How To Start Your Own WWE Figure Fed

 Want to start your own WWE figure fed but don’t know where to begin? 

In this episode, MDT & WSC  break down everything you actually need to launch a wrestling figure federation — from picking your roster, to filming matches, writing promos, building storylines, and avoiding the mistakes that make most figure feds fail. 

Whether you have 10 figures or 200, this is the beginner’s guide to creating a WWE figure fed people actually want to watch. 

My Damn Toys & WSC Stage Creator break down in detail how to create your own WWE figure fed in 2026

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

What is good, everyone? Welcome into My Damn Creators episode number seven. And today is a very special episode because me and WSC, my buddy Stage Creator Nate here, we're going to be coming together and giving you the best advice possible. If you have any thoughts about starting your own Fed, if you've ever considered the idea, if you've ever ran it through your course, or maybe you're just wondering how the, you know, how the sandwich is made or how the cake is made. Today we're going to be discussing all of that and more on how to start your own WWE Action Figure Fed. Nate, how you doing?

SPEAKER_02 0:34

I'm doing great. I got my stuff for my WrestleMania arena. So we're getting that started very soon. So can't wait to do that. But yeah, we are giving you guys the masterclass today. Yeah, like you said, if you've ever thought of starting an action figure fed, if you have an action figure fed, or if you just are interested in the behind the scenes and the world of action figure fetting, this video is going to be a very interesting one.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Absolutely. And, you know, when we talk about figure fetting, of course, we know there are a lot of people out there that do their own made up feds, right? In their room or in their arenas where it's just, you know, they they maybe they jot it down on paper, maybe it's kept in a journal. They don't really share it with anybody. This isn't that's not what this is about, really. This is about creating, producing, and animating, if you will, making a YouTube channel, making content around an actual Fed and what all goes into that and all those different stages.

SPEAKER_02 1:29

Mm-hmm. Yeah, sharing your ideas to the world, letting people see your artwork in the form of action figure feding. And, you know, if you've ever wanted to book your own wrestling show or, you know, show what you can do with action figures out, give it to the world. You know, we are going to break down how you can do that in 2026.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Absolutely, man. So what we have first here is kind of just we wanted to start about why you would want to start a figure fed or why should you start a figure fed, you know, and uh we can just go back and forth on this. And I'll let you go first and then I'll just kind of go off of you. But why should somebody start a figure fed or a WWE action figure fed in 2026?

SPEAKER_02 2:10

I think it's it is a lot of work, so it's definitely something you have to consider. I think, first of all, I would not do it if you're not passionate about WWE and wrestling action figures. If you're not passionate about that, like if you're if you're trying to make money or you're trying to be a YouTuber or something, doing this is a very difficult task to try and you know accomplish making money or making a career out of it. So I wouldn't do it for those reasons. But a lot of people love this as a hobby and doing it in their spare time and getting their ideas out there with their action figures. And yeah, that's what I would suggest. Do it for fun. And hopefully, if you're successful enough at it, you can graduate and you know build something bigger with it.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Yeah, 100%. Man, I think that could really, I mean, that could be relatable to a lot of things, right? You know, yeah, when you first start off a hobby, hobbies form into, you know, maybe a second income or maybe a little side hustle as people like to call it or what have you. But trying to make things out of a career, especially right out of the gate. Now, you may be a young, very inspired creator or something like that, and you're like, no, I'm gonna make this work, and I admire the hunger. I think me and you can both attest to that, where you know, you start it and you're like, yeah, this is just what I'm gonna do, and you know, you try your best at it. I'm not saying that that's not possible. You're not saying that's not possible because you absolutely could, right? But I mean, we're both kind of living examples of that. You can make content your full thing, but starting off, it needs to be, it needs to be for the passion of it, have fun with it, you know, a creative outlet, if you will. And I think that's the best way to to really turn heads, really, you know, because if I feel like people will see straight through it if it's just for clicks, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:00

Yeah, yeah. And I think like even for like teenagers out there, I would say they're the people with the most extra time to be doing this stuff and doing it for fun. I think they could have a really good side hustler on their hands, you know, make a little extra money to pay for their figures and stuff. So I think it could be, you know, a great hobby for them. I would definitely suggest getting a real job like in your teens too, though. You want that experience. You know, I I worked at uh Kmart when I was a kid in my teens to pay my for my figures. So yeah, I think that's great to have that experience. But if you can have a side hustle doing action figure content, you know, if you're successful enough at doing it, I think that could be great for you know teenagers coming up.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

100%. Also, you know, it it also is just, you know, like if you enjoy wrestling, it's a way to kind of get the most out of your action figures or just you know, add into your wrestling fun. You know, if you're watching WWE, you're watching Raw and stuff, and I don't know, man. I mean, I think a lot of people would agree that the booking is not that great in the modern day. I mean, even not just WWE. I felt like a lot of booking creatively across the professional wrestling landscape has not been the greatest, at least recently. And I would say that, you know, action figures really allow you to be creative. They allow you to create your own matchups, they allow to, you know, maybe Will Ospreay or Kenny Omega never come to WWE. Well, in action figures, I can I can make those fantasy matchups. I can have Roman Reigns versus Kenny Omega. I can have, you know, CM Punk versus whoever. I I can do these things because they're action figures. I can create the story that I cannot see in real life or portray in real life. And that even gets into, you know, it just other other ways of creating.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

Yeah, that's the fun of it. Like taking your favorite wrestlers from AEW or any other wrestling organization and putting them in your action figure fed, creating dream matches, dream stories, you know, booking, I guess, like things you'd like to see from real wrestling in the future. So yeah, there's so much fun to be had with creating your action figure fed, but it does come with a lot of work to put that out to the world.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

Yeah, that's uh I think that's something that we're obviously going to get into in this episode. We'll break that down, of course. But I think also, you know, and I think you can attest to this 100%, is it almost gives your collection a higher purpose, a bigger purpose, right? You know, you're not just collecting to get the next thing on the shelf. You're collecting and you're adding a member to your roster. You're adding, you know, the an updated look. You're getting parts for this, or or whatever the case is. I think that it kind of gives your collection a whole new, you know, a whole new purpose. I mean, you're you're collecting for whole different reasons now instead of just, oh, I want that for my attitude era. It's like, no, I want that because I'm gonna have him invade my next show or whatever, you know?

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Yeah, I like the idea of like being creative with the figures, not just displaying them on a shelf. What can you do with these action figures and creating an action figure fed or doing any sort of content with the action figures? I think it's a really good creative outlet.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Yeah, that's that is a hundred percent a thing. And you know, I I do surgeries, I do all these different things, and we're constantly creating content, we're constantly doing things with our with our collections, and I think it makes it the most fun, you know. It really you get a whole new, you know, like yeah, I think that you know, if social media didn't exist, a lot of people probably wouldn't collect. That probably wouldn't be a thing. But I think, you know, we're we're not just buying figures for likes or something like that. Like that's just dumb, you know. Oh, look, I found the new whatever. I think that's very low-hanging fruit. I think I think what really where a lot of the fun happens, a lot of the passion comes from is creating things. And I think that's that's something I've talked about multiple times too, is with this specific my favorite thing about you know, this niche, this hobby, this collecting in general, is the creative side. I love seeing what people come up with. I love seeing customs and you know, these Frankenstein efforts, if you will, is what I like to call them where you took three figures and put them together and created this whole new look of a figure that you know nobody thought of. It's like, oh man, that's so genius. Same thing with your action figure matches or the feds or these championship belts or the even the displays. Yes, that's kind of a different thing, but I love seeing what people come up with. It's really, really not only inspiring, but I just love the the creative outlet of it. Like I love art, like we mentioned before. I I just enjoy that so much. It joy genuinely brings me joy, which is probably why I'm passionate about these things. Not only do I love wrestling and and collecting in general, but just the creative outlet that it provides is is amazing.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Yeah, just like you said before, it gives a whole another meaning to you know collecting and the action figures. I just recently did a YouTube short about making a WSC shelf for my action figure display. And yeah, just using those figures in the action figure fed and you know, making some you know meaningful storylines that are meaningful to the fans or you personally, you know, having those on the shelf, like it makes those figures more meaningful to you that you've used them in a certain way.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Oh, a hundred percent, man. That's why, you know, I have stupid figures like Little E or you know Big Torito or Bumfoot Rey Mysterio or smoking or selling cigarettes behind the gymnasium Dean Ambrose. It's like these dumb things that you know are associated with your concept. I mean, I also have you know, like Fed figures like like I call them defining moments. I think I even did a video on that before where it's like, oh, if I had a defining moments line from the Fed, you have these figures that people watched that you created from a storyline you created, an attire maybe you came up with, and you know, you've created this entire new thing out of a wrestling action figure show. It's just really wild stuff, man. It's really, I don't know, rewarding. It it it f it's very fulfilling too, I'd say.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Yeah, 100 100. You know, it is very fulfilling putting those those videos out there, those ideas and having that feedback from the audience. I think that's one of the things, you know, that everybody who does action figure fetting they love is that feedback from the audience.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Yeah, 100%. And it's not always positive, right? Like sometimes people don't like booking decisions, sometimes people don't like certain things. And I mean that's that's one way to look at it too.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

But but even if they are giving you that that negative feedback, at least they cared enough to you know give you that feedback. Because if they don't care, if they don't give you any negative feedback, you know, then they're just like, okay, I don't care. I'm I'm not watching this. But the fact that they give you any negative feedback means they want to continue watching, they want you to do better. So, you know, of course you'd want it to be positive, but yeah, you know, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

I also one little note that I wrote down right here after you know giving your collection a bigger purpose is it, you know, figure fetting also teaches you a lot of skills, like actual practical still skills that you can use in other aspects of your your life. I've written down you have you have filming, you know, we've talked about how you're basically a director at that point when you're when you're creating these. You have editing, you're learning how to edit on different things. You have writing, you're creatively writing these these storylines, you're learning how to tell stories. You're storyteller, you're you know, you're creating these things. John Cena always always says it, you know, you we we tell stories. That's what you're doing, but it's through a different medium. You're learning how to make thumbnails, you're you know, learning how to compel an audience. Like there's so many different skills that you're learning wrapped up into one thing. And it's really difficult. I mean, there you have a lot of skills there that are difficult to master. And you know, you're constantly learning, the game's constantly changing. It's a really, it's a really deep thing. You know, at the server self is like, oh, this guy's just making a video about action figures. But when you really look into it, there's so many different facets of it.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Yeah, it is it is very difficult, especially for you know, if you're just one creator, like doing all this, you wear a lot of hats and there's a lot of skills that you have to master and be good at. And we're gonna get into all the details of that in this video. But yeah, it is a lot harder than a lot of people would think.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

1000%, which takes us into, you know, uh our next kind of question or segment that we want to get into is you know, how how we started or why we started ourselves after talking about why maybe somebody else may want to start. And you want to take the reins on this, or would you like me to go first?

