Fixing Gravity, Body Image in the Instagram Era & the May Lineup We've Been Waiting For

Fresh off a blepharoplasty (aka a bleph) and looking a little bit like Zorro, Erin arrives ready for a full show-and-tell. What starts as a reveal turns into a candid conversation about cosmetic procedures, body image, and whether Instagram has completely distorted the way we see ourselves. Clare finally tells the dog story — including Dad’s deal, the puppy that never came, and the negotiation tactic only an older sister could finagle. The May book lineup gets its moment, Clare’s LA trip is thoroughly dissected, and the shared-calendar phase of her relationship is officially confirmed. Plus: TBLs, side hustles, and an introvert identity crisis.

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Annabelle Monaghan — Dolly All the Time — May 2026.

R.S. Grey — Our Secret Summer — out May 5. 

Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey fam, welcome to Relative Chaos. We're five sisters spanning every stage of life, having the honest, unfiltered conversations that only happen when you've known each other since the beginning. So call your sisters. We need to discuss. Hey, sisters. Hey sisters. Wow. Aaron. Aaron. It's so good to see her. Is it good? Is it good to see her?

SPEAKER_02 0:25

Is it visually? No, but it's just nice to be in her presence. Do you want to see my eyes? I do.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

You look like Zoro. Can you do like a girl Zorro?

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Can I get a warning about how graphic it is, though? Because I'm really not good with this stuff.

Show & Tell: Bleph Edition

SPEAKER_01 0:39

All right, trigger warning for anyone watching.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

Yeah, trigger warning if it was.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Can I tell you what got genuinely nauseous the one she said? Oh wow. It's not that. Oh, you look like you got into a but it's getting worse.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Like this didn't hurt. I woke up with this morning, then this is starting. So I'll help you. Does it hurt tomorrow? No, it doesn't hurt. Are you just like if you really want to no, it just itches a little bit and it's slight stinging, but very manageable. And I would just say generally, if others are better about icing than I have been, I'm sure you could mitigate the bruising.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Okay. So for people who are confused why your eyes are covered in bruises, maybe you can explain what did you do this week?

SPEAKER_00 1:20

I had a procedure to fix gravity, as I told my children. It's known as a blef. Oh, I thought it was a blef. But it's basically if you have like saggy, droopy eyelids, they like cut out some of your skin and make you look more youthful and awake, which obviously I need help.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Did you do the upper and the lower?

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Just the upper? No, no, no, just the upper. The lower you have to go under for, the upper you don't. Maybe you just put your eye mask back on.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Yeah. But it's a blef, blefferoplasty. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Oh. Okay. Okay. Oh pressed you.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

That's a graze girl. Obviously, she knows that.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

I'm glad you can pronounce this. I can't pronounce it. But I just like the doctor's amazing. We sat and chatted in the chair for a bit. I got her whole life story, and she was cutting my eyelids open while she was chatting with me. I really wish you wouldn't say that, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

So it was no big deal. So you were awake the whole time. You were just not.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Yeah, it took 45 minutes. Could you open your eyes? It's only like you know when you were little where you pull your eyelids up over themselves?

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Yeah. Ooh. It was like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Ah. And they stayed like that? Yeah. I have a very high talent instinct since I've had contacts for like my entire life.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

You know, I gotta say, I feel like you've been the queen of always saying you're gonna do this stuff and never actually doing it. So I'm proud that you follow through. I know. No, I need to fix the rest of my face.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

It's funny, she was saying, what is your demographic? Is it more men or women? And obviously it's more women. She's but when I started this, it was like 10% men, and now it's come up to 30% men. And she's because it's a lot of older men who are working longer than they used to, and they want to look more youthful on Zooms and in meetings and all this stuff. And I gotta tell you, like, Zoom is a motivator because it is unforgiving.

SPEAKER_01 2:59

It absolutely is. Like looking at yourself on Zoom all day is brutal. Like the whole time I'm gonna do it. No, it's so bad. No, I like will as we've seen here, I hold my face up and I went like when I was getting always do that. When I was getting Botox, I went to the lady, I was like, How do we fix my face curtains? And she started dying left. She's like, face curtains? Like the jowls? The jowls. No, the jowl no the smile lines, yeah. The smile lines.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Yeah. Oh that's what did she say? When I was at the doctor yesterday, she was like, very artful filler is the only thing you really can do right now prior to a facelift. You just have a lot to look forward

Why the Bleph?

SPEAKER_00 3:36

to.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

So, Aaron, did you feel pressure to do this, or why did you do it?

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Because why did I decide to do this one? Well, A, one of my friends got it and I thought she looked really good. So that was like a good motivating factor. B, I thought it was one of the more natural things you could do. And C, I'm just starting to feel like an old bag. I'm trying to update, and I don't want to look like an old shrew through my voice.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

I just I can't take you seriously. You're reminding me of the Incredibles right now.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Oh no. Can you put on the other glasses for one second? She literally looks like Edna Mod with these other ones on. Is Edna Mode? She's Edna Mode.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Oh my hair. Oh my god. Can't do the Edna impression. Edna mode. These glasses are horrible.

SPEAKER_00 4:23

But honestly, I just why do you own those? Because I had them, the frames, and I was like, whatever. I just bought them in one of those random crew sample sales. And I was like, whatever. I need these glasses for this surgery because I can't wear my contacts. And I always only wear contacts. So I'll just never wear these in public. Are those the only pair of glasses that you own? Yeah, I didn't own glasses until three days ago. I just have never I haven't had glasses since I was 25. Can't you?

SPEAKER_01 4:48

You need to bring back the glasses.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

We don't like these. Those age you about 50 years. Yeah. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Let's go back to the Zoro mask. It's not good. Those specific ones age you, but my eye doctor tells me it's not healthy to be wearing contacts all the time like you do.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

I know. Wow, those are the same things. So you need to fix that. I know. But you know what? I went to try on glasses probably a couple months ago, and I was like, I look bad in all of these. It's not true.

SPEAKER_02 5:12

You just need the right pair. You look exactly like a librarian. Please don't misunderstand me. Glasses in general, you're coming from the OG glasses wearer, the pink Barbie glasses in the third grade. Cat yours were cute.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

But those are cute. Me and Cheryl. Actually, could not be more unflattering. Unknowingly bought the same pair of glasses. Didn't speak, didn't talk one day, just showed up, and we were like, oh, we have the same pair of glasses.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Wait, guys, you can see my ring light in the glasses.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Yeah. Can you put back on yours? Your zero mask is just better.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Okay, so I'll never wear these out in public. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

So outside of the black, are there any other like features that you have in mind?

SPEAKER_00 5:54

Oh God. Well, obviously a boob job, but I've been talking about that for 20 years. So I really need to work up the graphics.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Honestly, you've been talking about that for so long.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

I am gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

I'll do it with you.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

No, you won't, because you'll be doing it with us in September, but eventually. You know what my concern is? The downtime. There's not any downtime for this.

Cosmetic Procedures & Body Image

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Yeah. My whole thing with all this cosmetic stuff is it's very much to each their own.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

What you decide is your business, and I think our generation is much better about being less judgy than our parents' generation.

