Be The Yes Man

You can’t logic your way out of a post-divorce hole. At some point you have to move, show up, and let life surprise you again. That’s what our “yes man” season is about: saying yes after divorce in a way that rebuilds confidence, creates new memories, and brings you back to yourself.

We trade stories that hit every part of divorce recovery and men’s mental health: Phil taking a last-minute road trip to New Orleans with a guy he barely knew, Matt saying yes to fight training and discovering what recovery really feels like, and the small invites that turn into big wins like kayaking and live sports energy. We also get real about the awkward fear behind new experiences, like getting on a karaoke mic, and the way one bold “yes” can reset your identity when you’ve been stuck replaying the past.

Then Zac walks through a zero-notice skydiving trip and that door-open moment when your brain screams you’re about to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. It’s terrifying, it’s beautiful, and it nails the core takeaway: you don’t know how good life can be until you experience it. We also share a practical safety note for nights out and why a personal breathalyzer can be a smart part of your going-out toolkit.

If this hits home, subscribe, share it with a friend who’s rebuilding, and leave a review so more divorced dudes find the push they need. What’s one thing you’re going to say yes to this week?

Transcript

Welcome And The Yes Man Idea

SPEAKER_02 0:07

Welcome back to the Divorce Use Podcast. My name is Zach. And I'm Matt. Welcome to episode five, uh, the fishbowl, we're gonna call it, because apparently we sound like we're in a fishbowl. Um we're having some technical difficulties. We've rearranged the studio, and I don't think it's working out quite as well as we had hoped. Um, but we're gonna bear through it for this episode and just see where it goes. Today's episode is about being the yes man. Uh, there's a time after divorce where everybody just kind of uh needs to become that and just go out and experience life, no holds barred, just getting into whatever anybody offers you. And it's it can be actually the most rewarding part of finding yourself again.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

It really can be. And speaking of yes man, we have on the show with us again Philip Corley.

SPEAKER_03 0:54

Hello.

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Welcome, Phil. He yes manned himself right into a yes man episode episode, like, why not?

SPEAKER_02 1:03

We were doing one yesterday and uh said, What are you doing tomorrow? And he said, I don't have any plans after work. And we said, Do you want to shoot another episode? And he goes, Yes, I do. And here we are. So um I think what we should do is just kind of go through our yes man experiences.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Well, I've I've heard one of Phil's stories. I kind of want to hear this story again. Phil's got some good stories.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

I have I have a couple good stories.

A Stranger Invites New Orleans

SPEAKER_03 1:26

Uh this was a couple years after the divorce, uh getting to my 29th birthday. Uh there was a Ramsey there's a Ramsey's down the street from where I live, and I was regular there, going there, you know, every Sunday, uh occasionally on a Monday. But it was honor this particular Monday I met a guy, he's sitting there, he's talking to the bartender. He's got a trip to New Orleans coming up the the the coming the upcoming weekend, the weekend of my birthday. And one of the four people that he has going on this trip just bailed. So he's just looking for anybody to take that fourth spot and help share the costs and everything.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

I want to apologize to Phil really quick now. Um, so I've yes manned into uh a dog. Um when you become the yes man, everything goes, and your wife will eventually say, Hey, there's a dog. Do you want to adopt it? And you say, Yeah, she looks really cute, and then she turns into be the absolute terror of your life. I love her to death, she's really small, she's 12 pounds, and she's ferocious as hell. She's in attack mode right now. She's currently in attack mode. We uh we're we're having fun, but she wants all the attention at the moment. Anyway, I apologize.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

Phil, continue your story. That's okay. So uh, so yeah, he's just looking for anybody to take that fourth spot, help split costs and all that. And I get to talking to him, like, it's well, it's my birthday this weekend, so and he's like, perfect, you're in. So I knew this guy all of two days before I got into a car with them for 13 hours going down to New Orleans with the other two people.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

I'm dying over here because that is hilarious. I mean, you just like, hey, random dude, I'd never met before. Let's go to New Orleans together.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Yeah, and Phil was like, fuck it, what are you gonna do? Kill me? Okay, yeah, I just got divorced. What else is the worst? What else could happen?

SPEAKER_01 3:25

What's the worst that could happen? I spend some money, I lose some money.

