Perfect Match’s DeMari: Reacting to the Chaos

This week on He Said G Said, DeMari from Perfect Match sits down with Blake and G to talk about his side of the story. From villa drama to that explosive finale, nothing is off limits. 

Also: G and Blake share new wedding planning updates and answer your listener questions about relationships, dating, and everything in between.

Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

I think probably the hardest well, but I think the hardest conversation obviously had a three um at the mixer. Do you think the audience got the full story of what happened? Like after you've watched it now, or do you think there's still more you may like the audience to know, or um god Are you guys able to say no to dates? Like if sh if somebody was to ask you on a date, could you be like, no, I don't want to go?

SPEAKER_08 0:26

That's a great question. I was thinking question.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

He said what?

SPEAKER_06 0:34

No way she said that.

SPEAKER_04 0:37

It's time for these motherfuckers. Listen to me.

SPEAKER_05 0:40

Hello, my darlings, and welcome back to another episode of He Said G Said.

SPEAKER_06 0:45

Yes, we're back in LA. I think we never left. I feel like we're here quite often. We're back in the LA studio. Uh, and today we have a really fun episode. The final episode of Perfect Match just dropped. And today we're gonna chat with Damari. I feel like it's gonna be a great interview.

SPEAKER_05 1:00

Mr. Screen Time himself.

SPEAKER_06 1:01

Yeah, he was a star on this season.

SPEAKER_05 1:03

He had a lot of trials and tribulations thrown at him. Uh, but I'm so excited to hear about his side of the story and his whole experience on Perfect Match. Um, but before we dive into that, we have a couple of uh life updates.

SPEAKER_06 1:17

We do. I feel like we really haven't given too many yet. We've had star crossed straight into Alexa. We haven't really given a little insight into our lives and what we've been up to.

SPEAKER_05 1:26

And now's the time that everyone shuts off. Fast forward. Well, no, we uh this was like the craziest past couple of weeks. I mean, on top of having been home in total for like five days out of the month, eight weeks. Traveling with the baby, my mom was if do you guys remember Malady from Love is Blind season one? Who could forget her? Like throwing the book on the floor. Um, her and Blake are best friends now. Um, and anyway, it's just been a very, very crazy couple of weeks in the best way possible.

SPEAKER_06 2:00

We're not complaining at all. I've you know, I've been out on the road DJing, played Coachella, EDC Vegas, things like that. Well, you obviously went to the Kentucky Derby, which is super cool. I'm so jealous of that. I couldn't go. I had no surgery. I don't know if you can tell, but I had no surgery. A little swollen still.

SPEAKER_05 2:15

The comments are like, why does Blake's nose look different? Yeah, why'd he look different? He had a septum tautology. What would you what'd you get? Septoplasty. Septoplasty. Septoplasty. He couldn't, he literally couldn't breathe. It was brutal. Uh, and so in the middle of all of this, he got his septum fixed. Um, and we launched this, which has been just like such a blessing. Um, and in the middle of it all, just planning the wedding.

SPEAKER_06 2:42

A lot of wedding planning.

SPEAKER_05 2:44

A lot of wedding planning, a lot of getting ready for the wedding. Like, my body is sick and tired of me, y'all. It's like begging me to go to sleep. But um I feel like I've been I've been saying this a couple of times actually. Like, because when our friends asked, they're like, hey, like, how are you doing? Like, you guys are never home, like, congratulations on everything. And I'm just like, I feel like I'm just now used to running on a state of chaos, like constant chaos. And I feel like we've built up our lives slowly because like we always traveled, we always, you know, kind of led these like unconventional lives. And then now you throw the baby into the mix. Now you throw this like very official podcast and um like matchmaking show into the mix. And I feel like my whole life was kind of just beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep leading up to this moment. And I feel like CEOs like operate on this level where it's just like optimized, you know, waking up and efficient. I mean, you're you're disciplined like that. I am not I am not.

SPEAKER_06 3:50

She is not, to say the least. I'm very much getting there though, slowly but surely.

SPEAKER_05 3:54

I mean slowly but surely. I skyrocketed.

SPEAKER_06 3:57

That's true, that's true, that's true. I feel like you didn't have a choice. No, I didn't have a choice.

SPEAKER_05 4:01

Yeah, no, I like swimming, honey. I love I love like pressure, yeah. Uh, but I'm very much like a type B kind of person. And Blake is very type A.

SPEAKER_06 4:11

Oh, I don't know about very, but more type A. Oh no, you're not. I'm more type A than you, though.

SPEAKER_05 4:16

A little bit. Yeah, a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 4:18

We're getting married in like three weeks. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 4:21

That's wild.

SPEAKER_06 4:22

That's crazy. How do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_05 4:24

Do you feel like we're getting married?

SPEAKER_06 4:26

Oh, that's uh when do you so the first big thing for me was probably the suit measurement? That was like the first one because you've done the the dresses, the and we've done things, we've had a lot of meetings with our wedding planner, but I think the first like physical thing I did, other than obviously picking out our our rings, which was really cool, but even that we did together. The suit thing was like just me. And I was like, whoa, it's like happening, you know. It's like this is what I'm gonna be wearing standing up there, you know. So that was like a big moment for me. So yeah, I'm like definitely like you got to envision yourself. Yeah, exactly. It was a little different, and I enjoyed it, and I'm I'm excited. I'm super excited just for the whole experience from day so we can give it, it's gonna be in Europe. We're getting married in Europe, and we're doing like a full experience, I mean, three weeks basically in Europe. And I think the whole from start to finish just gonna be so fun.

SPEAKER_05 5:15

I mean, I'm definitely making we're definitely making it a banger. Um, and so the way that we travel is a little bit of everything. And so that's kind of how we planned it. And then when I realized, and we did the whole trajectory and we're like, yeah, this is totally doable. And then when I realized I was explaining this to people that have like never been to Europe before, I was like, oh yeah, you have to go here and then go there, like and take a ferry, and then take this, and then do that, and then and then yeah, three days here, three days here, I was like, oh, like I don't think people are used to this like we are, but I do know that I I planned, we planned everything very intentionally. Yeah, there's nothing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Uh we planned everything very intentionally, right? So like there's room to breathe, there's room to tour, there's room to spend time with us, um, there's room to really make it their own vacation on top of our wedding being the main event. Yeah. Um, and okay, I want to go back to that. You are excited? You really want to marry me?

SPEAKER_06 6:22

Yes, baby. I really want to marry you. And I really am excited. I'm excited for the day. Like, I think I'm excited to call you my wife. Like, that'll be fun because I feel like I always mess up and say girlfriend instead of fiance sometimes. Like, I'm just excited to be able to like call you my wife. And to have I'm gonna get emotional. To have Heath there is gonna be really special. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be so special. He's gonna be like matching me in my little his little tucks. It's gonna be the cutest thing ever. Um, so yeah, I think just the whole day is gonna be magical, and I think it's gonna be so fun. Super excited.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

I have so many things planned, and he has no idea.

SPEAKER_06 6:55

She won't let me in on a lot of these things. No, because at the end of the day, no, I don't, I mean, I'm not actually mad, but I like I want to No, I know you want to, which is sweet.

SPEAKER_05 7:03

Like, he's not the kind of guy that's like, nah, I don't want to know anything, and like, yeah, I don't care. Like, he wants to, but I feel like because I am like, I mean, hello, I have the vision, I'm particular, I know, I know what I want. And so if I'm already gone to the lengths of like organizing and coordinating and like talking to the wedding planner, like, why not just keep it a surprise? You know, like if it's already all I have to do is be like, oh, by the way, like I'd rather just let him enjoy it.

SPEAKER_06 7:30

Kind of like you reminds me of that. She reminds me of that. Have you guys seen that that uh scene in Friends where Monica to Chandler is like roses or lilies? And he's like roses, and she's like, roses or lilies, and he's like, Lilies, of course. You know, that's how I feel like you are. Um but yeah, no, I mean, I've I I we actually obviously went and looked at the venue, and like it's all gonna be amazing, and I can't wait. What do you look forward to the most about the wedding? Like, what are you looking forward to the most about that day?

SPEAKER_05 8:02

Um, I so I felt this when we did our engagement party. It was having everyone together and it being just like this burst of happiness, like just like so much joy. And a lot of people say this too, that like that's the most important part, obviously, like marrying you. No, but I actually completely agree. But do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 8:26

Yeah, you don't get very many times in your life where you get every my college roommates, my high school friends, my bachelor friends, my family.

SPEAKER_05 8:34

And they're celebrating you. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, they're happy for you, and then and then you get to and then we get to look at each other and be like, wow, like we we brought all these people together and like we have our son.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

No, it's really special. It was really nice. And my dresses, god damn, they're so good. I'm so excited for my dresses.

SPEAKER_06 8:59

I'm so excited if you're gonna die. You're gonna die. I know I am. Good luck.

SPEAKER_05 9:04

If you don't cry, you're gonna cry. You're he's a cry. I literally just almost cried just now.

SPEAKER_06 9:09

Yeah, of course I'm gonna cry. Are you kidding? I'm gonna cry the whole time I'm standing up there. Like he's gonna walk down, you know, and then like you're gonna walk down, and then like, yeah, I'll just be a mess.

SPEAKER_05 9:19

Have you started on your vows?

SPEAKER_06 9:20

Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_05 9:21

No, you haven't. Don't worry about it. Have you?

SPEAKER_06 9:23

Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_05 9:26

Is it in your notes app?

SPEAKER_06 9:27

I chat GP'd that shit.

SPEAKER_05 9:29

Yeah, I would know.

SPEAKER_06 9:31

Well, you know, I'm not a good writer, so I feel like if it's really good, you'd be like, that's fake. I feel like you're gonna be like, you don't know that word. So, no, no, I have started. You'll see, you'll see. Let's move on. I don't want to get to give away too much.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

Well, again, my vows are gonna rock your world.

