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Dating After the Disaster? Do We Even Want This Anymore? 💔🍷 | No Botox Required Ep.02
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We've survived marriages, breakups, situationships, and enough red flags to open a parade. So… are we still interested in dating, or are we just aggressively attached to our peace and a good bottle of wine? Join Wanda and Snezana for an honest, funny, and slightly unhinged conversation, as we unpack modern romance, unrealistic expectations, and why protecting our peace has become the ultimate relationship goal.
I will have to apologize if I sneeze, if I sound funny, and we will edit out any gross noises that come. It's only fitting that I'm sitting here a hot mess, disgusting snotty hot mess, when we're going to talk about dating.
SPEAKER_00First of all, I cannot believe that we are gonna do this called 30.
SPEAKER_02Dude, yes, it is. What time is it? It's before noon, so it's inappropriate to drink. As my mother would say.
SPEAKER_00Me too. So much fun. I'm gonna be probably the positive one. Right. Let me prepare everybody who's listening. So I think that the reason why we decided that this is gonna be the first thing that we are gonna talk about because this was initially our bond. This is how you and I kicked up our friendship. We talked about men and we talked about dating, and it was a decade ago, right? And I think that the majority of women can actually relate on different levels through different situations and experiences. But yes, I think that the topic could be like sometimes hard to cover or maybe frustrated, but it can also be fun. And you and I always looked at it from the fun perspective.
SPEAKER_02You have to look at it from the fun perspective, otherwise, you'll go and throw yourself in the ocean. Goodbye, cruel world, chootum boom, in the pool, like my sister would say. Um yes, I've been dating since I was 15. In a sense, right? Because back then it wasn't really dating. You had a boyfriend. Dating? Like I kicked it off when I lived here for a year, where I was like, I'm gonna just go and date everybody and anybody who asks me out. That was the first time when you started using apps. No, I started using app I wanna say 20 leather. I know that when I went to work in Australia, I got picked up from the airport by a quote-unquote date. Because I had already sussed that out, some match, whatever, go pick me up. And that I think that was 2011. Yeah, I used that's when I was in Australia, but that was because that had an intent. My intent was to find someone that would marry me so I could stay in Australia. That was my plan. Fair enough.
SPEAKER_00Always important to have a plan. Yeah. So basically, you were an apps for if you look at it from that point till now, almost 15 years.
SPEAKER_02Oh my god, my dating life is a teenager. No wonder it's going the way it's going. Actually, it's not going anywhere. My dating life is going anywhere. No. This is why this episode is going to be called Dating After the Disaster. The disaster can be different things for different people, right? Yes.
SPEAKER_00The big question here is do we even want this anymore? I'm gonna be the optimistic one. Yes, we do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Okay. Let me first define my disaster, and then you'll see. Well, my answer to do I even want this anymore will make more sense. My disaster moment came as I was giving my number to someone in person, right? Old fashion. Old school, old school, yes. And as he started typing my number in his phone, my name came up. And I realized, oh my god, you already have my number. And I looked at his face and I was like, I don't even know who you are. You have my number. And then when I walked back to the people I was with, one of them said, Of course he has no number, Wanda. You've dated every year. And that's when I realized I had come full circle, that I had actually swiped right and left to where I had reset my life. And I was again in point zero. And then after that, I think it just started going downhill from there. Not to say that I didn't still use dating apps, but definitely not Tinder after that. That's when I would start. I think that most of the people got that was it. Yeah. So having lived in a very small city attached to a bigger city, and having dated every single available man at the time, that of course ticked my requirements, and then that was shortly followed by COVID, which gave us not having to make excuses for wanting to be alone and enjoying to be alone and not having to be around people and please stay away at arm's length from me. I then came out of that at an age where I absolutely cannot be bothered.
SPEAKER_01I don't want to do it, even though I tried last year, two years ago.
SPEAKER_02It's been two years since then. So no, I definitely do not want to do it. I feel that at this time I'd rather reminisce. I've been dating since I was 15. I was married twice. I have dated so many nationalities, so many religions, so many statuses, so much age difference, younger, older, the same. And I can conclude that I am the own love of my life, you are a love of my life, my girlfriends are the love of my life, my pets.
SPEAKER_01I don't want to date unless Pedro Pascal comes knocking at my door.