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Yeah, yeah, I might be trapped halfway across the country country.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

So I mean, that's that's a car ride. That's that's a very, very long car ride home, but it's still just a car ride.

SPEAKER_03 3:40

It was a very good car ride. And uh I had a buddy who he gave me, he let me borrow his knife for the weekend. You know, because he's like this is the risky thing you're doing. Here's a knife. Better for you to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

I mean, I I feel the same way about all knives. I would rather have one and not need it. Um I do apologize. Still, Bella is is being crazy. We uh we brought her into the studio because the last time she decided to be outside the door and she was being crazy, and we thought this would be better, but it's not. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

You know, she's gonna get an honorable mention on the website, I'm sure. She's gonna have to get her own little Polaroid up.

SPEAKER_02 4:24

We're gonna make a t-shirt. It's gonna be one of those like fucking weird ass raccoon shirts, but it's gonna be Bella.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

And it just says yes, man, across her face.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

No, no, we gotta do the what's your tattoo say?

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Oh, the horrors persist, but so do I.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what that's what hers is gonna say. She'd be riding a fucking dolphin or something. Just a picture of Bella with a sword riding a dolphin. I love it. Yeah, that's what's anyway. I'm so sorry. You have a knife now.

SPEAKER_03 4:51

I I had a knife for the weekend. I called my parents and told them that I was going to New Orleans, kind of an impromptu trip. Did not tell them that I only knew the guy for three days.

SPEAKER_02 5:02

I mean, you don't want to divulge all the secrets.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

My mom, after the fact, when I told her that, she's like, I'm so glad you didn't tell me that.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Came back safe and sound.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

Came back safe and sound. Tell me you had a great time. It was so wonderful. Like, up pretty much all we did was Barbon Street. Nice. And uh there was there was a club down there, Razu, and my birthday wasn't on a Saturday that weekend, but we're out Friday. And I didn't pay for a single thing all of Friday night, and we're just in the club and I'm dancing, and every so often this really hot girl would come around, like grab me by the neck, and like like pull my head back at those like jello shots and syringes injected.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

Shoot one. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

No idea. Yeah, she just like come at me like a ninja. Like she's like all of a sudden, and my head's being pulled back.

SPEAKER_02 5:53

Like you didn't have a choice. I didn't have a choice. You have a choice. Greatest. Did you have to use the knife?

SPEAKER_03 5:59

I did not have to use the knife. Oh, that would have made the story so much cooler.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah. I did lose my soul in the world. Hitchhike his way back home with just him and his knife, one scar on his arm.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Like, I'm 29. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

But uh, but my buddy, he's he was like, because I eventually did get sick and throw up in New Orleans and and uh Yeah, I got some chickpeauty jello shots all night.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

What'd you expect?

SPEAKER_03 6:27

That's called a hangover. Phil lost his soul in New Orleans, and uh I was in the bathroom throwing up and I heard them like trying to get in. They were gonna try to take a video of me. I had locked the door. I was like, yeah, fuck you.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

So uh do you still keep in touch with this guy? No, it was it was just one and done.

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Have you seen him again since the trip?

SPEAKER_03 6:55

Every so often I caught him at that Ramsey's and we talked for a little bit, but we just you know Does New Orleans ever come back up? Uh we've talked about like he's talking talked about doing cruises and things, and uh you know, I don't know if he ever got those trips together, but he's like, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do this. Never got the invite again, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

I mean, that's we talked about this yesterday. The universe puts things in your path that uh you need when you need them. I bet that was that thing for you.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

That was such a wonderful, like random impromptu time.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Yeah. Yeah. Um what's your crazy story, Matt?

Fight Training And Getting Humbled

SPEAKER_01 7:36

I don't I don't think I have one as good as that. I mean, nobody does. I've yes I've yes manned my way into a lot of fight fight New Orleans, like no, no, not fight. Uh I did yes man my way into a fighting club.

SPEAKER_02 7:48

Uh first rule of fight club, Matt. First rule. First rule. Can we all talk about it?

