BIG LU

Big Lu sits with PapaZoe & Walk Da Walk and gets pretty deep. From the naming of his latest project, to his views on religion, faith and purpose, Big Lu goes all in on this sit down with Papazoe. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

What they do this be that boy Big Lou Coconut Grove OGG representing and you catch me on the Papa's Low show.

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Shout out to the Papa's Low Yo, what up, what up, what up, what up? You already know what it is. It's your man, man. Papa Zoe the Papa Zoe show with my commotion.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Walk the walk. You already know, y'all. You already know. Hey, Zoe.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Who that is we got over there, man?

SPEAKER_03 0:50

That's Big Lou, man. Big Lou? Big Lou.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 0:54

True Z B, man. True Z B, all right. True Z B, boy. He repping, he ripping, he repping. And I love that about Big Lou. Big Lou, what's up, man? Thanks for coming to the show, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:05

Thank you, Baba Zoe, for having me once again, man. That's for real. This is fan. You already know. It's me that boy Big Lou, Coconut Grove OTG representing him. But before I go in, walk the walk. Talk to me. I need a rundown. I'm gonna know where you're from. I I've been I've been around you like twice, two times. Give me the rundown, because I'm supposed to know that. I'm gonna know your rundown.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

I'm supposed to know that. I'm gonna know your rundown, big loo. I wanna know your rundown.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

It's for me. It's for him. I'm saying it's for me. It's for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:49

Let me tell you why it's that. Cause I love what y'all do and I respect you. For sure. So I'm gonna hear the rundown. Where you from? All that. I know Papa Zoe. And of course, I'm here as a guest. I'm gonna be able to speak my truth. Tell him who Walk the Walk is, man. So Walk the Walk is let my fans know, man. Everything I do multiplied. Best believe that.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Walk the Walk is a Haitian from by the Cash City. You know what I'm saying? This out here just trying to be just doing what I do, man. You know about corner where I used him. Oh yeah, I used to see him yeah. I used yeah, who goes on to do that? And um me and Papa Zoe been been riding since day one, like he always say, you feel me? Day one. The day one when we met, it's been solid ever since, you know. We we we made a lot of money together, even cried together, yeah. Any sand plate together, all that shit. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 2:42

All that good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

Man, come join me. Yeah, and I'm here.

SPEAKER_04 2:49

I love that, I love that. Yeah, because when I met Papa Zoe, he was doing his thing, yeah, and then I ran into walk the walk. So I'm like, okay. In the interview, I have walked the walk. I love the the synchronicity. I love that shit.

SPEAKER_03 3:03

That's what it is.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

So I had to let my people know who walk the walk is.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

That's what it is. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

Lou, man. Where you where you where you from though? Where you originally from, big Lou? What's your and what's your background?

SPEAKER_04 3:16

I was born in Alapato. I stayed in Lake Worth, Parmies County. Um, but I moved around a lot, but I represent the Grove. You represent the Grove? Yeah. That was the first time I got to stay somewhere for a long time, because you feel me? We moved around a lot.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

A lot. You you you you you got a I know you got a big family. See, I know you personally. I know you got a big family, man. How many siblings and I mean nieces and nephews?

unknown 3:50

Oh man.

SPEAKER_04 3:51

Well, I'm the youngest of eight, is when it comes to siblings. And knees and nephews, that's in that's over 30. Damn, over 30, yeah. I love them all. Yeah, that's what it is. Ain't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Because you're a very family-oriented dude, and I just had to ask you that question. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because I know how family-oriented you is, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:19

That's number one. Shit. You gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

For real. I love that. I love that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:25

For real, for real. Well, it's really number three. Because God is first, your second is second.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

You already know.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

Your family is third, because you need God to get there and you need yourself to provide for the family. Straight up.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Big big facts. Big facts. Big facts, man. Straight up. Uh uh, let me ask you something, right? What has been like the toughest challenge you face since you've been doing music, you know, in the business of music.

SPEAKER_04 5:03

Um well nothing to do with the fans or the people. I feel like the toughest thing I think is trust yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Trust me, yeah. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

Trust, yes. Sorry about that. We tap there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Trust. So you feel like it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 5:35

Oh yeah. Trust. And well, I can't actually say that's tough because I still enable myself to trust people, but trust's been the trickiest. I say that.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_04 5:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Okay. You have any regrets?

SPEAKER_04 5:55

I mean, I want to elaborate on that trust before I get to the regrets, because that's the reason the regrets line up. But like, the thing about trust, man, like, I feel like as an artist, like in this music industry, there's so many positions. And as an artist, you're kind of put into the light, and all the world sees is execution and performance.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:24

But there's so much people around you. There's so much people around you and working constantly towards behind what you provide. So trust is number one. You gotta be able to trust the people around you. For real. For real. Because you don't want to be artists that constantly switching up the people around you. That's true. That's true. For real.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Yeah, yeah. That's real. That's real. Let me let me let me let me have you ever been times where you thought about walking away? If so, what kept you from what kept you from not walking away? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:04

Shit, just last week I thought about walking away. Oh yeah. Just last week, as far as I've come. Just last week I thought about walking away. Just because, like, in this music industry, like the whole concept of music is bigger than life. You feel me? I feel like the music business makes it an economical thing, but really music is a spiritual thing. So the business side of music kind of bogged me sometimes. And it's like the reason I ain't walk away is because of people. I promise to God. I promise to God. I promise to God. Damn. Yeah. I love making music, but sometimes I hate what it do to people. Like it kind of takes them out of body. Like they ain't themselves no more. They it's like opportunists. You know?

