Fashion as Resistance: The Fabric of Pride

The San Diego Pride Podcast is a long-form conversation series exploring the stories, creativity, resistance, and collective joy that shape LGBTQIA+ life in San Diego and beyond. 

Episode 1 reflects this mission through a dynamic conversation inspired by Fabric of Pride, San Diego Pride’s first-ever fashion-centered fundraiser celebrating queer style, self-expression, and cultural storytelling. The episode explores the powerful role fashion has played throughout LGBTQIA+ history, not only as a form of personal expression and celebration, but also as a tool for survival, visibility, protection, resistance, and connection.

From coded handkerchief systems and underground queer signaling to drag, club culture, protest fashion, ballroom aesthetics, and contemporary queer style, the episode examines the ways LGBTQIA+ communities have long communicated with one another nonverbally through clothing, style, and presentation. Fashion becomes more than aesthetics; it becomes language, identity, armor, art, and rebellion.

Grounded in conversation and historical context provided in partnership with Lambda Archives of San Diego, the episode connects present-day queer fashion and culture to the generations of LGBTQIA+ people who used style to find one another, challenge societal norms, carve out safer spaces, and express identities that the broader culture often attempted to erase. The discussion highlights how fashion has allowed queer people to both blend in for safety and stand out in acts of radical authenticity.

At the same time, the episode celebrates the joy, creativity, and artistry that continue to define queer cultural expression today. Through reflections on Fabric of Pride, the podcast uplifts the designers, performers, artists, activists, and community members who continue to push culture forward while honoring the histories woven into LGBTQIA+ self-expression.

The San Diego Pride Podcast serves as a platform for dialogue bridging past and present while amplifying the voices shaping the future of LGBTQIA+ communities. Through storytelling rooted in history, community care, creativity, and celebration, the podcast reflects the enduring spirit of Pride in San Diego: resilient, evolving, joyful, and unapologetically visible.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Well, hello, and welcome to the San Diego Pride podcast, where our stories meet the moment. We're exploring the richness of the LGBTQ community in this podcast. We're talking culture, we're talking advocacy, we're talking fashion, we're talking fun, and we're talking tea. All of these things will be explored in this podcast. And I am your host, Jocelyn Hatfield. My pronouns are she, her, and I am lucky enough to be the director of marketing communications for San Diego Pride. And I would like to kick it over to my co-host.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Hi. My name is Joe Farron. My pronouns are he, him, and his. I am a former staffer of San Diego Pride. I am the current board president of the Lambda Archives of San Diego. I'm really happy that you guys let me come and play. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

We love a full circle moment. And who do we have with us here in this fabulosity in this chair? Might it be our guest?

SPEAKER_00 1:05

See, here's the thing. I know that we could like come up with many ways to introduce uh a person who truly needs no introduction when it comes to weird community in San Diego. So I'm just gonna let them uh introduce themselves because like it'll it'll be and and there and that's the introduction.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

And there it is, if if the cackle is not enough, hello. I am Amber St. James, icon legend statement star. I am the bearded bitch who does it all. Um I am Stenigo's favorite African-bearded queen. Um, but aside from that, I also work at Stengo Pride. I am our community programs coordinator, um, looking to coordinate the community as one does. Yeah, as one does after hours. Um, no, but I am just truly, truly, truly excited to be able to not only marry the world of my drag and what we do at Pride, but really just doing so many things that are truly just living off the mission of, you know, trying to create space, trying to pay community, trying to pay love. So let's dive on it.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

And um yes. Okay, today we are talking fashion is the resistance. Fresh off the heels of our Fabric of Pride fundraiser, which was by all accounts a smash. Can we all agree on that?

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely we can.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Yes, 100%, 100,000 percent for sure. Um, so Miss St. James was actually also the creative director for said event. So give it, give us the tea. Like what was this all about?

