SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hi everyone, I'm Christina, one of the conveners of the Environmental and Sustainability Education SIG on the AARE. Today I'm really pleased to introduce our guest, a secondary school French teacher from Ontario, Canada, who is thoughtfully navigating the role of AI within language teaching. In her classroom, AI isn't a shortcut. It's a tool she is critically examining, adapting, and integrating to support authentic learning, creativity, and student agency. She brings a grounded practitioner-level perspective on what it actually looks like to experiment with AI in day-to-day pedagogy. And I'm looking forward to hearing her experiences using AI in her classroom. Start us off. When you hear the word AI, what's the first image or feeling that comes to mind?

SPEAKER_01 0:44

So when I first hear AI, the first thing I think about is like a futuristic setting. Every time, especially being like, you know, the 90s kid, when you heard of artificial intelligence, you would think of robots, you would think of the future. You would never think of something that I would be part of today, uh, especially in the mainstream world. Like you would think that this is something like scientists use or uh in the engineering field, but nothing in like the everyday um like in the everyday life that we see right now. So yeah, it's the first thing I think of when when I when I hear AI is like computers, robots, future.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

So what's one everyday task that you'd happily hand over to AI and one that you never give up? So let's start with the one that you'd happily hand over to AI.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Yeah, definitely anything chores related. I would give like if there was a robot, some type of AI robot, it would be definitely that. Because like the stuff that I wouldn't give up with it would be anything like creativity-wise. I feel like that's how as humans, that's how we kind of clear our minds and you know it it is what it makes us human. So like I would say I like to do nails, for example. If I had to give that away to AI, what would I do to pass my time? What would I do to clear my mind whenever I'm feeling overstressed? I wouldn't have anything because that's my hobby. So I'll give the stuff that I, you know, am not crazy about, that I'm not emotionally attached to to AI to so that I can do things like, you know, spend time with my family, because that's stuff that AI can never replace.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

All right. So shifting gears a little bit now to sustainability, um, because AI has been linked to um a bit of contention around sustainability and a bit of controversy around sustainability. So, what's a sustainability habit that you've picked up recently? And it can be anything um big or small.

SPEAKER_01 2:28

Yeah, I've been more conscious about food sustainability lately, like where my food is coming from, um wasting food, things like that. Um I'm just I feel like that's something that we take for granted, especially when we come from privileged countries like where we're in right now, Canada, Australia. Like we always have food on the table, but we never think of how is this one affecting others too? How is it affecting our environment? Uh and three, just even like as simple as it is, where is this coming from? How did it get on our on our tables or in our fridges, right? And what impact did it make environmentally, for example, for it to get there? So doing things like, you know, trying to buy things locally, things that are in season, um just in general, I feel like that helps us to become more sustainable and even helps us save money in the long run. Because when something is in season, like especially here in Canada, like we don't have everything always in season because of our winters, right? So when it comes to winter, we look at products that we can buy that are local that are in season right now. And if something is way too expensive, usually that means it's out of season and therefore it's coming from far away. And if you buy it, you're kind of contributing to something not being sustainable, uh, in terms of especially environmentally. So we're trying to work on that uh in our home, just trying to, you know, be more mindful of where our food comes from and also how we use up our food so that we don't create waste.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

And I think it's really interesting too, because you're coming from a perspective that's um Northern Hemisphere, Canadian. Um, and that might look very different in terms of sustainability and AI to what we're experiencing now in Australia, or it may not. Um, so it's really interesting perspective.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

But I think it all we also have a lot of similarities too, which is also really interesting as well, because when you think of different country, you think of like, oh, it's probably totally different. So in this way, we also see what connects us, even though we're in two different sides of the world, what connects us in terms of AI and sustainability in this case and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 4:28

And so, from the perspective of um a secondary school teacher, and in particular a language teacher teaching French language in secondary school, when you think about AI in your field, what's the first thing that excites you or worries you?

