Masa Depan Energi Indonesia: Tantangan Jargas, EBT, dan Hilirisasi Migas

Pada episode kali ini, host Sofyan Herbowo dan Anggawira berdiskusi mendalam dengan narasumber Erwin Suryadi mengenai tantangan serta arah kebijakan sektor energi di Indonesia. Kami mengurai berbagai persoalan energi nasional, mulai dari kendala pembangunan Jaringan Gas (Jargas) di kawasan padat penduduk, hingga peluang strategis pemanfaatannya di Ibu Kota Nusantara (IKN) untuk menekan impor LPG.

Tonton sampai habis untuk memahami mengapa Indonesia saat ini lebih membutuhkan "Security Energy" (keamanan energi) dibandingkan sekadar mengejar swasembada energi semata! Jangan lupa Subscribe dan tinggalkan Like Anda untuk mendukung diskusi kami.

🎙️ Executive Summary (TL;DR)

Episode podcast Energy Hub ini membahas transisi energi Indonesia dari kacamata yang realistis dan taktis. Diskusi berfokus pada urgensi pembangunan Jaringan Gas (Jargas) di IKN, realita bahwa Energi Baru Terbarukan (EBT) belum bisa sepenuhnya menggantikan peran vital migas di sektor industri turunan, serta lompatan besar kemandirian energi lewat perluasan Kilang Balikpapan.

💡 Key Takeaways

• Peluang Jargas di IKN: Membangun infrastruktur Jargas dari nol di IKN merupakan langkah strategis dan efisien untuk menekan ketergantungan impor LPG nasional.
• Realita EBT vs Migas: Transisi menuju EBT tidak mengakhiri era migas. Industri hilir seperti petrokimia, pembuatan plastik, hingga farmasi masih sangat bergantung pada hasil turunan minyak dan gas.
• Kemandirian Solar Nasional: Peresmian kilang baru di Balikpapan sukses menambah kapasitas produksi hingga 100.000 barel per hari, memungkinkan Indonesia memproduksi solar sendiri tanpa harus impor produk jadi.
• Security Energy > Swasembada: Fokus negara saat ini diarahkan pada pencapaian keamanan energi (Energy Security) untuk menjaga stabilitas ekonomi, alih-alih memaksakan target swasembada energi semata.

❓ Q&A Strategis

Mengapa pembangunan Jargas di masa lalu sulit terealisasi? Membangun infrastruktur pipa gas di kawasan yang sudah padat penduduk sangat kompleks, memakan biaya tinggi, dan berbenturan dengan tata letak kota yang sudah ada. Itulah mengapa IKN menjadi momentum emas untuk membangun sistem Jargas yang ideal sejak awal.

Apakah EBT mampu menggantikan migas sepenuhnya? Untuk saat ini, tidak. Meski EBT sangat krusial untuk keberlanjutan daya listrik dan transportasi, material dasar untuk berbagai industri (seperti plastik, pakaian, dan obat-obatan) mutlak membutuhkan produk turunan petrokimia dari sektor migas.

Apa dampak ekspansi Kilang Balikpapan bagi Indonesia? Peningkatan kapasitas produksi ini secara drastis mengurangi beban impor BBM (khususnya solar jadi), memperbaiki neraca perdagangan energi, dan membuka peluang ekspor untuk produk turunan migas lainnya seperti Polipropilena.

⏱️ Timestamps

0:00:00 - Highlight Topik Podcast 0:00:43 - Opening Podcast Energy Hub & Perkenalan Erwin Suryadi 0:01:25 - Mengapa Pembangunan Jargas di Masa Lalu Sulit Terealisasi? 0:02:00 - Peluang Emas Membangun Jargas Sejak Awal di IKN 0:03:11 - Mengubah Paradigma: Jargas sebagai Moda Transportasi Gas yang Efisien 0:04:39 - Dampak Jargas Terhadap Rantai Pasok dan Bisnis LPG Saat Ini 0:06:50 - Pandangan Terhadap EBT: Apakah Mampu Menggantikan Migas Sepenuhnya? 0:08:18 - Peran Vital Migas untuk Hilirisasi dan Produk Petrokimia 0:09:17 - Tantangan Harga EBT dan Kesiapan Daya Beli Masyarakat 0:14:33 - Disparitas Harga Energi (Batu Bara vs EBT) dan Beban Fiskal Negara0:18:40 - Keterbatasan Lahan Nasional: Benturan Sektor Pangan, Migas, dan Hutan 0:19:52 - Dampak Peresmian Kilang Balikpapan Terhadap Kemandirian Solar 0:22:24 - Peluang Ekspor Produk Turunan Migas (Polipropilena) 0:24:26 - Pentingnya Ekspansi Aset Migas Indonesia ke Luar Negeri

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Model Pamilihan Transportasi gas in him.

