COMEDY : 10 Years Doing Standup | The Connor Larsen Show Episode 7

When i started comedy i lived on a 16-foot sailboat in Toronto with a pee bucket and a spider problem, trying to figure out how to do stand-up. This month is very hectic so no deep dive this wee — just fun stories from my 10 years doing comedy. I'll be back with a deep dive next week. Thanks for listening.



00:00 Why this week is different 

01:17 Comedy is like going to prison 

04:58 Moving to Toronto to live on a sailboat 08:11 The first bomb at The Ossington 

13:30 Moving to Nashville (and getting shot at) 

17:00 The open mic hosted by a mayoral candidate 

20:39 "Help me" — the all-time greatest bomb 

23:11 First road gig: Jackson, Tennessee 

28:32 First road gigs with Dusty Slay 

32:01 Peoria: bombing while the strip club caught fire 

42:35 The leather-suit guy who came to the wrong show 

44:22 Opening for Rodney Carrington with Toby Keith 

46:52 The Toby Keith line I should have said 

Thanks for listening! Here's where to find more of Connor: 

🎟️ Live taping at The Lab at Zanies in Nashville 5/21/26 

🎤 ComedianConnorLarsen.com 

📸 instagram.com/connorlarsencomedy 

🎵 tiktok.com/@connorlarsencomedy 

📺 "Dusty and Connor React" with Dusty Slay — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QepninhUOd8

