Season 1 - Ep 4 | Breaking Generational Curses | A Healthy Man Podcast

In Episode 4 of A Healthy Man Podcast, Pastor Brad and Shane dive into the topic of generational curses, family patterns, and the freedom that Christ offers to break cycles of sin, addiction, and brokenness. Through biblical teaching, personal stories, and practical insight, they explore the difference between inherited influences and personal choices, and what it means to walk in the new identity we've been given through Christ. If you've ever felt trapped by the struggles of previous generations, this conversation offers hope, encouragement, and a reminder that lasting freedom is found in a daily relationship with Jesus.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Episode four, a healthy man podcast. Uh sat down with Brad today and we had a great conversation about generational curses, just kind of better defining what that is. Um do the things that we struggle with are those because our parents and our parents' parents really struggled with it, or do we live in a place of freedom? We got into some good conversations, so we hope you guys enjoy it. And yeah, well, subscribe. Check us out on YouTube, Spotify, and wherever other podcasts are listed. So hope you enjoy.

SPEAKER_04 0:32

Because you're gonna talk about white. All right, oh yeah, ready? One, two, three.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Episode four of a healthy man podcast. Uh, joining in today. Let me just restart that. One, two, three. Hey guys, this is episode four of a healthy man podcast. It's gonna just uh be Bradley and I today. We're gonna have a good discussion around generational curses. I don't know why I threw my hand up like that.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

I don't know why you were smiling about something as ominous as generational curses.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, you should be fine. Yeah, you don't have to be scared. Very, very casual entry.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

It's like, hey guys, we're gonna talk about death row.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

All right, hold on, real quick. Let me just try that again. Today's episode of a healthy man podcast, we're gonna be talking about generational curses. Ooh. And how that uh you should take them very seriously. And you may be being tormented by generational curses right now and not even know it. And we're gonna discuss on today's podcast and break those.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

And by the end of this, you're going to break these.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Yeah. Tune in. Happening now. And five, four, three, two, two, one, one. Go. Go. Use all of those clips. People are like, they have a lot of intros on this. No, but Brad, Brad and I are going to have a conversation just about some generational curse stuff. What is a generational curse that gets thrown around a lot in the church space? And so we would kind of want to break down what exactly I think people mean when they when they talk about this. I think some people, what really came to mind is when you brought up this topic, the number one thing is like a lot of people can feel like use it as like, oh, I'm stuck. This is a generational curse, like a ghost that they can't run away from. You know what I mean? That was the one thing that I thought. And so I think there is like an allusion to generational curses that needs to be broken. And then there's some realities. So we're gonna get into that conversation.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

Before we get into it, can I just um say, why is it me and you?

SPEAKER_01 2:33

You know, um some people get sick, you know what I mean? We had another guest, he got sick, but then we made a call. We made a call. We made a call. You said, Do we get someone on? I said, in my mind, I said, there's one person that I was thinking of, and it was John Will. And this is why, if you ever have an emergency, there's some people you know in your friend group that you can call, and there's some people you're not. I'm not that person. I call I tell you all the time, by the time you call me back, I'm like, thank God I wasn't choking because I'd be dead, you'd be you'd be doing my funeral. Um John Will is another one of those things.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

Jesus was four days late to his friend's funeral.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

I don't want to, I'm not sure if I want to test your your resurrection skills on me, but that's that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

I'm just saying, I could show up late and we could still handle business.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Yeah, we yeah, absolutely. Um but John Will gave him a uh a jingle, as we like to use uh that phrase on the phone. We gave him a jingle because we're in a pickle. Gave him a jingle because we were in a pickle and he didn't answer the phone. Then he tried calling me back 10 minutes later and I didn't answer because I was like, nope, we've moved on. We're just gonna roll solo today. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

John, we're looking at you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

If you're watching this on this episode, I'll know if you've watched this because you'll come up and have a conversation with me later about this topic.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Doors open, doors shut.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

That's right. Opportunity missed. There's just some people that leave their phones and their notifications constantly on silence.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

Which mine are on silent.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

All the time. And I will say that I've never been that person until this year where I've really dialed in and been like, all right, I'm gonna put this on do not disturb. I'm gonna be and so I've I've begun to dip my toe into the water.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

I do it out of necessity. I have to. So, like yesterday, we had a crazy weekend. I mean, insane weekend. Yeah, and for me, it was just coming back. I was off two weeks and then on teaching. So my whole week revolves around my teaching schedule, usually and travel schedule with my kids, but um coming back, just getting myself there mentally to preach on Sunday is like a chore, you know. Yeah, yeah. And so, anyways, getting myself there and then all day long, and then we had I had a couple pastors from Bakersfield come and I met with them before the event. And so you don't you know them, but I don't want to say their name on air just because I don't know if they want people knowing that they're meeting with me. But, anyways, uh met with a couple pastors. Gosh, and talking about FOMO right now, digging. Yeah, cool, Muriel. Yeah, well, it's not from like our old church or something, they're random pastors. Random, okay. Not random, they're they're really cool people. I met them at the Send event.

unknown 5:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:14

The Send event in Orange County. Okay. Um, the activator church event in the fall. Anyways, went from that directly into the worship night, which was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Yeah. Worship night was honestly, can I say pleasantly, surprised? Is surprise the right word? Like, I was like, there were so many people from so many different churches in our county that showed up to worship the Lord on a Sunday night. I know. The speculative in myself to go like, oh, they've been at church all day on Sunday, da da da broke all of that in myself of going, like, dude, that's what it's about. Worship is the number one priority. They're they're hungry. It was great. They're hungry.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

That shows you they're hungry not for a special speaker, they're hungry not for a perfect plan, they're hungry for Jesus. Yeah. You know, but uh yesterday I woke up and I was overstimulated. Have you ever had a residual overstimulation? Absolutely, yeah. Like I can't lock in. I couldn't even like read my Bible without like my mind just firing, just I couldn't lock in on the scriptures, like or whatever. So I shut my notifications off. And I had uh a couple guys working at the house, Jacob and Fletcher. Okay. They were doing some demo work, and so you know what I did is I went and got some ranchero steaks, and I made some fresh pico de gallo.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Okay, and then I was waiting for you to call me to borrow my truck.

