LAWNS Why Your Lawn Makes No Sense | Connor Larsen Show Episode 10

I love mowing the lawn but I also think the lawn is completely insane so i did some research and its actually way crazier. The lawn we know started as a rich-guy flex then became a great place for bio warfare chemicals to have second acts plus allow HOA's to fine or jail people for growing vegetables. Craziness, i had fun researching this though. 

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Hey, welcome back to the Connor Larson show. Today's episode, very fun. It's about the lawn. I am I'm done with the lawn. I just don't uh this was the easiest episode yet to research. I've been doing a lot of these where I go into it being like, well, I'm uh kind of dumb. I don't know anything. And then I do the research and I go, okay, I see why people feel that way. Uh this one I went in going, I think having the lawn is crazy. And then now I'm like, oh, it's a hundred percent crazy. This is a a whole episode just about uh, you know, why I I don't understand how we did this. I don't understand how we got to a place where every weekend for three of the four seasons, people got to spend hours outside doing stuff that is kind of fun. I'll be honest. I mean, that if it was a if people marketed the lawn as fun, I'd be into it. But they they don't. There's a lot of stuff that's like uh there's a lot of weird stuff in the lawn. So um yeah, this episode is gonna be about uh how do we get to a place where the lawn is a thing you gotta do? And should we be doing that? Because I don't I don't think we should. And I love I love being outside. I love mowing the lawn, I love the garden, but the lawn is crazy. Um so we'll get into that. And uh yeah, it was today is June 8th, and I had a great weekend. I went to Notre Dame in the Indiana, Notre Dame, not France, Notre Dame, and uh with my buddy Aaron Weber this weekend, and it was so fun. I went with Aaron, my buddy Taylor, uh very funny photographer who also does some comedy, and uh we had a blast. Notre Dame, Notre Dame's one of those places where you want to see it no matter what. You know, if you like, I love college football. So I just always was, you know, I've seen a million Notre Dame things. Notre Dame is maybe the most famous college football school, and so I went to I wanted to go see it pretty different than I thought. Pretty different. Notre Dame itself is pretty much what you thought it would be. It's it's old and beautiful, and the campus is like uh it looks like Hogwarts, and uh they had a lot of cool trees, which I was the only person who cared. Uh, I think I we were walking around the campus and everyone was like, look at that, you know, gold-domed building. And I was like, Are you seeing this tree? So I that's when I realized that uh my tree problem, pretty advanced, but they had some beautiful trees, and trees as I get older are cool because you can't uh that's the one thing you can't fake. You can't fake old trees. I mean, I guess you could. I'm sure a billionaire could, but I I don't know, can you? I don't think you can move like a 150-year-old oak tree, no matter how much money you got, which is kind of fun. So um went to Notre Dame. So Notre Dame's beautiful. The town of South Bend, maybe the ugliest town I ever saw. It's up there. It's like truly it, man, it was just like desolate. It was there was nothing, and you talk to people not anymore, they're like, oh yeah, yeah, this is bad, it's a bad town. Um it just it looked like it looked like fallout. That's what the town looks like. It just there was nothing the weather, even though we had one day of beautiful weather, and then we had one day of just just terrible, just rain and and it just would start raining real hard for a second and then stop, and everything's hot. I hate that's my least favorite uh weather is the when it rains and then it stops and then everything just steams, and you're like, get me out of here. Um but I had a great time because I went with my buddies and the show was great, and it was cool to see the uh it was cool to see the campus. So I had a good time, and then I came home and I had to uh play ketchup in the garden. That's the worst part now going on the road because it's prime garden season. If I'm gone for two or three days, I come back to like just crazy. The weeds are out of control, or you know, no one has uh pruned this thing that I needed to prune. It's just it's it's I love having a garden, but it is like having a never-ending list of things to feel guilty about where you go, oh I should, I should go prune the roses, or you're like, I bought uh I bought this root rocket so that I could get cuttings from the hydrangea and I forgot to do it. You know, I always feel bad. Um but the garden is looking