SPEAKER_02 6:31

You guys were really judgmental about my lip injections to begin with, but you came around.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Lip injections.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

I was always supportive.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

Cat was always supportive to do.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

I was always supportive. Aaron and Megan, not so much. Not so much. You know who really hates lip injections? Who? Toby.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Really? I Toby sometimes I haven't gotten lip injections in I think a year, but the last time I re-upped and I happened to be home seeing you guys, Toby looks at me, he's like, You do something in your lips again.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Okay, Dad. Thanks so much.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

I was hungover at the time too.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

When you drink, they get more swollen with time. See, my lips never bothered me until recently because apparently as you thin, they just get dehydrate. Sorry, thin. As you age, they get dehydrated. Because they're so skinny. Yeah, like that. So I'm like, I wouldn't say no to lip injections, but you just have to figure out who to go to.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Yeah, those are a tricky one.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Those are tricky. The thought of a needle in my lips makes me shiver. I almost passed out.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Oh I think the whole thing is small tweaks that make you look like you're age appropriate in aging gracefully, but look good.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Like I want to look five years younger than my age, but the glasses are doing the opposite of that. Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

I think I think when I go to LA or something, everyone looks the exact same to me in a lot of ways in terms of their aesthetic.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

I think the one thing that makes me sad for all of us now is okay. I mean, I I've had body image issues for like as long as I can remember. I don't know really that many women who don't struggle with that at some point in their lives. And if they don't, they're very lucky. And sure, Instagram has made that worse, but I think what it's made really bad is almost like face dysmorphia. Like I think there's this expectation that like even at 40, you should have flawless skin and you should look like you're 28 and all this stuff. So again, especially for those of us who are pushing 40, the elders, you start to be like super deluded about like how you should actually look.

SPEAKER_02 8:34

Yeah. 100%. I feel that way even now. I feel like it's such a mixed bag of friends who are really dipping their toes into the Botox thing, and people who are not. And I feel like you just have to decide for yourself what you're actually gonna pull the trigger on. Don't go on Instagram. That's like don't go on Instagram. My new goal for the rest of the year is delete that.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

I have a few friends who are between the ages of 37 and 41, and they haven't had Botox and they're just about to dip their toe in the water. I'm like, good for you. Good for you. Oh my god, I could not waiting it out this long. And some who are just like, I'm not doing it. I'm like, respect. No, respect to you guys, but Botox. None of them have that five Kelly forehead. I know this is what I'm confused about with Botox.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

Isn't it gonna emphasize my big ass forehead more?

SPEAKER_01 9:24

So the thing that I notice when I get Botox, it's shiny, but I revealed it. No, I can't. This is just my skincare. I know I've got some skin. You're glowing. It's the skincare. Yeah, you look perfect. No, no, I haven't, I haven't in a long time. It's definitely worn off completely, but you definitely get the shine and you can kind

Smooth Skin & the Crusty Crab

SPEAKER_01 9:48

of tell, but it's so much better because at the end of the day, for example, when you're at the office, you don't have the like crusty, crusty line bits, the crusty crab. It's just like the crusties. What are the crusties?

SPEAKER_02 10:01

The crusty crusts are just all the little crispy crusts on your face.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Oh, I love crispy bits, like the lines when your makeup grows. I have had Botox for so long, I don't remember that. Exactly. Your skin is always in better condition. Like whenever I've gotten Botox, Megan, you're always like, Your skin looks amazing. I'm like, Yeah. You have good skin and you have a good skin regimen. Like, I should probably start by consistently taking off my makeup every time at night. Sometimes I get like you do. I should just put on makeup to begin with. Sometimes I'm just like, I'm too tired, and I'm gonna use molecular water and like toilet paper to try and wipe it off quickly. You can be a crusty girl sometimes. You're a dirty gremlin. You're a dirty girl.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Can I actually say that speaking of dirty gremlins, I have to bring something up that is completely unrelated?

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Oh,

A Hamster Tangent & Clare's Dog Drama

SPEAKER_01 10:51

yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Okay, I saw this meme the other day on Instagram that was it was hilarious, but it was like when you realize that hamsters really there's no place for them to exist outside of a pet store. Have you seen that meme? Is that true? No, it's so true. It's like where else would they exist outside of a pet store?

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Actually, where can you find a hamster in in the wild? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

I just learned that you can find guinea pigs in the wild. No wow. Yeah, that's dark.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

But Jack literally yesterday was like, Mom, like we we need a pet. Can we get some hamsters? And I was like, fuck no. No, like C C and DC. Yeah. Or muffin cookies. What were the names? Cookies. CC there were two rounds. It was first cookies and cream and daisy.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Or hamsters and hamsters.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

You had hamsters?

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Yes, I'll tell you very quick side note. We had cookies and cream and daisy, and then they died. They died when we were in Antucca. They attacked each other, and dad tried to convince us that they wanted to be set free into the wild. And I believed him in Aaron's. Megan, it's a trap. Don't do it. And so I finally was like, no. I don't know if you guys weren't for this. And I don't usually have memories of when I was that young, but I have a vivid memory of being in uh the old house in Nantucket in that brick room. Yes, with the hands. And I was so small, so my head came up to the length of the table. And I remember staring at your guys' cages, and one of your hamsters had a bloody eye because they were fighting. And I was like, oh my god, that was that was the scene. I was traumatized. It was traumatized. And I remember I saw the aftermath of their brawl. Their brawl.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

I just I literally said to Jack, I was cruel. I was like, Well, we're probably never gonna get a pet unless you can all be more responsible because I'm not gonna take care of it. Okay, fair. What do you say? He was like, Okay, he's perfect. Sweet boy.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

I'd rather get a dog than a hamster.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

I'd rather get a tarantula than a hamster. I didn't go there. They're disgusting. Remember? Disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

Guys, we had leashes for our hamster, like a little harness for our hamster. I had a fish.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Yeah, that's all I got. A fish. And the fish that I got was actually a party favor. So it's not even like I got the fish. It was sort of thrust upon me.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

I have to give them credit for the moments that any animals. Yeah. Like six kids? Are you kidding? No. We should have done.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

I almost got a dog, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Yeah, but then I negotiated that was so you're watching trash.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

That was sick. That was a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

No, that was like actually. Okay, for background here, Claire was maybe not being the best student.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

I was a bad student. In my defense, I was getting diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, cut me a break with a tiny violin. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

Okay, so when were we high school? What happened? This was so yeah, and she was not performing well in school, and dad was desperate at that point. So he tried to incentivize her to do better in school by saying, if you get straight A's by the end of XYZ year, I will get you a dog.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

He never put a year on it. He said, You get straight A's in school, you'll get a dog. And it came up every year because I always had one B plus or something. And so he'd be like, Not getting that dog. He was taunting me. Clearly, never thought I could do it. And then it was my last semester of high school. And I get called into dad was like tight with our like headmaster or whatever. And she was my advisor, and she got my report card first, and she called me into her office and was like, You got a dog. And so we're in her like big office, and she conference calls dad with me standing there, and she's guess what? You're getting a dog. Silence on the other end of the phone. Dad was so pissed. And to his credit, he stuck to his word. We went to breeders, we picked out a dog, we had a date set to pick up this dog. It was really sketchy. It was at a dentist's office in like Burlington or something crazy. And the dog had a cold, so we couldn't take it home right then and there. And so we had to come back. And then she sold the dog to another family behind my back. And then I was beside myself. A little French bulldog I named Moose. And then mom and dad were like, Yeah, that's that's not gonna happen anymore. And then because I was so beside myself, Erin, who's just a businesswoman always, chimed in and was like, You should they should pay you out. You should ask them to pay you the cost of what it would have been to get a dog.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Aaron, said that's called the vet fucked.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

It was that's incredible. I was a genius. She was being an amazing older sister.