SPEAKER_02 12:38

You go first. Yeah, you started first, you started MDT 2017, was it? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Tell us how you all yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Yeah. So um at first, I you know, I I didn't really know what pick fedding was or what figure feds necessarily were, maybe outside of maybe some random stop motion matches in really early YouTube, you know, with like Jax figures or something like that. But, you know, you're not really thinking of them as feds, you're just kind of like, oh, this is a cool video a guy made. But in terms of, you know, I I saw other people making videos on YouTube. And so I thought to myself, oh, well, I like this, but there are some videos that are not being made. There's some things that I would like to see made. This is, you know, action figure surgery style videos. Or I don't think there was necessarily a reviewer that had the like the format that I kind of liked from reviews at the time. Felt like a lot of people were just, you know, unboxing the figure and it was what it was, or you had kind of parody style where they're not really being serious about it. It's kind of, you know, tongue-in-cheek, a lot of the different things, you know, like Grim's Toy Show or Tommy Toy Travels. Not that their videos weren't entertaining or something, it just wasn't the kind of collector focused, I guess. It was more, you know, entertainment and you know, things like that. But I wasn't seeing the videos that I specifically wanted to see. So I started just my channel and and making things. Already had an Instagram at that point. But then I had this idea of okay, I kind of want I I think it would be cool if I made my own championships and I had my own wrestling figure show. Well, then I think I don't remember who I was talking to, but there was a few people, it may have even been GCW. I don't know, I can't remember, but he's like, you know, pick feding exists, or somebody had mentioned that, or I'd seen that that term, and then I started to see other feds, and then it just led me into a thing where I'm like, this is really cool. I like the setup of it. I like how you know you have these matches and these characters, but I felt like a lot of it was missing story. I felt like it wasn't, you know, I didn't feel like I was watching Raw. I didn't feel like I was watching SmackDown. It just kind of was cool in itself, the medium that was established, but I wanted to see more. I wanted to, I wanted to actually commentate the matches. I wanted to know why these guys were fighting outside of a just text or description. I wanted to see, you know, moments like we see on TV. So I wanted a figure fed with my own custom belts and graphics and shows and draft and all these things, custom ring. I wanted all these things, but I wanted when you watch the show, I wanted it to feel like I'm watching Raw. I wanted you to have to watch weekly or watch monthly or whenever the episode came out. I wanted you to watch the story progress over time and have these moments and everything like that. And that's kind of where it started. And then we just kind of built upon that over time. And that's kind of how I started my figure fed. I just wanted, I wanted it to be a little bit more immersive. I wanted it to be deeper. I wanted to have, I didn't want to just have, oh, this is just MDT Raw or, you know, this is this is Raw, Monday Night Raw. I wanted like my own shows with graphics and titles and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Yeah, I think the reason why you were so like successful with it out of the gate is because of the uniqueness, because of the fact that you would bring your branding was great and all those custom championships going the extra mile, doing all those extra details. You really you know paved the way for everybody doing the commentary, like it was very unique. Fed would you attribute all those things that I just said as to you know why it took off as as well as it did?

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Maybe I mean that may be maybe a thing. I do appreciate the kind words though, but you know, like I remember people being really excited about the commentary edition. I remember, you know, people talking about the graphics or talking about the you know, the ring skirts and having the different ropes and just I don't know. I and probably I I want to say I made videos leading up kind of showcasing what it would be like or how these things and people are I guess it kind of anticipated the build, especially for that time period. But yeah, I I think that that and then I won't I can't remember how long I had been creating videos or making videos for the channel before I put up a Fed episode.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

I don't know how I I went back and looked and I think you started like very quickly once you started the channel. You had a couple my damn holes, and then you started the Fed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Okay. So yeah, that that is uh that was kind of the driving force, I think. You know, just those things hand in hand. I was like, okay, well, I'll make content that, you know, that other people that I want to see, but then I'll have this wrestling figure show that goes back to what we were talking about. It it's a creative outlet, it's very fun. And then, you know, the longer you go into it, the more you're like, you know, you kind of get immersed into it where you're like, okay, this is like legit, and then you really start to have fun with it. Like it's fun off rip, but then as you go, it gets even more fun. And you know, we'll get into this later, but you know, you already have what the story's supposed to plan pan out like, and you're like, I gotta tell the story that people have to see this.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. And you know, as for me, how did I start? I was very inspired by you and uh WHF Wrestling Hero Figs. You guys were killing it at the time. I was on Instagram. I started back in 2014, I was a young teenager, and you know, I went through my phase there, like daily uploading photos. I developed my like thumbnail skills, photography skills, as you would say, over on Instagram, built a good following there. And then, you know, I saw the success you guys were were having on YouTube, and I was like, man, like that's really cool. You get a much better connection with the audience doing YouTube videos rather than photos on Instagram. And I thought, you know, I could make, you know, a little bit of I thought a little bit of extra money, I guess, doing what I was already doing on Instagram because I was daily uploading, I was really enjoying making action figure content, as you will, over there. So I dabbled in, you know, doing YouTube videos. My brother was always telling me, Oh, you should do YouTube, you should do YouTube. I never really paid it any mind until you guys really paved the way over there. And then, you know, I started and I was like doing reviews and stuff. It's really hard to think of ideas and things to do on YouTube. But then, you know, I looked at, you know, what what do people enjoy most? And I saw Wrestling Hero Figs. He was doing these like hand fed matches. And at the time I wasn't like a big fan of him. I was like, uh, like, why do people like this? But then I was like, okay, maybe I could I could do that, but I could do it better, I could do it like you know, different camera angles and really put more focus on it, take it more seriously. And I started doing that, and it started taking off. People really enjoyed it, and then I took a little bit of inspiration from your monthly Battle Royals, where you had a like a championship for that. And I was like, what if I had like a weekly championship with uh with hardcore wrestling? And so I started that, and that kind of developed into a Fed, and you know, I got people invested in the characters and the story, the championship with that, and then it all just snowballed into something bigger.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

Yeah, man, it's it's really cool to hear about people's, I guess, inspirations, right? Because I mean, like what's even deeper too is you can think about how okay, I was inspired by somebody, and then you were inspired by me or somebody else, and then other people get inspired by you, or they get inspired by me, or they get inspired by that, and it's a trickle effect to where you know the next, I don't know what the next like, you know, that I could say like the next time Brady could be inspired by you, and then end up creating something we had never seen similar to, you know, what you did for the for the genre, or what I may have done, or what GCW had done, or what you know Grim had done, you know, and it just kind of things evolve over time, and it's just really I don't know, it's kind of trippy to think about that where you know a video you post could inspire the next generation, and the next generation could create things that me and you may have never even fathomed or thought of, or you know, things like that. And I think that's really cool. But yeah, man, I I've always enjoyed, I've always I've always told you this too. I've always thought that your videos were really, I don't know, they've they've always been very well made, they've always been very clean. I think you have the right approach. You know, we talk endlessly behind the scenes about this stuff, but you know, I think you deserve all the flowers. It's not, it's not sloped, it's not, you know, it's one thing if you were doing good numbers and then it's just like, oh man, I mean, yeah, it's just this clicky sh and it's you know, he's just throwing his figures around and it's whatever, but it's actually really well made and it's not garbage, it's actually really well done, and I think you deserve praise for that.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Yeah, I think yeah, it's very interesting to, you know, how you can be inspired by certain things, and you can subconsciously be inspired by things too, you know, and like not realize it, and you know, it all all comes together and you can create something great. Like I like I bet subconsciously. Consciously, like Grimm inspired me in a little way. He was doing incredible stuff too. But yeah, like you know, WAFF all the way back in 2008 when I was watching him as a kid, you know, he inspired me to make stages, and that made me stage creator. So there's a lot of inspirations out there that can, you know, you know, create, you know, great content, you know.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Yeah, it's it's actually wild that I've never I've never really like I've probably pondered that before, but yeah, that's like my name, my damn toys. People ask me where that comes from. That came from back in I think 2014. I think I started my collector. 2014. I think it was 2014 I started my collector Instagram, where you know I just started, yeah, I just started posting about, you know, um just collecting in general, whatever it was. It wasn't just wrestling, it was whatever. Like I'm really big into Dragon Ball Z, SH figure arts, as we know, or as you know. And I, you know, I was posting hauls and posting this and just kind of in the community, kind of wandering mindlessly, and we'll get back to the Fed stuff. This is just a little tangent, but I you know, I saw this, I think this guy had a name called Grown Men Toys or something. And when I started, I was on just my personal Instagram, and then when I was gonna create a collector's Instagram, I was like, okay, I I want it to like it's about toys, and I I don't want it to just have this like kiddie sort of, I don't know, I didn't want it to be, you know, viewed in this like kiddish way. I wanted to have it kind of like the ruthless aggression era. I wanted to have a little edge. I wanted to have a little bit of, oh, this is like, you know, it's not this isn't baby stuff. It's like it kind of, yeah, it's got a little edge to it. It's not, you know, like this is an adult collector kind of deal. And so I was like, yeah, my damn toys. I don't know. Kind of has a little edge to it. They're mine. I don't know. I don't, I don't I that's just the first thing I think of. I don't think I ever saw like anything else like that. I just remember that creator, Grown Men Toys. If grown men toys never made a thing, my name probably wouldn't be My Damn Toys. I was just like, Yeah, Grown Men's a little on the nose. I was like, My damn toys kind of is a little edgy. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Yeah, and it's interesting that you know our Fed names are like MDT and WSC, even though they're not really like wrestling. Yeah, that's that is funny. It's not like World Wrestling Alliance or World, you know, yeah, World Wrestling Alliance. I think I think I probably took inspiration from the fact that you are like MDT, so it'd be like WSC, even though you know, if I could go change it, I probably would make it more wrestling, you know. You have any idea, like you have anything I do, but I won't put it out there. But like I at a certain point, it's like you know, you built this following as stage creator, you're known as stage creator. I've been doing this like over 10 years. Yeah, it's too late now. Rebrand, unless I need to, like, I don't want to rebrand, you know. Yeah, no reason. Well, you used to be WWE stage creator. I used to be WWE. I don't think a lot of people remember, but I was WWE stage creator. I was on Instagram WWE underscore stage underscore creator. Which is why do I need the underscores?