SPEAKER_01 7:54

First rule of this fight club was pay me. This is an expensive class you're about to fail in. We're we're gonna send 20-year-olds to just kick your ass for an hour a day, every single day.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

I thought you got kicked in the calf one time, tore the muscle, and said, fuck this, I'm done.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

I took a break because I was healing from the muscle, but I have continued to go back a couple of times, but I I don't go and do the live fighting, I just do the training part now.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

Yeah. Yeah, once you get to a certain age, that that kind of happens. I I did uh uh I had a buddy who was a boxer in Nashville, and uh he's like, bro, you should come to come train with us. Just just come in and train with us. I I think you'd love it. You'd be you'd be great at it. And uh, Carl, I love you, buddy, but um that shit kicked my ass.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

Uh because Carl's very uh passionate about boxing, and he's like, Alright, bro, you've got to do this, you gotta do this. And I was like, okay, so I come in, start doing the the classes where you like learn to punch, you know, you learn to kick. I was doing a little Muay Thai. Um, and then he's like, Alright, we're gonna spar tomorrow. I said, say what? I'm already exhausted. I was like, bro, I I don't get I don't get punched. I I I just no he's like, you're gonna do it. Started sparring with this like little 12-year-old kid, punched me right in the fucking nose. Nose starts bleeding. I about lost it. I was like, I didn't sign up for this shit. I'm fucking 40 years old. I've been through a divorce. I've got a 12-year-old here beating the shit out of me. Did you hit him back? He's 12. I couldn't hit him back, I'd kill him.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

At least the one that kicked my ass was at least 22, thank god.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Well, even though I could have punched him back. He's old.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Oh yeah, I did try to punch him back, and then I stepped down on my ripped calf.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

And I was like, no. He said, nah, I'm gonna take you out from the waist down.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Like, there's no money involved for me to keep going. I'm done. That's hilarious. Gotta protect the body at some point. What else have you done?

Kayaking Turns Into A Real Hobby

SPEAKER_01 9:57

So I started kayaking. Um that was that was a fun invite. It was just a random afternoon. Um, and I'm I don't even remember where I was. Uh probably a bar, but let's digress. And someone was like always at the bar. Always at the bar. Hey, you want to go kayaking tomorrow? And I was like, Yeah, let's do it. Uh fell in love with it. I now own three kayaks. I go regularly. I I absolutely own more than one. Well, because they all have a different purpose. Like the first one I bought was inflatable because I was cheap. EBay special. And then the second one was because I bought a used one because it was cheap. Yeah. And then number three, I I finally, you know, you're like, I love this shit. I love this. This is really worth investing in, and so now I have a much much nicer kayak than I.

SPEAKER_02 10:51

And you you yes man straight into a hobby that you now love that I'm I'm certain uh uh soothes your soul, feeds you in some way that makes your life better.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

And now you have three kayaks and two friends here who you could bring kayaking.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

You know what happens is there's two kayaks that get stacked on top, and then the inflatable one goes in the trunk, and then three bodies need to get in the car. That's how this works.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

I got a runner, buddy. We got plenty of room. We can make that work. Plenty of room. Phil, you get to blow up one.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Okay. I kind of knew that was happening. Whenever I go visit Owensboro with my family, I get the air mattress.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

So you're used to inflatable things.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

Sister gets to bed. You know, I get the the air mattress.

SPEAKER_02 11:34

I'm disappointed that nobody actually made a joke off of that. Off of what? I only thought about his inflatable.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

He still doesn't get it.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

He's not getting it. It's okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

Hey, I worked eight hours before doing this, so I I have an excuse. Yeah, I barely worked for six today.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

Matt didn't do anything. I didn't do Jack.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Truck was 800 pieces, but 25,000 pounds worth of lifting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:03

Tell me that you did that with a dolly.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

No. Jesus. Yeah, they they bring the pallets in and I throw it up onto the shelves, and you know, that's my job.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Go to the bar and get another drink. You need another drink right now. Go fill your cup up.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

At Whole Foods, there's a bar that's attached to it, and me and a buddy, you know, most days we go over there afterwards and we're like, fuck this shit.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Well, I mean, I do that too, but I don't work at Whole Foods. Uh I I say the same thing about work. That's how we end up at the bar.

Volleyball Fandom And Rival Energy

SPEAKER_01 12:34

One of the other things I yes made my way into was going and watching women's volleyball.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

Now, you see, I love that. Uh for two things. One, I love women. I love athletic women. And volleyball, I I don't care who you are, you get into a match, you watch it, that shit's exciting.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

Yeah. We're just going back and forth through like who's gonna get it, or they like do that little pancake thing where they put get their hand on the ground just as the ball's hitting it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Yeah, so like I wish I wish my interest in this volleyball and the reason I kept going back was that innocent. But the very first match I get taken to, it's against Tennessee.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

And so this is our big rival.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

UK versus Tennessee.

