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The Outlaw Haven
Voices From The West: John Marston ft. Rob Wiethoff
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Hey, real friend Amnesia. They say if you ride back for the old camps late at night, you can still hear them the voices of the West. Not one of the most legendary of those voices rides with us. A rancher, a husband, a father, maybe, and the most honest outlaw to ever have half his brains eaten by a wolf and somehow turn out more intelligent. A vicious gunslinger who never could outrun his past. We welcome Rob Wedolf, the man who brought to life John Marston. Pull up his stool, grab a drink, and get comfortable for a few rounds on John. No grand plan, no speech from Dutch, just good stories and good company.
SPEAKER_02I'm Sam. I'm Zach. And this is the Outlaw Haven. Quick announcement before we get into today's episode. We now upload the videos of our episodes on YouTube and Spotify if you prefer to watch. We also have merch available, including special edition guest merch with Sean Maguire and John Marston. The links are in the description for the episode and in the link tree in our Instagram bio.
SPEAKER_06We um every now and then I think we did kind of laugh about the fact that Jack kind of does look a little bit more like Javier than he does John, but uh but I don't know. It's just a mustache. You can make your mustache look any way you want. We all know that, right?
SPEAKER_02We I mean that was like one of our things that we have written down in our thing to talk about was like all the John theories, and that's of course gonna be the first one that we talk about. Our theory is that Dutch is the father.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that nose that nose is it's purely the nose.
SPEAKER_06Well, according to Dutch, he very well may be. So we we did a uh uh a panel at a Comic-Con in, I think we were all in Sacramento or something.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I know which one you're talking about.
SPEAKER_06Oh my goodness. I was sitting right next to Gabrielle, and I I didn't know at all. He and I didn't talk about it, but he starts talking trash about that. I mean, it genuinely it genuinely made me mad. I thought, what is wrong with you? Cuss words, man. Quit it could be right, it could be, it could be Dutch. Whatever. Stupid stuff.
SPEAKER_02Wait, Rob.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So there's a picture on your wall, and I need you to find it for me.
SPEAKER_05Oh, okay. It's that yes.
SPEAKER_06Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_01Uh I think it's above your door.
SPEAKER_06I see it. I see it, hold on. June.
SPEAKER_02Oh, she's so babies. It's it, isn't it? Yes. Yeah, dude. I never sent you that, Rob.
SPEAKER_04What?
SPEAKER_02I never sent you that. I don't know how you got it. It's been blowing my mind for like three months now.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we seen it in the background and we're like, what the hell?
SPEAKER_02It was literally in a stack of papers. Look.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we've seen it in like a clip months ago, and we're like, how did you get that?
SPEAKER_02I had a stack of papers in my office with that in it. That was in the stack. And I was like, oh, I should have given that to Rob when I was in Deadwood. And I was like, no, I want to give him the big one because that's cooler. I never say you that I have no idea how you got it.
SPEAKER_01We've been so confused for months. Well, I'm not kidding you. I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_06I wonder if there's like a thing in here. Are you sure you didn't give me this?
SPEAKER_02Positive. Because I gave you the wood burning in Deadwood. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Well, I yeah, I remember that, but how do I have this then?
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_06Somebody gave it to me pretending like it was their work. That's what happened. That's definitely.
SPEAKER_02Unless the ghost in my house sent it to you. It was in that stack. I was like, I'm not gonna give him this in this cheap, shitty dollar store frame. I wanted to get you a better frame for it.
SPEAKER_06Well, look at that. Is that yours?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, that's Sam Ford. That's me.
SPEAKER_06Okay, I just wanted to make sure that was your writing. I did someone give it to me like at a Comic-Con, and I was like, Oh my goodness, you're so talented! This is amazing, and never looked at the name, probably.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I don't know how anyone else would have gotten it, though. It was in a stack of papers in like the junk in my house.
unknownOh my goodness.
SPEAKER_06That's insane. That's but that's why I mean it's it's like right up there where everybody can see it. I love it, obviously.
SPEAKER_02Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_06Who gave it to me?
SPEAKER_02I think it was a ghost in my house. That's the only explanation. I mean, knowing your house, it probably was.
SPEAKER_05Honestly. Wow.
SPEAKER_06Well, how are you two? My goodness, you're awesome.
SPEAKER_02And how are you?
SPEAKER_06I'm doing well, thank you. I'm so happy to thank you for having me come on your thing. This is so cool. Of course.
SPEAKER_02Well, thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER_06My goodness. I that is just the wild. That is the somebody gave me that at some point, and uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I have no clue. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Are you saying are you like without saying it? Are you trying to insinuate that you think that I came into your house and stole it?
SPEAKER_01I mean, did you? Did you go to Ohio?
SPEAKER_04Okay, okay, I did. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Why did you take the big one?
SPEAKER_06Take your cameras, you're gonna see me in there like swapping it.
SPEAKER_02Shit, I grabbed the wrong one. It's too late.
SPEAKER_03Get out.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god.
SPEAKER_06Oh well yeah, yeah, so cool. Uh yeah, somebody, somebody out there is really proud of your artwork that they did.
SPEAKER_02Well, I have the original and you signed it, so wild. Um, what are our other theories? Oh, okay. Um, this one we just learned about, or at least I did. I don't know if I also just learned about it. So okay, so you did just tell me this for the first time. Um there's a theory that John actually has schizophrenia. So, like when he's in Red Dead 1 and he sees like the strange man and he's shooting at him and it doesn't do anything, things like that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Well, theory is that John has schizophrenia.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's possible. That would that would make that make sense, right?
SPEAKER_02Um I mean, also undead nightmare.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah. Talking to uh Sasquatch. I mean, you know, you eat babies, and and I mean, I guess just zombies in general, that that could be uh I you know what I guess I always thought like it's a video game, and sometimes they get weird, and we'll just allow it because it's like a whole different thing, right? But I mean, you know what? You could be very right. It would be interesting to I don't know, I don't know where I stand on this. I truly don't, because um, I think that if you leave Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead Redemption 2 and Undead Nightmare, if you leave all of that alone, that's a fully told story, and I think it's told really well, right? I want more, I want more, I think more so because I'm selfish, right?
SPEAKER_01We all want more men.
SPEAKER_06Well, thank you. I think I think I but I think that like I do want to know what happened. I want to see what happened in Blackwater. I want to see it.
SPEAKER_01It's like my whole theory for like three, it doesn't make sense to go with Jack because that's getting into world world war one territory. So it's like it only makes sense to do another prequel. But I think they're not even gonna show the Blackwater Massacre. I think once you get into the epilogue, it'll stop right before you get to the Blackwater mission, and then that'll be it.
SPEAKER_02I wanna play as Matt Callendar and die in Blackwater or as Davy.
SPEAKER_01Given your story, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, dude. Okay, it's gonna come up. We're gonna talk about it. Well, yeah. The fan fiction.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I do want to dude.
