Why 80s Sneaker Culture Still Wins | Raised On Rewind

Discover why the 1980s was the peak era for sneakers, from Jordan 1s to the forgotten Reebok Pump.

In this episode of Raised on Rewind, hosts Hugh, Drew, and Kari bridge a 30-year generational gap to dissect the evolution of Retro Lifestyle. We explore the transition of athletic gear into the Cultural Zeitgeist, moving from the "sports-only" era of the Converse Weapon to the hip-hop-driven explosion of the Adidas Superstar and Nike Air Force 1. The discussion dives deep into the "East Bay Catalog" era, the impact of Run-D.M.C. on global fashion, and the "tech-wars" between the Reebok Pump and the Nike Air Pressure. Whether you’re a 90s baby or an 80s original, we break down why these "trends" became permanent cultural pillars.

Timestamps: 
00:00 - Why 80s Sneaker Nostalgia is Peak
01:53 - How Air Jordan Defined the 80s Zeitgeist
03:10 - Run-D.M.C. & The Birth of Hip-Hop Fashion
04:08 - The East Bay Catalog: Pre-Internet Shopping
05:54 - Buying Sneakers Before Digital Apps (COD & Checks)
10:30 - Iconic 80s Sneaker Commercials Ranked
12:24 - MySpace to TikTok: Social Media Evolution
20:13 - Reebok Pump vs. Nike Air: The 80s Tech War
34:55 - Top 10 Best 80s Sneakers of All Time
45:15 - The Nike Vandal & 80s Movie Product Placement
54:21 - Did Adidas or Nike Start Sneaker Culture?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

But we're going back. Like literally, we're taking it back. Way back. We're rewinding. Get your pencil and start uh turning the turning the tape.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Two three.

SPEAKER_03 0:12

Hello. Welcome. Hello.

SPEAKER_02 0:16

Ola. To the Hello. Raised on Rewind Podcast. And we got one of our sons in the house who was actually not born or lived in the 1980s. He was born in the 90s, right? You were 90s, baby. Yeah, early 90s, raised in the 2000s, begrudgingly in the tens and beyond. I know. So I've mentored this young man since he was like what four or five years old.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

That's why I am on the verge of my 13th reason.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Nah, I just but uh nah, cars and leaves. I've learned a lot. Yeah, just don't hopefully nothing financial.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Uh I learned what not to do. It's kind of damn right. Yeah, we all represent a different uh decade 50, 40, and 30. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

Yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

I didn't think about that. Span at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

That's some good shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Yeah, I've learned a lot about retro lifestyle from cultural osmosis. My older brother's got me about 12 years. He's born in 85, which biased. I think that's like the peak year of the 80s. Like you had Jordan 1's, you had Back to the Future, you had the NES. Like, man, that was a time, bro. Like to be alive, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

And that's why we're here today. We're gonna talk about retro sneakers. And I'm sneaking because I'm sneaker guy. He's a sneaker guy, and we always like the perspective of the youth on these things because you wear them not being nostalgic, but more so as like a trend. We wear them because it is a trend. I'm not I'm not saying that in an insulting way, by the way. No, I got you, I got you.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

As like I wasn't there for the inception, so I got in on the back end. Yeah, pause, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

You wasn't there, yeah. You wasn't there. Yeah, Drew and I were though. We were outside, literally, because that's what we used to do when we were children. Um outside, outside, yeah. So I'm uh I gotta like we're gonna do a top 10 list, but we also want to tell some stories, right? Because that's what we're here to do, tell stories. Well, do you got any stories from the your pop? Your pops is in the sneakers.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

My pops was a fashion guy, and he got the sneakers that bridge the gap from cultish sneakerhead stuff to general mainstream. So, think about like how Jerry Seinfeld wore like Nike running and Jordan's because they were like the cultural zeitgeist. Jordan was the man, you know, jogging was the it trend, Air Max was the it technology, the most technological thing in consumer running. So, like by osmosis, he got that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

That's dope.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

Okay, he ever tell you any stories about like not just the sneakers, but just like his his most fine sneaker stories came from my older siblings. So, besides my older brother, I have two older sisters, and he was at the forefront of the I have to have these shoes, and trying to understand why yo, you want these sneakers that cost $85, which back then was the equivalent to like $150, $200 sneakers for my generation, you know. So he was at the the birth of you know, sneakers being more than just what they're intended use for, which was sports or exercise. It was like, oh man, I need these to fit in and be popular. Like he saw the run DMC, my Adidas thing. Um, he saw the first signature, you know, sneakers becoming like more than just for basketball. So yeah, he was around.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Yeah, same. Yeah, I was that's when I got in this like a sneaker thing with my Adidas. I had the um I had the whole run DMC fit, man. And I wore the thing and shoes without the late.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

Y'all had an interesting time with sneakers because my generation and a little bit on down until they canceled it, and y'all generation was the first people to experience it. Those East Bay catalogs coming in. And the crazy thing is the founders of East Bay just released a book talking about how they started the catalog and their experiences with it up until its closure. Um, shout out Matt Fritz Creates, follower of some of our other content. He just interviewed those guys. The episode came out today, actually. Um, their book comes out this week or this month, I can't be sure. But to my point, y'all had the benefit of like looking in the Macy's and Sears catalogs and seeing sneakers and like my generation on down was like you could get Jordans from Macy's from Sears, like that. That was nuts to think about.

SPEAKER_02 4:54

Yeah, it was quite an interesting every month.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

Man, couldn't wait for the East Bay every month. Did you guys frequent those catalogs a lot? Like, besides just looking at them, like were y'all getting stuff from them?

SPEAKER_03 5:08

No, because at least back then, I mean, I wasn't buying sneakers like this, you know. You had like one, two pairs max. You if you got two pairs, you were you were upper upper class, right? Like, or you were stealing because you know, you got one pair of kicks and you wore them to death. You just at least in my house, like my two pairs. I didn't really grow up in the hood, I wouldn't consider it the hood. I don't know. We're white people, urban areas, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

So, another question as far as acquiring shoes. Um, with nowadays, you double-click the side of your phone, your information's filled out, your card is charged. I know with East Bay, you would have to call in before they had their website. What was the most convenient way that you guys got shoes? Did y'all delve into that realm? Like being that groundbreaking parent, they'd be like, Mom, can you charge your card over the phone? No, no, nah, yeah, we get your own.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

But it was an experience. You go to the store, you wanted to wear them out the store. I I specifically remember buying kicks and just put it like my old ones went straight into the box or straight into the trash. Like I you know, you put it, you put the the old ones in the box that you and they bought the new ones off feet and walk out right out the store. No matter what the fuck I was wearing, I wore the brand new shoe out the store, no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Yeah, kids don't do that anymore.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Yeah, they hold them to see what how much it's worth on stocking.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

Everything's like electronic, so it's not abnormal. But back in the day, like you had the carbon copy paper and you had the freaking slider, right? Like and they had copies of your credit card, so sending it over the phone felt yeah. My parents weren't doing that shit.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Yeah, that's back in the day when they still had COD. Yeah, I've never experienced that personally, but I would you know be up late watching TV and the infomercial will come on. And I'd I'd asked my dad, I'm like, Yo, what's COD? And he was like, Oh, once the delivery driver comes with the thing, you have to give them the cash, cash on delivery. And I was like, How do you know you're gonna get the cash? My dad was like, Well, you wouldn't get shit, you wouldn't get it. I was like, Why didn't they just pay online? And he was all like, 'cause this is when you watch reruns or you go on YouTube, that's a big thing now. People watching nostalgia commercials, and I will constantly hear him say COD, and I'm like, yo, they used to be a thing. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

Yeah, still is. I mean, not still is it?

SPEAKER_03 7:50

It is um because you didn't have a lot of credit cards back then either. Like you you didn't have credit cards like you do now. Like credit cards were it was just different. Like I my parents always paid cash or check. I've I like literally uh every blue moon you'd see them use a credit card, but it was always cash or a check. And the first the first credit cards were like diners club.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Remember them shits? Yeah, and um, I think American Express was probably one of the first ones out there, like on that was mainstream.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

But outside of sneakers, just in general, do y'all remember the first thing your parents or yourself purchased with a credit card?