SPEAKER_01 8:11

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 8:12

And opportunity is within the music. But once a person starts thinking like opportunists, you ain't even dealing with them the same no more. And the way they deal with you is not the same no more. You go from being a human to a dollar bill.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

You go from being a human to a piece of paper, huh? Piece of paper. Yeah. You know, damn.

SPEAKER_04 8:42

It's a good and a bad thing, I'd say though. I would say um it's a gift and a curse, you know, because you want to be the person that could enlighten the world and have the world love you through the creation you make that came from God and your soul that can provide for your people, but sometimes people can forget you a person.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

That's the truth. Damn. I like that. This is deep though. Damn. You see, okay, you okay, you you know, you you've you seen like things come and go. Right. From now how you is right now, right? Big Lou is right now. What your younger self, big loop, young big loo, what would you tell your your younger self, separate your younger self from big loo then to big Lou now?

SPEAKER_02 10:00

My younger self tell what my younger self tell me now.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

No, what was big, what would you right now, at this age, at this point in your life, what you would have told yourself when you were 14.

SPEAKER_03 10:12

What would I tell my younger self from this point out? From this point, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:15

Um it's gonna be all right. Just prepare yourself, nigga. Cause right now we here, we loving it. Straight up. But that's how it is. You don't know what's to come. You feel me? Yeah. I've been always like, I ain't gonna say confident, but I've been always knew I was here for this. So it's like I've just been working towards the point of the right opportunity to just showcase to the world to the point it's like, okay, bum. And then it's forevermore.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

For real. You are you afraid of anything, big Lou?

SPEAKER_04 11:01

Shit. I used to be afraid of a lot of shit, but oh am I afraid of anything? Yeah. I'm afraid, I'm afraid of I'm afraid of feeling like the people I love ain't really live out the life they want. That's why I work so motherfucking hard. All right, hold on. Now I'm getting into it. I'm afraid of I'm afraid of not seeing the people I love live the life they want. That's a part of my drive. So I can help them make it easier. Because you don't know how somebody feels about themselves towards what they want to feel. So if I could be a person that can help them feel past how they feel, they can feel real good and make that shit happen. I'm afraid of not seeing that straight up because I'm already living my dream. I'm just waiting to collect. So that's why that's why I work so hard, so I can make it easier for everybody else to feel this shit.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

Let me let me ask you something. Honestly, like not to cut you off, Lou. Let me ask you something, right? You what do you feel? Uh honestly, because I see you you travel all over the world. I've seen you Dominican Republic and Mexico and and and and and and Colombia just doing doing videos, doing stuff. What do you feel between like from here in the US, right? The love that you get here, you do not get. Do you feel like you get that? Do you feel like you don't get that love? That love, the love you get across the water, you don't get that love here. Do you feel like that?

SPEAKER_04 12:58

Uh I used to. I used to. I used to. But not no more shit.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

What happened?

SPEAKER_04 13:06

I put in that work. Let me tell you, see, overseas, I feel like the love I get, they kind of see, like overseas, them people they over there, it's some hardworking people. They dedicated to everything a part of their life. Like family, what they love to do. Like, it's some real believers in the place with less opportunity. That's why I tell my niggas, like, man, it's some people that will die to be over here just so they can make something happen. So we over here, we better make something happen. And to go back to the question, um, when I'm overseas, I feel like them people, when they see me, they see me like kind of like a demigod, like bigger than life. You know?

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:56

And in actuality, we all under God, but they want it so bad that they see a person that's doing it, and that's how they see me. But in America, people, they see me. They see me as a nigga that's changing things for real. I'm not no regular Miami artist, for real. I've been made sure I established that. So when people see me in Miami, they recognize me for my vision. So I would say the love is the same. It's all about that ROI, but it's the hustle. I mean, for real. Back then, I would say like people kind of normalize me, because we in America, it's the land of opportunity. Right. Ain't nobody got time to sit there and look at you. If you pop off, then it makes sense to them for the pay to pay attention to you, but they ain't got time for that. See me, before I popped off, I did some shit that still made them pay attention. Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

Across the world. That's a fact. That's a fact. That's definitely a fact. You you uh uh uh what what what what uh you got you got you got an album coming out? What you what you got coming out?