SPEAKER_02I so I wrote that, um, so the main character in my story is Arthur's younger half-sister, Ivy. And her and John are like really close, but then she John like supposedly knocks up Abigail. And uh so then it breaks them up. And so Ivy starts dating Matt Callender, and Mac is like toxic as hell, and like in Blackwater, John gets like a brief split-second moment with Matt Callendar in the alley behind like the gun or the the sheriff in Blackwater, and he kills Matt Callendar.
SPEAKER_06Anyway, he was bag he was begging for it. He was begging for it, right?
SPEAKER_02He was, he was a shithole, but I also wrote Amelia Brown into it, so yeah.
SPEAKER_06Oh my goodness, that's amazing. I love it. Well, I can't wait to get my hands on it. Is this what I've seen on like Amelia Brown is is associated with this already, right? Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we've got to know more because there's a scene where uh it's like before the party at the mayor's house in Saint-Denis, yeah. Ivy has to go to the tailor in Saint-Denis to get ready, and she's not a girly girl at all. And so she goes to the tailor and she sees Amelia, and Amelia's like gushing over Molly, and Ivy's just like, Hey, I need to get dressed too. And Amelia's like, Oh, I see, I have my work cut out for me. Like, just like unintentionally insulting the shit out of her.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was great. We're just on one night, like it was the night that we actually launched the podcast, and we're just all on talking about fan theories and then our fan fics and stuff, and we're just chucking out ideas.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so we just like started writing our stories together, like weaving them in together. Like, I have Zai's character in my story too. Like, we have our stories kind of like woven together.
SPEAKER_06This is amazing. Well, wait, so where where do we get it? Where can we get it? The book.
SPEAKER_02Um, so I'm not publishing it because it's like taken straight from Rockstar, and I don't want to have like copyright issues, but it's like on Wattpad and AO3, but like once I because I'm obviously like editing this version that I had printed, because there's a lot of editing to do.
SPEAKER_06That is so cool. I love it that people got together and did that, and I'm sure it's amazing. And how is that? I mean, I I guess it's if it's rock stars characters and whatever, but if it's fan fit if it's fan stuff, is that is that not allowed? I guess maybe it's not allowed.
SPEAKER_02I don't I mean, I don't I don't know, because inks I don't know.
SPEAKER_01I mean nervously try it, right? We've got so many missions just taken out of the game itself.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we literally take them straight from the game. Let me go.
SPEAKER_06Well right. Well, I mean, whatever. I think it's really cool that you were all creative together and put something together. And you know what? If if you had enjoyment in doing it, maybe maybe that's exactly what you were looking for anyway. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean it got me through some pretty tough times. I started it back in 2022, like I was dealing with post postpartum depression pretty bad, and that was like my escapism was writing this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's like I went ahead last August. This entire binder is all of Red Dead 2.
SPEAKER_02Handwritten. Oh god, dude.
SPEAKER_01Handwritten. Handwritten. A little hard to see, but I was playing on the game with her while she did it. This is Red Dead 1 and Undead Nightmare.
SPEAKER_04What?
SPEAKER_01Entire thing completely by hand.
SPEAKER_06That is so crazy and awesome! That is I'm saying crazy in the best possible way. Like that is awesome!
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it it took me it took me a couple of months for Red Dead 1, which is surprising. And then Red Dead 2 took me like a month of non-stop.
SPEAKER_06Isn't that wild?
SPEAKER_01I was there for the Red Dead 2 one, yeah.
SPEAKER_06So wait a minute, did you did you just like how do how do you even do that?
SPEAKER_01I went through on YouTube and I just had the missions playing, and then as soon as a cutscene would start, I just started going.
SPEAKER_06Oh my and then you'd pause it and catch up, and then I mean it helps.
SPEAKER_01I know a lot of the lines by heart.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but oh my goodness, not all of them. That's a lot, that's so much. Oh wow, I love it. So yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously, if you do that, you can do that, but I don't know even now. Like I have um, I mean, this is I I I don't know how to show you this without showing you this crazy lamp that I have in here is just a light bulb with no shade on it. But if you see behind it, you can see like the there's that thing of John right here. Oh, I keep doing it wrong right there. John. Okay, so now this beside him. I don't know if you can see the yellow on there.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I can see it almost looks at okay.
SPEAKER_06So that is the script, right? That is the actual original script.
SPEAKER_02Oh, hell yeah.
SPEAKER_06Right on. Steve Palmer's script. It says character Bill Williamson, talent, Steve Palmer, and uh he was not supposed to keep that.
SPEAKER_01No, I keep that's the one thing I hear from like all of you guys is that you guys had to like shred him.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, no, he was definitely not supposed to keep that, but he did, and he gave it to me as a gift, and it's one of the coolest things I have. He laminated it. He's but the thing is, it's like it's highlighted for Bill Williamson, right? Not John, because it was it was his script, but okay, so yeah, we it was very, very important that we, if we printed them off, we got it from them. They asked, it would have our name like uh watermarked in the back of it. So you could read it, but if anybody ever found it, they know exactly who to go to and say, uh, what in the world? But you had to give them back, you have to give all the paper uh back to them because then stolen one.
SPEAKER_02You should put it in your pocket.
SPEAKER_06I used to have I used to have a three-ring binder when they would give it to me, I would put it in there and I would keep track of it, you know. Yep. And then as we'd get done with the scene, I'd hand them in immediately because it was I thought I'm not I am not gonna be the one that wrecks this. And I got into a system and it was oh my goodness, it was kind of stressful. But the other thing that's so funny about that is by like the way that I learned how to record my lines is you know, people say a lot of times, like if you write it down, that'll help you remember, which I think is is true. Writing something down helps you remember it better than just trying to memorize it, whatever. But the guy that played Seth the Gravedigger, I worked with him actually, like I think on the first shoot uh for Red Dead Redemption, and I remember talking to him about how I had all these lines, and I didn't have a really good system at that point. How do you memorize that much stuff? Like, I was really stressed out about it. And he said, Oh man, I got you. I you this is easy. Kevin Glickman is one of the coolest guys in the world, I promise. I love Seth, the gravedigger, the character, but I also love Kevin, he's awesome and really funny in real life, too. I'm sure you can imagine.
SPEAKER_01But if we could get him on, that'd be dope.
SPEAKER_06He said, uh he said, what you do is you get a recorder. Use your phone if you need to, right? And he said, just read, but read every line, don't just read your lines, you gotta know everybody else's lines too, because then you gotta know what you're talking about, yep, when this come in, all the stuff, right? So I would say not in a performance. I mean, my voice is kind of just like John's voice, anyway, right? Uh, but I would just read it, like not trying to perform it. And if it was John's line, I would just read it as myself. But every other character, I don't care if it was a man or a woman.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god.
SPEAKER_06Sounded like a woman because then I knew it wasn't John.
SPEAKER_02I want the version of Red Dead words just you, just John talking to himself the whole time. John Cut.
SPEAKER_06Oh my goodness, it was so crazy. But then I would listen to it, and I promise you it worked for me. I just would listen to it over and over and over and over again. And then before I knew it.
SPEAKER_01That's what I used to do too for like my theater and stuff in high school. Do the same thing. I would just go through, highlight my lines, have them on my phone, and then record it through the phone.