SPEAKER_02 8:28

I can't remember. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

I mean, you remember that? See, I was credit cards was normally being used when I can't remember getting stuff purchased. Of course, yeah. So like I've never seen I know the the little swiping mechanism. I remember when I was working in retail for the first time, and uh we were doing a cleanup of the cash wrap because we had a visit, and we were getting to the Nicks and Crannies, and I found that skimmer, it was a holdover from a long, long time ago. I'm like, what the hell is this? And my manager just cracked up laughing.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Isn't that funny? You know how they have those things that skim your card now, like you put it over the ATM machine or whatever. Yeah, that used to be the way type of card skimming. Yeah, well, I'm just saying, but that used to be the way you used to do a transaction, like credit card fraud, if it was a thing, could have been rampant.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

I'm pretty sure it was that's why they keep taking new measures. You got chip, then you got tap, and then with your phones, it encrypts the last four digits and scrambles the numbers and stuff like that. So I can only imagine the people who are smart enough to come up with credit card scams. I know they were running wild for a little while.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Yeah, yeah, it's it's some time, man. But I don't know. My first my first real memories of like sneakers, and you know, when we go through the list, I'll talk more about it or just you know put it on my list. But I first my favorite scene. I told Drew about this the last episode or episode before was a pair of uh uh van skate lows with just palm trees all over them. And I actually found them, they re-released them and they look like the similar color, I can remember, but I'll I'll show you all actually I'll show you all now. But um, these shoes, man. Oh man, I used to love these Johns, man. And let me know if you want me to pull up and Drew, if you got or car if you got any shoes you want to pull up, I'll pull them up.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Are you seeing my memories and what I was gonna ask to kind of skews more towards remembering sneaker advertisements or commercials that really meant something to you? Most of my be from the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 10:41

Yeah, I don't remember shit. I was not into the sneakers or anything like that, or you know, uh athletics.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

But yeah, I remember both I remember Bo Jackson and Lil Michael Jordan, the Mars, you know, the Mars um the Mars Blackman commercial yo, those Looney Tunes commercials around the Jordan 7 and 8s, man. It was just the fact that he was it was like that who frame Roger Rabbit Space Jam aesthetic where you had live action characters with cartoon characters, and it just blew my mind.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Aren't these the best shoes ever?

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Uh definitely not, but hey, a few like I rocked them joints.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

I rocked these joints faithfully. They screamed. Oh, yeah, I wore them shit. So very Miami Vice, you know, it was it was a wave, man. Like being a kid back then was so much fun. That's why I feel sorry. I mean, you grew up at a good, a decent time too. You you were still outside, I think.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

Yo, yeah. Um, the internet was a hassle to have in my single-digit years. Like, we were the first houses on the block with internet, but even having it, your mom couldn't be on the phone. We only had one console, like one PC. Oh, the dial up. I had two siblings that live with me, so we had to share it. And then most of the time it was preloaded stuff or educational things, yeah, on the computer. Like we delved into the chat rooms, but my mom was a news watcher, so Dateline is running stories about predators and stuff. So she would hear that AOL chime or see that icon on the desktop, and she'd be like, No, cut one off, cut it off.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Was you on Black Planet?

SPEAKER_01 12:17

I was too young for Black Planet, but I heard all the stories. I was on Black Planet, and me gente. My first um foray into internet, social media was MySpace. I was a MySpace kid. That's uh 2000s, 2005s, and tens, top eights, Tom being your friend, uh downloaded backgrounds from websites that probably gave you viruses and those automatic playlists that crank to max volume of somebody opened up your page. I was there, bro. Only thing that mattered was who someone's relationship status was and how many followers or friends I should say that they had.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

It's kind of the same today, not much has changed.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Well, it actually really is.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

We had no internet, so it didn't matter. I didn't get internet till 97. So see, that sounds like you didn't have dialogue. I didn't get the parents give a fuck about that shit.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

I mean, yo, they never I didn't get it. It was weird. That was one of the first, like, literally, we got internet so fast. We had the fucking 9600 baud modem. You put that shit right on the receiver, right on there, make the noise. Someone calls, knocks you off the internet while you're downloading some like dot matrix porn, right? Like zeros and or like binary porn, like zeros and ones. Yo, this waiting like six hours for it to download.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

This guy was connected. Yo, he had all the fucking adult content before the adults had it, bro. You should hear his story. You're in a weird environment, man. We're talking we're talking about video cassettes. Yo, I remember the first video porn joint. I found it in the laundry camper.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

I had the paper porn back then, huh? Yeah, you need to buy it on VHS or rent it, like or buy it. You go into the video store and it was covered by a uh a curtain, right? The dirty was a curtain, you had to go back to the code.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

I remember going to a multimedia store, it wasn't offshoot like Blockbuster. They sold DVDs, and I wandered to the back that was covered by a curtain, thinking, okay, I have to pee. This gotta be where the bathroom is. Oh, you went through the matrix, all the uh all the DVDs blocked off, and I was like, Oh, this is just like Suncoast, probably the store where my dad and my older brother go, and I peeled it back, and I was like, Whoa, well, this isn't the bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

I am I'm surprised I'm not so traumatized because I seen some. I'm not gonna talk about what I seen in my house, but I we were at a like a local video store, like you just saying. My pop, my pops was with us, was with me, my mom, the whole family. Pops goes to the back into the fucking dark room. I'm like, what is it? What's over it? No, you can't go. No, what is it? You know, I I mean, I kind of knew what it was, but you didn't talk about it back then. It's like weird. Do you see that now? It's it's a rap. You're going, you're gonna you're gonna take you away. Your parents are looking at dirty out. No, she got you can't do that shit. Twitter will be like, go to this theater and jerk off. That's how fucking crazy it was back then. Like most of the people, that's right. Yo, that's Pee Wee Herman, right? Yeah, they got but yo, I man, that that shit. There was like a there was like a porn theater near where we used to live near the train station where my mom used to come in. Go through my dad used to drop my mom off at work, and it just said triple X, and it'll have all the different titles. Like, I swear, like I was born in eight. I don't know what I don't remember another title.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

Someone's gotta explain to me the draw for watching a porn movie in a movie in the movie theater with other people.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Oh no, not with other people, but imagine that screen, dog.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Come on, no, you had a fucking screen like nah, you're in an environment where somebody could literally shoot on the back of your head, bro. Yeah, like you're in public, man.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

I'm not I'm just talking about just having a big ass screen to watch. Do that at home. What do I had that no? Come on.

SPEAKER_03 16:15

I'm saying a movie theater going oh yeah, like going to a movie theater like Paul Rubin watching fucking porn, whack it like who's watching porn in public? A lot of people back then.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

Uh yeah, now it's weird. Yeah, it's very it's a different society. I mean, nowadays it's like shit, same society. Well, same, same, but now people are in the freakier shit. So like you pull up somebody's phone and they got some freaky shit on there. Back in the day, it'd be like, Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go jerk off the Debbie does Dallas or whatever. Now it's like you you know, you're fucking looking at some you know, chicks with dicks and fucking horses and chickens and shit. Like that's what motherfuckers is looking at. I'm about to say not in my search history, but not in yours.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

I don't I don't watch any adult contents, nothing.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

It's banned here in Texas, it's all blocked.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

It's banned. I don't even nope.

SPEAKER_03 17:10

Lies you're married, I'm about to say projection, right? That's why your right hand is bigger. You got that big forearms. I do have big forearms. There you go. Double Dutch rudder over there. Double Dutch Rudder.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

I never heard that in my life. Anyway, that's some white people shit. Yo, yo, but sneakers, bro. Like, all right, let's go back on topic. Sorry. I mean, we could I love that we went into it, seems to go there every episode.

