The Ultimatum's Casey & David Got Nick Lachey to Officiate Their Surprise Reunion Wedding!

What happens when you find out the night before the reunion that Nick Lachey is ordained? If you're David and Casey, you ask him to officiate your wedding! 💍

This week on He Said, G Said, David and Casey from The Ultimatum take us behind the scenes of their surprise reunion wedding, reveal how Nick Lachey ended up marrying them and share what viewers didn't see.

The couple opens up about why they chose to go on The Ultimatum, how they navigated their trial marriages without losing trust in each other, and the biggest misconceptions from the season. They also discuss Casey's emotional experience at The Choice, the shocking Jebin letter, relationships with the rest of the cast, and the moments they feel were misunderstood in the edit.

If you loved The Ultimatum, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Congratulations on your engagement and your reunion wedding. Yeah. How did that decision come about? Like wanting to get married at the reunion.

SPEAKER_04 0:08

And they were like, hey, Nick is uh ordained. And we're like, what? Awesome. Let's let's get his autograph too. I know.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

I just always said when he signed the marriage certificate. Watching the ultimatum, it gives me hives. Like I can't even imagine like being in that and then watching your partner be in a trial marriage.

SPEAKER_06 0:28

It's difficult because David, of course, is a very flirtatious person.

SPEAKER_04 0:31

Flirtatious is kind of strong. But I was just, I would say nice, warming, comforting.

SPEAKER_02 0:35

Yeah, yeah, okay. Your date with Jebin was pretty awkward, Casey. Were there any other cringy date moments with the other guys? How was the room when Nick made Alex read that note from Jebin?

SPEAKER_04 0:48

I'll tell you what, because the first thing she said that didn't make the cut, right? She was like, when Vanessa was like, read that letter, read it, Alex. Alex was like, okay. Oh, it's probably, it's probably just him telling how much he loves me and about his feelings and stuff. We were like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:02

Was there any behind-the-scenes tea that you haven't spilt yet that you want to spill? Is there anybody it's easy surviving eyebrow raising over there? Is there anything you guys want to spill?

SPEAKER_00 1:11

He said what?

SPEAKER_05 1:14

No way she said that. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of He Said She Said.

SPEAKER_02 1:24

Yep, and we're back in our LA studio, and we're so excited for today's episode because we haven't been able to stop watching the Ultimatum on Netflix. It's been crazy. Crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:35

Action-packed, drama-packed, all the things you want.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

So many plot twists, so much drama, so many surprises, and we have one of the only couples to make it out of season four.

SPEAKER_05 1:43

Let's welcome to He Said G Said, Casey and David. Woo! Thanks for coming on the show, you guys. Appreciate it. Uh, you guys are in the thick of it, I'll tell you what. How are you guys feeling right now? How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_06 1:54

Feeling good now that everything's starting to come out and move forward.

SPEAKER_05 1:58

Yeah, I feel great. Sometimes the hardest part is literally waiting for the show to air.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

It's waiting and then also just reliving it.

SPEAKER_03 2:07

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

All over again. Yeah. And seeing stuff that you didn't know you were gonna see. Right, exactly. And then you're like kind of like in separate corners of the house being like, what the f like I don't want to talk to you right now. Look at me. Oh my god. Well, congratulations on your engagement and your reunion wedding.

SPEAKER_05 2:27

Yes, congrats, you guys. Newlyweds, newlyweds.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

How's newlywed life treating you? Because we're in the same boat.

SPEAKER_05 2:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 2:35

I knew I actually saw you guys just got married too. So congrats, you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Um, newlyweds is fine. I mean, we are just it's different for from a typical newlywed, just because we have all of this happening now. So um we've just really been spending a lot of time together and getting ready for everything to come to life.

SPEAKER_04 2:54

It uh definitely feels stronger. Our relationship, you know, being engaged is just like you have that it's that ride or die. And being a boyfriend and girlfriend, you were like, okay, I love you, but you know, maybe uh the you don't know, right? Totally, totally. And then engaged, you're just like, okay, we're gonna make this work. Like in our in the back of my head, I know at least it's like, okay, it's the real deal. Now it's time to, yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Because you guys were engaged for like a year, right? Since filming and since it since the reunion, right? A year-ish. Yep. Um, so that's like a healthy, nice, long engagement. Because I'm really curious, like, how how did that decision come about? Like wanting to get married at the reunion. Um, please walk me through that because I'm very, very curious.

SPEAKER_06 3:38

Yeah, so basically, we have this last year we really planned our wedding in Italy. That's what we both have wanted to do for a long time.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

Ravello. Love that.

SPEAKER_06 3:48

So the thing is, we wanted to get married legally before the wedding because it's pretty complicated to get married in Italy. Yeah. So we were we didn't really have anything scheduled or planned. So whenever this opportunity came up, we thought it would be perfect to have Nick married.

SPEAKER_04 4:04

Yeah, they were like, hey, Nick is uh ordained, he can or you know, suspiciate you. And we're like, What? Awesome. Let's let's get his autograph too.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

I know that's what we said when he signed the marriage certification. I was gonna say, yeah, he's your witness. Wait, that's that's actually really smart. Okay, so that was your like civil before your like ceremony and your whole like wedding that you're gonna have in Italy. That's great. That's I would probably do the same thing too. Like, why not? Yeah, no, totally, yeah. We haven't told anybody either. Our family doesn't know yet.

SPEAKER_04 4:31

Yeah, nobody. We saved it for the reunion comes out, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:35

Oh, I'm impressed.

SPEAKER_06 4:36

That's hard to do.

SPEAKER_05 4:36

I'm impressed. So there are you guys doing like a fun. Yeah, are you gonna do like a fun watch party and everybody's gonna be there and they'll be like, wait, what? Like that kind of thing. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

Oh, how cute. Okay, that'll be fun. I like surprises like that.

SPEAKER_05 4:51

So, how long before the reunion did you decide Nick was gonna be the like you were gonna have it? Was it like the week of the reunion? Like how much time?

SPEAKER_06 4:59

The day before. The day before? The night before, actually.

SPEAKER_05 5:02

Wow, the day before.

SPEAKER_04 5:03

We talked about getting married legally in the States before we go in August, right? And then that opportunity came to us. We're like, might as well.

SPEAKER_06 5:10

I know the night before we were told that he was ordained, or it's like we like jump when it's time to jump, so we jump.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

Yeah, wait, you're my kind of people. I'm like exactly the same way. That's amazing. Congratulations. I would probably do the same exact thing. So wait, hold on. I really love how producers were just like, you know what? You have the ring in your pocket at any chance. You can propose whenever you want. Oh, and by the way, Nick Lachet is ordained. Like they really just teed up everything really nicely, I think. Good for you for taking it.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

And they told us also they hit us with the oh, it's never been done before.

SPEAKER_05 5:43

And we're like, we might as well do it. We'll be the first. No, I love that. So Nick had no idea. Nick did not know.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Yeah, not until the day of, I think. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Okay, so how was he?

SPEAKER_06 5:58

Good. Actually, yeah, he was really good. He handled it well. We were nervous, obviously, so we didn't know if we had to do if they wanted us to do vows or anything. We didn't prep at all. So Nick was very accommodating with how to handle that part since we're gonna do super intimate vowels in Italy. Totally. So he crushed it. And then they also, it's super random, but they had me throw a bouquet to the rest of the girls that were single. No way. And Nick sang a little bit of I do while I was doing that. So I felt yeah, he did. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

He sang, it was yeah, that's big time.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Oh, listen, no one's gonna top that. No one's gonna top that, Sybil. So, how is planning going for your Italy wedding? When is that? You don't have to tell us specifically, but is it coming up soon?