SPEAKER_05Yes.
SPEAKER_02I wish I would have been a theater kid.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, same. You were.
SPEAKER_06I wish I was too. I I wasn't. I don't know. I just never uh I think when you're younger, you do what your friends are doing, right? In a lot of cases. And so if your friends are in theater, so are you.
SPEAKER_01If your friends are yeah, it's like I got was starting to like just get into it, of course. Well, I got into acting because of Red Dead 2, and threw myself right into the deep end, and then COVID hit right as right after I started applying to like agencies and shit like that. So I was like, God damn it.
SPEAKER_06Ah well, COVID's gone now, right? But yeah, but I think, and I've been told this a lot, I don't know how this works, but I think you can you can be anywhere, anyone can audition for anything now.
SPEAKER_01Self-tapes have like really become a major point since COVID.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, well, I mean they had to find a way to continue to keep things rolling the best way they knew how, and they right, but since then they recognize like headshots, you have to have some kind of a picture of yourself, but I don't think that people carry a physical copy of their headshot anymore. I think it's just all digital, like this is me, I'm coming at two, or or this is me. Also, here's my my video, this is my audition, and it's all like it's sent in an email or something, you know what I mean. So don't think that uh you gotta live somewhere. If you want to do it, then do it. You can do it now. I hope I hope if you do, you really enjoy it.
SPEAKER_02I keep trying to get her to roleplay with me on Red Dead as our character, yeah. But then I'm end up laughing for 10 minutes and never only only when I try to only when I try to play Matt Calendar. Oh those are those chat well to be fair, it was like 11 at night. Oh yeah. Slap happy, and I was trying to be Matt Calendar, and I was like, hey girl. I was like, your parents got money. Smile more.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we were dying for the rest of the night.
SPEAKER_06That's awesome. That is really funny. I think, yeah, you know what? It would be hard to do that between your friends. It it would be potentially could get awkward, but it's still fun, whatever.
SPEAKER_02But I think once you get the laughter out, yeah, that's just it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I don't know. I guess those things, however, it works, you know. I um I do know for myself, like if I get hired for a role, I'm way more comfortable pretending that I'm playing that role versus like my mom being like, Rob, rap, rap, do the thing for everybody. Do the thing that you do for everybody. Oh, yeah. Ah, this is the most awkward thing in the world ever.
SPEAKER_02It's like someone singing you happy birthday.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Ah, whatever. No, it's different. If you got a role and you're working with somebody else who's got a role, and you are doing that, that's very different.
SPEAKER_02But whoo. Speaking of your roles, you didn't you get your start by playing on Young and the Restless?
SPEAKER_06Yes. Well, yes. Uh, my goodness, I had an opportunity to really have like a start, start, right? Um, I was there, I was long story short, I was an extra. I went and did extra work on Young and the Restless. And while I was there, I think they were either had just recently fired or were getting ready to fire the bartender. I I think it was a bartender role or something. And this guy who was like, it's weird how they do it. They've got, I think, two director kind of setup, right? There's a guy that's out there walking around on the set. There's also a guy that's like at CBS in their whatever where they're doing whatever they're doing, who's also doing tweaking things through the guy on set, whatever. But they apparently the guy in the back room kept telling this guy who was out there with us physically, we want that guy. Tell him he has the job to be the bartender on the show. And so this guy, three different times, was like, All right, look, this is your job. If you want it, you're the bartender on the show. This is yours. We're telling you that. So at the time, I lived in Indiana and had zero interest in acting. I wasn't there because I was like trying, I was there visiting my then girlfriend who oh my goodness, just thinking back on this though, like, what did I do? Why did I but I thought I'm here for a week, I'm here for one day. This will never happen again, man. And and the third time that he asked me if I wanted to do it, I honestly was kind of rude. And I I was like, dude, I've told you twice. No, like I didn't raise my voice, but I was like, look, man, I appreciate it. I don't live here. No, thank you. Leave me alone, basically, is the way I responded to this guy. Oh my goodness. And then six months later, I'm moved. Then I was like, I'm moving to LA, and I was. And and you want to know the craziest thing in the world? I still can't believe that this worked, knowing what I know now. I moved to LA and I had no job, I had nothing, but I knew that I I had been an extra on young and the restless, so I I'm not kidding you. I called dialed what is it, 411 information? Is that what you dial to get a phone number? You don't even have to do that anymore because you just Google what's the phone number or whatever. But at the time, what I needed the number to CBS, and then it gave me a number. I called it, and somebody's like, CBS, whatever they said. I said, Hey, uh, can you connect me to the young and the restless? One moment, please. Somebody answers the phone. I said, Hey, my name's Rob. Um, I was an extra on your show like six months ago, and uh I live here now, and I want to be an extra again. And they're like, Can you be here at eight in the morning? And I'm like, Yep, we'll see you then. And I that's awesome. And then so this time when I went back, I was like, Remember, do you remember me? I'm the guy that you were like, You want to be the bartender? And the guy was like, and it was the same guy, so he was like, I know, I don't, I don't remember anything that you're talking about. Looking at me like you let this guy in, right? Of course, they had either done away with the idea of having a bartender or already hired somebody else. But I was like, You wanted to give me the job, you kept asking me, and I didn't live here, but I live here now, so I want to be on this show. And the guy was like, That's not how it works, man.
SPEAKER_02See, John Marson really does have schizophrenia. You imagine the whole thing.
SPEAKER_06But I really I was like, to do that now, like I don't know, maybe you could just be like, uh CBF, yeah, right? Young of the Restless, I want to be an extra. Can you be here by eight in the morning? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01If you're confident you get laughed at, I would get laughed at.
SPEAKER_02I just maybe not you, but me, yeah.
SPEAKER_06No, well, but I mean, I could have too. But the thing is, they didn't, they didn't laugh at me. They said yes, come in. So I think that's sometimes, I mean, that's proof and point, right? Sometimes if you just ask, people are gonna say, Yeah, right on, yeah, we are looking for that. You can do it. Let's go. You you just don't know sometimes until you ask.
SPEAKER_02You don't ask, the answer is always no. Yep.
SPEAKER_06No doubt about that, no doubt. But and you can't, I mean, definitely can't expect for the answer to be yes just because you asked, but but at least there's a chance. It's it has worked in the past, I know that for sure.