SPEAKER_04 0:03

Young Tradam Pak Manti, Katika, Bis LPG, Nibberkur.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

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SPEAKER_04 1:08

Edukasi Dadi Banyas Kali. Yeah. Tamintari. Challenging Apa then Apa see uh young bed. Energy then can dari uh Sisi Masarin Malayak, Apaharoskita Kenchang Lagini Edukasik Masaraka.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Yeah. Jargas itu but too yes, you dare lama. Tapi issu enter that young manarik dari jargas itu a la carna pranchana tida matang. Oh jari sulit, the town dwaribus mbiland or bus pulu, jargas itu di bangu, the tana pamukiman bacasi young pamebasanya sanga sulit. Okay. Pada gasiada. Yeah media gasi infrastructure bangun.

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SPEAKER_00 1:50

And do orang bloom to figure bow gas itum you disabua commoditas young bike unto makidupi uh rumatanga. Mamanuika butu han energy rumatanga to chon to lookita mahu burfir bija young na manika and barunya and to the gaboon there is currents jargas nya source nya di peha em kalimantan ad yeah the be cate gas mua. Dedicated unto mangurangi import LP Gisalahatunya Masukan jargas tady di lingukanika and atopunde radaraya akanikam bakan or the m rinta. Yeah masuk nya si to do infrastructure than ga nati the harsh mumbong karpa muki mani admashiko songsum money na master plan in layaman rush but the res to judan baangata di baba bagimana uh collaborasi inter uh departmentaryan the reprencharan dibapana infrastructure as de muda investor nya itu masukman ya kandur ni jaringany was a pratiapa di support o leh, tomantamandari, uh timiapa basuki gidia Bahu bisajala ni semua.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

Itukimana charanya composisyartina kanga significa di baninginga nyangini. Nain gimana ni confersinya ni supaya subsidi nyangabsara.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Kalosa do gini. Ittukan sabandana L P G L N G C N G Gas, uh Jarigan gas too. It too hanyas boa moda transportas.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

But distribucia, yellow distribucia.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Kita jangan bichara boa or colo on tok nyalakan comport, house packet gas empacha pain vilang. Manches had to chuwa t di bottle can liquified petroleum gas. Can it masala? Tabi apaka to be sort. Bisa. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Na itula makaya canapa, more the pamilihan transportasic gas in him. Nani paling efficient, gas. Did that draw besar? Tapi bisamiru said to complexatu a you the hido to buy to it significant pasty a coming rock LPG. Pasti Pasti. Pasti. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:04

Yeah, Tapi Mamang Tam Tantang Anya the di colo uh maserum yam pekan book and hanya delam context uh panya diaprosa you get young tradam pack manty katika bus LPG nibracur. Young young should uh should um yeah, the podcast you can get a bit of a black black and a year and uh the lambrante pass of LPG, should the Tao Samas, young Punya again, Punya Pang, and then you begin a katiawandil and the Banarnia Khadigan uh bochoran to besaria, then pollutant, you go mass my duk bar and you go and do casi brief at the policen uh recommendation at Yuga, then there's a protamine and something uh can be sinking you back again the profit marika yuga and strategy at the pat yuga.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

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SPEAKER_01 6:47

Kita Bichar, Panda Maserwin, it to so uh a betu given.