SPEAKER_03 6:36

Yeah, I should have called you to come over and eat tacos with us because those guys worked all morning, and then uh I made fresh ranchero steak tacos for the guys. Nice. That was my day yesterday, and then I posted up on the couch after they left, and I vetched out on Netflix. I'm gonna be honest. I love it. Wasn't Netflix, it was actually Prime. There was a couple movies.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Well, we get to live in one of the most beautiful places that I think, depending on your opinion in America. No, it is. No. No, no, be emphatic. Yeah, we live we own it. We live at the beach. We're blessed. We live in no not all beaches are the same. But we live in in the promised land, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 7:11

Yeah, but don't just summarize it as the beach. This is Ventura, California. This is VTC.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

This is the the VTC. This is the Shire. That's it. Well, I got to hang with our boy Audrey L yesterday and a few others just kicking back. You guys made up.

SPEAKER_04 7:25

I don't want to do this on air, but you guys made up. We're good. Well, I'm made up. Oh, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 7:30

We're okay. You guys are happy with each other? We're way good. Okay. Audrey and all Audre L and I, we have just we have conversations. That's it. All right. You know what I mean? I'm happy.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:40

We're healthy men. We're healthy men. You want to know what I love about Audrey L, and it might be because of like, and I don't want to take this away from your character because I think this is your character too.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

But a lot of it is like You should put up a picture of Audre L as we're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

He asks, he asks questions, very like very direct questions, right? So like our conversation yesterday was not one of like passion. It was like, hey, let me understand what you're thinking of right here. Like, let me understand the expectation. And I'm like, this is my understanding. This is what I would present to you. And it was very, hey, okay, see you later.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

There you go. I love this. Yeah. So let's break some curses.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Okay, let's break some curses, Harry Potter. Oh man. Okay, so right out of the gate, as we sharply pivot, I want to discuss my first question out the gate was uh, what what do we mean, or what do people mean when they they say generational curse?

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Um you're asking me? That's the first question. So that's the first question. When Adam and Eve sinned, it says death followed. Along with death, death is a part of the curse. So what happens is basically God had a plan and a design for humanity. He said, I created you with an intention, I created you with relationship, with covenantal partnership, with he had a dream for humanity in himself. It was in the garden. Right. So you have wild earth, you have untamed nature, you have stars, you have the cosmos, and then on Mount Eden, he created a place for his pleasure, which was relationship with man. Okay. That place of connection was a cultivated garden.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

This was not a controlled environment, this was a cultivated environment. If it was a controlled environment, then there would have been no second tree and there would be no choice.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

So say that again.

SPEAKER_03 9:38

This was not a controlled environment, it was a cultivated environment. Okay. If it was a controlled environment, then there would have been no second tree, and we would have had no choice. And there also would have been no other voice.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

So this is so I think some guys out there need to hear that in their marriages that you need to have a cultivated environment. Not a controlled environment. Not a controlled environment. A cultivating. That's actually a good word right there. Yeah. You said it.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

I thought it. Yeah, there's a Holy Spirit though, maybe. I don't like sometimes like I'm speaking of my it's good. Yeah, sometimes it comes out. It's him. Sometimes it'll get plugged in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

I'm gonna come back to consciousness. Here we go. No. Um, no, but Mount Eden was a place of his pleasure. Uh, the garden was the place of covenant connection. It was a cultivated environment. Because it wasn't controlled, we had the ability to choose other things because love needs a choice. Love cannot be controlled, love cannot be manipulated, love cannot be. You understand, God is irresistible, he could influence anybody at any time to do anything he wants to do. And um in his infinite wisdom, he chose to limit his own sovereignty to a place where he wants people to choose in to covenant, right? So we did not choose his voice, we chose another voice. And the Bible teaches that when you obey someone, you become a slave to the one you obey in Romans. We became a slave to sin, and death followed. And what came from that is what's called a curse. Okay, that means basically like there's a pronunciation of destruction, yeah. Where it's like, hey, because you did this, here's what follows. Right. Jesus cursed the fig tree, and he said, You shall no longer bear any fruit. And never said that he didn't want it to bear fruit, he actually went to the tree hungry. Yeah, you know what I mean. He actually went desiring fruit. That's what people don't see. It's like, no, he's actually desiring fruit out of this relationship, and humanity is like the barren fig tree. I believe it's John 21. I could be wrong, don't quote me on that. Um but he went desiring fruit and it says that he found none. And then he pronounced, like, here's the result of that. Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

This is so that was the word that came to mind when we were when I was kind of doing a little research on on the word curse last night was consequence. Almost you could kind of put that that word in there from what you're saying. It's like God has a divine order in the way that he intended things to be. And he is thank God, he is a God that does not go back on his word. He is not fickle, he's not shifting, right? He is a God that he puts things in place and he had a plan in place, and there's also consequences to the decision, the free will that they had that brought about a curse, as opposed to some people look at God and they go, like, God curses you. And it's like, no, like can we can we substitute this word out for for consequence? Where it's like there is a divine thing that God put into place that if we choose from our free will to deviate from that, there's things that he can't go back on because he set those in place. Like case in point, you ate of the fruit tree. The consequence is like now it's we're severed from our you know, intimacy, therefore, there's now this way that the world is going to be, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:05

And what's interesting. So, what is the source of the curse? This is where like people think the source of the curse is uh the sin. That's that's what you would define the choice as the choice to fall short, which I can talk about in a little bit of the different types of sin. But um Galatians says that the sin came through or the sin came through commandment, and the curse came through commands. So, like without the command to don't eat of this tree, you never actually even have the choice to enter outside of that. So so curse itself, cursing itself when you say that like God speaks and then there's consequence. Right. If God never said anything, then we just exist.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

No consequence, right? So this is what it means when it says that Jesus came to abolish the curse of the law or redeem us from the law.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

He said he didn't come to abolish it, he came to the law.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

Redeem us from the curse, right, of the law that the law brought. So it's like where there is no law, there is no, what's the word that they use?