SPEAKER_06 9:48

Yeah, of course. I'm gonna cry during my vows, I'm gonna cry during your vows. Yeah, I'll be a mess. I'm gonna need a towel.

SPEAKER_05 9:53

And we have like seven photographers, so we'll catch every single tier. Every tier I wonder if you guys would like to see us do a little mini baby, he said she said episode.

SPEAKER_06 10:06

From the wedding.

SPEAKER_05 10:07

From the wedding. From Europe. From Europe. So let us know in the comments. Yeah, let us know.

SPEAKER_06 10:12

We'll see.

SPEAKER_05 10:12

If there's enough demand, I'll if we have enough time.

SPEAKER_06 10:16

I don't care. I don't care how bad they want.

SPEAKER_05 10:21

We do have a lot of friends coming too. That would be fun on the pod. So many friends. Um, but yeah, yeah. I mean, this is definitely our chance to get you guys to know us on a personal level. Um, we want to share so much about our lives and bring you along and um and just kind of show us, show you guys like a little bit of what goes on behind the scenes. Um, we've been in this world for a little bit of time, quite some time. And um, we definitely want to hear from you as well. So we do have a couple of questions here.

SPEAKER_06 10:50

Yeah, you guys uh gave us some questions that you want, maybe some advice, maybe, um, that you guys want from us. I'm glad they think we're advice worthy, if you will. We have enough credibility. Yeah, yeah, we have enough credibility.

SPEAKER_05 11:04

We've been fucked up enough to know break through the coals. What are their white people sayings?

SPEAKER_06 11:10

No, that was perfect. Yeah, nailed it. I did it. Nailed it, honey, nailed it.

SPEAKER_05 11:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 11:13

Um, so yeah, we already got a few here. We got a few great ones, actually. So we're gonna go through a couple. Um, let me go first. Go for it. Okay. Uh, this one is from Natalie Kaye. What advice would you give people looking for real love after a heartbreak? We've been through our fair share of heartbreak.

SPEAKER_05 11:32

Fair share of heartbreak, but I would say the most powerful thing that helped me was, and this is what I learned during Love is Blind too, was I had to really love myself and like, okay, fine, heal from whatever wounds or traumas that led to the heartbreak. But I really just wanted it to like love me and like look myself in the mirror. And I like hung out with myself. Like I went on on solo dates all the time. I went on solo trips. I would sneak into the music festivals by myself. Like I really like became my own best friend in such a way that it really helped me heal. And I knew that eventually I wanted to fall in love again. And at that point, I knew exactly who I was. I had gone through so much growth and development and all of that that when I I knew that when I eventually would meet somebody, that I would know my worth so much. And like the self-love that I had for myself had to match the love that they were giving me. And if it didn't, like you can't give me something that I can already give myself. So that helped me just kind of of course feeling it. And but I'm I'm very quick to move on. Like I don't think.

SPEAKER_06 12:55

That's what you say that because I was gonna have a similar answer, but I was actually gonna say, don't move on fast. I was gonna say, like, I always say, because I I I have a tendency just in life to kind of brush things under the rug and not really address it. So I was gonna say my advice, and this is just advice, it doesn't work for everybody, but would be to sit in it. Like sit in that heartbreak. Like feel it. You know what I mean? Like feel the heartbreak, sit in it. Um heal, yeah, heal yourself, but take time to like mourn that relationship, you know. Don't necessarily be like, well, that was a waste of my time. Like, don't look at it that way. Um, I would say like sit in it, mourn it, learn from it. And then when you're ready, I think like that's what I was getting at was like, yes, take time for yourself. Um, I would say don't jump right into a relationship because sometimes when you do that, you don't fully heal.

SPEAKER_05 13:44

It depends though, because I've it it depends on your personality, right? So I I know a couple of like people that just can't be alone, you know, like they're like just jumping into relationship after and it's like okay, in that case, 100%, like take your time, mourn it, the whole thing. But then there are other cases that you hear of people like being in these relationships, and you're just like so happy that they're out of it, and then immediately it's like the universe like put that person in their path, and it's like the love of their life, like two months later, and the they're happily married, and the whole thing. So it really, I think it really just depends on your personality type, um, your attachment style.

SPEAKER_06 14:28

Yeah, you know, that's true, that's true. Oh, that was decent advice, Natalie.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

Natalie. Oh, did you go through heartbreak, darling?

SPEAKER_06 14:38

All right, you read the next one.

SPEAKER_05 14:40

This was pretty this was pretty good. Uh this one is from Lisa S. My boyfriend and I just moved in together after six years of dating. Longer than us.

SPEAKER_06 14:50

That's a long time.

SPEAKER_05 14:51

Yeah. I thought I knew everything about him, but after a month of living together, I started noticing strange behavior like late-night work calls, last-minute trips to the gym. And most recently, notice he started guarding his text messages whenever I look over at his phone. Anytime I try to question him, he gets defensive. What should I do? Well, Nat Lisa S. There's one real quick way to get to the bottom of this. Look through his phone, wait till he goes to sleep, use his face for the face ID thing, and open that shit up and read absolutely everything you can get your hands on. What would you say?

SPEAKER_06 15:30

That's one way to do it. That's one way to do it. Oh, I would say more like ask him before you get into his phone. I think you should have an open dialogue, be like, hey, sit down and be like, hey. I mean, the biggest red flag to me while reading that is the way he gets defensive. Defensive. That's why I go straight to the phone. So if you try to communicate, you try to ask him, hey, like, something seems off. Like, you know, do you want to talk something through or whatever? And then he gets defensive, then possibly find another way to find out. But in my opinion, in my history, I have some friends who are very women and men who have gone through something very similar. It's like we've been dating for six years, and all of a sudden, I don't like there's something going on, and then it turns out they're proposing. Oh. I've had that happen. I've had multiple friends who have done that and be like, something's off. Like, maybe I feel like she's gonna dump me soon. And then the next thing you know, they're engaged.

SPEAKER_05 16:22

So because guys are like zero stealth.

SPEAKER_06 16:25

Yeah, and I feel like I feel like I was acting a little weird before we got engaged, especially like that week. Because we got engaged in Spain. I remember that whole trip. I feel like I was acting weird because I was like nervous, but also excited, but also like didn't want to like give away too much.

SPEAKER_05 16:39

But you never got defensive, like defensiveness is a red flag.

SPEAKER_06 16:44

But what if he's he is texting like the photographer? You know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 16:48

The video How often do you have to text your photographer? Late night phone calls with the photographer, last-minute trips to the gym with the photographer? That's a really good photographer.

SPEAKER_07 16:57

That's fair, that's fair.

SPEAKER_05 16:58

Um, but no, I also think like, and okay, fine. I mean, when we moved in together, I was freaking out. You had like, you got like this kind of you got a little territorial. Like you were, and I know that this became came from like a past relationship. You guys moved in together and immediately like a flip switched. So I understood that this wasn't about me. I feel like you were working through some of your own baggage in that sense. But you he did kind of start going like well, this house doesn't look like my house anymore, like all this stuff.

SPEAKER_06 17:30

I went through a crisis for that.

SPEAKER_05 17:32

A little bit of a crisis. So maybe he's trying to use maybe, maybe you moving in together after six years was kind of like a little bit of like a hold up. Like, I can't do I still have my freedom in the way that I'm used to having it. Um, and maybe he's just kind of going about it in a weird defensive way. Uh so yeah, I mean, definitely ask him, but but a woman's intuition.

SPEAKER_06 17:55

Follow your intuition. That would be probably the number one advice. Follow your intuition. I feel like a woman's intuition is never wrong. It can be wrong. It's never wrong, but it's rarely wrong.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

It's never wrong.

SPEAKER_06 18:08

That'd be our advice for you, Lisa. Um, but yeah, we'll we love doing things like that. We love giving some advice. Um, so please send in your questions. Maybe we can help you out. Um the juicier, the better. Career, relationship, life, whatever it is. Parenting. Parenting. I know we're only two years into parenting, but we we we got some good advice, I think, for that. So especially new parents. Yeah, we keep sending those in, appreciate it. Parent questions.

SPEAKER_05 18:33

I feel very comfortable. For sure. Especially like newborn stuff, pregnancy stuff, pregnancy stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:41

So yeah. Send those in. And um, yeah, should we uh should we dive into some perfect match drama?

SPEAKER_03 18:49

Finally, with Damari.

SPEAKER_06 18:50

Can't wait to chat with him. Uh, so why don't we bring him in? Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, from Too Hot to Handle and the new season of Perfect Match. Please welcome Damari. Please guys, please guys.

SPEAKER_07 19:04

Don't get it, we don't get it.

SPEAKER_06 19:06

Thanks for being here, man. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_05 19:08

We were literally just watching you. This is great. We watched the cards.

SPEAKER_06 19:13

We watched uh we watched the finale. I'm not gonna lie about that. You were the star of the season. 100%. You got so much screen time over real. Like every time I was like, are you going on another day? Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_08 19:27

That's what happens when you win, man. Yeah, universe just kept on winning. Yeah, we were winning. Yeah, we were winning. I was like, if the last competition, I felt, you know, I'm a I'm a sore winner and loser. So I'm like, oh my gosh, and they rigged it. They rigged our thing. We were trying to get the way we actually lost.

SPEAKER_05 19:45

How do you feel now that it's finally out?

SPEAKER_08 19:47

Yeah. Um, I'm happy that like all the episodes are out now because I was like a little nervous, honestly. Just I I knew it was a lot of like controversy and like tough conversations that I had on the show. But still, all in all, like my family sees this stuff and they're so happy, you know what I mean? So I'm I'm like actually really happy and relieved that everything just came out, and like I don't really look like an asshole.