Transcript

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Hey, welcome back to the Connor Larson show. I am uh pumped, pumped for this episode. This is a fun one. Uh this episode is gonna be about Craigslist and why Craigslist is actually the greatest uh website we have. Um I know that sounds insane, and but it's it's it's more what Craigslist represents. But I think you're really gonna like this episode. So uh thanks everybody. Everybody seemed to like the bees episode, which I kind of you know, I had a feeling. People like bees. Bees are bees are cool, as we went over. So um, yeah, I'm back from uh I was on the road this weekend with my buddy Dusty Slay. Thanks to everybody who came to the Dallas and Houston shows. We had a great time. The shows were very hot. I love hanging out with my buddy Dusty. Uh I gotta say this. I love Texas. It's a great place. I love going there. I've done tons of comedy there. The cities themselves, not super beautiful. I gotta, that's I had this moment where I was like, Texas, I've been to a lot of parts of Texas that are beautiful. I've been to West Texas and even the parts of East Texas that are pretty heavily forested, and and uh there's some beauty out there, but man, downtown Houston, not a lot of beauty in there. There's some homeless guys in in wheelchairs who are um using the street like a bathroom near a hotel. I did see that. That was uh that was a nice Houston hello. Um but no, I love I mean my cousins grew up in Houston, I've been there a bunch. There's such Dallas and Houston are cool cities, but every every downtown I go to, it's like I mean, it's like the end of the world. I also I realize it's insane to it's insane to judge a town on that. Like if people go to downtown Nashville and then they go, you know what's crazy about Nashville? And I go, hey, listen, I live here, I never, I don't go downtown for anything. If someone, one of my friends would have to be missing, and they'd be like, We saw them last downtown. That's the only way I would go downtown. But yeah, we had a great time. The uh we did an old beautiful theater in Dallas, and then we did like a weird, we did a theater on the campus of University of Houston in Houston. And I'm telling you, I'm I'm not that old, but you put me on a college campus and I go, I'm a thousand, I'm a thousand years old. It was it's I doesn't I don't want to be on a college campus that I'm not going to. It makes me feel uh it makes me feel old. That's how every time. Um but we had a great time. We found uh regular coffee in Texas, which we struggled to do the last time, so that was great. And uh yeah, me and Dusty had a bunch of fun. Thank you everybody who came to the shows. Um, I'm back home now and it's it's uh I'm having a blast. This is this is such a great time of year. It's it's so nice. I finished the Yakasugi bed. It's done, it's full of dirt. It took me 7,000 wheelbarrows of dirt, but it's in there and uh it's full, so I'm just gonna we're gonna plant some some crops in there, and then it'll be that video should be up this week of all the the whole build process, and that was very fun. So I'm pumped about that. Um yeah, this episode is about Craigslist this week, right? That's because this I you know, I know a lot of people here have probably gotten used to it being mostly you know gardening or nature and all that stuff, and I love all that stuff, and I'm gonna keep doing it, but I'm I'm just doing with this podcast just whatever I get into that week. Whatever I always before I had the podcast, I would just find myself you know going down these rabbit holes, and this has allowed me to kind of make them structured and organized, and hopefully, you know, other people will enjoy them too. So um, I was reading this thing about the guy who started Craigslist, whose name is Craig, and it's Craigslist is the best website because it never got crazy, it just stayed a useful, good website. It's what the internet was supposed to be. People go, I want to sell a couch. People in there go, I need a couch, and then they they find each other. There's no ads, there's no memberships, there's no anything. It's just Craigslist stayed what it was gonna be. And when you look at the internet today and in businesses today, everywhere, it's really my favorite thing about Craigslist is just that they didn't just go, what's the most amount of money we can make no matter what happens? Which is, I feel like the the most common approach to business. And the further I looked into this, the more I was like, yeah, I love this. This they just kept it the crappy website with the the blue links, the purple text, you know, nothing. They never made it better. And people all the time have been trying to get them to make it better, and they have been trying to make it like every other website or every other app or every other thing. I mean, here, like just to give you a sense of how different Craigslist is, there's no, they don't harvest any of your data. They don't keep track of anything. They won't let you, you can't pay to move your thing up the search. You can't, they don't do anything where if you use their their thing, you have you can't sell other places. Like, you know, Amazon will, if you're selling on Amazon, it has to the best price you have has to be on Amazon. That's it's it's like their policy. So Amazon actually kind of drives the prices up for everybody because they go, this has to be your lowest price on Amazon. So then you have to set that price that way everywhere else. I'll get into all that stuff later, the other, the differences between them and other companies. But I mean, it's just Craigslist is a very simple website, right? You go there, you put