SPEAKER_00 25:11

Well, see, that's another thing. I actually want to add a little tangent there. When you make an Instagram account or you make an account, never use an underscore. Get rid of the underscores. Yeah, you want to create a you want to make an actual name that has no underscores in it. That's a pro tip for you. If you're gonna be a creator online or have uh a following or whatever, not that you can't do it, not that people don't have it. I'm just telling you cut out the X's, cut out the dots, cut out the underscores. Don't do two letters in a row, you know, like MM damn toys or whatever. You want to have it one straight thing is what I would I would suggest. Don't you agree?

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Yeah, and getting into the topic of like creating a Fed name, I guess. Like, don't put WWE in your name or AEW or anything, like because I had WWE, I was WWE Stage Creator, WSC, and at a certain point, like, you know, as a business, like you gotta do all the you know government stuff, and you can't have WWE in the name, so I had to change it to WSC stage creator. So yeah, so don't put WWE or any other company in your name.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Yeah, dude. You want to keep it. I would I would have said that anyway, but yes, there are yeah, you don't wanna be associated with other brand, man. You want to make your own brand, make your own branding. That was a big thing for me when I started. I wanted my own branding, I didn't want Raw, I didn't want SmackDown. Make your own shows, man. Do things creatively, think outside the box, don't do things like take inspiration from other things, but don't copy exactly what they do there. But I guess this can take us into the next thing is you know, mistakes beginners make. And that I think is a really big mistake. You know, they're not really thinking about the name too much, they're just kind of and I I don't think we would say you need to spend a whole enormous amount of time on this, but you know, take something creative, think on it a little bit, and come up with some sort of name here. But mistakes beginners make. Do you want to talk about some of the mistakes that you see or you know, maybe some beginner mistakes, or would you like me to get into it? Well, you you can start off. Okay. Well, I think that the biggest mistake people make is I think they underestimate the workload that goes into feding in general. And that that would even go for just content in general, but especially with fedding, as you know, very long hours, it's a lot of work from the thought in your head, I want to create a Fed to actually pressing the upload button and having a fully fleshed out episode or match. Is there's so much that goes into that timeline between those two points. And I think that when people start out, they need to understand that it is, you know, it's kind of uh it's it's definitely a learning curve. There's a grind to it. It's you know, it's not just overnight. You you have to put one foot in front of the other over time and and and complete that process, but it's uh it's a lot of work, and I think people underestimate the workload, especially in the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Yeah, they definitely do. Yeah, it is a lot of work. Obviously, I think like as you get better, you start to add more things and more details. So it does take longer when you do that. You add a new element, it takes longer to produce. So I think as you start out, like you'll have more energy and you'll be, you know, getting these things out more and you'll have you'll be more motivated. But yeah, it definitely takes longer than you'd probably expect. I've had so many times where I estimate, okay, this is gonna take this long, but it it takes way longer. Like I'm setting up this WrestleMania arena, I just got the crowd and stuff. It's probably gonna take me way longer to set that up than than I expect. I spent like a whole day doing the the stage platform. Like I thought, okay, maybe it'll take half a day. It took way longer than that doing little things like that. And that's not even the filming of the match. So yeah, it 100% it takes a lot of time to you know create all this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Yeah, that's another thing, too, is it goes back to our point of you're like a one-man show, unless you have a brother that lives with you, or you know, you have a roommate or something like that, man. It's so much you have to legitimately micromanage every single aspect. And so there's that's a lot of work. You know, you are the director, filmer, creator, writer, filmer, commentator, etc. So it all adds up, man. It's it's it's a lot of work. There are a lot of hats that you have to wear. I think another thing that kind of goes with that is just being burnt out immediately. They kind of underestimate the workload and then they do one show, one event, one match, and then they're like, Yeah, bro, no shot. That's that was a little bit too much for me. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yeah, burnout's a thing that a lot of people experience. I've kind of experienced it. You know, at a at a certain point, it was I never experienced it really when it wasn't, you know, my full-time like career. But yeah, once you once you're not getting the results as quickly as you want, or like, you know, things take longer than expected, it can really drain your energy and and burn you out. And sometimes if you're doing the same sort of thing for a long time, you know, it can burn you out. You can get a little bored, I guess. I'm not maybe not bored, but like kind of just it's repetitive, so you get kind of tired out by it. But yeah, burnout's uh a serious thing. And it's probably not just you know action figure fetting, it's probably all walks of life and other hobbies and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Yeah, that's that's absolutely true. I think you do experience that in probably every creative medium, especially if you're a workhorse and you're constantly creating things and you're constantly doing that. And I think the best solve for that is to a start smaller. I would, I would not have this grand project, whatever. I would start very minimal and baseline and then build from there. And also with that, I would not ever, I think this is the number one rule of fetting, do not ever give yourself a deadline because you will almost, you know, especially if you put a lot of pressure on yourself and then you have an audience that's waiting on this thing, and then you give yourself a deadline, and then you're like, oh my God, I have this has to be done in four days, and I'm not even close, and you're up all night editing, filming, and it's it can be, I know you've been there. There's no way you haven't been there before. Have you ever seen that? It's awful.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Yeah, I used to like, you know, set dates and advertise like, okay, this time, or a premiere live premiere, but you know, I've recently in the past like couple of years, I've had some deadlines that I've missed and I felt really bad about it. It's like I'm I got a deadline like at 10 p.m. at night or something, and it's 7 p.m. and I'm like still working on the edits, or like I've just finishing up my commentary, and like it's just things take way longer than expected, and then you know, things don't come out. So yeah, I I would refrain from setting a date unless you have the video ready to go, or you've given yourself like enough time to really tell people, okay, it's coming out this time, this day. But yeah, it it sucks when you miss a deadline.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

I think another, I think another mistake that a lot of beginners make is they think that they need this grand project. They need, you know, they need the stage, the ring, the arena, the lighting, the every single aspect. And I need 200 guys on my roster, and they get really excited in the thought process of you know creating it instead of just working with what they have for now. And I think that does happen a whole ton. I've even been there before because I know because I've been there, right? You you want it perf you want it perfect, and so it creates this stall, it creates this uh what's the word I'm looking for? Pro like per perfection procrastination, something like that. And so you're you know, you're you're trying to do way too much at once instead of just slowing down and taking what you have in front of you and working through that, you're trying to do this whole grand project right off rip.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Yeah, I think I think the production side of things, it does need to be kind of at a certain level if you're trying to get people invested in you know what you're doing. But yeah, you should, I think just start, you know, just do something, film something, you know, and especially you're not gonna be like good right away, so you need those reps. So I'd say just start.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Yeah, I think that's a good point, especially about the reps. I think that goes with everything, but I would say smaller roster is better, especially right off the rip. Like you haven't started anything, you haven't done anything. I think, you know, going with it, and we'll get into more details of that in just a minute. But I think that, yeah, that's some of the mistakes that beginners make. One little one that I want to add in here before we move on is I think people give up after maybe their expectations aren't met. You know, maybe they have these expectations of of what to expect or the result or whatever, and maybe it doesn't hit that criteria, and so they just give up and throw in the towel. And because of the workload that it takes, that disappointment is probably a little bit too much for them, and so they they back out. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 34:18

I think, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of you know, I guess teens, you know, who do this as a hobby and then like real life hits them, and it's like, I can't be spending all these hours doing this, you know, and then they quit, you know, and that's just how it is, and that's fine, that's normal, you know. And like if you're an adult doing this, uh you gotta balance, you gotta live, you gotta make money, you gotta go, if you got a job, you gotta go to that job. And you know, the you got a family to deal with. There's so many things that you gotta juggle doing this, and this thing takes a lot of time. So it's understandable that people would quit at a certain point. But yeah, it it it can be very discouraging if you know things don't turn out the way you want. Or I think one thing that like most fetters want is just for people to see their work, but for people to care. And you know, if they don't get that basic thing, you know, it can be very discouraging.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Yeah, we're gonna actually get into that a little bit later on how to how to write people to care or how to make people care about your booking and things like that. We're gonna get into that a little bit. But before you do that, you need to, we need to run down what you actually need to start a Fed. And we're gonna run down some of those things here. We're gonna get into a little bit details and we're gonna talk this. So, first of all, I think before you start, you're gonna need action figures, right? You're gonna need figures to start. You you gotta have a roster, you gotta you gotta have guys to get out there and put on a show. If you ain't got action figures, the Fed doesn't exist. So you want to talk a little bit about that? I I have one little caveat to add here. I would just say you don't need 200 figures. You don't need this, I would say. I mean, I could get even into detail specifically. I'd say probably eight to twelve singles, guys. That's maybe even pushing it. Like I think that's a good range to start off with. You could always expand that later, you know, if you get an influx of figures or you want to expand that roster. But I think you know, eight to twelve to start, maybe three or four tag teams at most. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Yeah, yeah. You need a couple of figures at least. You don't need a whole ton. If you're talking about like a Fed where it's like in the arena, you you need a ring, of course. It doesn't like you, if you you kind of want like some sort of real scale ring, you know, with the apron and the the turnbuckle pads, like it'd be nice, but you can start off with a basic ring. I filmed matches in basic rings and stuff, not just the basic ring itself, but like in cage matches and things like that. But yeah, you need a ring, you need you need figures. You know, I think you know, having a crowd is you know pretty basic, it like kind of essential thing you need. So you can easily get that from Wrestless Shop, or you can get it from Extreme Sets, or you can make your own.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