SPEAKER_05 20:10

No, and I was literally gonna say you navigated a lot of emotions really well. I would say having your ex on there, I can only imagine, like having that whole layer. We'll get into all that, but I thought that with so many layers, you did a really good job of just like keeping your composure.

SPEAKER_08 20:28

Thank you. I was I was I've worked a lot on that, but I was actually trying to. I'm like, if I start going off is with I had like I know when like uh they have a lot of emotions, you know, especially the women that I was dealing with. You know, so like if I start getting super emotional, it's like it's going nowhere, you know. But I did get frustrated a few times. I'm like, man, I don't know what you want me to do, you know what I mean? And um, especially in that environment, too.

SPEAKER_06 20:58

It's a human part of that.

SPEAKER_08 20:59

I think like that's the main thing that I've noticed was like that was a very human experience that I had in there, and that Marissa and I had, and Bree and I, even Kayla, she kind of snapped.

SPEAKER_05 21:13

Well, yeah, everyone's drinking the Kool-Aid, but okay, I I want to know some behind the scenes tea. How many days are you guys there?

SPEAKER_08 21:19

Uh we were there for exactly 21 days. Oh wow. That's solid. Yeah, yeah, but we also um had days where we weren't like filming, so we would go and like do like the interviews and stuff like that. Pickups and things. Yeah, so we were like actually not in the house together sometimes for pickups and all that type of stuff. Okay, that's kind of like all time.

SPEAKER_06 21:38

That's longer than paradise, I think. Actually, really? I think Paradise was 18 days if you got in your house.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

Our show was 18 days.

SPEAKER_06 21:45

Maybe it was long, maybe paradise is long, I just didn't make it.

SPEAKER_05 21:47

And it always feels like you've been in there for like a year, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 21:50

Yeah, I think it was actually a little bit less immersive than uh two out to handle was because we didn't have any outside access. Like I couldn't even know the time. So, you know, um uh perfect match, people are. Like brands and stuff that they're in contact with still. So you have to give them like 30 minutes or an hour a day on the phone. So I still was able to talk to my mom, like FaceTime my mom, my brother, and stuff like that every once in a while.

SPEAKER_05 22:10

I always opt out.

SPEAKER_08 22:11

Really?

SPEAKER_05 22:11

Yeah. I'm like, I don't want to see it. No, don't give me now. I have a baby. And so I'm like, well, now I would. Please. But like with you, when we were in the show, I was like, I don't want my in it.

SPEAKER_06 22:20

Yeah. Like feel all the feels. And I want to be like completely disconnected.

SPEAKER_05 22:23

Sorry about the honest.

SPEAKER_08 22:24

I needed a bit of a reset every once in a while. It was like three or four days. It was like intense in a row. Like big blow-up arguments in a row. So I was like, ooh. Let me talk to my family for a while. Yeah, I better center you a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally.

SPEAKER_06 22:40

So when filming actually wrapped, because I know it's like kind of like late last year, roughly, how did you feel once filming's wrapped to like where you are now? Like how did how did that feel after filming and wrapped?

SPEAKER_08 22:49

Honestly, I was just a little paralyzed. Really? Because it was a lot of emotion. Okay. A lot of emotion in there. And um, I just didn't know how it came off. Like, obviously, like a producer may come up to me and be like, yo, you handled yourself really well. You let everybody speak. You did what you were supposed to do. You didn't like curse anybody out or storm off or do any crazy stuff like that. So it was like Yeah, that, but also just being like a self-conscious person. I'm like some stuff I could have did differently. Like it's a few conversations in there where I'm like looking at it from the lens of like maybe what a woman may see, or even my mom or my brother, or something like that. Because I feel like I represented what a man would look like in these situations well and how it how we would uh interpret these things, but I definitely could have been a little bit more um emotionally in tune.

SPEAKER_06 23:38

I thought you did a great job, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 23:40

You feel like you were a little too aware?

SPEAKER_06 23:41

Yes, yeah, yeah. I feel like that comes too because you've been on a show before. So I think the second time, third time, however many shows you do, become like a little bit more aware of like what you're doing in the moment rather than just kind of living.

SPEAKER_08 23:53

Yeah, but like at the same time, it it was it was hard not to be in the moment. It was very hard not to be in the moment, but I was trying not to be like abrasive towards anybody in the situation, and like I wasn't actually taking a stand for myself in a lot of situations where I should have. I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_06 24:11

Okay, you almost held back a little, you think? Yeah, I see what you're saying. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

I think we can definitely relate to that. And I think you kept your cool quite often the times where I was like, man, I don't know if I could have Yeah, I think that well, now doing show having done, you know, a couple shows, I look at shows like Perfect Match and I'm like, how did they not just like scream at each other at the top of their lungs? Like, I can't believe I was that person, but I was season two. Yeah, but I was season one, you know? And then the other show that I did, like, well, yeah, I was a little, I'm always unhinged, but I I have that that mentality too. I'm like, how do they just not completely like lose their shit? Um, but it's kind of like, I mean, being in this industry, everyone chooses their poison, right? And you're just like, listen, I love this. I'm so happy for this opportunity. This is just part of the the gig, right? Of how do I wanna represent, you know, what what people like me look like, what mothers look like, what sons look like. So I think that overall it was beautiful. You did a great job. There was a little bit of myself.

SPEAKER_07 25:17

Please, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 25:19

Let's get into just how much work. We're gonna hop right in. Let's get them. So, yeah, how do you feel now that the news is out that Bree is in a new relationship?

SPEAKER_08 25:38

I don't really got a feeling towards it, man. Okay. We're we're not in a space where it's us or we're trying to work anything out or anything like that. Yeah, no, no, no. We're not in that at all. We haven't been. I wouldn't let it be. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 25:52

Uh, it's not like friendly.

SPEAKER_08 25:55

We're cool. Okay, okay. We're cool. Um I think it's still some stuff that needs to be done, but we're cool enough for it to be like when we see each other, we greet each other, you know what I mean? We may speak in um like our own conversations now, you know what I mean? So it's not like we got beef or anything like that. That that's been washed away. We fixed actually on the show. That was the first time we ever actually spoke since the breakup. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We never actually spoke.

SPEAKER_05 26:21

So I was watching, I was wondering, how long did you two date?

SPEAKER_08 26:25

So the show ended two out to handle and December of 2023, we lasted three weeks right after Christmas. She flew out there, didn't work out. She went back home, and we kind of ended it maybe like a day or two after she went back home. So it lasted literally like three weeks to the day. Wow, I would have guessed that. But but but but I'm gonna keep I'm gonna walk you through it. I'm gonna keep walking you through it. And then uh we separated, didn't actually speak for a while um until just about show launch of Too Hot to Handle. And we were dating for a little bit, maybe like a month in that time, like the show launch, all the stuff, and like all the drama of everything comes out, you know. I mean, she rewatches stuff that happens, I see stuff and just didn't work out. So that was about a month of us like dating, you know, like we weren't exclusive, like truly, truly exclusive or anything like that. We didn't put a label in on it or anything, and then that ended, and then we did it like four months in November to like it was like October to February, beginning of February-ish. So that was along of February 2025. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, solid on and off for a little history. Yeah, so it was like a good about five or six months of a year and a half, right? Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_06 27:41

I loved your line uh in the show where you're like, I don't know what it is, but I always seem to fight these feisty women. Oh you see, it's like calm stuff right now. You're like, I'm just calm.

SPEAKER_08 27:53

No, no, no. I it's definitely my fault. It's definitely I like I like it a little bit too much.

SPEAKER_06 27:58

I was just about to feel like you're the meme that's like you're right where you want to be. Right, yeah, yeah. Exactly. I mean, I gotta Latina over here, you know what I mean? Spicy Latina. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 28:10

But is that why you wanted to be on Perfect Match? Did you how did you get cast? How did you hear about it?

SPEAKER_08 28:15

It reached out to me. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. From two out to handle. Uh I got lucky, they just reached out to me. It was like, basically, do you want to be on it? Um, I was talking to a few producers and stuff like that. Just like um, I had a call and was just like, Do you actually want to do anything else? And I'm like, sure, yeah, I would do other stuff. And they were like, Well, Perfect Match is here if you want to do that. I'm like, I mean, I'm not doing anything, I'm not really dating anybody, so I can't.

SPEAKER_06 28:37

Did you know what Perfect Match was? Were you aware? Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_08 28:40

Yeah, so I almost did season three. Oh, okay. Uh Brienne and I almost did season three, but we started back dating, and they were like, They're like, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. We kind of we kind of fumbled the bag on that one a little bit. But they were gonna do the exact same thing as they did this time. Like it was the same story about to happen again, but it it wasn't as bad.

SPEAKER_06 28:59

I was saying it might have been a different story for sure. But so was it a quick yes for you for perfect match? Were you like, yeah, why not?

SPEAKER_08 29:04

kind of thing, or were you like um it wasn't a quick yes for them? So it took about six months, you know how long this stuff takes. Like it took like like six or seven months for them to like figure out if they were actually gonna say yes. So, like all throughout that process, I'm like, I don't even care if it happens, it does. And then I just forgot about it, you know, like whatever. And then they hit me up like as soon as I forgot about it, they hit me up like, oh, we're we're actually working on it. The season's about to start happening and all that stuff. And I'm like, okay, all right, I'll do it, whatever. Like, I'm I'm still chilling. But it does make it hard because you end up like possibly dating somebody, you know what I mean? It just ends up a part of the thing, like you're just talking to people or whatever, and stuff falls off, stuff happens, you know. Right.

SPEAKER_06 29:44

But well, especially now that we're like matchmaking, it's like sometimes we still see somebody like you know, hard launch somebody like, damn it, they would have been great for the show. You know, because it happens, it happens, right? Yeah, you can't really.