SPEAKER_01 2:32

I mean, so this is an event that we have been, well, we have been planning for like I want to say like about a year, maybe a year and a half, like in advance of the actual year that was the planning. Like the actual, like, let's get into execution and things like that. And I believe that the original idea came from our director of philanthropy and our office manager, uh, because they had gone to a fashion show and we're like, oh my god, wouldn't it be so cool if like we did one? And they were like, Well, who do we know that could figure out what that could like maybe look like for pride? They came to me and we're like, so Amber, you're like fashionable, you like do events and stuff, you're like a bad bitch. Um, help me do this, right? And so then we started to get together as a team. We started to figure out like, okay, what's the timeline? What do we want to do? All these things that right. Then we get to the final giant like day, and it was absolutely amazing. Like the amount of intention that we put into working with our community when it came to like hosting runway classes, because we recognized some people they had done this, and some people were fairly new and like needed that, you know, baby deer and headlights kind of moment to work through that before they got into the stage. Um, working with the designers and the immense, immense, immense amount of talent that there is in our community. Oh my goodness. Like, I mean, I know we're gonna get to it probably a little bit later, but my goodness. The the the designers and the the amount of heart that they poured into that stage that day. Oh my God, talk about impact. Talk about truly being the fabric of pride. Like it was sickening.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Absolutely. Joe, you were there, doing all the all the things, doing the most. Yes, doing the most.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

I was backstage, I was in the front. I it was um volunteering for pride is one of my favorite things to do, not just because I like that's how I celebrate is to volunteer, but it's also a cool way to see behind the scenes. Like you get to be there's more, you get a little bit more a part of it, and you get to see how the magic and everything just comes together. And I gotta tell you, that dressing area, the backstage was just like queer joy everywhere. Lots of smiles, lots of like, you know, people last minute sewing things together, people helping each other's makeup. Like it was really fun to see. Um and Amber, you mentioned one thing that you mentioned was that like, you know, the designers and they put together these collections that were really intentional, showed a lot of personality, uh culture, um, their own cultures, telling stories, some with a political message, which I know we're gonna talk about.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

Oh, we're gonna get there.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

We're talking about in a minute. But one thing I wanted to uh highlight is that you also worked with uh with models that were new to walking the runway. Can you talk a little bit about that? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

So one of the things that we had done when we were starting to well, because obviously like doing a fundraiser, there are you know fundraising aspects to it, there's event production aspects to it, and then there's like the formal programming, right? And so I really looked or I really took lead on or directed because I was the creative director, um, on the programmatic piece and like how we were bringing that home. And so when we started to reach out to designers and we started to reach out to models, it was like, well, we have a lot of models. Like honestly, we ended up with more models than we did designers, because a lot of our designers came in with their own models. So it's like, okay, well, how can we make this feel like this is a beneficial experience for them, right? And for a lot of them, I was like, well, I feel like, because I'm also seeing their applications, that a lot of them across the board were fairly new. Like they'd maybe started modeling within like five months, had maybe, maybe done one show. Um, and so I was like, well, as someone who engages on the runway, um, because uh aside from also being a drag superstar, um, I also am engaged in ballroom uh here in San Diego and uh up in LA. And so my category that I walk is runway. Um and so I was like, well, I should utilize my skills and like provide an opportunity for the community to feel like they can upskill, feel like they can feel confident when it comes time to be on that run, because the last thing I want is for them to get up there, not feel confident, it not look great, and then it just feels really awkward on the stage and like nobody likes that, right? Yeah. So I want to say for at least about a month and a half, I think I was hosting runway classes in our office. And anybody who's been to the Santa Cup Head office knows it is not a huge office. So we had to get very creative with how we were setting up the space. But we went through like our movements, we went through pacing, we went through posing, we went through attitude, we went through um a couple of like very logistical ways of like how to walk very masculine runway, very versus very feminine runway, right? Um, all of it backgrounded against my ballroom knowledge, right? So utilizing like European runway versus all American runway, right? Um, and different things like that while also weaving in historical context of like why we call things certain things, right? So again, like not only was it a community space, but it was also an educational community space connecting them to ballroom because we recognize that ballroom drag and fashion and all these things, like they're all interwoven, like they are all taking inspiration from one another. Um, but it was so amazing, like watching their progress. Like, I would see them go from the start of class being scared, not knowing anyone, to by the end, they had their own little conversations, their own little inside jokes and things, and they were pumping through those hallways. And what I love so much is that like it really translated into their everyday lives. Like a lot of them would tell me that like from going to this class, I now like feel more confident like in my everyday life. Like, oh, I took this other class, or oh, me and some of the other models, like, you know, we went out for lunch and stuff like that. So they were making friends, they were building community while they were getting prepared for this giant event. And so for me, like that was that was always the core is how can we make sure that we're constantly building community? Because community is at the core of everything that we do.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