SPEAKER_00I know you also know it right, man, fears out of nowhere because he doesn't exist. We stick in the boxes, but you are not so much about the boxes, you're also very emotional, you're driven by feelings, you're Latina, right? This is all gonna be like water under the bridge.
SPEAKER_02No, I feel like like at our age, it's not even attraction anymore, it's emotional regulation, it's not chemistry, it's cortisol. It there's so many things. I don't know. I don't know. I know that when you're young, you have idealistic of what you think, and you have these lists and you have these must-paths. And then as you start getting older, and I'm not even talking about being in your 50s, I'm talking about just maturing, you realize that maybe some things you're willing to overlook or to re what do you call it, renumber on your list. It really depends on if you get married and you have children, or if you have children, versus as you get older, if you're single, and then I think things change, and then it gets to a point where you're like, I'm in a position right now where the only reason I would want to have a man is for the company.
SPEAKER_00That is also for relationship, right? That is not I want to wake up next to you every morning. Oh god, no. There you go, right? The the way we actually are changing and evolving over time, you are more looking for companionship, quality companionship. Let's do something, let's go for a short trip, let's go to theater or opera and have just take dinner and sex, of course. But then please go home, yes, to your own matter so I can still have this idealistic vision of you.
SPEAKER_02Please go make those noises in the comfort of your own home.
SPEAKER_00Because let's be honest, we know that the noises are something that we all make, and just don't be that close to me. And I'm fine with that. I'm at the stage where I don't need you to constantly breathe in my neck so I can actually feel comfortable. No, I would actually really like my space, but it's okay what I think. And based on my experiences, even when you go with that and you're completely honest and open about this, men do not like it. If you meet someone and you're like, I'm at the point of my life where I want to hear, this is what I want, this is what would make me very comfortable and relaxed, and this is where I would be the best version of myself with you. Men don't like it. Well, okay, and you would think serious example, you would think that they would be like, oh, I'm perfectly fine with that, but because then they are not getting into your life deeply, into your maybe challenges, problems. And no, they do not. Nope, nope, because then they're like, you're not serious about that. Immediately drama starts, and it's like very confusing for me at this time because along the way, we were brought up with this perception that we as females are the ones who are starting drama and bringing drama into the relationships, and then somehow all this drama, I feel not appreciated, I feel not needed, I feel, and I'm constantly trying to say, I want a man, I want a partner, I don't need you, right? Because I have everything figured out, the system is working. That doesn't mean that I don't want to be adored and given attention and all that, because that is something that we as females are actually missing. I think that there are men who would appreciate that somewhere in the world, right? Somewhere far away. Because majority of men would say, Oh, I love mature women who have their shit together, and then the drama comes to the room. No, they're side. They do not great. That's no, no, they do not.
SPEAKER_01No, they don't.
SPEAKER_02I thought it all. I've tried to be the I'm gonna let you do your own thing and I do my own thing, and then we'll just hook up. Then it's not enough. Then I try to be the I'm gonna try to be the wifey one, and that that doesn't work. I've been the other woman, I've been the woman cheated on. Every scenario of what a relationship can look like, I have done. And quite frankly, I rather stay home with my cat and my dog than just the idea of actually having to go out and interact because I'm done with apps, right? That's it. Yes, dating apps is like LinkedIn for freaking trauma. Done with apps. If I don't meet someone through friends or meeting or someone or eye contact or in person or bumping into someone, that's it. I deleted them from my phone when I replaced them with that app that used to tell us the COVID thing. That's it. Sounds like you know how long it's been. So unless it happens that way, I don't, I really don't. I think that the disaster for me and beyond that, what's your disaster? At what point in time have you did you start approaching dating differently?