SPEAKER_03 14:07

Galatians 3 13. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. It's the curse of the law. Right. That's what I'm saying. It's a spoken thing from God where he said, Don't do this. Right. That's that pronunciation because God cannot lie. It says, Grot Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. Yeah. So so crazy. So, yes, he's like, This is who you're gonna become. And even in that, even in your cursing, even in your darkness and your despair and your brokenness, I'm going to go become this for you. And this is Jesus. It says that cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree, in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

So, what I'm picking up through our conversation that's like I feel like it's really important to really kind of put an emphasis on, is again just reiterating be very grateful. I am very grateful that God is a God that does not go back on his word and he's not fickle.

SPEAKER_04 15:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

But he does place law and things into order, that there are consequences, or there's if you you eat of the tree, this happens. If you live this way, this happens. And but then there's grace in that.

SPEAKER_03 15:27

Yeah, well, see, that's the in the distinguishing those two, just on your track. Yeah. So we're in an age of grace in the church age. But do you understand that in the spirit realm it is heavily legal? Like blood of Jesus justifies you. It's legal, it's a legal system, yes. It's legal. The authority Christ has given you, you can trample down on serpents and on demons and on all the above. Uh, when you have been forgiven, it's done. Like your debt was actually crucified. Like you were, it says that the decrees spoken against you, all the words spoken against you were crucified. So, like it's heavily legal in the spirit realm. Yeah. You know, it's it's just it's light or dark. There's no like here we're in an age of grace.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

But I I want it like that's the deception because people are like, well, I could just do anything, I could just go anywhere, I could just become anything. It's like, well, no.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Exactly. But there's something on here to where even going into the authority piece of like as Christians, we'll just speak to men, like the authoritative piece, that is a legal like transaction. Yep. So like when we give our lives to Jesus, you're spiritually and legally adopted. Adopted, spiritually and legally adopted, because this this takes care of the excuse me, this idea where we can get into like, oh, I did this and this. He's probably taking it all back. He doesn't love me anymore. I fell too many times. No, you're adopted. The graces ran out. There is a legal transaction where it's like, as sons, as adopted children into his family, the authority that we carry, it's not fickle. It's not, it's not based upon like performance, performance, behavior. It's now a legal thing to us. So when you go and you speak over to your over your family, or you go and you have a situation where you're praying over somebody, that authority to have that shift in mindset that no, this authority is actually transactional because I gave my life to Jesus, I surrendered my will for his, and in return, he goes, Here's my authority.

SPEAKER_03 17:25

And he in the transaction gave himself for you. So you gave to him, he gave to you. He said, in communion, he says, Here is my body, here is my body, it's been given to you. Right. So in the transaction, he doesn't just receive your sin, he gives you his righteousness.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Right. So on this topic of what where it leads me into this next conversation that I got from the beginning curse, is it stems this this thing that you hear a lot in people specifically that that don't understand uh the Lord and and just everything that encompasses that is they go, like, if God is loving, why does he allow bad things to happen to good people or in general? Like you can go down the gauntlet, like murder, rape, genocide, all the things over the span of centuries that's happened in our world that's current today. People have this mindset if he's so good and he's so all-knowing and he's in control, how come he doesn't come and he doesn't save everybody? Yeah. So what we're talking about is is like he set things in place in the beginning. We chose from our free will. So you you could go back. I think we talked about this on Thursday about getting a shirt that says it's their fault. Well, really, the guy said he wanted to get a shirt made that's like it was her fault. Speaking of Eve eating the Adam, but really it was their fault. You could get that shirt. Eve didn't eat Adam, it was the apple. Oh, the apple, sorry, excuse me. Sorry, I think you were clarifying. I got you. But like this idea, if you want to know why we're living in a broken and fallen world, you can take it all the way back to this first curse.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

It's her fault unless you're Adam and you've been commanded to cultivate the garden. Yeah. And going back on the first thing that you So why did the serpent even enter in the garden?

SPEAKER_04 19:13

Dude, whose responsibility was it to rebuke the serpent? Okay, so speaking of this, okay, again, this is speaking to the nature of the world.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

So it's Eve's fault. I'm like, so the man gets to sit there with the remote in his hand and and watch football and the wife makes a decision.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

We didn't write the Torah, you know what I mean? We just read it, you know what I'm saying? I'll go with that. I'll go with that. I'll go with that. Either way, so like going to this idea that God sets things in place, there's this legal system, you know, consequences, you call it curse, whatever you want, to the beginning of your conversation about the garden was meant to be cultivated, not controlled. God set up a free will system in there. God was so set it up in a way to where the God wasn't surprised that the devil entered the garden.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

No, and neither was Adam or Eve. They weren't surprised. So, what does that tell you about who the devil was? That he's familiar. Right. Okay. What does that tell you about the presence of angels and us being on an inhabited planet? What does that tell you about um just the familiarity of the voice? Like, she wasn't shocked, like, who are you? You know, so somehow, like, and maybe we take this with a spiritual application because I don't want to get into a whole pre-edemic uh civilization conversation, but I'll just say that like it's interesting because the voice of the devil can become very, very familiar. And you can have a narrative that forms over years, which we're gonna talk about when we get into like breaking curses. But yeah, you can become so familiar with the devil's voice in the place of connection and cultivation that you just like, oh, that makes sense. That makes total sense. You know what? I am, I have been wronged. Yeah, and I need to go fix this. Yeah, you know, and I need to go, you know, that's I deserve better than that. I deserve, I it's just me, me, me, me, me. God knows that if you really, really, really understood what he understood, then you would be like him. Yeah. You know what? You're right. Like, I do all these great righteous works, and my wife doesn't appreciate me. And you see how this whole thing goes, and the devil's really, really good about slipping in and creeping in under the surface and bringing suggestions because open rebellion, we would, we would deny that.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