SPEAKER_04 15:15

Oh yeah. I got an album coming out called Arrival, and um the reason I titled this album Arrival is because I feel like I'm at a point in my life where everything I've been working on and all the stuff I've been building up is coming to a time that it's all gonna work out. Like I've arrived. Like I already feel like I made it for real. Like I may not be number one on Apple Music or Spotify on 99 Jams right now, but when I wake up, I feel like a rapper. I'll tell you that, I feel like a rapper. Like when I wake up, I feel like a rapper. Like you feel like you made it. Let me tell you, cuz when you make music, it's like you kind of wait for that, you kind of wait for that stamp to make you feel like you're a rapper. It's people putting music out. The rappers know what I'm talking about. The rappers know what I'm talking about. Because you wake up, you so many things. You feel me? But I'm at that point right now where I feel like I gotta wake up. I'm a rapper, so I just go off my plans and I'm waiting for it to be lucrative. But arrival. I've arrived to that point, that mental state. You feel me? Because it's all about the mental state. Like, you give a person anything, but if their mind ain't ready, they ain't even gonna know what they got. You feel me?

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

It's a lot of inner work, it's a lot of inner work. I did a lot of inner work because the inner work is the only thing that keeps a nigga here. It's so much people that started making music that stop because the physical world ain't giving what they want. So it makes sense to them to stop, but inside, it don't make sense. It's the inner work, it's the inner work that's gonna keep you on the physical world. I'm here, I arrive. Arrival. My album's gonna be called Flood. I changed it to the name Arrival. When I was in Columbia, God was just talking to me. I was talking to God, he was telling me, like, man, we all on the same time right now, right? And um sometimes you question yourself, like, okay, I'm making music, but you know, my friends, you know, they got houses, they build a family, they doing this, they doing that. You know, we all want to live the same kind of life. Success in the other side. And when you're chasing success, you wonder, am I gonna ever get the other side? And I was in Columbia, I was changing my clothes to get to another scene. And God was just telling me, you right. He told me, you right. You made the right decision. You ain't gotta think about, damn, should I have stopped making music so I could have built this and that? Nah, you on your purpose. And that right there. I changed the name of my album to arrival. Right. Damn. Can't wait to drop that. I can't wait to drop it.

SPEAKER_03 18:17

Can you got can uh can we, you you got any, can can we get a can we play something? Can you got can you send us something real so we can play something off of it real quick? Yeah, most stuff. Most stuff. Yeah, you got uh you could uh drop it to uh Adrian Adrian MacBook. Okay, drop it to Adrian MacBook, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:36

Man, this uh uh uh disconnected man, I'm loving this interview, it's waking me up.

SPEAKER_03 18:43

Hey man, hey this this is this is this is a different Papa Zoe stroke from what you've been there before.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

Nah, yeah. I seen her from the door. I told her, we gonna have to reenact my walk-in because I'm too faded. They ain't had that before. I would have had five minutes in the bathtub. Yeah, I love that. I love that. Production is everything, everything, man.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

So what before we play your what you plan on dropping the album?

SPEAKER_04 19:16

All right, I'ma just drop it this month. I'ma just drop it this month. I ain't gonna lie, cuz a lot of people I fuck with, they've been waiting to hear the album.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Have you but be have you did a listening session yet?

SPEAKER_04 19:27

No, you're not gonna do it. You're just gonna drop it. It's not like I'm against it, but I've been waiting to drop this album so long that I just want my people to hear it. And one thing I know, the level I'm at ain't about to drop that, it's about the work I put in behind it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I ain't too crazy about holding my album. Yeah, it's about getting it out there and studying the analytics of what people like. And people have been waiting for a minute, so I'm gonna just throw it out there.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

You already put in your work, you know.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

Yeah, I put out three videos from it. And like, I'm I live my albums. I don't just like I love albums. People talk about singles and all that, I get it. Like, it make it make sense statistically, but music is life, it's spiritual. Right. Fuck business. The business is a part of it, and they get to take care of the person making it and the people around them. But music is spiritual, it's it's for the people. So I love albums. It's people that like this song, that song, that song, that song. That's true, that's true. And I live doing it.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

You want to give it to them, you want to give them everything, let them pick which one they like. The thought of dropping, let's try to force them to like this one you coming out, this thing you coming out with. I feel like I like that, I like that, I like that though. I like that.

SPEAKER_04 20:47

I I feel like I'm in a space where I see music as a thing I share. It ain't about Big Lou putting it out. It's it's about this came from God and it's out here, and it happened to come from me. You know? Hopefully it pays me. But the thing I the the the bars I come up with, the cadence, it means something. Like I've had people tell me they kept themselves from suicide from listening to my music.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

I'm like, well. That's that's big. Like, that's deep down. That is that's the truth. So, you know, of course, I let it be paid from just all the efforts and the stress and the struggle I go through to make it happen. But that's the truth right there. What the people feel from it. That's what they're gonna remember me for forever. For real. They ain't gonna remember a chain, they ain't gonna remember this outfit. They're gonna remember how they felt when they heard a certain word I said, a certain line. It just made them feel because I felt that from other artists. So I know to do that.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

And that's a big thing you just said too. Cause they ain't gonna remember Big Lou. They ain't gonna remember what you had on, like you just said, the cards, the jewelry, but they will remember how you make them feel.