SPEAKER_01 13:18

UK versus Tennessee. This is our big rival. It is a sold-out max capacity venue just humming with energy. And in the second set, one of the players, someone spikes the ball and it domes them. The very next play to the exact same player gets domed again.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

There's a video online of some chick, and it's at a volleyball thing, and they're warming up, and she's on the other team, and you can tell that this girl's like got it out for her. So she spikes the ball, hits her right in the fucking face. Everybody runs over to her, and they they bring her up, get her back on her feet, and as soon as they do, another chick from the other team spikes another one, hits her right in the back of the head. I I mean so wonderful. It's I mean, it sucks for that person because I've been hit in the face with a volleyball. It doesn't feel good.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

It does not feel good. It was the comedic pain of the third time it happens, and the whole team on both sides go, oh see, this is the thing about volleyball.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

If that shit happened in baseball, both teams would be on the field, you have a big brawl, they're like shit would be people would be punching each other in the face. Volleyball is just like, man, that sucks.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

You get your hands in front of your face.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Block that shit. What are you? What are you doing? That's on you. Don't feel bad for it. I don't feel bad for you. You didn't block it.

SPEAKER_03 14:46

It doesn't started hockey players. I saw a clip uh yesterday. The guy took a slap shot to the side of the head and didn't even fall down.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Yeah, there's no flopping in hockey. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 14:58

Yeah, it's not what are you this isn't soccer.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

He looked at me wrong, so I fell on the ground crying.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

He poked me, and now I have to roll on the in the grass for three minutes.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

No offense to anybody who plays soccer, by the way. Uh, I couldn't do that. That's a lot of running. Running's bad for me. It's dangerous. You see me running, can't keep up. There's some bad shit happening.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Um yeah, running's not for me either. Um you're in a running club. No, you're a walking club. I'm in a run walk club that I yes man my way into.

SPEAKER_02 15:26

Run slash walk club.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

And I I carry the walk part proudly. I I tell I tell everybody always coming, never running.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Again, nobody's gonna touch that.

unknown 15:39

What?

SPEAKER_02 15:41

You know, feel free to just speak your mind. Anyone that's ever watched Archer, I'm gonna bring back phrasing. Phrasing. Um volleyball. Volleyball. Yes. So now you're also you're a kayaker, you're into women's volleyball, not in a creepy way. Uh, what else are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Wow, what else am I doing? Um, I mean, I've been taking all kinds of trips and going to concerts left and right, um, and going to random shows, and it's all just, hey, you want to go? And I'm yes, man, on my way into I think 18 concerts this year. God that I already have tickets for. There's plenty more year for me to buy more tickets.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

Yes, there is. Jeez. I'm glad you make decent money.

unknown 16:29

You'd be poor.

SPEAKER_02 16:30

You'd be very poor.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Um so buying one ticket's not so bad.

SPEAKER_02 16:35

No, but it's cheaper. Multiply that by 18. I've been doing that.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

I'm not buying someone else's drinks when I get there. I'm not buying someone else's drinks. I'm happy. I'm happy to like go sleep in my car for a couple hours before I drive home. I don't even need a hotel. It's a it's so much cheaper than it has

Concert Runs And Staying Safe

SPEAKER_01 16:53

to be.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Also, that's terrible advice. Don't do that. You can get a DUI for sleeping in your car.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

It's true. You're supposed to put the keys on your car tire so they're not in the vehicle. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

Okay. Um, somebody looked that up, let us know. Um that could be true.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

It's a definite wives tale. I don't know if it's uh true or not.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

I mean, they can't prove that you weren't driving before you fell asleep. So oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

That's not better. That's so much worse. The car's idling in gear, you're just parked up against a tree.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

If by chance there is a lawyer listening, please clarify this for us so that we can actually do a PSA on this. Also, this goes back into what we talked about yesterday. Everybody get a backtrack. Seriously. Uh they're cheap, they stay on your keychain, they let you know if you're safe to drive. Uh, they'll give you a time if you get the upgraded version that will allow you to see how long it's gonna be until you're safe to drive. Um, just get one, just so you have peace of mind and you know. Uh, we don't need anybody out there, you know, getting in an accident because you did something stupid. Um I believe in this. Matt turned me on to him. Uh, I think it's a great thing to just keep on your person at all times. Um so yeah, do that.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Uh don't don't do what I did when I first got mine.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Try to get a high score. Try to get a high score. Yeah, he did that to me the other day. I said, bro, I'm at zero, so I lose. I haven't had anything to drink yet. He's like, I'm nine deer. It's okay. It's okay. What else did you do, Phil?