I think that kind of segues really well into this concept of while this show, well, this fundraiser was pretty novel to community at this time, there is kind of a foundation in community for hosting fashion show fundraisers dating back to what the the early 90s, where the San Diego AIDS Foundation was hosting fundraisers just for like AIDS services and things at the center and for the community. So it's um it's very fresh, it's very florals for spring in a certain way. Um, but i i it's fresh for this generation, I think, but it's also really nice to know that it has a super strong foundation in community work that has come before us. Shout out Lambda Archives for giving us that context. We love that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Yes, yes. Um yes. So um we in talking a little bit with uh Nicole Verdez, who is the uh executive director at uh the Lambda Archives, we uh were combing through the collection um a little bit. Well, by we I mean uh they and the archivists uh Gabby, shout out to them. And uh one thing that we came up with when you're trying to look into other ways that uh our community, specifically in our region, we've used fashion is that uh there is uh our colleagues in in Tijuana have also used fashion shows to raise funds for HIV clinics, essential services. You know, this is Fabric of Pride is a part of a much larger tradition that is not just within San Diego, but also binationally. And you know culturally, fashion is like the key way that we express ourselves, right? I mean, like I remember coming out and like the first thing that I was like the most excited to do was to buy like the gayest t-shirt that I could and like wear it out and about, right? And um, you know, that's the pride the when you're in the like beginning pride stages of just first coming out, it's like rainbow everything or well, rainbow everything for me, you know, gay boy, depending on who you are. It may not be rainbow everything, it may be other things, but maybe plaid. Maybe plaid. Maybe plaid, maybe a little earth tone moment. Sensible. Yes, a carabiner, you know, a cutoff t-shirt, something like that. So it's it's really wonderful to see to it's it's really wonderful that um we have this history of using clothing to express ourselves. Um, especially when historically that's also been a way that we've been impressed, right? Um the idea that like Marsha P. Johnson had to like getting on the subway, going into the city, she was you know, wearing male clothing, getting off the subway, back like you know, into the city, she would be wearing women's clothing. Her true form. A lot about that.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Oh my goodness, do I know a lot about that. Like when I was uh initially coming out and trying to figure out like my gender identity and all kinds of other things. Like I remember in high school, I would leave my house and I'd be in like very male presenting clothing because you know I live with my mother. And you know, I'd I'd leave, but I'd pack my little femme clothing in my little backpack, I'd go find a bush somewhere, change, and then go to school, and then I'd come back, find that same bush, change, and then come back. Um and it's so funny because me and my mother were just talking about this not too long ago, and she was like, It's funny that you thought I didn't know because like for like a year straight, you wore one pair of pants.

unknown 11:36

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

I was like, Oh, you know, that's a really good point. I maybe should have changed up the pants that I was wearing. But I was like, I'm gonna wear them for like maybe 10 minutes, and then I'm gonna wear what I'm actually wearing.

unknown 11:47

Still clean.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

That's a problem. Well, that's really it's like, hello. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

Um there was uh a few years ago, there was this podcast where um one of the hosts came out officially as trans, and she was saying that the beauty and also something that's really complex about our community is that especially folks who present um femmes specifically, they are choosing authenticity over safety, right? Like they move through the world as a in defiance because they choose that authenticity over safety. And what is initially like for me externally, I would read that as confidence, it's armor, it's everything. Um, and like in many ways, a lot of that is also so policed by like our society's uh ideas of gender norms and all of those constructions. The Panopticon girls.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Yes. Well said. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

It's also a way that can we communicate to each other about who we are and and how we interact with each other. So I always thought that was really interesting as well.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

