Running Out Of Breath - A Marathon Video Game Podcast

Episode 4: Fallin31 Joins the Show! Cryo Archive Runs and "Grenade Meta" Discussions (Update 1.0.6.2)

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old_townsouth and truebatman4444 are back! In this episode they bring in newfound friend Fallin31 from the Marathon community! Fallin31 introduces himself and talks about how he discovered Marathon. old_townsouth and the boys discuss how their Cryo Archive matches went and hot topics surrounding the community! 

SPEAKER_05

Hello and welcome to episode four of Running Out of Breath, a Marathon Podcast. I am your host, Old Town South, and the Brick Squad is back, baby. This is the real episode four, because I realized in episode three I say welcome to episode four. That's the fake episode four. This is the real episode four, baby. Man, we have a special guest for you guys tonight. We have searched the marathon community and the the the good people we have met. This has come to fruition. We have on episode four our buddy Fallen31, who we have met through our matches in in Marathon, and it is great to have him on here. And of course, you guys already know. You guys already know what I'm about to say. We we of course we got the bat on here. We wasn't gonna do this thing without him. We are excited to be here at this point right now. Uh if I don't say this right now, I will probably forget to say this towards the end. We uh just thank you all for all the views we have. I think uh we'll we have one episode that's almost up to 30 views. Uh we we have a consistent rate of like 20-something views now for almost every episode. I'm gonna have to give some shout outs to some countries. We have two listeners in Japan. We have like 14 listeners in in uh in Europe, we got some people in in Virginia. All the Virginia people don't know who you are, don't know how you found us, but thank you so much for listening to our podcast and hope y'all all enjoy our content. Again, we got episode four here with you guys. Uh this one we don't have um the update, we don't have as much to talk about this one, but we have some personal good stories to uh to share with you guys on how our games have been going. But let's get to the nitty-gritty of this thing. Let's talk to our guest that we have on this episode, which is Fallen 31. Let's go back, let's clap it up for Fallen 31. Let's clap it up. We got him on here. Fallen man, tell it good to have you. It's good to have you with us. Tell every tell all of our listeners um whatever you feel comfortable about sharing a little bit about yourself, tell us a little bit about your your gaming history, what type of games you like to play. You can go any direction with that, and then finish it off with just how you discovered Marathon and uh just your progress lately, your vibe on the game. Man, you just just I we we we we free ball on we free ball on this thing. Take it away, buddy.

SPEAKER_00

Alright, alright. Uh well, like you said, Fallen31 on PSN and almost everything else. Uh fallen underscore GT on Instagram. You want a little look at the personal life? Yes, um, as far as games, honestly, play everything. Um, if it's a souls like, I've played it and probably beat it. Um big on shooters. Sweet. Uh 3.5 KD in Call of Duty, 4.something KD in Battlefield. Jeesh!

SPEAKER_05

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00

A couple thousand hours in Destiny 2, which kind of hurts to say. Um more than more than a few flawless PvP matches in uh Destiny, so bit of a big PvP person.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, okay, okay. Man, you would I I would almost you would almost have to be because like you don't I've seen you play, you you don't teach that. That's experience, that's experience with other games. Like I'm not surprised that you have a PvP background.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I um I try to change it up in Maritime just to kind of mix things up because I don't know if it's like this for you guys, but sometimes I get bored. Like um I play a lot of battlefield with my brother. Um and uh I'm I'm big with the sniper rifle. I've had like a 50 kill match with just sniping.

SPEAKER_03

Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And after a while it gets a little boring. So I try to switch it up. Marathon, you'll see me running and gunning more often than not. I will snipe if need be, if we need that like game changer, uh we I I I'll I'll lean forward and pull out a sniper rifle. Like, alright, well, time to go back to what I'm used to. But um, yeah, big, big PvP player. Uh but I mean I branch out, like I said, um been heavy in the Space Marine too lately. That's kind of been down uh taking over my life when I'm not on marathon. Um I'd like to get back into I'd like to get back into Apex. I took a bit of probably like a four or five month break just other things. But um to answer your question and not get off too much on a tangent, uh founding.

SPEAKER_05

We love tangents around here.

SPEAKER_00

But I found the marathon because of destiny. Um I wasn't necessarily interested in playing it at first because I've never been a big extraction shooter. Um I dabbled with it with what was it? Um MonoWarfer 2 or 3 with the DMZ extract. Yes! I dabbled with it there.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, that's the one I like too. Yes, okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00

But the the thing, ironically, the thing that got me to say, oh yeah, I'm gonna try Marathon is um it was one of the buidocs, and they were talking about how if you kill a runner, you could come back like 10 minutes later, and you could see that their body decaying, and you could see like, oh, a fight happened here, but it wasn't recent. And that attention to detail was like kind of got me. I was like, Oh, I've never seen that before. Yo, I didn't know I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02

No, I've never went back to my Jesus, I did know that.

SPEAKER_00

You can tell how recent a fight is because the longer the fight has been over, if you haven't been revived, the runner shell starts to break down.

SPEAKER_05

No shot.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I'm just like, if you're willing to pay that much attention to detail, and then you're gonna give me destiny gunplay, I'm gonna eat good on this.

SPEAKER_05

I like how you said attention to detail. I feel like this game challenges that skill. You know, in Apex, I mean Apex, there's a lot of pay attention to detail too, but you know, you can you can rack up pretty good shields in Apex. I don't feel like you you may have a better insight of this. When I play I played a lot of Apex Legends back in season four, and I do not recall the TTK being as fast in that game as it is in this game. If somebody gets an angle on you in Marathon, you're if you got a per even if you got a per you've got more time to react if you've got a purple shield. But buddy, you you if you got a green or below and somebody gets angle on you, you're cooked. You're kind of just cooked. Uh there's a I mean the a lot of guns will just gun you down so quickly in this game. And that was we shared in one of our previous episodes. That's one of the things that caught it. That's what caught me by surprise on this game. This game's a lot more tactical than I than I than I kind of thought it would be because me and Bat also have a Destiny background. We also put thousands of hours in Destiny 1 and Destiny 2. We did the raids, we did Trials of Osiris, we did PvP, we did the Nightfalls, we we we feel you on that. But the the so this was a little bit of a uh of a surprise to us, but yeah, the the attention to details, seeing if there's dead UESC on the ground, seeing if windows are broken, listening, oh god, dude, like like audio is huge in this game. This game almost duh demands you wear a headset. And that's kind of rough on me because I have I've shared this a little bit about myself. I kind of have trouble with my ears. Um kind of I kind of have like an undiagnosed condition that I even I don't know what it is yet. But what it is is like if I it too much loud exposure and it I I get ear pain. So like I have to monitor like how how long I wear headsets and I have to really monitor the volume on my headset so I don't get ear pain. So but yeah, yeah, enough about that. Yeah, this this game demands audio and in learning the audio cues. Oh crap, those are so somebody just disrupted some birds. Hey, that sounded like shots, or hey, I hear foot. I think hey, everybody be quiet. I think I just heard footsteps. Like, you know, like what you said, attention to detail. I could probably just sit here and run my mouth for like 20 minutes just about that alone. Bat, talk to everybody. What what's what's some of your thoughts on some of the things that's been said?

unknown

Go ahead, phone.