SPEAKER_03 17:40

But wait, wait, before before we get off the topic, before we get off, did you ever watch what was it, Dave Attel? Dave's old porn, the show. Oh no, oh my god, and that he's a comedian. He had a show, I think it was on HBO at late at night, and uh he would basically talk about like old 70s porn movies and like his favorite porn stars, his favorite scenes. It was great, it was hilarious. So, anyway, I don't know. Don't get me into I know it's still not on, but Drew, when we talk about it, just send you a link.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

When we talk about we should do an episode about cable in the 90s and how fucked up like you had skinemax, and then you had HBO with me. You'd think HBO would have good after dark, no, yeah. Skinemax was better than HBO because HBO had that real sex shit, and I you know I didn't understand what real sex was until I seen HBO, and it's like that's it's 80-year-old people having sex with each other. It was like a fucking nudist camps, it was disgusting. It was the worst shit I ever seen in my. You know, I stay up till midnight. They're gonna go, oh, real sex 12, real sex 18. I'm like, all right, cool. Let me let me go look at this. And some grandma and grandpa and some fucking like uh swinger camp.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

I'm like, yeah, I didn't care. Titties were titties, bro.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

This guy's beating up the Chuck Norris infomercials, yo.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

He was beating up the Chuck Norris infomercials. There was nothing worse than staying up late because back in the day we didn't have streamer service, of course. So HBO Showtime stars, they would be like, for example, you wait for Disney Plus to upload the latest MCU movie, but back then you'd have to wait for the stars premiere. So you'd be up lead, you feel special, folks order pizza, your homeboy might be over, and y'all gonna watch the latest Harry Potter film because y'all missed it in the theaters, what have you, and y'all stay up, you watch it, fall asleep, TV still on. You wake up to go take a piss, and all she hears, oh wait, hey, no, wait, hold up, and then you can't find a remote. You're scrambling, making extra noise. Your dad wakes up, like, what the hell is going on? So you just had the Andy's coming Toy Story style and just knock out.

SPEAKER_02 19:51

Yeah, you somebody had premium cable back in the day. Well, I didn't have all that.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

We had it all, brother. DVR, premium cable. Um, she had HBO Showtime, you rich folks, stars, yeah, good times.

SPEAKER_02 20:07

The Huckstables over here. Anyway, so sneak. Well, Drew, you're the oldest one here. So was you outside ever doing the sneaker thing?

SPEAKER_03 20:20

Yeah, my first pair was Reebok pumps. That's what got me into the game. I had sneakers before that, um, but the reebok pumps that that was that was the game changer. That was the trigger for me. Like literally, I thought I was gonna be because I was a tall kid, so that was terrible at basketball. So I thought that was my ticket. Um put those pumps on my feet. I'm gonna be able to hoop.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Did it work? Oh, it did not work. Okay, it did not work. Gotta work at a jump shot. Yeah, the pump didn't work.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

Didn't work actually hurt my feet. Uh I wore the shit out of those sneakers. Oh my god. I was heartbroken the day they fell apart. Heartbroken. Heartbroken when the bladders stopped pumping up right in the shoe.

SPEAKER_02 21:03

Oh, yeah. My insta pumps, my current models don't don't pump up in heartbroken. The bladder broke. I love that shoe.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

The bladder broke, air bladder.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

Yeah, yeah. I like the pumps. I had the LA gear pumps, um, the uh regulators. It's it's on my list. And it's so funny. I looked for the the ones that I had, I found a picture of them online, and I was like, damn it, man. I remember them joints. Such a great shoe, even though it was, you know. Oh, the LA lights, too. I had those too. Remember the LA lights? The ones with the light where you stepped and they lit up, yeah. Like your light shoes.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Uh, I was too old for them.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Those were that would get you ridiculed growing up.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

Well, that's that was that came. Was that a 90s shoe or an 80s shoe? That was just no, the idea of light up shoes in general. I mean, there was a little phase where remember the little shoes with the roller thing. That's more your generation, Kari, right? With the little roller coaster.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

I was a little, I was at a Prime age for Heelys, but also based off my skin complexion and where I grew up at, that'd get you beat up too. I hope you are skilled in maneuvering in those because you need to get away from the people that's gonna chase you.

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Okay. Oh, that'll like your lights are in the 90s. See, that was a 90s shoe.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Yeah, light up shoes were always associated with like the cheap alternatives that people got from payless. So yeah, you wasn't wearing light up shoes. Like if you were single digit age like six and under, it was cute. But the minute you got into like upper elementary middle school age, if you got caught dead in a pair of those. No, I just throw them away in line. So you got robbed or something. Yeah, I didn't I didn't something else.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Yeah, I didn't I didn't get those, but I did have the the LA gear uh regulator pumps, and they it was it was like it didn't look that bad, but it wasn't a reebok pump, and I did get I know I uh kids used to say a little something about me in you know in elementary school when I had those, but I didn't care because they pumped and they didn't have the pump, so I was like, Yeah, my shit's pump up, you know. I took I took it for what it was, but the kid with the pumps, the real ones, the reebox. Man, I was you know, I kind of put my um jeans over the the pump. Oh you had to hide the pump when you was around people with like really nice shit. You know how you get a little embarrassed and you're like, eh, and you know, you know, but you're cool when the the kid with the fucking uh Tom McCann shoes walks in and you're like, I don't even know what that is. Look at my pump. Yeah, that that's uh they're on my list. Um McCann. Well, they were gonna be on my list, yeah. I had a pair of the Run with the Jocks, two can sand Buster Browns. I forgot about that shit. Yeah, there were so many oddballs like shoe stores. You you know, you think of like Payless or Journey and all that stuff like that would be in the mall. There would be like five times that amount in the mall back in the day. Like, you know, there'll be a Tom McCann, there will be a um uh what was the like Payless was kind of a newer brand back in the Buster Brown was big, Buster Brown, yeah. Uh shoe depot. I think shoe depot was around then, too.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

That might have been a New York thing.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Okay. Um, well, yeah, New York had Dr. J's and a whole bunch of these. I remember Dr.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

J's.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Yeah, and uh Jazz. Remember Jazz? Jimmy Jazz. Jimmy Jazz, Jimmy Jazz, yeah. Jimmy Jazz is still around, right? That was more like Philly and I don't think they are DC and New York, I think.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

They're gone in D.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Maryland, they were in Maryland, too, right? Yeah, they used to be one of my local malls. Like, you gotta think about I think sneaker resale shops kind of replace those places. You know, DTLR is still around, but they're more started. Yeah, yeah, and the athletes' foot.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

All right, um, probably the couple, they got bought out and they rebranded and try to create this whole path to ownership.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

Um, remember Kenny? Kenny? Not Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

I mean, they're all the they're all they yeah, they all they sold these off brand, but people used to buy them, like back then it wasn't about like Nike or whatever, like Reebok in the 80s had the athletic footwear thing, and then it was like Adidas, and then Nike, and Nike just took over after 1989. Jordan 3, it's a rat. Nike was just gone. And that's like, yeah, that's in Jordan was winning. They put out these dope ass shoes. Fucking Spike Lee was winning.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

Everybody came out in '88, right? The four came out in '89. Yeah, 88. 89, 88, whatever. So it does make a difference because you're you're breaking into the 90s at that point, and then you know, the Jordan craze was really hitting.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Yeah, so well, I mean, I think the Jordan craze came about '87. Like they started really popular. 87 was the Jordan.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

But it was that Nike just like everyone was talking about Nike, right? Like people were not talking about other sneaker brands.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Yeah, Jordan, Jordan made waves because those were his shoes. Like, even more popular shoes were worn by famous people and endorsed by famous people, but the Converse Weapon wasn't the Converse Bird or Converse Magic. Yeah, the superstar wasn't the Run DMCs.

SPEAKER_02 26:25

With an air for Air Force One, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

The Jordan's was like Air Jordan. Yeah, like that's his shoe.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Yeah, it's smart what they did. I mean, you've seen the movies. I guess they did have uh Pull McClyde's, yeah, didn't work out too well.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

But you know, as far as pairing what people thought was groundbreaking technology with the encapsulated air, then it was those bold garish colors of that red, and then Jordan was Jordan. It was like a trifecta, it was like lightning in the bottle.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Yeah, and you all know the story how he didn't actually wear a Jordan one until yeah, the year after. So he was in the airship, airship, yeah. But those commercials and all that, I never saw them. I never saw a Jordan commercial, uh, the like the band one that with him just dribbling. I never saw that, or never paid attention. I didn't start paying attention until I think like 89, maybe that's when we used to watch a little more NBA on TV, and then um I became a fan.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

I think still to this day, Nike advertising back then was some of the best, best TV ads ever.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah, that's what I was alluding to earlier. Like watching Charles Barkley play basketball against Godzilla, Michael Jordan wasn't around with uh Martian the Manhunter and Jordan Sevens. The the commercials for Space Jam alone was like, What the hell? This is crazy. Yeah, yeah, big budget. Um, even even some of the characters that they had little penny, yeah, Larry June, uh not Larry June, uh that's a musician, Larry Johnson grandmama with a Converse. Um, even though I only remember seeing it in vintage comics that I got from my dad, but Bird and Magic back to back, holding up the Converse weapon, the choose your weapon ads.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

Yo, remember the bird versus magic? Was it bird versus magic or bird versus Jordan? The game, the the one-on-one game that they had on the Commodore 64. It was bird. We should have talked about this on the video game thing last week. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Magic. I don't think it would be bird versus Jordan video.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

No, I mean they had it had a shoed out in the McDonald's. No, it's bird versus Jordan versus Bird. I knew it. Holy crap. Yeah, Jordan versus Bird one-on-one, 1988. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

I used to play this field being out made in 1988.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

Yeah, I think it it was on the tail end, I think. The Commodore was kind of on the tail end.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Yeah, this is this is the last one. Oh, this is on any yeah, and this is on the NES. It was on the NES. I remember playing what 91?