SPEAKER_01 15:34

I was like, I'm just pissed because I got like $2,500.

SPEAKER_02 15:42

I mean, that is actual crap.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

I got nothing. You should have gotten a finder's fee, some sort of commission on that.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

Commission. I probably spent it on Dunkin' Donuts. It's so sad. You know, I wasn't ready for that kind of a bonus.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

That is so messed up. I got dad seeing my report card of straight A is my senior year with one B plus, and looking first thing out of his mouth is, what's with the B plus?

SPEAKER_00 16:06

I'm like, I love our parents and they're the best, and I just can't say how amazing they are enough. However, dad is very bad at giving compliments. Oh, yeah, yeah, it's not his thing. And like I've realized as a result, I am very uncomfortable receiving compliments. And yeah, I'm not saying that, like, I'm not trying to get in my tiny violin or anything like that. I don't have any baggage around this, but like I think I could count on one hand how many times I got a compliment from dad.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

You remember in the group chat where we called him out for his toxic trait of correcting our spelling all the time? Yeah, he just went off in a funny way, but was like, oh, okay, I guess it's my toxic trait. You guys have it so hard. You have it so hard. Life is so hard.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Classic boomer. Sweet. But I told that to mom once, and she was like, No, he is. He tells other people he's proud of you.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

I'm like, I'd appreciate he's never given me more words of verbal affirmation than when uh after Kat's wedding speech. Oh, you're very good. I'm he was so proud of you. Was like so thrilled. I was I was very proud of you too. I was very proud of you. Thank you. That's very nice.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

I actually yes, retweet you you and MC crushed it. Retweet. So many people said that. But I remember the same thing after Megan's wedding. I was like so caught off guard because he was like so complimentary of the speech. And I was like, thanks.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Dad is a very good public speaker, and he feels pride when he recognizes that we're well spoken when we have moments of being well spoken.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

Yeah, he likes that, but otherwise, forget that.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

How did we get here? I had something before the guinea pigs.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

There was something circle back to um we went from blefs to to Botox to hamsters to here. What was the in-between Botox and hamsters? Oh, Instagram giving us complexes? No Aaron. No. No. I'm so sorry. I got messed to here.

How Many Unread Texts?

SPEAKER_00 18:09

But you know what though? I want to bring it back. I want to hear about how your trip was to visit.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Yeah, Claire's been going on these little jaunts, and I have to say she leaves for the week going to LA, and it's not like getting like a nice little check-in here and there. How are things going? It's complete radio silence. Yeah, all of a sudden she gets up and gets a boyfriend. Not a word.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

I go very I go dark. So dark. I think it's because I am so online sometimes here in New York that when I go there, I'm like, I don't want to be on my phone, especially because being in a long distance relationship, you have your phone is your lifeline. So I'm like, I don't want my phone anywhere near me. Very fair. Then again, I kind of am on my phone. I'm just not really reading the chats. So I'll get better about that.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

You're reading them and ignoring us.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

No, a lot of times I just don't read. Sometimes I'll check in and make sure no one's calling upon me.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

But yeah. On that quick note, I just need to say that I actually cannot believe when anybody has read receipt. That would be an absolute recipe for disaster.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Oh, yeah for me. I can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

If I had a read receipt, I could never how many unread text messages does everyone have right now?

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Oh 216. Okay, so let's guess. Let's guess how many unread text messages. Megan, that's psychotic. Wait, unread. You got zero. Usually, yes, but no. I've three, but if it's any consolation, two of them were in the last 30 minutes while we were on this call. Aaron, can you see your phone?

SPEAKER_00 19:39

No, not really. So I had to look really close, but I can tell you 228. Guys, what in God's name?

SPEAKER_02 19:46

Okay, I really thought this was only a me problem.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

I get a lot of spam.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

I just recently cleaned up and I'm at 53, which is low for me.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

I gotta call it. Guys, holy Toledo.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

I mean, you don't even want to know how many emails I have. Oh no, that's you gotta stand.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Oh, I can't handle an email inbox with I think we need to be more adult pro Max in this category. We do.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Okay, on the adult pro Max, I just I need to clear Toby's name a little bit and say that he has been very pro Max in terms of putting our kids to bed lately. I'm proud of him. Shout out. I'm proud of him too.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah, Toby, you get a shout-out too for listening. Thank you for listening. Yes, he did listen. So does Kellen. So does Kellen. Kellen listened.

SPEAKER_02 20:27

Toby is entering a very fun era where he's trying to. I don't know if he's being like a jokester or just needs a little extra validation to start off his day, but he loves in the mornings to shoot a fam text update about something with the kids or something to do with his day. No, I love it so much. It's really sweet.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

You know why? Because he's not on social media, so he never gets the likes or double taps.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Well he is on LinkedIn and he thinks that's social media.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

So that's no that loves the lead up before the punchline of a story. He'll write frickin' a whole paragraph about something, and I'm just like, oh, you're such an old man. He sounded very professional. Shout out to Design Development with Ren Hayes the Fifth. Toby was featured on episode 177. Oh my god. Executive managing director, Eastern Real Estate. I listened to it. I sped through it, but I listened. I actually haven't. I need to.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

I haven't yet either. Support your partner.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

He sounds very executive. He did a really good job.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

So great. Yeah, that's nice. That's a word of African.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

Oh, I didn't see the video. I just listened to it. But that would be weird. I feel like guys at this age, when I say this age, I mean like 40. Jimmy and Toby being 40. If you tell them like they look good, they really I think men care about.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

I'm gonna let you guys do that. Tell them they look good.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Yeah. Tell them they'll be so excited. I also tell them he needs black. Botox. So it's like I wait.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

I definitely actually if I someone's like lost weight or something, I'll tell them. Like, you look great.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Please Toby, don't get Botox. You'll ruin your face. Don't he won't.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

He's not vain enough for that.

LA Observations

SPEAKER_00 22:13

Okay. Anyway. I would like to take it back to Andrew in LA.

unknown 22:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Claire.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

And scene back to LA. It was really great. We had a lot of fun. I worked the East Coast hours that I always do. So it's like 6 a.m. to 2 p.m. So there's this part of the day, 2 p.m. to 6 or 7, until he gets home from work where I'm really left to my own devices. And let me tell you something about LA, not a walking city. Incredibly spread out. It should be its own state. It's what part of LA were you in? The Venice area.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:54

And it's very spread out. And I tried to fill my time with doing workout classes. I felt like I had a lot of energy to expel because I was anxious about killing time. And I spend $40 on this class. It's a glorified stretch class, which is what was it called it was called a flow class. It's a beautiful studio. It's called open. It's new. But there was just a gong banging, and she was like, go from child's pose to not even a treat pose. It was a lot of child's poster and child's pose to child's pose. Yes, exactly. That was the flow of the class.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Sounds kind of nice.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Honestly, sounds kind of nice. Which is fine, but it's just not what I was looking for.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

If you're gonna carve out time for a workout, do the workout. Don't send child's.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

I'm gonna spend money on a class. I would like to have my ass kicked. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

I agree. Completely agree. And I think there is a level of zen in LA that I do respect and appreciate. However, there's a lot of oh, we'll see where the day takes us. That's great. But after a few days, it's I miss New York.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

Can you explain? Can you explain that to me more? Because I would probably crawl out of my skin in that environment. But people are just like, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 24:16

It's almost like living in a suburb at 28, and I'm newly in a relationship at 28, and I'm not ready to be in a suburb at this time in my life. And it just feels that way, kind of. It's more lively than a suburb, but there's also, I mean, I don't think this is a blanket statement, but I just think some people are just very like, the sky is stunning, and we need to connect with the earth and our bodies, and totally that's great. I just don't know if that's for me.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

I think the vibe is just more relaxed there. People aren't as psychotic, quite frankly. I don't know if I could even do that if I tried. I would really need to take a year of coming down to the city. Yeah, because you're a little psychotic.