SPEAKER_00

It's funny that you say that because I actually recently discovered this, and this is playing in the 3K lobby. Every runner has a distinct footstep.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Yes, they do.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't know this either.

SPEAKER_00

Every runner has a distinct footstep. So now I'm to the point where I can tell you what runner is on the building's rooftop that we're in before we see them.

SPEAKER_03

What?

SPEAKER_00

I can tell you if it's a recon, I can tell you if it's a vandal, I can tell you if it's a destroyer. Okay, okay. Cool, cool, cool. Bat, you got any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_02

The destroyer I think is probably the most noticeable one just because he's just so loud. His footsteps are just so heavy. Um but actually um just in the like gameplay where you know I died and I was watching you play on your screen. I was listening to your footsteps as Vandal. They're so quiet.

SPEAKER_05

Interesting. Okay. I'm learning so much from him. Like, like this is this is good. This this is already gonna be a good a good interview and a good guess. I had just thought of something. I uh Fallen, this is gonna be directed to you. I cannot wait to ask you this. And I think going forward, I'm going to ask every person, every new person that comes on our show, I'm gonna ask them this question. So, you know, I've definitely not given you any time to prepare for this one, so whatever you say I know will be a pure answer. Fallen, when you started hearing about this game, did any outside influence all the things that all the the rants and the raves about people being mad at the art scandal, people being mad at Bungie, saying this game is gonna fail? Did you hear any of that outside noise? Did you not hear any of that outside noise? And if you did hear it, did that did that uh clearly it didn't affect you from getting the game because here you are, but like I it just seems like uh about this time of year ago, everybody was so down on this game. If they were saying it wasn't even gonna make it to launch, it's gonna be dead on arrival. Uh did did do you have anything to say about any of that? Like, did did you have an experience of that? Because I I thought I have thought this game has looked cool from the beginning. I thought this game would look cool even when it was in like the pre-alpha when everybody was saying it looks hot garbage. Like, did you let did you hear about any of that and and did it did it affect you?

SPEAKER_00

I did hear a lot of that, and just a personal note, I am an artist. Uh so I didn't like the art scandal, but at the same time they rectified it, so I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna hold a grudge over something that got fixed. That's just kinda stupid. But on top of that, I've never been a numbers person. I I don't care about ratings, I don't care about Steam player counts, I could care less. Um, if something looks cool, I'm willing to give it a shot. I mean I mean, if you think about I don't know how you guys were growing up, but growing up, we didn't have Steam charts, we didn't have player accounts, we didn't have what we had like a game informer to tell us what a rating was. Oh my god. I mean you know how many do you know how many greatest of all time games that we probably would have missed out on if we cared about Steam charts and player counts? Preach. Oh yeah, preach. I I I I don't I don't care. I care less about that. If there were if we logged into Marathon and there were 10 players on, if I'm having fun, I don't care. Preach.

SPEAKER_02

Preach. That's pretty much exactly what I said in whichever episode we discussed that it.

SPEAKER_05

You you you Fallen, you have already answered, it's like you're you're in my mind right now. You already answered my next question. I was gonna ask you. I was I literally had it wrote down on the side here to ask Fallen. Do does player numbers, does Steam charts, does that matter to you? Does that affect whether if you buy a game, invest in a game, you you've already answered it. And I could not agree with you more. Uh I I it it's kind of strange to me that um this is not shade anybody when I say it's it's just strange to me that we make this a little bit of a phenomenon. Like, I don't know. Like, I I I I think I'm just back to the old simple basics, like, yo, if you're interested in a game, who cares if there's a hundred thousand players playing that game? Or like Fallen said, who cares if there's ten people playing it? If you're interested in a game, go play the game. I love how he brought up because that because we and him on the on the side has you know, we we've discussed age and we're around the same age. So he mentioned game informers. Like, yo, like back in the day, like we didn't know what steam charts were, we didn't know what player base number was. If if we wanted to go play Far Cry three, we just went and bought Far Cry three. If we wanted to go, if we if when we were kids, if we wanted to play Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, Jurassic Park, Final Fantasy, uh Need for Speed Underground to the wh to the window! We just played we just went and played it, baby! We just went and played it. So, yeah, yeah, uh great, great points there, man. W takes W takes.

SPEAKER_02

That's awesome, man. Go ahead, please. Um so something that I've been thinking about with the number base. Um when the wipe hits at the end of this uh battle pass season, do you think that we're gonna see an increase in numbers or do you think it's gonna stay about the same? I would love like research or just I'm just curious what you guys stance on it.

SPEAKER_05

Me just free free balling without putting a lot of thought or research into it. Um I hope the player I I think when the wipe comes and we get the I think you'll actually see a bump. I think people, including myself, are gonna want to see what does this wipe really mean? Are we really losing everything? I I think there'll be some curious eyes that will come back to see it. And I think there could be some curious players that will be like, okay, the wipe is here, the the the rich ain't rich no more. Let's let's come let's come back in and let's give it a try. That's kind of my initial thoughts. Following any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so essentially, to my knowledge, the wipe is gonna hit everything except for our codecs. Um personally, I've I like the idea of it, and I'll when I explain my next point, it'll make sense why I like it. I'm not I'm not crazy. Um if you see like a lot of like Twitch streamers who play Marathon, who have their dedicated squads, who first ones in cryo when cryo came out, uh first ones to get gold weapons and things like that. Around now, around now, you'll see a lot of them die off because there's nothing else for them to do. They've done all their capstones, they've maxed out everything, they've done all their con all their contracts, they've done cryo more than once. They've done plenty of times. So there's nothing for them to do. When you have a reset, not only do we get new maps, new modifications to our shells, it's gonna bring back something to do. We're gonna get new quests, we're gonna get new uh contracts and things like that. And I think we may have players out there who want to try marathon, but they're like, okay, I'm seeing all these people who are streaming or things like that who are like like us, level 80s, level 90s, level 100 pluses, and they're like, Do I really want to try to get gear and do contracts with people that are so far ahead of me? Or would I rather wait till we're all on an even play, even playing field? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like you and I have discussed you can succeed in marathon if you suck at shooting. If you have good comms, that's all you need. It goes such a long way. Being able to make good callouts will make or break a gunfight, whether you're good at a gunfight or not. I agree. Yeah, yeah. I've had I've had matches where realistically I should have been dead to rights, but even a downed teammate is making some of the best callouts, and next thing you know it, I've got a green shield and I've downed a team of purple shields just because of call-outs. Yeah, yeah. So I think people are gonna give it a shot. I think there's still gonna be that barrier of people who think it's just too hard, because yes, I mean, marathon is unforgiving as unforgiving can be, but it's designed to be like that. I think once people get to a point where you realize, like, okay, this gold weapon I got, this is not mine. I am renting this. I think you'll I think it'll sink in for people. Because I mean, we could go get on right now, run cryo for the next 12 hours and completely empty out our vault. Marathon is designed in a way where we could have a full vault in probably 20 hours.