I had that written, I had that, I had that written down here. So I had, you know, as far as roster, like eight to twelve singles, maybe three to four tag teams, maybe an authority figure if you're gonna go for like a show type deal, you know, like maybe a Vince McMahon, an Eric Bischoff, uh, you know, an Adam Pierce, somebody to lead the show, somebody to be the talking. Or it could even be you. It could be you, you as a figure of yourself, 100%. Yeah. Um, and then, you know, you you don't need a I'll get into that later. I don't want to get into championships right this second. But yeah, a ring, preferably, probably an ultimate edition ring, maybe the main event ring from years ago with Goldberg or Jinder Mahal, maybe the the real scale ring. That's the one that I use. I do like that ring. I think proportions-wise, I really enjoy that. Maybe it doesn't have all the bells and whistles that these that these ultimate rings have nowadays, but I think it's a really good option. You can also get it pretty decent price on um wrestling superstore, I think is what it's called. Wrestling Superstore.com has a has it has a ring, and it's based on the Jax Real Scale ring. And I think that for me personally, I just like the way it looks. I also I want to give a plug here to somebody for rings, and it's I don't know, I guess the best thing you can do. I mean, there's probably multiple people that can do it now, but the guy that I get my custom ring skirts by, his name is I think his name's Nate, if I funny enough. But I think if you go on Google, it's one of those Google websites, and I think you if you Google custom WWE figure ring skirt or something like that, it should be one of the top Google links. And you can go to that website and you can order different ring uh aprons for different rings, and he has a selection there, and I want to plug that and you can put your graphic in there, tell me exactly what you want, the color, and he'll ship it to you. And it's I'm pretty sure it's fairly cheap, but that is what I've done for all my pay-per-views, MDT Live. It's also held up over time. Like my ring aprons still look pristine, and I've had them for a decade, just about. So I mean, they they really hold up. I want to give a plug to him. I didn't plan on doing that, but since we're talking about rings, and if you want to get custom graphics and stuff made, then that's a perfect option for you.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

Yeah, yeah. Good shout. And you know, WrestleSistic also makes ring aprons. I got some for for WrestleMania, worked on the design for that, and it it looks awesome. But he also, you know, I worked with WrestleMistic on making the LED ring posts that you can put onto your uh any any kind of elite scale ring, you know, to just to upgrade the look. If you re if you want to go that route, if you want to up the production, you can get your own custom logos and stuff put on there. So that's really cool. Yeah, WrestleST is is great. I work with him a lot in you know, customizing some stuff. You know, a lot of the figure community uses him. So yeah, he's got some great stuff there. But yeah, basic essential, you need a ring. You don't you probably don't need to worry about customizing it right away. But I mean, if you really want to start at like a high production, you know, a guy like MDT started right off the bat with his own branding and everything. I think that that sends a good message to the audience once they tune in, you know, they get accustomed to seeing that logo.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

I think that that's a that's a good point, too, is you know, like I don't know, especially back when I started, there were a lot of like traditional pick fedding was really, really big at the time, I'd say. You know, there was a lot of feds popping up here and there doing that traditional style. Well, when people come to your Fed, they don't want to see the same damn background and the same arena set up and the same things over and over again. They want to see something fresh and new. And so, you know, you show up with cuff custom graphics and these different things that something they hadn't seen before, that's gonna go a long way, especially right off rip. So I think, yeah, and I would always prefer things custom. I don't know if you like I feel like that's that's always a thing, you know. I'm I'm constantly having things made or branding and logos and like this LED sign back here. I just think that stuff's cool. I think having your own established, you know, branding is is important. And so I would say that that would be cool. Another thing too is with stages, I think you could probably there's so many different things you could use. You could build your own, right? You could build your own stage. You could look up a million tutorials on something like that, I'm sure, especially with TikTok nowadays. I've never I haven't looked up a TikTok stage tutorial or something, but I'm sure it's out there, right? There's got to be somebody out there doing tutorials for that. But I mean, as far as you know, you could use an old jacks one, you could use the the new Jennerina stage, the one with the black curtain. You know, you could you could get fancy with it. There's so many, there's a lot of options there for you. Get creative with it.

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Yeah, like you were saying, I really like getting my own custom look. You know, obviously you can buy this this kind of look now, but me and WrestleMistic, we designed this together initially for this to look this way, and to have my logos on there. And I've got uh a stadium crowd designed for WrestleMania, special for WrestleMania, just to go that extra mile. But yeah, I think for the stages, I know I'm stage creator, so you know, I think about this kind of deeply, but you know, I think in today's day and age, I started, you know, in with WSC, I made like my own WSC stage. I had a little bit of LED lights on there, but it was basically like a practical set. But I think in this day and age, it's more about like the production, it's about screens and lights and you know, being immersed in like you know, an entrance. And you know, if you watch WWE, you see all the all the flashing lights, you see the video graphics and stuff. I think the the basic easy thing to do if you have access to a monitor or a TV, I think that's the most basic thing you can do is use that. You can you can make a practical set and stage around that, but I think I think it's kind of important to have some sort of lighting or screen incorporated into a stage in 2026.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

Yeah, it's a good point that you add on there with lighting, because I think that in the era that we're in, unfortunately, you need to like there's some ways to be creative outside the box, and I think that adding in some sort of light where you can, using a ring light and making you need to light up the arena not only with some of these LEDs or screens, as you'd say, but you also need some lights to show on the thing. The last thing people want to see is a dark, grainy footage or dark, unless I mean that's the aesthetic of it, right? If this is a specific entrance or something, that's completely different. But for the most part, it needs to be well lit, it needs to look good on camera, it needs to have you know an immersive feel, like you stated. You don't need to have your sandwich laying in the background, I always say. You don't want to have like dirty laundry or like an old cup or something in the background. Like clean it up, make it precise, have a nice shot and arena for filming. And again, it doesn't have to be the most over. the top thing you can you know you can experiment also on extreme sets don't they have they have like the ecw version they have they have other versions of a crowd now you know back in back when I started it was everybody had the same damn background and that drove me nuts so I made my own custom one because I didn't like that look that you know that you'd see not only just from fetting but you know in the community so I think like you said there's like having the having something that people haven't seen before or doing something that that is that could only be done by you if that makes sense. It needs to look like it's your show it doesn't need to look like other people's stuff. Yeah I agree yeah yeah and a lot of people you know it's easy to you know get the a wrestlistic crowd I mean you can actually go to Wrestlistic and get your own logos and get your own color scheme but yeah you can it's you know easy to get the extreme sets basic crowd you know so it I understand the convenience and and they're kind of pricey too so I can understand you know getting the cheapest option or whatever but I mean you can even make if you have enough figures at your disposal you could just make a crowd out of figures if you have a lot of them just get some tier rises and fill it up yeah that's that's a hundred percent true and you can combine the two elements like we yeah you should you know yeah like I think that's the best look probably that's kind of the meta if you will if uh you know and I think that yeah if you have enough figures in your collection then by all means you know you can even use like other I think it works some of the time it's just you get a little wishwashy there when you mix brands but yeah I think that that's the way to go but I think the the final thing that you probably need is you're gonna need a or not the final thing but another great thing you're gonna need you're gonna need at least at least a camera phone you're gonna need an iPhone you're gonna need some sort of phone that can first of all hold all the photos or the videos you need you need a a phone that has some storage on it and you're gonna need editing software on that phone.

SPEAKER_02 46:05

Yeah and if you are doing a vid fed style and action figure setting you're gonna need a tripod I think that's very beneficial so yeah that that's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

I even you can even custom make a tripod you can you can yeah I have a I have a custom tripod I use made out of Legos and it's it's it works pretty good. I got that tip from Grim way back in the day I think you know I think I don't remember what now that you say that I think I've heard of that before but yeah that's that's awesome. Yeah I I just created I use my son's Legos built up a little thing and it just holds the phone you set it on there it's very stable and then I have this little thing that I can drag it across and it's very stable and looks clean and cut and that's something that you need to take in consideration with your camera or with your phone is you need to have good like lighting but you need to make sure this you know that this action's easy to follow you need to make it clean and concise. Again don't have your bed in the background try be creative think of cool ways that you can you know manipulate camera angles and things like this to give you know your audience the best viewing experience.

SPEAKER_02 47:11

I think that's tough for like teenagers doing it not to have their bed in the background. I was fortunate enough you know when I was like 15 doing Instagram I I had like a room a spare room where there was a bed and you know I was I was getting a a good following I guess at the time like I was approaching like 10,000 followers in like my like a year and a half into it. And my parents allowed me to like take the bed out and just have that whole room to myself. So I was lucky in that regard a lot of other people they might not be as lucky they might not have a spare room they might be in their own bedroom you know setting the soul up so it's a bit it's a bit hard for them but yeah I think do what you can to make it look as good as it can.

SPEAKER_00 47:56

That's what I would say I think that's that's kind of what we're saying right like of course everybody's starting spot is going to be a lot different you know not everybody has everything at their disposal to you know create a custom table or have the best background or have the best whatever but we're just giving you we're legitimately telling you the the steps not only that we have taken or you know just some of the experiences we've had but you know if like if you got to use VHS tapes as the barricade well then shoot just do it. You know we're not saying that that's not a viable option. We're just saying it you need to shoot it in a good way have sufficient lighting don't you know make it look like everybody else you need to think of outside the box ways to set yourself apart and create these things.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

But these are the legitimate things that we do as far as editing you know we we both use cap cut we both you know try our best to to edit on there as far as you know with that you know if as far as production you're gonna do you know if you're if you need sound effects the sound effects that we use the sound effects that you see across you know different things is going to be you know what you either have to download that or screen record it and then take the audio from those clips correct yeah you have to watch a lot of wrestling like if you you don't necessarily need like a lot of sound effects you need the basics I wanted to go the extra mile I wanted that detail so I'd watch a lot of wrestling and get sounds specifically for the wrestlers that were in the match but you don't need to necessarily go that extra mile that's just just just something I wanted to do. But yeah you need to watch watch a lot of wrestling and you know there might be some sources out there online of people posting sound effect packs that you can use you know other people probably aren't going to share sound effects they put in the hard work to find those sound effects the time the effort they're not going to just share for free so you shouldn't ask people you go there you go watch a lot of wrestling you can learn from the wrestling that you're watching and you can get some sound effects hopefully yeah so you you screen record you have to have some sort of screen recording yeah software there's a screen record app that you can get on your phone yeah you you literally start recording and then you go to YouTube and you find the video find the snippet and then cap cut allows you to extract that audio unless you just get the audio from it whatever and then you would you know you have to adjust it to that timeline.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