SPEAKER_00 6:52

Apaka huda kita isat and him laku can it'll you go young sarakasuru how do you go museum rebuat apasi buttle apaka magic and district, apaka transportasi, canaba mahamansaya, gamunken plastic, it to the packet the boat tanpa at the oil and get you to jaman the commentary and infestasia banga yeah itum pekani and a mana poon industry by the Riminyak Mabunga. Yeah colo that is the panangarizana, Ebete Prana Diman. Nagy comprehensive itumia, but Sabandaria for Musida Ebete Apadulu. Okay. Kala Bicharakandara An Mishakan. There's Karambarumunch only in Daran District. Subluft to Kita Barkboard Ebete do I suppose the manakandaran. Sambem the Ingat Pana, Kita Bikinchi and G the Mobile Black Kitabas, Transformation Hurstow Segment, Mana Modikar Jackson. Yeah, Jedi Jangan the Yangaba. Oh, the ABT is the end of the oil and guessing to Charapandang Baha. Salasatu program hili risasi and the chanang or pa president and pa mantrias them itukalotida oil and guess. Hillirisashi ni ad. Then sacara and se batunya, the pratamina dang sugalamacham uh anappro sanya, itusuda punya hili risasi and dwarbiasa. Tingabagi manas kana hili risasi. Nimri, mm buat product product lobbi akurat lagisapi beside the tri mali masaraka. Sara pegan bawa tadikal brio suda chirita masara persepsi, uha, eba tatas bagesumber ander gisem chrita, boa ininga bisa tergandika. Yeah. It's not the end. Jitap na manya explorasi, na manya exploitasi, nkana at the poho industry and tida tida bi sa hilang the.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Yep, yangan kan wung si pon industry to ntuk munganti kan minyak than gas, adjust bagay bahan baku, ababahan super energy, itu kaya nya masibu wahtu yang sangat pa and jang.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Sangha, sang kana, it'a the political will you can lupa pamberintah brani, misha kamanga, blomita bobasaka sango, we li patosh, perse kabalik brani a pombrintah managan hargaini. Kanna kanakita the brother pasati gatiga, presu chambaikan ole uh presid wam itusamp bo ito de la hak nya masyara kato patan harga yang layak layak besend harga itala harga yangitun bike. Yeah, karangato, kita bakai beta to snack dua kali pat pambrita baninga do chita youga ya muji counter patuaduanya, pamarin masyara katu mukin, bisanga, bisaka surita surita, pi pamita youga mahunga mumbarikan babantamban kuba de masyara kati rasanya, pamarinda kan mukinga mejalan tsabu. Singata di batu transforma sito orplan palan, kana uh sakaran pun youga suda mole lumayan sisabunya bete tapi untuk listri, masi lumayan, kanasuda adda, technology technology, kanasuda le nkopanjang, market size the dunia jugosuda mole baik, naito sudamole adda, uhangura, pangurangand the rivia ya. Tida visa, model nyña de la reforu siada jambi beso gatingga. Namunkila, yeah. Jedi rasaya mukin the the the forum forum superti mugin hard difahami yuga bawa, kita mk mumbuat cluster. Yeah, e bete e two subredi fousia akan comana. Yeah, subtendi kitangamungga cluster nya yuga. Didi youngansa muki tabila pukurata bo abete to sumua orefer. Sama ka misahan sa batanya baanga katbanga, brandinga, kalona sawa tangatana gasuria. Yeah, de panubangatama to fryning. Alabrani, Io kita jobba. Alangabraniya ye arti ya blow.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

Batranya swango mas erwinda memang prchanaya matan that you got rush consistency kabija kan. Tonto tadadiang tonto mas erwin sanya katika wak paduwaktu munkin saying it uh confersi uh the transportation public ding and mguna kan gas kituya. Na itukan tarnyata yuga tida consistent gidalo, naskarni you maserwin, banyang febbeges febege ni yang yang idol gidelo, idol nga termanfa atkan, uh kabija kanya den mkin yga mkindi kisambatan uh podcast ini yugekita uhin agarpomango kukupatingan yuga uh ya bisap membri kamperhatia nya. Anang saya n youga nduaset nga rang di bangun badawahde to ykukuba nyak yuga along asala, pulwanan tapi, kyan sa che yuga di la pangantranyta, uh disbagian uhkutan public yuga yeh kaya de bajai di uhsi to masimaka yuga ba. Yuga uh pantintabimukins kalany mangar s lbi liluas la gigituye bukanhanya untuk uh transportasi, kebradan aspe bigini tabi yugabisa yga untuk tady, untukman subtitusia tomangandi kan disoktor Hore kayakana, kabutuan young uh LPG young commercial youga sad and kalopake young uh panamanya si and gni ato inikan hargani bi sala bi muraya. Ydi sala satunya masa yangarunya consistency kabi ja cani gadangan basalai raibeda gandila gany gandila skalaginikanbukan orusan samata mata di commandan S M can kalunika the commentrian kiprindustria na tom can youga the commentrian probuga and yedini aros haros bik bicharanya uh long time middle bicharas karan can to do a polika plutahunya canata longa ya massive yuga get a lob but I don't bahany too subne could be jahani too colon trites put uh uh gas unto transportasi, subne idea awanya it to adults transportasi to harus close loop.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Makaia transjakarta di bangun. The concept gas. Idea can sit to lapangisha can the tap motor the top motor the tap maso feeder akan malik lagi. J do the young up near the pack consumer public young sangatri, but na canal bimuda, halo young await, loop. Nanjari can you a kabija lagini, dari, dari, darita karta nya the repemda uh the kayaji banjakni orusa niang mema harus uh separate bila, haris pakati labsama.

