red Dead?

SPEAKER_03 54:39

Yeah, the movie.

SPEAKER_04 54:40

I'm like, I would cast the original actors. Yeah, I want the original actors to be.

SPEAKER_03 54:44

For me, it's not even that. For me, it's not even that. For me, it's just the game is such a piece of art on its own.

SPEAKER_05 54:50

I don't think it requires that's just it's like I'm sorry, there's 20 hours of just the cutscenes.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

Exactly. There's enough there, and also I just think that that's what they do really well. Yes, you know, and I don't know. I I've often just felt like that a movie version of it would somehow dilute it.

SPEAKER_05 55:10

It would have to be a series if they did it. There's no way that they could do it in a movie.

SPEAKER_03 55:14

Yeah, I think it would kind of just dilute the whole lore of the game. Yeah, it's also just so it lives, it l it's iconic, it lives on its own as it is, you know.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

It's so immersive, yeah. You would lose the immersiveness of it if you made it a show.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

It became a show of something other, then it's it's just not the same, you know.

SPEAKER_04 55:33

So Sean's death, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

It was mind-blowing, it was it was head banging, he lost his mind. Yeah, all the other little things you can say about it, all the funny little moments. It sucked. It sucked, it was um it sucked. Um, I think it was a massive turning point in the game. I think it was the moment where a lot of people realized holy shit, this isn't just fun and games, this isn't just like a nice fun little ride on your horse in the Y West. There's actually something at stake here, and that's what I felt about it. Also, the fact that Sean was the last to be rescued, basically the first to be kind of killed. And you know, I know it meant that Sean was like had a little bit more less time than many of the other characters, but I think that's kind of fine in a way because I think it kind of again it served a very dramatic kind of arc and purpose for the overall story, which I really appreciated. So it didn't really bother me that obviously I would have loved to have more Sean in the game, but I think ultimately I think the his death scene is really important. I think um it it I also have seen a lot of you know um uh reaction videos from folks playing the game when it happens, um, which I find on one hand hilarious, but on the other hand, very, very uh kind of lovely, lovely to to see people's reaction, you know, people kind of stopped in their tracks, like, holy shit, what just happened? But uh yeah, I didn't enjoy the when I got the script, I was like, What do you mean? Uh I could have told you that dot dot dot. What what does that mean? You know, and again they had to sit me down and be like, Well, this is what happens, you know, Sean's gonna die. I'm like, no, Sean, but um, yeah, listen, that's it's all part of it, it's all part of the story. Yeah, I think it's part, I think his death is part of what makes the story brilliant and great. So it doesn't bother me in that regard. Just yeah, I wish I got an extra six or seven or eight months to do more scenes, but right that's just me being a selfish actor. The overall arc of the game, I think it was a very important part of the storytelling.

SPEAKER_05 57:47

Yeah, and that's just it. The fact that we go from Sean's death to immediately being thrown into arguably one of the best missions in the gang game with going back to the Braithwaite Manor after Jack's kidnapped and burning it down is just a crazy switch up and it's so chaotic at that point.

SPEAKER_03 58:09

Yeah, it's epic. It really is epic, you know. It's really a storytelling, but it's awesome story.

SPEAKER_04 58:14

Do you do you think that they didn't really spend enough time mourning Sean because they go right into partying for Jack?

SPEAKER_03 58:26

Yeah, I don't think so. I think I think you know life moves on, things move on. He was a cog in the wheel. Um I think uh I think we celebrated Sean quite a lot when he was rescued. Yeah, I think that was fine. Um, in terms of moving the story along, I think yeah, they they had to they had something to do. Life moves fast, they had to get out there and rescue Jack. So yeah, I mean that's just that's just it. That that's all right, he's gone. Okay, it's shocking, but you know, in real life, it kind of happens like that too. It's it sucks. We all face tragedy, we all face pain, but ultimately, you know, the sun goes down and it comes back up again the next morning, and we move on, you know.

SPEAKER_04 59:07

Yeah, rest in peace, Sean.

SPEAKER_03 59:09

Rest in peace, Sean. Gonna re and bought her lot, Sean. Made a road race to meet you.

SPEAKER_04 59:14

Yeah, that scene was like I was playing it, like I said, I just was taming wild horses, and like playing it, and like la la la la. And then Sean died, and I was like, Oh, okay. Yeah, it's also interesting. That's how this game is. Yeah, it's also interesting.