SPEAKER_01 4:45

So, in terms of excitement, I love how AI could be used as a tool to kind of help support my students, right? So, you know, they can use it for research. Uh, it helps them, although we do tell them to be mindful because it can be biased at some times. So we always tell them, you know, make sure, you know, when you do use AI for research, uh, make sure you do always double check, you know, where your information is coming from. Uh, because at the end of the day, you are human, you know better than AI. AI just presents you the information, but you have the conscience and the the mind to say, okay, this is right, this is wrong, this is not credible, you know, this is coming from a non-credible source, for example. Um, so and I and I also think that AI also helps to kind of um expand creativity with our students. So, for example, I did an assignment with them where they had to talk about um, we gave them a specific topic topic, which was food and health. Uh, and they had to get a picture and talk about that topic um like spontaneously, right? They just needed to look at the picture and right there. I would ask them questions and they would have to respond back in French. Um and I told them that they can use AI to create that picture. So it allowed them to kind of unlock some creativity aspect. It also allowed differentiation um between all the students. I also didn't have to worry about was one student using the exact same picture as another, because we all knew that AI would generate something different because all of their prompts would always be something specific to what they were thinking or what you were saying, right? So it allows them to also become create creative. Um however, what does scare us with AI is the use of AI for obviously like plagiarism. Um we're seeing a lot of those challenges with students, you know, using AI to write an essay or using AR AI to do their homework, for example. And they're not, it's not allowing them to re retain information or even learn in general, right? So what scares me is just the misuse of artificial intelligence and how it can be used in many different aspects for the negative, not just in terms of education, but also on the social aspect as well. We've seen a lot of bullying by using AI where kids are getting pictures and you know putting it into like chat GPT and making something like you know, inappropriate. Um so dealing with all of those things, that's that's the scary side of AI because really AI is at the mercy of the person who's using it. If you want to use it negatively, it'll give you something negative and it'll be really bad. But if you want to use it for the good, use it as a tool to help support our students. It can be used for very, very good benefits. Like I can't lie, I use it myself to differentiate tests because if I'm teaching three peers in the same class, I'm not gonna give them all the same tests because it could lead to cheating. So I can use AI, I can put one of my tests that I created myself, I can ask ask it to create different questions and it'll create three different versions of the test. I don't have to worry about cheating going on. So there's good, there's bad, just everything.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

It's great to hear how you're using AI for differentiation. Um, but it's also interesting to hear how you have, you know, there are some concerns around how AI is being used in education, and you need to take a bit of a precautious view to using AI and using like your teacher judgment when using um AI in education in the classroom. Um, switching gears a little bit, I'm just wondering, how do you explain AI to people who aren't in your area? Now you seem to have a very well-versed knowledge of AI and education and how to use it um ethically in the classroom. Um, but what about students, colleagues, family? Um how do you approach how you explain AI to them? And do you ever encounter any um misconceptions around AI?

SPEAKER_01 8:31

I think it all depends on, I would say, the generation and the access that people have. Um obviously, the more modern generation is very versed in AI. They're very aware of the different types of AI and what they can use it for and how they use it. And as you go along in older generations, I think it becomes more scarier. So it's like they kind of have an idea of what it is, but again, they're like, like, let's say, for example, um, my parents' age, right? Uh, people in that generation, when you discuss AI with them, it's like, oh no, that's bad. Like that's something it's gonna take over and uh brainwash and this and that. Whereas if you talk to like you know, teenagers like my students, they're like, Oh yeah, this is great. Like, there's no, it's not a big deal, like as long as you use it properly, it's not gonna take over. This is just to help us out. They don't they don't look at it the same way as the older generations do, right? So I think that's where the misunderstanding is, and it's because I think that has a lot to do with like um society and like media, how media presented it. So for the older generations, media presented AI as like, you know, it's destructive, it's scary, it's uh it's gonna take over the world and like, you know, kill us all type of thing, right? Whereas the younger generation that was kind of born into this technological age, they just see AI as like, you know, another tool, another part of a computer. It's not seen as something that's gonna take over the world or anything like that. It's just seen as like I can use this to help me out and make my life easier, like a washing machine. If you look at a washing machine at all, we're like, okay, yeah, not a big deal, it washes my clothes. But if you look at the older generations who never had washing machines, and when the washing machine was first invented, invented, they're probably like, oh, this is scary or this is like lazy work, right? And I think that's going on to your second question. What do they usually get wrong? They see AI as the lazy way out. And I'm I'm not gonna lie, it can be used as the lazy way out, but in order for you to use AI correctly, you really have to have some good critical and creative thinking skills because AI is only as good as the person who uses it. So if you're thinking of Chat GPT, exactly if you give a simple prompt, for example, you're gonna get a simple output output. Not something that's not very good, right? But the more creative, the more critical you are in the prompt that you give Chat GPT, the more critical and creative the answer of the product is gonna be. And that really takes skill. So I think that's where the misconception is, is that like it's not just oh, I'm gonna use AI to just do my work for me, but it's also how good do I want the product at the end to be will depend on what I as a person can create.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

So what changes do you think AI is going to bring to how we learn, teach, or make decisions?