The devil showed up and he's like, deny God, most of us would say no. Right. But if he comes and he's like, I want to irritate you into a divorce.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:39

I want to bother you into a bad day. And I'm just gonna let this thorn stay in your side and you're not gonna know how to manage it. And you're gonna pray and it's not gonna go away because God's not removing everything. And then I'm gonna bring you disappointment, and disappointment is gonna lead you, and you're gonna now begin to pray from a place of poverty. Because you're gonna feel like an orphan. You know, and you see how the you cause because what I had got into was there's the curse, but then there's the culture of disconnect. Right. So the culture of disconnect creates children of despair. So like a culture of disconnect is a domain of darkness, the Bible says. So like, and and I know this is super deep. I probably should teach on this on a Sunday, but like but like this is everything we experience in sin is a culture of disconnect.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

Right.

SPEAKER_03 22:29

That's deep. I I mean it blew my mind. I was looking at it a couple weeks ago, and I'm like, oh, like all this, like just dreams die. Joy dies, yeah, hope dies, faith dies, assuming the best dies. Yeah, all this stuff dies because you're in a culture of disconnect where you have no access to God, who is eternal hope, salvation, joy, unspeakable.

SPEAKER_01 22:57

So would you say that people that aren't saved are still living under the curse? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

And and they live with the Bible says darkened understanding. That is in the that is in the domain of despair and darkness and disconnect. So it's dark. So not only do you live under the roof of the curse, you live with darkened understanding because you've been conditioned to believe in the culture of disconnect.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Right.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Well, that's this I probably I have to teach of this at some point.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Write it down because you're gonna forget all of it.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

I probably will, but I can't do that right now until this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

This this leads me to understand why people can have this mindset of the Lord of like they see the despair and the reality of a fallen and broken world that is the result of the fall in the garden. Right. That's what I'm saying. We we live in that reality. And to be honest, even those of us that are covered under the blood of Jesus, like we're covered, but the world is still a broken place. There's still stuff that happens.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

You are seated with him. Yes. Experientially, you are still in your wilderness. Exactly. Well, John Jesus says You're no longer in Egypt, right? Positionally. Right. Experientially, you're still in the wilderness. Yes. Stuck with yourself. Yes. So you and every battle may not be the devil now, it might just be you. Well, it might just be your own stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

The world, right? So like John 16, I feel like needs to be a verse that I have memorized more often or posted where it's like, because Jesus says, take care, because in the world you're gonna have some stuff that goes on. I have the mentality sometimes, I go through this a lot. I have to remind myself where I go, like, oh I'm a son, like I'm not gonna be like experiencing the brokenness of this world, like all the junk that's involved with it, because I'm a son. I can just pray and all of that stuff goes away. No wonder Jesus stuff gets fixed, right? Well, Jesus, right? Like, I don't wonder if you can get into this mentality where I go like, no Lord, like we're supposed to be tight and you're supposed to have control. Well, a lot of people have this mindset.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

It's such a funny thing because we go there, like, God, don't you have control? Like, did he have control in the garden?

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Yes, and yes, and but enough control to where he allowed whatever to take place where he takes place.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

And this is where you get like God actually affirms destruction. That's heavy, that's heavy. And I'm not, and I don't want to get into all that, but I'll just say that like the the idea that God controls everything, it's kind of like the idea of like me as a husband in my house, because in it says that I should lead my wife as Christ leads the church. Does that mean that I control my wife? Does that mean it's like the handmaid tells? Like she's here to produce babies and then she moves to the next thing, and you know, whatever. Like, what is my wife supposed to be here for? Um, my daughters, are they children of obedience? That's all they are. I need you to obey me, never question me. Right, do what I say. And then in the end, it's like, where is the discovery of love and you know, all the things? Like, yeah, you know, like he doesn't control our households. I don't control my household, I cultivate relationship within my household.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Yeah. The lens, the lenses are so close together, depending on which one you look through, you get this, you you form your character. The character.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

He's holding the sun, he's holding the sun. There's spiritual laws. Right. He's holding the sun, he's holding the stars, he's holding back actually the wrath of God, if anything, like Jesus is there holding back the wrath of God is our advocate and propitiation, is preventing the full, full realization of our sin. Yeah. Because if we were to openly, if we had no grace, if we had no church, you had no angels, you had no prayer, you had no worship. Can you imagine how dark this planet would be? Yeah. So I could argue actually that the way he's controlling is actually he's influencing to prevent wrath.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Right. Well, and this is the two lens, right? So a person who isn't saved can read the Bible and see the world around them and go, God is not in control. If he was in control, like this, all this stuff wouldn't be happening. Um, reading the Old Testament, I see that, man, all these people are being slaughtered, all these people, this patriarch committed adultery, this patriarch committed murder. But you see through a lens of everything that's that's evil and twisted, or you can see through the lens and see the grace of God throughout the entire Bible to where it's like, man, you see a God that's pursuing his his people who's offering grace in every circumstance. Even if you get through the book of Revelation, which we just went to through as a church, you see that up until the very end, God's going, like, is there anyone else? Is there anyone else? Like this goes to the parable of the people that worked all day for 15 hours, and the one that just got in the last hour of the day and they all got paid the same. It's like the same thing. It's like he's going, is there anyone else? There's no earning, it's just the blood of Jesus. Is there anyone else? So I see grace.