SPEAKER_05

He's not wrong, just the way it is.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I mean I when you and I think that was the biggest thing for me coming, like I said, I didn't do much extraction shooters, and I'm coming from like I said, three plus KD Call of Duty, four plus KD battlefield. Okay, once you get to the point where you accept, I'm not gonna win every match, I'm going to die. I'm going to die a lot. And you start, it's like working out. When you fall in love with the process, you start to enjoy the game more.

SPEAKER_05

Hey, now we're getting some. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I I like that, man. The fall in love. It's not the destination, it's it's the journey. Yeah, it's the journey.

SPEAKER_00

Where all right, now I'm level 150 with no contracts and every gun that I could want. And I'm just gonna let it sit in my wall because I'm afraid to use it.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I I'm with him. And he kind of like, you know, I kind of one of the the things that mostly everything Bungie's done, I I've been kind of on board with. You know, me and you, Bat, we in the past three episodes, we've been pretty positive about almost everything. We've clapped up Bungie for a lot of the updates and everything. One of the few things that I talked about in episode three that I was a little skeptical of was this. Was this pending reset. And I think the thing, and and he brought a lot of ri I I I I really needed that. I needed to hear the other side because that was one of the things I personally was a little worried about. Like, hey, you know, and it wasn't for me, it actually is not even really the gear, it's not the guns. I think for me, the thing that that I was a little worried about is man, I cannot find this thoroughweave lens. I finally found one. I finally got this really cool upgrade. Uh, and then you know, it that but that all is eventually gonna go away. But you know, Bat, me and you followed that up with a lot of good ideas that Bungie can do. Cause I feel like I I I was probably not there's there's no way I'm the only one that felt. I know there's gotta be others that felt that way. Uh and there's a lot on the table for them to do to to help with that. Maybe, you know, we talked about the the cool new trade system or the barter system and everything, but yeah, he and and I'm I'm personally enjoying like not getting on the game and sweating it out. Uh I'm not in a position right now where I could get on the game every single day and sweat it out for eight, you know, six to eight hours, like like falling kind of mention, you know, some of these big time streamers do. Um because you kind of get yeah, burnout. Like he like he like he said, like they they've done everything. They've they've ran cryo however many times. They've got their vault stacked at. Like, I he put it into better words, what I've kind of always felt deep down. I've just fallen in love with the process. I've fallen in love with like I get to get on like a few times throughout the week for maybe like 30 minutes and maybe play a match or two, but Friday, Fridays, and Saturdays are the days that I can get on and play and and and and just have fun. Like, yeah, he he he really worded it any well. Bad, any thoughts?

SPEAKER_02

Um I had some and then and they escaped me.

SPEAKER_05

Well, hey, I'll they're gone. That's fine. Well, if they hey, yeah, if it maybe it'll it'll I I got some more points and uh maybe it'll it'll it'll come back. Boys, let's kind of um let's kind of transition into this. This is not on our notes either that we have this is free balling off. So for all the listeners, let me tell y'all, we last night, bat uh all three of us streamed, I streamed, true Batman streamed, and Fallen streamed. So we was all live at the same time and we did some cryo runs last night, and uh it had been a hot minute since me and Bat has been in there. So expectations were low, and I and I just mean and I don't mean that as in our skill, I just mean that as like we just didn't, me and Bat didn't have the experience, and I just was kind of trying I didn't want to have high expectations and be let down, but buddy, I am proud to sit here and say they went so much better than expected. I mean, we were winning team fights, we were being competitive in our team fights. Uh we got out with some pretty solid loot, we didn't do a vault, uh, but but we still we got out with some good loot. We we put a team in the dirt, and and and bat was able to get uh was able to get himself a gold uh dervish. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. He was able to get him a uh a dervish, the the SMG, and you know, it we just it went pleasantly really well. But I think us three, I think we just got good chemistry. Nobody's trying to do too much. I think we all we just we have a plan and we have a vision and we commit to it. Some when we're aggressive, we all are aggressive together, even if we don't win. If we're being passive, we honestly we're we're all passive. We kind of lay back, we we take of opportunity. I think as Fallon said earlier, good comms, good goals in mind. Hey, we're going in here, this is what we want to do, and we're just on the same page, and I think those three simple things helped us be successful in in cryo. Bad, any thoughts on on cryo last night?

SPEAKER_02

Um yeah, I I want to reiterate that it was well past uh my expectations. When I tell you that I I thought it was gonna be months before I ever even had a chance to ex-fill. Like, yeah, I'd go in and maybe like lose some good stuff and maybe get a kill or two, but I I always thought I was gonna die.

SPEAKER_05

You did good, man! You did you did fine.

SPEAKER_02

We did. We did very well. Um the first two games that we played in there, um I honest I still take full responsibility. Um I went off and did my own thing trying to flank teams and uh that that kind of cost us, I think. And uh games following that, I learned my lesson with the team. We we called out as much as we could and um we were able to do the things that we needed to do to help things go our way. Um but yeah, we we got out pretty pretty well last night. I think I had 20,000, 23,000 um in my loot pool when we ex-filled.

SPEAKER_05

That's awesome, buddy. That's awesome. Like I did not at any point feel like I don't know about you, but at no point last night did I feel like, oh crap, we're we're just we're just not as good as this team. We are just clearly outclassed. Like, I I don't know about you, I felt like I belonged. I felt like I belonged in there. Like I like I really I felt good about it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Um after we played Cryo, um, I just want to put it we went and did some like perimeter and dire marsh. When I tell you that I felt powerful going into those other maps, I can't express it enough because like we went in and we did the hardest map in the game. We didn't do the hardest stuff in that map, but it it changed the game for me. Like, I've been so excited to play again. Yeah, no, it was a really, really good night for us.