SPEAKER_01 29:09

No, NES was 85. I said SNES.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Oh, that's 859. That was 92, I think. Is that the 90s?

SPEAKER_01 29:19

NES was definitely like 90, 91.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

1990. 1990. Oh, you gotta see this shit. Because I remember playing this on the computer, and I had to figure out how to use a computer to do this shit.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

Jordan versus I did not play this game. I didn't play this one. Really?

SPEAKER_00 29:48

You can play one or two players, or even watch a sim game. Jordan and Bird had very different styles, which was implemented into the game in limited capacity. You couldn't have Bird's insane passing ability in a game of one-on-one. The main differences are Jordan's ability to dunk and birds more accurate.

SPEAKER_02 30:08

You know what's wild about what he just said? Bird's insane passing ability. These 80s motherfuckers. Yo, I'm sorry. I know this is a vintage retro podcast, but our delusional or some people's delusional memories about that time is why we have Trump as president right now. Oh my god, what a weak logic. What is that? What'd you say? What does that mean? That it means what it means. Think about it.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

What does that mean? A point guard's insane passing ability being referenced. No, it okay. I'm not gonna no, because I we got to talk about this for a second. What happened, bro?

SPEAKER_03 30:56

I don't understand why you think Larry Bird was not a good passer. He he was considered one of the things that's a good one. Okay, that's what we're talking about. Like in today's world, the game's completely different.

SPEAKER_02 31:09

Yeah, but no, no, come on. Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Come on. When we get into these conversations offline about greatness in sports, any sport, any sport, it doesn't matter what sport. Some people, present, some of the present company included, have these delusional grand things like, oh, Jordan jumped over fucking everybody. No, he jumped over Spud Webb, a five foot three motherfucker. That's who he jumped over. Okay, he he he crossed over Mark Price. You ever see Mark Price? He's probably in your fucking family, Drew.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

All right, we're here to talk about sneakers. I'm not starting, I'm not going down this path with you. You you can stay in that lane all night. Oh my god, no.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

I ain't driving, I ain't crossing over. I I I'm sorry, I started this. I shouldn't even brought up this game because the minute that man said his amazing passing ability, I was just like, oh my god. Because he's right. The joint was not wrong. Bounce pass.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

Are you gonna say magic was a shitty passer too? Like magic had no flame.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

That was all finesse. He's nice, but come on.

SPEAKER_03 32:15

So you're racist now. It's a white night then, right?

SPEAKER_02 32:18

No, I don't see color. I don't see color. It sounded crazy. It was it was the tough comparison of me. This is a metaphor, it's a metaphor on like he's calling us stupid.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

That's why if we believe what we believe, has nothing to do with the political thing. But if if you believe that Bird was a good passer, you're you're filled with propaganda and you're stupid.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

No, if you believe, if you hold on, make America great again. That's what I'm trying to say. Like, when was like are arguably in a better space than we were 10 years ago, five years ago, you know, technologically, you know, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

But that's like shaming that game for being like, yo, compared to NBA 2K, that game look like ass. Like, oh well, yeah, in comparison to the current state of things, but back then that game was pioneering technology, bro.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

I get it, I get it. But it's just funny how this guy like says his amazing past, like, okay, it's cool for the time. Like you get the caveat it or or put the little asterisk next to it back in 1984.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Considering that was a footnote and talking about the mechanics of the game, I don't think it's relevant. It could be it could be implied that he's talking of the time. I just think it's hilarious. Like, he didn't say Larry Bird's passing ability, which is superior to that of Chris Balls, is in full showcase in this game. He's just like hey, then the man can pass, bro. We know a motherfucker who would say that.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

A couple of moments, yeah. But I don't think that's this guy, or I don't know who this guy is. All I know is that he made a comment that triggered me. He made a comment that triggered me.

SPEAKER_01 33:59

That's I can't, and I can't see how you made that leap in logic.

SPEAKER_02 34:03

You know, come on, how long you know me before I will pull the fucking I will find the nuance in anything. Okay, uh I will find the nuance in anything.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Yeah, there's a phrase called subtle nuances, and I think we totally just dropped the soap.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

That shit God ain't nothing subtle about here.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

Anyway, we're here to talk about these beautiful sneakers from that era. Since we only have 15 minutes till John hops on, you want to go through our list? All right, young buck, you start first, and it better be a short ass list. I don't necessarily have a list, and don't be giving out all weird. I don't want to hear about your I bought these in 2011. No, no, no, no, no. If you weren't there, just say that this is a shoe and I like I wasn't even a fetus in the 80s. Okay, I'm just saying, I don't want to hear no stories.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Um we got stories, Drew got stories of great shoes that need to continue to come out from the 80s, Jordan Ones, Doy, um Mac attacks were pretty cool. Those came out recently, didn't know much about those. Um, this is a fictitious shoe because it's never really come out to retail, but Nike Air Mag. We I don't need it to autolase, I would just like to have it.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

It did come out, but it I mean general public.

SPEAKER_01 35:22

Like I would just love uh if that if that company that does prop replicas can make them at mass retail, so can Nike.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

So go on Timu or something. There's mad replicas out there.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

You could just I'll wait, I'll wait for Nike to finally dig into the vault and bring them out. They're not going to. They will one day. Unless they do a special auction, but go ahead. The Nike be true to your school pack when dunks were actually used for hooping. Like if they do an SP release with like the same grains of leather and the authentic shape, I'm all for that. Um I like outdoor hoop shoes, so that's just like a category in general. So bring back the Nike Air Rays, reback, rebock battle rounds.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

Really? '91, '92. Yeah, you're right. That was 92, I think. Yeah, because uh that was Tim Hardaway's shoe, and he was not in the league. He started in the league in 89, I think, but he didn't have a shoe until '92.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Um, after that, brother's gonna be a rap because everything's gonna start tickling the 90s for me. Go ahead. So, Drew, you're waiting to tickle. Wait, is that it? That was your list? Yeah, brother, I don't have any experience with shoes from the 80s.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

I thought you made a list. You said those are all honorable mentions.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

Oh, yeah, I only have honorable mentions.

SPEAKER_02 36:36

Oh, damn. Oh, that's that was very great. Thank you. Somebody did it right. I applaud you, young man.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

I'm not gonna culture appropriate. I have nothing from the 80s that's I've got a personal bond to besides those.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

Drew. Or do you want me to go with X or nah?

SPEAKER_03 36:54

I I jump in. So I was little. No, I'm gone. I'm already going. You already got me going. Okay. Pause. Um, I don't know if any you I know Kari won't remember, but I don't know, Hugh, if you zips. Zips were sneakers in the early 80s. That's what I used to wear. That's what I'd feel like every kid in my school wore zips. And the commercials were crazy.

SPEAKER_02 37:18

They had a zipper.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

Like you would zoom around. No, no, zip. It was like Z Z I P S or something, or Z I P P S. I've I forgot how they spell it, but they were, or I guess they just spell it literally. I'm looking at it. Z I P S. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

I'm looking at oh they had like Stride Right.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

So it was a brand by Stride Right. I remember these.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

So every kid had those growing up. So when I got those Reebok pumps, that's when the game changed. And then yes. I mean, every that's every kid was wearing those.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Kind of like land.

SPEAKER_03 37:53

Yeah, I remember these. Yeah. So at least around my way, that's that's what everyone was rocking on feet. So and then when the Avia 880 came out.