great. I will post some videos of it later because I'm uh I'm pumped. It's amazing how much, you know, I started thinking, I was getting excited in May or March and April, and it's basically it doesn't pay off for a few months, but now, man, everything's everything's really going. So we're having fun. But uh yeah, so I was gonna go mow. I was gonna mow the yard, and it's weird. I love mowing the grass. It is one of my favorite. I'm very lucky for my wedding. My uh in-laws got us a riding mower. Because for a while, I had a push mower, and we live a little bit out in the country, so we had a way more than I could push mow. I mean, it would take me like four hours, and then I would just lay on the ground like and I was just getting wrecked with the push mower. And all my neighbors were laughing at me, which was a very funny. I we had a new neighbor move in, he's a cool guy, but he had a push mower, and I was like, I don't, I don't know how long you're gonna do that. And then uh like a month later, he had a he had a riding mower. It is just it's crazy, it's such a different the riding mower is so fun. The riding mower is like here's what I like about mowing the lawn. It's the only time I can drive an engine, uh, a combustion engine thing, like kind of carelessly, which this they'll play. If I ever get in a lawnmower accident, they will play this. But I'm just saying, as opposed to a car. In a car, I'm very tense, I'm very paranoid because that's just you know how I grew up. My dad was always telling me, he was like, You see those, uh you know the lanes that are all yellow? Those are called uh death traps. And I'd be like, Great, I'm 10. Um, but mowing, you know, you're just having fun. It's you got it's like a convertible, you're just kind of going around, and I love mowing the lawn, but I uh I think about it and I just go, what am I doing? Because especially we so we bought this house and then it's we've been here about 18 months, two years ago, and we don't do anything chemical to it. I don't do any treatment of it. And uh it's starting to show, right? I'm starting to notice there's clover and dandelions and all this naturally occurring stuff. And then I'll talk to people and they'll be like, what you gotta do is uh just blanket your yard with chemicals. And I it just seems like the craziest, it seems like the craziest possible interpretation of what I should do. Because in my head, that why am I why am I gonna fight nature forever to just have a lawn? That's what's so confusing. I love mowing the lawn, it's such a nice, you know, meditative, you're outside, you're driving around, it feels good. Um, but there's sort of this pressure to keep it looking uniform and nothing out of place. And I the the more I go into the garden and see how, you know, nature has this very organic, balanced system where this happens and then this thing thrives off of it. You know, you plant the marigolds in your beds to keep the pests off, and then the there's the you know, the three sisters, or these crops grow well together. All these things interact together. And stuff like clover and the uh the other stuff in the lawn, I like it. It seems to the bees like it, it seems good for everybody, and I just don't, it doesn't make any sense to me that I should be dumping chemicals near where I live to make it look, I don't know, good for people driving by who I don't care about them. Um so it was an interesting thing. That was how I originally felt. And I was like, we're gonna do some research. And uh it's even crazier than I thought. I think we all on some level in 2026 know that the lawn is kind of crazy, but the actual uh stats and information is nuts. Um the first thing that kind of blew my mind was I was reading about Kentucky bluegrass, because that's a lot of the grass we have around here. And uh it's not there is no bluegrass in Kentucky. It's like an invasive grass that they brought over from Europe, and there's all these states, so there is no bluegrass in Kentucky. The bluegrass state doesn't make any sense as a name. I love that they they were like, whatever, we're we're doing it anyway. Um and it's called bluegrass because if you let it get two or three feet, it looks kind of blue, but it never no one ever lets it get two or three feet. So it's I'm gonna say Kentucky is the worst nickname for a state. I love Kentucky, but that doesn't, that's a terrible nickname. Um and so they brought it over and it just outcompetes the native grasses, and it's a huge hassle, which whatever. None of that's a big deal. Um, but the the more you look into what you got to do to maintain it, it's it's crazy, right? So I was like, all right, well, how did how did lawns start? And it says uh lawns started in like the 1700s, 1800s, or you