SPEAKER_05

We were, and when we did that perimeter match, we were the apex prayers. We were the team to beat. Like, we were the team's people were were like, we don't they didn't want to run into us. We were hot. We were we were we were geared and we were we were hot. Uh fall in any any any thoughts on on last night's uh on last night's cryo runs or any of our runs that we did.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, um so before I get into my point, I will say this. I I have done cryo, I have done compiler, I have beaten compiler, got the skin, everything. I have run into a lot of people on this game who see me running around with the cryo archive skin, and they're like, oh, you beat cryo, yeah. Can can can you help me get into cryo? Things like that. I will say this about the two of you. The best, one of the best teams I've gone in there with. Um W. W's. Let's go, bad, Ws. Go ahead, bad. Um if I made a call out or tried to explain something, you guys were on it. Um we engaged teams great. Uh it was nice to be able to explain things to the two of you, and you guys soaked it up like a sponge. Like I explained how I explained clearance levels and uh X-Fills once and our first match we X-filts. So I mean, it's wild to me. I like I said, I feel when the three of us play together, I feel like we can win any gunfight, whether we're geared or not, just because of how well we play off of each other. But I didn't expect us to do as well as we did in Cryo. I mean, one match that we were in there, we had three teamwigs. That's correct. Like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_05

Yo, we were red hot last night. I don't know what we we had the Mountain Dew baby last night in the Doritos. We were we really were we were red hot last night.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and that just goes to show one, how good the two of you are, but two, how well we play off each other's skill set. For example, our third match in there before we decided to leave and we're fighting that team. I see you and Bat pushing the door where they're kind of camping the door, so I'm like, Alright. I trust the two of them enough to handle that. I'm gonna stay back here and give them overwatch with a sniper.

SPEAKER_03

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

Mm-hmm. And I just felt like I could actually do that. Whereas with other teams, I'm just like, okay, I have to hold your hand from start to finish and hope that we make it out.

SPEAKER_02

Like sometimes, like in that type of situation, I would I would feel like a third person, like if it was a random, they'd be in the back and they're just not helping. Like I felt your presence there, which was a breath of fresh air.

SPEAKER_00

Let me let me put it to you this way. I've gone into cryo once where and the guy who I was who I went in there with, I I I never spawned anymore, and it's probably for the best. But he called out he called out a team fight, and as a group, we agreed to push. We push, and I turn around, and both of them are on the second floor. Nowhere, they're like 200 yards away from me. Can't do that. Yeah, and I'm just down there. I'm like, were we not pushing? Because I'm looking at a gold shield of two purples, and I am here with my bully SMG, hoping for the best.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. I I I I will sit here and say right here, right now, I never have been, and I never will be one of the more skilled players in an FPS. I I always consider myself an underdog. I I don't have the best aim. I'm getting older, don't have the best reflexes, I don't always have the best positioning, I don't always have the best game sense and just see the moment for what it is. But I've got two things on my side. I've got experience with other games, but number two is to me the most important one. I will be the best teammate you've ever had. I will what I will bring to the table, I will bring a positive attitude, I will bring clear communication, and I will, and I I my I don't have no ego. If somebody wants to take charge and what we hey guys, we're let's do this, yes sir, I will I will do it. Like I will be the best teammate for somebody. If we're pushing, I will push with you. If we're falling back, I will fall back. If we're whole it you know what, I mean, I will I I will try my best to be the best teammate I can possibly be.

SPEAKER_02

Um I just wanted to say thank you, Thallen, for for giving us that praise there. Um that that goes a long way. Because I think him and I kind of feel like we're you know, we're not the greatest out there, but but hearing that is is very nice.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, we pr we appreciate that very we really do, we appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, look at look at some of our our outpost friends, right? Like I I was actually I I'm not sure if you were there, Bet, but I was talking to Tom about this, and I told him, you know, when I play with randoms, and it's not I'm not trying to make myself sound like a bad teammate, but it's this probably isn't the best thing to say. And you can see it in some of the videos I've uploaded on YouTube. Um with random people, sometimes if they die, I will not I will let them die if I feel like I can handle this myself.

unknown

Right.

SPEAKER_00

I will I will let them go down and then I will nip the situation in the butt and then go pick them up. And I think about our outpost run where I think that went down and I'm just like no, I don't I don't care if I lose my stuff, I'm getting him up because he's that valuable as a teammate. I don't care if I get sniped, I'm getting onto this roof to get him up.

SPEAKER_05

Because he'd be dying all the time to get you.

SPEAKER_01

No, no, I appreciate it because that that does make me feel like I'm contributing.

SPEAKER_00

You're not sucking. When it comes to the when it comes to the two of you, if one of y'all go down, I'm just like, I will make this other team work over time to get this kill. I will drop everything and use every skill that I have and get y'all up, whether it kills me or not. And that's kind of one of the things I didn't like about our first outpost run, and I said it um going into our our third one, which is probably our best one. Is I don't count that first one as a win. I I don't. Are you talking about our first cryo run?

SPEAKER_03

Cryo.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, our first cryo run. Yeah, I don't count that as a win. Unless the three of us make it out together. It's not a win to me. We went in as a team, we gotta leave as a team. Yeah, agreed. Agreed.

SPEAKER_02

That was totally on me. I went the wrong way.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

A little context for all the listeners. Our first cryo run, two of us got out. One of us unfortunately did not. Um it it's kind of hard to explain, especially the from my point of view, how that went down, but we ended up, we we got ahead of ourselves a little bit, and Bat Bat got got left got left behind and he and he got lost, but it would have easily been me too, because I don't know the map structure of cryo archive very well. And uh we we had hit the we had hit the um Oh, it's going over my head right now, the extraction. Yeah, yes, thank you. Almost at evac or some uh the extraction and we was trying to in cryo it operates differently. You have to like hit a terminal and then it shows you where to go. And we were running that way, and we just flat out, we we we went ahead and we lost that, and unfortunately he he didn't make it out with us on the first run.

