Bully Pacino

On this episode Bully Pacino a local aspiring artist, and crypto enthusiast sits with Papazoe & Walk Da Walk to discuss his new music, his wins, his losses, and what's next for him. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey, it's your boy Bully Pacino. Catch me on the Papa Zoe Show.

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Yo, what up? What up? What up? You already know it is, man. It's your man, man. Papa Zoe, the Papa Zoe Show.

SPEAKER_01 0:09

And your boy Walk the Walk is in the building. You know what I'm saying? Hey, Papa Zoe. Yes, sir. Who that is you got over there, man? The big bully.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

Bully Pasciano. What? Bully Pasciano. Did I say the right? Did I say the right?

SPEAKER_00 0:25

That's good. Bully Pacino. You got to go. Bully Pacino.

SPEAKER_02 0:32

I said in the Creole, yeah. I sit in the Creole. I can't be talking Creole right now. I can't be talking Creole. Bully Pacino, damn it.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Yo, man.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

How you doing, my brother, man? Welcome to the show, man.

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Doing great, man. Thanks for having me, man.

SPEAKER_02 0:46

Most definitely. Today we're doing a clean show. Be no Bel Air popping. No bamboo. No BNB mix. We clean the date. But we still rep Bel and Bamboo already, already, already, already. Yo, man. Where you from, man?

SPEAKER_00 1:02

So Dade County, man. Dade County, you know, I'm you know, a Miami boy all day. Um, I also rep Detroit too, because you know, my pops he's from Detroit, and you know, a lot of my family, you know, was there and I lived there, you know, for a time in my life and back and forth, you know, pretty much all my life. So I'll say like Detroit, Michigan is the second home for me. But I'm a Dade County boy all day, man. Miami boy for real. Um, you know, and yeah, man, I'm Cuban, Cuban and Danish. I come from different background, it's unique.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Um yeah, man, you know, I know you know, two years ago, another cut you are two years ago. I was I was in Cuba. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, I was in Cuba, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Okay, okay, yeah, yeah. I man, you beat me to it because I haven't even gone to my own country.

SPEAKER_02 1:42

Well, you were born in Cuba?

SPEAKER_00 1:43

No, no, I'm born in Miami. Yeah, I was born in Miami, but you know, I yeah, I haven't been to Cuba. And you know, I guess it's kind of a thing, you know, the Cubans. We have this thing against, you know, it was Fidel Castro. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, not to say they have a we have like a hatred, you know, for Castro. So it was hard. But I I'm definitely gonna go, you know, my.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

I love I loved it when I went, man. I had a good time. It was beautiful, man. Beautiful. You know, people, your mind, you know, because you gotta remember, I'm from Haiti. Right. Originally were born in Haiti, but I was raised here. So, you know, it's the island vibe. I love the island vibe. That's why I'm always in Jamaica, me and my homeboy Waterwalk. We always, you know what I'm saying, the island. We love the island, man. Tell you. You know what I'm saying? And Cuba is another, it's a beautiful island.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

We all brothers.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Yeah, that's what it is. People don't get that. Oh, definitely. All day long, man. All day long.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

We all connected.

SPEAKER_02 2:32

So, what's your background, though? Like, what's your what's your background?

SPEAKER_00 2:35

So basically, uh, like I said, you know, Cuban and Danish, um, you know, uh, I would say, you know, my father, you know, his family, you know, he um his whole family came from Denmark, you know, so it's an interesting background. Yes, it's yeah, and you know, his whole family, they actually, you know, came overseas, you know, here. And so uh, yeah, my entire family on his side, they're all from Denmark. And so I have like, you know, that European blood, which is an interesting cross because there's very few Cuban Danish people, you know, Cuban or Cuban Americans. So yeah. Um, and then you know, the Cuban background as well. My mother, she uh comes from La Habana, you know, born in Bay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh, and she has an interesting story because uh she was, you know, they all had to, you know, come from the Bay of Pigs, you know, and that was a time and era, you know, back in the 60s, they had to basically like flee the country because that's when communism took over. Um, my grandfather was a pilot and he um he stole an airplane. Whoa, yeah, and took the entire family and flew the whole family over to Miami. To Miami. And he basically he robbed uh he and it was a friend of his because you know he was a pilot for Castro for a long time. Yeah. And he basically he took a gun and he like it was it was a tough situation, but he forced the pilot. He said, Look, man, you're my boy, but I gotta do what I gotta do. If you don't let me get this plane, you know what time it is. Where y'all landed at? Opalaga? Opalaka, yeah, where y'all landed at? No, no, he landed in uh Key West. In Key Key West, that's where he landed. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, they came to America with a hundred dollars. You know, and that's how my family, you know, on this side, my mom's side, you know, all started, you know. So yeah, and they went to Little Havana, you know, and they lived out there for you know for a lot of time. Yeah, you know, but uh, you know, Cuban people they know how to like you know build, you know, from the world. Most definite. Oh yeah, oh yeah. We're grinders, man. We work hard. Oh, yeah, you know, and uh we don't take no handouts too, man. They want to work.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

So, you know, work for the yeah, work for their food, yeah, most definite.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

I'm telling you, man, you know, so you know, they all, you know, my uncle and my mom, they all you know were very established and they all figured it out, man. Everyone went their way. You know, my grandfather, you know, kept flying here. He ended up um actually going to to the Congo and he uh flew for uh Pan Am as well, which Pan Am was the American Airlines in that time.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

Right, Pan Am, yeah, Pan Am, yeah, yeah. I remember when I first when I first came to when I first came to you to the U.S. when I was six years old, that's why we flew from from Haiti. We flew Pan Am over here. That's what I flew. You know Panam. I'm six years old. That's what's up, though, man. Yeah, man. Well, that's and I'm really liking the way this show's starting already, man. How about you, Walter Walk?

SPEAKER_01 5:06

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm feeling feeling the vibe already. Feeling the vibe already, huh?

SPEAKER_02 5:10

That's damn it, man. Little boy already on Let me ask you, um what kind of what kind of trial tribulation that you face, that you faced when you were growing up?