SPEAKER_00I think that I did not give up, but I think that my mindset completely changed. When did it change? I don't know. Coming from Serbia and pretty traditional surroundings, I did not date when I was 15. I started dating when I was 18. And again, it was not dating, it was a boyfriend, and then again, boyfriend heartbreaks between and stuff like that. So basically, my life was till I was maybe 32, it was long-term relationships where I was not happy. I was in love, but after that initial chemical reaction to the dopamine left, then I realized that I'm not happy. Then you move on, and I think that when I was around maybe 32, I actually embraced the fact that I want to try to be single. That was the first time that I was starting learning to be by myself, to understand the difference between being alone and feeling lonely. Because in fast, while I was growing up, I didn't understand the difference. And then I started dating, and it was casual here, there, and then I got pregnant, and that completely changed my whole mindset. But you weren't dating while you were pregnant when I gave birth and I started adjusting myself to the single mom life and all that. There was a period of time where I was thinking that I need to find a father figure for my child, that should be my next partner. Did that for a long time, yes, and that did not turn out good. After 40, that's the first time I actually joined the ass for the past decade. Not a huge success, as we know. But what was interesting, I tricked my partners that way that I knew that this is not gonna survive. That's why usually I was going for younger partners. There is a tricky part, you are completely at a stage when you are fulfilled from career perspective, from financial perspective, and they are starting feeling, oh, I'm not good enough. They're not. And then it goes from I'm not good enough, you are making me feeling not good enough. So basically, they start hating me, from loving me to hating me. But what was interesting that I actually with my therapist is that I did that deliberately because I thought I need to stay alone. Bringing somebody in would be very traumatic for my child and for the whole system that I build. So this is the way it's safer that I'm by myself. And on top of that, I was punishing myself for doing things unconventionally. You cannot run from the way you were brought up, the things that are deeply incorred in your mentality and brain. So it took a lot of therapy, and now I'm at a stage where if it happens, awesome. If it doesn't happen, that's okay. But what I realized, I'm not angry anymore. That's why I approach everything completely different. So I'm open to meet new people. I can go on a date that can happen only when I'm really in the mood for it. I do not force myself anymore. That is also something new. When I feel like it, when I want to dress up, when I feel like socializing, having conversation, engaging, then I do it. And what I notice, when I meet people, I'm not in that place where I overthink, where I'm immediately pulling out my heavy artillery, the guns right there. No, I'm like, it's okay because we're all human and we are going through everything, but it doesn't mean that we need to go together, because I dealt with my shit on my own. And I would appreciate someone who is dealing with their shit by themselves.
SPEAKER_02So, what kind of love feels attractive now versus before?
SPEAKER_00I'm at the stage where I would love to have somebody around with who I could experience something new. Where before you didn't care, and before I was like, I'm just content with the fact that I have maybe attention and love, and I should be quiet. I just want someone over, which is fair, right? Because unfortunately, with the money comes all damn. Let's travel, let's explore, let's go do this, let's go see Dan. I think that I would love somebody who is at the end of the day, at least equal.
SPEAKER_02Yes, let's start with that. You're right, at least equal. I had dated uh oh my god, when I lived in the DR, I love dating me a broke motherfucker. Uh I was like, bring on the scrubs. TLC, I'm not listening to your song, even though it's the 90s and we all have the same eyebrows. Bring on your needy, your poor, your unemployed musician, your dude who doesn't have a car, who sleeps on a mattress on the floor. Bring them to Wanda. She wants to meet all of them. Let's talk about effort. Let's talk about the lack of effort. Let's talk about what we think is effort, which is completely different from what people we date think is effort, and that you can see it after the first date is the fact that you did 10 things to get ready for this day, 10 as a female ton. And they can involve getting ready, beauty, waxing, whatever it is that you do, and then maybe two or three things where you organize the babysitter, and you went and walked your dog, and you worked your schedule around everything because I don't have kids, and I still have to do that. And you made sure that you're like you're thinking ahead, and you're like, maybe we go out for drinks. So let me move that meeting tomorrow morning till 10 instead of nine in case I need some more time, blah, blah, blah. And then he picks you up and he doesn't have any. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Which is from my perspective, absolutely ridiculous. Because even if I want to invite you for drinks, I already have plans. We are gonna go there. I already made the reservation. If it's needed, this is the vibe we are going for. You you are gonna ask me, so what I'm should wear? Yes, I'm a girl. We're not talking about girls, we're talking about dudes, but I'm telling you, so I think that at this point, I want someone when it comes to this, I want him to plan a date.
SPEAKER_02Think about it, and I know how you've dated, and I know how you used to come visit me and date and think about the time when there is no effort. Nothing. You get in the car, you're like, what are we doing? Oh, I don't know. I thought we'd just drive around.
SPEAKER_01Excuse me?
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, I had experience with the Egyptian guy. Do you remember? He starts driving, and I start thinking we are heading somewhere. We did head somewhere. We went to one of those coffee shops where servers are coming to your window to ask you what you want. And I'm like, like, not even a drive thru because there's no no. So he was like, What would you like? And I was like, Yeah, I will have coffee. And he orders a coffee, and then he starts driving. Driving again. And we were driving in the car for an hour.