SPEAKER_02 24:59

And I think that's what it is. I'm used to the overstimulating nature of New York. So when that's gone, I think I'm kind of like, what the fuck are we doing?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

I just think it's a different vibe, and there's nothing wrong with it. But also, this is probably making you appreciate and realize that you're a little bit more type A than you realize, even though you think you're relaxed for the East Coast.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Yeah, and I never really considered because I'm a bit of a scatter brain, I don't really consider myself type A, but I'm really coming to the 100% type A.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah. You're type A. You share a calendar with your boyfriend. You're type A. I didn't even know how to share, I didn't even know how to figure out how to do that when I was 28. I was such a disaster. Bring it.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

Can we discuss the shared calendar? I need to understand this more. Kat, do you have a shared

Shared Calendar Era

SPEAKER_01 25:51

calendar? Yes. Can you guys let me know what your opinion is of a shared calendar? Like pro or against? Well, well, first, Claire, explain before we're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

I was telling them about our shared calendar, which I created because I'm trying to plan ahead in terms of what weekends can we see each other.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

For you and Andrew.

SPEAKER_02 26:14

For yes. And I don't want to always be buying plane tickets two weeks before. I want to be able to plan these things out because flights are effing expensive right now, and I also want to strategize how to use my points. And so I created this shared calendar, and I did create it without his knowledge at first and waited for the right time to tell him about it. So in person, I was like, by the way, I made this calendar. Like, how do you feel about this? And he was like, I think it's great. And then the next time I checked the calendar, he made all these plans for our week in LA and added them to each day in the calendar. It was wonderful. So I was like, What are we up to? And he was like, Check the calendar.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

So he like, so he followed up and added to the calendar.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

He's my favorite. I know. I haven't even met him, but he is my favorite, and he's also the tallest. Oh my god, they're gonna hate that. I love it. He's the tallest, he's just like such a sweetie pie. He's a little teddy bear. Oh my gosh, I can't wait to meet him. The guy gets a big teddy bear.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

Yeah, not a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

He's a huge teddy bear for sure.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

I don't understand why the concept of a shared calendar is so crazy.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

How am I to know what he's up to? I think I'm just like shooketh because I didn't think about ever doing that until I had my kids and I used it for those purposes. Like Kelsey and I have shared calendars, like I do it for work. It never occurred to me that I could have a shared calendar with Toby.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

But I think we also lived with him. Actually, maybe we wish to do it. No, I live with Kellen and we have one.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Also, I don't think James would follow through on the shared calendar. If I want him to know something, I'm sending him calendar invites for everything, which probably the more logical thing would be having a shared calendar. I'm raising my hand. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Okay. So I want to understand the architecture of this. So are you saying that you give each other access to your calendars? No. Or that there's like a separate calendar where you guys share your social things.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

You can create a separate calendar. So I can select in we use Google Calendar. I can check off like where it's just my calendar, but I can check the box where it's Claire and Andrew's calendar. So Aaron, it's what you and I do in the summer. It's what we do for summer for camp. And it's just our dates. Like, I don't know what he's doing every day of the week, but it's our dates. If I'm going to Boston one weekend, me and my friends have a trip coming up to Montauk in June. That's on the calendar. So he knows that you guys aren't going to be. You're not going to see each other. Yeah, exactly. So we both know that these dates are not going to work for a trip.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

We just have one. I can't handle multiple.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

So Callan can see all of your meetings during the day.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Not my work meetings, but my personal calendar is separal from Outlook. I do my personal stuff in Google. But yeah, if I have a dinner with the gals one night, he can see that.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

See, Toby just puts it on my calendar when he has dinner. So I guess this is all kind of similar. It's the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

It's similar, but Claire's felt more formal when she was describing it to. I think we're just like, you're IT Claire. You are expecting nothing less of you. You're IT guy. You're IT guy.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

I'm the head of IT at the Kelly family. You are. At the Kelly family group. Absurd. I love when Dad calls me from literally a completely different location. So walk me through the system. It's so absurd.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Can you fix the Wi-Fi?

SPEAKER_02 29:35

The amount of times I have fixed the COVID was a dark time for IT Claire.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

It was tough out there.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

We should have been paying you for sure.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Yeah. You should have been charging.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

I should have been getting paid for accepting that my office was the unfinished part of the basement. You kind of chose that. Honestly, I loved that.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

I had that too clear. Yeah, I was down there too.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Do you know how depressed I was? Like I my college was canceled. I was doing cold calls in a basement.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Like I think you were depressed because that first job out of college was pretty brutal.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

That was not really dark days.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

But look at you now. You have a shared calendar with your cute little man in LA.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Because of that, I tend to not hang up on cold callers because I just feel bad. I just I try to gently lay them down and say no.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

I was trying that for a while, but the amount of cold calls I get in a day now is like 30, maybe. And so I have a screening thing on my phone. But the other day, one of the new women that joined our team was calling me, so I didn't have her number stored yet. And it said potentially spam. So I answered it, and I was so abrasive when I answered the phone. At this point, she was so great about it, but I was like, oh my God, I am so sorry for acting like such a bitch. I do sympathize with the cold callers, but they are very relentless, and it's hard for me to be nice at this point. Yeah. But I do think of you sometimes, Claire.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

In that dark basement, it could be someone else. Could be someone calling strangers trying to just retrieve their genes. Whoa, I just had a stroke. Your pictures look good. So here's the thing. I what pictures? Thank you. She hung up her pictures. I have the stunning wallpaper from Pepper Home. Um and I had these frames I got done. Took forever to hang them up, so I got a task rabbit to do it. How does this look? No, they're the wrong fucking height. It was too high. And I thought I got it right this time. That's hard. And it's still too high. I'm handy. Not handy.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

You're very visual, and I feel like you're good at putting all these things together.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

What does that say about me that my skills are more masculine? I'm really good at building furniture. I'm good with the tech stuff.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

I love that about you. And honestly, I have to tell you, I really used to enjoy building IKEA furniture. I love building calming.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

You do have a lot of traits that don't align with traits. Birth order or her no, her birth order. Oh that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

She's not functioning as a youngest child.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

For example, going on a trip with you, you're the one telling us what direction we're turning or where we're going or what subway we're taking.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

And meanwhile, I'm kind of like Claire, I would be an excellent trip companion for you because I don't want to do any planning. I want to show up and have somebody tell me what to do. But Claire doesn't always like that.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

It's you need someone who kind of will switch off with you. We did. I'm recognizing more. I'm super inconsistent. For example, the first time Charlotte and I went to Paris together, I didn't lift a finger. She does it all. It's funny though, when we went on our trip together to Italy, we were kind of butting heads of like who was the lead navigator. So you do need to switch off.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

You need to recognize when one person's leaving the charge because it's too much when multiple people are.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

Well, everybody just needs to know their role and play it. And I think it goes back to the whole thing of I'm very good with the flow on certain things and obviously very not on others. But one area where I'm really completely willing to relinquish control is if I'm on a trip with somebody who I trust, because I'd prefer to not do anything.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

If I don't know, that's a really good way to put it.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Yeah, and I also think every friend group has the person who is the planner, who's planning the trips, who's planning the dinners. I'm never that person, but always happy to go. But I feel like every friend group needs

Go With the Flow vs. Type A

SPEAKER_01 33:40

that.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

I really want to be better about it, but I think I'm just accepting that's not my role.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

I don't think I'm the planner, I think I'm the executor. That's a executing's good.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

If we get from point A to point B way.