SPEAKER_04 22:09

They gonna remember how they felt. Like right now, I could think about um a song. What was the song? I can't remember. I just wanna ride you. Who was that? Alicia Keys, right? I wanna ride?

SPEAKER_03 22:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:31

I remember fucking dressing up to go to school to catch the bus. They used to play that when I was staying in Lake Worth. They used to play that when I was getting dressed to go to school. I remember that feeling. I could take myself back to that moment right now if I needed it to. So with my music, people could do that. So that's the victory right there.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Yeah, that's definitely the victory.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

Niggas just want to live off it. But that's the victory right now.

SPEAKER_01 23:00

Monetary.

SPEAKER_03 23:01

Monetary.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Yeah, so you could keep it going.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

Of course. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

You got you got the song? You got the song, Aja? Go ahead and drop it. Let me let me hear it.

unknown 23:10

Which version of your own?

SPEAKER_04 23:12

Hey, we can pop them bottles though. I'm alright. Boy, go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 23:15

You can pop. Go ahead, pop, pop. You said you feel the water, toast. Toast elevation. We're elevating, man. You know what I'm saying? That's what it is. Where you was at?

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Where you was at?

SPEAKER_04 23:30

I'm gonna see no cups on the table. No, no, no, zombie, zombie. I love it. Everything is natural. There is no no mistakes are made in life. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Make sure you get yours, though. Everybody stitch your themselves.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

Man, this elevation, man. This is to us, man. May 2026 keep blessing us, keep blessing us, and keep we keep elevating, keep getting higher and higher. That's what's up. You that's what's up. So, Lou, let me so you you before you drop, you ain't dropped no singles yet. You because you dropping the whole album. But you done have videos for all for three already. For three songs already. I guess we could count that as say as singles, you know.

SPEAKER_04 24:35

So yeah. But you ain't really dropped the song, but you just dropped the video. No, I put it out there. Oh, you put the song out there. Shit, I put it out there, I paid DJs, I did promote it, I put money behind my shit.

SPEAKER_05 24:46

They out there.

SPEAKER_04 24:48

They out there. That's the thing, you know, because I feel like, and a lot of times, man, putting out a single, it could be a trap. Cause people only know you for that sound, that song. So you try to talk that. And a lot of times you might have a song to you that's better than that, but the way people perceived it may not be the same. And that's for two reasons. I'm happy I make albums, because for one, I ain't never want to be that nigga that blew up for some shit I can't make again. You know how sometimes people tell you make a certain song for this reason. One hit, one thing fuck around and blow up off that and you stuck. They don't like that's not the shit you really on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Let me ask you, what does OTG stand for? Well, you always scream that out.

SPEAKER_04 25:48

OTG. OTG means only through God. Oh, okay. Yeah. Only through God. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04 25:59

Only through God. It stands for the truth. OTG means only through God. Only through God. It stands for the truth. Basically, the word of God, the way we live, the decisions we make. You know, every time you got a choice to make, you got left hand right. Nobody can see that but you.

SPEAKER_03 26:21

Left hand right and straight.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

And when you choose right, regardless of what it is to the outside world, that's the way you're moving. Only through God, you know? And the thing is, like a lot of people, when they associate the word God or Jesus or Christianity, they kind of disassociate people that's living in the gutter. You know? They see it like people from the hood or people living in ruins as the most sinners, but in actuality, them people living out their reality. Intention is the only sin. That's the only sin. Me and you could do the same thing, but we were thinking different, we'll feel different about it. You feel me? That's the only sin. So it's like you gotta understand that so you can make your way through life without feeling the pressure of other people. Because don't nobody know what the fuck you gotta do to get exactly where you're going or to feel the way you want to feel. Nobody will understand that. That's a personal relationship with God. That's why only through God is what I say. It's the only understanding. It's the only understanding. It can look good at some, it can look good, it could look bad at others. It's about understanding. It's about understanding.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

Who's your favorite artist?

SPEAKER_04 27:56

I ain't gonna lie, French Montana. French Montana, straight up.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

No?

SPEAKER_04 28:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

Why French Montana?

SPEAKER_04 28:10

A lot of reasons, man. A lot of reasons. I just love the story, you feel me? Come from Morocco, just making out of a tough area, doing what he gotta do. You know, it's it's it's motivation. For real, it's motivation. Like, I love Kanye West because his creativity. I seen Kanye West spinning on top of the earth the other day on Instagram. His stage, he got the earth and he performed on it. That man is amazing. You know, Rick Ross, fucking amazing. Like one of the best vocabularies in the fucking rap industry in rap history. For real. For real. You feel me? Hell yeah. It's so much people that try to compare me to Rick Ross. I be stopping them from that shit, man. I be stopping them from that shit. And the only reason I stop him, like, it's a it's a um, it's like it's props, you feel me? When somebody tells you they remind you of Ross. But I don't want them to start perceiving it that way. Cause they need to see me.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 29:19