SPEAKER_04 13:37

Panting Yugan, uhan informasi and comprehensive. Yeah, karas ham how can't banak influencer influencer yang you get balanced. Mkam Banyaga, Lanzu bichara gidulaya jedi jedi up, now it's gonna but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Then said Ankap Kabudian, Bicharanya sector nya fragmented y too. Knapa sector energy and so ale bit trend that you made uply more percent. You gakan adat kluaranya, industry petrochemical, young itu kabuto kbutuan sari hardi ituk too much, yeah, bad plastic, yeah. Yeah, bakano bato batan, yeah butanya tambolim? Yeah, carbon gana sisnia gana than then than than line line ituyo diana yang buttuk maman. It too young young ruler du casi. Same bali lagi so al listric tadi, misa misangita kbalik lagiswa listric uh bachabaca ni can kita tra exposabacha ja, kita seta u misale bacha, uhaba tu bara, young diblad, misanich mumpat sen itu misanya. Rus, calo, misanya young uh diblidery ebete, ratarata, misanya, milan spulusen. Itukan skarambi malagi bli andini magasampa pulusen in.

SPEAKER_04 15:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

You have educated you can baratus can mm parkawehanyalo. Then scar rang kitat jewal list trick it to Sribuli Maratus kalongasala. Sabri along a chas it buli maratus can per kawe anya kalongasala. The disparitas are gai can luarbiasa bisaria. Nah, and it too diapines but jeep, disaducisiya, mumbrikan, harga energy, by minya gas dan listrick, it is a swiding and diablinya masarakat. Tapi disaducisi can bubad fiscal nya besarbangat.

SPEAKER_04 15:37

Yeah, yediramin can harga. Maman sea colo sa yeah, but you ba the industry but to barragan. Yedi memang yeah at many the industry but to barani do you copsa for you guys but you tahun yeah, uh to you can town lapani, uh to the other can I can uh harga them or the capping to you pull up and you gotta cost passi can I trust then yeah this is qualitas yeah, yet to you, yeah, and on the fact you banyak and mem, but actually under spec yeah, you can pro the picker can yuga ya this line geta mem pollu harga energy affordable, tabi disiline yugahus mm kirkan, clawsukan industry niggas ibar get dua matawang yanguskita yuga chari format yang yangta patia yrim rosaya arusele prati and yugani and industry but industry batubarra yuga mlaku can process transgia artinya uh Dalam contest Pangola Anjakans but re said the munkin can panguna and Ifi, punguna and picket, pasiken kosyak and tambaya kwa ji bans for dito tabid uh gadicing, but to in sumber the army and milicol and garaya tabi line can yuga the lam C C Usa hai nican haris di prohatika yuga giron youga bes uh diversificati to salasatu.

SPEAKER_01 17:06

Kalonga gama infest yugan.

SPEAKER_04 17:07

Yeah, topambangan took munkin pasar win hili risassi yuga the kwajiba yuga, yakati kamaram uh tamantamandi uh plac industry new to manda patan prapan yangan yeah, you pay kakan salasa to kwajiban in tokan untook uh mlakuka hili risasi but er withabi calo di gasara kwahansa firm is kwajji ban on tokili risasi ni orse very challenging you gagitolo calong adas uh solu siant patya ini brat you gagitu.