SPEAKER_01 11:13

That's a load of it's a load of question because it's really it really depends on what direction we're gonna go with AI, right? So a lot of people are like, oh, AI is uh is gonna replace your job. And honestly, I don't think AI will ever replace a teacher's job because teaching isn't just delivering information, teaching is being role models, being there for our students. There's an emotional aspect to teaching, and AI will never be able to grasp that because AI does not have a sense of what emotion is, right? That's a very human trait, and AI, I don't think we'll ever be able to, in my opinion, will ever be able to pick that up to the way that humans do it, right? So the good thing is that I think we're gonna start seeing AI a lot more in how we deliver our information, how we deliver our education, but I do not think it's gonna replace because, like we said, AI is is still flawed and just like everything else, it'll never be perfect. Like how many times you could ask chat GPT the same question and it'll give you three, four, five different answers all the time. Yeah. And some of them may be biased, and you cannot remove a bias from AI. That's just the way it is. I think it'll be there to support us in education. I don't think it'll ever fully take over.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

And so you kind of already mentioned this one before, like the response to this one before. Um, but where do you think humans still do things better than AI? And where do you think AI genuinely helps? And you kind of you kind of mentioned the the emotional aspect of AI and how you know AI doesn't have that capability as of yet, um, and that you feel that it won't have that capability. It's a flaw that AI has. Um, is there anything else that you like to add to that response?

SPEAKER_01 12:53

Honestly, I think that's the that's the biggest part because emotion is literally like a human trait. Like, for example, you can't teach love to AI, it will never understand that. So I don't think AI will ever replace exactly what a human is. It is at the end of the day just a computer that's made up by a human, but it'll never replace a human.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

And you kind of mentioned this one already before as well, this next question. Um, you talked about how you know AI is seen as the lazy way out. Um, if you could fix one big misunderstanding about AI and society, would that be it, or would there be something else?

SPEAKER_01 13:31

I think the the two biggest, well, other than the lazy. So the the other one is that AI is just gonna take over everything. I don't think that's it's gonna be a very, very big support. I do not think it's gonna take over everything though. Like there's just some things we cannot it just could not replace. It's yeah, it just it doesn't like the you still need somebody there in front of you. That's like say, okay, for a babysitter, can your AI replace a babysitter? You can put a robot, but really can you is that better than a person? Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

So um when you look at AI and you think about all the potential that it has, and we kind of talked about this already before. Um, we talked about how um and you mentioned how you know you have your hobby is you know doing nails, and it's something that not necessarily helps you de-stress, but it's something that um, you know, you do aside from work, it's a passion of yours. Um so thinking along those same lines, what's one thing that you hope AI never replaces? Like if AI is going to do anything, you hope it's not this one thing that it can do.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

I think um the social aspects of society, I hope AI never has to replace it. And the reason why I say that is because even already nowadays you hear stories about like kids talking to AI as if it's like a boyfriend. And it's like for some for some children, they're almost looking at AI as if this is a person. So it's already in some kids, it's already acting as like a replacement for relationships for social skills, right? But realistically, it's it's so flawed in the sense that it can't, it can't do that. And and children being children, they don't realize that, right? So I hope at the end of the day, people learn that this can never replace a social relationship, whether it be a friendship or or uh or boyfriend, like a romantic relationship, like you think AI can't do that, it cannot be your partner, someone to talk to, someone to give advice to, because it does not have that, like going back to emotional, it doesn't have the ability to reason. So we cannot replace relationships and our social life with AI. I hope it never does. We us as humans can use it, but I hope we never do that. I hope we never get to that point.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

And I wouldn't be surprised if adults um themselves are using that in that capacity, not just students in the sense of using AI for kind of like an emotional filler.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