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Man, I would say uh many, many trials and tribulations. It you know, it started when I was younger, I'd say about like 13, uh, probably, you know, actually 12. My father, he had to move to Detroit because my brother he went to prison. And so I'd say instantly when that happened, like my whole life changed. You know what I mean? And my dad, you know, he was like the cornerstone of our family, you know. You know, once my dad left, it uh it became hard because he had to be, you know, close to my brother who was locked up for drug trafficking and he did 10 years, you know. And so that kind of changed the whole shift. Um after that, I was you know, pretty much a loose cannon, man, like after that, you know, without having you know that father figure in my life. Um, you know, I didn't, you know, my mom is a great mother. She worked three jobs, you know, she did everything she could to like you know make it happen. Right, right, right. But um, it was tough because you know, you know, without having that parental guidance, I was just, you know, I did whatever I wanted. I was on the streets all the time. I was never had parental guidance. And you know, I was telling her, I said, I started driving a car at 14. You know, and like and like I didn't have a license. Like the neighbor, I would drive everywhere. And the neighbor one day was like, Oh, you know, your son's driving a car, and she's like, nah, she couldn't believe it. But that's that's just who I was, you know, as an early age. There was no limits and no bounds to who I was, like nothing could stop me. If I want to stop, I'm gonna get it.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

I I I I I noticed that though. And I when we when we met, you know what I'm saying? How we met, and then then you you super solid, my boy. I appreciate you. You super solid, you super solid, and and and you know, you don't you don't you seldom meet genuine people that's really like organic. You dig what I'm saying? Exactly. And and then you came out, man, you know what I'm saying? Like organic as hell, bro.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 7:15

And then and then it's crazy because how you always check on me. I'm in South Carolina, you calling, checking on me, you texting me, checking on me. That means a lot to me. You dig what I'm saying? And and then what what what I what people need to understand, right? Like me personally, that I feel like you don't have to know somebody all your life for them to be a real one. You see what I'm saying? You can meet somebody yesterday from the action that person doing, showing they the realest of the realest, man. And then I'm telling you that right now.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Yo, that means a lot of things. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 7:59

That's that's that's real talk, man.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

You can meet someone in five minutes and know.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Yeah, yeah, like my dog right here. You know what I'm saying? I met my dog in I met my dog in prison.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

You feel me? I met my dog in prison, what, 90, what, 90?

SPEAKER_01 8:11

90. I did, but I got the receipt. Finally got the receipts. It was 97. 97?

SPEAKER_02 8:17

Yeah, met him in 97. In the joint, and then and then we've been solid ever since, though. That camaraderie. Day one. Day one, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 8:24

That's amazing, man. You know, especially in that situation, become brothers because you're in a you know, you know, you're in that scenario that you guys both have to like get close to each other and help each other, have each other's back. And and people that have been in that scenario only know that, you know what I mean? And that's right, that's amazing, man. It's hard to meet a real you know, friend, man.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

And and and to to back that up, right? Because when we met, right, we met and for a couple of maybe by a couple of weeks, and he was gone. Yeah, I got kicked out. Yeah, I shipped him. I got shipped, yeah. I got shipped for starting shit. And I ain't see him no more until we we until we got out. But that first initi that that that first initial meeting that we had, yeah, it it already solidified that. Solidified. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

This one here is because that's true. Cause I just well because we we was on the compound maybe like two weeks. And two weeks I did some shit. I got into some shit, and they kicked me out. Oh man. You feel me? And I had to go, you know what I'm saying? And and then and then we didn't seen each other no more till I got home.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Exactly. That's years later.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

That's years later now. And I got home, and now how he know I got home was because one another homeboy we had in there that knew I was out, he got out before me. I knew I was out, told him I was out. Next thing you know, he called me up, he found out my I was out. Guess what he did? I'm on I'm on I'm on work release, but I get to go home on the weekend. This man came by the crib and gave me five grand.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Hey, man. You don't meet people like that, man.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Mind you, just two weeks now. We were together. He came by the crib and gave me five grand.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

That's crazy, man. Hey, you a real one, man. Because I'm gonna tell you right now, bro, in Miami, especially here in this city, very few people show love. You know what I mean? I know. That's why I show love because I feel I'm trying to set the example like you and life, bro.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

And life people don't get it. You know what I'm saying? That you you have you, you, you, you, you can't be selfish. You can't be, I hate, like I said, the word the word self-preservation. I hate that word, that word. I believe in people preservation. I'm telling you. You gotta care about the people, man, and that's that's what it is, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 10:37

I dislike narcissists, you know, and I dealt with many of them, you know what I mean? And that's why like I just guard myself, and that's why I told you when I met you, you know, the first time I would like hit you on the gram and just comment. And I said, you know, that that was real. Like, I cut off every bunny in my life.

SPEAKER_01 10:51

Yeah, you told me the imposters and and and you have to do that though. As you start leveling up, you have to have you're gonna have to cut off some people because you're growing, but then everybody that's they standing still, they still standing still. Yeah, and I bully say he he's trying to elevate, so he's gonna surround himself with people that's go that's that's go that's gonna have that same energy. Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

No, you have to, man. If you if you hang around people that just smoking weed all day and just you know wasting time and just you know, or just whatever, just like all they care about is parting, trust me, that's what you're gonna get. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? And and for me, the way I look at it is like I'm I'm on a new path. I have a vision right now. Like aligning with my vision, you go kick rocks. I'm loving it.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

You loving it up? I'm loving it. You loving it? That's right up your alley. That's right up my alley. I'm that's real talk. That's right up my alley.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

That's up your alley. You know what I'm saying? That's right up your alley, man. I mean, take us back to the beginning. You know, what what first, you know, got you into the music, you know what I'm saying? And you know, the pursuit of music, to the love of the music. What got you into it?

SPEAKER_00 11:58

Man, you know, I would say I I kind of always had a musical background, you know, and and I've always been, you know, around the art, art, you know, arts in general, because my mom, she was uh she's a ballet teacher, but she also was a professional ballet dancer for the New York City Ballet. So I felt like that like that art was always in me, you know, that passion, that striving. My mom understands what it is to really like believe in yourself and make it. Because so what she did is like making the MLB. It's very difficult to get to that plateau. So I already kind of had that instilled. But um really, like I used to have a piano in my house, and I would just sit there and just play the piano keys and just like you know, mess around and like, and I just love music in general, you know. And then I started learning how to like read notes and read. So I I kind of taught myself music. Oh, self-taught. Well, yeah, everything's self-taught, like everything pretty much. Um, and then I'm gonna tell you, I started at six at 1617 with the motif keyboard. So a lot of these producers that they just start on FL Studio and all these, like, you know, they're programmers. I started on the keyboard. So like try making a beat on the keyboard, you know what I mean? That's not easy, you know, like because you got to program it, you know, a certain way. You know, that's a difficult process. Um, you know, and they it's like the NPC. The NPC is kind of a similar thing, but even the NPC nows are easy because they got programming and make it, you know, kind of easy. But the motif, I mean, that was the original way, man. You had to live record everything. You know what I mean? Now I go on FL Studio and I could just program a beat in two seconds, it's just that easy. But um, a lot of these young producers have no idea what the OGs had to go through in the early days. And yeah, we're talking about no internet and all that. All that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For real, for real.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

I had to learn this on my own. Like I didn't have YouTube University, you know, when I was 16. Yeah. Um, and I started on FL Studio 3. That's why I was I tell people, FL Studio for me is like it's my favorite dog, you know. And you have Pro Tools, Logic, FL Studio. But for me, I I never switched up. I learned that, stuck with it. Because I feel like you need to master one program. And once you master it, I mean, why switch up? You know, T Pain said that too. He's like, why am I gonna learn something new? I'm stuck on what I know.