If you have a Mac computer right you can airdrop all your photos or files from your iPhone to that Mac computer and then you can actually download CapCut onto your desktop Mac computer and edit on there which I would probably highly recommend don't you recommend that it'd probably be a lot easier for editing like I do a lot of editing on my phone and I'm pretty decent with it now but you know those bigger projects they don't they don't load as good and you get you you run into some finicky issues there unless you're on a day if you're on a desktop it's way easier I'd say yeah so when I was starting out I edited everything on my phone on iMovie so I did I never had a MacBook until 2021.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

And so yeah I would edit everything sound effects the footage all on my phone I just got I mastered that and then I upgraded to the MacBook learned how to edit there I was using iMovie for a while it's much easier to do sound effects on the on the Mac so I would recommend if you have a a laptop or something like that you could you could use that to do your editing on it. I recently started using Cap Cut and it is great you know especially you know editing the footage and things like that. So yeah I think CapCut on the computer you can use your phone too it could be convenient to use your phone and if you've mastered that you don't want to switch up you know what you're doing. It could take time to send the footage to your to your MacBook or a laptop or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 51:57

So you could edit it on the phone if you like that but it you'll get a much better experience I feel like on a computer yeah 100% 100% that's something that you know I've like I've always been used to editing on desktop but here in recent years I've edited quite a number I mean I a lot of videos nowadays are done on the phone and so you know you kind of you pretty much get used to it. It's just it can be really finicky the screen's smaller your fingers not dragging right the you know things don't load quite right or whatever and it's really small. Being on a desktop more manpower on there it can handle it. You know there's there's lots of things there. But let's get into you know picking your roster or making a roster of characters you know I think this is probably unless you can order whoever you want it's going to be down to whoever you have right in your collection.

SPEAKER_02 52:46

Pretty much yeah it depends you know what level of collector you are you know how much you've you know invested into collecting if you have a ton of figures you know you can whittle down your options and pick the best wrestlers and the stories you want to tell and people that you think will match up best together or you might not even want a specific roster and you just bring anyone you want in. I don't necessarily have a specific roster. Now today I kind of have a loose like roster of people like okay I'm using them consistently instead of just bringing in a guy just for a match and like never using him ever again. I like to be a little more consistent now. But yeah you don't necessarily need a set roster but if you want to go like a traditional episode style it definitely helps to to whittle down like the roster and the people you want to use yeah so I even went the extra mile here and you know I've kind of written down some stuff.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

So you need you need like the face of your Fed you know maybe like your main baby face your top guy your John Cena your Cody Rhodes whatever you're gonna need a top villain you're gonna need somebody that is constantly a pain in his side you're gonna need your top villain your Thanos your Joker your you know your big guy there you're also gonna need you know maybe maybe a workhorse character somebody that you know puts on banger after banger you know guy that likes to fly around I got a wild card type character we got the the monster character which would be your Brock Lesnar something like that. We got the underdog you know guy that people love to cheer on maybe he doesn't always get the big victory but you know the fans like to cheer him on. You got tag teams and then you got your authority figure you know I think that's like the basis of a roster and then you may have one or two extra guys but you know you don't need some just ridiculous roster especially starting out yeah that's a great list.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

I think yeah you hit the nail on the head there.

SPEAKER_00 54:49

Yeah you don't need an insane roster you just need enough to put together a show yeah I would I would agree with that I think that you know that kind of takes us into booking you know how to how do we book these things where do we come up with ideas where to whatever I think that you know booking 101 how to make people care about your story how to make people care about the things that you're writing your ideas and things and I guess I can just write out what I think you know and I think that you know this is the basis of it all but at the end of the day moves are cool but moments are what people remember you know people remember those big epic moments they remember you know when so and so turned on so and so they remember this big specific moment and you know they don't always remember just the random German suplex or whatever. Now if a spot's crazy enough of course yeah they're gonna remember that but that turns into a moment of itself but I think that you know I've always had the the thought of booking in reverse and so an example of this would be okay if I know my main event you know or my whatever the pay-per-view main event is I want that to be Cody Rhodes versus Roman Reigns. I know very boring and straightforward but that's just an example if I know that that's what I want to get to take the main event and then reverse book that so take that main event and then okay how did we get here? Well this happened then this happened and then it kind of works in reverse instead of taking one thing and leading to that main event take the main event and then subtract like come back from that and the steps if that makes sense what do you think?

SPEAKER_02 56:28

Yeah I think you know as far as your booking you can book a basic wrestling show but I think it's really good if you you know are inspired by other things and you take those as inspirations and you know put them into a show like for example Joker John Moxley one of the the best things that you know I've done in WSC a lot of people feel and you know I saw that incredible Joker 2019 movie and I was going to turn him heel at that point. You know he won the championship he was the first ever champion and then he lost it and then he kind of went into a depression having losing all the time couldn't get it back finally did then he loses to his best friend because he showed him mercy and you know then he feels like an afterthought Seth comes out Roman and Seth and they're paying him no mind he he has a mental breakdown and and it it was very inspired by you know the Joker movie and I felt like those characters very much aligned in what I wanted to do and you know the mindset of the characters. So things like that I'm a big movie guy. I get inspired by a lot of things in you know movies and you just have a a I guess a creative mind and a cinematic kind of mind. I also get inspired by like things in you know my real life real life experiences this one storyline going on right now that is like inspired by you know friendships in high school and it it's really cool. It's just like any song or movie people put their real life experiences into that and you get something creative and unique out of it. So yeah I I think more than just booking wrestling and seeing what's done in wrestling you can take things from other avenues and bring them into your story.

SPEAKER_00 58:24

Yeah I 100% agree with that 100% agree with that you can look at other without directly copying you can take inspiration from other mediums and apply them to wrestling you see it all the time in real life too and so yeah like 100% take take your experiences and then apply them into your own booking you can even be inspired by something WWE does but not you know not directly copy it but maybe write that story better or maybe this could have been done better. You know there's there's probably I mean outside of a few different cases you know there I know they've done this in movies too where there's only a select few stories you can actually tell and that always fit under this specific umbrella you know there's like betrayal themes yeah betrayal you know revenge things like that. Yeah exactly and so every story pretty much fits into those categories and so you know you can re I can I wish I had the name of what that's called because you could actually that's a really starting point yeah like themes of a story yeah and so you can you can absolutely do that you know and I don't know writing what you want to see on you know you watch WWE and you're like what is this crap? They should do this you can legitimately do that before Roman Reigns turned heel before the bloodline was a faction I thought dude turn this guy heel and put him in a faction with the Usos and call him the bloodline and then by God they actually did it and it's it's just you like you know you create it yourself changed his gear changed his attitude and it I don't know that create what you would like to see in real life too you could absolutely do that and I think that also can create some really fun things yeah I think so too I think it's it's great like do what you you would like to see but it's also like sometimes there's a little bit of a problem with that because if you have a very like niche kind of interest that might not align with like what other people want to see but hopefully you there would be that overlap of like okay you would personally like to see this you think this is really cool and creative and other people really enjoy you know what you've come up with. Yeah that's that is absolutely a thing you know and you know not everybody's gonna love exactly what you write or what you book but you know hopefully the stories you're writing are compelling and the things that you're doing with your Fed are compelling and people find it interesting and that's what kind of you know that's what pe that's what makes people come back right so you know people don't care just because two figures are fighting like yes that that can obviously get curiosity clicks or you know that that's good for thumbnails and YouTube algorithms sometimes but in terms of actually developing a fan base developing people that really want to see the next plot or the next you know uh bullet point of the story or the next page the next chapter of that story you have to make them buy into these characters you have to care about these characters like why do people love Spider-Man they they bought into the character they were persuaded through the storytelling they were persuaded through the writing of the character by the portrayal of this character that made people actually give a damn about him that's how all these characters that's why people care about Shrek. That's why people care about these characters because they they they're moved by them they're moved by the story and like they emotionally invest in them.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:46

Yeah and it's not even just the character it's it's the world it's WSC it's MDT it's kind of like you know the MCU as a whole like you don't want them to just care about Spider-Man you want them to care about the whole world so that they go and see all of the movies not just specifically one.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:04

It's kind of like a a viral video like okay I got the the Spider-Man movie out that's gonna be a big box office hit but then you know Shang-Chi or something comes out and nobody really cares to see it because they don't care about the MCU as a whole you want them to care about the whole thing you know yeah that's a that's a good point right that's a good point and that also speaks to you know how well characters are written or you know like force feeding somebody into a scene that they haven't organically earned we've seen this in the past with WWE and other wrestling promotions right they just try to force them in there and the audience like you can't you can't force something on the audience or they'll make you pay for it like that that's kind of how that works right you know and sometimes that may even you've spoken about that a little bit you know you can't just I can't just book Ray Phoenix to become world champion just because I like Ray Phoenix you got like it needs to organically happen. That needs to be created through storytelling and good writing and good character portrayal. Yeah I mean even if you do do that you know it it can be difficult to get people to buy in because they have the real life perception of a certain character and it doesn't align with what you're trying to do with them and they have that perception and it just it kind of impacts what you're doing unfortunately but yeah I think you should try to tell a creative compelling you know story you know you want you you want to do things that you know have mass appeal but you also want to do something with substance I would say yeah and you don't you don't want your Fed to all be the same right you don't want them all to you know like Roman Reigns can't be the champion of every damn Fed or I mean I guess he can but it's not it's not really going to separate you you know at the time you know every the things that you know I was writing were you know they were fresh at the at the time now you know we've seen the bloodline unfold now and now it's just okay that's just what it was but in its original form that was not being done that was not a thing. So you know it was fresh it was new it was something that people bought into and then you know WWE just happened to do it later.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