Well, especially if they're lonely, like a lot of people are like, oh, just pull up ChatGPT and have a conversation and vent. Like I lost that before, like, oh, you know, I'm thinking of this, like it might not be reasonable. Then I sit down, I'm like, wait, why am I asking ChatGPT this? Is that something I sometimes it's like you just need uh a research-based answer? Like, I'm asking ChatGPT not to like give me a hug and give me its opinion. Yeah, I'm asking to see if there is something on the internet, whether it be like a a reasonable source, like a psychological source, let's say like that, or like if I'm talking about something that has to do with law, right? Or something like is this against the law to to to say this? Um I'm looking right, and non biased, non-judgmental route. Yeah, yeah, answer, not something that well, I think I think right there you're already putting in a bias, you're already putting in a a sense of emotion. Sometimes you just need a cold, hard, facility.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

So we talked a little bit about this before in terms of AI and its impact on the environment. Um, if I guess the question is, would you use AI if you knew it consumed significant energy and had a negative impact on the environment? And we do know that it does have impacts on the environment. I guess the question is, you know, what is the level of impact on your usability? Um if you knew that it did have this significant impact.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

You know what? When I first started using AI technologies, I never even thought about that. Because in my head, I'm like programs, this is something I downloaded. You never think that the amount of energy that that one answer took to to respond just use a ton of energy and create create a whole bunch of pollution, right? Because if you think about it, if you actually sit and think about it, it does make sense. You have a computer that's running off an immense amount of energy to try to research the whole internet, which is essentially infinite, to give you an answer in like 0.2 seconds. Yeah. So basically, if the amount of energy that that had to waste and from energy, what is the amount of resources to supply that energy? You know, we don't think of that. So to say would I use it less, it doesn't really it didn't really cross my mind. And even like now knowing about if I put a question in chat GPT, I'm not like, ooh, this is gonna create pollution. So to be honest with you, I don't I don't use it less because I think of consumption. What scares me more uh from other than sustainability is the fact that like I don't want this to take over my life and uh and take over the ability to allow me to critically think. To me, that's my priority over sustainability. Sadly, I know that's important. I hate to say that because we should be thinking about the environment, but I think that that's my major concern right now because I don't know, I guess in my head I'm just thinking, you know, eventually we'll just find a way to make it more sustainable in order for we have to use it.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Yeah, I think that's a pretty shared um perspective on AI and its impact on sustainability. Um, I think that a lot of people might think, and and you know, I'm one of them to think um this will get better, like the impact will be less as people use it more. There'll be more consideration about how to reduce the impact on the environment and hopefully things will get better.

SPEAKER_01 19:48

Also, the mentality is if I don't see it, if I don't see it using the pollution, it's not using it, which I'm not saying I should be a mentality. That's that's a a societal thought as well.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Say that there was you know an AI tool that um was slightly slower or significantly slower, it doesn't have to be slightly, it can be significantly slower um and less powerful than the AI tools that we currently have right now. So, for example, you put in an answer or you put in a prompt, and instead of it spitting out an output in 0.2 seconds, it produces an output in two minutes. Um but it actually um had less of a side effect on the environment. So sustainability-wise, it was more environmentally sustainable. Would that um be something that appealed to you? Is that something that you would choose over a more powerful AI that had um a slightly higher impact on the environment? Or um, you know, what what what would be your option there? Do you prefer efficiency? Um, and there's no right or wrong answer here. Any any answer is is acceptable. It's just you know, looking at your perspective from a teaching perspective. Um, because sometimes we do need more efficiency. We need something that's quite fast in terms of um producing an output, um, especially in teaching. So um it'd be interesting to hear your perspective on this one.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

Honestly, it's like this like part of me is saying, like, I to me, I don't care because I was brought up in a time where there was no AI, there was no chat TPT to create stuff for me. I would just create it myself. So I know how to wait those two minutes, and even those two minutes are already fast enough for what I had before. So for me, becoming sustainable, why not? Why not? Yep. But then I think you know, sometimes I'm in the middle of class and I'm like, shoot, I forgot to do an answer key for this. And I really do do something like that in 0.2 seconds. So to have Maybe the option would be good. So that if I need something on the spot, I do have that point two seconds. And unfortunately it's less sustainable. But if I'm able to, you know, make up something on the spot. And then for things that I maybe have more time or that I can I can extend the the time that I need it by, then the two-minute one would help as well. I would use that instead.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