SPEAKER_02 14:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why trying to, yeah, when you why why mess with something that ain't broken?

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

You know what I'm saying? If he mastered it and it's being productive, you might as well stick with it. Stick with it, stick with it. I want to hear, I want to hear uh uh one of your songs, man. Which one of your songs that you sunk that we you want to hear right now? You want to play?

SPEAKER_00 14:20

If you want to put uh you could put the first one, ballin' out. That was the first one I sent you, man. Yeah, yeah, balling out, balling out.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

Let's check it out. Let's check it out.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

I made that beat nine years ago.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Nine years ago.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

Yeah, that beat. And it originally went to Tory Lane's. It was gonna go on his chick's tape. But I guess, you know, like you know, they they listen to so many beats. I don't even know if he heard the beat, you know, whatnot. But I had sent it out to him. So I ended up saying, hey, I'm gonna do the track. And I just, you know, I put it together.

SPEAKER_02 14:43

Okay. Okay. And what the name of it now?

SPEAKER_00 14:45

It's Ballin' Out. Ballin Out.

SPEAKER_02 14:47

Ballin' Out.

unknown 14:55

Cause you know I ain't no average. Yeah, I'm just a ball man. Well, like the man used to call me as man, yeah, and then X-Men, crapping out to the songs now. I know you from Miami because I know you're the mash.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Let me let me uh let me ask you something real quick, right? What did you call that song ballin' out? And what mindset were you on when you made when you wrote it? Okay, so did the beat was nine years ago.

SPEAKER_03 15:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

You did the beat nine years ago. So what so what mindset were you on when you you went back, you checked the beat out, okay, and then you was like, what am I write to this?

SPEAKER_00 15:45

You know, it's interesting you say that because I feel like everything I write is my life. You know what I'm saying? So like people that know me know like I'm that type of person. Like, you know, I always enjoy my life, I balled out, you know, like everything I talk about is the truth. You know, everything in my in my raps is real. There's no capping in my raps. And um, you know, I really uh, you know, I I you know I would travel the world a lot, I go a lot of places, and I like to enjoy my life. You know, I did well for myself over the years. I'm uh, you know, I hustled hard, you know, I hustle hard, man. And so I felt like that's just me, the origin of myself, you know. Like uh, you know, wherever I go, I ball out, you know, you know that's what that's the way I'm saying, hey, ball out, boy.

SPEAKER_01 16:26

That was a nice little vibe, yeah. You know, I appreciate you. Ball out, please. What keeps you inspired though, bully? What keeps you inspired?

SPEAKER_00 16:36

Man, what keeps me inspired is honestly, man, like just this vision that I have, man. Like, I've always had this vision of greatness, you know, and and I honestly um, you know, I look at all the the fuel from the past, the haters, the people, the people that all like kind of like just doubted me, man. Like that keeps me going. That keeps me inspired, you know, because I had I feel like this music is deeper than what everyone thinks. Like, it's not just making the music, this is a spiritual battle.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

You're facing a spiritual battle, and here's why I say this when you're trying to make it, you got haters. You got all these people in the back door saying, oh no, you this isn't possible. This isn't, it's only it cannot be possible because they will never imagine doing something like this. They don't know what it takes, the grit and tenacity. So that inspires me, that keeps me going, that fire. You know, like every day, man. Like I just I you know try to make music. Also, I really have a love for the game. Like I love this, I love making music. Like, this is what I really love. Right, right, right. You know, like I like I feel, and I was telling my wife that I was like, when I make music, I'm at my happiest state. That's where I feel like it don't matter if I have depression, this is where I'm happy.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Music is sooth the soul, man.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

You know, it soothes me, man.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Music in the beginning of time. Yeah, it was music, the harmony, you know. Yeah, I mean, even when the slaves, slave, slave was harmonizing. Harmonizing, yeah. And they were in the state that they was in, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, fact. They still was was was was going through it, but still was was being harmony, harm harmonious in their slavery time. You know what I'm saying? That was that was the way that they could release that pressure to release what they were going through, G.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Walk the walk, what's up with that hat, man? I like that hat, man.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

What can I get one of them hats, dog?

SPEAKER_02 18:15

Well, I mean, I'm gonna put an order in for you. I'm gonna put it in the order for you. You feel me? Because he could go, he could go with my shirt. My shirt you gave me the other day. My Haiti, my walk the walk, Haiti shirt you gave me.

SPEAKER_01 18:26

She came from Haiti. She's like, Well, I got a hat for you. She said, Yeah, I got a straw hat for you. I said, Let me see. She still said, Here you go. I said, Okay, put it on the I'll put it on the show. I love it, man. I love it. I love it, man. But bully, man, I want to I want to find out about that crypto, man. I mean, you are the crypto ambassador and a leader.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

So what made you break off from that? That was a story. I mean, and you know what? I'm gonna tell you the truth. This is something I've been waiting a long time to talk about. Okay, okay. So, like, this is gonna be good. And uh, you know, okay, so it all started in 2021. Um, I'd say it started really in 2020. I bought Ethereum when it was like under $100. Right. So I was, you know, buying Bitcoin and Ethereum, and I got I got in lucky. So that kind of like got me right in there. And like I turned like I turned five to six figures, five thousand or six figures quick just by buying like, you know, the right coins at the right time.

SPEAKER_01 19:16

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

And and so what happened was it's like when you buy these coins, you could either cash out or you distribute it to like you know, the altcoins. We call them shit coins. And I I highly recommend against buying these coins because you, you know, most people get destroyed in the end. And that's what ultimately happened to me. You know, it's it's a lot of greed, um, you know, being thinking that, oh, it's gonna last forever because things, these things don't last forever. Nothing lasts forever. And uh, and you know what I try to teach people all the time, you know, like especially all these young bucks. I saw them get into the meme coins, right? The meme coins recently, and all these meme coins are just they're crap. Like that is the ultimate crap coin. Like, if you you're gonna think that you're gonna get rich off a meme coin, think again.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Think again.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

You know, you ain't gonna get rich, and the only people that get rich are the insiders, and that's what happens, right? Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Educate them, educate them, buddy, educate them.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