You feel me? It's so much rappers that didn't reach the threshold because people compared them to a person that they said they sound like. You feel me? It's it's a token because Ross is his vocab amazing, flow amazing. So when people tell me that, that's like, okay, they say I'm snapping. But don't do that. I'm here. You got your own lane. You feel me? It gotta be that way. And I don't I ain't I ain't never been the type of rapper that um I don't go on YouTube for my beats. I don't um smart. I don't I I really don't listen to rap music a lot. Like, I listen to music. I ain't gonna act like I'm a shady nigga, like I don't listen to no nigga shit. Nah, I listen to people's shit. But when I'm in that writing mode, I don't I don't go, it's like I don't go listen to a Papa Zoe song and then go cut on a beat. You feel me? I might be vibing Papa Zoe and then that's just how my day went. But when that beat comes on, I'm gonna be thinking about myself.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Right.

SPEAKER_04 30:26

Because I feel like that's the only way I could be a legend. To be non-influenced.

SPEAKER_03 30:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:32

You feel me? For real.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

And but rappers help you develop flows and all that. Like, you know, I used to listen to a lot of Jadakiss when I first started writing. Like, everybody, you know, they help you develop the skill set. When it comes to when it comes to who you gonna be to the world, be you. Damn right. Hell no, because I can never fail. Whether I look good or bad, yeah. I walked in here drunken in the motherfucker. Yes, you did. And and I I I like to move presidential, but I knew I'm here to do this, and if I came in like that, I'll face the fact of that. But I'm gonna handle my business.

SPEAKER_05 31:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:16

Cause I gotta be me. Because if I was if I was feeling bad, like, oh my god, I came into a fucking interview drunk. What is the world gonna think? They could crush me.

SPEAKER_03 31:26

You was good, you was good, you was good.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

You feel what I'm saying? Walk the walk.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

You handle, you handle, you handle it. Is it like you handle your shit?

SPEAKER_04 31:32

I I I have no ego in this game. I have no bravado. All I have is spirit. That's something nobody could touch. If you move off bravado, they gonna go at that. And then the world's gonna see how you responded to that. You feel me? If you have ego, of course they're gonna go at that. But you got spirit, be it's good or bad, I'm still the same nigga. You better remember what the fuck you love. But it's okay to have pride though. Oh, yeah, pride for sure. Pride is a bit built in the spirit. Pride is the spirit is made of pride. The spirit is a hundred percent pride. The spirit tells you you shouldn't be nothing else but this. And then people choose something else. Every day.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

What's one of your ways of showing love, Vic Lou?

SPEAKER_04 32:28

Man, one of my ways of showing love, uh, I'd say just kind of helping people get out of dark places. Cause like I had to help myself get out of a dark place. And um I know a lot of people don't got that mentoring spiritual training to get out of a dark place. So that's my way of showing love. You know, when you show love physically, that can become a rear occurring thing. Let me make example. Sorry. When you show love physically, let's say I give you five dollars. Shit go bad, you might want five dollars again. You feel me? I'm stuck giving you five dollars. If I don't give you five dollars one day, you get mad to talk shit.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

I get, you know what I'm saying? I can't predict it, but I don't I it shit be happening.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:26

So the way I like to show love is helping people get out of a dark place. Like I talk to a lot of people. I like helping people see things through. And if it needs assistance, I'll be of assistance, but the true assistance is me helping you get through the situation and the motion, not the reality. The reality is yours. I show love through intention. For real. That's how I like to get love showed too. Get the love back, get love back. Man, the only love I like is through intention. Because sometimes people show you love and it's like a it's like showing love through payback. I'ma do this, so I already know. If I do this, that nigga, that nigga, that nigga a breadwinner, that nigga be doing his thing. I know he got me. Once he gave his own. True is true enough, but you shouldn't come in like that. You should care about me. You should care about what the fuck, you should care about what you seen I need and do it. That's love. Not okay, I'm gonna do this because I know he needs that, and then when he needs me, when I need him, I'm gonna remind him of that shit. That is not love. Oh, it's not hell nah. That is deceit in a positive way, crazy enough. For real. It's so easy to just show love. Unintentional. And I feel like a lot of the way I think came from I listened to this book. Well, there's a book called Law of Attraction. Some people have read it. I like listening to the audiobook, and it basically kind of helped me mold my mind on how to balance out the universe and understand the way I think and the way I should perceive things so I can move according. And it's like something we are never taught. It's like you gotta run into it so you can understand what the meaning of life is. For real. The meaning of life is to be a creator of yourself. For real. Okay. You supposed to live for how you feel. You supposed to live for how you feel. If how you feel take putting in some work to get to what you want, you gotta put in that work. You can't just feel shit and not try it. You're not living your life. Straight up.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

Let me let me let me ask you something, right? Do you what do you like to do? Do you like to help others or do charity work? What do you like to do?