SPEAKER_05 29:55

But I also feel like when you know, when you stop thinking about it, stressing about it, and it comes at that right time, it kind of gives you more peace going into it where you're like, wow, so many things could have happened. So, like maybe I am gonna find my perfect match.

SPEAKER_08 30:09

Right, you know, you get a little bit hopeless romantic in there, yeah. Yeah, I tried.

SPEAKER_06 30:16

So you were obviously an OG, day one, right down there. Was there anybody you knew right away? Were you kind of like Allison?

SPEAKER_08 30:21

We um we kind of talked about that on the show. Yeah, yeah. We have like briefly met. I had briefly met Kayla, but I didn't really like it. Was like literally like pass by, hey, how you doing? Oh and we kind of walked away. Um, but Yame and we have a bunch of mutuals. Like, my best friend lives in LA and they had known each other before. So like I see him on like multiple people's stories, it's like other friends, it's all in the reality space, but those are like the only people that I really ever knew before. I I don't watch reality TV at all. Catherine. Catherine, what am I talking about? No, that wasn't OG day one, but yeah, that was later. But yeah, yeah, yeah. So I yes, yeah, yeah. But yeah, Catherine, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 30:59

I've actually known Catherine a while too. I met her in 2018. She's like a friend of mine. Yeah, it's way back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of crazy. Yeah, small world, this little reality TV sphere is like it's a small world, I swear. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:10

And you and Marissa had the opportunity to bring in the first singles, and your ex Brie was an option. Were you against bringing in Brie because you knew that you guys weren't on the best of terms? And also, did you have any idea that Brie was going to be on the show?

SPEAKER_08 31:27

I had no clue that she was going to be on the show, truly. Oh, wow. Truly. But like in the back of my mind, I'm like, well, we didn't actually punctuate this relationship that I that started on a show. It would make sense that they get the punctuation on screen. But at the same time, I'm like, I don't know if they want to be that messy.

SPEAKER_07 31:47

I don't know why the hell I thought that about perfect match.

SPEAKER_08 31:50

I'm like, I don't know if they'd be that messy. They seem cool, they seem nice. Like they wouldn't do me like that. Yep. Nope, did me just like that. Then there. But um, no, it wasn't because I thought that um we ended on bad terms. I'm winning. Like, I don't have to bring you in here. I don't want to like deal with like drama possibly. I don't I like you too. Like, I was actually enjoying my time with Marissa, and I'm like, I if we're struggling with people that I don't know in here and don't have any history with.

SPEAKER_09 32:22

Yeah, imagine somebody who didn't. Yeah, that's a good point. So that's that could be tough.

SPEAKER_08 32:25

And I don't know what the actual um how she was feeling in the moment. I breeze just feisty, you know. So I just don't know what was gonna happen. So I was just like, you know what? There's no point in putting a thorn in our relationship if they're if we don't need to.

SPEAKER_06 32:38

Oh no. And obviously, Marissa had like eyes for you right away, right the second she saw you. Did you feel the same? I felt the exact same thing. Really? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I felt the exact same thing. I love that feeling.

SPEAKER_08 32:46

So yeah. In the sense of like, this is the person that I'm most attracted to. As soon as she walked in, I don't know why they didn't show it, but like we literally were like bingo, like beeline to each other. That's it. Basically, yeah, so it was like we kind of did the same way. Oh, I like that. But yeah, so we um we beeline for each other, and then from there it was like she was kind of white on rice, you know. But it was just like us, I'm still gonna play the game, like I'm gonna talk to people and of course that stuff, you know. But I was definitely most interested in her and Allison, like I said on there. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 33:19

I always try to put myself in this in like your guys' position just because I was supposed to do season one of perfect match, and so you and I, if I would have gone on there, it would have been very similar. My ex was on there. Oh, and I'm just really happy that I didn't get you're welcome. It was literally because of him, but anyway, I do like I'm I'm very curious about how you handled yourself and how did that dynamic played out because I just find it really close to home. I'm someone that just like I I claim my territory, like I am very like loyal, and like I just I'm I'm very just like a lover. I'm a lover. And so is your personality kind of like acceptance of the environment around you where you're like, well, I really like Marissa, and like her and I from day one really clicked, but like she's making out with some dude right now. And is it like, do you have to just kind of morph into this accepting accepting person, or or are you kind of like fighting against like your instincts? Because I would be fighting against my instinct, like hardcore.

SPEAKER_08 34:20

For me, I'm not super possessive, and I'm not possessive over things that aren't mine. If it was like me and her came in here and it was like, uh, what's the what's the name of the Temptation Island? Oh my god, no, a little different. No, we're not doing that. Nah, I I couldn't last.

SPEAKER_05 34:36

That's right, that's why they're yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 34:38

I could I couldn't do that, couldn't do like an ultimatum or something like that. You know, it's just too much. I actually care about this person very deeply. So, like um time, energy, history, all that stuff really does make me like grow fonder. So maybe had I seen like Bree with somebody in there, maybe that would have sparked a little bit more. But at the same time, like Marissa and I had talked about being open, just about like we're closing it off, but it's like you go have a conversation if somebody you know, like um, or even when the whole Weston thing, like you know, if our um singles mixer went the right way, I'd probably kiss somebody too. Like it was a part of the game. If it's a part of the game, it's cool. Yeah, if you're just willy-nilly kissing people on the side, do it. Like, don't do that. Yeah, that's a little different. Don't do that. Please don't do that. I'm not, I'm not gonna be so forgiving for that. Yeah, yeah. But um, yeah. That makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_05 35:34

Yeah, it does make sense. I just like to hear it from like the horse's mouth because I'm just like, how would it work? How would I, you know, I always try how would I act? I got a little frustrated. This is not about me, it's about you. Uh, and specifically you and Marissa had a lot of power in the villa, and you guys won all the challenges, yeah. So many challenges and decided to send people home, um, which I agree with your decisions. Okay. But um, did you feel any sort of guilt sending it?

SPEAKER_06 36:01

Yeah, sending Chris, especially the one with like Chris over Jimmy.

SPEAKER_08 36:04

Right, yeah, and like us walking in from a great day. Yeah, it was like so romantic. It was like they had a drone flying past, and then they showed us the footage of the drone, and like you guys got to see it a little bit, but it was like so romantic off the side of a uh mountain in the middle of Mexico, but it was so beautiful, yeah. And then we come back to literal hell. Tell somebody home. It was hell. I was like stressed out. You could see it all over my face. I'm like deering headlights as soon as they start telling me because I'm thinking like maybe it's actually a real issue going on. Maybe somebody's family member or something is like hurt, or you know, just or somebody got hurt, or alcohol is involved. Maybe somebody did, you know. Um, but yeah, that was a really tough decision for me. But just Marissa made it make sense really easily. Like it was like, and I know she was like riding for Jimmy because like love is even said it when at one point she was like, I'm not sending Jimmy home.

SPEAKER_06 36:56

You're not like no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_08 36:59

I'm a part of this decision. If you can convince me to not send Jimmy home, then cool. But like I think in my heart of hearts, I knew that it was probably Chris just because of how quickly he kept matching with everybody, um, and how like head over heels, like the man told me thank you, like 50 times for bringing Kayla in. It's so cute, right? But like, and that's my guy.

SPEAKER_06 37:28

And what's funny is too watching it back, obviously, you see a little bit more even than what you saw, you know. And it was funny, he was always like, I'm in love, you know. Immediately like hand kissing bandit, man.

SPEAKER_08 37:41

I don't know what's up with him. He's looking at the kissing challenge, he was like doing it all on the arms. Yeah, somebody so not on camera. Um, we were all like off to the side talking about like the kisses and stuff, and somebody was like, somebody just kept kissing her arms. And like, I'm like, and I'm a person that calls everybody out and stuff. I'm like looking around, I'm like, that had to be crazy. I was like, I know it was crazy, and everybody just started laughing. It was absolutely crazy. That's funny. The kitchen challenges is so interesting. This is what's freaking out.

SPEAKER_05 38:18

I was like, I can't watch it.

SPEAKER_06 38:19

I was like uncomfortable watching you guys just like line up and make out with everything.

SPEAKER_08 38:23

Oh, like a little bit of a dermaphobe too. Oh no. So I was like heavy mouthwash after every kiss. Oh, kiss you didn't get to the top. There was like a moment before. I was like, people being intimate in the house too. Like, this is it was it was this season was a lot, I feel like.

SPEAKER_06 38:43

I don't think I don't remember that last season really that much, like intimacy and stuff.

SPEAKER_08 38:47

I don't like this season. They didn't really show up before.

SPEAKER_06 38:49

Like you could see like some, yeah, the finale with like Allie and uh sheem. I was like, oh okay, okay, Allie. Yeah, we love Allen. Yeah, she's great.

SPEAKER_08 39:03

She had a blast. Hilarious. Watching her too, like even the scene where she like opened the door and was like, I love you. Oh yeah, she's so funny. Yeah, she's so funny.

SPEAKER_05 39:13

No, she goes head first. She's good, she's good. Um, and you also had another friend in there, Catherine, from who we Kit Kat, who we talked about already, uh, from Too Hot to Handle, who you decided to bring back into the villa. Do you wish you explored that connection a little bit more?

SPEAKER_08 39:29

It was edited like that, honestly. Okay, we weren't like the only way me and Kit Kat would have matched is just to keep her in the house. Like we ain't got that type of relationship. Okay, that's literally like like a best friend. Okay, we're just close. Um, it wasn't it wasn't like that. She's a beautiful girl. Don't get me wrong, it's not like something that like I would have been opposed to if had it not just like bloomed into this really beautiful friendship. But at this point, I don't I don't see it as something like that.

SPEAKER_06 39:55

Interesting, because yeah, I mean it did watching it. I was kind of like, wait, why don't they give it a shot? Maybe you know, because I was like, wait, watching it, but yeah. I love that.