SPEAKER_06 6:40

It is, it's um less than eight weeks away. In September, September, yeah. How's planning going? Really good. We actually got a really good wedding planner that we love because that's based in Italy, so it's been extra she has made this so much more exciting and more fun for us. So I've enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_05 7:00

So that's funny you say that because a lot of people always wonder, like when it comes to destination weddings, like, how do you plan? But we also had a wedding planner in Croatia, yeah. You know what I mean? So that makes it a lot easier, yeah, yeah. So she's on site at least.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

But I mean, have you noticed European? I mean, depending on your planner, but I think just European culture in general, it's very relaxed. They're like, oh yes, that it's taken care of, or or no worries, it's gonna be fine. And then you're just like, but is it booked? Like, do I have it?

SPEAKER_04 7:28

Yeah, we get the detailed everything.

SPEAKER_06 7:31

There's a couple emails that I have where I'm like, okay, I feel like I'm behind. Is everything okay?

SPEAKER_05 7:35

Yes, yes. I felt that way the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

No, there are so many things we found out, like literally 24 hours before or day of. And it's just like, you just have to surrender and everything's gonna be great. You're getting married in a beautiful place, and whatever. Yeah, and everyone's just gonna have so much fun. And no, I'm so excited to see if you're you know, whatever you guys decide to post, it's gonna be absolutely stunning.

SPEAKER_05 7:56

So, uh, question for you. So, did your castmates know that that was gonna happen at the reunion? Were they aware?

SPEAKER_06 8:02

No, not a single even Haley. Haley and I are good friends, and she didn't even know. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 8:06

So are they gonna be in any castmates gonna be invited to the wedding?

SPEAKER_02 8:09

Just Haley. Okay. Just Haley.

SPEAKER_05 8:11

Okay. Fun. Yeah. Fun, fun, fun.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

I had a couple love is blind girlies go out.

SPEAKER_06 8:16

Um I know it's a little bit more than a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

Yeah, no, it's fun because everyone's just like you it's kind of like what everyone wanted to happen when you guys all met each other, and then now it's happening on your term. So it's like a really fun, full circle special moment. So you and Haley will definitely have a fun time. So is that what you guys have been up to mainly since season four wrapped? Like just planning your wedding or anything else that you guys want to update us on?

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Yeah, just um during the wedding, we actually flew out there a month ago to test all the food and everything and loved it. It was amazing. So that was great. We got to see where we're gonna walk and visualize everything, have dinner underneath the olive trees, and we've been just growing our our business. Our joke testing business here in San Antonio. Been growing it, added a new, a whole new business to it, which is TSA TSA pre-check and background checks, and all the government, all the checks that they need for the law enforcement, airport, all that stuff. And then we picked up also CPS and FPS, which is child protect protect uh I said child protective services and family protective services. Um just been growing our business and working hard.

SPEAKER_06 9:25

And then two days before we left for filming, we closed on a house that we built.

SPEAKER_04 9:30

Yes. Oh, you built well. We just came back, slept on a mattress on the floor.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Okay, so that's amazing that you guys have your own business doing drug testing for government departments. Like, once you start getting into the government contracts, you guys like you made it. Like, you're good. And that's also like a huge responsibility, which leads me to my other thing is you guys bought a house or built a house and you have a business together, and you still decided to go on the ultimatum. Like, what about putting everything on the line? That's insane.

SPEAKER_06 10:14

Hey, I mean, even though it's still better to know for sure for single fans at the end of the day. Yeah, plus it was time. Obviously, we had everything else figured out, so it was time for the next step. No, I commend you.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

I'm not, I'm just saying, like, wow, that's some big cojones. Like, you did it. It worked.

SPEAKER_06 10:35

We've just done all that.

SPEAKER_05 10:36

Yeah. So, how did you guys get on the show? What was that process like? Did you apply? Like, how did that work?

SPEAKER_04 10:43

Yeah, um, they reached out through my Instagram, and some other shows reached out. I always would I would tell her, mention it, and she's like, No, no way. Don't do that, no way, right? So I'm like, okay, whatever. And then this one show came up and never heard of it, never seen it. And she's like, Oh, I used to watch that.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

And I sent it to her, and then I thought it was one of the shows that when it comes to a dating show, it's one that ideally respects the couples a little bit more.

SPEAKER_04 11:08

So, you can play that role, right? Depends on how the experience goes for you. Yeah, but um yeah, and then I at first I was like, she was all excited, and of course I was like, uh, I don't know if it's a good idea. Once I got excited, it's like you get all excited, but I was like, wait, let me see what this show is about first, right? So we watched it, watched it a little bit, and then we're like, you know what? Let's go see. Okay. Let's go test our loyalty, let's go see what we have, and why not?

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Wow. So that I mean it depends on like the the person, right? Like it it can be such a green flag, too, where it's like, okay, baby, yeah, let's test our loyalty. This sounds if this is what you want to do, okay. But if it's like this kind of guy that you're that's like, yeah, I want to go hook up, but it's just it's such a gamble. It really is. But you know your man and you know that it was ultimately gonna lead you to where you wanted to, which obviously it did. But you're right, the ultimatum does, I mean, the end goal is marriage, proposals, engagements, um, versus like, I mean, I've never watched it because for a while temptation uh just reality TV in general would put me in the fetal position. Um I feel like Temptation Island isn't really expecting people to get engaged at the end of their season, right? It's a little different. Um, so I think you definitely chose the right one, which again for me watching the ultimatum it it gives me hives. Like I I can't even imagine like being in that and then watching your partner be in a trial marriage. Like, did you guys um communicate at all during your trial marriage? Because I know a couple of other couples did, they were like leaving around notes.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

Oh my gosh, yeah, definitely I know we really didn't have to communicate much.

SPEAKER_06 12:55

We obviously were both sending emails for work, so we saw each other's emails, but there was when I he did send me one message whenever we first after the choice, when we first switched our partners, and that's when it was a very reassuring message, which I think I know it's frowned upon to reach out to each other, but it made it to where I felt really confident and comfortable moving forward and not stressing about what David's doing or if he's gonna cheat or if he's you know what's happening. It was just a reassuring message to know I could I got this and can move forward. So I it benefited me doing that, but we didn't really reach out to each other other than that.

SPEAKER_04 13:29

Yeah, and to put it in like a better um perspective, it's like that was the first night we were separated and had to go live with those other people that we met. And we don't really know those people, right? We just dated for two weeks and then we're moving in with them, right? Yeah, so I'm very territorial protective. So I was just like, you know, I love you, reassure you, this is what you need. If you need anything, I'm here. But then I also told her, don't tell me any dates you go on. I don't want to know anything about that. I do not care. Um, you handle yours, I handle mine, but I'm here for you no matter what. You know what I mean? Because that just causes more drama. Oh, you're going to this. You I don't want to think like that.

SPEAKER_06 14:00

Yeah, we want to focus on our own trial marriage.

SPEAKER_05 14:04

Ah, interesting. That's really good communication. Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like not all couples communicate like that within the show.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

No, I no, like for example, like Jabin literally being like, Don't you dare touch another man. Like, there's it's very telling. Like these shows are such incubators that it really just pushes out who you are to the core in in such a spotlight, and and it can either go really well or not at all. And I think that maybe that's why, Casey, you had such a like caught like a good experience in your child marriage, because you were just so secure in your real relationship.

