1. a sophisticated operation

On April 22, 2016, someone murdered eight members of one extended family across four houses in one night. Ten years later the state of Ohio says it's solved the Pike County Massacre. But can you trust the state's story? 

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SPEAKER_17 0:00

Imagine for a moment that you are accused of a murder. You didn't do it, and you don't know who did, but there's a prosecutor who insists you're the murderer. And the prosecutor wants you to confess. What would that prosecutor need to do to you to get you to falsely confess to a murder you didn't commit? How much pressure would they need to put on you? What threats would they need to make? What if they told you that if you didn't confess, they could easily pin the murder on someone you love? Imagine the person you love most in the world. They're saying they could easily pin the crime on that person, even though that person had nothing to do with the murder either. Would you confess to save the person you love? What if they told you that if you didn't confess, they'd lock up every member of your immediate family and then seek the death penalty against each of them? But if you confess, they won't do that. What if they charge you with the murder and lock you up in jail pending trial without bail? And they get a judge to forbid any of your family or friends or loved ones from having any contact with you whatsoever. And then they keep you there in that jail with no contact from your loved ones for year after year after year. And they do the same thing to each member of your immediate family, separated, in jails, with no contact for years. And then after three years of that kind of isolation, they tell you that the only way you'll ever hear from anyone you love ever again, and the only way they'll ever hear from you for the rest of your life or theirs, is if you confess to this crime you know you didn't commit. Then would you say you did it?

SPEAKER_10 2:04

Breaking news here at 6:10 charged in the 2016 Roden family massacre in Pike County is now pleading guilty to eight counts of aggravated murder.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

It has been years of court hearings until Jake Wagner decided to sit down with investigators just in the last few months. That led to the biggest break in the case and today's stunning admission of guilt.

SPEAKER_25 2:29

Curiosity remains for many as to why Wagner, after five years, finally had a change of heart to tell the truth.

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By changing his plea Thursday, Jake Wagner has taken the death penalty off the table for not only himself, but his parents and his brother.

SPEAKER_17 3:00

Well, in the story I'm about to tell you, I'm convinced that's exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_18 3:20

Just minutes ago, a second member of the Wagner family pleaded guilty in connection to the largest murder investigation in Ohio's history. And their confessions were it. So far, no DNA evidence linking the Wagners to any of the four crime scenes.

SPEAKER_17 3:37

Prosecutors threw a bunch of circumstantial stuff at the wall, but they didn't have real evidence. No solid physical evidence connecting these people to the crime.

SPEAKER_25 3:55

Eight members of the Roden family were killed execution style, and authorities were left with almost no evidence. Then Jake started talking.

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When you hear this story, it might make you angry.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

In the end, Judge Randy Deering sentenced Wagner to eight consecutive life terms.

SPEAKER_17 4:28

You might, like me, think that four innocent people were railroaded, and those four people are sitting in a prison right now for a horrific crime that they didn't commit.

SPEAKER_16 4:38

Ohio Governor Mike DeWine was the attorney general when the murders happened.

SPEAKER_17 4:45

You might be shocked by the reason prosecutors squeezed out these false confessions. What a prosecutor has to do is tell a story. I'll tell you right here, right now, at the beginning of this story, this was cold, cold, cold blood, that I believe a career politician did it to win an election.

SPEAKER_11 5:01

Yes, indeed. I am announcing I am a candidate for governor.

SPEAKER_17 5:08

If at the end of this you feel that way, I hope you'll do something about it.

SPEAKER_11 5:30

This was a pre-planned execution of eight individuals. It was a sophisticated operation.

SPEAKER_17 5:40

This crime is often referred to as the Pike County Massacre, or sometimes the Piketon Massacre. For years, the Pike County Massacre baffled investigators.

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So far, no one's been arrested, but Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine says this case is a top priority.

SPEAKER_11 5:57

We really do know a whole lot more than we did the first time I stood up in front of you all.

SPEAKER_17 6:02

But in 2018, state police finally arrested four people.

SPEAKER_11 6:07

We promised that the day would come when arrests would be made in the Pike County massacres. Today is that day.

SPEAKER_17 6:15

Those four people, they were another family.

SPEAKER_18 6:17

Yeah, hi guys, we can't remember a story like this. Four members of the same family could all be headed to death row.