SPEAKER_02 33:56

Exactly. Don't rely on me to plan it because I'll forget to do it until two days before. Yeah. Aaron, on the topic of go with the flow versus not being go with the flow. I feel like in what I was saying earlier about now discovering that maybe I'm more type A than I thought, I think a lot of it has to do with me relearning how to be in a relationship and share a space with someone kind of again. Totally. Because I've been single for so long that I've gotten very used to my independence. So I am curious when do you figure out these are the things I'm go with the flow at, and these are the things I am not? Because I feel like I'm discovering a lot of new things about myself, and I don't know how much that changes over time.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

I would say one thing that I've observed just generally in life is I think as much as we're all type A, we are all inherently pretty go with the flow in the grand scheme of things because we're from a family of six and we had to be that way growing up. That's true. I think that our baseline is that we're generally pretty flexible. I oftentimes don't care about something enough to assert my opinion about it. And you know I'm very opinionated, but when it comes to actually doing things, I just don't, if it's dinner plans or going on a trip, if one of my friends wants to play that role, I'm like, great, I don't care. I just don't care about any of that stuff enough. And I think part of that is a personality thing, but part of it also is being in a big family and always kind of having to compromise. Not like I need to get on my tiding violin. I think it's a good quality. So I think it changes as you get older a little bit. Also, I think you become exhausted and you've got bigger priorities. But none of that stuff matters enough to me. I like I like going out to nice dinners, I like making plans with friends, I like going on trips. But again, I'm happy to just go along for the ride. So I think that's partially a me thing, but partially just a function of her upbringing a little bit.

unknown 35:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

I also think that especially when you have kids, life becomes so busy. And Air mentioned this before that with adulthood, you can either drown in it or you can dominate it. And part of it is that you need to be more regimented in all the kids stuff. And so with everything else, you become more relaxed because you have to be regimented in so many other areas of your life. That's how I feel.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

I've said this to a couple of my friends. I've had an identity crisis because I always thought I was an extrovert, but I've realized I'm actually not. I'm an introvert, which doesn't mean you're shy. It just means that yes, you can be social, but you also need time to be alone. And that is very true for me. Like, that's how I recharge. And I think like I am so okay doing nothing on the weekends. By the end of the weekend, I'm pulling out my hair and I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna lose my mind. I will say, I think when you have plans, weekends go by much more quickly. But I am not a good, it's not that I don't want to be with my friends or love my friends. I'm terrible at proactive outreach. Like people really have to say to me, Hey, do you want to do something? It's kill. I do, I have to, I know that about myself. It's a bad habit, but I'm so happy to go through a weekend and have no plans. Yeah. Which again, I I know that's a bad, that's my toxic trait.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

So I I think you can be okay with just not doing anything and needing to recharge. But I think if you're a friend on the receiving end, you're like, I don't want to always. No, it can be a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

It has to go both ways. That's what I'm saying. Like, there has to be reciprocity. And even though I don't mean for it to come across in a certain way, I can see other people being like, I'm not gonna be the one always pulling the weight to make the plans. You do something. Yeah, however, I also think I do have friends who enjoy being the people that are in control of those situations. So they're like, I know I'm good at planning stuff, I know I'm good at planning a trip, I'm staying on top of all the best new restaurants that are opening. I'm gonna play that role, which like is great.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Those are amazing friends to have in a friend group because they enjoy it and they always get it done.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Totally, they always get it done. But again, sometimes the go with the flow can be misconstrued as I don't give a shit, which isn't true. So I don't know when it happens.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

I find myself shifting a lot depending on who I am with. I think I play different roles depending on the groups I can be in, like even with the travel stuff, like we were saying. I'm sure if I was on a trip with Aaron or Megan, I would be like, All right, you guys are old. You can you can do that.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

I wouldn't want you to plan it. I would be like I would like you guys are old. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

So I'm young. Yeah, let's go. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Or the elders, you got you're the elders.

SPEAKER_01 38:23

Claire, I feel like back to your point of like when do you realize what you're willing to compromise on or go with the flow with? I feel like that becomes very apparent once you start living with someone too. Because you really learn to pick and choose your battles and what is worth it. And I feel like in the beginning, I was like so unwilling to compromise and wouldn't. I I just didn't know to pick and choose specific battles every year. What would you compromise on?

SPEAKER_00 38:51

What wouldn't you compromise on?

SPEAKER_01 38:53

She'd really dig her claws in. Like on what I remember one specific example, which is actually objectively irritating. Catelyn was trying to be helpful when we first move in and hang a lot of the picture frames that we had. And instead of waiting for me to do it, he did it when I wasn't there and very kind intent. But I got home, and for example, anyone who's been in my apartment will know this the hanger that we have on the wall for our rack is legit six two tall. Yeah, I have to stand on my tippy toes to hang my goddamn coat. I causes you in every time you do it. And one of the picture frames is so high on the wall. I walked in, and again, this was like maybe a week or two in of living. I immediately like this wave of rage came over me and I would crash. I look, I had such a crash out. I look at him and I was like, Are you dumb in the head? And I went ballistic. I was like, Do you think this looks good? And also I was like, Do you think I can reach this to the point where Kellen was like, I'm gonna go for a walk. I'm gonna leave because you need to walk it back. And I kind of in that moment was like, oh God, I did overreact a little bit just now, but I'm still pissed. So I've I've I have learned to compromise on certain things. I've learned to hope not care as much if the bed isn't perfectly made to my liking, which it's not hard to do, but I've I'm getting there. So I think you become more go with flow. I twitch a little. Yeah, she's got like a mix of perfectly straight. I'm like, it's a mix of her OCD and crash outrage combined together. But my anger has dissipated over time because I've learned to live with it. So I feel like time is the only thing that's gonna make you go with the flow and realize what is worth having a fight about and what is not worth it. Yeah, it's maturity, honestly. But I do think for us who are all very stubborn, it definitely took a while. Yeah, at least for me. Yeah, it's a stubborn myth. Because I was like, no, I'm right. You better and my door rack is still where it is today. It is so high. That would frustrate me. I get a Charlie horse when I fucking hang my coat. Okay, okay, rolling. It's not that ugly. It is so high.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

I know what I'm gonna get you for your birthday a cute little stool. A step stool. A little step to step stool. Oh, totally. There are cute stools that exist.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

Wait, I have an ugly stool, so uh you should get a cute stool. Yeah, I have an ugly one as well. It's just black and boring.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

Okay, life is too short for a non-cute stool. So true. So tall.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

You know what I really want to get in my apartment? You remember how Muff had all the tiny chairs? I was looking on Etsy, try to find these antique small chairs. I know. They're so cute. I went to Maxime's on the Upper East Side, which the interior there is amazing, but it reminded me of Muff's because it had so many different patterns, lots of tchkis, lots of little layers, like quarter chic, you know? Oh god, it's yeah, it's great, but very muff chic.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Oh nostalgia Meg. Love that nostalgia Meg. I know.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Wait, but we need to discuss the May calendar because I feel like a lot is coming up. Oh, yeah. Totally.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

So I actually the other night when I had to ice my face for six hours, which honestly was the hardest part. And in the moment, I was like twitching because I was like, I have to sit still. Yeah, but in retrospect, why don't you try to do that? I really should have enjoyed it more. I can only meditate for 20 minutes before I start losing my shit. I'm not that good at it.