SPEAKER_04 38:03

Oh, I should have losing those.

SPEAKER_03 38:07

I pulled those up already, I think. Game changer. I mean, that shoe just crushed it. Fire. I mean, everybody was wearing that fucking shoe.

SPEAKER_01 38:17

They they just recently had a revival what a year or two ago.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Yeah, they retroed them.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

I mean they they they look like um the Louis Vuitton trainers. No, they uh they look like um what you're gonna call it? Um Louis Vuitton. Homeboy.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

Nah, man. If you look at the Louis Vuitton trainers, yeah, that's what he meant to do.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

Yeah, well, but homeboy, um, what's his name? Rick Owens do the long tongue like that in the high top. Oh, you're talking about on the converse. But the tongue going all the way up like that was Rick Owens thing. I mean, you know, he used to be beast all that.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

This shoe just came out of nowhere. Like you you had I mean, when did the weapon? I mean, you could compare it to the Converse weapon, maybe, but I feel like this shoe just came out of nowhere. It just had so much going on. Um Hakim Olajuan? No, the NBA.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

I think Hakim Lajwan wore those.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

Did he? Maybe. I don't remember. And then after that, you had the Reebok with the the the Velcro strap. What were they? The um shit, the club, not the club champions. Oh Exofit. They might be on this list I have here. But that was the next shoe. The aerobics craze was in full effect. Yeah, everyone was rocking a crispy, clean pair of reebox, high tops, and yo, I still have a pair. I I bought a pair recently, like retroed. Them shits are comfortable. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_02 39:41

Remember the strap thing that was like a it became like a fad, like the um Adidas came out with like a shell toe with the strap, the pro shells.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

I didn't never like those. I never like I always thought they were ugly. Yeah, the pro shells are right here. Yeah, yeah, and then it was just a goofy looking shoe.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

Yeah, anything like and then they had the um the trainer, the air trainer, air trainer, but that came out in 87. Well, this alpha force, which I didn't know. I'm just looking at this list, I don't know what the fuck that is. I'm looking for your shoe. Which what was the name of it? Oh, here's the Puma with the strap.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

The Avea?

SPEAKER_02 40:15

No, the Avea's up there. We were the other one, the last one you were talking about.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

Uh the Reebok was it Exofit? I think they came out in '83. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

You don't like those, huh?

SPEAKER_03 40:27

No, it wasn't the Exofit. I think it was I can't remember the fucking name. I'm just scrolling through here. It's gotta be down towards the bottom because that's sure.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

No, these are high.

SPEAKER_03 40:40

It was it I don't think it would be high on this list. I'll find it. All right, keep going. So I also, you know, the air trainers, like you air trainers were were big, Adidas campuses. So uh I also so vans kind of fell off in the 80s, they kind of stopped uh supporting skaters, but I did like the Vans Caballero.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

This is what you're talking about? That's the gist, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:09

Yeah, that's a dope shoe. I never had that. I remember seeing them in the movies. Um I mean that shoe just had everybody like literally. Yeah, but remembering like the the girl, the women were wearing the levitars with the yeah, it was the it was the height of the aerobics craze, and everyone was doing aerobics, and everyone was wearing that shoe. Yeah, it was in every movie too, like every movie, someone was was rocking a pair of those.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Christy Brinkley was rocking them.

SPEAKER_03 41:34

I bet I I bet I was probably whacking it to her. All right, welcome back, Carrie.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

He said, All right, all right. That was a time to be alive.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

I was thinking uh Sigourney Weaver and the reebox from Alien, but whoever you just mentioned, they she was worth the whack. I'm I'm here for it. Christy Brinkley? She's bad. Christy Brinkley. Well, I know what to add to my search history, didn't I?

SPEAKER_03 41:58

She ever showed her Tata's uh I think she was in the swimsuit edition, which was you know, back in the day porn for us. If you if you didn't get into you, well, not everyone had direct like I wasn't brazen to go into 7-Eleven or the you know the news stand and be like, Yeah, I'll take a copy of the new hustler, hook me up with last month's cherry, and uh I'll take a Playboy, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Like Blacktail, Blacktail, Blacktail. That's the name. That was that's that was a real porn man, you know, Blacktail. It was it was all black. It was an ebony magazine. Yeah, that's crazy. You know what's crazy? But I we told I told the story to Drew. I found my dad's porn stash. He liked white women, you know. All he had was white porn. I was like, damn, bro, come on. Was that all he had, or was that all that was accessible to him? That's all no, they didn't have much. Racist, and when I say they, they shared the the family. This is uh both of my friends. God rest your soul, mom and dad. I'm letting out all the business, but yeah, they they had a uh collective porn stash.

SPEAKER_01 43:07

Okay, I respected the family that uh bunch of freaks together, bunch of freaks.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

I couldn't think of nothing clever to make I don't even know. I don't think it's no. I mean, look, everybody got their thing, but now it's like like since we grew up with porn, well, not grew up, like had more were more porn was more accessible to us. I think it's more privatized. I mean you kept it to yourself more. Like back then, you know, it's like shit. I want to see some shit, you know. You your wife wants to see some shit too, probably. So y'all went to the store and got the shit together. It's hard to get like you know, sometimes I don't I don't know about your family, Drew, but uh your parents.

SPEAKER_03 43:47

Yeah, I mean I had an older brother.

SPEAKER_02 43:49

Oh they they're gonna be able to get the parents got divorced.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

Yeah, my parents got divorced when I was young, so there wasn't a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 43:55

Oh, you told me your dad you told me you you your dad then used to Read the Playboys to y'all and yeah Arbor shop is armor, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

Yeah, so there you go. But that's it.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

See how fucked up we grew up? It's fucked up, yeah. All right, we're talking about shoes. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 44:11

That that's that I think I got to 10. That was pretty much oh, okay. You know, and at 89, like the Jordan 4 for me was kind of my introduction into Jordans, more so than any other silhouette. When the Jordan 4 hit, I was just like, I don't I like the threes. I just the something about the fours is just such a different looking shoe, and I was like, that that got me into Nikes at that point.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

Yeah, I pretty much should have said any Jordan up until the five, which came out in 90, should get a spot.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

That's pretty dope. Your so your list is pretty similar to mine. I so I broke mine into I had a lot, I have a lot on my list, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Do we have any James Cameron fans specifically Terminator?

SPEAKER_02 44:54

Yeah, I didn't I didn't put Terminator dunks on my list, but I they the like the is that's that's an off is that that's the same.

SPEAKER_01 45:01

I wasn't even thinking of Terminator, I was thinking about a lot of people confuse this shoe with the Terminator. I thought that's the one the high uh wearing the high tops and that one. So when I think about Terminator, there was a Nike shoe called The Terminator, had a big one in the 80s, Hoyas wore it. Shout out Hoya Paranoia Georgetown, Patrick Ingwent famously. But in the actual movie, The Terminator, when Kyle Reese laces up a pair of Nikes, they're actually Vandals. Oh, it was the Nike Vandals, okay. Yeah, and I and that one specific. I remember I should have put that on my list because that iconic shot of his foot lowering in the department store with the vandals on his feet, and he straps them up for the first time. Classic.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

So, where did the terminator dunk come from? That's just the name of that shoe, the Terminator Dunk. I thought it was the Terminator in the movie.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

Well, that Terminator Dunks is different. The Terminator itself is a shoe. So they have the Terminator gets associated with dunks a lot because they look just like dunks or big Nikes. If y'all remember what the big Nike was, also an 80s shoe. But yeah, the Vandal itself was the shoe that showed up in Terminator. Ironically, not the Terminator.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

And I like Terminators. I I still have a couple pairs of Terminators and uh airships, right? Like airships too.

SPEAKER_02 46:18

So this shoe, this is this is not this is a dunk. I thought this was a dunk. Fuck.

unknown 46:24

Fuck, fuck.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

Sorry, I don't know anything about sneakers. We know that's why we keep you around so we can teach you. These Johns, right? These these Johns is Terminator dunks.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

They're just Terminators, just Terminators.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

Oh, but they call these Terminator dunks, though. Like Nike even.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

I think the internet I got it wrong.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Doesn't Nike call these Terminator dunks too?

SPEAKER_03 46:45

No. No, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 46:47

I've been calling them Terminator dunks. Oh, yeah, the Nike Terminator.