SPEAKER_17 6:24

But this family of four, the Wagners, none of them had ever even been accused of committing a violent crime in their lives. And Tom, you looked into the Wagner family's background.

SPEAKER_18 6:34

Did you find anything as far as criminal history?

SPEAKER_12 6:36

No, nothing as far as uh, you know, crimes that would be deemed serious. I found one of the young Wagner uh guys had a speeding ticket. And the supposed motive for the crime?

SPEAKER_11 6:47

I just might tell you this is just the most bizarre story uh I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_17 6:52

It's so weird and convoluted that everyone who hears this motive uses the same word to describe it. Unbelievable. Of course, they mean unbelievable in the sense of it being shocking, but when you hear this motive for the worst mass murder in Ohio history, I think you'll find it's just not believable.

SPEAKER_23 7:11

It's hard to imagine that eight people would lose their lives over such a flimsy motive, but it's true.

SPEAKER_17 7:20

After studying it for more than three years, I'm gonna start telling you step by step right now what I think happened in this investigation. I'll tell you the whole story, and you decide for yourself if you think I'm right. April 22nd, 2016. The sun is coming up over the Appalachian Hills, clearing the last bits of an overnight rainstorm. It's springtime in Pike County, which is at the southern end of Ohio, about an hour and a half east of Cincinnati. The Pike County Sheriff's Office readies for another slow day. Pike County does have its share of crimes, mostly due to poverty and the opioid crisis that's ravaging Appalachia in the 2010s. But hardly anybody ever gets killed in Pike County. Earlier this year, an old guy died in a bar fight, but before that it had been years since the last homicide. Just before 8 a.m. though, a call comes into 911. Sheriff's deputies race to a part of Pike County that has little houses and trailers spread far apart along country roads. About a mile from the address the 911 caller gave, the deputies see somebody, a man frantically waving at them, trying to get them to pull over. He's pointing at a house, but that house is at a different address from the one the 911 caller gave. So the deputies speed past the man to the address the caller gave. They pull up to a mobile home. Outside they see two women and one man, all crying. One of the women holds a toddler, the other holds an infant. Both of those little children are alive, but they're covered in blood. The women point the deputies to the trailer. They draw their guns, open the trailer door, and step into the front room. There's blood everywhere, and a wide streak of it leads to the back of the trailer. They step to the back of the trailer where they find two lumps on the floor under blankets. They lift one blanket and find a tangle of blood, bone, and muscle. It barely looks like a person. They lift the second blanket and find a body with a bullet wound in its head. They radio the sheriff's office for help. Then the distraught women outside the trailer point the deputies toward another trailer, just a few hundred feet up the road. They run up to the second trailer and go in. This time they don't see blood right away, but in a back room, they find a man and a woman together in bed, dead, also with gunshot wounds to their heads. The deputies remember the man up the road who'd been frantically waving at them, and they race to the little farmhouse he'd been pointing at. Outside that house, they find a woman holding one of the tiniest babies they'd ever seen. The baby is alive, but like the toddler and infant they saw down the road, also covered in blood. Inside that farmhouse, three bedrooms, three bodies, all with gunshot wounds to their heads. Seven victims in three houses. In less than 15 minutes, the deputies had seen more murder victims than all of Pike County had for years. Police backup and EMTs arrive within minutes. They check the toddler and the two babies that are covered in blood. All three of those children are not injured. The deputies notify Pike County Sheriff Charles Reeder. Now I just want to pause for a moment and say that Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader is absolutely crucial to understanding the investigation into the Pike County Massacre, why it goes the way it does, and possibly maybe into understanding what happened the night of the massacre. We'll get to all of that. Now, I don't know where Sheriff Reader is when he gets the call about the seven murders, or how he reacts to the news, but I would love to know. When you hear more about Sheriff Reader, you'll know why. Sheriff Reader shows up at the first trailer pretty quickly. He's a tall guy with red hair and a crew cut, and he has thick stubble and big bags under his eyes. At the time of the massacre, Reader's been sheriff of Pike County for only seven months. But Sheriff Reader's first seven months on the job have been rough. Two of his deputies have recently been arrested for off-duty