know, before that, when it was basically a flex. It was like a rich guy's way of saying, you know, you know how we all depend on growing stuff to live? I'm so rich I don't have to, and I can pay people or not, uh, to I can have people keep the grass a certain length. I can just basically waste this. That's what that's what Alan originally was. It was a guy being like, I can just have this look pretty, it doesn't need to make sense. Um, which is like the worst type of rich guy flex. That's always it's like the guy who bought the the Wu-Tang album for like a million dollars, so no one could hear it. It's just one of those things where you go, I guess it's cool if you if to somebody, but I think I think you suck. That's what I think. That's how it reads to me. Um so they did all this, and then I got I got kind of fired up. I was reading about after we fought the Revolutionary War with England, uh, lawns, because lawn are like a British thing, like an English European thing, keeping your grass like that. The early Americans were like, lawns are for, you know, lawns are for the loyalists or whatever, and they didn't like them. Uh so in the beginning it was a little patriotic to just let it go, um, let it go native. And then they have so you have that, then they make in the 1800s a guy makes the mower, like the real mower, R-E-E-L. So you can you can mow your lawn, you can keep it that way if you want. And then, like always, you know, despite the fact that we all we all say we hate rich people, but then we end up imitating them in stupid ways. Um people start doing it, and people are spending you know tons of time, and again, I get it because it's it is I've mowed the lawn and been like that's a good looking lawn. I I really it is fun and it's meditative, and it feels gives you some pride when your lawn's looking good, and you look at your neighbor's lawn that isn't looking good, and you're like, but now I'm I'm in this weird spot where I'm spending all sorts of time outside, and you know, I it's it's a real there's a lot of work going into a lot of projects, and the lawn just seems like the dumbest one every time. Like I'll get done. I was like hoe using a hoe to clear this area out so I could plant sunflowers and zinnias, and then it took me three times as long to mow the lawn, and I was just sitting there going, I don't get any joy out of this. This grass is, you know, it's it's looking worse as time goes on because I'm not treating it with chemicals, and you know, we are lucky enough we don't have an HOA, so I'm really just doing this uh for me. And it doesn't, it's just it's like mass psychosis that we all are just like, well, if you're a nice guy, you gotta mow your lawn. It's like, where did where did this come from? So they build the mower in the 1830s, and then in the 1870s, this guy comes out, this guy, Frank Scott, with a tagline that says, Your lawn is everyone's business. And basically, he's the guy who starts the idea that you gotta mow your grass. You it's like a it's a sign of good neighborliness, which is a that's a I'm like for me, if you tell me this makes you a good neighbor or a polite person, that's gonna get me. I always want to be a good neighbor or a good friend or nice, so that's a real strong selling point. And a lot of people I know who love their lawns are kind of like that, they're nice people and they just go like you know, there's almost a moral element to it. It's the right thing to do to keep your lawn up. Um and then when suburbs come out, when people start going, like, I don't want to live in a city, and they start doing suburbs, the first some of the first suburbs, it's like which kind of influence, it's funny to think of like there were suburb influencers, but uh some of the first ones came out and they would install lawns, and then they would actually, if you didn't mow the lawn, they would just mow it for you and send you a bill. So you didn't, it wasn't like an opt-in situation, they just made you do it. And uh people loved the lawn. But interesting little note, they also back then a lawn meant clover as well. Now, now people get rid of clover with chemicals, but for a long time, clover is just a part of a lawn, it's like a beneficial natural part of lawn, and then later it goes away for uh bad reasons. So that's sort of you know, everyone's got lawns and then World War I and World War II happen, and uh people stop having lawns people because it's it's a massive drain on your resources to you know, you gotta use gas, like all these things that were scarce during the war gasoline and labor and time and hours of you know to invest in stuff, so they stopped doing that, and also the commercial farms, um all those guys who used to work there are off at the factory, so people