SPEAKER_02Um, and while you were in LA, you had a job as a bartender working with Ben Davis, correct?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yes. Well, so neither one of us, I was a bartender at a different bar. Oh, okay. When when I worked with Ben, I was um a bar back, right? So at this real fancy bar in LA, I was the guy that stocked everything, basically, right? So if the uh had several different bars setups around inside the same uh area, right? It was a pool deck, is what it was this big giant pool deck. So they had like a cabana thing, and then they'd have a place over here that had drinks, and then all these different places, and uh they all because they were small, I guess, and the refrigerators were small, they would run out of stuff all the time. So there were several bar backs that you would just kind of rotate around. What do you need? Oh, you need this many more Miller lights. All right, let me go grab them. Then you'd put them in there, and there you go. Now they're they can keep on going and not run out of stuff. That same bar, Ben Davis, was the door guy. So he was like standing there, velvet rope. He was the guy that decided who got to come in and who didn't, and whatever. And uh there, okay. So actually, there were two doors at this bar. One of them it was a hotel pool deck, right? Hotel bar. And uh he worked at the door at the door where if you're a guest of the hotel, you automatically get access to the bar. You just had to show your room key or tell him your name and your room number or whatever, and he could verify that. And then, yeah, come on in. Um, then there was a door that was like out on the sidewalk, and that was for people who would call and make reservations and whatever. There was never ever a guest list, it was all pretend. But uh basically the rule was I'll just tell you this because sorry, uh LA Hollywood bars, I'm blowing your cover. Uh, but yeah, if you're a group of women, you're almost it's like, yeah, come on in. If you're a group, if you're a group of guys, no chance, you're not getting it. If you're a couple, if you're on a date, like there's two of you that are together, and you make that like we're here together, and it's just the two of us, and our reservation is this name, and you make it so that the other people standing around can hear, and you make it possible for the person to say yes, like as opposed to saying, can we come in? It's just the two of us. Do you have a reservation? No, you have to say, and our reservation is our name, and then they can fake and be like, Yeah, we have you right here, and they let you in, right? But so here's the deal if you're if you're a bunch of guys and you don't have any girls with you, the problem with guys is that when guys don't have, and this is the truth, and I've seen this and it's real. If guys are in a bar and they don't have girls to look at, then they start looking at each other, and when they start looking at each other, they fight each other. So all the girls that want because girls don't do that, right? So if you're a group of girls, you go anywhere you want. If you're a group of guys, you almost can't go anywhere. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that yeah, Ben and I worked together at that same bar for I don't know how long we were both there because I feel like I worked there for six months and then he showed up, and then I worked there for another maybe six, four to six months or whatever, and then I got a bartending job down the road, so I took that because it was better for me, but uh yeah, we worked together for however long, probably five or six years before we started working on Red Dead Redemption. So we've known each other for a long, long, we've known each other for almost 25 years now.
SPEAKER_02Wow, wow, that's right, yeah, crazy, but yeah, wild, and I think and then you ended up back in Indiana, yes.
SPEAKER_06So um, when when I got finished with Red Dead Redemption, oh my goodness, it was then uh Taylor, my wife, and I um we had been talking about how we wanted to get married and start a family, and she grew up in LA and she said, I want all the same things that you want, I just don't want to live in LA. I don't want to do that here. It's expensive and there's traffic and all the things. And I thought, yeah, to live in LA as a single person or even a married person, but with no kids is very different than living there with kids. So we decided to move back to Indiana because obviously, built-in network of help in my family. This is where I grew up, so my family's all still around, and uh yeah, moved and got married and uh had kids, and and the the other thing is like the biggest jobs that if you look at my resume, I don't even know, there's not much on there. I did a bunch of commercials, which were great, but uh nobody watches them, so that doesn't help your career expand, right? Um but my resume is really short, and the majority of the work that I've done, anything that anybody knows me from is the Red Dead series, right? So I booked it living in LA, but then Undead Nightmare and Red Dead Redemption 2, I didn't even know existed until I got phone calls, and I didn't live in LA anymore. Like I was like, oh my god, oh my goodness, yeah, I want to do I want to do Undead Nightmare, but I'm so sorry. I'm moved. I live in Indiana now, and they're like, oh no, no, all good. We're doing it in New York anyway. So thank god. Uh they were willing to to get me back and forth, but um that that was like the joke. I thought, okay, now I know how to book jobs in LA. You just quit, you just leave, and then they call you.
SPEAKER_05Oh my goodness, that's yeah, of course, for me, that's kind of the way it worked out. Oh my goodness. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And then you worked construction.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I started working construction when I was in high school. I always thought it was amazing uh to be able to, I mean, it's hard work, right? But to be able to start somewhere, whether it's the uh oh my goodness, I think the dog just got himself locked in the bathroom. Hold on, oh no. We're keeping that in the dog and the cat, same time. Oh no, I'm surprised we only just heard a little gentle scratch. Oh that could have been really bad. Um but yeah, so to go to work, to go to work and dive into a project and to know what it looked like in the beginning of the day and see what it looked like at the end of the day, it's such a cool feel, it's like instant gratification, right? And uh, I always enjoyed that, and I always enjoyed you know the tools that you use to build houses or whatever you're building, and and uh it was it was always something that I just really enjoyed, and I've always done it. I mean, even even now I love doing stuff around my own home. I don't work for anybody else doing that right now, but I would in a second, and I would love it. I'm sure I would love it. But yeah, I worked construction up until four years ago, like all throughout. Um, I guess when I was in LA doing Red Dead Redemption, I was a bartender and I'd still go to work. Uh, even on some of the days that I would shoot for Red Dead. If if it worked out that we get done and I could get over to work and do a shift, I would not every day, but a lot of them. Um but yeah, when when I was doing Undead Nightmare and Red Dead Redemption 2, I would travel to New York for two or three weeks or whatever they had me there for the shoot, and then I'd come home. And when I was home, I'd I'd do construction work, and I loved it. It's like a perfect balance, you know, of uh really hard, physical, dirty, like oh, exhaust, so tired, and what I'm so whatever doing construction work, and then the like almost opposite end of the spectrum where you know getting to play a character in this at that point, this franchise, I don't know, series of games that I knew that I loved so much. It was so so cool to have that balance between those two things. It was thinking it was really healthy for me, too. I never uh my my head never got too big because I'd come home and reality the guys the guys I worked with doing construction made sure that I wasn't ever too proud of myself.
SPEAKER_02And you worked you recently worked at a car dealership, right?
SPEAKER_06Yes, yes, so that's how I got out of doing construction, actually. I was doing concrete at the end of the of the construction life that I had, and I was exhausted, and my goodness, that really, really beats you up doing concrete work. Um and my neighbor is well at this point now, he has his own his own body shop, but he at the time was the manager of a car dealership's body shop in uh the town just the town over. And he was like, hey man, if you if you really want to get out of construction, I got a job for you, you may not want it. And I talked to him about it a few different times, but essentially I quit doing construction, concrete, you know, tough guy stuff to to become the and I'm not kidding you, secretary of this body shop. I was gonna answer the phone, and then I did all the paperwork, and I do all the stuff that the secretary did, and uh she moved on to another job and they needed to fill the role. And he was like, if you want to do it, we need somebody, if you want to do that, I'll hire you. And I was like, you know what? Yes, I do want to do it.
SPEAKER_02So I worked in car dealerships for 10 years.
SPEAKER_06Did you really? Oh my goodness, I'll tell you what, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I worked as receptionist for Toyota and Subaru. Subaru and Mazda, it was like the same store, but they had two uh brands, and then I graduated and started in the medical field and hated it, so I went back to dealerships and then for a little bit I was a horseback riding instructor and then back at dealerships, and I was at a Ford dealership. I did like when I was at the Ford dealership, they hired me to do the photos for their website and like their social media stuff, and then I was uh LaTeX.