SPEAKER_03 28:05

Yeah, and if you look in the garden, it says that he walked with them and he went to find them. He walked in the cool of the day with them, but he went and he said, Adam, where are you? He's the one pursuing them. Yeah, yeah. You know, um, Jesus pursued us. Like it's he is, I think he's actively working for our good. Jeremiah 29, 11 says that he he says, I know the plans I have for you, plans for your good. Yes, that was circumstantial with the people of Israel and their judgment and Babylon because of their sin and the consequence of their choices and their neglect spiritually and their lack of cultivation of the relationship. But the reality is God said, I know the plans I have for you. I'm thinking good thoughts about you. That I mean, that's gnarly, like to think that like God's sitting back and he's like, No, I'm like, for me, I get more frustrated than anything about being misrepresented. Yeah, me too. You know, when someone's like misrepresenting like my intentions, I'm like, that's not what I want. That's not actually what I want. Yeah, like that's not my heart. That's why I'm very slow in leadership to let someone represent me because I want to make sure that they carry things with the same heart and and and the love that I that I would have. And I'm not perfect, like I mess up, but I'm saying that like I don't want to be misrepresented, and I can only imagine from God's perspective when the church is saying a bunch of stuff and he's like, literally, I gave you Jesus Christ. Yeah, I gave you Jesus, and I said, in Hebrews 1, this is the perfect picture of my intention for humanity. And he came and he healed your disease. Yeah, he came and he delivered you of your darkness, he transferred you from a kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of my beloved son. He said, and you've been securely grafted in. He he gave you bread, he gave you fish, he he invited you into upper rooms, like he walked with you. This is me.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Yeah. Talk about the how good that the devil is at deceiving people. Is you have a world full of people that have uh embraced the brokenness to where they don't even know that they're broken, but to where it's like Jesus, they their mindset of Jesus is like, why do I need to be saved? I'm perfectly okay with my brokenness.

SPEAKER_03 30:19

And let me let me say this. This is gonna be a little bit controversial, but like we become children of wrath, children of division. And like we, I just think it breaks God's heart. Like I really do. Like when we're sitting here and I fight for justice. Justice is inherent. Justice is inherent in us. You don't see, uh, I heard somebody on a podcast the other day, I don't actually don't remember which podcast, but he was saying the fact that we care about the rights of the poor, the rights of the victims, the rights of anyone who's been mistreated or whatever, the fact that we care about that shows that we're different than animals. You know, like we're not just trying to save our young and feed our kids. Like, we actually care about justice, what's right and wrong. That's us being made in the image of God. Right? Um, so that's real. So like I understand wanting justice.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:12

But man, I just look at Jesus. I just look at him and I'm like, if I mean the Christ is justice. And if God Himself laid himself down, you know, and I look at that and I'm like, why are we picking up so many stones at so many people? Like I've tried to really stop this, like in myself. Like I've stopped trying to, I've I'm doing my very best. I still fall back, but I don't criticize other churches the way I used to. I don't criticize fallen pastors the way I used to. I don't speak about things. I just don't, the way that I used to, where I'm like, this is wrong, uh-uh-uh, and you're just like pointing it out. I understand that those voices need to arise. So I'm not saying those voices don't need to arise. They do need to arise. And God will bring justice. Yeah. But he says, uh, wrath is mine. Right. He said, Vengeance is mine, says the Lord. You know, as far as for me, it says, Um, I need to become like Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Yeah, and love.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

I'll leave it there.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Yeah. So we we talked about, and this is kind of the way I was hoping this would go, that there is a curse that happened in the beginning that is over the world. Death, suffering, brokenness. That that is a reality that we live in. We live in this broken, fallen world. And in the midst of that, the grace and the power of Jesus Christ covers everything. Beautiful, yes. Covers everything. Let's get into this idea of generational curses in the lens of sins that get passed on to our father. So, what I my understanding was when I was younger, when I heard this, was like, for example, my dad was abusive, so that's why I'm abusive. My dad's dad was an alcoholic, and he wasn't, my dad was an alcoholic, so therefore that's why I struggle with alcoholism. And the gauntlet of whatever, fill in the blank, that is for you. You know, my parents were divorced, so you know, I'm divorced. I my wife and I even used to talk about this, you know, coming from broken families, of going like, we want to break the the line of divorced parents in our in our lineage. You know what I mean? We have these conversations.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

Look, so you know, in foreign countries, this cursing thing on that. Uh like I was talking to I think it was Seth and Elise or somebody who's in Bali, Indonesia, and they're saying it's normal sometimes for like witch doctors and and others to curse someone and have them die, literally. And and you're like, oh, they were cursed. It's normal. I'm like, whoa, that is not normal.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Right. Well, when we we started going to church, there was that. I I put it in the notes. I did not prepare for that comment, so I'm not fully. I don't know if you saw it, but it was like when we first started going to church, it was like a year in, they used to have this uh this group that met called cleansing streams. I remember do you remember cleansing streams? Yes, and it was all about breaking generational curses. It was literally spiritual generational curses to where they had people at the door and you came in and people were praying over you and almost like marinating you at like a steak ready to go into a spiritual cleansing oven. And you'd go in and they'd have you go, like, if you have pride or lust, we're in the counter three, one, two, three, and they'd have everybody clap and like, let's break it in Jesus' name. It was like, you I don't know, it went once back. I went back. Did you go back? I thought like maybe that first time I was like, okay, I broke it all. You know what I mean? Like it was broken. But the way that they went about it, like that was my mind frame of like, okay, there's something on me that I have no control of. That was what it painted in my mind. Is like my parents gave me something, so the reason why I am the way I am is because of my parents or my parents' parents, or it was passed on. Do you think that that's how that works? Are people trapped? Do people have no control over what's passed on through their parents? Well, and I their parents' parents.