SPEAKER_08 40:04

I don't know why we didn't like or haven't ever thought about it, but like we just did it.

SPEAKER_05 40:08

Yeah, I feel like you guys had friend zoned each other a long time ago. Do you know what I mean? And and that's comfortable.

SPEAKER_06 40:15

Well, not I'm a firm believer in men can have women as friends. Like I believe that. She doesn't believe that, but I believe in that.

SPEAKER_05 40:21

I'm not, I mean, yes, okay, we can, but I do feel like after a certain point, something shifts. Uh and it's either one person, it's either the man or the woman. I feel like the curiosity kind of starts to kill the cat a little bit.

SPEAKER_08 40:36

So you don't have any men friends?

SPEAKER_05 40:38

No, I do.

SPEAKER_08 40:39

Oh, so you can.

SPEAKER_05 40:41

No, you have you have women friends. Okay, I was just wondering how are you just doing. But specifically, okay, you really want to know the tea? Okay, specifically, people that we already have history with, right? Like I don't exes. I don't I don't think being friends with exes is a real thing.

SPEAKER_08 41:03

No, no, no. It's fair, that's fair. You guys done just to clear that up. You both are ugly. You both are ugly, guys. There's no way like going back into a like a true friendship where like if it's a memory of something like that happening before, it's no, no, that's fair. It's not gonna work.

SPEAKER_06 41:19

So we took we've talked a little bit about your experience, and there were there were moments when you're frustrated and it was it was a lot at times. What made you keep going back to your connection with Marissa? Like, what made you be like, Yes, I'm gonna connect, I'm gonna match with her.

SPEAKER_08 41:32

Um, honestly, it doesn't show on the screen and like it bothers me sometimes because like Marissa is really good at like understanding that she did something wrong and like pinpointing exactly what it was and fixing it the next time. So like I hate that it just shows that side of her. Like when I'll say something to her, like, or we'll just have a conversation about something, she's so curious, she asks a million questions, this and I do the same for her. And it was just like okay, well, if you can do that, I can have in a disagreement with you, and we can move forward from that. That's the type of relationship that I want. If we just are both here just butting heads the whole time and nothing happens, like it's a few, it's gonna be like that in the moment sometimes. I'm not unrealistic, I'm a real person, you know what I mean? Um, and it gets ugly like that sometimes. Not like we're cussing each other out or anything crazy. We just disagreeing.

SPEAKER_06 42:29

So she's very she's like very self-aware of that.

SPEAKER_08 42:32

Very self-I mean, obviously, like obviously very self-aware. She literally self-diagnosed herself in the middle of a you know what I mean. Like she's like that good with it, with pinpointing those things, and I'm not saying that she's gonna act on it properly all the time, but she knows what it is and she understands, like, yeah, this is how I am a little bit, but I am trying to change these things, and um, that was like an amazing trait. I don't I hadn't had that before in people. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:57

I I picked up on that because I feel like I'm very self-aware. Um and she I admired how she would literally in and this is something that I don't do in the moment. That was kind of crazy, she would be like, No, I'm I'm I'm I'm emotional. I I want to do this right now. I want to like start yelling, but so I need a moment. I'm gonna step away. And like to be to be able to do that in the moment in that talent. Like, I'm going to therapy to figure that out.

SPEAKER_08 43:27

I admire that because like sometimes my brain will just shut down. Like, I can't talk anymore. Like, even on there, I was like, I just don't have the energy for this anymore. That was like an hour argument, yeah. But like, still, like, I don't, I'm not able to get myself out of that funk so quickly to where I'm like, okay, I can pinpoint these things. And um, I really enjoyed that about her. And she's funny as hell, like, goofy. She, like I said, she's very inquisitive and just like has like such a bubbly personality, like almost like a motherly type of personality where she's um able to be that, be something for. Everybody in the place, and I really enjoy seeing stuff like that in a person. I'm just like, I could see myself growing with that, you know?

SPEAKER_05 44:07

Nurturing. Yeah, yeah, very nurturing. I love his blind girls.

SPEAKER_08 44:11

Oh boy, she's good. I'm like, you guys are good at that stuff. I was like super love girl. Like it was perfect for you because you're like, I'm head over heels immediately. Like, this is what we're gonna do. And I can see you're a little more chill like that too.

SPEAKER_06 44:22

I'm not on the calm. I get the feisty women as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The head over heels, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:27

Well, she's really good with communication, but you guys did have some communication problems in the in the villa. Um, what do you think you guys struggled with specifically?

SPEAKER_08 44:38

I was more open to the experience than she was. And I maybe I didn't articulate that well enough. Uh, but it was like as it's happening, and like things are happening, and like go and kiss Weston, or you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, what the hell am I being so closed off for? And then we end up in a spat about something, but it's actually like underlying things here, you know, that we aren't fully talking about. Um or even just the drama in the house is both empaths, so the drama in the house is affecting our stuff. So it's like all these different factors end up affecting us in a situation. Like the first argument we had when we look back at it like that night, she was like, yo, because we talked about it a little bit even in the conversation, but it's like a 45-hour-long conversation into two minutes, and she's like, Man, McKenzie just got kicked out. Like, that was like my dog in here. I really loved her, and she literally just left right before that. And they were like, Yo, y'all the last ones, we need y'all to rush in, like, say why you like each other.

SPEAKER_06 45:41

And the audience doesn't really get that, obviously. They don't get on a show. No, 100%. Yeah, they don't get that. Everything affects you in that environment, and one little thing can impact your guys' conversation or your guys' relationship either. So, yeah, yeah, totally. Completely understand that. And you did have a lot of tense conversations. Like, I feel like every episode I was watching, I was like, I was like, damn, every time I put that through the fucking ringer, bro. Oh my god, yeah, you were, man. You were put through the ringer. But I think probably the hardest, and you handed it well, but I think the hardest conversation obviously you had with Bree um at the mixer. Do you think the audience got the full story of what happened? Like after you've watched it now, or do you think there's still more you'd you'd you know, maybe like the audience to know? Or um how long you got?

SPEAKER_07 46:23

Maybe it's all in your cut that up. All right.

SPEAKER_08 46:29

Um I mean, obviously not. Like, you can't get the full scope of it. They did a really good job of like allowing me to speak my piece because she's been on podcasts, she's done all the things to make sure that her part of the story has been told. But in that time, nobody reached out to me to even see my side at all or even wonder it. So the story that was taken was just the story that was given. But it was like, like, even Pete, like the podcast that um had her on. I'm like, you don't truly care about journalism if you're not gonna actually get both sides of the story, at least, or even offer to. Yeah. Maybe I wouldn't even win on that fuck ass podcast, but like at the same time, you know what I mean? Like at least offer to be like, well, somebody's kind of talking about you and your family and stuff like that. Oh wow. There was one podcast that she went on. I can't remember the name of the podcast, and I I wouldn't like to give them any public, like, but um they like the host of the podcast, she was talking about me online the other day, and she was like, literally, like, um, he's not doing anything wrong, so I can't blame this on like blame what's going on on him, but like I hate to agree with the man because I hate men. Oh, yeah, and I'm like, well, like, what are we doing here then? Like, I hate to even try to like get you to understand because you don't want to. You have a wound that you don't want to heal, or even try to think about another perspective. So it's like stuff like that. Like, like I said, that's why I'm like, I probably wouldn't even went on there, but at the same time, still you didn't even try. You don't even think about it. You stand for something so heavily that you don't care to try to even see the other side, but whatever.

SPEAKER_06 48:08

Good old reality TV, man. Tunnel vision, man.

SPEAKER_05 48:12

Uh, well, something a little bit more fun. Kayla invited you on a date. Were you seriously considering matching with Kayla when you got back to the villa that night?

SPEAKER_08 48:21

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I was absolutely considering uh matching with Kayla that night, and that's why I wanted to talk to her more. Like me and Marissa were having a really good connection, but it wouldn't have if that completely separated us, where like maybe she matches with Weston and they see how that works, and maybe I match with Kayla that night and see if we're like, damn, I miss you or not. I was willing to look into it, but me and Marissa were so like tunnel vision before that it was like it's not really there. Was no even not even thinking about the possibility, you know what I mean? Like for me, I was like, Well, I at least want to go talk to her some more and see if like our conversations continue to be like this. I'm like, like, she's cool. We had like a really good date, it was really good. Like, we were um talking about everything. Like Kayla's one of my really close friends now. Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_06 49:16

I feel like she was pretty popular in the village. Like, I feel like a lot of people liked Kayla down there. Like she was pretty popular.

SPEAKER_08 49:21

I I agree. Yeah, she's uh I talk shit all the time, so that's like like one of my love languages, just like talking shit, you know. And the first thing we said to each other, like uh Kayla came in and she was she told me she was from Portland, and I was like, ew. She's like, the fuck? The fuck? Where are you from? I was like, I'm from Indianapolis, and she's like, ew. Okay, all right, I like you. No matter because we did write each other off immediately, like kind of friend zoned a little bit because she saw I was with Marissa, and like I'd know her ex. And we're like we've hung out before, so I'd it's a little it's kind of a I wouldn't say it's a similar exactly situation to Catherine and Charlie, uh, because they were both on the show and I watched that whole thing, and um I know them, you know. So I'm I'm still like a guy's guy. I'm not just gonna overstep that boundary just because now if it was something real, maybe but Kayla, I felt she stood on business.

SPEAKER_05 50:19

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:20

How did you feel about that when she just was like, you know what? I'm out. Like you haven't talked to me tonight, I'm out. Like, yeah, I I respect you. She should have.