SPEAKER_06 14:38

Yeah, because if this was four years ago, it would be a whole different you would have watched a different show. So because it was still fresh and new back then.

SPEAKER_05 14:48

I've been there, David. I've been there.

SPEAKER_06 14:51

So it wasn't other women or other men that we were really worried about. However, those people would be the reason in the same way, just like you know, the whole experience in general, just experiencing outside of the what you're used to and seeing if it's meant to fit. But it made us really focus on what we wanted to work on for ourselves and our relationship instead of not doing something wrong or him not doing something wrong.

SPEAKER_04 15:16

Or you know, then I wouldn't be able to focus on myself. So we just kind of nipped that.

SPEAKER_06 15:20

Which I think happened to the other couples, unfortunately. Totally, totally. You think? Yeah, so David, I gotta ask though.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

I gotta a little bit. So I gotta ask about these three promise rings, David. I gotta do that. Do you have them stacked now? Yeah, okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

I was gonna ask, yeah, they're all working.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

So how did you and how what were your what was your like mind frame through that? Were you like, you know what, let's give her at number three. Like, what went through your mind? You're like, let's give her the third one.

SPEAKER_04 15:47

This one will, you know, well, it was just big problems kind of just to reassure her, like, you know, it I'm not ready, but I'm halfway there. You know, I'm not, I don't want to give up on you. I don't want you to give up on me, but you know, here you go. I'm just not there personally with everything I've been through. So here's a promise ring that hey, I'm still in it, and you know, I love you and I'm still here for you. It was that type of like just you know, it wasn't year after year after year. It was within the six, seven years of us knowing each other, you know.

SPEAKER_06 16:13

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:14

So, Casey, did you appreciate that? Were you like, oh, like I'm thank you for like communicating that. Like, I know where your head is at now, I know our relationship is.

SPEAKER_06 16:23

Definitely, it was a double-edged sword, I think, a little bit, because at the same time I've known since like the very beginning, honestly, um, that I wanted to be with David. So it was good to know that he was still all in, or what you would consider all in at the time. But at the same time, I would I made a joke about running out of rib, you know, bullshit on my hand, intentionally kind of, and then they stopped coming, and I'm like, oh gosh, what did I say? I was like, oh no.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

I can only imagine the excitement when this man is pulling out a ring and he's just like, but it's not the ring.

SPEAKER_06 16:58

Like, oh my god, that's great. The first one, ecstatic, the second one still loved it, and then third one, I was like, Oh, cool. Is this gonna be like for the rest of our lives?

SPEAKER_02 17:09

I did love it.

SPEAKER_05 17:11

Of course, yeah, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

That was also him compromising with like the internal baggage that he, you know, had within himself, but still telling you, like, hey, like, I'm still just I'm I need to work on myself first before I marry you. Um, which is it's it's nice knowing who your partner is, but yeah, from a third party, you're just like, just do the ring. It all worked out though, it all worked out.

SPEAKER_05 17:38

Everything has a series, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly. It all worked out.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

So you guys mentioned that one um communication that you guys had before your travel marriages, but did you guys have any other boundaries before you guys stepped in with Luca Monica?

SPEAKER_06 17:54

Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing was we weren't there to uh be physical with anybody. That wasn't gonna make a difference. We would we didn't need to work on that. So we what we wanted to work on had nothing to do with those types of things. So we did set that boundary, just we're not gonna sleep with the other partner, we're not gonna be physical with them, but we're gonna emotionally dive into it so we can work with that person as effectively as we could without having to be physical. So I it's difficult because David, of course, is a very flirtatious person, but um, at the same time, I'm grateful that we were able to set the boundaries like that just because we really did.

SPEAKER_04 18:32

Flirtatious is kind of strong, but I was just I would say nice, warming, comforting. You're living with that person, you you're gonna be nice, like you're gonna you you don't want no bad blood, you know. So yeah, for sure, for sure. Of course they could. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would agree with the 40 side, right?

SPEAKER_06 18:49

Yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_05 18:53

So so David, you were obviously connecting with Haley and Monica during the dating week. What made you decide to pick Monica?

SPEAKER_04 19:01

Um, just me and Haley, just the age difference at the end, you know, after dating and stuff, I just known she's a little younger, not as mature as what I would want as a trial marriage partner, right? So I just went with Monica. She's a little older, more mature, has her stuff together, just you know, something I someone I can see to being with. So yeah, I picked her.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

A good proxy, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:25

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Just someone that can actually offer you some growth or learning lessons rather than like kind of teaching a puppy. Right? Okay, well, I don't know if that was offensive. Um but you're feeling very much of her age, but age is the first thing.

SPEAKER_06 19:45

Yeah, I'll always defend her. She's good people, she is, she is. But the age league is one thing you couldn't get over from no matter how mature I think she was.

SPEAKER_04 19:51

She's 22, 23.

SPEAKER_06 19:53

She was 23 when filming.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

Yeah, and just living with a you know, just it was just a little different for me. I was just like, you know what, it might as well go this way, 28, 29.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

Yeah, yeah. How old are you guys?

SPEAKER_04 20:02

34.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

And 35.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

Yeah, 100%, 22, 23, or 34. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like a 28-year-old, okay, you've dated, or you're a little bit, you know, you can you can relate to me if I'm trying to work through something. 100%, I would have done that. Um, but your date with Gebin was pretty awkward, Casey. Um, if you could say that. But you did handle it, you handled it with Grace. Were there any other cringy date moments with the other guys?

SPEAKER_06 20:30

With the other guys, I to be honest, don't I had a date with Idris at one point early on, but the only thing I remember us talking about is the robot vacuum. So no, I remember leaving that date thinking I knew nothing about this person. I have no idea what we even talked about, except for the robot vacuum for some reason. I think we harped on that for a little too long.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

That's funny.

SPEAKER_06 20:52

Um no. Yeah, so that was kind of cringy. And then my other dates were pretty fun, to be honest. It's just every date with Jevin was as you saw.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

Yeah, yeah, there was that was that was real.

SPEAKER_06 21:01

Yeah, that was like Yeah, every I even asked him at one point because I kept going on dates with him. And um, so I asked him, I said, What do you what do you think we have in common? And he was like, you know, basketball or David plays basketball, I play basketball. I was like, so we have David in common. Okay, cool. That's a good reason okay.

SPEAKER_05 21:19

We have David in common.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

That's also a green flag for you, though, David. Like the biggest reason for that.

SPEAKER_04 21:27

But she was mad, yeah, but she was mad, she kept getting matched up with him for day after date. She's like, he's the last on my list. Why am I, you know?

SPEAKER_06 21:33

Yeah, because we because it was good content, y'all.

SPEAKER_05 21:36

Good TV.

SPEAKER_06 21:39

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SPEAKER_05 21:42

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SPEAKER_06 23:23

The bigot, I mean it's hard because we had to be sequestered for so long and then getting out of your comfort zone so heavily and working really quickly with it. I really just got into my head and I started comparing myself and thinking, okay, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. It was just one of those things where I just kind of lost myself a little bit, kind of got lost in the show, I guess, a little. So it was, and also knowing David's dating these beautiful women, all the girls on the show were stunning. And um as a woman, you can't help but sometimes just overthink about that a little bit. And then of course, the fact that I kept going on dates with Jeb, and I was thinking, huh, maybe I'm not connecting with anybody if I just keep going on these dates with this guy. So it just made me second guess myself. Um, and then I, after the choice, I realized that was just in my head.