SPEAKER_03 35:03

Yeah, and I just said that like I think it's a cultivated relationship, not a controlled relationship. Number one, we've been given a sovereign choice, and I don't think the devil can take that from us. Okay. The Bible says, resist the devil and he will flee. Yeah. So we have an active yielding responsibility where we yield ourselves to the process. Yeah. Um, number one. But Exodus 20. Gotcha. It says, Um, did you have that? Oh, Exodus 20 and then Ezekiel 18. Yeah, okay. So it says, uh, you shall not worship other gods, for I am the Lord your God, a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation. Um I'm gonna give two minutes of backdrop and then I'm gonna say what I have to say. My dad was an addict. He was domestically abusive. Um I used to idolize him, like I wanted to be like him, and uh not in all those ways, but I just used to idolize him. He was tough, he was dangerous, he was a prison guy, he was a convict, right? Um I mean he gave me my first drink of alcohol, like he he introduced me to like pornography and other things, like it was just laying around our bathroom, like it, like, and back then it was a little different. It's actually pornography is more dangerous now because you can just open your phone and you can do it, and nobody knows. Back then you had to like get a magazine or something in the 90s. But um, not only that, like he had a lot of affairs on my mom and things like that. And I I was exposed to a lot of that. But most of all, he was like, he was a meth addict, and his dad introduced him to methamphetamine when he was a kid. And they would work on motorcycles together in the garage and all this. And then his dad uh was like one of the hard my grandpa on that side was one of the hardest men ever, which by the way, he uh one of my last conversations with him, it was almost like he didn't know me. Like it was crazy. I saw him in a parking lot in an apartment one time, and I walked up and I was like, Papa. He was like, Hey and like it was just cold, and I was like, Oh gosh, okay. It's like good to see you. And I don't know if he was waiting on a drug deal or something. I don't know if he's just there and he just didn't want to see me. I don't know, but it was almost like he didn't know me. And my dad's dad. I asked my mom the other day, I said, Where did this start? Like, where did the lost men get off? And um I said, What was my grandpa's dad like? Because this says it visits the third and fourth generation. He said, Oh man, he was a hard religious man. And he was actually such a hard fundamental Christian man that he would lock, he goes, My mom said, That your great grandma, he would lock her in a room and make her pray for hours and hours and hours in the house. And uh he would punish her with the Bible and stuff, and then my grandpa, the one that introduced my dad to meth and all the stuff, and um one of my earliest memories of my grandpa was my grandpa actually pushing my grandma on her face. They were fighting, he had a girlfriend, and they were coming out of the house. And I remember my dad running at me, and I was probably five, six. I remember my dad running, yelling at my mom, cover his eyes, cover his eyes. And my grandpa is coming out of the house, pushing my grandma. She's leaving because she found out about his girlfriend, and he pushes her, and this little like five foot one lady goes flying and knocks out on the ground, like hits her head on the ground. And they literally, her sister came and dragged her into the car, and this whole thing, my grandpa beating my grandma. And I and so, like, I'm asking my mom, like, how did this start? Because it was normal for my dad to break dishes and fly off the handle, and him and my mom, like in the middle of the night, I'd wake up and he's dragging her through the hallway and just crazy stuff. Like um, so this domestic abuse, domestic violence, addiction, all the things like where did it start? And I uh she said, Well, your great-grandpa was this religious man who was controlling what happened when your grandpa was young was he was hunting and there was an accident. Your grandpa, your dad's dad, accidentally shot his brother in a hunting accident. And then he said that he shot him and killed him. He said, So he killed his younger brother whenever he was, I don't know, seven, eight, I don't know what age. He said, and your grandpa great-grandpa never forgave him. He held it over his head and he cut him off. He went cold on your grandpa. Because he went cold on your grandpa. Your grandpa turned to drugs and turned to other things, and then your grandpa did that to your dad. And then your dad began that process with you until I gave my life to Christ in uh you know 20 years ago. But it was I was the fourth generation. He will visit upon the third or fourth generation that broke it all. But it began, the curse began. This is what check this out the curse began with a religious man. That's wild, right? Like it didn't begin with like it wasn't just like here's what I want to say. In the Bible, in the old testament, there's sin, there's transgression, and there's iniquity. Sin is falling short. Romans 3 says we all fall short. This actually doesn't mean that you're all intentionally falling short. It means we fall short of God's design and God's standard. Everyone who's ever lived, we fall short of the design. We're born into a world that's been under the domain of darkness, right? So we fall into this. Transgression is actually uh rebellion, it's a breach of covenant and it's willful disobedience. It says that Jesus in Isaiah 53 was pierced for a transgression. Umiquity itself, it's a bentness, it's a perversion, it's a twisting, and it's a distortion. This is what you and I experience. Right. Uh, you can inherit a distorted worldview from your parents. You can inherit a distortion to the way you see authority, the way you treat women, the way that you manage your freedoms, the way that you communicate, the way that you fight, either fair or unfair, the way that you respond to difficulty, the way that you work, your work ethic, you can distort uh the way you see marriage, the way you see family, all that stuff. That actually is iniquity. So it can travel all the way through. So, like when you say, can sin be passed? Well, we're born into a world of sin. That's under the domain of darkness. Rebellion is something we choose, it's willful willful disobedience. But iniquity is something that's passed down generationally where you have to like you're in a household with a distortion, and you have to go to Jesus and let him heal you. It says the devil has blinded the minds of the unbelieving. So you have to let him open your eyes to see it, and when he sees it, then you can totally break it. So, yes, iniquity can be passed down. Yeah. Sin, we inherit sin because we're children of Adam. Right. It says Adam sinned, and through Adam sin entered the world. Right. So we've all sinned in the likeness of Adam, and that we are offspring, and um we're born into this sinful nature.

SPEAKER_01 42:21

I like it. One thing that I saw at the end of that Exodus verse was where it says, of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation, the last part of that verse says, Of those who hate me. Yeah. Of those who hate me. So iniquity stops when Jesus comes in. So you could say, it could go to the fifth, the sixth, the seventh, the eighth. If you've created yourself a family line of people that hate Jesus, yes, I believe that curse can continue, continue, continue. The moment it stops is when Jesus comes into the picture.