up links, it's like Facebook Marketplace with, but there's nothing promoted, there's no game in the system, and it's not Facebook where they are keeping track of lots of things. Um, so it's it's uh it's just a great website. And I the guy who started it is a guy named Craig, who was I liked Craig on a personal level because he not that I've never met the guy, and I sound insane saying that, but I'm saying when I read about him, uh he was a 42-year-old guy who worked for Charles Schwab, and he's like, he's the biggest dork in the world. He talks about, you know, how he's like, when I'm talking to people, I am trying to simulate human behavior. He's a he's a tough hang, is what it sounds like. But I I think he's great. I've listened to a few podcasts about him and interviews. But he was a 42-year-old, and he was working for Charles Schwab doing customer service, which that's gonna it's gonna come back up. It's a big part of the story. And then he started making, he moved to San Francisco, he started making a newsletter of just stuff going on. This is like 1996, and he started sending it to friends, and then everybody was like, This is great. This is I really like this. So then he tried to so he's just trying to build community. That's the original goal. And then he keeps, you know, kind of growing it, and then he realizes that he can change the way that the website works so that you could put hyperlink text and all the stuff so that it becomes more useful. And then he he tries to rename it after it's kind of gotten around his friends, and people were like, listen, we're already calling this Craigslist because it was Craigslist of stuff, so that's how it becomes Craigslist. Um he makes it, you know, more useful for people. People can sell stuff, people can, it grows into what we all know as Craigslist. Uh, and he just never never changes it. So the website starts 96. In 2000, he removes himself from the whole company. He turns it over to a guy and he said, I just realized I wasn't that good at making these decisions at running this like a business. And his he locks himself out. He's like, my the one rule is I can't interfere. And the founder, Craig, all he does now, all he's done for the what since 1996, he just does customer service for Craigslist. So there was like there's a lot of stories about if you sent an email or a complaint to Craigslist, uh, they he might just call you. Like there was a real chance you were gonna get the CEO on the phone. And his whole thing was he was just like, you just gotta treat people like you want to be treated, which again, that's what you know, that's what you teach babies. Um, and so he would, yeah, he would just call people and figure it out. And he, you know, that's to look at all the other parts of the internet. The idea that anybody involved, I mean, most companies, you can't get someone who works for the company to talk to you. Like if you call Delta and go, hey, you canceled my flight, they go, We're gonna put you on the phone with this person in what is clearly a call center, and then you just yell at them until you feel bad because you realize this isn't their fault. It's like if you're if one of your cousins uh broke something of yours and then they go, here's the system, you scream at your other cousin, and you go, Well, I'm not gonna. That doesn't make any sense. You know, that most customer services show no accountability. This company is a CEO calling you and being like, hey, what's what's wrong with Craigslist? What's wrong with this website that has no features? Um, so I love that. And I love that it's not the whole the whole website is just a basic, useful thing, right? It's just a marketplace, it's a neighborhood marketplace. You can just sell stuff. I mean, listen, a lot of, you know, I got a roommate off Craigslist once, and one time I came home and he was cleaning his gun in the living room, and I was like, all right, this is, you know, that's I'm not saying Craigslist was always great. I'm sure, you know, I know there was crazy stuff on Craigslist, but the the you gotta zoom out from that and just remember they built this website. It was useful for people, it became profitable, and then they didn't ruin it. That's the key, that's the key feature, right? Is that every other thing that comes out starts out really great. It starts out really great until you're dependent on it, until it you can't leave because you need it, and then it gets crappier. Well, there's a whole uh cycle of of how this happens that smarter people than me have defined that we'll get into. But yeah, I love that the uh Craigslist, you know, it's it's this guy is just he he has he's a billionaire now. He did sell uh the company, but he, you know, he sold it in a way where he made like a billion dollars. And they were like, well, you could have made 12 if you would turn this thing into a like a profit generating machine like every other website, right? You sell banner ads, you sell, you sell people's data, you make them get memberships, you say if you become a pro, Craigslist user will bump up your the rankings of your couch. Um, all this stuff. And the guy is super aware of this. He talks about it and he's like, I'm just not gonna do that. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna keep this thing the way it is. And I just think that's so it's so remarkable where it's like it was interesting to me to read about you know, the reason there's no user reviews on Craigslist. You can't review a seller, you can't uh give feedback, you can't, because all these things eventually get gamed, right? It's like how every company now they like mess up your delivery, send you an email being like, we delivered it, and you're like, No, you didn't. And then they go, Do you want to take the survey? And you go, No, I unless I can say you guys are did a terrible job, I don't want to take the survey. Because they know that it's all just about you know, gaming the system. And so he realized that's we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna have sponsored you know posts or feeds or any of that stuff. It's just gonna be here's a link for a couch. You need a couch, come get the couch. And it's such a it sounds like I'm you know nerding out over this thing, it doesn't matter, but it to me it's just such a refreshing thing to be like, you don't have to make you don't have to make the most possible money with everything. And and the internet really could have been everything people hoped it was gonna be. I mean, there are really cool examples on the internet of stuff that did go this way. You know, Linux, the open source operating system, you know, as opposed to Apple or Windows. It's free. It's free, and the guy could have made tons of money, and it but it's not, but it's an entire computer ecosystem that is free. If you want to you want to add on to it, you want to make your own version of Linux, you can do whatever. I mean, people just make stuff and then they go, if you find this useful, you know, hopefully make it better and share it. And I just find that I just find it to be such a good part of the internet. VLC Media Player is a is a you know, it's like a Windows Media Player or uh iMovie or whatever to play your video files and it's free. It's the guy could have made lots of money and he just said, no, we're just gonna make it, you know, community-based, useful, and just put it out there. And I love stuff like that. And Craigslist to me is the under the radar, you know, we all make fun. As a comic, you hear about Craigslist all the time. Craigslist is like code for uh crazy person, you know. You're like, I met this, I was on a dating site, as I call it Craigslist. Like, that's a you know, there's a lot of jokes like that. Um and it's so it's it's shorthand, but it really did avoid all the traps of, you know, you look at every other. Well, let's just get into the other with the other stuff because it that I think it it works better when you think about that, right? Where you know, you look at all these things start out, all these companies that are worth billions of dollars, they start out, they're great, they're really useful for you. You know what I mean? I remember when when I got Facebook, when I was in high school or whatever, Facebook was great because that's where all your friends were, and Facebook was just you seeing your friends, and Instagram was just your your friends' photos and all that stuff, and and it was great, and people, it was a reason everybody was going to it. Um honestly, it was you kind of Facebook and Instagram, the thing no one ever talks about, at least for my demographic and age. It was about like trying to any social network was where you were gonna like as a high schooler or young college guy, you know, you like met a girl at a party, got her number, or you, or you like saw them on Facebook, or they they added you on Facebook. It was a social thing. It really had a good um it had a good built-in reason to use it. So, you know, they're great in the beginning, and then slowly over time, these companies they're great, people like them, they grow, right? Then they go, we need to make money on this. A lot because forever, remember, you know, people were like, How is Facebook gonna make money? How is all these companies that are great and like you know, change the change your daily life? In the beginning, everyone's like, How are you gonna make money on this? You know, how are you gonna make money on the internet? And so they sell ads, they do whatever, they do stuff that we all don't really like that makes the product a little worse. Like YouTube used to just be YouTube videos, right? Now it's you know, YouTube premium is just YouTube videos, but if you otherwise you got ads, you got all this stuff. So they got to make money, they gotta do memberships, they gotta do subscriptions, they gotta do all this stuff that we, you know, we all kind of agree slightly makes the platform less it's not as good as it was in the beginning, right? No one, everyone's like, ah, the good old days of when it was just, you know, YouTube was just this cool thing playing videos. And then so they have to make money so that they can eventually this company is gonna go public, right? They're gonna sell it on the stock market for like, and that's when you get like, you know, a quadrillion dollars where it's just some number of where you can't even understand it. So they sell whatever, they sell the company to all these people who now so now they have a they can't just do what they want to do. They have to, they have to make money legally. There's like a responsibility to a fiduciary responsibility to make money for their investors. So all these companies then become even more focused on making money. You know, the focus is no longer on making the product better unless the product, unless making it better makes more money. But if you can just make more money by making the product worse, if you can just take a thing that was free and charge everyone a dollar and they can't leave because it's like it's it's too, they're already too much in there, that's what they do. So they make that that's step two, right? That gets a little worse so they can start making money. Then they sell these companies to these giant investors and be and then those now the company's in its third final stage. That's the stage where they go, all we we just paid