SPEAKER_08 50:26

Yeah, she should have. It was over three hours of me and Marissa going back and forth with arguing and doing that stuff. And I hadn't had a chance to talk to Kayla because I'm in the middle of an argument. Like, I can't just leave this conversation and be like, fuck this. I'm about to go and just talk to this girl. She probably walked up in the middle of it, like, fucking. She probably like I mean, we've seen it. But like rightfully so. And if I maybe if I saw that, I'd have been like, um, well, actually, I don't know if I would have. I let people do what they want to do just to see what they want to do. Yeah. But yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:01

Turn their character a bit.

SPEAKER_06 51:04

So obviously, Kayla, after I've been actually doing this. We saw you learn that in the middle of the so obviously, once Kayla kind of stood on business, if you will, she uh she matched with uh Weston.

SPEAKER_08 51:19

By the way, I told her that we weren't gonna match.

SPEAKER_06 51:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 51:22

Like, that was my conversation with her. I'm like, I don't feel like it's even right for me to have you waiting here all night and try to come and match with you at the last minute. That's not fair. I didn't even talk to you at all tonight after our great date that we had, you know? And she just reiterated that, and that's what they put on. Gotcha, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_06 51:39

Okay, that was that's respectful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's interesting because I was wondering, I was like, do you feel like you mishandled it? But apparently they didn't show how you handled it.

SPEAKER_08 51:47

I still feel like I mishandled it because I should have had a conversation with her, still, like, I'm not in a relationship. Why am I arguing for three hours? You know, that's what she was kind of.

SPEAKER_05 51:57

Exactly, exactly. Yeah, she pinned, and I like it when the fourth wall kind of gets broken down a little bit between just like, yeah, what the audience is thinking, what the participants are thinking, and she immediately called it out. She was like, You're not even in a relationship, like you guys aren't married, like what's going on?

SPEAKER_08 52:15

And I'm like, you know what? Yeah, you're right, yeah. And I I actually got upset and uh talked to Marissa after that. Um, I haven't had a chance to fully watch the episode. That's a lot, man. No, that's a lot for me. Oh, I can learn. I know I didn't watch my own. So it's like getting to that point, I was like a little nervous, even thinking of it coming out. So I haven't gotten a chance to watch all of it. But um, after that conversation me and Marissa had, I'm like, yo, this whole thing that we just did for this dance that we did for three hours just made me not even be able to at least have the conversation with her to see if I wanted to actually match with her, match with you, or even address it correctly. Like, I just didn't feel like it was right. And she didn't understand it at first, of course. Yeah, but eventually she was like, damn, I I really did kind of take away from that part of the experience for you.

SPEAKER_06 53:06

She's very self-aware. Like, I mean, good for her. Cause honestly, I don't know if she necessarily came across like that in the in the edit in the show. It would happen later. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 53:16

Like stuff like that. She would take time to think about it, and then we would come back and gotcha convene.

SPEAKER_06 53:21

You know, because there were definitely moments, and I remember saying to Yuji, I was like, I can't believe they're matching again. Like, there are definitely moments like that where I was like, Man, they they seem to be argumentative a lot and stuff, but you always came back, and I guess that's because you guys are both pretty self-aware and you would come back and figure it out, which is great for a relationship.

SPEAKER_08 53:37

Yeah, we both would do it. Like, I'm giving her that kudos, but I'm doing the exact same thing. Like, yeah, I I could have been more gentle in the situation. Um, I didn't have to just completely cut it off, or you know, like whatever. We just both end up seeing eye to eye on something later. Whereas um when the camera turns off, usually like our more deep part of those conversations happen. So she doesn't get that justice or that due diligence where it's like where you see like the emotional maturity kind of thing. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:06

So I do have a uh a question to this too, because that is something that I was thinking when I was watching. I was like, okay, and because I also lived it, um do you want to be arguing that much that early?

SPEAKER_07 54:20

Hell no.

SPEAKER_06 54:22

Hell no hesitation.

SPEAKER_08 54:24

Um yeah, that was one of the things that did kind of start to make me open my eyes to more people. Once I just saw it keep on happening, I'm like, I can work with that, but we're working like I had to snap out of it, like break the fourth wall myself because I'm so immersed in the experience. I had to break that fourth wall and be like, well, it is other people here. We don't have to be together. Um, and even though I do like you, maybe it's not working. And I think she kind of did. Well, I don't know. I feel I feel like it was still a little bit more like a trying to get me jealous thing. But she was she liked she was pretty like you right away.

SPEAKER_05 55:03

Like, yeah, there was that kiss with Weston. I don't know if you can fake that kind of kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_08 55:09

No, she liked Weston, she did, she said it too. Like, um, when we were off camera before, she was just like, Yeah, like talking to him and stuff, that would be the type of guy that I would have dated outside of here. Like, if I if you weren't in here first, I probably would have dated Weston in here, you know? And I'm I get it, yeah. I get it. Is somebody's chemistry is just so strong like that. And Weston's a really good talker, he talks in parables, like this guy is it's it's all quotes, his whole body, all look at his tattoos, all of them are some type of quote or a cross. Like he got like 18 crosses on them.

SPEAKER_06 55:41

Motivational speaker. I was like, he got me like on the exact one. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:44

Blake was like he Weston said something, and I just hear Blake go, huh? And I'm like, did he get you?

SPEAKER_06 55:52

Do you do you fear failure? Do you fear failing in front of people?

SPEAKER_08 55:54

I was like, dang, and when you ask those type of questions, um 12 seconds into meeting someone, does it you know? Like, all right, Weston, you can't prepare an art.

SPEAKER_06 56:07

But he thinks like that. He really does. He really does. He really does. So as if you hadn't been through enough, they decide to bring Bree back. What was going through your head at that point, especially when she chose you? Like, what was going through your head?

SPEAKER_08 56:22

When she I had I had, I was like, I talked to Dave before they went, and Dave was like, We got you, bro. Don't worry about it. Like, you know, we got you. So I'm like, so I'm chilling. I'm like, okay, cool. Like, you know, I'm be fine. They're not gonna pick her. Maybe they'll pick somebody else. But has it kept like when they came back in, they wouldn't look me in the eyes. Oh no. And I'm like, You motherfuckers. Like, no, you didn't. And they said like the story building up to like who they picked. And I'm like, oh my heart is like, yeah. Um, she comes in, and I'm like, I couldn't do anything but laugh, but it ended up being okay.

SPEAKER_05 57:04

Yeah, well, especially because you have to do something so intimate on camera.

SPEAKER_08 57:08

Like that was my thing. We could have had these conversations off of camera before, and I was willing to have those conversations, but like I'm not gonna initiate that. I didn't even start the bad blood part of it. Like, when we initially ended, um it wasn't a great situation, obviously. Like um, it was very soon after like her grandmother passed. My aunt had just passed as well. Um, and it wasn't like it wasn't a great situation, you know. And um it was like a month after her grandmother passed or whatever, and like I was trying to be there for her, and I just didn't feel like she wanted me there. Um and that really made it hard. And like I'm not gonna super duper go into detail because there's no point. She's moved on.

SPEAKER_06 57:50

Do you think you got closure? Do you feel like you got closure with that conversation?

SPEAKER_08 57:54

Yeah, for the most part, yeah, for the most part. I think it it only so much could be spoken about in that time and in that way, and possibly thinking about what they might air, what they might not air. Uh I just don't want to get in the mud too much. But we definitely had an understanding, and I think that was the most open that we probably had ever been with each other in a sense of like I see you as a person, you know. And that was a thing that I would have liked for it to be in the relationship. But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:25

Wow, who would have thought you would have gotten that on perfect match when you signed up?

SPEAKER_08 58:28

Right. That's what I was thinking. So I'm like, man, well, worst case scenario and best case scenario happened, you know? Like totally, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:35

Full full on experience. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 58:37

That's what I was saying. Like, it felt like such a human experience. I don't even know if I answered the question. Did I answer it? No, yeah, yeah. Okay, all right, yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 58:44

Just out of curiosity, because I was wondering while watching, are you guys able to say no to dates? Like, if if somebody was to ask you on a date, would you could you be like, no, I don't want to go? That's a great question. I was asked an amazing question.

SPEAKER_08 58:57

Okay, so Marissa and I both won the first two challenges. They had a um thing, I don't know what to call it. Like it was like a sidebar thing, right? We could go, we could go and talk to anybody. If we wanted to go on dates right before when everybody's sitting on the chairs where they pick who's gonna go on a date, Marissa and I can either accept that we're going to go before they actually pick someone or that we refuse. We refused both times. That's why we didn't get picked. Uh I remember us talking about it, like Cassie said, I mean, I was the most interested in you, so I was probably gonna pick you, but you said no. Um and then Kayla knew I was locked in, you know. So it was like, I well, I wasn't gonna pick you because whatever, you know. Um, and her and Chris were talking for like eight hours. My guy talks a lot. Oh Chris, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:47

Okay, yeah, that's what she because I know because I politician coming from paradise, we we were able to say no to dates and they would show it. So that's interesting, yeah. That's what I was just wondering.

SPEAKER_08 59:56

I don't think I had the option for the last date. Okay, well, probably not.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:01

Yeah, I think you guys owed it to yourselves too to do that one. But with you and Marissa winning so many challenges and being so uh open with each other and just how you guys evolved on a show. Are you surprised that you guys didn't win perfect match?

SPEAKER_08 1:00:19

No, you see what was going on? Hell no, we better not be one. Oh my god, we better not have one. Um, if we won the last challenge, I feel like then maybe I would have felt snubbed just because we won everything. You know what I mean? Like, oh my god, but it was a little toxic, man. Like it wasn't fun to watch or be a part of when like other castmates seeing it, and that's who has the votes, you know?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:44

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:46

You know who I would have got wish would have gotten some time? Danny. I don't think you like he was on the cast as well, but he didn't actually get into the show. You have me. You're awkward, you're awkward.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:03

Yeah, lean me up, clean me up, clean me up. Um, but yeah, that's you like Danny.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:07

I liked it because I think it because okay, it's very he's very like white boy, like my man's from like the the middle of the mountains, like you know what I mean? So I feel like I kind of like saw a little bit of like the same aura where he's like funny and just like uh doesn't really care. He he doesn't yeah, he didn't care at all, and he was just like, I'm me, and he's like naturally charismatic, which is what you are, but like I don't know, I just saw that you guys like the cousins or something.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:36

Yeah, I I completely agree. Like, I was scared for Danny sometimes for like the stuff that he would just say in a random conversation, like you you know you're on you're on TV, like relax, Danny. But that's the best people for reality, you know?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:50

That's funny, yeah. But you know what you're saying. Like there's a camera cool. I like that. Relax. Do you think Sophie and Dave were the right choice for for the to get the dub?