SPEAKER_06Amazing. That's so it's so cool to I mean we something that we all probably uh rely on, right? As a big part of our life is our vehicle, or you know, like having ways around, and if you don't have to rely on it, good for you. But there's a lot to know about vehicles by the way that you buy them, the way that they're maintained, all of this different stuff.
SPEAKER_02Oh my goodness, and it's good to know, it's good to have an education about that because you can get more out of working as at a dealership than I did working in healthcare, right? I can take your blood pressure, but that's about it.
SPEAKER_06Well, what I so I I think that that's interesting too, because so my dad is retired now, but was a surgeon. My grandpa also was a surgeon in my whole life growing up. Everybody's like, well, so you're gonna be the next Dr. Weedoff, right? Ah really? No, we all know that's never gonna be a thing, right? But I did get to a certain point in my life where I thought, okay, I'm making money, I'm doing stuff, but I I don't care about anything that I'm doing, I don't have any interest in doing anything. And if I stop doing what I'm doing, they will replace me with somebody else, and it won't matter. I what I do doesn't matter, and I have no sense of purpose, and I stayed with it because it was consistent income and it was fine, whatever. But um, I did look into becoming a nurse myself, and this is not that long ago, where I thought, what what does it take? I mean, I mean, that it's not me being a doctor, uh, but I thought I would have a real sense of of purpose than helping people, even if you know I don't make a whole bunch of money. If I make enough, then I could feel like I'm actually doing something that's helping someone, and I am needed, and that's as far as I got. I think I looked into it and thought, okay, that's a lot of school just to be able to do this thing that pays this much. And I don't know, it's difficult. It's it's a tough field, isn't it?
SPEAKER_02It is. I I went to school, I got my associate's degree as a medical assistant. I had my degree and my certificate, and they offered me $11 an hour. And I was like, even with my degree and my certificate, and they were like, Yeah, you don't need those. And I was like, then why did I go to school, man?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So I I'd worked there and I hated it. Like, I just I'm too empathetic. I had a patient telling me that she was scared and she was crying and was holding my hand, and I'm like, I'm not cut out for this. I like went to my office and started crying, and then I went back to
SPEAKER_06car dealership and they offered me 13 an hour and I'm like hello heck yeah dude yeah let's go yeah so then you can sit there and be like service service is that way you need a salesperson they're over there you what do you let me transfer your call yeah oh my goodness yeah I mean there's it's hard to dealership life is fun though it well I love dealerships the so here's what I'd recognize and I don't I don't the owner of the dealership that I work for is a friend that I grew up with and is a really good friend and awesome and so there was that kind of aspect where I thought I really like my boss because he's my friend like was my friend before he was my boss and he's cool and I'm cool with him and whatever um but so when I was working at the body shop people I found are really really bummed out when their car is not done like like to a point where I think you're just not this is just not rational this is this behavior is weird and and ultimately what I decided I could be wrong about this but I think that people probably spend too much money on their car vehicle whatever because they want to appear like they've got some kind of status that they think matters to someone right and then something happens to it it gets dinged up or crashed or whatever and they don't have it and they're they're still making these payments that they can't afford but and it stresses them all the way out of course it does and so again that may be uh I may be wrong in thinking that but I think that I'm probably not not entirely no not entirely no so um I recognized and I didn't really know until the the lady who probably had a job very similar to yours was like the uh basically the person that sat at the front desk when you walk into the dealership we had one of those and she got pregnant and had to leave to go have her baby and then there's like hey man will you do this I yeah really you want me to be the first person that feels I got a man is cool come on sit down do it you know and I had to do different things there but people when they're buying a car are happy and excited they got their new shiny this is my new thing right so that I I recognize this is kind of fun because the vibe is right you know everybody's excited happy they got this new thing but when that thing got damaged oh yep I had some customers light me up a few times because service wasn't open or people weren't answering their calls and like I'm just the receptionist sir I don't get paid enough to care yeah I'm but get that gun out of my face I'm not the one like yep exactly oh yeah people you know it's weird I I think that you learn a lot of things being in the position like dealing with with people right but in both places right at the body shop I thought don't ever ever behave like that person that's embarrassing I'm embarrassed for that person because of the way they just spoke to me I'm not even really upset like I'm just embarrassed for them the way that but but I I learned that also sitting at the other desk where everybody's happy I thought I'm embarrassed for you now and I not that and I promise you I embarrass I I embarrass myself all the time and sometimes I'm not even aware of it.
SPEAKER_02Of course right we don't want to be that person but sometimes we just are and we don't know any better hopefully somebody is there to be like hey you're an idiot don't don't do that but I I learned a whole lot of things that I don't want to do I a lot of behavior that I don't want to copy just seeing what it looks like from somebody else and I thought I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about but you can you can learn you just reminded me when I worked at the Ford dealership when I was doing the photography and stuff um I had my my first acting gig there I was in the commercial for Roush Ford for um it was for like their online car buying thing and so they had me like they showed me on the uh on the couch like looking at a laptop searching for a car that I wanted to buy putting in my fake credit score and stuff and then like walking and pretending to buy it and like signing fake paperwork and then walking out and then shaking my boss's hand as he handed me the keys and they were like act more excited and so I like I like jumped I did like a little happy dance thing and they're like don't do the pee pee dance and I'm like so they they made me just go like and I'm like that looks worse. I wish my pee pee dance was cute.
SPEAKER_06It was cute real it was like all right this is oh my goodness this is what I do when I'm excited man that is so funny I love it well good you know what it oh when it came out when we watched it my friends at the front desk were like what are you doing with your hands I'm like they told me to I didn't want to do that I love it there's a guy there is a guy and he is so awesome he's so funny uh that works at the same dealership that I worked at who has those glasses that you can record stuff with oh yeah are they Ray Ban something where you met he's got those and he's he's got a series of like commercials now that he does he's one of the managers and he walks around the lot and and talks to people and and I think of course later is like do you care I I just recorded that with these glasses do you care if we do it but he's so funny and he's doing this thing and I think this I'll tell you what I want to go there now just because I want to go I want to go talk to this guy because he's so funny. I don't know it's just so hard to how do you get the right car commercial right you know like what is the the thing to do to like get people to come to your car to you know I so I made a video there we had um we had one of those like little kids like ride on motor trucks it was like a little raptor yeah and um I got one of the service techs to get in it and drive it into the service drive for a video and he's just like mad he can't like it he's like a full grown man and it's this little tiny kid's truck.
SPEAKER_02It wouldn't even get him up the hill into the service drive but we got we like show a video of him driving it in and he's like handing the fake key to one of the service advisors and they're like this is your truck and he's like yeah I can't afford a new one or something and so then we're like hold on we're like let's get you taken care of and so I had him like drive a real raptor so it's like yeah I traded in my my three year old raptor for a new one so stupid I'll tell you what that's that's like interesting though at least right I think that's cool.
SPEAKER_06I love that that's creative and something different so that's so funny.