SPEAKER_00 17:39

Another man bangalaman gaming rush uh dari migas, migas and galamatami too. So butonia initonia the la ton besadin gara. Kanapa young musikita sa di mansa tuba whoa gita punya katabata san la han. Okay. Lahan pardi musia. Sat in Lahan Padi, Tabra, cansa Malhan Migas. Adalagi, Hutan Musidi Jaga, Sadi Tina Hutan. Hutan didalamia the migas. Yato, Kamura Balagi, uh pain to sickan and peppertahan and the gara di laut laudanna. It's one migas. Bayangan baggy manaparienta in mum baggy, so payata di, so calamusaya, ego sector, subness more puritas canata yet too, can gatchuman energy. Yeah, Malkanania Palu, yeah, yeah, to Pratahanan immuniaparu. Natapi, Dalamatur Tata Rwangi Yan Tabata Stadi, it do harsh at the ton dari or an umsa. Yeah. Yeah. Jedi Yedi Apa should uh uh plan besar it too, it do harsh the jalanga by Jangan Sapen and Titao, Sakaranja di Yangeneza Equiti Dari Awata on Duaribu, Mishagan, uh Dulula Hanya on Tuksawa, Sakaranja dishabi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rebut Lagi, machanberpurang. Yeah, but yeah, Rasanyani Jangan Sampe uh a patra jadi and uh discussion salah. So ego sector, the can you orang by some. Who can ego sectoral priority? Tabi Purdue Atulvi Baik, Supaia, Jala ne mashing mashing, output outcome ya, maximum, the gun la haniad was genius. Yeah, some bad beside adamigasia, it doesn't matter beside the tamay saw it, it doesn't matter, but besides the tana me, uh, didn't you are taking hard Bijasanala to Mugin Tamanda decide to marin chari jadisanya baruprasmyan?

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Formasarikas the Balik Papa and Jedi Muken Maserim besides the name Gumaranya Tanga Aldua Blastalaya.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Prasmiya the nine salatu uhti bo numbahan sratusribu uh a berrel unto production nanti, it would less buatro bosan, unto ponin cartan capacitas kilangita mjeli bike. Yeah the risatu comma satujutta barrel per hari mjedi satu commandu a juta barrel per hari.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Oh, Namba Sratus Ribura tribu. Itukilang yang di dalam the grid. Total capacitas ya gitu.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Jadika lauran su kasala, uh seni digo, gasala, canasuga ham and ka itu, numbratus ribu barrel itwa de la produxy haryan dari hulumigas. Butul yeah. Tapiang bisadimasakunya, and dua duajuta. Sakaran satakama dua. Yes, yang tadinya haras import product, itu adalas kitarli maratusribu barrel per day. Okay. Itugangita kita separti. Na sakaran ngitam bands ratusributa di two, maka kabutuhan solar, young akandi bangun, the beside the masaks in the ridilamgri, itusuda trapanuhi. Yeah. Jedi umdula program the uh president by mantri initiatonuhi.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Jerikalapunanti at the import uh product young re jedi, yeah. Yeah, it too tida solar. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

Uda fasty one hundred percent the pastolar, it should be sediment. Yikalo at the udang like import product, yeah. Like import solar. Yeah, it's a product solarity.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:33

Jedi Tamba, but beside the VCR import crude pasty can be hard, you can be selling competitive, but you can import product.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Young party must be difficult, multiplier effect. But what they can get, like a carjack. Yeah, document. The poor industry punugast the other product to run like industry petrochemical. Yeah, yeah. Young Sakana can malobi hikabuha degree. Oh, okay. Malabisa export is an export. Subinikani Bua para industria. One that asperbindo than heat me, Puna initiative onto but infestation, and polypropyl and mongo. No. It doesn't delete us a product. But you get solar satu half, solar satuhat, product to runaway. Can I tool dichari? Yeah. Prosa Pros and Dichina di Ruan. Okay. Product produce particular study. I'm busy beside the Magam de product product, the gun resist and development. Hallo getascara Punya product. Maum Locan Apa research and development. Bakan Mangundan infestor that it loan bang public energy? Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:31

Yeah, it took some pinganya. Sampinganya tantunya pasti punya dampakin. Subtulya, addaran chanangassi, the Indonesia's in diri untook stratus percent crut the process Indonesia to Adangasiranchana. A toka apakakita punya apasitasana.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Uh Sebandarni itu ituswatu young saharus nya. Kita Aliat Dari Sayatida tida bukan bukana kin gasana. Tapi dari pangalaman kami bebrapa uh town trahiri ni diulumigas, yeah, yang sa elyat adalatamuan trahirini s ralugas. Oh, okay. Kita kita balumprana katamo ja in discovery that minya. Okay. Kalapun adaya palinka ykamaran met kodu a puribu. Kan anka mosikitu. Yeah. Gardalagi katamuanga satujita li paribuga di manaman di the kalimantan misa kanitu gas.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