crimes. One of them shot a guy and tried to cover it up. The guy lived. The other deputy beat a man within an inch of his life. The entire Pike County Sheriff's Department only has a handful of deputies. Sometime that morning of the massacre, I'm not exactly sure when, Sheriff Reeder calls the state of Ohio's Bureau of Criminal Investigation. BCI, as it's called, is like Ohio's version of the FBI. It has experienced investigators and crime labs, and it's run by the state's attorney general. Small police departments like Pike Counties, which usually don't have much homicide experience, can call on BCI for help when they have a crime that they're not equipped to investigate. But BCI is headquartered in Columbus, which is an hour and a half drive from Pike County, and it'll take BCI agents a little time to mobilize. So for the first two hours after he arrives, Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader has control of the three crime scenes, and he can pretty much do what he wants. I wish I could tell you exactly what Sheriff Reader does at the crime scenes during these two hours when they're fully under his control. And again, when you hear more about Sheriff Reader, you'll know why. One thing we know Reader does, he questions the woman who made the first 911 call. Her name is Bobby Joe Manley. She says the first home belongs to her brother-in-law, the second home belongs to her nephew, and the third home belongs to her sister. And they're all dead. Bobby Joe says she and two of her friends arrived at her brother-in-law's trailer that morning to feed the farm animals he keeps on his property. Her brother-in-law pays her to take care of them. His name is Chris Roden Sr. Bobby Joe says she found Chris Roden Sr. and Chris's cousin Gary Roden dead in that first trailer. They're the ones mangled beyond recognition under blankets on the floor. Bobby Joe says she then called her brother, James Manley, and then called 911. Bobby Joe says she ran to the second trailer where her nephew, Frankie Roden, that's Chris Roden Sr.'s son, lives with his fiancee, Hannah Gilly. Frankie has a three-year-old from a previous relationship, and Frankie and Hannah have a six-month-old together. Bobby Joe says she banged on the door of Frankie's trailer and was surprised when the three-year-old answered. She got him to open the door, and then she found Frankie and Hannah Gilly in bed, both dead, but with their six-month-old alive between them. Bobby Joe says when her brother arrived, she sent him to check on the house up the road. He went up there and found his and Bobby Joe's sister, Dana Roden. She's Chris Roden's ex-wife and Frankie Roden's mother, dead in one of the bedrooms. He found Dana and Chris's 16-year-old son, Chris Jr. dead in another bed. Then he found Dana and Chris's 19-year-old daughter, Hannah May, dead in a third bedroom. Hannah May's newborn baby laid next to her, alive. Seven people. Their 20-year-old son Frankie, and his 20-year-old fiancee Hannah Hazel Gilly. Chris Senior and Dana's 19-year-old daughter, Hannah May, and 16-year-old son Chris Jr. And Chris Sr.'s first cousin, 38-year-old Gary, are all dead. Chris Senior and Dana's grandchildren, the three-year-old, the six-month-old, and the newborn, have all survived. Bobby Joe and James Manley tell Sheriff Reader that they hadn't seen anyone coming or going, and they have no idea who could have killed their seven family members. Reader orders his deputies to take Bobby Joe and her brother James down to the sheriff's office for questioning. Meanwhile, news of the gruesome discoveries quickly moves up the chain of command at the Bureau of Criminal Investigation in Columbus until it reaches the top dog, Attorney General Mike DeWine. DeWine knows right away that this is big. With seven people shot to death, it already ties a 2011 mass shooting for the deadliest in Ohio state history. And this one is different. In the 2011 mass shooting, police killed the gunman at the scene, but the Pike County shooter appears to be at large. Mike DeWine orders a driver to take him to Pike County immediately. Most people probably can't name their state's attorney general. But that's not the case in Ohio in 2016. The man now racing toward Pike County is one of the best known people in the state.

SPEAKER_18 18:15

Susan, we're here with former Senator, now the Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine. Mike DeWine served as a congressman, a state senator, also a county prosecutor.

SPEAKER_17 18:23

At 69 years old, Mike DeWine has been in the public eye for 44 years. He's a career politician, having run for elected office 12 different times and holding five different major offices.

SPEAKER_24 18:35

You are the definition of a career politician. Your face could be in the dictionary under career politician. What do you say to people who have that thought about a career politician such as yourself?

SPEAKER_11 18:47

I think ultimately what's important to the people of the state of Ohio is they want someone who has proven they can get the job done.