SPEAKER_01 42:24

But you're icing your face. I'm close to transcendental meditation. I think I can get there, but anyway, I can't.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

You're like psychic and I'm not, so I don't know. I'm just never gonna get there. I'm too Libra.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

Yeah, I guess I am close to that. So we'll pick that up later for our woo-woo conversation.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

Separate conversation.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

They're speaking witch to each other.

SPEAKER_02 42:44

Yeah, I don't know. I speak witch. This is not witch.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

Are you sure?

SPEAKER_01 42:50

Yes. We speak woo-woo witch.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

Yeah. Okay, let's

May Calendar

SPEAKER_00 42:54

bring it back to something we all understand, which is smut. And let me tell you a tale. The other night I decided that I needed to be entertained, so I got a smut book, but I got an audio book and listened to it. And you know, it was very, I'd give it a C minus. Can I get no? I'd give it a C plus. Can I get a title? Do you ever read any of the Vi Keeland books? No. Is that Vi Keeland? No, my dabble here and there. When I'm desperate. She has a lot of genres that she covers. Does a lot of standalone, no real series, but anyways, it was like a 50 shades of gray-ish type of book. And the thing I noticed about these books is the male lead or the male, like the MMC, he always is drinking an amber liquid. Can they just be more original? It's always an amber liquid. It's like Toby doesn't drink amber liquid. He drinks a fucking martini or a margarita. What guy do you know is always I'll have an amber liquid? Always in a pressed suit as well. And in a wide stance. And not just a pressed suit, a three piece suit in a wide stance.

SPEAKER_02 43:56

If I respond to the case, wearing a three piece suit, I'd be like, that's really foul.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

Three-piece suits are sexy. Sorry. James is a good one. Okay, they are sexy waistcoat. But if James went to work in a three-piece suit every day, you would have him admitted. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

For special occasions, sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:12

Special occasions. In these books where she's like a 25-year-old virgin who's gorgeous and went to Stanford. You're like, okay, I'm so sorry. But let's just be a little bit more realistic. Not a virgin. Okay. So anyway, I had to deal with that because all these new book releases are coming out in May. April has been a dry month. It has been. I feel like March was a big thing. What do we have? What do we have in May, though? Okay. And I actually felt bad. I came across this like book account where they do the book calendars and they say what the new release is. And I commented and was like, oh my God, how could you not include TL Swan? And like the very sweet person. And I didn't mean it in a mean way, but it kind of came across that way. And she responded to me and was like, I've never heard of TL Swan. And then I was like, oh my God, this is a romance account. And TL Swan is about like choking and stuff. Yeah. So I thought this poor personal trolling. I didn't mean to troll. I really didn't anyway. We don't tolerate trolls. No, definitely don't tolerate trolls. TL Swan's new book is coming out on May 5th, and I've been waiting for it for two years. I care about this. You have more important things going on. I have more important things to do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

Is this the one that in our shared Apple note you have the bat shit crazy next to it?

SPEAKER_00 45:21

Yeah, yeah, definitely. But this book is a level of unhinged that I think we've never seen before.

SPEAKER_01 45:26

Really? Yeah. What's the trope? Yeah, what's the trope? Uh she can't even. I don't think I can fully explain it here. Is this the we'll be on our after dark series? But okay, noted.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Is kinky about it. So I think the trope on this one is basically okay, he's British nobility. And I'm not gonna get into the details because it's really messed up, but they meet at like this place in Switzerland on one random weekend. Like one of the clubs. It's different. It's more like not a sex club, but sex clinic, whatever. Okay. And she's a math teacher from America.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

Megan just shuddered. She's quaking in her boots at the thought of sex club.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

It's like they have this one-off weekend and they have all this chemistry, and then they walk away from each other, and then the book, this new book, is like they've found each other again under some random circumstance. So I don't know what that circumstance is, but I am counting down the minutes.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

Okay, so read that report back, and we will have a special after dark series where you can really get into it. But I want to know, Aaron, are you actually going to watch the off-campus series? Are you gonna fast forward to the end like you do with everything else?

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Yeah. Are you gonna read it? It depends on how cringy the acting is. I think you have to watch it though.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

You and Emma are the exact same in that way. You fast forward through the entire I I get really bad secondhand embarrassment.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Yeah, I can't do that. I just like that. That's because it I didn't, I don't know, it's a horrible toxic trait. I've had it forever. But for this series, but I just am not sure if I agree with the casting. I need to see it in action.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

I don't know if it's the casting that I'm as upset about as I am upset about maybe the script writing seems to maybe be the larger issue at play. I have a particular script.

SPEAKER_01 47:19

I have a particular issue. The male leads hair, and it should be like a filthy flow, like all the hockey players. I don't know, he's really grown on me.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Which one is he? The main guy. The main guy. Garrett. Like with the Garrett. He's all his name's Belmont. He's so hot.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Yeah, he's so hot. I kind of when you said that in the beginning, I was like, okay, come on, he's hot.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Yeah, I just couldn't get into it. And now I'm definitely I'm into him and Hannah, the actress that plays her is adorable, and I think very well cast. Again, I wish they had decided to spend money on stylist for the cast for this premiere because she looked adorable, but those white shoes they were silver, were whatever the fuck they were. They were unacceptable.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

They were like high heel sneakers that were silver.

SPEAKER_00 48:04

Remember in 2010 when we had those platforms. Our sneaker wedges wedges.

SPEAKER_01 48:09

I meant to Aaron, I you've saved them, haven't you? No, the Isbel Morant. I literally probably just threw them out last year, but the Israel Morant wedges, we didn't have them at the time because we couldn't afford them. But we had the cheap knockoffs. We had the cheap knockoffs, and I saw someone on the subway wearing them the other day, and I was like, oh, can those come back?

SPEAKER_00 48:26

I thought I looked so stylish and sexy. The swedge. We thought we were styling.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

The wedge with the skinny jean was oh okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

But really quickly back to the new releases. I will say that is important. Rival Season 2, also very important. New Elsie Silver book, also very important. And shoot, there's more needed to discuss. Elsie Silver? Yeah, her new series is out in May. Shut. What's the twist? I don't know. It doesn't matter. Whatever she does is amazing. I would Elsie Silver. Cowcats.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

Chestnut Springs. Daddy Kate. Chestnut spring, Daddy Kate. I'm sorry. I haven't read someone who's topped Daddy Cade.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

Megan, have you read the whole series?