a quadrillion dollars for this. We have to make so much more money. And then they just tight, they just turn the screws, and it be that's when everything gets way worse, right? Like in the if you look at all these companies, they're great in the beginning. Amazon at the beginning, it was crazy. You could just get, you know, even just the books part, you could get any book you wanted. That was that's genuinely very cool. And then it was they used to operate at like a loss. A lot of these companies. I know Uber did, I don't know about Amazon, but a lot of these companies operate at a loss, and they were, you know, only the funding from investors kept it going, but it wasn't, didn't make sense as a business. And then they get so big because they're great, they're offering this thing no one else is offering that they kind of crush all the other alternatives, right? There is no other, there's no competitor to Amazon. There's no competitor, you know, Starbucks got so big that Starbucks was everywhere, close to a million local coffee shops. And then now that Starbucks is the only coffee shop in town, what do they care, right? That's that they then they just go like, well, the prices are going up. We're gonna kind of not be that friendly, cool thing. Starbucks was cool. That's how I that's how old I am. Starbucks was cool at one point. It was like a it was like an indie coffee shop. Now it's like you know, the McDonald's of coffee. Um but it was cool, and then it now became you know terrible. So I mean I still go. I still I appreciate the egg bites that is nice on the road, you know. But uh yeah, the these companies, they just it's it's there's a guy who wrote a paper uh called the Inchidification, which I think is a great baby name, um, of all these things, and it it outlines all the steps I just went through where it's like the reason you know, these people are all trying to maximize profits. So the the cycle is they're in the beginning, all these things are great for the people who use them. Then enough people get on there that they are kind of that's the only game in town. You can't leave once you're there. You know what I mean? Amazon, Facebook, all this stuff. Like once you're once you're on there, there's no getting getting off because the that's where your network is. That's what you know, any job you have today, you kind of have to, you don't have to, but um, you know, any self-starting entrepreneurial job today. I mean, I meet guys who are carpenters and they're like, yeah, the thing about YouTube, I mean, they, you know, it's everything, you gotta do it online. It's not really an optional part of society. So you have to get on there. They're good in the beginning, then they want to make money, so it gets a little worse, and we all go, huh, okay. Then they sell the company, they go public, it becomes this giant corporation. And now they're they have to make money. Like legally, they're required to you know get every dollar. And so they do. That's what you know. Let's you look at all the the airlines. There's only four of them left. Shout out Spirit, RIP. Uh, I did some horrific comedy gigs that only Spirit flew to. But you know, what do you think is gonna happen now that that spirit's gone? They're not gonna, they're not gonna go great. There's less there's less options for people, therefore we will be better about price. They'll go, listen, this is the only game in town. You want to fly this? You gotta, it's gonna go up. Um, so it's just this incredible uh, you know, going back to Craigslist, it's just Craigslist makes tons of money. They makes, I think it had the revenue is like $360 million a year. It does great. And there's all these, there's guys like it, the CEO of StubHub was like, it could be a gold mine if they would like optimize it. And you're like, yeah, that's exactly how the guy who runs a ticketing company would work. Because tickets are the that's the worst thing. You know, right now there's the lawsuit with Tickmaster, all that stuff, because they're every ticket's $10,000 for no reason. And then you see these horrible posters from the 70s that make you sad if you're my age, where they go like, see the Beatles, $8. And you're like, that's I want to do that. You know, there's all these things that they just the focus is on maximizing profit. And it doesn't have to be that way. I know everyone kind of feels like it does. We all understand that's you know, that's business's cutthroat, all that stuff, and people seem to trend towards just maximizing um the profit. But it does, you know, there are that's why it's so refreshing when you see something that isn't like that, where you go like they they're not trying to make the most possible money. That you know, the I read a lot of articles about Craig and the guy from Craigslist, I think it's Craig Newmarket. I should know his last name. We're 20 minutes into the episode. But the problem is everyone just calls him Craig. You know what I mean? I'll put it in the show notes. It doesn't matter. Um his last name is List. That's what I believe. His name. But no, it's refreshing when you see like he just, you know, he's like make a comfortable living, and then just the ever since he sold Craigslist, he does two things. He does customer service and he gives away lots of his money. Gives away money to uh trying to bring back like real journalism, which good luck with that. Uh and then that's a whole other, that's like 50 other episodes. Uh, and then military families, that's a nice one, giving them, you know, they kind of they I definitely think it's it's never bad to give them extra money. Uh and then uh what was the other one? Civil defense Civil Cybersecurity Defense Fund, which