SPEAKER_03 42:57

No matter where it's at.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Exactly. Right? What we're talking about, too, just going on the iniquity thing as opposed to the sin, like I had that down too, was like we we inherit sin patterns. That's what you're saying. So some of us think like, oh, I'm an behavior pattern. Well, sin patterns could be behavior, it could be, I have here, it could be beliefs, trauma, addictions, idolatry, violence, the way that we think, right? Things like that.

SPEAKER_03 43:21

So for those out there that go, like, you know, and the reason why I wanted to hit on this is because I feel like a lot of those are broken dist broken choices and decisions under the canopy of sin.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

Exactly. So I felt like I needed to talk about this and bring this up because not just men, but people in general, I think, can be trapped or stuck in this cycle and tend to go like finger point. Yeah, it's always somebody else's fault, it's always something else's fault. It's never take responsibility for myself. Like we have free will, except we don't want to take responsibility for the free will because actually getting stuck out of a bad habit. Habit or a sin pattern or behavior pattern, that's actually difficult to do. Like that takes some that takes some strength. You could say that relying on Jesus, that's kind of what we say, is like, just get Jesus. It's like, well, actually seeking Jesus, leaning on him, trusting in him, all of those adjectives in which we focus and keep our eyes on Jesus, that takes a lot of strength to do that. So getting out of a habitual pattern, yes, Christ brings freedom. But sometimes I was just telling the guys this the other night at Bible study. It's like sometimes we think that we're just gonna wake up the next morning and be like, ah, I got no more lust problems, man. I'm free. I just asked Jesus to take them away, man. Or like, oh man, I asked for that alcohol thing. And can Jesus come in and all of a sudden the next morning, you not have a flavor for those things? Yes. In my experience with the people that I've walked in, Jesus, we partner with with the Holy Spirit. So a lot of people, again, speaking to this idea, is like we like to stay stuck in this cycle and we blame it on our forefathers or our parents and things of that nature. For example, like, you know, to what we're talking about, the the thing that came up when I was doing a little research is like Abraham lies, right? Isaac ends up lying, Jacob is the deceiver, right? You know, but and maybe because scripture doesn't go into large detail about this, but you don't see him going like, oh well, my father did it. You know, so I did it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 45:28

And just to take that, because there's something good there, David. It says that he was born, Psalm 51. I didn't have this pulled up, but Psalm 51, David says, I was born in iniquity. He was born, in my opinion, as an illegitimate child. And even the latest David movie actually put that out. The one on Amazon right now is that he actually had different birth origin than his brothers, which is crazy. And so um it's not a fringe belief. It's a what we've done is we've taken that we're like, oh, then the there's like reformed theology. Sometimes they'll take that and they'll say, We're all born in sin, and therefore we're cursed from the womb. And that's how you get into this justification for a predestination argument that sends babies to hell. Um, but David, he um it says that he was born in inequity, so his dad must have had an affair, maybe a divorce, something, right? Then David does what he gets to his position, he lets his mind wander, he's out of position, and then he goes and has an affair. So it increases. And so David goes and he not only has an affair, he gets into a cover-up problem, kills one of his guys, ends up having a child that dies because of his sin. Yeah, remember his first child died with Bathsheba, and then Solomon became a second child. What happened to Solomon? Yeah, where did he go? It got worse, it increased. So David's sin multiplied, or his iniquity, that worldview, because David had multiple wives and concubines. Solomon took that. So, what I'm trying to say is what you permit in moderation, your children will inherit in excess. So, like Solomon's downfall was he mass imported hundreds and hundreds of foreign wives.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:29

And ultimately, it absolutely changed who he was, and the kingdom was ripped out of part of his family's hand. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:36

Yeah, that's good. So and I so it increased.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

You see what I'm saying? From his dad to David to his son, like it was the iniquity was past.

SPEAKER_04 47:44

Right.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

And so I felt like sorry, I want to be accurate. The distortion of that was inherited where they it just the it multiplied.

SPEAKER_01 47:55

Right, right. And I I felt like I this came to mind when we're talking to you. I do believe there is a reality. So, like, kind of summing where I'm going with this is generational curses. We think that those are things that we can't get away from, so therefore we lean on them like crutches, make excuses. There is this idea where yes, we all have our free will, but I do don't, I don't want to negate the fact that there are spiritual ties that can be paid that can be passed down that need to be handled in the sense of like there are spiritual things to where it's like, you know what, we need to rebuke this spirit of poverty, we need to deal with this spirit of whatever, right? I don't want to use that as a crutch, but I don't want to just throw that out as that not being something that needs to be done. So talking to a person who's like, how do I take the steps of walking in my new identity? So that was the word that I had was like, your parents were this, this, this. You think you're this, this, and this. It was passed on to the third, fourth generation. For those who hate me, as soon as you believe in Jesus, the new identity piece I think is the important like foundation to start building on. But the idea is that there are some spiritual things that it's like, hey, we need to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

Well, and I and I don't think, and we could probably do another episode on spiritual warfare at some point and get into all that. But I want to say this too, because we're we're probably gonna close here in a second. But um Colossians 2 13, it says, When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh flesh, he made us alive together with him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, our rebellions, having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us, and he has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross, when he disarmed the rulers, the authorities, and he made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Jesus. So, like when you talk spiritual warfare, what we're saying today, understand this what we're saying, is we're taking ownership over our choices and our involvement in the legal system of God, where we say, I am actually free. Yes, not because of what I've done, but because of what he has done. I am actually adopted, not because I went and applied in an adoption agency to go, hopefully, I can become a family member of heaven. Yeah, we are adopted because he chose us. Yes, he chose us to be adopted. He said, I want you. Yeah, Jesus came to get us. So my point is like this is spiritual warfare.

SPEAKER_00 50:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

So this is not diminishing spiritual warfare at all. This is saying, like, the beginning, the origin of spiritual warfare is in your authority and the decree that God has now spoken over you that you're a son.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

That's good.