SPEAKER_03 46:50

You just admitted it. You don't know nothing about sneakers.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

I don't.

SPEAKER_03 46:53

These this is a dope colorway, by the way. It's brown. I'll find that shit. I don't know. Terminator weird on feet. I like the look of Terminator, but it's like a long you know, weird shape. It's like an L. Like literally. It's just got this.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Like uh I haven't worn any of them yet, but the lows, the lows are nice. I like the lows. Yes, I have a whole bunch of lows. I wear them still a weird shape. The highs I have not tried on, even though I have like 10 pairs of them.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

But yeah, the vandals, those that that specific colorway from the Terminator, the black nylon with the silver swoosh and the white midsole. Come with me if you want to live.

SPEAKER_03 47:33

Yeah, so I have a pair. I have a pair of vandals. I have a Stussy did a collab with Nike on a pair of vandals.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

I remember those because some of them were canvas.

SPEAKER_03 47:43

Yeah, it was canvas, it's like kind of a uh purplish blue.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Didn't Supreme also a brand from the 90s, close to the 80s, but not quite, do a uh Vandal? Maybe probably I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 47:56

Oh, yeah, they did, they did, they did, they did. I think they did. Anyway, this is this is not what we're here for. Oh, I want to finish my list. My turn, my turn, my turn. You done?

SPEAKER_03 48:07

Yeah, go for it. Your turn.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

All right, so my honorable mentions is basically a top 10 on itself. Air Trainer One. I had to go there. Love that shoe now. Got a bunch of them. Um, love wearing them. Do y'all consider that a Bo Jackson shoe or a John McEnroe shoe? Trainer one? Uh, I just considered the trainer one. I mean you say Bo Jackson? I don't know. I don't I don't associate didn't he was more synonymous with the um trainer threes and beyond. But uh I mean the colorways though, like that that blue and orange one, that's like his thing, right? That was the one he wait.

SPEAKER_01 48:43

What was the he had a SE trainer, the Auburns, yeah, from his college days. Well, honor his college days, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Whatever, I don't know. But I I have those and a couple other colors that he wore. Anyway, whatever Air Trainer one, Nike Dunks, the highs and the lows, classic, you know, the college packs he was talking about, all that stuff. Beautiful shoe. Okay, I can't forget the Air Max. These are my honorable mentions, by the way, okay, because these are shoes I'd never own, but I admire. Yeah, Air Max Ones, Air Max Ones. Come on, to this day. Come on. The Avia high top, 830s and 810s, basically the same shoe. I think one was made of suede and the other one was just leather. But the Avias, I'd never had a pair, but I always envied people who did.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

Uh Scotty was also one of the best foot players. I know you guys were trying to figure out who balled and Scotty.

SPEAKER_02 49:27

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 49:28

Before his Nike days, and uh or after, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

Speaking of Nike, uh Nike Air Command Force, David Robinson's shoe with the fucking umbring that up when y'all were talking about pumps.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Yeah, that was like Nike's answer to the pump. Yeah, but I knew you guys were gonna get to it.

SPEAKER_02 49:47

It came with a it came with a fucking like what was it, a air tank or some shit like that. You go to the door there. That motion was crazy. Pause. Uh so yeah, it came with the OG. Yeah, it came with like this thing that had a metal canister with nitrogen or some shit in it. And you this is the original one. Now I know they came out with later iterations that didn't have all this shit, but the original came in this huge box. Drew, you remember this? Like you go into the command force or the air pressure? The command force, I think it's the command force. Oh, that's not the air. It might be the air pressure with maybe I'm bugging then. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Yeah, the air pressure came in as that case, and it also had a little node that you attached to the tongue or the back heel. I meant is are you okay?

SPEAKER_02 50:35

We need to Google this because I thought it was the command force that did all that.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

Command force had like manual pump. That's the Billy Hoyles, white men can't jump.

SPEAKER_03 50:42

That's what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Wait, and the air pressure had a had the canister because they retrown in the 2010s, and people went crazy for them until they hit outlets and they hunt it. Yeah, because they have the big thing in the back on the top part of the yeah, that's the air command collar. Well, pull it up, pull up air pressure. I promise we'll be talking about the air pressure.

SPEAKER_02 51:06

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's the gray one. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 51:09

Who wore these?

SPEAKER_02 51:10

Uh Ridley as a fuck.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

I didn't wear, I didn't have those.

SPEAKER_02 51:19

The other one had the pre the pump thing too. But the guy's got a definitely had the pump.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

I would totally step out in those today. These look like the back to the future shoe.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

They're just they remind me of the alien stompers from the alien.

SPEAKER_02 51:34

So, and this one came with the canister then. Okay, I thought that I thought this was the original command force.

SPEAKER_03 51:39

Okay, yeah, because literally it's got this huge valve in the in the collar. Okay. It's crazy. Which is probably metal valves, weigh your ass down. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

The command force had a thing in the back too. See? Oh, that's just like a heel tab. All right, I always thought that was like to oh no, see, yeah, right there. It's got the the You can't see anything.

SPEAKER_03 52:00

You got it on the small screen.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

My bad.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

Okay, so this had I had that retro, so maybe the retro it didn't do anything.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

This is the one you hooked the pump up to and it pumped up the shoe. Because it only had it around the collar.

SPEAKER_03 52:16

Yeah, the other one, like if you pull up the other one, it's got this, it literally looks like uh an electrical outlet. It's got this big metal plug in it.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

Oh, yeah, let me see. Command, that's the uh air pressure. Okay, so I thought that the air pressure was the probably won't show it on stock, like you might have the Google image. No, it they have air pressure Nike. Let me see. Here it's the third. Here it is.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

I got it, I got it. This has a 360 view. Yeah, but it's not gonna show what it comes in. Like the box itself was like a part of the system, too. Came in this big clear case.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

Oh, I know, I know. I've seen it in the shoe store. This is what I thought was their command. All right, whatever. Mr. Mr.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

List and don't know what the hell you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

I don't know what I'm talking about. Thank you, man. Making my uh these are fading memories now. Live guarantee. Okay, now going with the pumps, the rebock pump with the blow-up bladder, blah blah blah. Uh Jordan 3, Jordan 1. I skipped the Jordan 2. I didn't want I didn't put that on my list, and then Nike Air Force One, so iconic. That started sneaker culture, in my opinion, from the documentaries I've watched on sneaker culture.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

Like Air Force Ones were like at least in New York, the stars definitely call it the grandfather of retroing because like when Cinderella Sports in Baltimore and DTLR was like calling Nike, like, hey, we need this shoot back. In the 80s, Nike was like, We're on the Air Force Two, Air Force Three. The concept of bringing back a model that had finished this production cycle, yeah, was crazy. Like, people don't realize when Jordans first started retrowing, it was 94, 95-ish, and those stunk. Yeah, nobody wanted the retro, no one wanted it until the 2000s. Like, we didn't see Jordan 1s after 94-95 until 2001. Yeah, and I'm I think that's when they came back with the Jordan 4s. Yeah, that's what rappers started wearing the 2010s.

SPEAKER_03 54:13

I think the Sheltos, the superstars, started the sneaker craze because as soon as Run DMC stepped out on stage in them freaking Sheltoes with no lace, everybody was rocking that trend, and everybody was getting their hands on Sheltos. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_02 54:28

Exactly. That's that's not sneaker cult. That's a trend. See that that nobody like when Sheltos were done, they were done in a sense. It was so synonymous with them as a rap group, but did did it resonate into culture outside of hip hop? Not really.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

That's why I was careful. I chose my words, and I said Air Force One started at least the retro, like bring them back.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

So yeah, and that's that's what I'm saying. Because people used to think about this, and again, watching, I guess we saw the same documentary, Kari, that because you the quote that you said about it.

SPEAKER_01 55:02

Like he at the time, Air Force was celebrating their it was a milestone anniversary year, and it was a five or the zero. So we were flooding the streets at events with the history of the Air Force One, going to different spots in Baltimore, talking about it, and watching Docs, and yeah, and I drank a lot of Duce on one of those nights. So I definitely remember that time.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

But yeah, there was a documentary that quote you said about the the shoe and store in Baltimore is directly from that movie that I saw. Uh about the and they were talking about how the retro culture started with the Air Force One, and then they brought Bobito Garcia out. So when Bobito speaks, I listen.