I'm telling you, and so this is this is what happened with me. Um, there was a coin LRC, you know, loop ring, and and this is what happened. I um I got on stock twits, right? And this is kind of like started my whole social media um experience. You know, I started learning how to navigate through the realm of social media. I started like just going in on stock twits and and just you know, say, hey, buy this coin, buy this coin, buy that. I was one, I would say I was one of the first pioneers of meme coin shillers. They call it shilling a coin, like you're promoting a coin, you're trying to push this coin. So I was like one of the first ones to really like go hard. Like there was people that would do it, but I went real hard. And and I'm telling you, I gained, I bro, I turned that loop ring, it had 5,000 followers. They went up to like 23 because of me. I started pumping their their whole like you know, page. And from that point, everyone started buying. I started getting everybody in that coin. Bro, I turned this coin, it went from 33 cents to $3.89. And and let me tell you something. I turned, it was like I put 40k into this coin, and I turned it into half a mil. That was a that's a true story. I got the receipts here to show you, too. You know, so um I turned that into a half a mil. But here's the thing, right? Greed, greed, God, and greed, and you know, I feel like that wasn't the moment for me in my life to transition to the next level. Like God, God said, okay, here you go, here's this, here's this money. I could have cashed out and walked off into the sunset, but I would it wouldn't have ignited the flame that I have right now where I'm at. This I wouldn't be here on the Papa Zoe show.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

It took some adversity to get you where you're at right now.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

And and this is what I was telling my lawyer that I'm in my job season. This is my job season, this is my season of restoration. Okay, because I I saw the plateau. I saw the, you know, I was there. I was there, I got to see it all. And I also saw how friends switched up on me. And that was something that I noticed. I had friends calling me that would never call me. Oh, like, hey, what's up, man? Damn, I saw you did well. So, oh, now you want to call me. Now you want to be aboard. And I got to like so God kind of showed me how people switch up when money changes. When you change, you know, monetarily you say, oh, this guy's now, you know, he's now starting to make some money. Um, you know, let me let me get on his bandwidth, let me see what I could pick his brain from. You know, and everybody was now trying to be my friend.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Let me tell you, as soon as everything went to, you know, crap, because that's what happened in 2021, you know, when the new presidency happened, you know, Biden came in office, right? Everything went down. Because, you know, what happens is is uh it's all it's cyclical. Bitcoin has its moment, and then Bitcoin crashes. And then, you know, it's happening right now. We're in that cycle phase.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

You know, it's all cyclical. And so, like all those crap coins, it don't matter if it was four dollars, you know, that thing's going back down to zero. It'll go down to 10, 15, 20 cents. So just imagine people were buying at like three, four bucks, and they were getting hammered. You know, now they, you know, they're they're let's say they put 30 grand at $3, they got like $300 when it was all set. You know what I mean? So I mean, you know, you take L's, man. I took, I took my L, but I had to watch it dwindle down. And that was the worst part about everything, you know, and then it affected my mental health too, man. Because it's like, you know, I was checking the charts every day.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 23:13

You know, like, oh, every day the charts, and I, you know, posting charts and like, and I had this following, like, and everybody depending on me, like, oh, tell them what to do to buy this, to sell this, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

I'm not gonna say time consuming, it's energy consuming.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Oh man, it drained me. It drained me. And you know, there's a few people that follow me now on my IG that they they they're like my supporters, great friends of mine, and and they saw it, they saw what it did to me, and they saw like just the consumption, like it consumed me. Damn, you know, and and just was just uh crypto was just diabolical. And uh, you know, and in the end, so I was the ambassador of this coin for a long time. And I, you know, what's crazy about it when the coin went down, I'm the one who took the flak, not the dudes that ran the coin. They and they had the perfect setup. They're like, yo, he's gonna get all the flak. Like, we they're gonna crush him, not us. So they were in the back. They're gonna crush the middleman, they crushed me, and so I went through hell, like it was messing me up. You know, my wife, there was, you know, she saw how much it affected me, man. Like I was just going through hell every day. Yeah, you know, the almighty crypto. You wake up, this is what we're doing. Exactly, you know, and so for and I'm on vacation, I'm on crypto. You know, everything's crypto. And so I'm telling you, I don't even want to hear about crypto. Like I people call me and it's like, I'm like, man, like who? Yeah, you know, and so I went through it all, man. I took losses like you wouldn't believe, and and that's why I keep saying, like, it's not even just about the music, like, yo, this this like you know, this was something that like really, you know, got me to heart, man. Like, it hit me hard, man. Like, I felt when Nipsey Hustle said he took that loss, because Nipsey Hustle said he took a loss for like 250 bands. I I took a bigger loss than that. You know what I'm saying? And I'm gonna tell you right now, I felt that. You know, I felt that. You know what I'm saying? I'm feeling it now. Because damn.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

So what when you when when you was at that lowest state, what was the what what what idea, what, what decision that you came up with to be able that you was used, that you used to get up out of that state that you was in? What process?

SPEAKER_00 25:11

How that process was? Man, you're gonna, this is a unique, this is interesting that you you asked that. That's a great question. Um, one day, man, I was I just prayed to God. I said, God, this can't be it. This can't be it, man. Like, I ain't trying to do this. Like, I'm not trying to be like worshiping crypto. This is crazy. You know, and and uh man, I go to church. Like God said, No, you're gonna get up, you're gonna go to church today. And I'm telling you, this pastor, man, the like the sermon he spoke was directly for me, man. That that sermon that day was for me. He told a story about JC Penny, how JC Penny was sick, he was like depressed, and that's how I was feeling, bro. Like some days I'd sleep till one o'clock because I was so depressed, I didn't want to get up no more. I didn't want like I was just like done, man. Like I was pissed off, you know, like every day. And I felt that sickness that JC Penny, when he told this story, I was like, wow, man, like that was me.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Directly to you.

SPEAKER_00 26:01

Yeah, and and and you know, JC Penny was in the hospital, and and then I guess he like the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit just jumped on him, and and like from that day forward, he was released. And like, and like the pastor just like he did like a prayer over the church, and he says, You know, I release you now. When he said that, I felt like something came off my back, bro.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

There's that burden just was lifted, gone.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

And and I'm telling you, from that day forward, I didn't even care about crypto no more. It was like it was gone. And I said, you know what, whatever. I took the loss. I'm gonna take the L like a real man.

SPEAKER_03 26:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

What are we gonna do? Cry and complain for the rest of my life? Yeah exactly. I picked up the bat and I started swinging, bro. I, you know, I rebranded, you know. I used to go by Trizzy, Trizzy on the track, but the problem was there's about 67 Trizzies. So I, you know, I really wanted to brand myself. Yeah, so like that's why, you know, bully Pacino. I used to go, I used to go as bull runner on on uh in the crypto realm. So I just, you know, and they would call me bully. They call me bully, and then my boys sometimes would call me Pacino just because the way I was, you know, I'm rough around the edges, man. And so I said, you know what, bully Pacino. You know what I mean? And that was it. You know, that's how it came about. And I'm telling you, I rebranded, I started with 25 followers, I'm at 40 something thousand. You know, and and I mean God is moving. You know, God is moving.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

That's what's up. You you know, you know, I I seen a video you you you post up, right? That you post that uh, you know, you was you was you was I think you out you might have been an overtown, you were somewhere, you was in a hood somewhere. Yeah, over to the house. You was cutting, you were you was cutting hair and then and and and stuff like that, and and then so you so you a barber. How you mix your barbering with your music?