I don't think they were inspired by the way I don't think they saw MDT but yeah that that's tricky because like you have these ideas of these storylines and then sometimes like because it obviously takes us a long time to to get these stories out and sometimes WWE does something very similar to you before you can even get out the story that you've been planning like six months before them. Like I some people compared you know my upper echelon story to the vision I had my story planned out six months before they even you know revealed any of that. So it's just it kind of sucks how obviously like you know you you're doing an action figure fed and whatever that's the real thing but it kind of sucks that you know they can you know have an impact and what they do has an impact on what you're doing and you know it's it's hard to get stuff out consistently.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

Yeah that's a that's a good point. There's there's times where I've panicked because like I've had and we've discussed them before there are so many ideas that I want to do that you know they're just so far out because of the work needed to get there and and it's it's difficult because I'm like damn if they do this before me it's gonna piss me off because I had that idea five years ago or six years ago. You know what I mean? It's like damn I really got to make but that also I mean that could light a fire under you too because you're like I gotta I gotta get this out but this also goes into you know I I don't know I I don't I don't really necessarily want to get all the way into how to write a promo for a character, but you know we use AI voices for this, you know, for for our characters in the modern day. Do you want to get into that portion? You want to talk a little bit about that or You know how you write your promos and versus you know, maybe what goes into that or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:05

I mean, yeah, I think it can be difficult for people to write like good dialogue. I mean, it's just something you're gonna have to learn and you know, I guess study, and you know, some people will be better at it than others, but yeah, uh I I don't really know. It just you know what I do comes natural to me, or like I I'm a big fan of film, so like I watch things and so I guess learn and pick up on things. So yeah, I don't know, you just you just have to trial and error, really.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:39

Yeah, that's a good point. You also, you know, you um I don't know, like English and writing to me, I know not everybody's like this, but I I really enjoy the writing. I enjoy doing those things and fleshing out those characters and stuff like that. And I guess if somebody isn't in tune like that or they don't enjoy that part of it, I get that would I could see where that would be kind of a barrier, but I think that's part of the fun of it is I don't know, developing these characters or writing these characters, especially if they're your own unique character or something like that, or this new gimmick that you're trying, or or something like that. I think that's really fun. But yeah, I could see where you know, writing a promo, what is there any advice that you would give? You just watch, you know, you also have to learn how these characters talk, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:23

That's what I was gonna say. It's like it's hard sometimes to think of because a lot of these characters are so unique and they have their own dialogue, like the way they kind of speak and the words they use. It's it's hard to like come up with and write for like the way specific people talk. So that that can be very difficult. But yeah, writing characters, I mean, that's that's kind of all up to you. You can be as creative as you want with it. You know, it depends if people buy into it because you know they see real life and it's like, oh, like that's unrealistic, that's not how they would be, but you know, I think take a creative risk.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:04

Well, what do you what would you say to somebody that wants to write a a promo and then they they want to go get that voice? Do you want to talk a little bit about you know how we obtain the voices?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:15

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of AI services out there. You know, I have been using 11 labs and character.ai. Uh, and I think there was like play HD at one point, but yeah, it's very it's it takes a lot longer than you'd think to get like the AI voices like as you would want them and get the the right inflection of the voices and get them to sound the right way. You have to go through a ton of generations to piece of trying to error. Yeah, Frankenstein piece something good together, and you know, sometimes it doesn't like sound exactly how you'd want it, but like you've spent like an hour or two doing this, and it's like, oh man, like I need to I need to get going on something, you know. But yeah, it can be difficult and you need to get good sample audio. You know, I might not be the best at you know sourcing all this, but what's your experience been? Because you've been using some voices for your upcoming show.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:17

Yeah, it's uh you know, finding the samples is tough depending on the character, right? You know, and it goes back to that screen recording thing, you know, you're screen recording these YouTube snippets or these clips that you find online of these characters talking, like Kevin Owens or Rob Van Damme or Roman Reigns or whoever it is, and you're going through and you're you're trying to screen record their voice so that the you know that the AI has a snippet to use. And then, like you said, going in there and tweaking, depending on what I've tried a bunch of different platforms. I feel like 11 Labs is probably the best one, but it's really difficult to, you know, it's I think it's a skill almost in itself when you're you got to use the different sliders and you're trying to figure out exactly where to put it and how to put it, and you're regenerating and things like that to to get that. And I don't think it's free, right? Those those things aren't free.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:09

No, you gotta subscribe to them. Oh, I mean, it is free, but um it like runs out, so yeah, I'm subscribed to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:17

So yeah, you you have limited credits or whatever, and so if you you use up your credits, you you have to pay for a monthly subscription. I also have a monthly subscription there to because you know you're you're you like to get it right, it is gonna be to get it right, you're probably gonna use up the free gen, you know, generations when you're trying to get the best sounding, especially like you said, in post. This is a whole nother level to it. If you're trying to get the best of the best quality for these promos, but you're gonna take the same promo that you've written and then you run it through, and then maybe it sounds good on this one, and then you tweak it, and then it sounds good on that one. You like the way he said the specific part on the third generation, uh the third time through or whatever, and then you have to go into another editing software, maybe it's Cap Cut, whatever, and then you have to piece those together to get them to sound exactly right.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:10

Yeah, it's honestly like my least favorite aspect of fetting is like getting the AI voices. It's just so I I just hate it. But if there's anyone out there who's mastered this and they think like they've got like really good voices, like let me know, hit me up in the Instagram DMs or email me or something. I'll I'll hire you, man. Like, take this off my plate.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:31

Well, then you gotta you're gonna be listening to nah. I don't like that one. I like the third one, not the second one. Uh yeah. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's that's that's just another layer of some of the things that you go through when when doing this. And I think another thing too with your writing is you know, you can have characters explain what the situation is, you know, what happened, their emotions towards a certain thing or wrestler, who they're speaking to, what do they want necessarily out of this promo and and things like that, which gets on a deeper level. But also, I think that a hard a huge part of directing too with these wrestling shows, you have promos to tell a story, but I think showing and not telling is very effective. And that also goes into film uh like films and movies and stuff like that, too, is you don't want to be super on the nose. It needs to be, and I I'm trying to think of a better way to describe this, but instead of I don't know, saying having Batista say, I'm gonna take out Triple H, you have these little things that uh let you think, oh, is this gonna happen? I really think he's gonna do it. And you have these things build up over time. Instead of him blatantly saying it, he told you through his his body language, he told you through the way that he did his matches. Like the unhinged Dean Ambrose or Joker John Moxley, like he didn't it's not like he I'm gonna become the Joker. He slowly you showed the progression over time, and that's I think that's huge when writing stories, not just in feding, but film, television, wrestling in general.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:11

Yeah, I was gonna say is like in the first years of WSC, I would use some like like real life voice clips when it would fit the situation, but I would tell the story through the the physical, the action and the body language and commentary by me and let the emotions come through there. Joker John Moxley never said a word. You know, I had like voice clips of you know John Moxley before that explaining the situation, but once it became Joker, he the story was told through the actions and through my commentary. So you don't necessarily need a whole lot of you know voice acting or anything when you're starting, but it does help if you want to tell like a story that requires you know a lot of dialogue.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:57

Yeah, 100%, 100%. I agree with you there. Let's get into titles and your show in general. You know, once you've gotten all this here, I mean, I said, unless you get this is just my notes here, you know, unless you get custom belts made, I would just start with the Mattel belts. You know, you could make custom championships. You can like I've done this on my channel, but you can take the straps of different things and then put other plates in there and make kind of some cool creative custom championships. I've I've done many, you can even go back on the channel. I think you could look up or YouTube search custom WWE figure belts you can make yourself. There's a whole series, like five episodes of where I show you belts you can make, and I think that's a good starting line if you don't want them to look identical to WWE. But you know, I think world title, tag titles, mid-card title max when you're starting off. You don't need seven championships, you don't need 20 championships, all that different stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:53

Well, yeah, it's interesting because it's like in this day and age, who's really doing you know, an episodic show with a lot of titles that's like a really big Fed. It's hard. It's hard to get people invested right out the gate with all those championships. And that's you know, when I started out, I just had to get people to be invested in the WSC Hardcore Championship, and then I would slowly add championships. But to consistently build up the equity in all those championships all at once, it's difficult.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:29

Yeah, it's not even really realistic, I don't think. You know, it's it will be it's like is it realistic? I don't even know if it's realistic. Can it happen?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:38

Maybe, but not really, because you can't put out the the amount of up output as like a WWE or anything, so yeah, it's hard. It it would be very hard, uh especially in this day and age, I guess, to establish like a Fed with a bunch of championships. But as far as championships go, yeah, I think customizing and having your own logo on there is the way I see a lot of feders use the World Heavyweight Championship. That's like the meta or the spinner championship, and they put their logo U and GCW iconic championships using that. But yeah, a lot of people use those, and I think custom championships is the way to go, I think all around. And you can even make it out of like you could print out a title and make it out of cardboard, like at the very least, you know. You could there's all sorts of ways to make custom titles, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:34

I I agree with you 100%. And I think too, you know, in 2017, 2016, 2017, there weren't no damn 3D printers out there, brother. You know, there wasn't no, you know, that that didn't exist. So, you know, you had to you had to get creative, you had to, you know, change things up. And I think that, you know, that was just the way the world. Now, now you could you could find somebody to make you a championship, you know, get the money together. You only need one copy, you don't need 20 copies. You know, you can make world champ one world championship. I'm sure it wouldn't even run you that much in the modern day. I don't think. I don't I don't think. Now I could be wrong, but you know, if you're starting a figure fed, you want the title to mean something, it's the main prize of your brand, you know, go all out. I think that I think you should go all out. I'm I tell you this, you know, you don't half ass anything, you whole ass everything. And so, and it's it comes with a bit of, you know, like it it can be taxing, it can be stressful because of that, right? You don't ever want to just put something out and put something out, whatever. Like you need to, you need to put your all into it. It needs to be something that you put a lot of effort into if you really want it to be good and matter.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:41

Yeah, I think custom, you know, it is a it's custom fed. So like having a lot of custom accessories and things like that, I think that's important. And branding is very important as well to get people to not just click into an action figure video just to see, you know, action figures fight. They want to tune into you and what you do and what your brand is.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:04