SPEAKER_03 59:32

It's it's Bill and Micah who are there, you know. That's the other thing.

SPEAKER_06 59:34

Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 59:36

I was up all night that night playing that game after that happened. I was like, okay, I can't sleep, I gotta finish this. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

I gotta, I gotta make sure I uh I I do my best for poor old Sean.

SPEAKER_04 59:48

Well, you did a great job, as Sean.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

Ah, go on. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. I I really appreciate it. And I and like I said to you earlier, I love the fact that you guys are doing this podcast. Um, it's one of my favorite things in the world to see like so many creative people just pouring so much time into their creative energy and putting stuff out into the world. So thank you guys. It's it's great, and I can't wait to listen to it. I can't wait to see what else you guys do.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:16

Thank you. Any uh closing thoughts before we end this episode?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

When do you think it's gonna come out? I can't wait to hear.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

We're this one's gonna release next week, May 7th.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:29

May 7th, my birthday.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

Oh, happy birthday!

SPEAKER_04 1:00:33

I'll have to write that down.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

I'll write that. I'll send a happy birthday on the 7th.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:38

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:39

I will, of course. Um, and where can we listen to it? What's the story? Is it on Spotify and stuff?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:45

Or what it's on Spotify, Apple Podcast, Amazon, fantastic, YouTube. That's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:52

Yeah, I'm gonna start listening. I can't wait. I can't wait to start listening.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:56

Um, and just a little shout-out for you. Mick has a cameo. So if you also want a happy birthday message from Sean Maguire, I actually do.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:09

Yeah, I do cameo. It's at Mick Mulanffe on Cameo. Um, I actually did about three or four of them just right before I got on here with you guys today, just to warm up my voice. Um, I actually love doing them, I have a lot of fun with them. I love nothing more in the world than roasting people or with a happy birthday. I love singing, so I always sing a little happy birthday to you. Um also, yeah, I'm on Instagram as well. That's my social media at Mick Melanfey on Instagram. If you see a picture of me, that's me. If you see a picture of a guy in a boat with a fishing rod, that's my dad. So, you know, please don't message my dad about red dead redemption stuff. You can message him about fly fishing all you want, um, but not about red dead redemption. And um, and yeah, and I'll be doing a musical here in New York City this coming fall in November. I'll be performing in a musical. There's anybody out there in New York City in November, you want to come see me dancing and singing in a play. Um, check out my Instagram, all the info will be there, and I'll be happy to sign any Sean Maguire shite afterwards and say hi and take videos and have a bit of crack. That's Irish crack, like fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:22

Hell yeah, let's do crack with Sean.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:26

Sounds like a TV sounds like a daytime TV talk show. Crack with Sean. Well, listen, thank you so much, guys, for inviting me. And I wish you nothing but the best of luck with this, all right.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:38

Yeah, you're also going to be at Mid-Hudson Comic Conce.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:42

Mid-Hudson Comic-Con. That's right. Thank you for that. August 1st and August 2nd. I'll be at Mid-Hudson Comic Con up in uh Poughkeepsie, New York. So if there's any outlaws up around there, or you want to travel and come to it, I'd be delighted to see you guys. I know, I think Kylie, um, Vern Hoff who plays Susan Grimshaw, and I think Roger Clark is going to be there too.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:03

I think Peter and me Rob also.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:06

Yes, me is going to be there. Peter's there. I think Rob is gone as well. So there's gonna be a good few of us up there, so that should be a lot of fun. And um, and also I'll be at Dublin Comic Con in Ireland next March, 5th and 6th of March next year in 2027. So for all our pals in Ireland and the UK, um, I'll be there. So if you fancy a pint, I'll be in Dublin.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:28

Very cool. Thank you so much for joining us.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:31

My pleasure, guys. Outlaws for life.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:34

Outlaws for life. And that's it for us today, partner. Thank you so much for spending some time with us here at the Outlaw Haven. It really means a lot to us. If you like what you heard, we upload every Thursday at 3 a.m. Eastern time. So make sure you follow or subscribe wherever you're listening so you don't miss what's coming next. I'm Sam.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:50

And I'm Zach.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:51

And this is the Outlaw Haven.