SPEAKER_02 24:10

Totally. I mean, that's a it's a very, it's a very nerve-wracking moment, especially when you're just like nervous, right? That you're gonna be paired with someone that you don't want to be paired with, but then David might have this like really great experience, and you're just like, but I also didn't get that experience, you know, you it wasn't gonna feel like equal. Um, but how would you say you felt like with your overall decision?

SPEAKER_06 24:33

I felt good about it. I think while going on these dates, Luke is the one person who we both really early on just set, you know, the precedent of what we were looking for. And we both wanted our partners, and we both were the ones were the ultimatum givers. And so we had that in common. I didn't feel I felt comfortable, I think, with him because I knew that there wouldn't be any weird boundaries crossed or any potential of that, and that we both would were super willing to help each other reach that end goal while still, you know, working on our own trial marriage. Um, so from an early point, we were able to kind of dig into those types of conversations compared to other dates I've had with people. Like you immediately friend zoned each other. 100%. Yeah. That's lucky.

SPEAKER_04 25:24

I was like, oh gosh, I was like, when he started calling me big bro, and nobody compared to this one.

SPEAKER_05 25:30

Ah, see, there we go. That's what we like to hear from the show. Yeah, yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_06 25:34

I feel like that's the best case scenario, you guys.

SPEAKER_05 25:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:38

Yeah, it really was like we were very lucky, I think, especially knowing what the other couples went through.

SPEAKER_04 25:43

Yeah, I was shocked when I saw the show and saw everything else. I was like, wow, like watching it back.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

Well, we're definitely about to get into that, but at first, I want to know something else with the choice. How was how was the room when Nick made Alex read that note from Jebin? Like, what were the reactions? Did you kind of see it coming? Just walk me through that.

SPEAKER_06 26:04

I had absolutely no idea that was happening. I didn't even know he gave her a letter the night before. I was expecting, I was about to be teary-eyed while we were waiting, and I was expecting her to start reading like a love letter, and it was the complete opposite. So I was shocked to see that. I couldn't believe that, especially because the dates with Jebin were all just well funny.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

I'll tell you what, because the first thing she said that didn't make the cut, right? She was like, when Vanessa was like, read that letter, read it, Alex. Alex was like, Okay, it's probably it's probably just him telling how much he loves me and about his feelings and stuff. She's we were like, Oh, okay. It's probably just yeah, she said that. So all of us are like, Oh, it's probably just the feelings, but when it's every book in the every word in the book, it just she didn't even read the entire letter out loud, knowing how bad it was.

SPEAKER_06 26:46

Apparently, there was more bad stuff around the border. She ex she told us this at the reunion, and that she was basically wanting to be protective of Jebin in that moment, which is super unfortunate, but I think we've all been there and didn't read all of it, and it was still as bad as it was.

SPEAKER_03 27:00

Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

She was blindsided, gutted, like that's crazy. I wonder if any I wonder if he's shown any of that before they went to the ultimate.

SPEAKER_05 27:11

That's a good question. Yeah, I mean, that'd be a question for him. That's a question for them, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

Oh my god. I'm sorry, I'm still just like relishing in the fact like you have all these cameras, it's the choice, and la la la, and everyone's looking at you, and you're like, oh, he's just gonna tell me how much he loves me and that he just wants to be with me and and to have a good time. And it's just the complete and utter opposite. Ugh, I feel for her.

SPEAKER_04 27:36

Vanessa started crying too. They didn't see it, but she was really mad because really upset because how a man speaks to a woman is not like that.

SPEAKER_05 27:43

No, I feel like that's one of those like reality TV, like almost iconic moments. You know, I mean, like for this show, like that'll be one that's remembered for a long, long time. Do you guys think Jebin took the experience seriously? Do you think like what do you think he was trying to get out of the experience?

SPEAKER_06 27:57

Unfortunately, I think he was there for fun and opportunities, and I think part of it too is what Alex wanted because she really wants wanted to be with Jebin. But I don't, I mean, uh the dates I went on with him, there's no way he took it seriously.

SPEAKER_04 28:11

Yeah, they're there, he's young too. What is he, 21? 23, 23, you know, he's hilarious. Funny kid. Super funny, but just you know, in that little time frame of just I can do whatever I want, spend what I want, live how I want. Yeah, wasn't there for the right reasons at all? Yeah, definitely not the right reasons for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

And then also something that I like to see happen is when a random proposal is just like comes out of the blue because the man just can't be without his girl. Were you guys surprised Edges proposed to Jessica Grace?

SPEAKER_06 28:46

Yeah, did you see my facial expression when he got up?

SPEAKER_04 28:48

I'm like, I thought he was gonna leave too.

SPEAKER_06 28:51

Yeah, I was like, no way this guy is just picking up and leaving like this. I was it was crazy. And then he comes back with a ring. I was like, okay, I can cry again.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Yeah, yep, yep, yep. That's happened a couple of times, right at the choice, where they're just like, I'm not doing it. Like, I I have to get engaged. What the hell? Yeah, I mean, the push is limited. I feel like it's the only show that can actually take you from beginning all the way to the end. No, love is blind, love is blind as that. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_05 29:21

Love is blind really does it, actually.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Yeah, but love, but love is blind doesn't like break you up first.

SPEAKER_05 29:25

That's true, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

Like Ultimatum is it's a crazy show.

SPEAKER_05 29:28

We we talk about it all the time, how crazy that show is. That and even well, in Temptation Island, obviously, too, is like another level of that. But like, yeah, it's just it's it's it's uh we always say we respect you guys a lot. And the way it worked out is even cooler, you know what I mean? It's even cooler.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

But yeah, people tend obviously can struggle in this um, you know, incubator, Haley, Killian, and Ashley and Blake. Why do you think that they struggled so much through this?

SPEAKER_04 29:54

I would say I feel like they just kept in contact, was telling each other what they were doing. And one of the main reasons is I would say is that when you're with your your original partner, and then you go with your trial partner, and you start sharing the messages you have with your original to your trial, it starts like a whole hurricane, and that's just a no-no. You're supposed to have that trust between you and that original partner. Don't show them nothing inside your phone, what you're texting to them.

SPEAKER_06 30:19

Or if you show them, the problem was, in my opinion, because I understand Haley and Killian just yeah, 100%, and that's valid for sure. But Haley and Killian, when they when Killian started sharing his text with her, I guess trial marriage. So we aren't here to judge that. That's just what they were comfortable with. The problem was that Killian didn't let Ashley know and was still allowing her blindly to be able to say whatever she's saying and not letting Haley know. So I think that was the betrayal.

SPEAKER_04 30:47

A lot of the yeah, betrayal, a lot of that. Oh, look, this is what they're saying. This is what and you can't do that, right? Like that's just crossing your own partner for your new partner, and you're just all crossing everybody, just not good.

SPEAKER_05 30:59

Yeah, that's tough.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

I'm literally processing that right now. That makes sense because obviously, why would I show text messages to this random person that I just met from you that I've known you for years, who I want to marry, unless I'm trying to find validation or to see if that other person can fill the void that I'm missing with you, right? So I can see why they do that to either be validated or to just, I don't know, something. But then that just ends up messing up your real relationship.

SPEAKER_05 31:31

So I'll just spiral.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Then your trial marriage is offended that you're still talking to your old. Why do that?

SPEAKER_06 31:39

And they all did it. They all did, and Haley didn't even reach out to Blake until it just he started putting Ashley on speakerphone and not telling Ashley that he's she's on speakerphone.