Yeah, I agree, man. I 100% agree. I think all that's absolute money. And that actually takes us into, you know, one of our last segments here before maybe a few questions, depending on what time we got. But the question is, you know, why do you think most feds fail? Why do you think that most feds or people that start out on this journey maybe quit along the way? I guess I can give my brief answer really quick. I think that, like you said, I think, I think just the stages of life and the natural sequence of of life is usually what happens, I'd say, you know. I mean, I'm sure there's people out there that, you know, if they could fed all the time, they would. But it's it's a again, it's a really big task. It's a it takes a lot of time, like we talked about beforehand. And I think that people just either, A, they grow out of the hobby or the niche, they don't collect anymore, they're not into wrestling anymore. And so the thought of, you know, figure feding just isn't something they're interested in anymore. And so they move on, or you know, they they try it once, realize the realize how tough it is, and then you know, they lose interest or whatever the case is.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:10

Yeah, it's interesting to think of like it is fun and it is great, and it's a it's a great hobby, but it's interesting to think of like can it ever really last forever unless you you are like all in and you're making a living off it? Like doing it for free, it'd be a very hard sell because there's so much work to put into it. So I understand a lot of people quitting, and you know, it it would be a real big gamble unless you have the success already to you know put your whole life into it and you know make it your career. Like it's very difficult, and you really need to grind, and you really need to you you need to be good and you need to like have that output and be consistent.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:56

Yeah, man, it's it's really one of those things that I'm trying to think. Is there anything like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:02

I mean, I'm sure there are things that are like that, but I think of in like in real life, uh like other things.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:10

I mean, like I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:11

I mean, it's kind of like playing like a professional sport, like you play golf hobby, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:16

I was gonna like people that go golfing, it's a very long, you know, strenuous game, it's very expensive, it takes a lot of time. You know, you're going out there, maybe you're not even that good, but you enjoy it, and you know, you legitimately just enjoy it. Like I enjoy hooping. I love hooping. I love going to the gym. I love I love sports in general, just playing sports, but just specifically hooping, you know, I go out, and not that I think I'm gonna be Kobe or something, like I just really enjoy playing. And so, you know, but that's a lot less like, yes, you're welcome to record.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:50

But that's the thing, like, okay, you like you like hooping, but like, okay, if you want to get really good at hooping, then it becomes a grind. Then you really uh you're hustling, you're training, and then it becomes more taxing on you.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:04

Okay, well, I was gonna I was gonna say, like, A, yes, you are correct, but I'm thinking, okay, the the entry level for that is way lower, right? Um, I can I can go buy a pair of basketball shoes. You don't even have to do that, but I get a gym membership, or I got buddies that want to go play basketball at this park that's free, whatever. Okay, that's I enjoy that activity. Well, okay, I I just have to go out there and play. It's not, you know, I need this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:34

Yeah, there's a lot more than you need to start up here, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:38

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So that's why it's very golf. That's why I try to say golf, because golf's a little bit like that. You know, you need the uh you need clubs, you gotta have, you know, this, that, and the other. I guess you don't necessarily need it, but I guess, you know, and I guess every hobby's like that. You don't have to have all these bells and whistles to start. I think a lot of people do that though, right? They go out and buy two, three hundred dollars worth of equipment and then they start this hobby for three months or a month, and then they're on to the next hobby. But I don't know. That's why I think like figure feding in general, it's like a niche within a niche within a niche. It's very, it's very crazy how like deep it can get and things like that. But it's I don't know, it's crazy. It's almost like you're I don't know, it's a very unique thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:23

I mean, yeah, and you can even take you know Trey's route. He makes you know daily content that's you know not feding, but he also does the Fed on the side as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:33

Yeah, that's man, I'm it's it's kind of and uh this goes back to the point we always make. It's very tedious every single thing that has to do with I mean, uh content creation in itself can be very tedious, but I think in this specific niche, there's just so much that goes into it. It is just it's just a really, really uh detailed and deep thing. And it's I don't know, you know, if you're making like if if you were just making content around reacting to things or something, right? Like reaction content or or something like that. You know, I'm just gonna use Moist Critical or Penguin Zero as an example. I don't know if you know who he is. Yeah, I know him. Yeah, right? Uh like he very he just sits down in front of the camera, presses record, and I'm sure there's other things that go into it, right? But it's not, you know, he has to have this figure and you know, put this piece with this piece or I know, right? Like you know, like I don't know, it's just a way, way different level of creating content versus the amalgamation of things to get it to be what it is. And I know he just shows up, like he is the content, right? But I don't know, that's just what I think of.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:49

But that goes back to what we were saying, you really have to love it because like there's so many other ways that you could make money and do stuff, but like to invest money into all this and hope that you get a return on it, you know, you have to really love it and all the hours that are put into it, you know, if you if you wanted to make it a career, like you have to really love it. And even if you're doing it as a hobby, you really have to love it because it is taxing. And if you're doing it for free, you know, which you know, that's perfectly fine and normal, but it can it can be taxing. You can get burnt out, you know, you got all these other things that you got to do in your life as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:29

Yeah, and I think, man, it's just I don't know, it's very crazy. It's very, very crazy. It's very, it's very rewarding, like we said, but yeah, it's you have to love it. You have to love it, you have to have passion for it, or you will not, you won't last the first day of filming it. You know what I mean? It's just that's just what it is, you know? And I think that it is very rewarding. It's very fun too. Like I've had a lot of fun. It can be very, very frustrating as we as we know. Figures aren't standing, they're falling, you know. Maybe it's hot in your house, maybe your back's hurting because you've been sitting on the floor filming for a long time. Anyone that's ever tried it for just a day, maybe they have all maybe they're just a collector and they're like, I'm gonna try fetting today. Just try to put together a match. You would understand how difficult it is within the first hour, within the first 10 minutes, probably, you're gonna be like, Yeah, this is tough.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:23

And like you said, like, you know, how people fail. It's like if you're starting up and you're trying to get people to care, you have to be really consistent. When I, you know, got popular, I was posting like two matches a week at least. Like I was post I was on a crazy grind getting stuff out there all the time. You know, now things take a while and I don't post as much, but back on the grind, when you're on the hustle, when you're on the grind, you really need to you really need to get it going. All right. And if you're if you really try to make a career too, like your life's on the line there, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:59

Yeah, I think that also, you know, that can provide extra motivation and and things like that too, because like you don't have a like you got to pay bills at the end of the day, right? So it's just those, you know, those different things come into effect. It's just a very, I don't know. I think that you should start off wanting to have fun with it, try it, see what you can do. You know, maybe, maybe you don't like it, it doesn't pan out. Okay, fine, whatever. Just move on, man. It's whatever. Just watch other feds or whatever if you like that, you know. It's uh it's very it's very fun, like I said, but it's also a challenge. And I I like to challenge myself though. You know, you like to, you know, attempt to do hard things. And I think you should try hard things, you know, every once in a while. Like I how that was kind of the theme of our of our Vegas trip, right? Remember what did I tell you? Don't don't seek comfort, right? Don't just seek comfort. Don't, you know, everybody else takes the escalator. Like take the stairs, take the stairs, you know. Like if you do hard things often, hard things become your normal. Like you get comfortable doing hard things, you get comfortable doing these things, and I think that's rewarding for your life, really. I know this is about figure feding, but you know, I think that that approach can be applied to anything. But yeah, I think that's all I got on that. What do you think?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:12

Yeah, in terms of how figure feds you know fail. Is that the topic?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:18

I hate to even say why do figure feds fail? I mean, I think that could be a myriad of different things. Like failure is whatever you see it as, right? Like maybe certain, you know, like, oh, I put out five shows, that's success for me, or I got a thousand views on that, that's success for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:32

But like it's not expected for everybody to like discontinue it forever. Like, that's not realistic. Correct.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:38

And that's why, like, that's probably not the right wording. Like, why do most feds fail? I think it's like, why do most of them, I guess, fizzle out, or whatever the you know, whatever term you want to use there.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:48

But you know, yeah, that's that's my take on it all.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:52

Yeah. Okay, well, uh, before we get out of here, I have a few questions here. And so I want to get into it. The first one was just About posing, you know, posing, how do you do it? How do you uh how do you navigate that? You know, maybe somebody's really bad at posing, maybe they don't know how to approach posing. What's your take on it?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:12

It's interesting because I feel like it comes sort of naturally to people. You know, some people can understand how like if you are good at playing with the figures, I feel like you'll be better at like doing all this because you know how to manipulate all the joints. And I think if you have a better, if you have a good idea of like how things look and how the you know human body moves, I think you'll have a better idea of how to to pose things. But yeah, if you need help with it, screenshot like you know, I guess the pick fed like elements of like real life wrestling, and you know, try to break that down and pose. And even if you're doing vid fed style, I think the posing there, that's how you can improve the vid fed style, make that look better, is the posing and the details that you that you do them, make them look good, make them posed well and execute it well. So, yeah, that'd be my advice.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:08

Yeah, I would all I would agree with those points. I'd also add in, you know, a tip that I had. I just have Pinto right here. I'll just use this as an example. The listeners can't see, but this is Pinta. Okay, you know, you have the head here, you have the ab crunch, you have the shoulder, and I've gone over this in multiple videos, but every joint of this figure, if you're trying to create a pose, I think moving every single joint here will create the look. You don't want that robotic, stiff look, you want it to look like it's moving, you want it to make look like it's alive, right? Especially back in the day with the traditional pick fetting, you know, you're just doing these still shots. I think that actually moving every joint that is on this figure. So move every single joint that's on here at least a little bit. So the shoulder will slightly move, the bicep cuddles slightly move, I'm bending the arm, I'm twisting the wrist, I'm hinging the wrist a little, I'm moving the head, I'm crunching the abs, I'm moving the leg up a little, I'm turning the thigh cut. You know, I think that's a good like starting point for learning how to do these things. And also observing the moves in real life, like you said. Observe what you see in real life, try to copy the sweet chin music, make it look like the sweet chin music. Google images of the sweet chin music and try to copy what that looks like. How is that guy selling that? If you're targeting the chest, have him kick him in the chest. If you were to get kicked in the chest, how would you react? Look at how people get kicked in the chest, react, you know, things like that. I think that that'd be the best solid advice for posing.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:39

Yeah, I agree. I think you have some great points there. Yeah, definitely do your research and just get a better understanding of you know how people would react to certain things and how how the body moves.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:51