SPEAKER_04 36:08

Well, I say both, but charity for sure, because shit, I lived in a homeless shelter two times. Two times growing up. Once when I was um six years old, and the other time when I was 13 years old. Damn, I fucking dropped the tear behind my shades. God damn. But hell yeah, charity is very important, man, because it's important to show the youth that they got an opportunity no matter what they're going through. No matter what they're doing through. And when I became a person that could provide towards the city, I made sure that I did something so the people could feel it. They don't almost know nothing. They distracted.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

What you were saying, Zoe? No, Big Lou. So that's really, I had to like I'll try to cut you off for a little bit. I didn't mean to keep running on, but you want to tell it out. You want to tell it. I get it. You wanna tell it. I mean, that's well, you just hit you just hit me. I had to just stop you. Because when you said you you lived in a homeless shelter two times, so that really hit me. And that's why I'm like, damn. You know what I'm saying? And you gotta, you gotta, right now, I'm looking at you now, you gotta give God thanks and praise, dawg, because look where you at. You know what I'm saying? And look where you came from. So I that's why I was trying to stop you and just be like, man, dawg, this that's real, dawg.

SPEAKER_04 37:51

Thank you, thank you, man. And um I I really do, cuz I look at my life and I I take I like I look at myself from a third person point of view, and I'm like, man, you didn't fucking break. You had so many reasons to break. You didn't break. You didn't break. You didn't break. You didn't break. And that's that's that's that's good there, man. You gotta have, I feel like every person alive needs a self-built-in affirmation. You need that shit. Because there's times ain't nobody to talk to, or nobody understands you. So you need a built-in self-affirmation for real. Like for real. That's the most, I feel like that's the most important thing. It's more important than money. Cause you can have money, but still not feel like the way you want to feel, but you can have a fucking word in your mind that'll get you right. Everybody needs that shit.

unknown 38:52

Damn.

SPEAKER_04 38:52

Everybody needs that shit. And that's why I like to show love through getting people out of the dog. I kind of have given that word in them, but they need to have it in themselves. When I run out of words, you need to still be alright. For real.

unknown 39:11

Hey, man.

SPEAKER_04 39:12

This is a TED talk today.

SPEAKER_03 39:14

You got me. You got me drunk. You got me dropping my drink, dog. You were talking about some shit, man. Damn, this shouldn't be this this tea, this, this white tea is ruined.

SPEAKER_04 39:26

Hey, Louis talking about I can't get another. I'm sorry for coming in drunk. Nah, you good.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

I can't get another word my white tea. Damn. This white tea is ruined. Hey man, listen, man. I love this, man. I I really, you know what? I really enjoyed doing a great interview. And this is a great one. And you know, and you've been telling me, Bobas, I'm coming, I'm coming. And you know, this is like your third time, and you know, your sister been you know, you you you you know what people don't understand. Me and Big Lou go back from his sister. You feel what I'm saying? Sister introduced me to her. You know what I'm saying? And and and just like somebody else's sister introduced me to their brother, which was Ross. Your sister introduced me to her, you know, and stuff like that. Your sister introduced me to you. And I remember I remember you, you, you, you, uh, maybe you this might have been that five, six years ago, you you invited me to go to this all-white party with you. And that was all that was a Ross all-white party. And that was Ross, and then and then I was like, you know, and then me, I I never really be the type of person. I'm like, I'm always like in the background. I don't like to be accessible. But when you invite me, you told me, man, you got me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I couldn't say no. You feel me? And I came, and it is what it is, though.

SPEAKER_04 41:08

No, no, I'm so glad you brung that up. Um, because let me tell you. Um, alright, so I'm out there putting my music up and stuff, and shout out DJ Upps. DJ Upps, that's what I'm talking about. He's a real Zoe right there. DJ Upps, that man has always treated me like a star. Yeah. Wet from the dirt and like just kind of granting me um opportunities to make something happen. So when I show up, I can show up. And when he told me um he's DJing this Rick Ross All-White party, I had, he told me to buy a table. So you feel me? He was like, I'm gonna play your music all night, but buy a table, don't just show up. I said, hell yeah. So I bought a table, right? And I had uh four seats. And I remember telling myself, I'm gonna invite Papa Zoe because Papa Zoe, Papa Zoe, Papa Zoe gave me my first interview. Well, my first interview with Papa Zoe, he gave it to me for free. And I've done other interviews, but I don't know why God made it significant in my mind to invite Papa Zoe, but I remember like, man, I'ma invite Papa Zoe to this party, dog. And then I invited Papa Zoe, and um, we had an amazing time. And when we get in the party, Papa Zoe is like they is like he reunited with all his peoples. I had no clue. This man knew Rick Ross. All them boys, I had no clue. I was just grateful of him giving me that interview. So I was like, I'm about to do some major shit. Let me invite, bruh. And then he came and it was all love, man. That was a great night, man. It was. That was a great night. It was.

SPEAKER_03 43:02

Man, I I had to go buy me an outfit for that night. Because you know, I had a number of all white. I had to go get the all white right. I had to make sure I was right.