SPEAKER_17 18:55

But as of 2016, Mike DeWine has never held the one office he's always dreamed of holding: Governor of Ohio.

SPEAKER_21 19:02

Some candidates like to play coy with their political intentions. Mike DeWine has never been one of them.

SPEAKER_11 19:08

Well, I've not made a secret of my interest in running for governor.

SPEAKER_17 19:12

DeWine grew up in Yellow Springs, Ohio, about an hour and a half north of Pike County. His family had been there for six generations, and over those generations, they built up enormous wealth and power. Back in the 1800s, the DeWine families started a little business selling animal feed to farmers. Over the next few generations, that little business grew into a huge corporation, one of the largest agribusinesses in the world. Mike DeWine inherited his family's wealth, and he didn't ever have to work for money. He collected hundreds of thousands of dollars a year just from the gains on his family's investments. But his mother was active in the Ohio Republican Party, and DeWine caught the politics bug from her.

SPEAKER_11 19:54

Ladies and gentlemen, I'm Mike DeWine, Lieutenant Governor of the State of Ohio.

SPEAKER_17 19:59

He would later say that from very early on in his life, he dreamed of becoming governor of his state.

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Joining us is Representative Michael DeWine. He's a Republican from Ohio, first elected in 1982.

SPEAKER_17 20:10

DeWine started young and moved up fast. He went to law school, and then in 1976, he ran for a local prosecutor's office and won.

SPEAKER_08 20:17

Mike DeWine began his political career in Green County in 1976. From there, DeWine went on to the State House in Columbus, and he's now Ohio's lieutenant governor. Then he ran for the U.S. Congress and he won.

SPEAKER_26 20:30

Representative Michael DeWine, Republican of Ohio and a member of the House Senate Select Iran Contra Committee hearing.

SPEAKER_07 20:36

Then he moved all the way up to the U.S. Senate. He became U.S. Senator Mike DeWine. We now leave this program to go live to Capitol Hill for a news conference by Ohio Senator Mike DeWine. This morning he's meeting with reporters to talk about the upcoming Senate impeachment trial of President Clinton. But the timing for a run for governor of Ohio just never quite worked out.

SPEAKER_11 20:56

I am a lucky man because for 30 years, the people of this state have given me the precious opportunity to represent them.

SPEAKER_17 21:18

Reporters said his political career was likely over, but Mike DeWine still had his dream.

SPEAKER_10 21:23

Joined now by Mike DeWine, who has now jumped back into the political fray. Why did you decide to come back into politics? You know a lot of people rationale.

SPEAKER_17 21:32

In 2009, he announced a bid for Attorney General of Ohio.

SPEAKER_11 21:35

The Attorney General's job is unique, and the Attorney General of Ohio must be above politics. Yeah, we run as partisans, but once in office, we have to conduct that office in a non political way.

SPEAKER_17 21:51

It was odd for a former United States Senator to run for state attorney general. It's kind of a demotion.

SPEAKER_10 21:57

Okay, so what do you think the big difference will be between being Senator? And being attorney general.

SPEAKER_17 22:02

But Dewine saw a path to his dream job. The timing of the race for Attorney General would set him up perfectly for a later race for governor.

SPEAKER_09 22:10

There's a lot of talk about the next election in 2018. Have you been doing any talking with folks about a possible run for governor? Well, I think it's probably too early to publicly talk about that.

SPEAKER_17 22:20

And right away, Ohio political columnists named Mike DeWine the front runner to take the governorship in 2018.

SPEAKER_21 22:27

DeWine continues to sidestep speculation he is officially a candidate for governor, even though he's been widely touted as the front runner ahead of others who have already thrown their hats into the ring. But he apparently is paying attention.

SPEAKER_17 24:14

Almost as soon as DeWine arrives, an emergency call comes in.

SPEAKER_28 24:19

I don't know what can I help you? Yeah, I need uh damping amount to close the 799 Westport. Okay. Um, if all this stuff is on the news, um I I just found I just found my cousin with a gun jump line. No, no.

SPEAKER_17 24:40

Chris Roden Sr.'s cousin Kenneth Roden lives by himself, more than 12 miles from Chris Sr. and Dana and their children, in a trailer hidden so deep in the woods that it doesn't even have an address.