SPEAKER_01 55:40

Well, it's good to listen to somebody.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

I know, right?

SPEAKER_01 55:42

We should get Bobito.

SPEAKER_02 55:44

But I get I get maybe I know, but um, but nah, I get like I I I I kind of agree that maybe that started like Adidas into that whole like people collecting different ones, but the shelter was a shelter, it's not like they had different colors and different, you know what I mean? They have different iterations that made people be like, Yeah, I need that. You know what I mean? So there was no high top, there was no low top, it was just a low top or whatever. Maybe they were high top, but it's gross. Yeah, I know. I've seen it anyway. Um, my list, my list is my list, and I'll run through it. Uh, I don't okay, anyway. Um, the feel of tennis. I think that was one of the first shoes I ever got. Like my so my parents always bought me plain old white shoes, so you're gonna hear a lot of random, but they were always a white shoe. I didn't have much color in my life as far as on my feet. So, yeah, I know, right? Um, so feel of tennis. I had white on whites, easy, comfortable shoes. Is that 80s though? It was tennis. I think that was 85. Let me go look it up. Uh I think this list, brother. Uh, what year did it come out? Oh 73. What the fuck? Okay, oh, even older. Lord, why did it say when I googled it to see if it can for expansion of the performance? Okay, I'm wrong. It my list just started off all fucked. Thanks, Drew. Okay, I'll take that off my list. So I have a top nine.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

I'm saving you it from the comments.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

All right, I have a top nine. All right, there's no comments on these videos. Jesus. Oh, and I put I put Chuck Taylor's on here, too. Okay, never mind.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

Oh, you know, that's not from the that's that came out of 1920.

SPEAKER_02 57:22

Okay, let's start over. Reebok Club C's. I had Rebock Club C's. That can came out in the 80s, right? You could agree on that. I guess all right. White and whites. I remember those because they were I had a suede ones, I believe. And then I bought some Club C's. Uh the Pleasures um collab with Club C a few years ago, like probably 2000, 2020, 2020, 2021. Beautiful shoe. I have to find it. I should wear that. Uh Pony City Wings, their basketball shoe. You guys ever have?

unknown 57:53

Pony.

SPEAKER_02 57:54

Beautiful. I never had them. I had a pony velore suit too in 2003. Amazing. Straight up Mac.

unknown 58:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:01

Yeah, that's pretty cool. Adidas campuses. Those are in the 80s, right? That's an 80s shoe, right? Campus 80.

SPEAKER_03 58:07

Yeah. Uh the the campuses came out in 87. Or the campus two came out in 87. I don't know when the original campus dropped, but I think you're in the still in the 80s.

SPEAKER_02 58:16

Yeah. Thank you. Reebok phase ones. Again, another like whatever my mom saw that looked like the club season, the phase one, same shoe to me. Like it looks like never heard of that one. It's just it's just a regular ass Reebok shoe that was in the 80s. It was pretty popular. Then I got a little stylish. My mom bought me my first air bubble exposed shoe, the Nike Air Flight 89s. Which I now it's a fake Air Jordan 3, right? But that shoe was like the shit. I wore the shit out of those things. I love them.

SPEAKER_01 58:47

I'm surprised. A lot of people consider that a takedown, but I watched a sneaker history video. It actually came out before the flagship Jordan model that year. So I think it was Flight 89, then the Jordan 4 came out.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Yeah. But I think the Flight 89, um, a lot of players wore those, like Pippin and everybody. Yeah, it was it was on court a lot. Yeah. All right, one of my favorites. And then and then the LA Gear Regulator pump. Again, I couldn't get the regular pump, so I had to wear these, and we're here now. Oh, the Adidas Shelto. I just took some shots. J Fixing the record. Because I mean, you can see you can say trends started sneak, they made sneaker culture, but I think sneakers were a thing, but not like the thing that we think it is now or we take it as now, right? As far as sneaker culture.

SPEAKER_03 59:39

What's the first thing you think of when you think of run DMC?

SPEAKER_01 59:43

See, now I would have accepted the idea of Adidas because we've been talking about this all along. Well, but if you think about like if you're talking about sneakers, yeah, Adidas.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

So everyone's texting in the bathtub. Well, I mean, I cannot see that, man. Well, I'm so but but we're specifically talking about what starts started sneaker culture. I don't think that necessarily started, it was a trend that was in the culture because that like if that was the case, then everybody now to this day would be wearing Adida Shell Toes with no laces in them. Nobody wears Adida Shell Toes with no laces, nor do they wear Adidas Sheltos, period. Oh, I still wear sheltes on your chip.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:22

People still wear sheltos.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:24

I don't know what country they in.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

America.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:30

Where?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

I have the Willie, uh whole Shavaria collection just sold out. You wear them? I wear my Sheltos, yes. It's my favorite silhouette. Oh, that's why he's biased.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:42

Willis Chavaria's collab sold out. Pharrell did a super size shell toe recently that sold out. So the current which is awesome. Spider Shell Toes that you indeed mentioned that you liked. Did they Hellstar? Did they go for those?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

Nobody likes Hellstar. Nobody goes for those now.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:00

Oh, but they sold out and they're going for bread, so you don't like them.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:03

I mean, anything go for bread if somebody's willing to pay for it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

Yeah, that means I'm just saying, I'm just saying brought attention to sneakers. I get your trend comment, but I feel like it brought a level of attention to sneakers that hadn't existed before. Shell Toes is in the pantheon of classic sneakers.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:24

So did but so did the Reebok uh whatever, the the high top with the strap that we were just talking about with the uh the aerobics classes.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

What I feel like if I'm thinking of classic Reebok mod, I'm thinking of like Club C, like you mentioned.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:39

No, but you have to think about the cultural aspect of hip-hop and sneakers. It started with run more so with run DNC than than anywhere else. So that's my point. Like the the streetwear culture came into play with sneakers when run DMC. I'm not, you know what? I'm just gonna I'm gonna bail out of this. Well, no, look, I see it now. I just I could feel the energy about to ramp up, and he was gonna just tell me I'm completely wrong. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. No one likes to do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

I'm not gonna say that. If you want to interject and call yourself that, that's fine. I agree with you that again, it's in in style and fashion, there are always trends that hit, but the way now let me just paint the picture for you. Run DMC would wear shelter Adidas with leather pants, leather blazers, a leather fedora hat or whatever, and black t-shirts. How many people were dressing like that on the streets at that time with all leather down or whatever? If you're going out, maybe if you're trying to stay, you know, style up now. Most people were wearing sweatsuits, like LL Cool J with a with a Kango hat. He did wear it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:57

No, also wearing that stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

But LL wore a lot of Nikes. LL wore Pony, LL wore troop sneakers. Like there were all different types of sneakers that were in the street wear diaspora at the time, not just Shelter Adidas that were synonymous with you know, like um hip-hop. Like, yes, uh, Brun DMC didn't mainstream it. The Shelter Adidas was popular amongst say you had little white kids wearing them, black kids, everybody was wearing them, so yeah, it crossed over in a big way, but it didn't like define the culture. I think, I think now, mind you, I wasn't in the streets at the time, nor did I know many teenagers. I would think that if it was that popular, it became kind of corny within the fashionista world, at least the street wear world, and people wore other things rather than that.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:43

Like that's like every trend, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:44

I know that's every trend, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:46

Yeah, so that's that's that's we could both be right in this, where this might have been the start of the sneaker culture, and then when Nike entered the game, the Air Force One kind of took it to the next level, right? The trend was dying out with shell toes, and then you had Nike ramping up, and you had other people now branching out, like you said, LL Cool Jay, right? Wearing different kicks. So, of course, like I think we could both be right on this to some degree.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

I think you just kind of no, no, you ex you articulated my point exactly. That's that was my point.