SPEAKER_04 43:11

Man, I remember um I was doing a uh a closing drive for Haiti at the time, too. This is a funny story. I was doing a closing drive at the time for Haiti. It happened to be uh uh earthquake or hurricane one or two. It was an earthquake. And while I was at the all-white party, a friend of mine named Darien, he's a firefighter.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

He pulled up to the party with a with a fire truck and this fire truck and a fire truck now. And the fire truck donate donate clothes, what type of clothes, what type of stuff. That was crazy. That was the crazy cut and like, Papa Zoe, give me a minute, man. I gotta go outside. My home, my friend, my fire truck, and it's true enough.

SPEAKER_04 44:00

Let me tell you when I when I came out, security top five people was there all day. But I just walked up to my dog and it got that back. It was an amazing day. Yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_03 44:13

Yeah, it was big Lou.

SPEAKER_04 44:15

It was. It was.

SPEAKER_03 44:16

That was awesome, though.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

Yeah, that was submitted that day submitted.

SPEAKER_03 44:19

You know what, though? You know what, Lou? I'm gonna tell you. That's gonna get me to come out. Not too many people. I don't blame you. And you one of them that got me to come out. So many people, yeah, boy, blah, blah, blah. I ain't gonna go out. I don't go nowhere. Yeah. You feel me? I'm not accessible like that. You feel what I'm saying? But you is like, it's different. You know what I'm saying? And and the rest was history, bro. Thank you. It's history. And I appreciate you, dog. I really do.

SPEAKER_04 44:54

Yeah, I appreciate you, man. Like, for real. Like, I invited you for a reason. You feel me? Like, for real. For real. I just I just I invited him because I knew it was gonna be a great time that night. And he was like, oh, I know Ray Ross. I'm like, okay. For real. That's that's what's up, shit. That's what's up.

SPEAKER_03 45:16

Ris was history. Yeah, for real. Oh man. Rish was history, man. Let me ask who let me ask you something. What what what what what uh five things you feel every young man should know? Oh shit, five things. Yeah, give me five. At least five.

SPEAKER_04 45:36

Um five things. All right. That a young man should know. That a young man should know.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Oh, number one. I know one I know one of them. I know one of them. Number one. You know one of them? I know one of them. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead then.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

He's gonna say God. He's gonna say God. Okay. Have a relationship with God. That's number one.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

That's it. The rest of him. I just I just jump out there and say, yeah, he's gonna say God. A young man should know God. Yeah, OTG.

SPEAKER_04 46:11

Yeah, man, the world removes us from God. It really does. The number two thing I say is to understand that you have to grow up. You have to grow up. At some point, you have to parent yourself. You feel me? Yeah. I feel like a lot of niggas get stuck at the age of 19. The age of 19, like past 18, 19, you gotta do something that requires the old you to disappear. Yeah. But I like that. So every young, every young man, white, black, Spanish, white. Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

Whatever you is. Everything, yep. I'm still stuck in the old days, and they about 35 years old.

SPEAKER_04 46:55

You know, but the thing is, too, they don't even know that it's so much beauty on the other side of a different mentality. It's like people trapped in their mentality because the pleasure of it. But when you develop your mind, you find bliss in everything. God made life perfect. People forget that. He made life perfect. We ain't perfect, but he made it perfect. So it's like you gotta keep seeking. Once you stop seeking and you'll outgrow yourself, you'll be fighting with your own emotions. It means time to just change. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Damn, Luke. For real.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

You you you going that deep deep, my nigga.

SPEAKER_04 47:37

Too much people attach failure to change. That'd be the thing.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Too much people attached.

SPEAKER_04 47:43

Failure to change. Shit. Because I had to change, I failed that. No, you experienced that.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

That's all it is.

SPEAKER_04 47:50

So now you're experiencing this, take it to the highest ability. That's what that book, Law of Attraction, taught me. For real.

SPEAKER_03 47:58

You know one thing I notice about you, big loop? Everywhere you go, you rep Haiti. Heavy, dog.

SPEAKER_04 48:09

No, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 48:10

Just like I do the same thing. Walk the water. Everywhere, you know, you you rep it. I go to the Rick Cross Car show, dog. I'm rep. We had a we had a golf cart, golf cart with Haiti flag all around it. This year we're God willing, we going, we putting Haiti all around it. Again, Haiti flag. You know what I'm saying? So it's like you, you, you, you know, you like, it makes me feel so good, you feel me, to to see, you know, the young generation of the Zoes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:46

Got to, man, got to. And I ain't even gonna lie, I feel like my generation is, see, I'm one of the um first um American-born Haitians, you know? And the generation behind me, they are they are American-born Haitians, but to a higher degree. So they kind of less rooted. You feel me? So I feel like the reason why I represent and the generation behind me should understand why they should represent, because the reason I represent is because we got people over there that need to have hope.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 49:26

And we exemplify hope through our actions. Yeah, facts. You feel me? We make it proud to be a Haitian. They have their pride over there, but we have a pride that kind of shines. So it's like almost a duty to take care of your business because you have more opportunity over here.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 49:44

For real, if you out here and you a zoo and you ain't doing good, you fucking up. They should send your ass back and send your cousin, give them your name. Type shit. You know what I'm talking about. So, like, that's why I always represent Haiti, because I know it's probably gonna be a kid out there thinking, like, damn, I'm over here living in rebel, probably starving. But there's a Haitian out there that's living better. So whatever happens with me, I have a potential of living better. You know? Fuck where I'm at. It's about how I feel. You know? So that's why I always represent Haiti. Kind of give a light. It's important, it's important for real.