SPEAKER_02

Um I went in kind of knowing that the map is mirrored. So in my head, I was like, even though I'm I'm heading in the same direction, there's gotta be a way that I can cross over and catch them. I just never found it. Realizing it now, I went past it like right at the beginning of my run to to meet you guys. So in the future I think I know how I could cross it, but now we just try to stay as a team and go together.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I can't even get upset about that because to anyone listening, what happened was the area around Xville was in a lockdown essentially, so you couldn't go through the doors to get to the other side to X-Fill, and I played Vandal exclusively. I double jumped across the gap to get to the other side. I popped X-fil and then immediately got sworn by purple shield bots, to which that jumped over and immediately had my back. We immediately started just putting bots down. Um, I don't have a cooldown on my double jump. So I just once we finished, I'm thinking my brain went to okay, X Phil's on the other side and in one of the bat corners of the map. So I just jumped right back across, not thinking like, okay, bat used a grapple, a grappling hook to get across, it's on cooldown. So the moment I jumped across, I'm like, alright, I don't know how many teams are still up. We've killed maybe one or two. If another team takes our exfil, we have to figure out what to do after that. Because on cryo, when you pop that ex-fill, it just shows up in a random spot on the map. Right. And if another team gets there first, you're out of luck. Just literally too bad. My head was my head was get there before another team does. Um in hindsight, once we got there, I could have I should have gone back to try to help that get across. I think we had like 50 seconds. Um but uh that one just kind of fell apart for us at the end.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it did. And yo, it's it's really high, it's high intensity in there too. And and I'll be honest, even I didn't really know. I like I I feel awful that because uh it it almost the those aside of me that almost did not want to X fill because I I knew you was you was behind. I I didn't unfortunately have the knowledge to know how to guide you on where to go, so I I hate that went down the way it did.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, another thing to like just note is like it is an extraction shooter game. There is the the risk that you're not gonna make it out. So I wasn't mad. I'm like, you guys made it out. I was like, okay. Um the mentality of you know us going in as a team and exfiling as a team is great. I love it. That particular instance it was just too many factors that were going not our way. Right. It happened. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was like. But like, so the X fill was like super up in the right hand corner, and I was mirrored all the way on the left. I was so deep, I don't think I ever would have made it back to even get like a door to cross over. So I was like, there's gotta be a door here.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I gave enough credit to Fallen. He is, you know, one of the main reasons why we got out because, you know, he does, he did have we in U Bat did not really have cryo exp. We technically did. We played the very first we played like two matches the very first night it came out, but we didn't win neither of our heads-up gunfight, so we really didn't get to experience it very much. But you know, he was able to, you know, guide us through and he had that knowledge, and uh that really was a was another big key to our success and how we did in there, so we definitely, definitely appreciate your help on that.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um, the couple days before we we went into that, I was watching like guide videos on YouTube basically just to get an idea of like what the major key points were. Um but hearing a video and watching it is not the same as going into a game with somebody that actually has the knowledge. So it was it was night and day. It really was, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And I do want to kind of throw in there like and I know you had kind of mentioned this earlier, Poland, that like we haven't like begged you to like take us into cryo just because we saw that you had the skin. Um I I don't feel that we like pressure you into anything. So I I hope that that comes across because I don't I don't ever want to put you in that position. I'm here to have fun and play the game.

SPEAKER_00

So with with the two with the two of you with as much as we've played together and this how well we all mesh, I I think we were due to make a cryo run. Not only because of that, just because like I said, I feel like the way we gel when we all put when the three of us play together. We we're not I have that confidence, like it's a little cocky, but I feel like we could load up cryo right now, and I will and I will feel like we're gonna extract, we're gonna wipe a couple teams, and we're gonna make it out. And there's not gonna be a doubt in our mind whether we make it or not.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. Same way. We just I do too. Yeah, we've just we've we've established. That report in the grand scheme of things. We we three have not played along with each other. We've played several marathon matches, but we actually don't have that chemistry from like other games. So yeah, we just man, we all just mesh really well, and then uh we we just make the magic happen in the in the matches. So I I cannot wait for what's coming down the pipe for for us three. But we are going to transition it into some news, some some marathon news, um, and kind of give uh we'll we'll kind of go off the notes a little bit with this one. So Alright guys, so apparently it is still a hot topic in the marathon community wherever you get your uh marathon news. Apparently grenade spamming is is still a hot topic, and people people have pretty strong opinions on grenade spamming. I'm gonna start this off with a pretty with a pretty spicy take. And uh I don't even I don't know if y'all are gonna agree with me on this, and this might be burning some of the listener ears. It it it I have I apologize in advance to our listeners for this. So I'm gonna make uh I'm gonna make a confession here. Uh I kind I kind of like grenade spamming. Um and it's been received too. Like I have felt it in cryo and in outpost on the other side, like when when they're dishing the pain on me. And um of course, obviously it it it does, it stinks when you're on the receiving end of it, but I actually am having fun bringing in like two frags, two chems, two flashettes, and two heat grenades. And when we get in a fight and I see somebody in a choke, especially if I know there's more than one, buddy, it just jiggles my bells. Just throwing like six grenades in that hallway, dude, and in that choke, and seeing and seeing that uh that tick damage. You know, you know, if you if you hit somebody with a grenade, you'll you'll see like the the tick damage going off. Like you know you're actively hurting somebody, and uh that's my hot take. I actually kind of um at at this time enjoy grenade spamming, however, however, I think a a a patch, I think something is coming down the pipe because Joe Ziggler expi explicitly addressed the explosive clutter on Twitter, stating that the team is investigating how grenade bounce and stick specifically are looked at. Um so you know, and then there's like right here a little note says, is is damage is oh actually that's talking about something else. No, no, no. Is the damage nerf enough or does Bungie need to change the physics of grenades working tight hallways? I don't know, man. Um I'm gonna be honest with you. I I don't really fully know what's coming down the pipe. I I've heard some people say, well, maybe if you maybe if you throw some grenades, maybe it should generate some heat. I think that's a bad idea. Or I've heard some people say, well, maybe you should put a cap on just how many grenades um that you can bring. That's probably the most reasonable one. The reason I personally because I think it's fair to say something's coming. Um uh Bungie uh Ziegler and Bungie has been very responsive to community feedback and um and I think something is is 100% coming. I just don't know exactly what is coming. I don't I'm gonna say right now, I don't think I'm real crazy about the um the generated heat for per grenade throw. Vandal mains and destroyer mains are gonna suffer from that. They'll they will f they would feel that more than anything because in their kit they generate heat. You know, you know, destroyer's got the dash that he can do, Vandal has the double jump, and I just I don't know, I don't know um how I feel about that, uh, but I'm okay with something coming because like, you know, it it's pr it Okay, I got the angel and the demon. The angel side of me is kind of saying like like, hey, somebody should probably not be able to bring 50 or 20 grenades in a match and just be able to just constantly throw them at you where unless you have a bubble shield or you back up, you really can't do much about that. But then the D the devil side of me is like, it's fun, it's freedom, let it go, keep contributing. I don't know. That's y'all, y'all, y'all help me out with this. Bat, how do you feel about grenade spam and your experience at this moment? What do you think what do you think's coming down the pipe from Ziegler?

SPEAKER_02

Um, I think a lot of it is Um coming down to like positioning and things. If you can read an area that you're in and you can find a good position. Honestly, grenade spamming isn't something that's worried about I like grenade spamming grenades. I'm gonna raise my hand. I finally I finally have a gold backpack. And one of these days I I swear, I swear on my on something that I'm gonna take in that gold backpack and every single flushette grenade I can find. I'm gonna take in a gun, two things of ammo, a health kit, a shield kit, and I'm gonna fill that backpack. Everything with grenades.

SPEAKER_05

You could make an argument. It's freedom, it's it's expression. This is my build that I that I wanna go with. It's crazy, it's insane, but and and it's and it is at my own risk. If somebody with a scar in the corner gets angle on me, I'm probably going down, especially in solos. I'm probably dying, you know. Um I don't know. It's but Fallin, what what what's what's your take on what we've said and what's your take on on grenade spam?

SPEAKER_00

Um uh my opinion on grenade grenade spam might be a hot save. Um, we like that. I don't care. I don't care. Yes!

SPEAKER_03

Um that's a good stance.