SPEAKER_28 24:54

It's close to 799. I don't know what his address is. He doesn't have a box.

SPEAKER_17 24:59

Kenneth Roden hadn't picked up his phone that morning, so a relative goes to check on him. The relative finds Kenneth alone in his bedroom with a gunshot wound to his head, the eighth victim of the Pike County massacre.

SPEAKER_22 25:13

There are breaking developments in the massacre in Pike County we've been telling you about all day. Just moments ago, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said an eighth shooting victim had been found.

SPEAKER_17 25:23

With eight people killed, this is now the deadliest mass murder in Ohio history.

SPEAKER_13 25:28

Clearly, as we look at these live pictures together, you can see that agencies still keep arriving uh together to help out in the situation.

SPEAKER_17 25:36

Sheriff's deputies bring Attorney General DeWine to the main crime scenes at Chris Roden Sr.'s property. They pass throngs of news crews that have already arrived to report on the murders.

SPEAKER_19 25:48

I can tell you that uh we are on uh Union Hill Road. This is where uh law enforcement and uh other emergency responders are staging. We just really don't know a whole lot yet because uh the law enforcement is just still on the scene, obviously, and trying to sort out who's who are the victims, what happened.

SPEAKER_17 26:05

CNN cuts away from its ongoing coverage of the death of the artist formerly known as Prince to report live from Pike County.

SPEAKER_03 26:12

Latest on that multiple murder in Ohio, as they warn local residents of gunmen who are still on the loose.

SPEAKER_17 26:18

At the crime scenes, DeWine meets Sheriff Charles Reeder for the first time, and Reeder leads him into each of the homes. DeWine's never seen anything like what he sees inside. Nobody has. DeWine's communication director arrives at the crime scene, and the attorney general tells her to assemble the waiting news media so he can give a statement.

SPEAKER_11 26:40

This is a horrible tragedy that has occurred here.

SPEAKER_17 26:44

DeWine has been in town less than two hours when he makes his first TV appearance.

SPEAKER_11 26:48

Each one of the victims appears to have been executed. Each one of the victims appears to be shot in the head.

SPEAKER_20 27:02

I'm Pike County Sheriff Charles Reader. Right now we have no one in custody. There is a strong possibility that any individuals involved with this are armed and extremely dangerous.

SPEAKER_17 27:16

There's a moment at this first press conference that sticks out to me. This may be a little hard to hear, but a reporter asks Sheriff Reeder if he personally knows the Roden family.

SPEAKER_20 27:31

We have a small county. I am familiar with the Roden family.

SPEAKER_17 27:35

I am familiar with the Roden family. That's all Sheriff Reeder says, and pretty much all he'll ever say about his personal connection to the Rodents. It's a little strange. If this small town sheriff personally knows the victims of this horrible crime in his community, why not say something nice about them? Why not say how important it is to him personally that this crime gets solved? Try to keep this in mind later on that Sheriff Charles Reeder really doesn't want to talk about his personal connections to the rodents.

SPEAKER_11 28:08

Let me just say I'm so very, very impressed with the sheriff and his department, and will continue to work uh on this with the sheriff's office uh until we know who did it.