is like a cool, a cool prof uh cool charity that does stuff. And then uh pigeons. He likes pigeons. I like I thought that was charming. He liked this guy likes three charities that make sense to most people, and then he goes, also pigeons. I like pigeons. But yeah, I just thought it was great to think about a company that just has said, This thing is good. People use this thing, people like this. We don't need to scale it up. We don't need to make a billion dollars. Craigslist has no outside investors. It never, it never sold. Actually, there was a cool story. At a certain point, eBay bought some of it somehow, and it was they they were doing something where they wanted to start charging for stuff. And Craig gets in a legal battle with them, and seven years go by, and eventually a court is like, you have to make more money. You have to profit. You have a duty to do this. And instead of doing it, he just says, fine, I'll I'll buy back, I'll buy eBay's stake out and just go back to it being a thing where I don't have to make the most amount of money. Which I I love that. That's a great, you know, that's a great, it's a great thing. Here are here are the things that Craigslist does that all the other websites don't do. It does no no banner ads, no sponsored listings, no user reviews, no algorithm, no personalization, no data harvesting, there's no venture capitalist, there's no IPOs, there's no acquisition, no redesign. It just stays a good, useful thing. I think that's I think that's great. I think that's so cool. And it's uh he also, when they ask him about how long he's gonna do customer service, he says death is my exit strategy, which I think is a great. I love that. That's I'm gonna start saying that about comedy. Death is my exit strategy. But yeah, I did some, so the instrumentation thing really was interesting to me because it's I mean, it's been out there since 2023. I'm not the first guy to uh discover this, but it was it was interesting to me and it did explain a lot of what's going on. You know, in the beginning, businesses are good to their users, then they kind of abuse you a little bit to make it better for the business, right? That's where they start charging you for stuff that used to be free. They start running ads, they start doing you go, okay, I don't love that. Then once they have the businesses and the users, right? Like the okay, I'll try to illustrate this better. Amazon was great, that you could get anything you wanted, and they kind of put the load on the businesses. They said, You got to ship them this book, it's gotta be there in two days if you want to be eligible to be a prime business, whatever. Then after, so now all the businesses have to get on Amazon because that's where all the users are. Then once all the users are there, the businesses have to get on there so they don't really have to even worry about being nice to the businesses. But then once all the businesses are on there and all the users, now they can be but they can be terrible to both users and businesses because you're both stuck, right? You can't, as a user, you go, if I want to buy this thing, I gotta go to Amazon. And if you're a seller, you go, if I want to sell this thing, I gotta go to Amazon. And once you're there, they can just start going, hey, we're gonna take a little bit from each of you, and there's nothing you guys can do. It's and it's kind of the same phenomenon with all these things, right? It's like if Walmart, if Walmart comes to your small town and closes all the stores that used to sell you stuff, in the beginning, you're like, well, I at least I got Walmart, it's all there. I guess that's good for me, the the user or the buyer. But then once Walmart is the only game in town, you can't, there's nothing you can do. And if you want to sell stuff in that town, like you're a manufacturer who used to sell to a hardware store or something, you got to go to Walmart. And Walmart can give you any price they want. You know what I mean? There's not so Walmart can be bad to the manufacturers and the people who purchase. It's just this, this it's an issue of, you know, it's too late. This their scale is giant. And then you also have, you know, this is an interesting thing to think about with all these businesses. It used to be right, like with a local business, it's sort of a two-way street. There's a bunch of local businesses I love. I love Gym Five is one is the greatest gym in Nashville. Tower Deli, greatest restaurant in Nashville to me. Gold's Deli's great. That's done in Columbia. I like Arnold's Country Kitchen, Needham's Nursery, Zany's, these are all businesses where a person I know owns it and they're great. And it, I find that it's very nice. I really value, you know, I like getting a sandwich there more than just I like the sandwich. I like the whole community part of it. But the difference is if they start being mean to me, if I start walking into any of these restaurants, and when I walk in, they're making they make pig noises at me, right? I don't know why they would do this, but I'm just trying to trying to keep it fun. They start making pig noises at me and they start calling me pig man, pretty soon I'll stop going, right? And that hurts the business, and it also hurts me. It's a two-way street. But if they are so, you know, if if Starbucks, if there's a Starbucks where they start calling me Pig Man, even if I stop going, they're probably gonna be fine because there's just it's the only game in town. So it's this again, they don't have to be good to you because they're too big too big to fail. I mean, they can't, you know, they can't be harmed really. They can't say these businesses, you know, local