SPEAKER_04 31:49

Just a lot of like young behavior that just you'll learn as you get older, right? Don't do that, don't do this, group chat, guy chat. You know, you just you grow.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then it's just you're just doing it in front of like millions of people. We've been there. Yeah, yeah, we've been there.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

So obviously, you guys possibly didn't have too much contact other than uh, you know, some work emails here and there during trial marriages. Were Monica and Luke in contact?

SPEAKER_06 32:20

Not really. I mean, on there was one incident where after a girl's night and guys' night, that she I guess you guys had a situation and and Luke, she told Luke about it where she had was just super upset that night because he was just questioning her, right?

SPEAKER_04 32:36

Would you say they were in contact, you know, here here and there for a little bit, you know, but I wouldn't say they didn't go overboard like the other couple, it didn't make a difference in our child marriages. Yeah, it didn't affect us for either of us, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

For sure. Right, exactly. David, you opened up about your difficult childhood and how that was a big part of you not wanting to get married. How did Monica push you to be more emotionally open?

SPEAKER_04 33:01

I would say she just was a soundboard for me, you know. She uh voiced to me. I would never want to tell, you know, Casey my burdens or everything I went through because she has her own. So I always thought, like, okay, I'm not gonna put why put my old stress and everything she has to worry about too. But then she Monica made it uh explained it to me as in, like, you know, you love that person, they should love you no matter what. Share those experiences might bring you closer, right? So you know, she was just there for me every time I was talking about things, she would reply very nicely, just back and forth, like, hey, okay, it's okay, you went through that. Well, this is what I went through, and then we just you know just helped me, honestly. A great soundboard.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

And is that what you meant by when you said that you found peace with her?

SPEAKER_04 33:42

Uh yes, exactly. I was just uh when I would said peace, like a safe place, yeah, um, as in like there was just her listening to me and just allowing me to vent and then giving me you know good advice back. And it's good to be with someone that came with a different uh you know, grew up totally different than me, right? So, you know, good house, everything, uh and getting her, you know, advice from how her parents stayed together and stuff like that, and just it helped out.

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Sounds like it was like therapeutic for you.

SPEAKER_04 34:10

Yeah, there I thought it was therapy the whole I told her until this day is like relationship therapy, this whole experience. Like honestly, yeah, honestly helped it got my emotional side out. I was like always, you know, don't show that emotion, don't fight back, don't uh or don't um you know blow up and get angry or this, that right and don't react and help me open up and work on that emotional muscle, you know. That just to be able to now I can't after the show I came home and she's like shows me little like videos. I'm like, oh wow, you know, I have like that feeling in there before it was dead, you know what I mean? It was cold, and now it's like oh, the little dogs running to the family.

SPEAKER_06 34:48

I'm like overly empathetic.

SPEAKER_05 34:49

Yeah, like I love that. I love that you called it a muscle, an emotional muscle because you can work on a muscle, you know. I mean, you can make it stronger. And I think people don't think of a you know, your emotional being like that, you know, which is really cool. I think that's obviously really healthy because you can make this emotional muscle stronger, which is really cool. I like that.

SPEAKER_06 35:06

Yeah, also I feel like what he needed was someone just to hear him, and something that we can do without realizing is just trying to give solutions when that's not what he needs. I think that was a big part of it too.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

That's a great point.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

Yeah, well, 100%. And then also I feel like if it's different, right? Like, for example, Blake can tell me something that's bothering him, and then I can give the most amazing solution and problem solve everything, but because it's coming from me, he's more resistant to it, right? Because it's like, oh, I didn't blah blah blah blah blah. But if he can listen into it from another person and they say the same exact thing, he can be a little bit more perceptive to that. So, and I think that's just human nature. I mean, I'm stubborn too, so but I feel like that's just that's also a nice way to break that boundary, yeah. In yourself, yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 36:00

Anyway, Casey and Luke, you guys are you know, you guys obviously had a pretty healthy child marriage. Did you do you feel the same way? Like, how did you guys help each other, do you think?

SPEAKER_06 36:08

Yeah, I think one thing with Luke and I I really had to work on my communication. I know that's something that I could be very stubborn and just reactive or defensive in communicating with David. We've been together for over five years at that point, so it's easy to kind of fall into that hole. And Luke, something that he was really good at with Monica or that he said he was was communicating. So he was able to help me through that, which I think was the number one thing. And also, I I'm a homebody. I love to be comfortable, I like to do things that I am comfortable in a lot of the time nowadays. And so it helped me kind of get out of that comfort zone of doing things that Luke wanted to do, even if it's not something I wanted to. It honestly made me think, oh my gosh, even though I don't really want to play golf with these phone balls, I wish I was doing this with David. So it made me it opened my mind to wanting to do all kinds of stuff that even I don't like with David because it's what he wants to do, or just being more open-minded about that. And on Luke's end, he really wanted to work on taking initiative in a relationship. And I'm usually really type A and super clean freak and all that. So I just kind of took a step back and let him take that role basically. And it was good to see him make those changes. So it we really benefited from it, I think.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

Totally. Well, were there more things that surprised you when you guys were watching the show back?

SPEAKER_06 37:28

When we watched the show back, there wasn't a lot of progress in their relationship when they got back together that we saw. So it was interesting to just it was a little unfortunate to see, you know, not much growth, I guess, which they did say there was a lot of growth. And I know we both know that they each worked on a lot themselves in the trial marriages. So I think that was the biggest surprise because we didn't really see a lot of that in the show.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

So one thing that also surprised well, something that surprises me when I watch the show is how you guys like you guys meet each other's parents in the trial marriage.

SPEAKER_06 38:09

We do. So I didn't meet Luke's family, they were not open for that. Um he did meet my dad, and then David did meet Monica's family, Monica meant David's family.

SPEAKER_05 38:19

That seems so intense to me.

SPEAKER_06 38:21

Right.

SPEAKER_05 38:23

But then you're out there meeting like these families. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Because then you go back, right? And then you had a talk, David, with Casey's dad. How did that go?

SPEAKER_05 38:32

Yeah, how do you feel that went?

SPEAKER_04 38:33

Yeah. Oh, I love her dad, great man, you know.

SPEAKER_06 38:36

Um it wasn't as a scene.

SPEAKER_04 38:38

Yeah, it wasn't like how like how it made it seem, I guess, funny, kind of you know, waiting for my answer. But yeah, love, love her dad, great man. Um, we work out on his yard all the time, help him build the house and stuff. So that's great. You know, we just I'm there to help him.

SPEAKER_06 38:54

Great guy, or yeah, but he's very just super, super. Um very blessed.

SPEAKER_04 38:57

He's a very easy-going dad, very calm, relaxing dad, slow pace, you know, patience, very patient, which is I'm learning from him too, as well. He's very patient, especially when he's with his daughters and stuff. I love it. Good example of a man for sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_06 39:11

It was funny watching that, um, watching him and my dad's conversation back on the show because that was something that was surprising to see versus what how it was in real life. So we just laugh at it.

SPEAKER_05 39:22

Oh, yeah. I mean, you'll film two-hour conversation and they'll show, you know, fit 30 seconds. So I completely get how that goes.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

And it's funny, it's funny to watch the whole thing. They just can't make it too obvious that you guys had great travel marriages, the conversation with the dad went great, and then you're obviously gonna propose. So let's talk about that a little bit because how did it feel like everything was kind of as smooth as it can go for the show?

SPEAKER_05 39:45

For the show.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

So were you at all surprised, Casey?

SPEAKER_06 39:49

I wasn't surprised about that. There's only one thing that I was truly surprised about in the show, and it was a conversation that Monica and I had.