SPEAKER_04Come down here and buy the boo two dollars down and you get nobody cares.
SPEAKER_02Yeah no I was like we're we're gonna do something fun I love it and and the so the service tech that drove it we had his kid come in with him because his kid is like the spitting image of him so we had his kid drive the wrap around first and made it look all old timey so it looked like he's been driving this since he was a little kid. Yeah and um that's funny because like our one of the sales managers he would have to like move the truck around so he would get in it and drive it around the inside the dealership and I was like okay I'm using that that is awesome maybe that's your maybe that's your calling you can be the use making car dealership commercials who's fun who is fun around here let's do this dealership life was fun I had fun co-workers one of them officiated my wedding I met my husband at a dealership these are my people right on good I think that's awesome definitely a happen in place I'm sure a car dealership oh there were so many prank wars there were some good pranks um well we should probably talk more about Red Dead because that's like the whole reason we're here and we're like an hour and 20 minutes in and we have hardly talked about Red Dead It's fine whatever we're hanging out exactly John Marston no secretariat to car dealership yes yes yes what is something John is confidently wrong about I don't know I want to say uh I think that I think the uh loyalty thing but I don't know that that's wrong just in that situation in this case it turned out to be wrong uh I think that probably if you've got if you've got something that deserves your loyalty then yeah that is the right move but uh he was very confident about being loyal to something that was not loyal to him didn't care about it didn't care about it so yeah he was very confidently very wrong about that uh again if it's if it is right to be loyal then it is right but he was very wrong about that do you think uh this isn't one of the questions I wrote but do you think Dutch was coming for John or do you think he was gonna leave John to hang in Sisica.
SPEAKER_06Can I I got so I know this is really hard and I'm stuttering all over the place. I'm trying to think of the best answer for this I haven't played Red Dead Redemption 2 yet I haven't played it oh I can't wait till you play it I'm gonna play it soon in fact tomorrow they're gonna get this computer all set up so that it can and then it's whenever everybody's available we're gonna start um so soon but I don't know the answer to that question I mean maybe uh I know you know like the conversations that I've had with Ben about the things that we worked on together and uh but I don't know I have to play I have to play this I think and really get a feel for it because I'll tell you this too I didn't ever play Red Dead Redemption I've seen people play it I've watched it and I've watched a lot of Red Dead too as well but um there's something very different about actually controlling playing the game right you see it differently of course you do you have to you have to focus on what you're doing so I look at Red Dead Redemption very differently now than I have for the last 17 years or whatever it's been um so yeah let me let me play Red Dead 2 first before I answer that question. Then I will then I will have a confident answer if that's okay.
SPEAKER_02That's fine.
SPEAKER_01I can't wait until you play it I can't wait to see that you're gonna hit that that moment when he gets back from Sysicon you're gonna be like this is what I think that's right I gotta excuse me I gotta go say it's fine we'll just probably we'll probably be in chat who am I kidding yeah stop remember when we did that thing I got my answers right here oh when John was gone for a year when he left the gang after Jack was born yeah where do you think he went and what do you think he was doing that so that's part of his uh dementia it's all part of it he just wandered up forgot that he was part of the band of the thing forgot all about it what do you mean I left the ginning I was here the whole time what getting he was like wandering up in the mountains going what dang like nobody out there I love that that's how the wolves that's how the wolves found him because he was out there you know just nonsense into the open space what getting called down in black water where's john john's up in the mountain here puppy that's right boy got me trying to go after bears last night um here's a good one so obviously of we've got Ben and Steve that came back to Red Dead 2.
SPEAKER_06How was it knowing how Dutch and Bill's and of course your own story as John ended how was it going from knowing what you knew was going to happen in Red Dead 1 to Red Dead 2 and seeing that all build up and then eventually fall apart at the end oh it was it was amazing actually because so at the time um I had seen enough gameplay and knew enough about the story to know who Bill Williamson was and who Dutch Vanderlyn was in relation to John right but in reality like the work that we did Ben even though he played two different characters in Red Dead Redemption he um he was only there like doing performance capture for like two weeks or something yeah and P and Peter excuse excuse me uh Steve was there for less time right so um I didn't know I didn't know those guys that that well until I mean I knew Ben because I knew Ben like but I didn't really get to know Steve really that well until we started working on Red Dead Redemption too. And then you know I mean I guess of course then we all had a kind of a special bond like well we know our characters make it you know and we'd be able to laugh and jump with other people um but yeah I mean I think that we talked a lot about you know the game Red Dead Redemption to make sense and to kind of reflect what we were working off of Red Dead Redemption and what we remembered from it and knew from it whatever but um I'm so glad that not only those characters were so much more developed because what amazing characters right um but also so many other characters were so well developed that makes a huge difference doesn't it I mean it makes it like the fact that people know the Vanderlyn gang as well as they do I mean you write in fanfiction about these characters that are not playable characters they're just that well developed that you know them you know them well enough to write about them and to make it make sense that is that is so cool I love that trying to write Dutch dialogue is like it's the worst because he's so well spoken you mean or or why mix of both just his phrasing for things are just complicated.
SPEAKER_02It's yeah he's such a complicated character our Dutch deep dive is gonna be wild yeah see I see I wanted to get for a Dutch episode I wanted to get Ben on and have like a licensed psychiatrist on and like really dig in the Dutch's character.
SPEAKER_06Well I tell you what if you oh my goodness yeah do get Ben on and Ben is one of and I'm not kidding you like I know a lot of people who are very successful in in different aspects as we all do right uh know people who are really smart in whatever it is that they do Ben Davis is really smart. I mean like I don't I don't know like he's he's really well read he's like he's like a crossword puzzle fanatic like not that make not that that like that helps your vocabulary sure right but it just keeps like the wheels turning and it keeps your keeps everything moving and and he's he's just I don't I don't know he's really really smart and if you talk to him about Dutch the thought that he has put into that character oh my goodness I can imagine I mean he I mean I love John he's definitely second favorite but Dutch is up there for the sheer complexity of that fucking character oh my god's still my favorite like there's no figuring him out and that's honestly one of the greatest things isn't that amazing yeah I I know it's so well written and then also I promise you if you talk to Ben and then and then you might think oh my goodness oh my goodness yeah well that thing I was trying to figure out now yeah that makes sense but now all this other stuff that I thought I knew I was wrong about it I don't know it it's it's pretty I hope that I hope that you can have that experience because it's that'd be so fascinating it would be great yeah I hope so okay back to John okay um what kinds of music would be on john's playlist if you were around in real life today I think john would I don't know this is it's hard for me to do this because I start sprinkling in my own kind of style understand what's fun you played them you played him it should be partially you well I mean I think John I think he would like uh I think he would like I don't I mean what's available to him then like if he has no no like today if he was around right now if you if we were to get John Marston's cell phone what music would be on it what a weird idea I think he would like uh I think he would like classic rock you know like 70s 80s kind of just rock you know it's still you don't even hear it there there is none of that anymore I don't think um I mean I still listen to it all the time yep but it's from the 70s and 80s yeah I put on 70s and 80s classic rock for my daughter when we're in the car and we jam out to it jam out to like Fleetwood Mac and Queen. Yeah good shit see that yes I think it is good but I'm saying like they don't make new oh they don't make yeah no but I would it wouldn't be called classic rock if it was made now but it's nothing sounds like it but I think John would be into it and like it um like the most the most uh modern our contemporary what's the word I'm looking for but like the most recent music I guess he would like probably would be like Molly crew or Guns N'Roses and you know I don't know A C D C maybe I was gonna say A C D C Metallica you know like but um I don't know maybe that's because that's the kind of stuff that I gets me wound up that I say that.