Karaoke Courage On A Slow Night

SPEAKER_03 18:33

So one big thing that I got into was uh singing karaoke. Okay. Um first off, I didn't start drinking until after the divorce. Like my first beer, I think I said this last episode, my first beer was at 24 after the divorce. And eventually I was going to bars, and one of the bars was the karaoke bar. And uh yeah, I watched people getting up on stage for a couple months before I was like, I think I could do that.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

Listen, I when I'm in the room and like the guy singing at the top of my lungs when I'm in an OR case, and I'm just like living my life, I still to this day can't get in front of a group of karaoke. I don't know why. Even if I'm drunk, I can't do it. So I commend you. It is it is difficult.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Because you sing in front of all of us constantly.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

It's my safe space, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:22

So you just need it, you need a private room at the karaoke bar.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

So definitely. Yeah, give me some, give me a private room.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Give me a private room, we get to hear some karaoke.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

I'll get on the mic, I'll sing my heart out. It's the strangers that bought. I could never be a like an artist, I could never be like a rock star because I would get out there and be like, oh, these people are gonna think I'm stupid. They're gonna think I suck. I can't do this.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

So what I did, so if anybody's thinking about trying karaoke, what I did was I picked a really slow night, so there was very few people in the bar. And just you know, picked a song that I knew very well that I listened to for decades and you know couldn't know every word, and let those two things come together had a really good first uh song. Like I they didn't they everybody thought I was lying when I said it was my first time singing karaoke. I was so good. You practice. And so that confidence boost just made it so much easier to keep going up on stage.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

So, what was what was the song? What was your go-to first song?

SPEAKER_02 20:23

It was It's Been a While by Stained. Okay, that's a good one. I was thinking, you know, like my heart will go on. Fucking Titanic song.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

You know, I have been on stage to sing that with a group of people.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

I can't say that I'm not sure. I actually that doesn't surprise me. That's a story for a different day. Did you guess man yourself into that too?

SPEAKER_03 20:42

Oh yeah. It was like somebody put it in, it was like last song of the night, and everybody come on up here. Like we're all singing this together. Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

Phil, you are a much more interesting man than I ever knew about.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

I I have lived a strange storied life.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

Also, if I wasn't worried about copyrights, I'd have you sing that right now, but we can't.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Yeah, don't do that. So, what about you, Zach? What was what was your yes man moment?

Skydiving On Zero Notice

SPEAKER_02 21:06

Oh god. So I've been to So it's the the attack dog here. Oh, yeah, she's still going spastic. I'm so sorry, guys. I'm sure you can hear it. She's attacking one of my other dogs. He's not into it, but she doesn't care. They're fighting. Um, one of the big ones, uh, besides boxing and Muay Thai um was I went skydiving on absolutely zero notice. I had a Carl, same guy. This guy loves life in every way. He's like, hey, I'm going skydiving on Saturday. Do you want to go? I'm like, bro, it's Thursday afternoon. He's like, yeah, do you want to go? And I was like, fuck yeah, I want to go. I've always wanted to go skydiving. Why wouldn't I want to go skydiving? He's like, Are you serious? I was like, yeah. He's like, You you really want to go skydiving with me? He's like, I was like, yeah. He's like, well, I was just kind of joking, but do you really want to do it? And I was like, obviously, I said yes. So and o'clock in the morning and we get up, we drive down to Chattanooga, and he's like, Still, we're there. We're walking into this place. There's a plane taking off. There's people getting on it. They're flying up. He's like, You sure you want to still do this? I'm like, what, buddy? Are you scared?