SPEAKER_01 49:07

Have you read Jasper's book? No, because I like Daddy Cade the best. You didn't even read Jasper's book. No, because did you read the Rose Hill series with The Wrestler? You think I didn't read Wild Side? I loved him. You didn't even give Jasper a chance. He seems too soft for me. Oh, he's hard on the outside, soft on the inside. He's the dirtiest room. He's a cinnamon, he's a cinnamon role. He's a dirty boy.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

He's a dirty boy.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

He is. Oh no. A wrestler? Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_02 49:37

I think you just need to just accept it. You may it's like how when someone explains how a character looks, like they had a man bun, and you read it and you say thanks so much for the suggestion, but that's actually not how they're gonna look to me. You just have to do that with this book. With the wrestler? I actually have it on my shelf. I have the whole series on my shelf. I loved Wild Card was my favorite one. He was the wildfire fire fighter. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

I forgot about that one. Okay, so that one, I skimmed that a little bit. Don't do that. So I think I need to reread it.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Wait, so I'm struggling to keep a straight face with Aaron Zuromas gone.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

Yeah. I just wanted to tell you guys about one more book. Elsie Silver Fever Dream. That's the name of the book. Stop. And wait, there was one more that is relevant to us. Annabelle Monaghan. Dolly all the time. That's okay. That's exciting. But that one looks really good. Hold. Oh, another Lucy score. Really? Oh, a new RS Gray. Oh my gosh. Oh, R S Grey left month. All in May? Yes. What is it about May? Oh god, we have so much to look forward to. This is gonna be a great month.

unknown 50:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:53

Okay, big rundown.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

Trying buying loving. Trying buying loving. TBLs. TBLs.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

Katrine.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

Kit take off. Yeah.

Trying, Buying, Loving

SPEAKER_01 51:02

Kind of on the book trend. I am, I guess I'm trying. I am currently reading the book that Kay, our lovely, gorgeous, sweet aunt, recommended. Theo of Golden. Oh my god, I want to read that. If you just want to feel warm and happy inside, it is already giving me those feelings. It is cute. So stinking cute and just pure. That's it. Pure of heart. Love that. I'm already loving it and I know I will continue to love it. And I like can't wait to get to the end of it because I feel like there's some amazing heartwarming thing gonna happen. Um buying, I got this a little bit ago, but this cute little half trench coat from that's perfect for this awkward in-between weather from Dish. Oh, Dish, yes, Dish. Yeah, Dish has good shit. Um I didn't know that existed. I'm gonna look into this. Loving. Claire, I actually bought this in Paris. Oh, which I didn't need to buy it in Paris, I could have bought it here. But the Tinted Moisturizer by Beauty of Joseph. Joseph. Oh yeah. Really good. And I've tried a lot of tinted moisturizers, and I love this one.

SPEAKER_00 52:15

Is that the sunscreen Lila recommends?

SPEAKER_01 52:17

Sorry, yes, I it's tinted sunscreen. So it's sunscreen. And it's very good because I'm bad about wearing sunscreen, like plain sunscreen. It's really good. I highly recommend it. Very light. And that's the tank. That's the table. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

Claire? For what I am trying, I'm really trying to spend less money this month. Um I downloaded my credit card statement and uploaded it into ChatGPT today and said, solve this problem for me. I need you to cut out something somewhere. Guys, I don't even want to say the amount of money I spend in a month on grocery shopping. It's I am one person.

SPEAKER_01 53:08

Yeah, why are you spending so much on grocery shopping? Yeah, tell me how much you're spending. Actually, we're gonna be able to do that double, and there's two people in my you don't want to know what I spend.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

Can we cut this if it's too much?

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

It's not it. I'm spending a thousand dollars a month on groceries. That's no offense.

SPEAKER_00 53:25

Lol Claire, but for one person? Claire, Claire's too much. Inflation. Groceries have gotten really expensive. Why do you think I'm yeah? Wait a second.

SPEAKER_02 53:38

Why do you think I'm cutting corners? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:41

That's that's $200 a week. I don't need weekly. Well, there are typically generally four weeks in a month, so that math is wrong. It's more like $250. $2, 4, 6, 8.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

And then some. Claire, the math is that's too much, and you don't need that. I know. I don't think it's a good thing. Like waste.

SPEAKER_00 54:00

I think that's normal. No, I don't think so. All right. So you're trying to eat less food and save money.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Definitely trying to eat less food for sure. No, like you're sustaining yourself. You're just not for sure. That's my trying, my buying. I recently um, and I know we're like not supposed to shop at these places, but because I'm trying to cut costs here, I purchased this little shawl at Mango. It's like we're allowed to shop at Mango.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

I love it. It's sort of like a poncho.

SPEAKER_02 54:36

Is it called when it's almost like a boat neck?

SPEAKER_00 54:39

Okay. A pa that's not a poncho.

SPEAKER_02 54:41

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 54:42

At all. A shawl. It's a shawl.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Sure. It doesn't have any arms.

SPEAKER_00 54:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 54:47

A Pajmina. Sure. But it's almost like a see-through kind of thing. It's very, you know, I wore it out at this dinner at LA. It was great. Um loving, super just different and fun. Totally. And then loving. I am really loving coloring at night. I find it is the only thing that keeps me off of my phone. Um and I spent $200 on the marker kit from Amazon. Maybe that's where you should have been cutting. That is not a good thing. That was for a while. So now I'm just getting, I'm trying to up my cost per color. Like really get that, get those numbers down.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

I don't think it's up your cost per color. Don't spend $200 on marker.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

I think I need to delete my Amazon.

SPEAKER_00 55:31

You're trying to do girl math, but you're bad at girl math. Super bad.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

And it's never been my thing. So that's why I had Chat GPT step in. But that's me. Great.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

Meg. Okay. Buying, which Aaron, I think you just already copied me, but the Lissette Kyoto Carpenter pants, which are like the drawstring pants. Oh, yeah, you did look cute in those pants. I got them in the bright red. I just thought they're like a fun. They're super cute. What is it called? Kyoto? The Lissette Kyoto Carpenter pants. Donnie has similar pants. They're the drawstring pants. Link on Shop Mai. Yeah, Link on Link on Pants. We gotta set up a Shop Mai. Yeah. Yeah. Um I'll set it up.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

Guys, it will be like Dash. You remember Megan? Do you remember when they opened Dash and Soho? Right when we moved to the show. There was a Dash and Soho.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

That is so iconic. Super.

SPEAKER_01 56:23

Guys, it will be like an online Dash. Totally.

SPEAKER_02 56:26

Wait, can I just say a quick side note? My friends have started doing this where we often do hauls and share different things that we do. Friends have started sending links to things. Oh, what was that hair shampoo that you loved? They send the links through ShopMai, which is genius. So you can just start with the thing.

SPEAKER_00 56:44

That's why I'm creating a ShopMai for myself just so I can send Toby a list of all the things I want him to buy me. And when he buys them for me, I'll make you get a link. I'm gonna get a couple of things. Is that not the smartest thing I've ever thought of in my life?

SPEAKER_01 56:58

Well, you've just blown up your own spot.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

So I mean, I'm a genius anyway.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

No, but it is smart because what's ended up happening is you send it to me, I send it to him, and no one is making any money off of that. Like, we should do this for sibling birthdays in the future. You should monetize.