SPEAKER_00

My man! Well, you two have both played with me. My playstyle is if I'm not flanking you or above you somewhere, I am in your face. So at that point, one, if you get a grenade on me when I'm popping you from the top of a building, you're Tom Brady. You deserve that kill. Right. But on the other hand, if you get a grenade off while I'm rushing you, that's doing damage to you too. So you're making my job a lot easier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I it's like a double-edged sword. I mean use it if you want to, but realize at some point you're gonna start running into people that are gonna be extremely aggressive and it's not gonna always work.

SPEAKER_05

Two of the four maps, I don't even feel you if you bring if you brought a whole inventory of grenades, two of the four maps, you you ain't gonna I don't think that in an open area uh on Dire Marsh, I'm just not even sure if you threw ten grenades at somebody, how effective would that even be? They would just hide, they would just back up and hide, or they'd reposition. And Willie grenade spamming only, in my opinion, has effect in Outpost and Cryo Archive. Um I I'm gonna be honest, I know it's a hot take, and seems like y'all are kind of on the same page as me. I'm just at this time, and we're almost at the point where we're entering the upper echelon of the game. We're all almost level 80. We know we're gonna we're kind of getting those lobbies where we're we're going against other level 80s, other level 90s, maybe even level 100s, and we had three cryo runs yesterday. We had like two outpost runs. I at this time in my experience, which isn't a lot compared to some people, I'm just not seeing grenade spamming isn't like I I guess I'm a part of the problem. I like contributing to it. Like I have fun with it. Even if it even if it's headache, like even if they're dishing it out on me. I'm just like, hey, they're just dishing back to me what I'm dishing to them. Like I'm throwing, I'm spamming grenades at them, but they're spamming Kim grenades at me. I don't know, it'll be interesting. I really hope they don't. This will be some to put a big fat bow tie on grenade spamming, this will be something to keep an eye on. I I hope they don't run with the heat idea because that's gonna affect vandals and destroyers. Um we'll see. Uh I I I think what they're gonna do, I think they'll just put a cap. Or they'll they're like this this note I have talks about maybe they're taking a look at how they bounce, but that doesn't matter to Flaschettes. That doesn't matter to EMPs, that doesn't matter to chem grenades. That only m that that doesn't even matter to heat grenades. That just applies to frags, right?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I think they might be wanting to introduce to where like the ones that don't bounce now will bounce. Which would require more skill.

SPEAKER_05

Which would require a little more skill. Right, right, right, right. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02

So that might be the angle that they're taking.

SPEAKER_05

And if they go with that angle, that's okay. Because we can still, if we bring ten grenades, we still have that choice, we have that freedom. We can throw ten grenades at somebody in cryo archive, but if they change how it bounces, you know, it's it's the the we'll have to put maybe a little more thought into it. I'd be okay with that. Something's coming. Too many, too many people are speaking on it, so something's coming. So we shall see. Okay, update 0. Update 1.0.6.2, the WSTR shotgun identity crisis, the buff slash nerf combo, and a surprise twist, the WSTR combat shotgun actually had its base damage increased from 75 to 85, but its critical multiplier was shot was slashed from 1.15 down to 1.0.5. And we've got a few more notes here. It says the slug model, the MIPS slug converter got a massive critical buff by one point uh times 1.9, but lost almost half of its aim assist. And then the last of what thing is um we got a little note here that says is Bungie trying to turn the WSTR into a kill shot weapon rather than a spam shot weapon? And how does it feel in your hands after the patch? I I can't say much. I know the WSTR has also been a hot topic. When we recorded episode two, I was close to the opinion of the WSTR was dead almost because it it was shooting ghost bullets, it was super inconsistent and everything. It seems that was an overnerf and they recognized that immediately and they've kind of brought it back up a little bit. I wish I could give a better opinion. I haven't used it. Since that last initial nerf, I just have not used one. Um, and of course now it's gotten a little bit of a buff. Hopefully, the WSTR is in a little bit better place. I'm also not seeing it from not many other I don't think I don't think we ran into it like one time in our runs last night, and even in a few runs I did today. So clearly people are not have not really picked the WSTR back up again. But do you bat, do you do you have any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Um I'm deleting every single one that hits my inventory. Okay. Um taking the credits. The only way that I've found to be able to play with it now is if I'm in the back and I let my team like start destroying shields first. Yes, okay. That is the only way you can play with that gun. Or at least for me it is. Okay, okay. It's not something that you rush around a corner on somebody with a purple shield anymore and you kill 'em.

SPEAKER_05

It's almost like it's kind of now the weapon. Again, need to test it, but it's like, hey, I have cracked their sh their purple shield with my bully SMG. I put a few shots to them. I know they're low. Especially this applies to Fallen. I'm I'm Vandal. I'm gonna slide in and I'm gonna try to get the cleanup kill with my shotgun. It feels like maybe that's in the place of it. More like you don't like it's a cleanup kill gun now. Not you, you you lead, you don't you don't lead with it. You you clean up with it. What do you think? What do you think, Fallen, about that?

SPEAKER_00

I agree that it is kind of a cleanup gun now, but also in the right hands or in the with the right shell, I think it's as a shotgun should be. It's a high risk, high reward weapon. Can you get in close if you barrel stuff somebody with it, you are putting them down. That's great. But you gotta do a little bit of you gotta do a little before that. You gotta pepper somebody a little bit, get in, put them down. If you're willing to play that high risk, high reward gamble, it it will pay you in dividends. But it's not gonna be a crutch anymore.

SPEAKER_04

I like that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I like that. Well, well said, it's not gonna be like it's not gonna be how like when I cleared cryo for the first time one of the guys who's with me did this, and this is it's scummy, but you won't see those people. Hey, I'm gonna sit in this vent with with with uh waist for shotgun and wait for somebody to walk across and then myself and take them out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um I didn't even like consider the shell aspect that yes, that will that will change things a lot. I don't I don't play a lot of the like rusher characters. I was playing destroyer for a while, but I've kind of gotten a recon updated buff with him. But the other thing is like I haven't been able to try the slug mode or mod, so I don't know how that affects it. But in my hands, as it is, with my characters that I play, I can't play with it.