Yeah, one thing it's kind of like a tattoo artist, like studying anatomy of the body, whatever, and yeah, and applying that. The next question is what our summer schedules are for fetting, or what what the I guess what we plan on getting out this summer as far as fitting. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:08

For me, you know, hopefully I get uh I might do an arena reveal this weekend potentially. I'm really stoked at how it's all turning out right now. Hopefully, I have no problems getting this crowd up. But yeah, as far as the summer, expect the full WrestleMania show to be throughout the summer. So yeah, I basically I think maybe until August probably would be realistic to get it all done. So yeah. And what about you? What do you got planned for the summer?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:38

Yeah, so for me, I I I don't know if I'll dabble in any. I know I was working on a specific, you know, action figure match that I may have even teased a little bit, and I've talked to you about it. I don't know if I'll finish that specific project just because we kind of shifted to the actual Fed, and I don't know what that'll look like in between, I guess, even though that did have some film, like it has been filmed somewhat, but I think my main focus now is just getting the original OG fed up. And my plan was to get the first episode out by June, or at least I don't know. I I wanted it to be June 1st. I don't know if that's gonna happen now because of a couple things that happened over the past weekend. As we, I don't know if you guys saw a week ago it was my birthday, and so a few days after my birthday, I was surprised by family and friends, and they had like this get together for me, and so people came in from out of town. I had no idea it was happening, and so it threw a wrench in my plans of filming those two, three days, and that set me back more than I really wanted to, but I didn't want to, you know, shut the hell up. I'm trying to film this, whatever. I wanted to, you know, they're from out of town, they drove a long way, you know. So I tried to entertain them and stuff, and you know, it is what it is. Like it sucks that I didn't get to film like I wanted to, but you know, it's life, whatever. And so I wanted to have that out by the beginning of June. And I think, you know, we're we're shooting for that. I'm still gonna try to have it up early June, is what I'm expecting. After that, I'm just getting them out as as soon as they're finished. So I will, as soon as this episode is done, I will turn my focus to the next episode. I'm not really focused on the next episode. I'm legitimately trying to process it where every day a little bit is done for that what I'm working on at that exact moment. And that's why I put that other project and some of these other things to the side because I really want to get this out. I want to see what everybody thinks of it. I want to see, you know, how that kind of flows. And yeah. So after this episode is posted, hopefully early June, then hopefully we can get another episode out, you know, in a in a quick, timely fashion right after that and just kind of keep that moment momentum going. So that's the that's the plan. So we'll we'll see what comes of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:45

Yeah, that'd be great. And you know, as far as being an action figure content creator, I don't think a lot of people realize, you know, how much work goes into it. There's a lot of you know, people who do other content like gaming or talking head videos and stuff, they I guess they would do like their schedules wouldn't be as full on as us. They film their video, send it to an editor, or edit it themselves. It's not as much work as all the things, all the hats we wear, the editing, the the planning, the scripting, the the thumbnails, the filming that takes hours upon hours. You're setting up arenas like this. There's so much stuff that goes into it. And yeah, if you're ever thinking of you know doing an action figure fed and making a living off it, having it as a side hustle or anything like that, it's you gotta really weigh up if that's kind of the life you want.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:42

Yeah, man, it's a grind, it is an absolute grind, and it's like I love it, obviously. I I wouldn't do it if I didn't love it. Like I genuinely do have a passion for it, and I love I love what you know we create and what we do, and it's but it is a grind. A lot tons of sleepless nights, sleep schedule is always crazy, like working a lot in terms of you know, again, the tediousness of it, man. Like it just takes time, it takes time to get things to look right and and everything like that. And so, yeah, man, it's it's a lot, it's a lot that goes into it. So it's it's one of those things that I don't think you really grasp until you're fully in there, especially with the ever-changing landscape of algorithms and you know, the like posting on four or five different platforms every single day. And it's just uh there's a lot that goes into that. But I guess this last I guess we already we already covered this. The last question was how do you use AI voices for feding? We kind of already went into that. So there you go. We kind of discussed that at length. So I guess that's it. Unless you have another you have another question or you have anything that you want to add in here at the end.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:52

Uh I I guess we would just I'd like to ask you if you were starting an action figure Fed in 2026, what would you do? Would you do it the same way you started? How would you go about it?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:05

If I were, if I were, let's just say, I mean, the times have changed so much, it's really difficult to say. But I think I would I would go the custom championship route. I would I would have whatever acronym or whatever the case was. I guess I feel like the best way to do it is to not just Fed. I think you know, like you don't own like that's 95% of what you do, but you also post other stuff too here and there to kind of fill the gaps and you know update people.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:36

Yeah, it's I don't I wouldn't say fortunate because like I've worked really hard to you know craft these videos, but like you do need these like big videos that people enjoy and it's like evergreen content for people to to go watch and have this video library of stuff, you know, it it's kind of unrealistic. It's hard, it's very hard to just do it action figure fed and you know make a living off it. So yeah, what you do with the the daily action figure content, if you can do that and fed, that would be a great idea too.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:10

Yeah, so that's what I was kind of explaining, is like times are just so much different. But I think I would probably develop some sort of branding. I would have custom things, I would set myself apart in that way, whatever way that I could, you know, whether that be with my graphics or my setup or something that would make me stand out. And then I would I think start smaller, have like the essentials, do my due diligence and studying, you know. We've kind of told you here what like the rings we use and the ring skirts and you know, get those things planned. And then I might would start off, I don't know, just something that would hook people in. I think you know, me and you developed an an Instagram following before starting a channel. Maybe that'd be a good avenue.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:58

Build up a following on Instagram, doing maybe certain trends and following certain things, and then launch a channel off of that, or maybe I feel like the algorithm today is really helping smaller creators like get views and stuff. So if you have all the right things, if you have good enough content, if you have good ideas and thumbnails, I think in this day and age it'd be way easier for people to get up off the ground with a channel.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:25

Yeah, I was gonna say, you know, you could probably develop an Instagram following first or a TikTok. Yeah, that'd be that'd be TikTok. You could blow up overnight the way that TikTok works. And so, you know, be consistent on probably one of those and then launch it off the back of that and have people buy in. It's it's really difficult, man, because times have changed so much. Like me and you started 10 years ago, like we we've been in it a very long time, and so we've kind of seen the landscape change in a lot of different ways, you know. And I it's like it's almost you know, it's so competitive nowadays, even in these uh in these niches, uh, you know, and our niche is very small and it's very, you know, it's like its own thing. But uh yeah, it seems like every day there seems to be some new creator with with some crazy new idea, and it's you know, you gotta set yourself apart.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:21

Yeah, it it's it's difficult because like you know, if you do something successful, like people will jump on that and do that. And you know, if the more things are the same, it's gonna like dilute the success of it all. And like if everyone's doing the same thing, like I guess the multiverse, right? Like I started the multiverse and then people do the multiverse. Obviously, like I started the idea, I wouldn't necessarily want other people to be doing that, but like people are gonna do it because in their best interest to do it. But like now, now that that's kind of like easier for I guess younger people or people trying to get their channels up off the ground to you know get success in there because it's hard to you know set up a good arena and production, it's even harder to film in ring, you know, it's easier when you're not between ropes. So to do those kinds of things, it's easier for people, but then it's also gonna kind of you know ruin it for everybody at a certain point, and it's just gonna be too much of the same. But but yeah, I would say like be unique and you know, try to separate yourself from people.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:33

Yeah, I would I would agree there. I would agree. It's it's just again, it's just one of those really unique, crazy things that doesn't have a lot to compare itself to. You know, it's uh it's a very niche thing and it's requires a whole bunch of different elements. And I mean, I guess if you were just gonna do a regular, a lot of these same things would apply, even if it were just a traditional pick fed, in my opinion. You know, it it remove a lot of different steps, especially if you were just doing music. But I think that that's a really that would be a really difficult thing to to get off the ground. But if it's just something you want to try, just to, you know, see if you could do it or whatever, maybe that may be a thing. But I think I would try just a a standard video style match first and then see where that can go.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:22

Yeah. Yeah, again, like you really have to love it to to dedicate the time, but you also might just want to be uh a content creator doing other action figure stuff, and that might be something that people are interested in as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:36

Yeah, a thousand percent. I think that a lot of kids nowadays, that's like the number one job, right? People say they want to be a content creator, they want to be a YouTuber. That's been like the last you know, little bit. A lot of people say that. So yeah, it's uh yeah, it's crazy, man. But I think that's all I think that's all I got for today, man. I hope that I hope that we answered a lot of the questions that people have. If we didn't, please chime in down in the in the comment section below. And we probably should have plugged this at the beginning of the episode. But if we can get a certain amount of likes, you have a like number in mind, we will book a Fed from scratch together on an episode. If anybody is interested in that, maybe let us know down.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:19

What kind of likes? How many likes we think in the 500 likes? Obviously, 500 likes. 500 likes. If you can get it to 500 likes, we will we will do what he said. We'll book uh is it a Fed episode or is it a Fed or what do we book?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:35

Book book a Fed from scratch, I guess. So maybe that would look like you know creating it in terms of like we're not gonna actually create it, just putting it out there. I don't know, maybe one day in the future, who knows? But I'm saying book a Fed from scratch. So we'll come up with you know a name, we'll come up with you know colors and whatever, and maybe shoot, we may even get into graphics and stuff. I don't know, but we'll create a roster, we'll have a you know a show, and we'll tell you our program and how we're gonna book the show through the first pay-per-view or something like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:08

All right, get us to 500 likes. But yeah, this has been a masterclass on action figure fetting. Hope you guys got a lot of value out of it. I think there's a lot of good nuggets of information in here so you can come back and listen to this over time and you know get something new out of it every time. But yeah, I think we talked about a lot of really interesting topics here.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:30

Yeah, I agree. It was a lot of fun. I always like getting into it. It's just such a unique thing and special thing that you know that we've had the privilege and the blessing of getting into. And it's been a lot of fun, it's a lot of work, and it's it's just it's very rewarding too. But hope you guys did enjoy that episode again. Let us know questions, comments, concerns down in the comment section below, man. But we appreciate you so much. That's all I got. You got anything else you want to add? No, that's all that's all I got. All right, man. Thank you guys so much for watching. I don't know what I just said, but thank you guys so very much for watching. We will see you on the next episode. Have a blessed one.