Arousya kaya parti patamina yuga expand youardon. Pangwasa andi dokan bo canhanya pongwasa and yangidalam degree, delam yogi at nya pangwasa and yukitamisa uhtamina kya sama, the mana the as the zyergansibly pra patam patanglae in togan the sanakanito besa the pois youga the luar yuga yamkin to strategi patamina yugars aggressive than expansive bookanika lam, the big yuga. Luar so pike asset ini but uh besalb big and clan mumandal can uh produxida no gri, yamugin yeah at least numratus ribu atomkit targets at the yuta beral and then consumed to be said you bear yadi gimarani uh strategic pan expansive you panting what young other depro make it beside the given given yeah the uh production sharing contract contract industry who can salu partnership yeah canadi pracha yeah but what's in the joinagil and the great join a gilowing to Juanya the law and to bring back the barrel home.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Okay, yeah, can I call it digita udangada? Ms. Hagan gathered Patronas Kanapa, Hard Purgique Iraq, Miss Hagan. Can it Marika you got yakin bo capacitas America the Malaysians near bloom to subsari to America uh Katiga S, yeah, so by America you go punya aset the Iraq, Punya Asadima? Yeah, yeah, expansive to Juanina di Bagimana, Kabutuan uh, Krota di Tarpanui, yeah, it do beside the mana saw two young solids.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Yeah, yeah, but Venezuela you have the same.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

It's a masala supply chain strategy. Yeah, to hang a pilihan strategy, Papu ni took to join the lapmanuhan, that the end security button.

SPEAKER_04 26:46

Bagimanang is languing colour, turn bet yani, the town waribo named konsolidasinya than uh Subrapayaki ni mang erwin, baha uh kita ni sa besor five da malawa tantangini.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Kalo Bicharitu, Basi young sebendan yeah, uh Pamanuhan itu I solit. Yeah. Astachi tati and solita das wasn't by the energy. Yeah. Some one you're gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 27:21

Security to artinia is a strategy dialam, the bit you get by the occupancy, young de lua, and calakanaros permitra yuga the same at dunya you garus maredux and kalukitangabisa uh daleda you says by your solar positive, yeah. Tabikan bugan strategy communication you gaga yang pay to law by the hero mia it to hala if giddelo, but then it's a positive, yeah. Na it began by a ring malicious panic.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Kalomorusa repetitive research and development. Yeah, yeah. Kadan Kadan Munrosa, in the can sep uh, Kita Nikan Tarbia, Sadangar Kandulunara see that lansun jumpada se boa product existence. Kamudan Nantinaika pilot project, kidia, kamudan baruka mesh production. Nakadangadan, nuan sadari, nuan sadari tamantaman uh the repomber trans karangadan, lansun jump to mesh production. Pada nila krijja sama, young kuwa superti energy hapini mundursaya, manda tankan para uh islanya para uhtamantamandari universita. Pantinga was a manda effect yeah, pasi the Tabus do research beginning beginning that record segment that's a young and young and mareka harsh the aja un doctor butalam project research in character at the pan.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Yeah then break up beside bichara the gun by ship.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

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Sa unduk samasama, nikita mya second problem, yeah, energy national. Yeah, yeah. Then Mukin Basya Batul, Bukan Swasameda, Karan Madagaramasis Karang Yang Bisa Mamunuika buttu anasidiri, yeah, sa kira Apapun breka pasti buttu uh darinagara line uh misalya yansatu okay minak bayang tabiya buttu gandua papunla. Yedi mukin butul isila uh uh bang aweta di soal security, yeah na masala inikita tumpahandu satumajanti, kita samasama tausabat energy, uh kita kancho ba untuk uh energy hub, untuk bahas barang barang, yeah, masala mangurai, persuala an energy national, untuk samasama, kita prabagi p canap bagemana punjuga, uhan rumabrasama Indonesia Mabusama, Kalo Kitanga, Biza Bangun Brasama, Kita Motinga Lima Nalagi to Kirakira. Dita Dunia Yang Panukitida Pastian Scarang in Ito. Ya Kirakira Itu uh Bro Awe Bang Erwin Prima Kasi, Sudam Breaker Contribution Yas, Bagay Pangawal, Discussikita Kadapan. Kira Kiraitu, Sampa Jumbalagi. Thank you.