SPEAKER_05

Right. Um, and for me, we was kinda he's kinda I I want to piggyback off just a little bit off something Fallen said, I it's one thing if you're being pursued and you're being chased and you had to like kind of back out of a fight because you took a lot of damage and hey, there's a vent. I'm gonna go in that vent and I'm gonna, you know, while I'm healing and I'm I'm re-upping my shields, you know, I'm gonna point shotgun forward if they decide to take that risk and push me in this vent. I I think that's different. But yo, okay, hold on. If you just spawn in a map, if you if you do a cryo run and you're just trotting along and and there's you're not hearing no gunfights, you have not been in a fight, and you go in a vent and there's somebody in there. Come on, man. That reminds me of solos, dude. That's how solos be sometimes, and it drives me crazy how ratty uh a solo play can can can be sometimes. But yeah, I like everything he said. Um the the and to me that's kind of on the vibe of like how shotguns are like in Apex Legends and kind of other games, like you gotta pepper them a little bit, you gotta you gotta put a little damage in them with your primary, and then you you swap to your shotgun and you try to move in, close that distance, get that cleanup kill. I I I I'm down with that. I and it if that is how that the if that's how the WSTR is gonna play now, and I also like what he said too, is anybody, you know, in in the right hands, anybody, you know, so that player's gonna make it work. But uh I like I agree with everything he said, and if that is what that that gun turns into, put a bow tie on it, I'm here for it. So I'm here for it. Um so segueing, we by the way, we have been we have been recording for look at us over an hour now. I had a feeling, I had a feeling we would we taught by the way I've been watching the time, we talked for like 40 minutes without hitting like anything on our notes. We freeballed for 40 minutes straight without any notes to go off of, so that's that's awesome. Um, there's a few things, uh, a few more things we'll touch up on uh and then we'll kind of start coming, we'll we'll start trying to wrap things up. The we have a little note in here that talks about the um how they added the update where you now get a free cryo freo crop free cryo archive sponsored kit per week from the Arbory. I'm gonna clap it up. W's um W's I I have um I have it's like the carry system. I I just have nothing bad to say about this. Give everybody an an incentive and an opportunity to go once a week, even if that's all you got time for or that's all you got the credits for. You know, if you if you satisfy if you satisfy the other requirements, you can now utilize that free cryo archive uh kit. And man, you never know. We X-field! We did. Uh we we I mean I the our very first run, I was using the free cryo kit. We we we beat that we won our heads up against other teams. So um, yeah, it you won't be if you're using that, yeah, you're not gonna be geared up as as most as like the the purple shielded teams bringing their you know whatever whatever they have. But at least it gives you an opportunity to be like, hey, I just need to get into cryo archive, and I just need to learn how it plays. I just need to learn muscle memory, map knowledge, and just the the the overall vibe. I love this. I hope they can I hope this this is to stay. I hope this is not going away because this is a W. This is a W change. So y'all got any y'all y'all y'all got any quick comments on the the cryo archive sponsor kits?

SPEAKER_00

Um uh I think it's a great great idea. Um I can't say a whole lot about it because my my only issue is the weapons are RNG with it. And in our first run, I mean the first room we went in, I picked up a bully in an M7 and dropped the star that they gave us. So I can't say a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the shield, the heels, and the implants, perfect.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. You know, for a free cry. Some something they give you on the house. That you had something you wanted to say.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, um, I was gonna say the the free kit um was actually one of the reasons that I was like, okay, yeah, you know what? Let's go on a trio. Let's let's let's do it. Um but you know going into that into a game like that um on a harder map with a free kid because you don't know what you're gonna do. But it's also um because I've been a free kid enthusiast since day one. So it's like I can always I can always enhance the things that I came in with and I can I can leave with something better.

SPEAKER_05

Yes. Yes, you absolutely can and at no cost to you would have X-filled, I would have. Yes, you would have, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you had a pretty good I'm not trying to put poor salt on the wood, but like it let's say you would have. You had like a a pretty good amount of things, like it would have been a big bonus for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, um, I think I want to definitely talk about this, uh, where they have introduced where where the marathon team is currently uh running the Dire Marsh sponsored kit where they have reduced the number of teams sponsored. In Dire Marsh by one, it went from six. It went to from six to five. I even heard they're t they're t they're playing around with like if you're in the pre-lobby and you're trying to queue up it, like it can detect if you're actively using a mic and it will try to put you with other players that's using a mic. Hey, that that sounds like a W. That that sounds good. But if you're not saying anything, it it's more likely the the system will try to put you will put you with somebody. And it is obviously this isn't none of this is a guarantee, but it'll it'll put you with other two people that's not talking. Um so that that they're I I I I'm digging the tests they're doing. I I'm digging that. I I'm gonna advocate for it. You you two might uh I bad I know you don't follow you might feel differently about this. I personally am digging and I notice it the one less team on Dire Marsh. Like if you win if you win that first heads up against an enemy team, there's only there's no rooks in in in free kit mode. There's only three other teams out there somewhere. Most likely somebody's gonna knock each other off if you live long enough, so that's just two other teams out there. It feels better, it feels like we can just breathe a little bit more. Lord knows it these contracts are always making us go to don't even get me started on quarantine, dude. These contracts are always making us go to quarantine and they're making us run here and they're it just feels better. I personally would be really interested in in just completely take one team away from Dire Marsh, send it to the main lobby where you can bring a kit, you know, where you can come in, kit it up, but there's only five teams. What is how has this been for you? How has that experience been, and what's your opinions on only five teams instead of six teams?

SPEAKER_00

Um well, like you said, you can definitely feel it. Um personally, the number of teams was never my issue with Dire Marsh. So I could go either way. Okay. My issue with Dire Marsh, which on the other hand has kind of been solved by taking a team out. But my issue with Dire Marsh has always been the spawn. Because I have been on a match of Dire Marsh where I have almost watched another team spawn in in front of me as I spawn in. Jesus. Like I have been on a match of Dire Marsh where I have taken one step out of the spawn and I am already in a gunfight. And I feel like in an extraction shooter, that should never happen.

SPEAKER_05

Is this I'm gonna ask you a follow-up question. Is this in trips or is this solos or was this duos when they were testing?

SPEAKER_00

Holy shit. I have been in there where I have I was with a friend. We spawned in on complex, like the complex for our fences. So five steps, we were in a gunfight. Holy cow. We hadn't even been on the map for 20 seconds.

SPEAKER_05

It should that I'm with you. That should not be a thing.

SPEAKER_00

I I my biggest issue with dire marsh is the spawn spawn locations and how close and proximity you can spawn. And like I said, I didn't necessarily care about if there were five or six teams, but retroactively taking a team out, I feel like kind of fixed that issue. Um, you run into it in free kits still, but that's only because when you load into a into free kits, everybody is rushing fire research, complex, and quarantine, because those are the three places where arms lockers fly.

SPEAKER_05

Makes total sense. Yeah. And they're and there's not as and you're not as worried about losing your gear. Like you're you're a little more like, hey, whatever h let's ball, whatever happens, happens.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. From I don't want to say every time. I say about I say 50% of the time. Whatever whatever teams get to those arms lockers first are probably the last teams on the map.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I wouldn't agree.

SPEAKER_00

I would agree too. Yeah. Especially especially when you get hit with a free kit like what's it, Traxis, and you get the hardline PR with no attachments, no scope, and you couldn't hit three feet in front of you with it. I mean so I mean that makes it I wish for free kits on Dire Marsh they would have done something where uh the vault thrower, the bully, the overruns, or the LMG. Like the fully automatic weapons were always the weapons in rotation and never the precision rifles. Because I mean you're giving somebody a precision rifle with no barrel, no mag, no scope, it's an iron sight that's barely any good. Um it's rough. It's yeah, those m it's that that week in person. Oh my god. I mean, bioresearch was like a war in a third world country. I mean, every lobby, every team collapsed on bioresearch and tried to get those three arms lockers. Oh my god. Yeah. Crap, man.