SPEAKER_02And that was your date. And you could have easily walked downstairs and sweat.
SPEAKER_00Nobody.
SPEAKER_02I feel like a meal in a public place. I feel like the fact that I put on makeup, did my hair, ironed this dress, I'm wearing heels. I need to show it off somewhere. And I feel like a little bit of effort, just a tiny bit. Basically, all you did was you could have put a dog there and opened the window and you stick your head out. No effort. Is it laziness? Is it lack of imagination? Is it that they're dating so many women?
SPEAKER_00Yes. That they're like that. If you want it, this is what I can give you. This is my bare minimum, and obviously, bare minimum is passing. So if you don't like it, bring another one. And with the social media and the apps, the availability is there.
SPEAKER_02Okay, if this was supposed to convince me to date, it's not. I didn't even play it. I came up with the apartment pretty confused. What'd you think about home and my animals were like, the fuck are you doing?
SPEAKER_00Home so you know, I I don't know. Then when I tried to date that single dad, yes, he was ticking all boxes. We saw each other, remember, for your birthday at that place completely as planned. And he you saw how he was looking at me, and he was like, I cannot wait for our date for this to happen and all that. He canceled on me literally 10 minutes before I was supposed to get in the taxi. I realized that he actually is not looking to date. He went through a lot with his marriage, with his divorce, with everything that is happening with the kids, and finding somebody who is in maybe a similar situation, it gave me him freedom to unload. I am actually proud of myself because now I'm in a situation when I said, look, I fully understand. This is not coming from the angry place or pitchy place or whatever. I'm not trying to be that, and it's interesting how we women need to prepare our audience when we want to speak our mind, that we are not frustrated, emotional. Yeah. I'm just like, I don't need that because I have my thing going on and it's very, it's great, but it's stress all the time, which is completely normal. And then when I meet someone and go somewhere to do something, I wanna actually disconnect and just relax and enjoy and laugh. It doesn't mean that we should not share sometimes things, but that should not be the focus. And he told me, you are very selfish and you are very dramatic, and you are this and that, and then I said, That's fine. I did not got upset, and you're a Nady bitch, yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so do you think people's tolerances have gotten higher, or do you think your standards are higher, or do you think tolerance has just disappeared? Because for me, I feel that my standards may have slightly changed in when it comes to the physical, but my tolerance level has dropped to the point where I can't, I can't deal with your bullshit. I can't deal with it. I give you two chances, I'm done. I can't, the questioning, the giving unsolicited advice, the mansplaining, the I would rather serve myself a drink, sit on my couch, put something on Netflix, and just relax.
SPEAKER_00Which I understand. I fully understand. I think that the society is at a stage where unfortunately men insecurities are very high, a good reason for it, right? We evolved so much. We did so much so we can be calmer and more present and grounded, and we are putting a lot of work when it comes to this. And I think that probably in future this is gonna be on their table as well, because something needs to change. The only thing is that at this point we because in past we needed to serve their needs, and we probably were taught the generations even before us, you know, even our generation, that serving man needs is bringing the peace in relationship, and then that's where he tries, and that's where he's happy, and then he's happy that he will make you happy, and blah blah blah. Now we can make ourselves happy, right? And that is very tricky, but I know that I completely changed that disappointment that I felt is gone. Yes, yes, gone. Because when I know what's up there, right? Yeah, I'm not bitter, yeah, I'm prepared, I'm not judgmental. But if somebody needs work on themselves, it just needs to be done. I'm sorry. I think it feels like if you had a second child, right?