SPEAKER_05 39:54

Well, let's dig into that. Yeah, yeah. What surprised you about that? Let's dig about that a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

Let's dig into that.

SPEAKER_06 40:14

And it aired very differently than how it actually went down. Um, but it is to meet the narrative, it makes sense how they aired it, which is fine. But the conversation, what had happened was Monica, which I'm sure if you guys saw, she was wanting him to be a little bit more physical with her and saying she wants more hugs and whatever else.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

Hug master.

SPEAKER_06 40:36

Yeah, he was getting a lot of hard vibes. Yeah. And to me, that wasn't enough. So he I had heard about that, and um, I was a little upset about it, only in the sense, like, if he, if she needs a hug, that's totally fine. He's a grown man. That's not gonna, I'm not insecure about our relationship. You he can give you a hug. This is a trial marriage, go for it. But that wasn't how it felt, at least on his end. So I actually sat down with her and asked her to speak with her to clear it, clear that up basically. I asked her, hey, I heard that you were complaining about him not being physical enough. Can you kind of shed some light on that? And she did. She said all I wanted was a hug. And if that's all it was, totally fine. But you know, if that's what you want, you need to ask for it. He just met you. So he doesn't, he can't read the room that well. He doesn't really know you that well. And if it's something else, it's not fair to push someone's physical boundaries. Imagine if David wanted her to be more physical or sleep in a bed and she wasn't comfortable with it. That is just really frowned upon. You're not going to push someone in their physical boundaries if that's not what they're there to do or if they're uncomfortable. So I really wanted to clear that air with her. Um, and I was definitely being very friendly about it. I'm not there to step on anyone's toes, and I just wanted to kind of hear her side of it. So it's funny how it shows where I'm I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. So it definitely gave them some room to act like I'm worried about what David's worrying with me and stuff. So it's funny how it plays out. But I was caught off guard because I thought that conversation went well. And come to find out in her interview, she said that after talking to me, I'm insecure. And I don't understand. I still, I actually brought that up at the reunion and didn't get an answer.

SPEAKER_03 42:15

Deflected.

SPEAKER_06 42:16

I don't really understand what she meant by that when I'm telling her to ask for more hugs and to get what she needs if it's not pressing these boundaries. I'm not insecure in this relationship, so I don't know where that came about or why she said that. I still don't know.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

And mind this, I'm sleeping on the couch every day. Mind this, you know, there's certain things I never, you know, only got into bed when we had to do those interviews. You know, only there's certain boundaries that I had too as well. So it was just weird.

SPEAKER_06 42:39

It's a weird little situation. I still don't it doesn't actually logically make sense. I told her maybe you got me being curious or my emotions confused with being insecure, but that's not at all the the situation. I was never worried about Monica. Um, I was worried about not having David in the end, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

Yeah. No, I feel like it was a cover-up, it wasn't hugs or hands. Right. That yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:03

Listen, I feel like I'm pretty good at reading in between the lines. So someone's like asking for more hugs and all of that. I feel like that is her wanting to feel like, oh, I'm wanted outside of my relationship. But then also, that was the one boundary you guys had. Like, and then for you guys to cover all your bases from like A to Z, and then that be your one boundary, you're like, no, I know that that's not what that was at all. And if anything, I was a mature human to come to you and speak to you about it rather than A, lashing out at my partner and B, accusing you of anything. So the way that she's reacting is just I feel like it's more of like a I feel like she's embarrassed. We can irritate it. I don't care. Because, like, come on, like if I'm asking, we've all been there. If I'm asking for hugs from a guy, it's because I think he's cute and I want him to think I'm cute.

SPEAKER_06 43:59

I know, especially because. Because their dates were very intimate already. Like they were very touchy filling in these dates, dancing and and yoga and all these. It just compared to other dates, there was way more touching. So it was I was shocked.

unknown 44:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:13

Gotcha. So so David, let's go back to that uh proposal. What was going through your head for the proposal? Were you nervous? Were you anxious? Were you excited? What was going through your head?

SPEAKER_04 44:22

Um, at that point, it was a lot of growth. So towards the end, Ultimatum Day was just like, wow, I'm ready. Like, let's get this. I should have made this long time ago. You know, I'm excited. Of course, I was nervous, sweating like crazy. I'm a sweater, so I was just dripping. It was beautiful though. It was great. I was ready. Yeah. For sure.

SPEAKER_05 44:41

That's awesome. I remember when I when I proposed to G, like obviously, I knew she was gonna say yes. I knew we were in a good spot. We had a damn child together. And yet I was still so nervous. Like, I was so nervous, I couldn't believe why. I just to this day, it was it was it's funny to think back.

SPEAKER_02 44:55

I love you and it's still a monumental type of thing. Yeah, yeah, it's a very yeah, it's like your your life's about to change, but I really think it's adorable because when as soon as he was like, I'm a sweater, and he goes, Yeah, me too. I didn't think about our proposal. I thought you were gonna talk about proposing to Becca, and you're like in the town, like, yeah, sweat.

unknown 45:18

True.

SPEAKER_05 45:19

And you know what's so funny is I would this is really sad to say, and I'm joking mostly, but our wedding was so hot.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

So hot.

SPEAKER_05 45:28

We were waiting, we were waiting, you know. G was running a little late. I was sitting there waiting in the beating sun in my tucks. I'm like, oh my god, where's my towel? I was like, this is the Maldives all over again. I was like, I'm gonna get roasted like every yeah, I was I was sweating so bad. I don't think anyone's made that engagement. No, not yet. No, that was just yeah, just me. It was all in my head. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Um, but were you guys surprised that all the other couples ended up getting engaged too?

SPEAKER_06 45:54

It was. I was surprised about a few of them, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

Yeah, every single one of them, I was surprised for sure.

SPEAKER_05 45:58

Oh, wow, yeah. Well, this is this one of the first seasons where all of them have got engaged. I want to say. Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_06 46:06

Maybe, I think so, actually.

SPEAKER_05 46:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were surprised.

SPEAKER_06 46:11

Oh my god. I mean, especially with how things played out, it didn't really make sense.

SPEAKER_04 46:16

Yeah, yeah. We filmed for two and a half months and only eight episodes of nine episodes coming out. You know, it's just like whoa.

SPEAKER_05 46:22

I didn't realize that long of a film either. That's a long film, especially for nowadays.

SPEAKER_04 46:26

In Vegas, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

In Vegas, you guys weren't able to go back to your jobs.

SPEAKER_04 46:34

We own a business, yeah. Actually, so we have an employee, we hired an employee.

SPEAKER_02 46:37

Yes, okay, great. Because I got fired after six weeks. So do you?

SPEAKER_04 46:42

So that's why I'm asking.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

And I was in the city, and I went back to my job.

SPEAKER_04 46:48

Well, I can't fire her. Touche.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

Like, she's got half the share. Is that clear?

SPEAKER_05 46:54

So what do you what uh what relationship do you think surprised you the most as far as like getting engaged?

SPEAKER_06 47:00

Ashley and Killian for sure. I was surprised about that. I I was hoping Ashley, because I got along with Ashley pretty well. And we had multiple girls' nights and cocktail nights and things like that. So I actually got to know her pretty well. And I was really hoping that she wouldn't get engaged to him just because they had a lot of growth they had to work through after the show, even so, which is why they're not together anymore. But I felt that with Ashley and Killian. Blake and Haley, too. I don't think that they I wish that they wouldn't have gotten engaged. Same thing, they're not together anymore. So that was another one of those couples I was surprised about. But happy for in the moment, just you when you see as an outsider, you have to totally different perspective, different opinion for us, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:43

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. So let's go back to the reunion. Let's stay back to the reunion a little bit. Uh did you know that you and then Luke and Monica were the only couples that were still together going into it? Did you know before the reunion?