stop having a lawn. So it's that it's an interesting thing. I always like when there's a concrete example of like we we can stop doing this, we don't have to do this. Um and then in World War II, the big thing is victory gardens, right? It's people uh growing their own food. And it's not like, you know, I've been struggling with for all the time I put into the garden, I think I grow sort of like a like a casual gardener, like a hobby gardener, you know, and I just don't plant enough stuff to get tons of food, which I think I'm gonna change. I think I'm gonna try to start. I was talking to my friend who's like a market gardener, like that he makes money doing it, and he was like, you just gotta be, you know, you gotta do way more plants and way more uh just like you know, do it at scale. So that's what I think we're gonna try to do. But that's what people were doing with these victory gardens. They so they stopped doing lawns, everyone turned their lawns into uh victory gardens, and then they had I think it was like 10 million tons of produce um in 1943. So it's definitely it's a real thing, and especially now where you know we've been growing a ton of strawberries because I like them, and I go to the store and strawberries are like eight bucks for a little box, and you go, I mean, this at some level is real money. Um so the Victory Garden thing was interesting too because they grow it, everyone's into it. Uh Eleanor Roosevelt, uh FDR's wife, who I feel like is I feel like she's most famous for like fake quotes and stepbrothers, and you know, you see them on like uh like memes. They're just like like I piss excellence or whatever. It's not she didn't actually say that, I hope. Um I'm guessing she didn't say that. But so she she put a victory garden on the on the White House lawn, and then people were getting mad. People were like, you can't, it's we pay for the White House, you gotta maintain the lawn. So it's always been a thing people get uh heated about. And so actually the war ends, and the government stops telling people to do victory gardens and can their own food and all this stuff, and there's actually a kind of a food shortage in 1946 because the commercial farmers haven't caught up yet, right? They're just getting done with the war, all the workforce is coming back home, but there's not enough food, so they just because people, you know, 10 million tons suddenly out of circulation. Um so they go back to the lawn, as which to me is crazy that they just I don't know, I guess it makes sense, right? You you you took you were there at D-Day, you've seen some stuff, and now you come home and you go, I just want to mow the lawn. I just don't even nobody give me crap about this. Um and again, if it was just as simple as like people like it, what do I care if they disagree with me? That'd be one thing. But it's it's not that simple because the big thing that made me go, man, this is nuts, is when you look into it, all the popular, all the popular landscaping uh chemicals we use are they're made by like they're basically byproducts of war. They're we were trying to make something. So 2-4D, which is like the big that's the thing that people just spray on their lawn in huge quantities. Um it was originally made to do biowarfare, which is not a good start. For it's like anything where you go, so the the plan was they were gonna spray it on German and Japanese crops, and it was gonna kill the crops. And then the war finished, and they were like, well, what you know, we don't want to waste this bio war. Um let's sell this to people. And they started telling people it, you know, basically it kills stuff that is there's like basically anything that's not mono, I can't remember what it's called, like a mono crop. So it kills the it kills anything that's not grass, essentially. And um started killing clover, and the people were like, there's actually you can find like leaked internal documents, these companies started saying, we gotta tell people clover is a weed and you don't want it because we if this thing kills it. So it's you know, again, it's always like interesting when you catch people just kind of lying for money. Um so it's the it's called a selective herbicide, and it just kills, it kills broadleaf stuff and spares grass. So it kills dicots, spares monocots. And uh yeah, so for a long time clover is a good thing in your lung because it fixes the nitrogen. Then they come out and they go, uh, actually this thing kills clover, so we're gonna start saying it's uh it's bad. Which is I I always think about, I mean, I know people, you know, I don't know. If I had a job and there was pressure, if I had a job like that and there was pressure, maybe I'd fall for it. But it it does just seem evil to be like, let's just tell people it's a weed when it's not. Um so 24D, that's the first one that we start getting. 