unknown 1:04:21

Point taken.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

That was the point of it. It was a trend that extended out into the regular culture, yeah. But it I feel like look, the shelter to me, let me put it to you this way: Mayor, Fat Joe, any Jay-Z, whoever, all these motherfuckers are still wearing Air Force Ones, and so are little white girls wearing and and little white boys, and all it's and you know, like it's sort of like how the the the the black and white dunk, you know, took over. Like the it's it's or has like become like an Air Force One. It's just become synonymous with culture, just an Air Force one. You go to the store, I need a white on white Air Force One. Everybody needs that, doesn't matter who you are, you can get away with it. Like, you just need to fucking get a white shoe, you just get an Air Force One, right? Everybody, if you if you had like a whole wall of shoes, right, and they were all white, and it was just random brands. You see, if you and they said you just pick one do you have to wear right now, you probably pick Air Force One. Most of us would my feet. What'd you say? Not if you like your feet anyway. I have my one more shoe bricks, one more shoe. It's the the one we already the van's low palm tree skate shoe. That's my favorite shoe growing up. I remember playing hide and seek. I got them dirty, and then they I rocked them dirty too. I such an iconic shoe in my life. It it introduced me to high fashion and low fashion.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:46

I'm gonna say definitely the lower end of the fashion, definitely of the low.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:49

They were canvas fans isn't quite known for their high fashion, but well, it was it was it's it's just it just was so cool to me because I was so I was so into Miami Vice and shit like that watching that show. I was like, Oh, I got palm trees on. Like Miami Vice right now. Like I thought that's the closest I get. My parents weren't letting me wear pastel fucking suits and shit, you know, like with no shirt.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:08

I begged my parents for a complete linen suit and I fucking got it. And I wore the shit out of it. I thought I like Miami Vice was a like a game changer.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:19

Did you have the shoulder pads? Of course. Everyone had shoulder pads. Shoulder pads is nasty work, man. Like I look at pictures of people with I had shoulder pads and one of them in my suits.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:28

Loafers with no socks with pants. I mean, ooh. Man, stepping out correct.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:35

Full Miami Vice. This is fun. We should have these retro episodes with sneakers more, or just turn into a retro sneaker podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:43

I just like to look at Kari's face. He's like, yo, you you are crazy. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:50

Linen suits and shoulder pads.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

You and BA Barackist and Magnum P. I was solving the case of the missing Maltese Falcon.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

Yo, the late 80s and 90s were cruel. Early nine, they were cruel. Fashion was cruel.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:07

But it was cool. Like people were like, that's when people really expressed themselves, in my opinion. People had like, you know, like Madonna. You saw some of the shit Madonna Ward, and I mean it bled into the early 90s. I think kind of leveled out. Like, where did it level out? Like with the craziness in fashion, in your opinion.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:24

I think when grunge kind of took over that whole hairband and freaking crazy fashion weird stuff that was going on, just kind of took a back seat. I don't know if it went away. Like late night back seat.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:37

To me, like the late night.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

The trend was was you know ripped jeans and and flannels.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:41

So yeah, and then and then extended out. But as we headed into the late 90s and early 2000s, because hip hop had such an influence, it kind of cleaned up a little bit. I mean, it was baggy, but it was clean. I mean, like throwback jerseys and stuff like that. But that wasn't more so I don't think that that was original. It's more like who can be like the cleanest and still have this like like a fit that that's cool. Because I I follow you you guys see that that that um that one dude who does all the retro videos, he's so funny. This this guy he he he goes in the time machine and then goes to like the wizards games and shit. You don't you don't talk about I haven't seen him, no? Oh the John Traveler. Yeah, that guy. You know what I'm talking about. The dude he has like a high-pitched voice. Yeah, and he has the do-rag on, he always pulling out his two-way pager and he's wearing like a Grant Hill jersey all the time. Like he's wearing all these bangs, it's so funny, so funny. He does all these skits like that. But like that used to be like I can't see, I think that was the peak of maybe like originality and in street or regular fashion wear, and then it kind of like by the 2010s when it got into the skinny jean era, and then the cleaner outfits, you know what I mean? And then it got, yeah, kind of pure veered on like like when uh they did like the Yeezy shit, because Yeezy always had them people dressing like homeless people and shit. But yeah, that all of that, like it it it it and then it's now now it's just more like okay, more clean aesthetic, I guess. There's nothing like um, like besides you know, like Balenciaga, like I I think it's corny when they make all those dumb, like you know, oh plastic uh handbag or whatever, like me, you know, plastic bag, handbag or whatever made out of fucking yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:29

But if if you took high fashion, right? Like Balenciaga, I'm not gonna say like the classics, like Louie, Gucci, uh Fendi. But if you made like Balenciaga affordable, would you rock it? Like if you had a pair of their runners and their runners were 200 bucks, would you rock them?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:48

Which one of the stressed ones or like a regular, like a nah?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:50

They're big ass freaking, I don't even know what the model is. Oh, the chunky looks like triple S. The triple S is yeah, whatever that I want a pair of those.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:58

I always wanted a pair, but no, I want to wear them now. I I mean that now it's like I don't want so much weight on my feet, yo. Like it's yeah, no, I feel that.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

I'm just saying, like, I feel like people I'm gonna be 50 in a few years. I don't love Balenciaga to begin with, but people trash it because it's so expensive. But if you made it affordable, would people wear it?

unknown 1:10:20

Right?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:21

I mean, look at everyone you know go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:23

No, no, no, no, sorry, finish your point. Sorry, I was uh that was my point. Oh, it was if it was it was affordable, would I wear it? Uh no, it'll be trash to be because it's just it's it's the only reason people want it is because it it is expensive, right? And that's part of the whole appeal of it because it in it's something it's something you're trying to attain that's unattainable, and then you have you know like a bunch of people want it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:50

So I don't know, and I know Kari dropped down, but that's one of the things I I miss, and maybe I'm just blind to it now, it just feels more predominant. But back in the day, like brands were different. Like you'd see rappers with an act driving an Acura, right? Acura legend, or right, like stepping out in in affordable fits that that weren't some crazy brand that would cost you know twenty-five thousand dollars and you needed a stylist.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:19

Yeah, what was that bootleg called the iRock, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:24

IROC was a Camaro, man. That was a Camaro.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:27

I was saying it looked, it wasn't like a sort of like a low-end looking Corvette.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:31

No, it wasn't like an accurate. No, it looked like a Camaro, it was the Camaro of the time. Everybody, everybody but it looked like no, I didn't think oh, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:41

I thought of maybe I'm bugging. I don't know. I don't know nothing about cars either. I know nothing about shoes, cars, no nothing, nothing, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:48

Uh but yeah, it just was the influence back then just felt different, it just felt affordable.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:55

Yeah, so there we we you it was well, carry dropped off, but it's fun having a a child here to reminisce with because um he was being he wasn't even a being conceived in the 80s and 90s, like he he was 80s. I mean, he's not even a thought, he was not even a sperm that was ready to go in his father's penis, and he's just he was like during that whole time. Jesus Christ were old.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

He might be a youngin', but man, Kari's knowledge goes deep way beyond his years.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:33

Shout out to everybody who's been like, you know, I know we're we're we're just we're just starting this off, but shout out to the YouTube people uh that have been subscribing and following on at least Instagram. Uh we don't have a TikTok page that works. I don't understand why, because I've been posting on TikTok for us and it's not working out. So we are um, you know, three this is our third episode in. So like subscribe, yeah. Let us know what you want to hear about. You know, um, it's been it's been fun doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:06

We're just getting started, man. I every time we we have an episode, I'm like, yo, we gotta talk, like we gotta talk about pagers.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:13

Oh, yeah. And I think you know, as we get, I really want to differentiate from the norm when it comes to these things because I did a lot of research. A lot of these retro things is kind of bring up the gitchy shit. Like, oh, remember when we used to fucking eat strawberry shortcake ice cream bars and and the then the ice cream man would come. Nah, we don't want to do that. You know, if we're gonna talk about you know, ice cream sandwiches and shit, we're gonna go really into like what what ice cream sandwich was you fucking with, you know what I'm saying? Did you what would you do for a Klondike bar?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:44

That's what I want to know, ladies.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:48

Or or the you know, the green MM craze. You remember that?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:52

What was that all about?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:53

That was like you were you were gonna get laid. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:56

See, I didn't even know nothing about that. Green MM's, yeah, man. Nothing about it, yeah. All the tracks, there's a whole bunch of stuff, man. Of course, I mean, like Drew's uh he knows all about the adult content, so definitely veer off into it. Told you, I was raised different, man. We talk about Italian ice, and then it's gonna be like, yo, I saw this porn with the girls dripping Italian ice all over her ass. Right. I don't know. But um yo, all right. This is um raised on rewind, episode three.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Episode three.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:30

We will holler at you later. Have a good week, people. Bye.