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Man, that's uh, you know, honestly an interesting question, and really I wanted to be creative. Because, you know, that's another thing too. Uh uh one of the other pastors from the same church, he said something powerful. He said, he said, you know, you got all the talents, but what are you gonna do with them? And I said, Man, like when he said that, that hit me hard. And I said, Man, he's right. We got all these talents, but what am I gonna do? I'm a barber, I could produce, I could rap, I could sing, I could songwrite, I could do it all. But I said, you know what? I'm not gonna be like these rappers just putting out music videos and boring content because most people do the same thing. So I felt like I needed to be different. You gotta be unique. And also, honestly, it's my authentic self. And I've always kind of helped the homeless. Like I always used to do it even without like anybody watching. I'll just go down there and I'd bless them with food and stuff like that. But I said, you know what? I'm gonna go down there and cut the homeless and just show them love. And that first day I did it, I put together with the pain in my soul track, and I put it, and it was a hit. It was on it is what it is, you know. Shout out to them, you know, Cameron and them. They they had my stuff up all the time. And um, and you know, I got a you know, notoriety through that, and and people really it impacted people, and it impacted the homeless guys. And then I even met uh a young dude, Rocco, that I really got love for, man, and I've been trying to help him, and it's my dog. Like, I really got I call him, I hit him up all the time. I was just talking to him today. And uh, and you know, he he's he just was so appreciative of the fact that I like was just treating him like a brother, you know, and and like and I just we're lifting each other up. That's what we're here for. Yep, you got a big heart, boy. I I love people, man.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

You know, and that's what that's why me and you get along, you know. People preservation, real recognize real. That's why me and you, that's why me and you hit off and we click how we click, because you you you you got you gotta love people.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

You gotta love people.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

You feel what I'm saying? And it is what it is, man. If you start, like I said, people preservation, bro. I'm telling you, and that's deep. That's deep, man.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

You know, I I said it in one of my captions. I said, you know, because you know, there's a lot of people, like we all fall short of the glory, right? Nobody, none of us are, you know, yeah. We all got flaws. But I say this, you know, like all these people that try to act perfect. I say, hey, you say you love God, but do you love his people? You know, and and that's that's really like what I've been really just trying to preach to people. And like, you know, like it's not about being perfect, just show the next man love, pay it forward, you know, give back. You know, that's a part of this giveaway that I'm doing right now. You know, it's like I'm doing that giveaway because I'm really trying to change the culture, the way rappers and artists are perceived. Like everyone's so selfish in the rap game.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

Talk about the giveaway, talk about that real quick.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Oh man, that that's that about unbelievably impactful. I mean, everyone, when I tell you how much impact I've had on that giveaway, um, so basically, I'm giving away a preamp, a microphone, a mic stand, um, a keyboard, and also it's not just a giveaway. I'm gonna produce them a song and help them structure a song and kind of work with the artist that I'm picking. I had a bunch of artists, I had like three, four hundred submissions, all these people sending me songs, and I was going through them. And um, you know, I'm I'm gonna pick the one guy that I like this song the most. And so like I feel like it, and you know, somebody that truly deserves it, that needs it, that's on a struggle.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

And so, like, I want to change the way these giveaways are perceived. I kind of felt some type of way. Some dude said on the, he's like, Oh, two people were like, Oh, this is cap. Like, nah, this ain't no cap. This is the real deal. Like, I'm really blessing somebody, I'm gonna change somebody with this musically. Like, because there are people that, you know, they go and they, these influencers and they fake giveaways and stuff like that. A lot of that, a lot of that. But nah, this is the real deal, you know, and I'm really trying to change the way. Um, and you know, I just felt like, man, the impact that it had, the connections that I've made through it. People just been like, hey, whatever happens, I still rock with you, bully, just because you're just such a solid dude. And like, I didn't have to explain myself and like and you know, be, you know, try to fake or front. Right, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

You don't have to. You won't even have to go that route.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Yeah, man. So, so it's been, I mean, that giveaway's been a blessing. And I'm and I was telling people, this ain't over. I'm gonna do one once a month. You know, so you know, and it's helped me also, you know, grow as well. So, I mean, it's just been, you know, God, God, you know, you give, you give, and God gives back.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

God gives back. You know, you got a giving heart, bro. You got a giving heart, and that's a beautiful thing. Tell you. Because you know what I'm saying, people don't get it. People don't get it, wanna hold everything to yourself, wanna hold tight. Nah, man. You gotta spread the love. You feel what I'm saying? You gotta spread the love. That's what's up, man.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

God give it to you. If if if God give Bully all of this, whatever substance that he has, and he keeps it to himself, so he's gonna run out of room. You know what I'm saying? So the more he gives to Bully and Bully gives out, the more he's gonna be able to get to the city. The more he gets to continue to get to the big thing. He's gonna he using him to let it flow to him. I love that. But if you if you tighten up, like uh-uh. I can't, I I ain't giving away no microphone. I ain't doing this here, I ain't I'm not doing this here. So now that pressure that's gonna build up, so God says, I'm not gonna use you. You trying to keep everything I'm trying to give you. I'm giving you this for you to give to somebody else. I got loose balls. That was that. That's real.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Yeah, I got real.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

This is the, you know, and that's the truth.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

This is an uptrend to the church.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

That's it, man. Like damn it, man. That's real, though. That's real. I'm feeling it. We all vessels, man. Like, are we in the right vessel or the wrong vessel? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

And one thing I notice about you, your communication is definitely impactful.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Thank you, man.

SPEAKER_01 33:03

And that's and that's what takes you take you so far. Yeah. Being able to communicate with it, right? Articulate your word.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Right. You feel me? Some people can't do it. Some people be.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

To be on so many different levels of expressing what he's doing, how he's doing it, yeah, and reaching out to different people. That's that that's power though, man.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

Powerful. Power, powerful. I reached out to Papa Zoe, man, and I'm telling you, I DM'd him, and you know, it was it was history from there, man. Like he, you know, Papa Zoe showed me so much love from the beginning, though. That was like, because in this industry, man, you gotta build with people. And what people, these young artists don't get, like, they think everything's a handout. And nothing's a hand. You gotta really build with people first. You gotta like you gotta like be a friend to someone. Because I feel like if we're gonna do business, I want to be your friend. I don't want to just do business with you. And and and so like people don't know how to navigate the seas, you know, and you gotta know how to navigate these these rough waters, you know what I mean? So yeah, yeah, yeah. So I I tell him all the time, I'm like, Zo, I'm gonna keep on telling you I appreciate you, boy.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Yeah, he's true. That's what's he true, boy. Hey, he do that. I get a text from him every day. I got a text from him every day. I love you, dog. I got a text from him every day.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Hey, but that's that's what that's what we've been talking about. That's what the world needs, man. You feel me? No matter what we go through, if you get if you could be in your work time, somebody tells you you get that random call, boy. Like you, you do it to me. One five o'clock uh agent. It's five in the morning. I'm like, what's all calling me for? Man, walk up, man. I'm just telling you you know he get up, he get he get up and go do his thing. So he calls me, man. I'm just I'm just calling you, man, to tell you, man, I love you, boy. Uh it's five in the morning, bully. I'm like, come on. So I do what they have to do.

unknown 34:48

Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

I do what they have to do, but he's gonna do it with the phone. So I gotta leave him a message.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

I know I know Papazo. I know I know him before this here, and and and and to see how he transitioned to becoming this dude here. I mean, it's definitely like now than they. You know, he handled his business how he handled his business. But now this thing that he's doing here now, the people preservation thing, and doing this podcast and surrounding himself by some good with some good people, man, it's amazing. It's amazing where he came.