I mean, I think one of the things that I love so much about fashion is that like it also transcends language, right? Like whether you understand the cultural difference of someone's like garments or garb, right, um, we understand that it is a way for them to implant their lived experience into the world, to communicate this is this is this is how I'm going throughout this world, right? And you can see that in someone else, which I think is so beautiful when we talk about this idea of for like femme folks, that sometimes we are choosing our authenticity over our safety. And so when you see another femme person doing that, and it's like, oh good, I'm not alone. Like it truly is an armor. Like if you were choosing to do that and instead of choosing to engage with what society would have you believe is the safest way for you to exist, then maybe you do need that armor now because you are now unsafe, right? But you are still your most authentic self. And there was so much power and bravery in doing that. And honestly, I feel like so many of our designers really put themselves out there, like through their designs, through the stories that they were telling, the narratives that they were able to bring onto that stage. Like it oh my God, it truly was so beautifully interwoven in.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

Truly. Which leads us really, really beautifully into my next question. What was everyone's favorite moment of the show? And then of the night, because those those could be two entirely different things. But what was your favorite moment in the show?

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Oh, okay. I like how you phrase that of the moment and of the night, because that's like it's such a brunch. It's such a brunch question.

SPEAKER_02 14:21

100%. It's like there's an if you know, you know, element to the follow-on for sure.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Yeah. Um well, okay, so my favorite moment was um our special guest that came to uh Fabric of Pride was uh our beautiful Nicoti Simone, the season 13 winner of Drag Race. And uh came in, did like m amazing performances for us, but I think what I loved was the moment that she had with one of the audience members who was like a young, a young person.

SPEAKER_01 14:53

So fun fact, okay, that young person is actually uh that is a son to our executive director, Keith Lane. I thought that might be related, okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Which is like the best.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Like it was so beautiful to watch that happen. It was especially like in in afterwards when I had eventually checked the slack and had seen that like he'd also drawn like a photo for her and was like wanting it signed. It's like, oh, this is so beautiful. Also, talk about taking a moment. Like that child is well taught because truly took the moment and I lived.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Yeah. So like that was my favorite moment of the show.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

For me, I mean, that was also just a very whirlwind weekend. Um, I was fresh off of coming from a ball in LA. Um, so I had actually just gotten home at seven o'clock in the morning. Um, and then had to be at the venue at nine o'clock in the morning. So I really got I actually got no sleep. I maybe got like maybe 10 minutes of closing my eyes. Because the moment I got home, I had to like unpack from the ball. I had to repack for uh Fabric of Pride and what I was gonna wear and like actual regular people clothing and all kinds of stuff. Um so for me, like it there were so many different moments that had happened that it all just felt like a tornado, but a tornado of joy. But I would say for me, probably like actually, I think one of my favorite moments was um when Simone had first come backstage. Like she was right about to she was just about to go on for her number. And this is like the first time I had ever met her, and she's definitely one of the people that I've always like wanted to meet. But as a black queen, like she is very, very inspiring and definitely like what she did on Drag Race and the messages she was able to tell through her own fashion and stuff like that. Um and so getting to meet her, I was like, okay, like be calm, be chill, don't freak out, like this is just a normal person. This is a drag queen, just like you, girl. And she gets back there and it was she was so lovely. Like she was a Catelyn, we were like it was like she was just one of my good girlfriends from like out in the San Diego scene, and I loved that so much that she felt so just down to earth. Um, but a very good time girl, like she was vibing with, and it was just beautiful. And to like have that happen while also like having my drag daughter there, Blanca, a shout out to Lady Blanca, um like both of us getting into just kicking cut up with her was like absolutely amazing as a mother-daughter experience. Oh, I think my most favorite moment was the um the pep uh the peppy talk that I gave to all of our designers, our models, our uh volunteers and stuff like that. It was like right before the show had started. I got them all in like our big green room and gave this huge, you know, glorious speech, you know, very the the pinnacle of the movie. Um and it was just so beautiful to come off of that moment and be like, wow, like we really we really are about to do this. Like this thing that we've been planning on, this thing that we've been working towards, the thing that we've been stressed out about. Like it is finally about to hit the runway, and it's about to be fucking amazing. And I just like I I I want to stop thinking about it because I'm gonna start crying. Um I I spent a lot of time doing my makeup.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

I know, you look too good for that.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Okay, good, good thing, girl. But I will I will volley it over to you. What were your favorite moments?