SPEAKER_02 47:55

You did.

SPEAKER_05 47:55

I did. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 47:57

We did, yeah. So, what was the biggest shock for each of you at the reunion?

SPEAKER_04 48:04

Um, I would say when I made that comment, when I made that comment, oh, you better treat it right if you want to walk again.

SPEAKER_06 48:12

Luke was pissed about that.

SPEAKER_04 48:13

And then Luke was like, You threatened my life. I was like, bro, that's not even a threat. That's not even that's just reassuring my woman, you know. Yeah, that's something you should have done for yours, but you didn't, you know. I had to let him know that. But I also told him, you know, I apologize if I if I made you feel that way, not my attention. Okay. But, you know, I'll disrespect her.

SPEAKER_06 48:33

I was and he it was very clearly a joke, too. That's why everyone laughed, but I was surprised he spoke up, which I'm glad he did. If he felt some type of way he has every right to say something and they worked through it. I was surprised that he was, and maybe Monica and Luke talked about this privately, but he was very disappointed in how flirty David was. But at the same time, what I was it's like there both of them were, and nothing.

SPEAKER_04 48:56

I was like two-way street. Like, what's going on? Like he was just like, Yeah, he's David was super flirty. I was like, flirty, but that was with your woman. Like that was your they both were, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:04

Yeah, there's two people in these conversations in in this child marriage, so it wasn't just him being flirty and her being standoffish. That's not at all what I was doing.

SPEAKER_04 49:10

I don't think it was really that much that flirty, right?

SPEAKER_06 49:17

Um agree to disagree to the presentation.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

Hey, listen, David, I'm a I'm a flirtatious guy too. I don't mean anything by it, but like I'm I'm friendly, I'm a people pleaser, like I'm the same way. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

My and my love language is literally compliments. Like, I I'll call everyone darling and things like dad and like baby. So like I feel like I feel like you guys matched based off of like your personality types, and it if that's how you guys are like in your relationship, then maybe you know, outside of it, that's kind of how you guys can communicate. I mean, that's between you guys, but I do like the comment. I feel like the comment kind of offset that too, especially, you know, like just giving Casey that validation. And if Luca's offended, okay, okay, I'm sorry, I I I I I threatened you, bro. I would have done the same thing. I would have literally realized, ha ha ha ha, you better watch yourself. Of course, of course.

SPEAKER_04 50:11

And that's like our sense of humor too, to like if we feel good, then we that's how we communicate, right? So yeah, I know totally.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

So, what would you guys say was your biggest takeaway from your ultimatum experience other than getting married? Yeah, other than actually being married.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

I would say the biggest thing that helped me a lot with that answer at the end of the day was um the way we were able to fight and argue, but resolve it in a lot in a healthy way. You know, we learned how to we learned how to fight with each other, which was the biggest problem before the communication, right? But now it's just like, okay, we can fight with each other, whatever, whatever. I love you two, but yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 50:51

Like before there was no solution when we would argue.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

It was just like, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:55

And I I agree, that's one of the biggest things because it also gives you, you know, that no matter how it's one situation is or how it is in your relationship, you know at this point now that we can work through that and we don't have to be like that all the time, or it's not something that we have to just settle with, because that's what we thought before. We just thought, okay, that's my personality, it's your personality, we butt heads when we argue. That's just something we accept with each other and we'll move forward. But through this process, we learned that you don't actually have to accept that and you can work on that. And then because both of us were so willing. Now, if we do have arguments, it's that we hear each other when we argue instead of just responding to each other, and it it's made a big difference, massive difference.

SPEAKER_05 51:35

Yeah, I love that. I love that that saying of like because some people like don't think you should fight, but like fighting's healthy if you do it in the right way. So, like you said, you like you've learned how to fight. That's kind of I like that like that a lot.

SPEAKER_04 51:45

Everyone, I feel like everyone's gonna argue, you live with them forever. Like, yeah, you're gonna fight and argue, it's passionate.

SPEAKER_05 51:50

You have so much passion for each other, so it's hard not to the second you stop fighting, is when you should be worried. That's what I always say. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 51:57

Would you recommend this show for other couples like that are struggling with commitment? Honestly, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:04

Um, couples, yeah, I would say yes, but couples that are ready or letters it's hard to say.

SPEAKER_06 52:09

If they're secure in their relationship and they're only and they're struggling with commitment, then yes, I think it's good for any couple that is secure in their relationship. If they're not secure with each other or any scenarios or with other people, I would not recommend it, or else it's gonna end up like the other couples where you're not focused on what you're there to focus on. You're instead focused on what the other person's doing or anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 52:30

Yeah, I recommend it. I think it's an awesome show. Like I said, I thought it was therapy the whole every day. We woke up from 9 a.m., 8 a.m. film, you know, six days until 1 a.m.

SPEAKER_06 52:39

sometimes it was just you talk about things that you never would have normally talked about in your everyday life, so it's very therapeutic.

SPEAKER_05 52:46

Yeah, yeah, very therapeutic. All these shows can be very therapeutic. So is there any behind-the-scenes tea that you haven't spilt yet that you want to spill? Is there anything some eyebrow raising over there? Is there anything you guys want to spill?

SPEAKER_06 52:58

Oh, is there anything you want to spill?

SPEAKER_05 53:00

Is there anything you want to spill?

SPEAKER_06 53:01

Well, there's nothing I really want to spill. The behind the scenes, it's interesting because we lived it with these people, and Haley and I got really close after the show. So we are really, really good friends now. And so learning about behind the scenes with those other couples is shocking, and then the unfortunate thing of how people are edited and all of that. There is so much that isn't shown that was so chaotic behind the scenes, it's actually wild.

SPEAKER_02 53:26

Totally. No, yeah, yeah, and then also just like the aftermath, too, where it's like sometimes you think even though that was crazy, you kind of leave it off being like, Well, you know, we'll always be like family because we went through this and it's a trauma bond and all this. And then as soon as it comes out, a lot of dynamics change because of the edits, and because of this, and because of that. So that's also something that I've experienced.

SPEAKER_05 53:50

Yeah, I'll say I always say with these shows, there's always like four phases. It's like you film, then there's that time between filming and airing, and then airing, and then after airing, because that after airing, everything can change because those I those in-the-moment interviews that you do sometimes they can say something you don't like, or you say something, and it's a lot. There's a lot of different relationships.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

You don't know how people are gonna react or what they start saying in interviews, and then you're just like, Well, I'm gonna tell what you did. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go on he said she said and scrap some tea.

SPEAKER_06 54:18

Oh you're gonna also having the world see it all at that point, too. They have a lot of opinion, and so people can be triggered by that.

SPEAKER_04 54:25

And it's I know I'm already seeing the three promise ring comments that like girl, bye.

SPEAKER_06 54:32

So funny.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

You're like, it took a lot for me to do that, and it's like, yeah, no, it's crazy. Something that I've noticed even to this day, is just like the last thing that you're expecting, the last thing, it won't even, it won't even cross your mind. That's what people take out of it.

SPEAKER_05 54:50

Yeah, like that's what they were rag on. Like it's something you're like, what?