SPEAKER_02So the first one, everything is shocked when they go through things, and then the second one, you'd be like, ah, that's to be expected. That's how you approach dating and men and intimacy now. Nothing else can actually surprise me. Nothing, and we, I don't know if we're lucky or unlucky enough to have been, because we're single, to have transitioned through dating, just like with tech. So our generation is very lucky to where we had tapes that you wouldn't have pencils when you had to rewind it, all the way to now having quad and chat GPT and all the other AI. Same thing with dating. You were lucky enough to if a boy liked you would pick up the phone and say, Buenas noches, don't you? How are you? Can I talk to Wanda? And then click and have to speak to an adult to speak to you, to the point now where situationship, uh, friends with benefits, hanging out, quote unquote. Let's do Netflix recipe. Yes. And we have seen it all, right? So I don't think there's anything about modern dating that can surprise me at this point. The first time I ever got a dick pic was surprising. Then I used to have them cataloged. Remember, I had folders and I had them in catalogs. And when someone would send me one, I'd be like, let me find one that's bigger, and then I'd send them mine back and be like, mine's bigger. Nothing surprises me anymore about modern dating. Is it even called dating? Can you consider it to be dating? Because, like you said, is there an effort made? I want to embrace my female energy that we've all left behind because we all have to put freaking pants on and become the men to be able to become the women we're today. And now we're too strong, we're too abrasive, we're too, we have to embrace the feminine power and sit down and let a man plan and take you and bring you flowers, but they're not doing that because they kind of liked it while we were on the other side and they didn't have to do anything. So, what is dating today coming from someone that hasn't been on a date in five years? What was COVID? Oh yeah, oh five, six years? I haven't been on a date. That may change soon, but that's a story for another trip.
SPEAKER_00But like you went recently on a date. Yeah, the Canadian was so much fun. I was constantly resetting him through the conversation that we have. We need to have a date. That date could be drinks, could be copy, which I don't like because I don't want to completely sober look at you for the first time. Because I'm gonna scan you, and this is gonna be the end. You need to have the hopes that alcohol gives us. A little bit, right? I don't want to go on a dinner first time that I see you. I don't know me. No, not just drinks, wherever.
SPEAKER_02I have gotten up from tables because of how you hold your knife and fork. And one time I was on a date, and the dude said he didn't like cilantro, and I got up and I said, This will never work out. Threw some money on the table and I said, Thank you. I'm leaving. Wait, what are you doing? And I said, We can't see each other no more. You don't eat cilantro, yo soy dominicana. How is that ever going to work? I'm gonna have to pick things, I've won't be able to cook, you won't be able to eat. For you, it tastes like soap. For me, it tastes delicious. I could never date someone who did not eat cilantro. End of story. I should put it on my dating profile then and there. So, absolutely 100% with you. First dates, first meeting should never be with food. You need to see how you need to assess the situation. A drink, coffee is acceptable, yes, because then you can get up and go, right? One drink is acceptable when you have other plans and you can be, yeah, great to meet you, whatever. I used to date here, yes, where I would go have a date, and then I meet you afterwards so that we could talk about it. But he thought that you wanted for him to plan a meal or something because he thought that you were after money, which is ridiculous. Because all men think, no, I'm sorry, not all men. Men think that all women are gold diggers. For me to dig your gold, cabron, you have to have gold. You you've got to furnish your watch. You can't just be making like $2,000 a month and be like, oh gold digger. Of what? Of your unpaid Netflix bill, your electricity. What the hell? Am I wrong? Okay, so I take it that the Canadian's out of the picture.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So basically, he just thought that I'm very demanding. But you're no, you're not. You just have expectations of what a demand is. And I was like, I'm sorry if you look at it that way. I just have certain expectations at this point, which I do not think that they are massive. And it's great when you know what you want, and of course what you don't want, and it makes it easier for everybody. So yeah, yeah, I'm looking for a man who is not gonna be frustrated with the fact that I wanna dress, be pretty, be picked up. Oh, I wanna be court, I wanted somebody to try to woo me. Yes, that would be a lot late.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. That got lost, and and it's not ever coming back with what's happening now with young people and stuff, it's never gonna come back. I don't think so.
SPEAKER_00So I think that we should start looking in the senior retreat a couple of nights ago when we were after dinner.
SPEAKER_02I wanted to catch your attention so that you could see how I look with the grandpa next time. At least Winsley had money. That I think, not to blame technology on everything, but I think everything shifted the moment cell phones and internet were at the palm of your hands. Absolutely, right there, absolutely instant gratification, swipe on people as if back and forth, only focus on three lines and a picture that you and I most know could be a picture from 20 years ago. Because at least my pictures were always up to date, and what is what you get, versus you showing up and saying, I'm sorry, where's your son?
SPEAKER_00Usually the topic that is out there is that men are the ones who are being deceived with the filter pictures and all that. Nobody's putting out there that we as females are also going through that constantly.