SPEAKER_17 28:20

Meanwhile, detectives from the Bureau of Criminal Investigation combed through the four homes where the rodents had died. The killer or killers had gotten into each of them at some point the night before. Three out of the four homes show no signs of forced entry. It looks like someone may have opened and entered through the windows, but the evidence isn't conclusive. In three of the four houses, the victims are still in their beds, each shot in the head without defensive wounds, like maybe they were still asleep when they were murdered. But one of the homes is different. The first one, where Chris Rodin Sr. and his cousin Gary were found on the floor and appear to have been covered with blankets by the killer or killers. Chris's trailer has a screen door in front that opens outward. The screen door has two bullet holes in it, but the wooden door behind it doesn't have any holes. It looks like Chris might have been at his doorway when the killers arrived, with his wooden doorway opened inward and his screen door opened outward. It looks like the killer or killers fired the first shots at Chris from outside the trailer through the screen door. Chris and his cousin Gary are the only victims out of all eight who don't seem to have been in bed when they were attacked and who appear to have defensive wounds. Chris has been shot nine times, far more than any of the other victims. He looks like a victim of what they call overkill. His wounds exceed what would be needed to kill him. Agents find a big safe inside Chris Rodin Sr.'s trailer. They crack it open. Inside they find 16 rifles, three pistols,$27,000 in cash, and a bag of white powder. BCI agents fan out across the properties. They go to a barn near Chris Roden Sr.'s trailer. And weirdly, this barn has surveillance cameras mounted in front with wiring that goes inside. The agents follow the wiring back into the barn where it leads to broken electronics. Somebody, it seems, has ripped out the device that would record the video from the security cameras. It appears that the killer or killers knew about these security cameras and made sure investigators wouldn't see whatever they captured that night. Then the detectives in the barn find a trapdoor. They open it and make a startling discovery. A huge, sophisticated marijuana grow room. Remember, this is 2016. Weed is still illegal almost everywhere in the U.S., including in Ohio. Detectives find another similar-sized secret grow room under another part of the property. They find another grow room more than 12 miles away, right near the hidden trailer where Chris Sr.'s cousin Kenneth had been killed. Three big weed-growing operations with their security systems torn out, a safe full of guns, and a lot of cash. Overkill for the patriarch of the family, but cold assassinations for everyone else. What does this crime start to sound like to you?

SPEAKER_05 31:55

While authorities have not connected the murders to drugs, the discovery of a marijuana grow operation at the victims' residences is only fueling the rumors that the rodents were connected to some bad people. People capable of this.

SPEAKER_17 32:08

You probably hear this description of the crime scenes and think this is violence that's in some way connected to the drug trade, of course.

SPEAKER_05 32:16

The authorities would not make the direct connection to these execution-style murders being related to drugs, just by the nature of though how they happen, the ruthlessness of them has fueled a lot of speculation in this community that these murders were tied to drugs.

SPEAKER_17 32:30

You can't know that for sure yet, but it seems like the best direction to head in to find the perpetrators.

SPEAKER_15 32:36

Like many Ohio counties, there is a growing drug problem here in Pike County, especially in relation to violent crimes.

SPEAKER_17 32:43

Try to remember the feeling you're having right now after hearing these simple descriptions of the crime scenes and what they indicate. Because much later on, after years with no progress, when the Attorney General and his prosecutors eventually settle on their suspects, they're going to throw a lot of weird information at you. When they do, ask yourself: is this information as important as the simple description of the crime scenes and what it says about the nature of these murders? Now, I really hope that this doesn't sound like I'm blaming the victims. The killing of the rodents was a horrific, senseless act. It left children without their parents, siblings mourning siblings, and an entire network of family and friends in deep grief. It should go without saying that, of course, they didn't deserve what happened to them or bring it upon themselves. But if we're going to talk about the Pike County massacre, if we're gonna figure out who did it, we need to say it plainly. At a minimum, the evidence shows Chris Roden Sr. was a big-time drug dealer, at least by Pike County standards.

SPEAKER_05 33:57

I spoke directly to the best friend of Dana Roden. She's one of the victims that was shot and killed on Friday, and I asked her directly, were the rodents involved in drugs? And she says, everyone has skeletons in their closet, but the rodents were overall very good people. Even still, though, many people here, well, they believe that drugs were involved.

SPEAKER_20 34:19

Hello, welcome again. I'm a letter Attorney General Des Moines.

SPEAKER_17 34:26

When Attorney General Mike DeWine steps in front of the cameras for his next press conference, here's how he describes the crimes. Sophisticated, carried out by people who knew how to hinder an investigation. Not a case where someone's got mad at someone and shot them. These are his words.

SPEAKER_20 35:33

This was very methodical. This was well planned. This was not something that just happened.

SPEAKER_17 35:39

If you remember anything about the Pike County massacre, remember these words spoken by Attorney General Mike DeWine just after investigators finished processing the crime scenes.

SPEAKER_11 35:50

Clearly, it's not like the person who does it at the spur of the moment he comes up and shoots someone. You know, they thought this thing through, whoever did it, and they executed it. It was it was well planned out and thought out.

SPEAKER_17 36:02

Again, remember those words because years later, when the investigation under Mike DeWine's command goes nowhere, he'll start telling you a very different story. Coming up in the next episode, I'll tell you all I know about some very dangerous people who had the motive and the means to commit the Pike County massacre, and who steered the investigation in the opposite direction, and why. Keep listening.