SPEAKER_02I mean I I can see it. Yeah that was that was gonna be my guess was gonna be like yeah because either that or like butt rock like uh what am I thinking of um did you just say butt rock yeah you've never heard butt rock before no is that a thing or did you never I'm thinking of like like nickelback or like oh goodness I'm looking at my playlist hold on wait a minute did you just say nickelback and then say your playlist are you a nickelback fan no no I like one nickelback song and that's it no I'm thinking of like like Buckcherry or like uh okay God smack or all right yeah yeah yeah right on there's Metallica on here Papa Roach okay puddle of mud yeah butt rock butt rock or it's it's referred to now as divorced dad rock right on I have never heard butt rock like Cether dude there was a video on TikTok about someone saying that uh a song by Caether is in like top 10 best songs ever written and they're like that song by Caether isn't even the top 10 first Cether songs I don't know that I know did you say first Caether Cether yeah I don't think I've ever even heard of that band.
SPEAKER_01Um I was like a 14 year old listening to divorced dad music that I didn't hate that music but I don't think I've ever heard it I could picture John liking like Rage Against the Machine too yeah I think so I see a lot of stuff online too of like people talking about like the gang and like what they would do like modern day type of stuff and so many people just picture John as like a punk rocker and I'm like hell yeah like it's great.
SPEAKER_06Cowboy yeah emo that's awesome yeah heck yeah that would be awesome John you know like a lot of good artists have gone through traumatic stuff right like a lot of comedians are funny because it's a way for them to protect themselves of their reality or whatever you know what I mean like I not all of them thank god but John would have he would have experience right that would you think he'd be a he'd be a comedian I don't know that John would be a comedian but but I think that if he was an artist and he had something that he could do I think he'd be a good one because I think he's got he's got a lot of like you know like how do you I don't know you like you do this you do this really well you do a lot of artistic things really well like is that are you is it emotional like are you emotional when you do that stuff are you uh are you just you're just good just good at it like it's just easy for me and I don't know I just am good at it I think it's more of like escapism for me like everything around me is too loud I need everyone to shut the fuck up and let me just make art and be lost in my own thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah well that's what I'm saying I used to ride horses and that was like I would lose myself in it I the rest of the world was gone and it was just me and a horse and now I can't really ride anymore because of injuries.
SPEAKER_06And so now I write stories about riding horses yeah listen it's it to find that place right that kind of I don't know if it's a safe place or whatever it is but whatever it I mean I think that a lot of artists are really good at what they because they get so focused in because it takes them away from whatever I think John would be an amazing artist if he could find his thing you know what I mean I doesn't he like whittle in camp he could like do wood carving maybe yeah maybe that would be his thing if he was a punk rocker I don't know what would rocker lumberjack I think john would be a bass player wouldn't he oh a thousand or a drummer I could see him being a drummer yeah maybe he would be I don't know but yeah I'd pay for that I'd play that I'd play that Red Dead there we go rockstar there's new DLC idea there you go red dead meets rock band rock star rock band awesome I love that how do you relate to John and how are you different from john ooh well I do I do relate to John in a way that I think that a lot of people relate to John which is uh I think that we all john okay so John in Red Dead Redemption too when he's younger right he's he's a punk and he's just uh an annoying like hard to even look at because you're so annoyed with the attitude and the trying too hard and all the things right um but at that time john was watching Arthur get all this love from the people that were like the father figures to to each of them right and he wanted that because that looked like something special that he thought I I want that praise from these people that we look up to and um he may have gotten to a point where he could receive that from them and feel good about it um eventually but instead what he recognized is that it was more important to him to uh really like fulfill what he found eventually to be I think his purpose which was to be a good father and a good husband and um thank god he found that before he ever fulfilled probably his desire to get this admiration from these people that he looked up to because whether he ever got it or not it didn't mean a thing to anybody right I mean if it did John it would have first split second and then he would recognize ah I got it now I gotta do something else to stay here. Anyway um so I do I do relate to him and I think I in my life it wasn't the Vanderlyn gang that I was trying to impress right wasn't uh obviously anything like that but just in in my life swap out the Vanderlyn gang with um I don't know my sister was a senior in high school when I was a freshman in high school and so all of her friends I looked up to all of them and they all were cool with me because I was my sister's little brother and they like my sister so they were like yeah it can't be a jerk to him because he's Kimberly's little brother but they know they never looked at me as their equal right and they never you know what I mean so I think that I had that like I want I want to be at their level um so I think that that was similar um and then I think that I recognized too like like John when I found something that actually meant something to me that's real um which is my wife and kids happens to be the same kind of thing I guess um or maybe this is me projecting onto John what I think John learned but I think he did too um nothing else matters you know what I mean so we are similar in that way maybe both of those ways but John I guess he and I are very different out obviously in in he's way tougher than I would ever be uh I I'm one of those people that uh when I see stuff get real serious I mean I guess it depends on what it is like if somebody's talking trash to me I can let it roll off my back maybe a lot of people are this way if you're talking trash to one of my friends though then I'm the first one to stand right up and be like no that's that's not you're done now you know but then I I'm not tough enough to do that so I also have to find an escape route when I do that oh my goodness see that's why you need to do Hapkido there we go yeah and then I can talk all the trash yeah yeah you get to talk all the trash oh yeah I probably I probably should not learn how to do it then for that alone watching me walk around just trash talking everybody bite me I'll put you on your ass what I'm John Arson come at me bro I'll karate chop you man yeah oh goodness watch out for my knife hands I would definitely hurt myself it's fine you if a guy can get a knee replacement and start doing it you can do it too well yeah maybe maybe that's true if I can do it my back and my knee are both fucked and I can do it well you're tough as you have to yeah I do I love it well I'm good I'm so happy for you that you're enjoying it that's awesome thank you um there's one more uh John well sort of a John theory theory that we didn't talk about uh um the theory is that Red Dead is just a book written by Jack Marston in 2013 in GTA there's a book by Jay Marston called Red Dead Redemption yeah in GTA you know I to answer your question or uh I forget what my question was we were talking about Jack Jack Jack oh yeah yeah I think Red Dead is all a book written by Jack yeah I think that I think that makes sense too I mean I think it does I don't know I I think that um goodness if it if it was if it was Jack's story I don't know the only thing I don't know about it uh you know what I'm just trying to think like would he write that about his dad the guy that is his dad um when they didn't have uh much of a relationship for the majority of the time that they were together right I mean they really weren't together very often I mean John at the beginning of Red Dead Redemption 2 was like that's not my leave me alone that's not my kid go away Abigail um what if what if Jack wrote it that way as it is in Red Dead so that he was writing John to be his father because he looked up to John but Dutch was really his father and he didn't like him wow well