245T, which is I guess a few chemicals, a few molecules away, is half of Agent Orange, which is not great. It's not great when we're pretty close to Agent Orange. Um and you know, it it is pretty funny how much fertilizer and garden stuff is pretty closely related to like bombs and flamethrowers and uh bio war. You know, it's all I mean, it makes sense because I I guess I guess that's what herbicides and these things are. They're bio war. Um which makes it even weirder that people are just comfortable just dumping it around where they live. And I mean, you know, right now there's the big Monsanto case where basically it's is Monsanto gonna be it's like happening that you know the ruling will come out next month, but is Monsanto uh gonna did Monsanto have a requirement to tell people that this was gonna give them cancer? Because a lot of the stuff in like Roundup and stuff has been proven to give you cancer and and negatively affect your body. And it seems like the federal government is just gonna say, like, oh, they can't be in trouble for this, just give them immunity, which is insane, I think crazy. Um but a lot of these cases they've they've lost. They've set aside Bayer, who makes aspirin, bought Monsanto, and they set aside like $10 billion for lawsuits because they were basically, I think, because they know they did some stuff and they're gonna keep having to pay this out. Um but all the stuff with glyphosate in it is there's a ton of cases about it because it uh it basically messes with your body's ability to protect itself and regulate itself, and we're not only using it in general, which is you know sort of a maybe not a good idea, but we're just dumping it right in the in the place where we get our food. It's one of the craziest ideas to me. I mean, even if you didn't have all these studies, which we do, the idea that you're dumping chemicals where you I wouldn't want you to pour Pepsi on the food I eat. You know what I mean? That's how, just from a dumb guy's perspective, it'd go, you go, well, that's probably not if I could not have you do that, it would be good. If you could not, if you put Mountain Dew on carrots, I'd be like, those are probably bad for me now. You know what I mean? There just seems to be some level of um keep chemicals out of food, but I get you know, apparently not. Or I think the real answer is just they don't care. They just they don't care. Um and then there's a whole interesting rabbit hole if they so they made GMO crops, they modify the crops to basically become types of you know, variants of crops that can handle uh the whole field around them being sprayed with herbicide, killing everything around them except them. And you go, yeah, but what else? What are the Other side effects of that. You know what I mean? Sure, you can now spray the whole field and it's easy. But is something else going on? Is is the GMO stuff probably worse for us? Um so it's pretty crazy. I I am curious how that case is gonna uh go. It them putting away 10 billion for lawsuits is just kind of I don't know how that's not that would seem suspicious to me if you were like, we didn't do anything wrong, but we should have 10 billion on hand in case uh we did. And yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it goes out. I mean I is I'm pretty sure it's gonna pretty sure they're gonna get away with it because every big company gets away with everything. Um but pretty insane. So there's the chemical part of it. Um I mean that's another thing too. I don't know that we can our lawn's gonna look like a natural place, which is not what you you know, that's not the ideal suburban lawn if we don't spray chemicals on it. And there's no part of me that thinks it makes sense to spray chemicals. So I just go, yeah, I guess we're gonna let it go back to the way it is. And I also think you can make it pretty beautiful. I mean, we have parts of the yard that we have taken the grass out and planted flowers or planted vegetables, and they look great. So it certainly can be done, and a lot of it is less work. You know, I think clover's pretty. If you we we cleared off a huge area and put uh borage down, and um all the bees are apparently, you know, I mean it hasn't bloomed yet, so I don't know, but they say that's like that's how you get the pollinators in, then they go to your they go to all the rest of your crops. So that's pretty interesting. Um then the HOA element, that like that sealed the deal for me. I hate an HOA. I hate the idea of anybody telling other people what to do, just you know, just kind of being in your business. Uh so the fact that HOAs find people and in some rare cases have taken