SPEAKER_02 57:16

It's like an extra birthday present if you get something off of someone's shop.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

Mike, love that. So that's what I'm buying. Sorry, I'm doing this out of order. Trying, I am reading The Artist's Way, which is a book that was written 25 or 30 years ago, but it's the anniversary of it, so it's become popular again. But it's a way to like ignite creativity in the other side of your brain. It's a very popular book, and there's something called morning pages, where basically every morning you write anything, but like you write three pages. It's essentially journaling. But there you read a chapter each week and then you do your morning pages. And I'm like really trying, God, with kids, it's fucking hard. You gotta wake up at the ass crack of dawn to actually consistently be doing these things. But I'm gonna try and do that. Loving Claire, on your whole thing on like spending and thinking about all that. I've been using this app called Copilot for probably like four years for expense tracking. I think it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 58:19

I feel like it hasn't changed your habits around Amazon though.

SPEAKER_01 58:21

Yeah, I was gonna say, sorry. Okay, that actually leads to my other thing in cat shout out to you who recommended the Amazon Prime credit card. Oh, you're welcome. Okay, I don't know why I didn't get that before. It's five percent cashback on all your Amazon purchases and on Whole Foods.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

I can't imagine how that is for you.

SPEAKER_01 58:40

Yeah, 5% at Whole Foods. Yeah. Did you not get my email? I sent you an email. I did you totally ignored it.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

Did you send me an email? I hope you know not to email. I think I did read it all.

SPEAKER_01 58:51

I didn't have an email with a detailed list of the benefits that I recently got. The reason I also sent it is because I got a $150 gift card on Amazon. Wait, so if I do it, should I do it through you? I'll record you the email right now so I can get the figure. It's my it's my thing today. Megan, I told you about it. So it's mine.

SPEAKER_02 59:11

This is like how Kat hustled the tri-state area to get them to join her company so she could win $10,000 in a competition.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

Oh my god, cat winning straight desk referral program. Literally like a savage to win an extra buck here and there.

SPEAKER_02 59:29

That's the thing about Kat. She's gonna hustle to make a buck.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

Hopefully, not too much. I don't want to see feet you don't even know the half on OnlyFans. You don't know the half of it, y'all. Really?

SPEAKER_02 59:38

Gross, too. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

So you do have nice hands. You could do a hand account. I could help.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

I would so do a foot account. Where is the shame? If we know it's really one of them.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

I feel like I should be getting the commission on this Amazon card that Aaron's about to buy. I don't think so. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_00 59:53

I think Catherine would slip my throat if I gave it to over her.

SPEAKER_02 59:56

You can shop my the pants, but you can't credit cards, not your thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Credit card is me. But, anyways, now you know. Now you know. Kat, that was a good tip.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

Aaron. Okay, I'm trying to be better about meditating as I'm very good at manifesting now. Oh, okay. I need a class from you on this because you and I each have you're good at that and I'm good at it. It's very straightforward for me, but to really just try and sit alone with your thoughts for like 30 minutes and not control them is a very significant challenge for me that I can't conquer yet. So I'm trying to be better about that. And I do find that when I do it, it makes me feel better. What I am buying is I actually think I saw this on one of Sarah's Instagram stories recently, but your friend Sabrina was wearing one of her Sino jackets. It's like that one with the red stripes, I think. Oh my god, yes. They look so cute. Oh they look so good. Anyway, I think I'm gonna buy myself that one because it's adorable. Yeah, and what I am loving is actually what I have right here. And I'm gonna show you because it's just so cute. Okay, these chargers, Kelsey told me about it. Can you talk into the mic? Oh, sorry. These chargers. I can't really see anything right now because I don't have my glasses on. You can put the mic down for one second to turn it off.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

Okay, but look how cute are these like cute little chargers. Oh, I've gotten targeted for those on Amazon.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

Look, it's like and then and it looks really cute. Yeah, anyways, it's a freaking phone charger that's like aesthetically pleasing. Okay, whatever. I like it. Don't yuck or yum. No, it's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

It's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:26

Toby told me I wasn't allowed to put in the kitchen because it took up too much room. He did not appreciate it. He said it's not small enough. Anywho, that's all I've got for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:39

It's very cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:40

Wait, you're missing one. I tried meditating. I'm loving my special charger, and I'm gonna buy myself that adorable Suno coat of Shaketa. Shaketa. It's Mother's Day coming up, and I'm gonna send Toby a list that's linked to Shop My and earn money on commissions, but probably not because he probably won't actually buy me anything. As you should. As you should. Do you remember the time he taped cash under the table? For my mother's remember my first Mother's Day? Oh god, Toby has had some serious. It was literally the first year I was a mother, and he thought it'd be funny to just tape cash under the table instead of buy me a thoughtful gift. It's literally mother. Is this super cringe? So cringe. It's all right. I left him to pieces, he's the best, but he's so bad at giving gifts. I love how supportive you're being.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

I think sometimes he almost does it. He's so bad that I'm like, is it on purpose? Is it on purpose?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:36

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:36

He's getting a rise out of you.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:39

The last thing I will say is he listened to our podcast, the one where we talk about pro maxing, and he's featured prominently. And I thought he'd be kind of mad at me because I do rag on him a fair amount. And he was like, I really felt like you had my back more than I thought you would.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:53

And I was like, wow, that's what does that say about me? No, see, that means that this is your guys' relationship. This is how you communicate. He listened to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:00

This is your love, how you rip on him. Totally. But I reflected on it a little bit and I was like, maybe I should be nicer. So I'm trying. That's one of the things I manifest daily to be nicer to him.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

Oh, that's beautiful. I love that's beautiful. I feel like it's fine, but it's fine. It's fine. No, I support this journey for you. Thank you. Aaron, you and I are gonna become peaceful people have no anger.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

No, I'm gonna just suppress seated rage within me.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:28

And Aaron and I will become witches. Yeah. We're already on that path. I'm gonna join Etsy soon. Oh, yeah, I was gonna say, Aaron, maybe we can be Etsy witches after that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:39

If we are looking for alternative income streams, we could do the feed picks on OnlyFans, or we could spell Etsy.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:45

I'll do the feed picks. I think Emma might be an Etsy witch on the side, by the way. Good for her to totally see that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:51

I think she's she could totally do that. She'd crash. She is, yeah. She'd crash. She'd totally crash. We should talk about it. Oh, that's a really funny, that's a really fun dinner party question. Like what type of uh would your side hustle be? What would your side hassle be, or what Etsy store would you open? Because there's so many different categories.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:08

I'll think about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

Bring it to your next dinner party.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:11

Okay, listen. My ice pack is now warm and it's making me face it. Yeah, melt. So it's time for bed. It's time for bed.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:17

Love seeing you gorgeous girls.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:19

Claire, we're so happy to have you back totally on the map, on the best coast.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

I'm glad you've realized that LA is not for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:27

Yeah, it's like love to visit there.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:30

It's like good from far, but far from good.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:32

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:33

You said that, not her.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

Not me. You're not moving. I didn't say that moral of the story. Um, it's a gorgeous place that I like to visit. Exactly. Perfect. You know? Love y'all. Love y'all. Love you guys. Be with you. Sleep tight. Don't go to bed too late.