I mean I can I that would you could make sense of that too couldn't you I just think like at the end at the end when John uh was with Jack he was trying to teach him he was trying to teach him this is how you hunt this is how you take care of this is how you become a man um and and then obviously Jack appreciated john enough their relationship somehow was strong enough for him to go and and do what he does there at the end of Red Dead Redemption right um so he didn't totally completely wasn't terribly upset with john maybe to an extent he was but um my goodness oh wow so jack's jack is a writer he just wrote the whole thing red dead redemption the series never happened it's just a book by Jack Marston just fiction by John Marston or Jack Marston yeah well technically john marston because in red dead wants credits it is john marston jr what yeah I didn't know that if you watch the credits it's John Marston Jr. Josh Baylock it's not Jack it's not Jack what neither of you knew that no no oh my goodness I went I I watched I did watch the credit but I didn't look I was more like looking at instead of character names I was looking at the other names because I know the people yeah but yeah yeah it's I didn't know that so then how can that why would Dutch name his son John Marston Jr well I mean Abigail chose John basically so Abigail Abigail likes John she likes him she cares about him she cares about john in the way that a person who loves someone cares about them right uh Dutch loves John Dutch loves John yeah that's he loves John he loves John because he has trained John to obey and so he loves that because that gives him power that's a weapon of his and he loves that because he wants that power but it's a different kind of love right um Jack Dad on poor Jack but did Jack always think that John was his dad yeah so he just thought I don't get it I don't get why my dad's a dummy yes and then and then it got to an age where he was like all right dad's trying so he's not so bad after all whatever um I don't know I don't know it's possible that it's all made up but yeah that would that would be the one thing if unless Jack like made all of the names up too no he wouldn't have he couldn't have because his name then wouldn't be Marston I mean if he put himself into the story he could I guess yeah do it yeah I'm just trying to think like why would if Dutch is Jack's dad if Jack never knew that if he was always told this is your dad then it all made sense but if and at the time right I mean Jack I'm just trying to make sense of it all like if if Dutch was telling the truth and the we all had her then yeah there is no idea there's no way to know no right no because even then I mean he'd be 80 by the time that even the DNA testing would be invented so yeah so um I know that you you can see that John did not just jump right in and say okay I'm gonna be the one that plays the role as your father but nobody else did either no nobody else did either go on it so yes John is Jack's dad yes he is for all the people any fun fan experiences since you've been meeting fans at cons and stuff yeah oh my goodness uh all of them I mean the so it's a it's a weird weird deal where um those of us that get to go and be the guests at these comic cons I don't know why um any of us are there I mean I get it we're the ones that played the role of these characters but really when you think about what it takes to make the characters look the and and be the characters that they are right the the lines that the these actors myself included say out loud we didn't write that we didn't we didn't come up with anything we did the best we could with the material that we were given but in order to bring a video game character to life the way that Rockstar does my goodness it takes thousands of people right um so we're very very fortunate to be able to go and have these interactions with fans face to face um and I think every one of us recognizes how fortunate we are to be in a position to do that and we all really appreciate it. So um I I think that I have been completely blown away by cosplays. I mean almost everywhere I go I see another one where I think that's it. That's the best one I've ever seen and it's different characters right it's not just John.
SPEAKER_02It's uh fascinating how talented people can be with cosplays and the art that they have created and given to me and the different things that everybody's come up with not only to give to us but to share with each other I think is it's something that we all see you're very supportive to us which is amazing but to see you all be very supportive to each other is incredible and oh my goodness that's that's the best possible thing that could have ever happened because you're cheering each other on and encouraging each other and the and the stuff that's coming out of that the podcasts that we get to enter you know enjoy being part of and the and the the artwork and the the fan fiction and the all the creative things that have come from people who never stepped foot in rock star's property you know what I mean and uh it's fascinating and so I think more than anything for me I've I have enjoyed watching all of that just looking at it and thinking oh my goodness this is this community of people is it's not that they're fans they're they're friends we're all friends i it's that is the most special thing that could ever possibly have happened we're all supportive and appreciative of each other how does it get better than I don't think it doesn't get better than that I don't think so that would be my answer I think my goodness amazing good answer good answer yeah it just keeps coming too I mean that's the thing it's like it's it's such a big creative supportive group it just keeps getting stronger and bigger and more impressive and everything so uh yeah amazing well done um but yeah and and so I I mean I can tell you too thank you though I love the John design it looks so good where can everyone find you on gym buddies why can where can everyone find your information where where do they need to go what do they do so tell us about gym buddies gym buddi I mean my goodness so that that now and you know what's so funny is that I've I've really recognized in the last two weeks how I've changed up the format of my YouTube channel not a lot but enough and I've recognized that uh there are people who've told me that they really love the gym buddy stuff and it's helped them get in shape and they appreciate having somebody to do it with and the support whatever of of being part of a community there too right um but I've recognized that people are are much more interested in hanging out while I'm doing cooking
SPEAKER_06Videos or putting Legos together or doing yard like random yard work. People are like, I love it, more of this, or building a fire. I mean, I think whatever. I mean, hey, listen, I want to hang out and party. Let's do it where everybody can enjoy themselves the most. But um, so gym buddies is where it all began, but now it's kind of expanded into several different things. But yeah, so Rob underscore weed off on YouTube, and uh you'll know there are hundreds at this point of videos of me doing all kinds of who knows just like Rob tries things. Yes, yes, and and I mean I tell you what, and there are some special guest videos. Hopefully, there will be more um that I've been able to add to it. But um yeah, Rob underscore weed off, and then I guess I'm on Instagram as Rob underscore weed off, and I'm not there really much at all anymore. Most of the stuff that I do is on YouTube. There is a fake somebody somehow hacked into my TikTok account, uh, which was I have the same username for every platform. It made it real simple. Rob underscore weed off. Somebody hacked into that and took it, and TikTok's like, yeah, they got it, I guess. You can't have it back. I don't know what to do about it. I can't get it to come, I can't get it to come down. So I just I have another real, I think it's real. So stupid. I have I actually have seen recently that people put not real Rob Weed off TikTok account. And there's a bunch of fucking. I think, well, thank you. I mean, at least you've made it clear that it's not real. I don't, I mean, does anybody even read the names of these things? I don't know. Oh my goodness. Anyway, I don't I don't do much on TikTok at all. At all. So YouTube is where it's at for me now. Anyway, sorry.
SPEAKER_02All right, you're good. All right, well, thank you for coming on with us.
SPEAKER_06Thank you so much for having me. Really cool to talk with both of you. I'm glad you're both doing well, and I'm I'm so excited to see what comes of all this. See more guests and yeah. This is gonna be awesome. I love it. Well, thanks again for having me. Enjoy the rest of your day.
SPEAKER_02You too. Bye. Take care.