people's homes for um not having a grass lawn for doing other stuff. There's a case in Chicago, I think, where a lady was growing crops and they said you can't do that. There was one in Florida where the lady was gonna get her house taken, but then they signed a new bill basically saying she was allowed to do there. Was actually one case where they said you have to the HOA bylaws say you have to grow something uh normal. That was literally the wording. And then the guy was like, Well, everyone has grass, so normal means grass. And you're like, What? So I just have to do what everybody else does. That would drive me nuts. Um they also, when you start looking at how much water goes into these things, it's nuts. I they said the amount of grass we grow with irrigation is about the size of Texas, and there's three times as much irrigated grass as there is corn. And corn's like, you know, everywhere, there's massive fields of corn every time you drive through the Midwest. Um, and there's corn syrup and everything, everybody knows how much corn we grow. Three times as much grass that we're irrigating. If the grass was just there, sure, but the fact that we're spending so much water on it, especially out west where there's you know huge water problems, um seems crazy. There also was a thing, I think it's they said Americans spend $36 billion a year on lawn care, which seems crazy. I mean, I mow my own yard and it's still expensive going to get gas, and I you gotta change the blades every once in a while. And you know, there's some little upkeep stuff, but you know, when you think about you could be making money from the lawn and you could be creating systems that sort of, you know, reinforce themselves, and that nature is a pretty good setup where you can kind of if you tap into nature, you can you can do crop rotation, you can make your own compost and grow your own soil and then grow your own food. I mean, there's a pretty pretty good upside to a lot of this stuff, and instead we're spending all this money to impress, I don't know, I guess your neighbors. But if your neighbors are nice, they probably don't care. I mean, if they're people you want to be friends with, they probably don't care. And even if they do, it does feel like a little bit of a high school thing to worry about to do something that's that doesn't make any sense just because of um social pressure. But yeah, pretty interesting to me that just the the amount of money that was going into it. And then there's the whole thing of going back to the bees episode, you're now taking away everything. It's a monoculture, you're just growing one thing that does nothing, and it the only the only thing it does is cost a lot to maintain, and you're taking out all the plants that have beneficial effects, all the things that bring the pollinators, and that's like that's the position it would almost make more sense if society kind of shamed you for having a lawn and you were like, Well, I but I like it, it's my thing. Um but we're such I don't know, we're such pack animals that we all are doing the same thing. It doesn't even make sense, and again, it's I don't know how to feel about the whole thing because I love mowing the lawn. It's a good time. I like talking to strangers about like they go, what type of mower you got? I go, I got it this one. They go, Oh, I got this. I like it. It's not uh, it's not like I'm saying I don't want to be out there. I'm just noticing I'm putting a lot of time and a lot of effort into something, and I feel like part of me goes, I should just rip all this out and start planting crops and planting flowers and doing all this stuff. But even even knowing all this stuff and having read all this research, there's a part of me that goes, eh, I don't know. I don't know, man. Everybody else on the street's got a lawn. You can be the only guy who does it. Um yeah, I don't know. Pretty interesting. I wonder if if you listen to this and you've ripped out your lawn, how did it go? Did you like it? Because I would love to, I would love to do it, but I'm a little, I'm a little hesitant, but uh I think I'm gonna do it. I think I think we're gonna slowly start reclaiming areas of the of the lawn and turning them into gardens. And as time goes on, maybe we just turn the whole thing into it and become the crazy guy on the street. I like all my neighbors. I love my neighborhood. I'm not trying to upset anybody, but um every time I do it, it feels crazy. I get, you know, there are parts of a lawn I like, a really nice lawn with the stripes. It's kind of mesmerizing. It feels peaceful. Like when I finish mowing the lawn and I look at it, I feel good. I go, all right, everything's everything is calm, everything is great. But yeah, it's pretty