SPEAKER_01 50:24

Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

America's the greatest place. So I gotta represent it so they can feel better from where they at and do good where they at and live a better life where they at or where they got to go. You know? That's that's where my mind at.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

Especially with our history.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

It was a really like a pleasure to have you on the show, dog. You know, and just it was it's really a pleasure to have you on the show. You know what I'm saying? And you uh you uh you you brighten up the horizon. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 51:13

Thank you, thank you for me.

SPEAKER_03 51:15

You came in a little tipsy, but that's okay though. That's you came in tipsy because you know you was coming in at home that you're gonna be taken care of.

SPEAKER_04 51:27

For sure, yeah, for sure that.

SPEAKER_03 51:29

You feel me, tipsy or not, yeah, you ain't good hand.

SPEAKER_04 51:32

Yeah, no, for sure that.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

You feel me? I'ma let you, if you fall, I ain't gonna let you bump your hand, nigga. I'ma hold you. Boy, you alright, boy? I'm gonna I'ma grab you. You already know that. Just like me, this, what we, what we got, this ain't got nothing to do with no fucking money, no business, no nothing. This is personal family shit. Nah, yeah, for sure. From a Haitian, an older Haitian to a younger Haitian. You dig what I'm saying? Nah, yeah, I feel the same way, man. You know, you you know your big sister? That's my baby. I feel the same way. I love her. You know, we work, you we used to work together. I know, yeah. You feel me, I'm saying? So, and she always tell me about my brother, big Lou, big Lou, big. And then, dog, it's it's a pleasure. This is my third time with you. And then you haven't, this is this is a new, different vibe. You know what I'm saying? I ain't even gonna lie. My boy Walk the Walk.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

So, you know, I had some freeze fames going off in my mind of when I pulled up. It's definitely nigga elevated for sure over time, dog. You know? And I'm happy to see it too, man. Appreciate you, man. This place is nice.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

I appreciate you. You know what I'm saying? And then and then and then and then I'm not going, I'm not, I can't, I can't take all the credit because all the credit can't go to me. All the credit gotta go to God, gotta go to Adrian from High Criteria, and gotta go to Michelle from Quarter Media. You feel what I'm saying? And my motherfucking brother from another mother walked the wall. And we came up, we we and we all believe in each other. And then that's what this is. This is a whole production, yeah. You feel what I'm saying? Yep. That's what this is. You know what I'm saying? So I love that.

SPEAKER_04 53:25

You got multiple mics, multiple cameras, yeah, lighting. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:29

Make sure you're gonna make sure aesthetics. We're gonna make sure you look good just like that.

SPEAKER_04 53:33

I know all about aesthetics.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

You feel what I'm saying? We're gonna make sure you look good, even better.

unknown 53:38

Even better.

SPEAKER_04 53:39

Nah, this this is better than I saw. I remember you feel me, you you interviewed my homie them because my homie didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

Your boys did that. You feel me? And then we and then we came out because of you.

SPEAKER_04 53:53

Yeah, for sure. We came out because of you. We know I told them boys like he gonna do it because he fucked me.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

I came out, man. Adrian, you know, we came out, walk the walk, couldn't be there that time. You know what I'm saying? And we came out, we like, we came out, we drove to y'all wait, you know, what you know what I'm saying? Because because you, Papa Zoo, do me this favor, do me that, all right, we're gonna come out. Nah, yeah, that boy needs that, man. And then we did that, and and them boys, they're some good dude, and I can't wait for the young dude to come on. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because he got a lot of talent. Yeah, for sure. He got a lot of talent.

SPEAKER_04 54:28

Take advantage of the time, man.

SPEAKER_03 54:30

Yeah, you got a lot of talent. Is there anything, man, before we close out that you wanna message you wanna give out, you wanna say before we close out the show? Anything, please.

SPEAKER_04 54:41

Is there any message I want to give out?

SPEAKER_03 54:45

Man, there's so much going on. Give it. Give it. Before we close out, give it, let them know it.

SPEAKER_04 54:52

Well, I guess I could say, just to be broader on the horizon, um, I just wanted to tell everybody, just make sure you love yourself. You making the right decisions within yourself, and you believing in yourself, and you using your actions to define your reality instead of reality defining you because that's the only way you're gonna love yourself. Because when reality is hard, it's hard to love yourself. So just make sure you love yourself through your actions, and eventually that shit take over. Shit, I'd have been up and down, back up again, and I'm running like a motherfucker. So, everybody need to understand it. Just take love of yourself, and over time, you just take over. For real, you take over your reality. God is love straight up.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

Big Lou, I appreciate you, man, for stopping through on the Papa's O show. It's always one love.