SPEAKER_02 35:18

And always used to be like this.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Hey, I love it.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

And always used to be like this, man. But I feel like, honestly, like I got touched by God. God touched me. What people, what people don't get, right? A lot of people don't get people don't change unless they want to change and God just help them change. Because I know for a fact that I wanted to change after a certain thing that happened to me. I wanted for destruction. I wanted to change, and I and and I I asked God to change me. And then and then that's I'm more humble. Every now and then I I you know he'll be he'd try to strip me up, I get mad, I get mad and just go back, but I I gotta calm down and and and be, you know what I'm saying, and get humble, humble myself and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

So that's why they call me bully too, man. Because I I got a rough edge and and I and I can be harsh sometimes. And and you know, and you know, it you know, we all have that side, and and what I was gonna say, we relate to that.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

I definitely was a bully too. I'm telling you, I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

We have a side.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

But but sometimes sometimes that side, people have to see that side to know that to be aggressive, you know. Right. Not in a negative way, but to know that okay, you can't just pull everything or say anything over this dude here. Right. He's a stand-up guy, so it ain't you can't really just throw shade and and over his face and say, Yeah, I could I could get over on him. Sometimes you got to be a stand-up and be straightforward and let them let your no be no and let your yes be yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

And and everybody sometimes when people get offended, maybe it ain't he that's too tough, maybe you just too soft. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 37:02

No, 100%. Wow, that hey that's it.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

They drink chicken on that one. Walking walk on, walking walk on you on something, boy.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

But like I told you, the energy what somebody brings to you is easy to communicate to buy you bringing it to you.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 37:21

You called him in the beginning, brother, man. He bringing life, you might be able to do it. You know that. Hey, I ain't leaving you, dog.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Willie, what was what was one of your biggest breaks, though? What was one of your in this in the music industry? What was one of your biggest breaks?

SPEAKER_00 37:33

Man, I would say right now, I would say recently, I mean I had a couple breaks, but I'll say my first one was the ATL beat battle. Uh was 2014. And um, I got signed up to this beat battle. It was a big battle. I went up against all these producers, man, and I took them all out.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Took them all out.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

All of them. And uh what's interesting is there was an attorney there that I, you know, I recently I just saw him the other day, and I'm like, I told him, I'm working on that big that deal for you, big dog. Like, I'm gonna get that deal because I've always wanted to sign with him because he's such a solid dude, Matt Boozer. And uh he was actually one of the attorneys there, and he saw me. So he he literally has seen my growth, if anything. You know, he saw me, you know, start from the bottom. I was, you know, I was a young man, I was 26. So um, yeah, man, that was my first, I would say my first you know, break and kind of notoriety. And like there was like an agent there from Atlanta, and he comes up to me, he said, You got that sound, bro. He's like, That's you got that sound. Like, he's he knew, like he knew I had, you know, that he knew he was looking for you know that sound in particular. So it was cool, man. And then now I would say right now with the radio station, um, you know, my song's been leading in 99 jams. So I mean that's a big thing. That's gonna be a big thing.

SPEAKER_02 38:38

Which song that is that's leading Trap House? We got that song? Yeah, that's it. Can you can we play Trap House real quick? Uh uh Adrian. Let's hear that. Let's hear that. Let's hear that let's hear what the song that's gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

The first one had me just look, he just had a little vibe with that first. Bully. My dog. Oh, what are the heel?

SPEAKER_02 38:56

So you was getting your money in Detroit. No, he's big. The boy living it. I'm telling you. You living it, you're living it, man. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

It's crazy because like, you know, the whole, and this is all true. Like, the way what's crazy about this song is I wrote the raps to another song, and I just ended up incorporating to this one. It's all truth because literally, like, I was in a trap house in Detroit. This is a true story in Southwest, like by Del Rey with my dogs. And um, we go in this house and they're all playing Madden. And like I see this dude, you know, I see this, he was a crack dealer. This is a true story, like, and he had brought a stack of cash right there. And I was like 16, and I'm looking, I said, yo, I like this, like this is it. Like this is my dream. Oh that's like I I'm you know, because I always had the hustle. Oh, that yeah. So that was a true story, you know. This dude had a camera video, he had people coming, it was crazy, like, and just seeing that. And you know, that that hustle, that hustle's always been in me. And so that's how it all began. That's where this story was.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

That's how it began for me too. I seen, I never forget, rest in peace, George. I was I was legit, might be 13, 14 years old. In the neighborhood, George had that goddamn wop. I said, I want to be like George. Yeah, I'm in a school bus, going to school, other than my little kids. I'm gonna be a doctor, just like Snoop Dogg. I'm gonna be a doctor, I'm gonna be a lawyer, man. I want to be like George. That's what I wanted to be, that's what I wanted to be like, man. So I see I see where you were where you at with it, man. On the flip side, right? On the flip side, let me let me ask you something. Yeah. The toughest challenge that you faced in the music business, and how did you overcome it? How did you, you know, smooth it out? How did you go through it?