interesting. The other thing that blew my mind that I didn't know, um, so I guess you know, car engines have all sorts of environmental regulations. They can't uh they can't be super dirty, and as time goes on, they have to emit less and less byproducts of combustion. But these these non-road mowers, as they're called, they can do anything they want. I would so it said uh one hour of mowing is somewhere, because you know, these things are always vague, between 100 and 350 miles of driving. So a commercial leaf blower, which is somehow three times as bad as a mower. I don't I don't know how. Um, one hour of blowing a commercial leaf blower is the same amount of pollution as a flight from LA to Denver, which seems bad. Um But I don't know. I mean, with this episode, I'm not trying to get anybody. Anybody who likes their lawn, keep doing your lawn. I'm not trying to get anybody to change anything. But it the the longer it goes for me, the more I go, why am I doing this again? And uh yeah, I don't know. It just seems it seems like I could have a lot more fun and have a more interesting yard if I had all sorts of vegetable areas, and maybe I'll just keep a little bit of an area that's like that's my lawn square. That's where we throw the football. That's um, but that might look even crazier. So it'll be interesting to see can I overcome my own feelings of like, eh, this is what I'm supposed to do. But yeah, it's pretty amazing. All the stuff, um, all the stuff I read about just what crazy stuff they're doing. Here are some of the Julie Bass, Oak Park, Michigan, 93 days in jail for growing vegetables in her front yard. Uh 17-year garden in Miami Shores, Florida. They were charged $50 a day, and it went on for like 10 years. So at some point they were just they just owed thousands of dollars. I mean, these are like these are things that make you want to join a militia. That's that's the level of an HOA taking someone's house over a vegetable garden is like it's like when in John Wick they shot the dog, and you were like, anything John Wick does from this point on is okay. That's how I feel when I read stuff like that, where I just go, There's nothing you could, you could anything that happens to the HOA now, I'm fine with because that just seems so petty and evil. But I don't know. Is there so much stuff that's changing out west? They're actually some of these pieces are banning. Um, you're not allowed to install these purely ornamental lawns and water the hell out of them because they're starting to realize like we're running out of water. You can't, that seems crazy. Um I wonder what it'll be like in the future, you know. I read this thing about how much better uh concrete or like the the paved roads would be if we didn't make them dark, we made them light, because I guess the light reflection it would make things cooler, like in places like Phoenix. And it's one of those things where you go, it shouldn't be that hard to change it if it makes sense. But no, I can't imagine I can't imagine them making that change because it just seems like we never there's all sorts of stuff we all know is crazy that always happens. So um I'll keep you updated. I think this will be the first of a couple episodes on the lawn. I'm gonna try to piece by piece sort of reclaim it. Um and I know a lot of people who listen, you know, are big garden people. If you've done it, let me know what you think. Or if you think I'm crazy, if you think there's some sort of spiritual communal element to mowing the lawn I'm missing, let me know. But um, yeah, I don't know. It was an interesting day. I was on the mower the other day going, I love it, but I don't know how much I want to do this. Uh so it's great. I got some garden videos that'll be coming out soon. I am very happy with how the garden looks. It is beautiful, it's so fun. And uh yeah, I appreciate everybody who comments. There's a lot of people who uh seem to be listening to every episode. Thank you a ton for that. I appreciate it. Um commenting and leaving the review on the podcast and all the little stuff that everyone asks you to do. Uh, it's it is a big deal. It helps me a lot, and I really appreciate it. And um, yeah, I got some fun shows coming up. I'm gonna be in Chattanooga and Kentucky July 12th and 13th for uh doing don't tell shows Friday in Chattanooga, Kentucky, Murray, Kentucky, Saturday. And then the week after that, I'm in Austin, Texas at the mothership with my buddy Dusty Slay. I'll be opening for him, and uh, we'll probably have a cigar and I'll tell him, you know, the lawn is a conspiracy, and we'll see, we'll see how he feels about it. But um yeah, it was a fun episode. I hope you guys liked it. Uh, as always, thank you very much for listening. I'll see you next week.