businesses, if they stop making a beloved menu item, you can go to them and be like, hey, what the I love that. What are you doing? If a giant company changes something, they go, hey, the thing that cost a dollar now causes $2, there's nothing any of us can do. And it's it's that sort of lack of uh there's no there's nothing, there's no feedback loop for the company. I mean, I guess there's profit and loss, but even then they can, as long as they're making more money, they don't care how you feel about it because you're not, you know, you don't have to like this company. You just you still have to use them even if you don't like them. I mean, half the complaints I see about social media are on social media. They're all on social media. That's the only place I see complaints about social media. So it's yeah, you're just stuck. And I I think um, I mean, I don't have any solutions. I think that I can't imagine that you came here being like, this guy's gonna solve it, but I just do think it is a cool that's what I like so much about Craigslist. I like things like Craigslist, things like Wikipedia, things like you know, Linux and VLC, these things that, you know, I'm not saying any of them are perfect, but they don't have an end goal of making the most possible money. And, you know, that's sort of where I think these companies become bummers, is they, you know, there a lot of them do amazing stuff. YouTube's amazing, Facebook's amazing, but they they have this sort of legal responsibility to make money at a certain point. So they're that becomes their North Star, where they're going, all we want to do is make money. And you're like, well, all right, but that's not that's not great for for all of us. And it leads to this, it just leads to this, you know, it's like McDonald's. I you know, I I I thought McDonald's was amazing when I was a kid, and I thought McDonald's was amazing when I was in high school. I know the food is like crazy, it's like made out of you know, styrofoam or whatever, but it's good. And it it seems like people in the 70s thought it was even better. Uh it seems like this these things get so big that they inevitably have to get worse. And it's it's just a short-term thinking thing, right? Where if if we all if everyone didn't kind of go, well, you have to just you know make the most money you can at all times, you could really make things better long term. You know, if you if you could just not do that every single time with every single business or product, it would allow you to do lots of cool stuff, but they they have these pressures of like every quarter you gotta make the most money and you gotta you gotta get the most money for your IPO and you gotta get valued at the most. So it's just yeah, that's that's why I think this story about uh sorry, I got the I got the Houston cough. Um about Craigslist was so cool. This guy just doesn't, he just does customer service, the thing no CEO does, he helps you with your problems, and he does not extract every single dollar he can out of his company. And in in today, that's amazing. That's a that that is enough to be like uh wow, what it what that's crazy. Um drinking the the cold brew my wife made at home. I love there's it's I love being home so much. That's that's what I notice every time I go on the road. Um but yeah, I hope uh you know, I hope I did a good job explaining it. I just thought it was such a cool I thought it was a cool story. I really liked it. This this weirdo guy, and I'm sure there's stuff he, you know, I don't know enough about Craigslist, uh, the the founder to I'm sure I disagree with him on some things, but it's I like that there's somebody out there who made a thing and then just said, this is enough money. I don't need to make I don't need to make way more. And I always I was thinking about that, you know, everyone gets so mad at big tech and all this stuff. You never hear anyone be like, you know who's cool? The guy from Craigslist. But that I think he is cool. I think Craigslist is secretly like a guy with just regular person values where he goes, Yeah, I made a lot of money. I don't need 10 times more money than I could ever spend. So he didn't sorry, Cost really getting me. He didn't uh yeah, he didn't make it crazier than it needed to be. And um, yeah, maybe more. I'll do like a deeper dive onto the specifics of uh of Craigslist and all this stuff because I thought it was really interesting, but um, I wanted to get this episode out to you guys. And yeah, I really appreciate everybody who comments and listens. And if you're into the garden stuff and this isn't your speed, I'm you know, sorry about that. But I'm trying to uh yeah, just whatever whatever rabbit hole I go down, I'm trying to make it a fun podcast episode. So um, yeah, I got a bunch of cool stuff coming up in Nashville. This week I will be on a bunch of shows, and then next week I'm doing I'm taping something at the lab at Zany's. So May 21st, if you're in Nashville, uh please come to that. It's gonna be really fun. I got I'm very excited to tape this. I've been doing stand-up 10 years. I'm gonna try to just get a big long set of material I'm I'm proud of and then put it out. Um, so I hope you can make that. That would be great. I hope you like this episode. Uh, everyone who listens, it's it it really is awesome. It makes this thing much more fun for me. Um if you like it and you can subscribe and share it and all the review, whatever, all the stuff. Um I really appreciate that. I just always feel a little guilty um bugging you to do it. But if you do do it, it's very nice and I really appreciate it. And uh yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. I will see you next week.