So yeah, to have an option then would probably be um a great like add-on to AI is basically what you're what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

I said to have an option would definitely be a better uh solution because there are times where we need things done right away and there are times that we can wait a little bit longer. So to have the option to have something more sustainable, wait a little bit longer for things that are we're able to do that for is great. But I think it's also something to have that quick option, even though maybe it is not very environmentally friendly, but it needed for whatever you might use it for.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

So a lot of these AI platforms right now are are free. So I'm thinking along the lines of Copilot, ChatGPT, Claude, um, they all offer free alternatives um to um accessing AI. And so the question is, um, so the next question is, would you would you be willing to pay more for a greener AI service provider? Um, so for example, an AI that said, you know, we're powered by renewable energy, or we're, you know, we have less effects on the environment. Is that something that would appeal to you? Is that something that you would look into investing if you had to, you know, to pay for, you know, quote unquote greener um AI?

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Honestly, I don't even pay for the other options. So I don't think it would appeal for me, nor probably for the general population, because I don't feel like environmental sustainability sells. Right? So if that's the only outcome, like no, but if it's gonna, if it's gonna give me something else, and I know this sounds like so selfish, but it is the reality of things. If it would give me something more in return other than being greener, I would consider it. But if that's the only thing that I would get out of it, probably not. Because like I said, right now, you know, we have the option for like ChatGPT plus, which is like smarter answers and you know, quicker this and quicker that, and unlimited this, unlimited that, and I don't pay for that, even though it would probably benefit. I would just wait it out because it's free to the next day when the limits reset. Right? I just feel like my money is worthwhile going to any form of AI technology if there is a free option because I don't need it enough for it to for me to justify paying for it. But that gives me my lifestyle and what I use it for, the freeze is good enough.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

When it comes to um the responsibility around reducing AI's environmental impact, um, I'm curious as to your opinion as to who do you think is the most responsible for reducing this impact? Do you think it's users, companies, governments, someone else? Who do you think is the most responsible?

SPEAKER_01 25:17

I think everybody has a fair share in making things more sustainable. I can't just blame, like, oh, just blame the government, right? Um I think companies should consider making things more sustainable when they have the ability to do so. And if we as users know that what the companies are doing wrong, then or we feel that it should be more sustainable, then we as users should be sharing that with the companies, right? Because at the end of the day, it's not the companies that control us, there's more us than the companies. So if we really want to make a difference, then we just stop buying, right? We just stop contributing to the to the companies. So I think everybody has a fair share in making things sustainable because the companies will just do what's cheaper for them. The government will just do what the people want or what makes them money. Okay. But at the end of the day, we also have the final say and the final control in all of it. But it's up to the companies to listen to us as consumers and the governments to listen to us as citizens, and then in turn make things more sustainable, is if that's what we want as a nation or as a as a society, however you want to say it. But I think everybody has their fair share of responsibility into making things sustainable, not just one specific group.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

Yeah, so it's like um from what you're saying, it's kind of like a collective contribution, collective responsibility. Um, so it's not just um it's not just one kind of um section of you know community or government that needs to be responsible or companies, it's it's a collective movement, it's everyone that has a play and a role in um in reducing AI's environmental impact. So when you look at educational institutions and from a teacher's perspective, um, do you think that educational institutions such as schools, universities, um should they be providing guidance or policies on sustainable AI use? So from a teacher in a secondary school, from that perspective, um do you think that there should be policies around and guidelines around how students should be using it, how staff should be using it? So, you know, um, you know, watching the quality of what you're putting in um to AI in terms of not necessarily only the quality and the skills needed to be adding inputs in there, but um, you know, watching like the privacy around what you're putting, um, watching um the content around what what you're putting in AI. Um, so do you think that there should be guidelines around that?