SPEAKER_02 17:48

Ooh, okay. Well, obviously, I'm very set on my favorite moment of the event. It was definitely Betty Banks. Her line was just so impactful. It was such a moment, and you know, as the PR person for the organization, I had a little insight to what was gonna happen. Um and honestly, I was a little nervous because I didn't know exactly how far she was gonna take it. I didn't know um, you know, we it's very important for us as India Pride to uphold artistic integrity and we take that very seriously. So there was a lot of holding happening before um she had her kind of performance um art protest piece during her line. And it was all no worry, you know, the story was for nothing because it was beautiful, it was amazing, impactful. Um, it was you know speaking out against the immigration policies in the in the country right now, and and very, very true to her as an artist and also her lived experience, and it was just absolutely beautiful. And I like I get emotional just thinking about that because I was like, you date that girl. Like that was perfect, that was the perfect way to do that. Um very proud of her. And then I think for me like personally, just like of the night, I live a little dance moment, I love a little, you know, cutting up. And so towards the end of the night, we just were everyone was just really vibing, you know, just having a great time, dancing, celebrating, and it was very much that idea of like we did this, we didn't know if we were gonna be able to do this, but we actually did, and it was amazing. And categorically, I think our guests had an amazing time, and I think that was just so powerful and wonderful to receive and see and be a part of. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

It really was like because when I tell you a baby, there were so many meetings, there was so much stress, there was so much, oh my god, is it gonna happen? Is it gonna happen? Are we gonna be able to and then like to finally be on the other side of that and be like, oh my goodness, like there's the sigh of relief to be like we did it, and it was absolutely immaculate. It was so amazing. Like the joy that we were seeing on the stage, the joy that we were experiencing behind the stage, like the attendees, and like just the the just the full circle moment that we were being able to curate for our community. That also was still a fundraiser. Like, that's what I really love is that like we and it's not like oh my god, we did this this revolutionary thing by turning fundraisers into like but in a way it just really did feel a little revolutionary. Like I felt like we were trying to do more than just the boring, like, okay, I sit here and I put up my paddle and I give my $1,500 and then that's that, right? It was like, how can we expand the experience? How can we weave more of our community into this? How can we tell more of the story of what it is that we do as the fabric of the movement that is pride?

SPEAKER_00 20:34

And and how do you also invite donors and people who would attend the show and invite them on a journey, being like, hey, these are artists that maybe have never shown before, that have shown a couple of times, they've been working on this. Like we one thing I really appreciate about uh Pride, the organization is that, especially San Diego Pride, is that it really does do a great job of like looking to the community and recruiting from within. Um, you know, here are models that have like maybe never modeled before, but it's always something they've been able to do. You, Amber, created a like a safe incubator for them to show up in a way that if they had gone to try to do something more mainstream, they would have to put themselves in a box, they would have to shrink down, and this is a way to not only like use your knowledge and your talent, but to like really inspire and help people grow and invite donors and invite people who would just you know are just there to attend to show them like okay, this is possible. And yeah, like you know, it's not it's not Paris Fashion Week, but to these people it will feel that way and it'll be amazing. So it was you can tell like that was the energy that entire night was like that the audience knew that it was something special and the love that they showed every single person and every designer that was on that runway was really Beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Let's talk a little bit about the idea of this type of an event being an overt like expression of resistance to the policing of queer and trans bodies and how we present in the world. Amber, go.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Yeah. I mean, obviously, I mean, outside of just what the amazingness was that Betty specifically did as one of our designers, that was specifically speaking out on the immigration policies and ICE, right? Um, we also saw this in very subtle ways through our other designers as well, right? When it came to just the amount of work that they were putting into putting their own narratives as predominantly people of color that were telling stories about what their lived experience was and interweaving their stories to not be erased, right? Like part of that is part of how we are combating this policing, part of how we are defying in a in a in a world that is asking us to belittle ourselves, that's asking us to not shine as bright, right? To dim the light. And so I think one of the things that is so beautiful about this event is that we gave our designers so much autonomy with the real um prompt really just being like, okay, well, we want to use last year's theme, right? Unbreakable pride, unshakable, or uh unbreakable and unshakable, um, as like our key words to utilize as their prompt for how did they envision that on a runway, right? Like we were giving them a prompt that was asking them to do more, that was asking them to really dig deep inside and see how they could make us feel unbreakable and unshakable through fashion, right? Which I feel like is in very much that is the defiance. That is how we're pushing back against policing, is that we continue to be unshakable. We continue to be unbreakable, right? And so having fashions that embodies that was just such a beautiful way in which we were allowing our designers to do as they saw, right? Um and I feel like that I feel like there were ups and downs to that, yeah, as you spoke to as the HR person, right? Um, but I feel like that's that's some of the risks that you just have to take when you're when you are doing movement work, is you have to take the risk of I am going to give this artist full autonomy because I recognize that what they have to say should not be censored. What they have to provide on a runway should not be erased because who they are is so much more.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