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Uh man, I'll I'll say this. You know, um, I went, you know, I dealt with a lot of producers. I used to actually work with uh artists at Young Money, Cash Money. That's how I kind of started, like in the beginning. I used to, you know, I kind of I met Birdman and all these guys. Like Birdman used to have a homeboy, Hollywood, and um I got plugged in with him, and I started, you know, like trying to get my you know my songs out to them. And like that was like my first early era. But I always felt like it was just like trying to knock the wall down. Plus, I didn't have a budget, I didn't have no money. I was living off a dream. So I was just, you know, everything was always just trying to knock on these doors, knock on these doors. And producers, like working with producers that were gatekeeping me. And like that was a huge challenge, like trying to get out there. And I wasn't an artist in that time. I always like wrote songs, but I was just focusing on beats. And so I just felt like dealing with all these gatekeepers, all the people trying to hate on me, all the people trying to stop me and not let me get in, you know, and so that was like a huge thing for me. I had homeboys that were plugged in with big artists, never want to put me on a song, never want to give me a placement. So it was always like, I always felt like, you know, there was like a it was like a block. Right, you know, like and I you know, now like every you know, this whole rebrand, there's no blocks no more. Like, because God, once he opens that door, yeah, it's a it's unbreakable.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

It's unbreakable. He answered the question, because I was gonna ask you, with all that that was up against you, what what was your what did you use physically, spiritually, however, to penetrate through that? But then he said, when he did say God, you know what I'm saying? That was it. It was it was unstoppable.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

He was able to just I wanted to tell you something too from the beginning, like from my early days. Um, I'll say between 18 to 25, I was always in it in and out of jail. I faced real prison time multiple times. You know, I almost went to prison. Well, and when I was 18, my and I'm gonna tell you this is how the whole story comes back full circle. I met Macazo when I was 18. And I told I told Zoe, I said, yo, I met Macazo when I was 18 years old. And I and you know what's funny? Every I didn't even know who he was. I just see this man come through and he walks in the cell. And I was in the fifth floor in Dade County, and everybody knows the fifth floor, like the you start going up them floors, it gets more and more dangerous.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

Yeah, I remember 584.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Yeah, and and uh and and I see Macazo walk through them gates, and everyone was like, Oh, that's what that's Mac Azul. And I didn't know who he was, you know what I mean at the time. And I just you know saw him as a regular human being. And let me tell you, that dude was solid. I give shout out to Mac Azole forever, man. Like that dude was a real one, and he showed me nothing but love. And I'm gonna tell you why. Like he he saw something, like he gravitated towards me. We spoke for like five, six hours. We just chopped up. We talked for a long time, and he like he just he liked my hustle. He's like, Man, you he saw something in me. And guess what? He gives me his brother's number. This is how the true story, Solo Zoe. He gave me his brother's number.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

SMP solo.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

Yeah, he and he passed away. I called that number about a couple weeks later. I said, Hey man, Macazo gave me the number. Uh, he was trying to plug me in. This dude didn't know me out of a can of paint, and he was gonna plug me into the music game. He's like, Yo, call my brother solo. He knows Jay-Z, he knows everybody in the game, he knows people you need to know. So the fact that he did that, like, he didn't have to do that, he didn't have to do that at all.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

He didn't have to pick up what he picked up from you. Your energy could have been a flaw, turned uh energy, but he gravitated to come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

He showed love, man. And I don't forget nothing. That was I was 18 years old, man.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

You know, that's a blessing there, man.

SPEAKER_00 43:58

You know, and good dude, man, and people will. Judge, like they say, oh, because you know he's in that situation. I didn't. I he showed me nothing but love, dog. And I saw him as a person.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

For a small dude, he got one of the biggest hearts, man.

SPEAKER_00 44:09

Oh man, he I could tell right away. Yeah, man. So it comes back in full circle. That's why I'm here on the Papa Zoe show. That's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 44:16

Full circle, hey, man. You know what I'm saying? That's what's up. That's what's up, man. My dog.

SPEAKER_02 44:22

You you I mean, you okay, so you've seen trends come and go. What advice would you give to your younger self just starting out in the industry today?

SPEAKER_00 44:33

Man, if if I'm talking to my younger self, I would have just told myself, you need to stack money. Have make sure you have your capital, have your budget. Like, don't worry about like trying to like a lot of times these young artists they want to go out and like pay for all these different promos or like all these different like because there's a lot of promo people that will get you. And even artists too in the in the game. Like I've had famous artists already hit me up and trying to, you know, oh uh, you know, they'll charge you and they'll try to rip you off and stuff like that. And I'm you you you can't do that. And I learned this through my lawyer. Like sometimes features aren't good because you know, in this day and age, where we are in 2026, it was a different time back then. But in this era, this is an era of virality. Like we need you need to go viral. And and and I feel like you're different. Yeah, it's a different time. Like, like paying for features isn't gonna make you go viral. Like, that's not guaranteeing a viral song. And I've seen so many artists, you know, they go and they get on a song with an artist, and it's not gonna really like catapult their career.

SPEAKER_03 45:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

Um, something you know, Matt Boozer told me in an email was like, you gotta, you know, you gotta have a song that goes viral, and then that's it. Like, that's how you that most people get in their deals. They're not even pushing them to the label no more. Like how back in the day you go to a label and push the song or push this artist. Yeah, they're just waiting for you to go viral. That's really what it is. So to tell my younger self, make a song that goes viral, stick to the code, you know, cut cut off all the imposter friends in your in your life. You know what I'm saying? Because when I did that, and I say this, I I cut off the impostors. You know, I had homeboys that laughed at me, dog, when I took my L. When I took that big L in crypto, they were laughing at me, bro. And and you know, and in the group chats, like, you know, like they literally laughed at that. And when I'm telling you, when that happened, that that hit me hard, dog. I said, All right, bro, you gonna laugh? Alright, bro, you don't know me, bro. I'm I'm a different type of hustler, bro. And look, look, the whole shift now, they're watching me elevate from a distance. And I know, and I and I keep saying, you're gonna feel it now. Because you had a chance to build with me. You're gonna feel it now. And and so, yeah, man, like when they when they did that, man, all these these people in my life, like I just say, you know what, they they don't deserve a place in my life anymore. You know, you're not a friend, you gossiping. Yeah, and that's and a bunch of gossipers and snakes.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

And and that's what's so so um makes your story so good, because when when you witness the downfall, then they then everybody sitting back and say, watch, watch how far low that he goes. But then today's support to their surprise, he just turned that situation and started elevating. Yeah, you know? So they really man, like, damn, I I wanted him to disintegrate. Right. Well, this dude here, he he he on cloud nine now. I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_00 47:17

And he knows, Zoe knows, bro. Like Zoe told me, he's like, I've never seen somebody with your like that drive, that tenacity. He's like, yo, he's like, he's like, you got drive, dog. Like, and that really, that was one of the nicest compliments anybody could have ever told me.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

And you got that.

SPEAKER_00 47:31

And that I I really felt that, you know, because it's the truth. And you know, my dad always said, Man, you got drive, bro. Like everyone knows me. Like the people that really know me know how much drive I really have, man. And that's why, you know, I had jealousies too, man. Like, there's people jealous of that.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

Like, yeah, they're gonna it's gonna come. It's gonna constantly gonna come. You know, you a different breed.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Um it's hard to be that.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

You feel me? You know, positivity, yeah. You know, it's negativity is always trying to trying to uh trying to find a way to attach to positivity. But positive is gonna always win. Right at the end of the day, positive is gonna always win. The truth is gonna always win. A lie is gonna be a lie. The truth might hurt, but it's gonna set you free. It's gonna set you free. You feel me? I'm telling you, you gotta be authentic. Authenticity.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

Yes, yes, yes, indeed. If you could send a message, you know what I'm saying, you know, to like inspire musician, artist, beat maker, what would it be?