SPEAKER_01 28:03

Oh, no, no, no, there definitely should be policies, 100%. Because, you know, being in the education field right now, we're already seeing how badly misused it is in terms of cheating, in terms of plagiarism. Uh, like I said, retention, it's affecting retention, it's a retention, it's uh affecting the uh learning ability of students. But at the same time, it is also benefiting them, right? And even right now, our school board is struggling trying to figure out policies on how we can make it a more um sustainable and effective tool for our students. Um, we already have plagiarism policies out that are dealt with AI. We have programs to help us um detect AI usage in student work. Um so it it definitely needs to be controlled in terms of education because if it's not, then the children are just gonna use it as they see fit. Um and if that means, you know, making ChatGPT or Copilot or whatever make an assignment up for uh for them, they're gonna do it. As as a French teacher, what we see it most in is in forms of translation. Instead of a student trying, you know, making the mistakes, correcting them, they're just throwing um, you know, a paragraph into Google Translate, which is a form of AI as well, or or Deep L or whatever it's called, uh, and just getting them to translate and copy paste. Students are learning from that because when it comes to the point where they have to write it on paper, they don't know what's right because they've been getting AI to do it for them the whole time, that they've never even actually learned how to form a sentence properly. Right? It's not that we're not teaching them, we are, but when it comes to the practice, okay, they're not doing it because they're getting AI to do it for them. And this is actually bringing us, uh like in in my department, for example, we've actually resorted to the fact that all uh assessments are no longer to be done with technology. All assessments have to be done pen and paper or pencil and paper, physical dictionary, no more, you know, word reference or anything like that. Physical dictionary, and it has to be done within the one period of the class for that day. And that's it working. Then you know what our students have been learning, going back to the older ways of doing things. That's how the children have been actually learning and retaining information and improving uh in terms of their language retention. Because before that, if we just let AI do everything for them, they weren't they they they weren't learning, they weren't learning how to write. Yeah, yeah. And that's probably really important in language-based area as well, because that's a social aspect, and AI can't give you that.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Um, and that brings us to our last question. So, what role do you think educational institutions, so schools, secondary schools in your um in your case, um play in modeling or teaching sustainable AI use to students? And so you already mentioned a bit about um, you know, how you've had to resort to pen and paper or pencil and paper for some assessment. Um, but in terms of like, you know, modeling um and teaching to students, is there anything else that you kind of think about when you're um engaging with AI? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Like, I don't think we should remove it because part of the education is preparing our students for the real world. And the real world, whether we like it or not, is a world with technology and artificial intelligence. So to put the kids through school and not teach them how to use these things, um, we're not doing our part as educators because when those students end deploy into the workforce, they're gonna be totally lost. So I think incorporating it and teaching them how to use it responsibly would benefit them more than just saying, you know what, we're not gonna use it at all, period. Right. There's ways that, like I said, we don't use them for evaluation and assessments because those are things that we need to see what the student has learned. Artificial intelligence is not gonna help them with that. But when it comes to, you know, for example, if we're doing group work and we want the children to um create something visually, okay, they can use creative and critical thinking skills to do that, right? Using AI. Like we've done another another um activity that I've done with the students is that they have to create a map, right? Not everybody's artistically inclined. So they were able to use um artificial intelligence with the correct prompts and everything to create a visual map. And they were amazed at how their ideas were were able to be brought to life through artificial intelligence. And I think that's where the beauty of it is, right? But there still needs to be some type of human aspect to it. Artificial intelligence doesn't work on its own, right? Artificial intelligence was meant to be a tool to help support in terms of education, help support our learning and help bring those thoughts that are stuck in the student's mind to life in a visual aspect, right? So as long as they're using it that way, I think artificial intelligence would definitely benefit the student learning. Um but not if they're gonna use it improperly. And that's where the policies and educating students comes in in into place. And that as school, that's what we do. We educate. So why not educate on how to use a skill correctly so that when they go out into the real world, they're able to use it responsibly in the workforce or in their daily lives. And um, that would better, you know, help society on on, I don't know, using AI responsibly, I guess you can say.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Well, thank you for that, and thank you for participating in this podcast. It was great to have you here and learn from your perspective, um, especially from a language um teaching perspective, which is really interesting. Um, is there anything else you'd like to add, or you're happy to just um close it off here?

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Yeah, I'm I'm good. It was uh a fun interview. Thank you for uh choosing me for your podcast.

SPEAKER_00 34:03

Yeah, and it's been great to hear that um AI in education, especially in a language perspective, has um really like some really positive benefits and can be a really useful tool in teaching. Um so it was great to hear. So thank you. So thank you very much, um, and I really appreciate your time today. You're very welcome.