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Like, he's he's scared that you're scared? What is he scared of that you'd be he was scared of jumping out of a plane? Oh, so he had not done this before. This wasn't like some normal thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:25

He was like trying to make a joke about it and I was like, I call it his bluff. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

So we're standing there and I'm like now he no longer has a fallacy going on. Like the suck it cost fallacy going on. Like he he made the bluff exactly. And now it's like I can't back out now.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

I made him get on this plane. He was terrified. There's a picture of me uh at the time I was wearing uh two different color neon shoes just because fuck it why not you know I was in that weird like phase where you just like did everything to like try try to get a little bit of attention. So I'm standing there got the harness on got my yellow and my my uh orange shoe on and he's standing next to me and he looks terrified he's scared out of his mind so we go through all the paperwork we go through all like the pre-flight like safety stuff and um I looked at Carl and I was like hey buddy did you pack your own shoe that's so mean. And he goes no why were we supposed to and I was like well I mean how are you gonna know if you know you you didn't pack it if it's gonna open no so we get on this so he also landed and needed a change of shorts he did great fucking love Carl he did such a good job. But we're up in this plane and he's like three people in front of me. So he's like getting off first. Right. So the entire time I'm like bro you're like four from from getting off you know they they send one they wait a few seconds they they circle they send another one wait a few seconds I'm doing this the whole time like bro there's five people in front of you. You know 30 seconds bro there's there's like four people in front of you like hey bro there's like three people in front of you we get the person that's like in front of him and I'm like hey dude like their shoes untied what do you think that means like what what happens if that gets stuck like they're gonna lose their shoe in midair they're gonna have like bare feet when they land he's terrified he's like freaking the clevering into freaking the fuck out and it's his turn and I'm like don't be a pussy and the instructor goes yeah pushes him out and I didn't see him till we got on the ground um and I'm cracking up and then the instructor like pushes me forward towards the door and I was like oh shit I'm about to jump out of this perfectly good airplane. Yep it's about out of this this just hit me this yeah it just hits you you're like there's a door open it's like a fucking garage door on the side of this airplane yeah and they're like okay now listen just dangle your legs out you're just gonna sit here and then we're gonna fall out of the plane and I say wait what we're gonna we're gonna what?

SPEAKER_01 25:16

We're gonna fall out of this airplane are you sure when I tell you that it this it was the scariest thing it was scarier than the divorce oh I might just for sure actually I I get I can speak on that because I have also jumped and 150% that moment you're at the door you're looking down you see ground and you're about to jump out of a perfectly good plane legs are dangling the air is blowing and like yeah because we're in a little baby bjorn with somebody strapped to his chest yep we get out there and all of a sudden all you can hear is the wind.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Yeah deafening it's the loudest thing I've ever heard we're free falling for just like a couple seconds he's like all right raise your right arm raise your left arm we turn right we turn left he's like all right pull the shoot and as soon as I pulled it it opens up and everything goes quiet and it's like the quietest I've ever like this the silence of this fall is deafening and it's beautiful like I can see the ground I can see for miles out sorry the dogs are freaking out I can see for miles it's almost surreal right because the ground looks like a a painting that you'd see in a museum and you're like this is my life now like this this moment is my life now this is where I need to be this is what I need to do and that was kind of my introduction to the yes man you don't know how good things can be until you experience

Stop Turtling And Start Living

SPEAKER_02 26:56

them. Yeah and you can't experience them unless you say yes yeah let's do it um so I'm I'm gonna go off on that I've I've continued to be a yes man I've gone to music festivals I've slept on the ground for five nights in thunderstorms to go watch EDM shows I mean I've gone every time somebody invites me to the lake to get on a boat it's the fucking best thing in the world you got friends out there on the water uh at beach trips like just say yes yeah and it will take you to places that you never thought you could go you'll experience things you've never thought you could experience and it will literally change your life I know one of the first things you do when you get divorced is hole up and shell off you turtle I call it turtling you basically go into your little protective safe space because that's what you've created get out there and do something uncomfortable it will literally change your life yeah and I think on that we're gonna let Matt give us more with words of

Quote And Final Push To Yes

SPEAKER_02 28:00

wisdom.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Alright well as always I got a quote here uh today is from unknown it says you're always just one fuck it let's try it away from changing your life take more risks and that's really what it's all about like getting out there take your risks and let's see what life has for us you never know if you keep saying no so go say yes never there's a there's a country music lyric that says uh when's the last time you experience something for the first time yeah oh yeah let's let's all kind of try to live by that guys yeah get out there go experience life experience life all right divorced dudes out of the