SPEAKER_08 1:02:02

I think Dave and Sophie had a very real experience where it was like they tried dating other people, um, but they really picked each other while trying to date other people at the end, you know? And um their charisma together, like I thought I could see Dave and Sophie being like 30 years down the road, you know. Like I really felt like that in there, but I also felt like that about Jimmy and Allison. I picked Jimmy and Allison because it just felt real, it felt like but I was scared for them because that the way that they did that, that uh part of it, like they did it a little better, but they reminded me of Brie and I.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:42

And I was like from like two watch handles, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:45

Uh-huh. And I was like, ooh, guys, slow down.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:48

Yeah, please, before you crash. So as an odd from the audience perspective, I agree. I thought Jimmy and Allison were like right endgame.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:57

They they literally didn't they didn't interact with anybody at the um the mixers, mixer, yeah. They were like very much.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:04

He was so locked in cheeks, and she was the same way at the the other, the mixer, yeah, the men's single mixer. How sweet. Yeah, they were.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:11

We that's I remember because we were like, they they they were shown, but not so much, and it's because they were on problematic and happy and unproblematic the entire time.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:19

I'm like, not great for screen time, great for connection.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:22

Right. She wouldn't even play truth or dare.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:24

She wasn't doing anything. That's hard. She kept saying truth, truth. Yeah, yeah. He was he was basically doing the same thing, and like people were getting mad at him because he got the thing, the bottle spun on him like four times.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:33

I'm like, man, spin this bottle of me.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:36

Let's get let's let's actually, or somebody that'll participate, you know. Like everybody was so like timid and scared. And I'm like, well, why didn't y'all have the conversation of are you gonna play the game or not? Now, outside of it, geez, like relax, guys, but you're you're playing a game at the end of the day. Like, you guys aren't married.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:53

Yeah. Well, at one point I remember even saying, like, man, the men are really respectful this season. Last year? Oh my god, yeah. You said that.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:03

Yeah, I was like, wow, the men are like really serious this year.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:05

Were there any scenes you know you watch back? What was the hardest scene for you to watch the of the ones you've you have?

SPEAKER_08 1:04:10

It was really hard for me to watch that first argument with Marissa because I I couldn't tell if I handled it wrong, but I also was like looking at comments and all that stuff, and like that kind of threw me through the loop. And I'm like, I handled it the best that I could, bro. Like, but whatever. Um, and obviously they don't see everything, but hard for me to watch the the mixer conversation. That's that's tough, that's a tough conversation, and also seeing the kiss between Brie and I at the kissing challenge, that was actually more hard for me to watch than I thought. That was a pretty intense kiss. It was a very intense, yeah. Very passionate.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:48

I love how she was like, I'm gonna get him.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:50

And then you're like, I'm gonna give her a fuck you kiss. And I was like, that looked like a I love you.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:55

And then the end of it's fine line. But yeah, at the end of it, she was like, Oh shit. She was yeah, she went in there not thinking of it. She was like, dang, it's still there, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:07

We we both were like that. Because before um, when we started the challenge, I'm thinking we're about to like eat the bugs or whatever. And um, and that would have kind of been fun still. I wanted to see everybody like Marissa's like, I can't do it, I can't do it, I can't do it. But anyway, um, we're like standing there and they walk in. I'm like, Marissa, I'm not kissing her. Like, I'm gonna tell the production I'm not kissing her. And then like last minute, I was like, fuck that. I'm a kisser, you know. Yeah, I was like, I gotta give you, I gotta give you the the one that you miss, you know. Yeah, yeah. Like, yeah, you think about yeah, not many people. I guess I say about that.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:44

But I feel like not many people get to like kiss their ex like that. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:48

Like a final like But did you know it was her? Like, could you yeah of course after dating?

SPEAKER_08 1:05:53

Of course. She's tiny, like that's true, too. It it's a little it's a way to cheat it. Like you can kind of touch people and like you know. The only person that I probably didn't know was Catherine. Oh, didn't know. Well that I guess that's but we we like looked at each other after it was like Portland?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:11

Ew.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:13

I do have a question because you talked about that first conversation you had with Marissa or our you know argument. Argument um when it when she talked when you mentioned how like she makes you feel comfortable and she was kind of like seemed like she had some trauma with that. So I saw both sides. Yeah. Um when you watch it back, do you do you now see both sides? I absolutely but in the moment you were like, what the like you clearly were like, what is that?

SPEAKER_08 1:06:36

I'm I would have been like why was it such a big reaction? That's why I was like, like, damn, I'm just telling you, like, you make me really comfortable. I really like the type of relationship that we're building here because it's only been like six or seven days at this point. I'm sorry, no, yeah, no, no, no, no. Oh man, we're almost 30. I'm almost 30. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Uh but yeah, see. Um, so I was just confused. I'm like, I don't have a lot to base this off of trying not to be shallow, you know, like trying not to be like, oh yeah, you look good, like all that stuff. And I went a little too far into it and made it about myself, then just telling her attributes about herself that I really enjoyed.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:23

That's I I know you obviously weren't like trying to, yeah, exactly. You weren't like trying to be like all about me and selfish. You were just kind of trying to explain. I think the first time I watched it, I was kind of like, why is she freaking out? I was like, this seems over the top. But then I watched it again. I was like, clearly, she's had people in her past she mentioned it too. She had somebody in her past who like only liked her because of the way she made men feel. And I was like, Oh, I guess I get it now.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:47

That's a big thing for women too. Like men being like, um I like you because you make me you make me want to be a better man or something like that. I was like, no, you need to be that for yourself first. So I wasn't trying to say it like that. No, and I don't I hope it didn't come off like that, but I understood.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:04

I mean, I I when I see kind of like a big reaction come out of nowhere, whether it's like edited or not, I can immediately tell if it was brought on by you or if that's baggage.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:17

And I felt like that was baggage. Just because you can kind of see it in her face, kind of just like I think she kind of went for a little bit.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:23

Yeah, it was like she disassociated immediately. Yeah, exactly. And called it out.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:29

I was like, this is a this is something that she's dealt with before. And when you're in such an incubator like that, you're really just so hyper aware, yeah, and you catch on to all these things, and like your traumas are just really. I mean, reality TV is therapy.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:41

Yeah, it really, it really is the two how to handle. It helped me so much. Um I cried, I don't cry often. I cried on television, I was like trying to hold the tear back, and it just like fell out of my face. I was like, fuck, like I was so mad that it actually came out, but it really did help me. It helped me with like wounds that I didn't even know I had. And even looking at this too, I'm like, damn, maybe I am being a little bit more selfish and a little self-centered in some ways. Um, and I feel like we all can improve. So watching this stuff back, it's hard because like there are things that I can't improve on. And I'm a very like self-aware person, like I'm not just gonna knock it out.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:21

That's why it's so hard because it's a literal mirror of yourself.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:25

Like, I feel like that was like um me and Marissa's main thing was like we were just mirrors towards each other, you know? And I'm like, okay, I see what this thing is, and we we talked about that while we were in there a little bit too.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:38

What does your relationship stand today between you and Marissa?

unknown 1:09:41

We're cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:43

We got the double thumbs. We got the double thumbs. We're great. Uh no, um, we uh we actually are friends. We're friends, yeah. Um after we just kind of let it be. Really? So you once you left Villa, you guys weren't dating? No, not at all. Gotcha. Okay. We spoke a little bit, but we weren't we weren't dating at all.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:02

You guys didn't try to date? No.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:05

Okay. So now that perfect match is over and two out to handle, obviously, what was your like what did you enjoy more? What experience do you feel like you got, you know, more out of each?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:17

Um well, obviously I won two out to handle, so but but um I enjoyed perfect match more. Oh just because it was like go hoop, roll the ball out. You know what I mean? Like you get to talk to whoever you want to talk to. You can basically do whatever you actually want to do. Um, and also I don't get fined for a fucking kiss.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:40

Like that's right.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:42

I was in there smooching. That's very true.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:46

I guess I would like Burke Batch Martin.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:48

I always say it looks like such a fun show to be a part of. Yeah, like it's very like there are some rules, obviously, you have like the whole format of the show, but overall it's fun.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:58

The cameras are run and gun. Like, I really enjoyed that about kinetic. So on um with Fremantle, they would have it set up. So maybe you guys are sitting there, and that's the only angle they're shooting this thing at. Oh, really? And they would set up when you're gonna talk. So maybe maybe we started having free running. Yeah, the free free run cameras, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:17

Not well, in the mansion, you don't because there's like cameras set up, but when we're out after two weeks, we were yeah, there's people. I remember I went on a hike in Thailand and this guy was walking backwards for like an hour.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:28

It was crazy. Yeah, and they got like 50 pound things. Yeah, it's a crazy sweat. Yeah, it's crazy. Man, you're the best. I really enjoyed that part of it. Um, but I will say, like, too hot to handle gave me more of like my entertainment itch, where I um actually like scratched that because I was like watching how they were really producing it, you know? They were curating everything for the most part.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:51

What did you do before reality TV?