SPEAKER_03 50:39

Do you just that's the truth? Like, so you this is where I think we counsel men all the time that are like trapped in cycles. It can become easy to become a victim of your own process. I don't know a single man who's really, really sought for God with his whole heart that did not find freedom.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 51:03

With your whole heart. Like if you've gone after him every day, you've gone after your word, you've gone after prayer, you've cut out all the all the devices and the things that that trip you up and all the stumbling blocks. You've said, I'm done, and you repent and you completely change your mind. I don't know a single man who hasn't found freedom. You know, so like are they out there? Sure. And you say, Oh Brad, you don't know me. My life is so hard. Like, I've got this thing and that thing, and my my struggle. Like, you don't know my life. Yeah, my life was hard. You know, I came to Christ and my dad was literally in prison for 10 years. I was living on couches and like hanging out with the wolves. Shane was with me when we were visiting my mom when she's homeless. Like we uh like life is hard. Life is tough. Life is tough, 100%. And then you can pull out you can pull, like, access this spiritual authority because it's yours. Yeah, it's an inheritance.

SPEAKER_01 51:59

This is who you are, and our confidence isn't in our own strength, right? So that's what we're saying. It's like the the the strength piece is Jesus inland in the form of knowing what our real identity is. So I had that down to like some of the things that we can base our foundation securely on our identity, is like you've been adopted into a new family. So this is Romans 8:15, you receive the spirit of adoptions by whom we cry, Abba Father. You have been forgiven. This is another identity piece. So, like, where the devil comes in to like kind of create these cycles is like, did his grace really cover this for the hundredth time?

SPEAKER_03 52:33

But that's not truth, that's a distortion.

SPEAKER_01 52:35

Exactly. So this is why we want to build a foundation of truth, which is your identity. That's exactly what I'm saying. You've been forgiven. There is now, Romans has a ton of good stuff on identity, by the way. Uh, if you're wanting to go on a deep dive, Romans 8:1. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. You are justified, which means the definition of justified means you've been declared legally righteous through Jesus Christ. So the devil's gonna come in and again and go like, hey man, I don't think you're as righteous as you think you are. You messed up, you're a failure, you're this or that. You you you messed up with alcohol this one time, so you might as well spiral out and go back to who you were before because this you're not doing this right, this isn't working out for you. No, I'm justified. Romans 3 23, if you guys want to read that. You have been sealed with the Holy Spirit. So this was the most powerful one for me. So, like, you are your new identity is so emphatically real that God gave you a spirit as a seal. So, like the spirit of the living God has been given to you and is inside you.

SPEAKER_03 53:40

So if you have a seal, like they close an envelope, you close it, that's the seal.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

That's the judge going bap, new identity, boom. Given the spirit of the living God, and so like when the devil comes and goes, like, you're not a son, you go, like, hold on, I have the spirit of God in me. And then the the thing is too, is like you're no longer enslaved to sin. I know there's a lot of other pieces, but that was the last piece. Is like sometimes again when we get stuck or we we spiral out or we're again pointing fingers, we feel like we're enslaved, we can't get out of it. No. In Romans, it says, we know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin, for one who has died has been set free from sin. And then Jesus says in John 8, Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever, the son remains forever. So if the sun sets you free, you will be free indeed.

SPEAKER_03 54:41

Goodness. Um before you close, can I can I pray and minister to guys out here real quick? Okay, so um I'm just gonna pray this. If you've never had this happen on a podcast before, um, maybe this will be the first and last, maybe it won't, maybe this is something we do because we don't want this just to be entertainment, we want it to be an encounter. So, like I'm gonna just tell you like you're not a product of your environment. You were born of God. When you give your life to Jesus, you inherit a new origin story, you inherit new authority, you are adopted, just like Shane said. Um, and I want to say this like you're not a product of your parents, even like you are influenced, and your life was sent in a direction by your family for sure. Like we all are born into a story. But what you have to know today is you can change. Like you can right now make a decision to repent because the kingdom of God is at hand. And today, you can stop the excuses, you can stop the blame shifting, you can stop trying to you, it's not in your works. Like, I'm not telling you to muscle up life change. I'm telling you to lay your life down today and make a change because things can stop with you. Like it can all stop with you. Christ can sever the curse. All the stuff we said, like it can be done through him, through the legal things. So you can actually change. I want to see families actually improve. It's not going to improve through better mental health and a better physique, always, or better money, or whatever. Like, that's not always gonna solve the problem. Without Christ as the foundation, you're dead and you're in a darkened understanding. And so, right now, I just in the name of Jesus, right now, I ask, Lord, that you would strengthen men and that you would give us a revelation of who we are in Christ and how, Lord, that when you said it is finished, it is finished. Like it's completely done. And so, Lord, I ask that you would set men free from the patterns of their parents and from the iniquity of their fathers, Lord. I pray that men would discover their true identity in Christ and that they would withdraw on the legal declaration of heaven that I have adopted you as sons, and he who has been set free is free indeed. In Jesus' name, amen.

SPEAKER_02 57:04

Amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_03 57:06

That's it. Love you guys. I just I just want to see men change.

SPEAKER_01 57:10

That's good. Yeah. So good. Well, you could about with all this stuff, it's like a continual conversation. That's why we keep reiterating like health is something that you don't just arrive, something that's it's something you have to cultivate, something you have to pursue, something you have to constantly work on. So just these conversations can be continual. So I'm sure we'll get into this more and more. That was a great conversation. Um, it really was. A lot of good, a lot of good content, honestly, stuff together. Don't you wish John Will could have been a part of this? I wish John Will could have been a part of this, man. You totally missed out. So we hope that you guys enjoyed it and and got something from it. And again, if there's anything that you have specifics about in your that you're going on in your life, about anything that we talked about on this podcast or any other previous one, um, shoot us a DM, put it in the comments, anything like that. We'd love to get to your questions and and talk about them on here in the episodes to come. But uh, we hope you enjoyed and have a great rest of your week.