Yeah. That's the point of good art, right? It is meant to be challenging. Um it's also how people build their own aesthetics and like not everything is for everybody. Um Pride is for everybody, but like various aspects of it can be for different people. I know that I personally, you know, prefer this aspect of uh Pride weekend over this aspect personally when I'm not working anything. And so to have um to have Betty have such a very political message, a very to a very timely and topical and important message, and uh and also like people need to hear this, and it's okay to make people feel uncomfortable as long as we are taking care, right? Um so what I thought was very uh beautiful and in its own way uh very political and revolutionary was the um the diversity of bodies and abilities of the people who were backstage. Like the diversity of folks like you. Yeah, I was backstage and I felt like I could be one of these models. And I felt that like there was no limit on who no restriction for the most part as to who could have been on that runway. And I thought that that was very beautiful and it was something that I clocked immediately and I like and for me that's really important, right? Because like to have designers who also uh designed for their own bodies, who designed for other people's bodies, who designed for abilities, people who needed um mobility devices and things, like to make sure like how do we do that is how do we accommodate them and also show that that like it's not just uh it's not just saying it and then not doing anything about it, right? It's actually showing that this experience is possible. Like that was really beautiful for me. Yeah. Charles, what did what did you think? What was your kind of like you know, this is why it's all worth it, like moment. We are we're we're saying something, not just doing something.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Yeah, I think for me, it was also the inclusivity. It was beautiful to see so much of the community represented. Um but also just people truly experiencing joy at one of our events was amazing. I mean, it was in the air. Folks really were very joyful, and um, you know, you don't always see that at all events and certainly not at fundraising events, so that was amazing. And I think that it was um I've I felt like if you weren't there, you really missed out. Yes, on that.

SPEAKER_01 26:46

Setting the fun back in fundraising. Hey!

SPEAKER_02 26:50

All right.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

What do you think community took away from the event?

SPEAKER_01 26:56

I mean, I think what they took away from it was that you never know what to expect from San Diego Pride. Like we still, we still got some fun things up our sleeve that we we working on, right? I think it opened up their possibility of what it can look like to engage with San Diego Pride, right? Outside of just our parade and our festival, what it looks like to be a part of our programs, what it looks like to invest in this community and specifically our organization, the things that we are trying to do to create more space in our community. Because it honestly, this is not something that a lot of prides are doing, right? Like a lot of them, as I spoke to earlier, they don't have the time, they don't have the capacity, they don't have the resources to be able to do this, right? And so it really put on the forefront why people should be looking to find out how they can support us in the work that we are doing, because this is this is the integral work that we are doing. This is how we are injecting more joy into a world that is feeling very like despair, right? With everything that's going on, with all the policies, all the rollbacks, the ways in which we're feeling isolated. Like we are doing our damnedest to put more joy into this world because it it deserves to be the brightest light in a world that is dark.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

Yeah. I think we should leave it there, y'all. I think so. On that note, San Diego Pride Podcast is out. No, but in all seriousness, thank you both for joining me in this endeavor. This is our inaugural podcast. And I can't think of a better conversation to start things off with. Um yeah, thank you for the incredible work that you brought to life in this event and in this community and the daily. Um, and thank you to everyone who has stuck with us this long to wrap up this San Diego Pride podcast.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Uh, thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

And continue to shine on.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

This has been the San Diego Pride Podcast. Thank you for joining us, and thank you to our partner and sponsor KPBS for lending us this lovely studio space. And join us next time for when the mission meets the moment.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

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