SPEAKER_08 1:11:53

I was a stockbroker. I played basketball, I was um a professional basketball player for like two years in like a smaller league. And then I was a stockbroker for two as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:02

So you've always had like a little bit of entertainment in you. Yeah, of course. Performing for the crowd. Right, right, exactly.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:07

And that's why I'm like, okay, maybe I should do this more. And um I always was like the big character big character kid, you know? Um maybe that's just me being a younger sibling. That's why that's why I was like, out of how many attention, like, yeah, so I got the attention. My brother is like I would he's like was like a father-ish figure. He was eight years older than me. You know what I mean? So I was like looking up to him all the time, but like his attention a lot of times went towards me.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:37

So you're the baby. I'm the baby.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:39

I am the baby. I am the baby. Well, let's let's get to the part where the audience really wants to know. Are you single? I am single. You are single. Single. Oh, I am gonna wait for the camera. That's what we like to see. That's what we like to see. So you out there dating, or are you just completely single as a pringle? Like, I mean, singles relative, but okay. That's I am um I am dating. I'm dating. He's single right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:02

I am single right now, so you know get on.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:05

But the DMs are full. I'm not too worried about you. They're doing pretty well.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:11

The groupies are back. And I'm joking. When I saw that, I was like, oh. The one time I say something super crazy, I'll give me that. That's all it takes.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:24

And that's the one we're gonna use too.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:26

There's the teaser right there. The wink at the camera, I think, might get it. The wink at the camera is that was a little OD. All right, we're gonna play a little game now. We're gonna play a little game. So I want to take you back. Imagine you're back in the boardroom, which you were in quite often. You're back in the boardroom. Um, we're gonna give you some couples and um some questions.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:45

They're or questions. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:46

So or, yeah, yeah, exactly. So you pick the couple. This rapid fire is this thought?

SPEAKER_08 1:13:50

Like, am I going to do it? Put a little thought into it. Put a little thought into it. Okay, cool. Go ahead. You can do it first.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:54

Okay. Which couple should have left earlier? Allie and Jimmy or Yaman and Natalie?

SPEAKER_08 1:14:00

Ooh, that's a great question. Um, damn, this is my boy, too. Um, Yaman and Natalie, man. They were they was playing. Okay, I was like, I was gonna ask that. I felt like they had me convinced though. I thought that they were like really locked in, but it was playing, man. Like, as I'm looking at everything, and you know, they aren't even like trying to date anybody else or stuff like that. I'm like, how real is this? Yeah, yeah. They look good together, but it looks they look so like Natalie was gonna look good with anybody's face. I I didn't the first day, like when we first met or whatever, I didn't see it at first, and then she came back like the next day, and I was like, damn, that okay, all right, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:48

Yeah, there was a couple times you're like, whose ass is that? It's really good. It was always Natalie. It was always like girls are so hot in the season.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:57

Well, they're hot every season.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:58

Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah, yeah. All right, next one. Um, which person caused more chaos in the villa? You? No, I'm just kidding. Dave or Jimmy P more chaos.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:11

Dave kissed maybe everybody. Dave was chaos, he was just smooching everybody. I'm like, Dave, relax. I saw like I was watching the episodes back. He's like, I'm gonna kiss you now.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:22

Wait, wait, no true. Dude, you could say anything without accident, man. I didn't have kissed everybody. It's like a dad accident, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:32

He did though, but he was like no warm-up. He's like, let's kiss. I'm gonna kiss you now.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:37

I feel like he offered, weirdly enough, like a safe space for a lot of the girls, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:15:42

It was almost like friend, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:45

Yeah, like default Dave. Yeah, default Dave.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:49

That's a line. That is great.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:53

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:54

I mean it was love, but it was he had a good time. He had amazing time.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:00

Like he was what he kissed two people at the same time. Yeah, that's right. And then picked him up. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Dave had a great time.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:08

Which couple had the strongest emotional connection? Allison and Jimmy, S, or you and Marissa?

SPEAKER_08 1:16:15

Strongest emotional connection? Well, seeing as though Damn, it's hard for me not to vote for myself. Um Jimmy and Allison. I'll give that to them. Which contestant deserved a second chance? Chris or Kayla? Kayla. Kayla. Kayla deserves a second chance for sure. Chris is my guy, but my boy falls in love immediately. And um, it's not like he falls in love for the bigger. That Prada bag story was crazy. Was it a it was a wallet or was it a bag? I think or one or the other, yeah, four thousand dollars or whatever it is. But still, like Chris. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, when you're like that rich from a very, you know what I mean? Like from a young age, you kind of just get a little out of touch. Like, you aren't supposed to do stuff like that. That's not a first date thing, brother. Like, the world is your oyster, right? You can just, it's like, I mean, he was just like he told me about it. He's like, yo, I just had an extra one. Like, it wasn't like I was like trying to make it seem like this big thing, like, I'm devoted to you. Uh but then I did see him saying stuff in the bed, like on night two, like, yo, I'm I'm so appreciative of our relationship. And uh, you know, I'm like, he's such a romantic.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:20

I feel like he's such a uh well, he's in the bed, yeah. You're gonna pillow talk.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:26

That's kind of that's a lot for night two. Like, imagine, imagine the second night. It's night two, like imagine you guys just met, haven't probably been intimate yet, yeah, or anything like that, and it's just like, I love you.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:39

Where is he from? Do we know where Chris is from?

SPEAKER_08 1:17:41

Uh, like Miami area. Okay, I was gonna say uh Lebanese. I was gonna say he has to be one of the Eastern. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:47

Yeah, but it makes sense. Okay, he's the Persian prince. He is the Persian prince, Chris the Persian prince.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:55

Right, default Dave, Chris the Persian prince.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:58

Uh, okay, well, this is the last one. Which bombshell had the biggest impact? Bree or Sophie?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:07

I mean, Sophie fucking one. Yeah, so it's like very hard for me to say something against that, but at the same time, like Brie really wasn't involved that long. She has a lot of screen time to not be involved that long, like more than some people that was in there the whole time, you know. I give it to her. Yeah, I feel like for you, she had the biggest impact for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. For me, for me, yeah. For you, for sure. Yeah, like in like looking at it from a viewer's point, I'm like, in that little bit of time that she had in, like, she didn't even make it into the house.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:44

I guess you're right, not once. No, she didn't make it into the house. She came back like twice, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, interesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:51

I was gonna say, of course.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:56

But yeah, they they made sure that this happened on screen for sure. Like, um, I was in the boardroom the second time, and um they told me in there, they were like, Yeah, like Bree's gonna make it in. Like she's getting, she's gonna be in the show.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:13

Like, fine, all right. I ain't gonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:17

What did it feel like when you because you said you didn't you you didn't you really didn't know she was gonna be there when you went to the boardroom the first time and saw her face, like whoa, whoa. Did you see me?

SPEAKER_08 1:19:24

I was like I saw you gotta I gotta do like I have to deal with this shit right now, you know, because we like I said, we hadn't spoke. It was obviously beef. I'm like, damn, like everything that was being said, I'm like, golly, like when we left the house, it was more like at least for my end, I'm like, I don't want anything, any bad blood with you. It's just didn't it's not working, you know. And um yeah, so I was like, damn, we're gonna have to talk through this, and I'm I'm gonna say my piece this time if we're gonna talk about it. There's no way that I'm leaving here and not being able to say my side because I have been like commuted in a lot of situations. Like there's no way. There's no way I'm not gonna say my piece this time. So I knew it was gonna be a thing, yeah. Right. I'm glad you got there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:09

Well, it definitely sounds like you had a lot of revelations and closure, but what would you say was your biggest takeaway from perfect match?

SPEAKER_08 1:20:18

To allow myself to dictate my own journey. Um I struggle with that sometimes with like just allowing things to happen, uh especially in dating. And I think sometimes the vice to your woman might come for me, but because it you can tell, like I'm I'm giving off that energy, like yeah, I'm cool, we just tell them, you know, like the flow, whatever. Um I think you look good, you know, and we can hang out for a while. And then it's like, no, we're gonna bring the reins in on this. But it's really giving me that like I need to make this happen going forward. That's great. For sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:56

It focused you a little bit, you think?

SPEAKER_08 1:20:58

Yeah, for sure. It definitely made me see that I wasn't exactly moving with intention all the time.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:04

That's a great way to put it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:06

Listen, once you hit 30.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:08

Yeah, I'm about there, man. Fine. We've got like four months left. Jeez. I call myself Uncle Jason. That's great. Oh, love, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:18

Well, you've been awesome, man. This is a lot of fun. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad you're able to come on and appreciate it. Oh, we're done. Yeah, we're done.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:26

We are such good interviewers. I want you want to leave.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:31

I did not want to see you on a challenge show or something. All the people out there, we need to see Demarion challenge show. I got all these muscles, man. Literally.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:42

You would be the first one voted off, though. Yeah, yeah. Literally, just by the end of it.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:45

He's doing some thing. Get him out of here.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:48

But no, thank you so much for opening up and um just really allowing yourself to go through that whole experience and a lot thrown at you. And I think, you know, especially after every show, you do become a more evolved version of yourself. And I do think that you are on that path. Because you never know the way that people kind of go after it. But I feel like uh the growth is there, and whether you need it or not, you got it. But uh it looks good. Definitely need it.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:12

Uh, where can the people find you?

SPEAKER_08 1:22:13

They want to follow you on all the, you know, um, should I direct into camera? Yeah, yeah. Okay, give it a wink to at least another wink. Just montage of music. No way. No way. Um, you guys can find me on Instagram and on TikTok at Demari Davis4 and Demari Davis underscore. Perfect. Awesome, man. Thanks for watching.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:32

Thanks for being here. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Thank you guys for listening. Be sure to comment, like, and subscribe, and we'll see you next Tuesday.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:40

He said what?

SPEAKER_06 1:22:44

No way she said that.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:47

It's time for these motherfuckers listen to me.