SPEAKER_00 48:27

I say, never give up. Never give up, because that's the first thing, like in your mindset. Like, you'll give up, you'll say, Oh man, am I really good enough? Do I have what it takes? Oh, my boys told me, oh, like, you know, it's not possible. See, in my in my time, everyone always said, Oh no, you know, that that's a home run. You swing it for a lottery ticket. But people didn't have the mindset that I had. You know what I mean? Like the I had a I had a mindset that I like nothing was impossible for me. Nothing. I have a vision. And and you know, I saw Rick Ross say something about that. Like, people didn't see that vision. Like in the beginning, people won't see your vision, they won't see what you see.

SPEAKER_01 49:01

They won't, they're never gonna see it. You know, they're never gonna see it. Once you got your mind, hey, once you got your mind, this is what I learned. Once you got your mind to do something, whatever it may be, don't matter what it is, take out the options that you might fail. Right. Take that option out. You know what I'm saying? You just go, I mean, matter of fact, when when when um when when back in the days when the when when the when the when the slaves used to go when they go to battle, right? Right. When when the when the when the boats come ashore, they will burn the boats because they finna go to war. But they say we burn in these boats because we don't have the option to leave. You know what I'm saying? What we coming to do, we're gonna achieve this year. You feel me? So that's the same thing with whatever this this podcast. You're not sitting back and wasting Adrian's time, wasting my time, and wasting his time saying, okay, if this don't work, what I'm gonna do next. Nah, this is gonna work.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

This is gonna work. You know what I'm saying? This is it. We we move option B. It's about make it. It's not this gonna, this ain't nobody make it and break it, it's make it. No, this is time and break it.

SPEAKER_00 50:06

This is the time now, man. Yeah, man. That's a bit that's my mentality and all on that end.

SPEAKER_01 50:11

And and I also want I want to ask you one last question for me. Yeah, no problem. What are you doing daily, daily to to better yourself each and every day?

SPEAKER_00 50:21

Oh man, shh, boxing, bro. Boxing. I I'm I'm gonna tell you right now, and shout out to my dog Danny, Champ Depot. He uh, man, he's been a pivotal, pivotal, you know, I'd say person, you know, helping me, you know, get to that level and training and just like and really physically, uh, you know, physically being fit, but not just that, it's the mindset. Because boxing is a mindset. Right. And and you know, and when I started that boxing, you know, my wife will tell you, bro, everything changed. Everything. Because I feel like if you do that, you you like it's it's you gotta change your mindset. Like a lot of people, they don't realize that it's it's like you gotta chip away a little bit uh, you know, every day in life. How are we gonna get better? Chip away just bit by bit. And I and for me, boxing was that. It just everything switched once I started boxing, bro. Like my whole mindset, discipline. Because you know what, you you go to like people that go to the army, they got discipline. Same thing applies for boxing. You gotta wake up early, you gotta go out there and train.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

You know, it's it's discipline.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

If it's six o'clock, you gotta get up. You gotta get up at six o'clock.

SPEAKER_00 51:17

You gotta wake up early and go.

SPEAKER_01 51:19

Doesn't matter. It ain't no, oh, I'm gonna sleep in. No, you gotta get up. Same thing as prison, guys. Get your ass up. I'm telling you, get out of this damn dorm. But now the difference now, nah, the difference now. There's a big difference. You know why? You ain't got no choice.

SPEAKER_00 51:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

With with with what he got, he could say, man, I'm gonna stay in, man. I'ma sleep. Where his discipline is at.

SPEAKER_02 51:40

Right. I used to say I used to try to stay in.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

Get your ass up. You feel me? When the choice is only up to you, yeah. That's when it really matters. He could say, man, I ain't I'm gonna I'm gonna work out. Let me let me go train tomorrow. Yeah, right. And he can do it. Yeah, too. Tomorrow will come and say, Well, I'm gonna I could I could just chill for the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happened to me about me getting to jail. That like yesterday, I was supposed to go yesterday. I said, Man, I ain't going after you. No, no, that it ain't no more.

SPEAKER_01 52:10

No, I ain't going no more.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

So that and that's the thing about boxing, you gotta push yourself even when you don't want to. And like, and it's like the same applies to life. You know, and I feel like that's where that all goes. Like most people they'll say, ah nah, I ain't gonna make a song, or I ain't gonna, I'll do it tomorrow, or like I'll do the video tomorrow. You feel me? Nah, bro, you gotta push. Push, push. You know, like this ain't no, like nobody gonna give you a handout. So you gotta go get it.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

You gotta go get it.

SPEAKER_00 52:33

You know what I'm saying? Like the plate ain't gonna be handed to you, bro. Like, and I and I always tell people, hey, a closed mouth don't get fed.

SPEAKER_01 52:41

So you gotta, you know, speak up. You gotta have uh if you have an accountability partner, not only you gotta hold yourself accountable, but you gotta you gotta have an accountability partner. It has to be somebody like bully real talk that's gonna say, man, Zo, come on, man. Nah, man, nah, come tomorrow. Nah, Zoe, come on, let's do it. You know what I'm saying? Man, you mad or whatever. Uh-oh, let's go. Let's go. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

Hey, we raise each other up. We lift each other up. Yes, yes. Don't bring it down.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

We can go on and go on and go on, man. But it's what this show is all about, man. That's what this show is all about, though. For real, for real. This, this, this, uh, hey, man. Nah, dog it, man. Boy, look at him. Hey, man. Thank you, man. Thank you for coming through, though. For real, for real. Before we close out, Willie, man, is that anything you want to close out with? No, I think you got one last song.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

Yeah, you could put it on. Drop that last song for me, right? Pain in my soul was the track uh that I used, you know, when I went and cut the homeless. Cut no hair.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 53:44

Yeah, that was the one I incorporated in the soul. Pain in my soul. Yeah, it's a it was a pain song, and I wanted, you know, it's for people that uh, you know, they're going through pain and struggle, depression, you know, whatever it is, you know. And and I think it's relatable for people going through okay, okay. I like that one, brother. I ain't gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

Out of all three of them, that one that got me. Appreciate it, man. That one never got me. That was uh that's the song I would keep putting on repeat again. That's feel good joint, man. Yeah, that one I felt. I felt the pain that you put in that song.

SPEAKER_00 54:16

Yeah, man. It was real, it's real, you know, real story, real life. Like I said, everything I put is me, man. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what's up, man. I really appreciate it, man. That's love, man.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

Appreciate you coming through, man. Nah, you're a real man. For real, dog. That's love, all right. I was telling you, you my dog. I'm gonna keep on hitting you up. You better, man. I'm gonna hit you up too. That's what's up. Hey, man. Appreciate you, man, for coming through, man, on the Papazo show, but co who's walk the walk.