SPEAKER_02

One of the things that I was doing back when I was hitting the free kit like super hard. Um when there was a day that there was a free kit that I liked, I would fill my ball with them as many as I could. Um I don't know how many people are like one of the things that I love about regular. I am so high because every corner is impossible. Just that one thing for me, I don't feel that anxiety pressure nearly as much. As soon as I get into a gunfight, yeah. But like initially just going into an area knowing that there's potentially not one that spawned right next to me is a lot nicer. In my opinion.

SPEAKER_05

Good takes for good takes from both of you guys. Um I I you know, y'all know my opinion. I would like to see it implemented over. Y'all both had really good uh y'all brought good things good ideas and everything to the table. Uh we shall see. We shall see what but what direction Bungie decides to go with this. I I know, man, so many contracts make you go to Dyer Marsh. So many contracts make you do something in bioresearch and then run to quarantine. Run to run to algae ponds, then go to quarantine. All roads. Y'all know what I'm about to say. All roads lead to quarantine for some weird reason, and you better believe there's always gonna be somebody there. There's always gonna be somebody there. Um bat, I had a few games today. I met up, I met some had some good teammates, and I was you know randomly matched with someone. We won team fights, we died. We died twice. Hey bat, you wanna take a while of gifts? You wanna take a while of gifts?

SPEAKER_02

I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_05

Where we had to go.

SPEAKER_02

It's so nuts. It's nuts! Just it's just a death field. And I don't think it's skill-based. It's just positioning. And that's what makes me so angry about that area in particular.

SPEAKER_05

If you're in quarantine and you're and a lot of times the issue is we're trying to do something. We're we're trying to look for a resource, because it says you gotta go to quarantine to find this resource, or or God knows, you gotta do a contract, and it's making you do something in quarantine or in the area of quarantine, and man, it just feels like if a team takes that high, which they do in our experience, nine times out of ten, or uh really ten times out of ten, if a team takes that high ground, we just don't come out on the right side of it. I I know at this point, I'm just in my own head. I'm just in my own head about quarantine. I'm pro I know I I know I'm making it a big at this point. It just turned into a funny soapbox for me, but I it's probably not, it's probably really not as big of a deal as I'm making it, but god dog, for some weird reason, even today, no strings attached, two separate games, four, uh, no, excuse me. Yeah, yeah, four totally different teammates per each match uh two two for each match. We had to go to quarantine for something. And I'm like, oh god, please, no. And we died every time. And we had previous team wipes too. Like we beat the first we won the first heads up. There wasn't a lot of time on the clock. Like always, you think it's clear, but no, there's either somebody there or you get pushed. I don't get it, man. But for all the listeners, the quarantine for Old Town South and True Batman, the drama continues. We still suck at quarantine. We still suck at dire bars, and we still continue to die at quarantine. Please leave, please give us a rest in peace in the comment section. Oh man. Jeez, dude, I said a lot right there. Uh man, let's uh let's kind of gear towards the end with this. Um, thank you all for our listeners. I mean, we're in probably in episode five, we'll give some specific shout-outs to where people are listening from. But I mentioned a few at the very beginning of this episode. This podcast has already done more than I ever thought it would. And I know, and but that just it means a lot to us. We have so much fun seeing like where people are listening to us, and it's just it's awesome, man. Please do us a f huge favor. Um if you like what we do, please give us a rating on Spotify and Apple Podcast. If uh if you think if you don't like what we're doing, get give us a one start if you don't like the content. Um we would encourage uh if you guys have anything you would like to talk about, please uh write it in the comment section, whatever podcast source you listen to. I check Spotify pretty often for new comments, so uh please do that. Uh you can whisper us on on our platforms on Twitch if you have some things that some ideas or some just some topics you would like for us to uh you would like for us to address and and and talk about. So you already know what I'm about to do. Bat, where can't f flex your stuff? Where can the people, where can the listeners find you?

SPEAKER_02

Well, I only got one platform. Um but I feel like um I'm growing on it a little bit here recently, um, and that is through Twitch. Uh, username is true Batman4444. I don't stream on there like super often. But when I do, it's typically with people, so I'm not in that awkward phase that I get in where I don't talk. So if you're around and you feel like you wanna see me get mad or maybe possibly have some luck thrown my way and I do well, then bye and check me out.

SPEAKER_05

Love it. Please to all of our listeners and everything, please show true Batman4444 some love, and please go over to his Twitch and and give him a follow. If you catch him live, please, please, please tell him you are from the podcast. As to our next guest, Fallen, it was awesome having you on, man. Thank you for responding to the bat signal and just literally just dropping in like you did. And great job, by the way. You answered questions good, like you provided great feedback. Like, good, good, let's clap it up for Fallen. Let's clap it up. W's, W's, uh, you done great, man. You've done absolutely great. Please, Fallen, flex your platforms. Where can the where can the listeners find you?

SPEAKER_00

Um, yeah, uh Twitch and YouTube at Fallen31. Um Twitch is usually a variety of games. Um, at the moment, YouTube uh is a lot of our marathon matches some marathon clips. And uh yeah, if you want to look at the uh the man behind the gamer tag, uh Instagramfallen underscore GT.

SPEAKER_05

Sounds like a winner. Please, all the listeners, go follow Fallen on Twitch. Go follow him on YouTube, sub him up. You can like he stated, you can see some of our previous matches with me and Batman in those matches. You can see how we play and see how those went for us. Please, everybody also, if you're interested, did you say Instagram is where they can also follow you?

SPEAKER_00

Yes, sir, fallen underscore GT.

SPEAKER_05

Fallen underscore GT. Please go give him a follow. He is an awesome dude, great gamer, and I know he would definitely appreciate the likes and the follows. I am your host, Old Underscore Town South. You can also find me on Twitch, Old Underscore Town South. It would warm my heart. Please come over. Um if uh if you want to shoot a follow or if you want to say you're that you you've you discovered my channel or any of our channels through the podcast, we would eat that up and we would love that. If you are uh feel free to whisper me on Twitch if you ever have some topics that you would like for us to talk about. If you are ever interested being on the show, whisper me on Twitch. Tell me a little bit about yourself, tell me a little bit about why uh why you would be a good fit to uh be a guest on the show. This has been running out of breath, the one, the only, the place to get your podcast listening on for marathon content from the bottom of mine, bat and fallen's heart. Thank you all for giving us your ear and giving us your listen. We appreciate you all. Stay classy out there, and we will catch you soon on episode five. See you all.