SPEAKER_02 54:54

What? That was really nice of me, right? I really I thought I handled that well, or like that's the last thing I was expecting. And you're just like, damn, man, like there's no peace. I'm just you just have so the so basically, just your reality, what you two share is what's true, is what matters, not like the aftermath of what people are picking up something that happened like a year and a half ago. It's like, no, we've already dealt with that. It's like complete water under the bridge, but that's also why I really like Netflix, the way that it takes so long for it to air.

SPEAKER_03 55:27

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 55:28

Because it's been months and months and months, and you're like, that feels like a completely different person. I've already overcome that obstacle, so you guys can talk about it all you want. I'm okay.

SPEAKER_06 55:38

100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:39

You guys are so good in your relationship, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

So we know that we've played a little BDE at the reunion, but we have one more game for you.

SPEAKER_05 55:46

We have another game for you. We're gonna play a little uh ultimatum superlatives.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

So think of it like a yearbook, right? So basically, we're gonna name off a couple of superlatives, and you guys choose the castmate that fits it best.

SPEAKER_05 56:05

This will be fun. This will be fun.

SPEAKER_02 56:07

So starting off strong, most manipulative. Killian Killian.

SPEAKER_05 56:13

Oh, okay, Killian, Killian, all right.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

No hesitation.

SPEAKER_05 56:16

Oh, this will be fun. Biggest flirt.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

David, David.

SPEAKER_05 56:22

Love it, love it, love it. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 56:24

Most reactive.

SPEAKER_05 56:26

Ashley.

SPEAKER_02 56:27

Ashley, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 56:28

Okay. Uh best dressed.

SPEAKER_06 56:32

Haley.

SPEAKER_05 56:33

Casey.

unknown 56:34

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 56:35

That's a good answer, David. You did have some growth. We love to see it.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

It's because he's married. Yeah. Most honest.

SPEAKER_06 56:49

Um I would say myself almost. Or I would say or Haley. Haley is extremely honest with everything she did. Sometimes too honest.

SPEAKER_04 56:57

Jessica Grace, I would believe in the show. Yeah, she was pretty honest.

SPEAKER_05 57:03

Okay. Um best advice. None of them.

SPEAKER_06 57:11

Maybe uh maybe Luke, best advice, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 57:17

Okay. Zero. Zero.

SPEAKER_02 57:21

Not even Monica?

SPEAKER_04 57:23

Oh, uh, advice. Um, I don't know. Monica had good advice about child marriage partner. Yeah, definitely. Situational for sure. Yeah, yeah. Situational advice. There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Great advice. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 57:35

Uh, most likely to do another reality show. Haley and Ashley.

SPEAKER_04 57:41

Jessica Grace. Killian, Blake, for sure, Jebin, probably. Jebin, yeah. I was gonna say Jebin. Ashley, Jessica Grace, the whole the whole cast.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

Everybody.

SPEAKER_05 57:52

There you go, there you go. There you go. They they they might even actually. Did you hear that, Casting? Yeah. Uh, most and mature.

unknown 57:59

Jeb.

SPEAKER_05 58:00

Killian.

SPEAKER_06 58:00

Oh, Jebin. Durr. Yeah, 100% Jebin. I forgot about him for a second.

SPEAKER_02 58:04

Most mature.

SPEAKER_04 58:07

Um Idris.

SPEAKER_06 58:10

Yeah, he's pretty good.

SPEAKER_04 58:11

He was mysterious. He was he's older. He was like, what, 38, 39, maybe? I don't know. Something like that.

SPEAKER_06 58:18

I would say myself.

SPEAKER_05 58:20

There you go. Um couple with the most unfinished business.

SPEAKER_06 58:26

Oh, that's still a couple. I would say uh Monica and Luke, but Monica and Luke, just and the couple most likely to get back together.

SPEAKER_04 58:37

I would say Blake and Haley.

SPEAKER_06 58:39

No, I would say um Idris and Jessica Grace.

SPEAKER_05 58:42

Oh, okay. All right. You got two there. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 58:46

Wow. Well Perfect. That was very telling. Yeah, I feel like we just learned a lot about it.

SPEAKER_05 58:50

Because like you, like you said, you guys have a different relationship, obviously. You see things from behind the scenes. So those game kinds of games are always really funny to see what you guys actually see compared to what we see.

SPEAKER_02 58:59

Right, exactly. Some people, but I think we were all right about Kevin. Anyway, uh, so before you go, what's something that you guys want the audience to take away from watching your story on the ultimatum?

SPEAKER_06 59:15

I think one of the biggest things is to have that security in your relationship when you're working on your problems. And if it's meant to work out at will in the end, like don't be afraid to give an ultimatum because the answer in the end is still an answer, whether it's an I don't know or no or yes, you're still receiving an answer. So if you feel that that's necessary, then it's it's okay to put that pressure a little bit on the relationship, especially if you've been with somebody for so long and kind of go from there.

SPEAKER_04 59:46

I would say it's cliche, right? Um the grass isn't greener on the other side, it's greener where you water it, right? So just water your your grass, water your you know, your flower, watch it grow and just enjoy it. That's great.

SPEAKER_02 59:59

And Casey, I would also like kind of ex the payback off of it. Would you say that that's putting the pressure on someone else is also putting yourself first?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:09

I a hundred percent think so, yes. Because you're doing that for yourself to move forward in that relationship or move on.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:15

It's funny because I feel like an ultimatum can be taboo sometimes, and it could be something that people like are it's frowned upon by giving somebody an ultimatum. But I feel like nowadays in the modern dating and modern relationships, like it is like shit or get off the pot, more or less, you know what I mean. And so I think that like having that conversation rather than just like kind of brushing it under the rug is really important. So it's great.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:38

Yeah, it basically puts it in a different perspective. So that person wasn't thinking the way that they are now that there's an ultimatum, it puts their mind in a different shift, and I think that really makes them think like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:51

Well, because it can snap you out of it, yeah, yeah, right? Yeah, and just being like, oh, it has been like five years. Oh, this person does see this future with me. Oh, maybe I need to work on something. Yeah, exactly. So I think it it's able to snap you out of it if you guys are are in the place, which definitely sounded like it's yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:08

I'm so happy for you guys. I'm so glad it all worked out. Uh, this great I didn't two and a half months of filming is a lot of filming. I didn't realize it was that long.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

Yeah, you guys literally survived the ultimatum. Yeah, more than survived, they thrived, man. Thriving. We won.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:23

We didn't come to take part, we came to take over.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

No, and you definitely did. I mean, your your business, your home, your marriage, your wedding coming up. We're so happy and excited for you, and honestly, really impressed. So, thank you guys so much for talking with us today and letting us into your world because honestly, the ultimatum is one of those shows that just scares me. So, I'm I'm again impressed with you. So, congratulations, you guys absolutely deserve it. And thank you so much for being here with us today.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:55

Yeah, can't wait to watch some of the wedding content. We're gonna keep an eye out.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:59

Yeah, you'll see it.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:00

It'll be good. Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Awesome. Thank you guys, appreciate it. Wow, well, that that was great. I love them.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

They're lovely. I think that if anyone were to get married out of the ultimatum, they're the blueprint.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:13

I think they're the real, I think those kids got a chance.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

No, 100%. And I can't wait to see their wedding. This was a lovely chat. I love to see how all these reality shows actually can work, no matter how crazy they are.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:27

So crazier, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:28

Yeah, the crazier sometimes the better. But thank you guys so much for watching. We love doing this and chatting with everybody, getting all the tea. So if you want to see more and Starcross episodes, don't forget to subscribe, like, comment, tell us all the things, feedback, what do you want to see? We're here.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:45

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SPEAKER_00 1:02:47

He said what?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:51

No way she said that.