SPEAKER_02It's safe to say. So I put a little filter on and you meet me, and I don't look the same. It's not the same as me going on a date with a man that could potentially drug me, that has anger issues, that comes to the date with bad intentions, if you even plan the date. I'm trying to think. Of effort, not the same as meeting someplace. Let's meet for drinks at this, and then you meet. Actual effort that I went and I put you up and this and that, and we did. I I'm gonna take you out on a date on a proper date where I don't know anything. Maybe Hollywood, maybe the movies have ruined that for us. We're just wear something pretty and I'll pick you up, and you're like, oh my god, I'm so excited. Because look, when I plan a date, oh yeah, yes, I do it all. Yeah, I know I researched which is why the best dates you can ever have come from your girlfriends.
SPEAKER_00Look, do you know how many times I also took men on dates? And I paid food service. I come, I pick up, I tell him it's casual or it's elegant or this and then the reservation is there. I know in the place where we want to sit. Yeah, but because that's also because you're a planner.
SPEAKER_02You would do that. Yes, that's you. Yes. I don't think I would take it to that point of knowing where, but you, yes. If you after this, we go to lunch. I know you're gonna know exactly where we're going, what we're eating, what we're drinking, which table we're sitting at, what we're facing, what's gonna happen, because you've already planned it in your head, and that's a personality trait, and it's something fantastic. And I think as women, we tend to have a bit more of that than males, I think. I feel that we have that little planning thing, and maybe it's because we take care of other people, and you know, lives depend on us, and that you always think ahead.
SPEAKER_00But is that what you would want? Yeah, for someone to just to do that for me. That's why I enjoy it. For example, when you do something for me like that, I completely let go, and I'm just going with the because I have excellent taste. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02It has to pull you know what? I'm not, I'm and you're gonna hate me for saying this. And I know some of our Serbian girlfriends are going to hate me for saying this, where uh our friendiness, who has always told me Serbian men don't date, they don't know how to date. But I went on tons of dates, and it was really funny because they knew I was a foreigner, so they knew as a foreigner I dated, so they would actually ask me out on dates, but I did go out on a lot of dates. Did they turn into second and third dates? No. Was there anything past that? No. But did they know how to properly ask out and plan? Yes. Thank television and the fact that I'm a foreigner. Thank you, Serbian guys, for all the restaurants. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00There's one thing that I was thinking about, and I think that maybe we could put it out there. What is the one thing you completely refuse to compromise on at this stage?
SPEAKER_02No money, no money, not having your own house, not having your bills paid, not not being comfortable. No.
SPEAKER_01Never will happen.
SPEAKER_02Oh, another one. No therapy. I cannot be with anyone that no non-therapies.
SPEAKER_00So the the the people generally who immediately say, I do not need therapy, I'm fine. Yeah, you know that there is something behind. And that's but you money to pay for therapy, so they come. Absolutely, yes. And I go with that. Some people will do it, some people will not, because they don't feel comfortable about it, but they will find a way which is gonna be therapeutic for them to actually resolve certain issues and move forward. People who are not, that is not a therapy. That is more like you need to be self-aware and do the work on yourself. How you're gonna do it, it's on you. Figure it out, find a way that's perfectly fine. When it comes to the money, it's not about your security because you are secure by yourself. One day you're traveling all over the world and you are not traveling in the economy. Let's be honest. What I think that is behind that financial security and stability is the fact that will guarantee you that he will not be threatened and feel insecure next to you at a certain point because that is a very unattractive trait when it comes to men for us. Yes. That's why he needs to be.
SPEAKER_02No, but you're right. No, I yeah, it has to do with that. I can't small egos, big egos. I can't. I'm at the stage in my life where I chose not to have children. So why are you putting me in a position where I have to educate you? I shouldn't have to, no woman should have to. Unless you're both in your 20s and whatever. You come in a relationship as equals, so why should you, Snejana, be dating a guy that you need to teach him where the knife goes when you're setting a table? Why? Is it because that person didn't receive the same education? Then that person will never see the life the same as you. And I think that we just shouldn't compromise anymore. Even if it means not finding partnership, not finding companionship, because we can find companionship in our friends, in our girlfriends, with our animals, with ourselves. I'm not willing to sacrifice a number of things just so that I'm not alone. Because I'm never gonna be alone.
SPEAKER_00Yes. What I also found it very useful for me to share, I can tell you the story because then I hear myself out loud. You will give me your point of view and your opinion, which is highly appreciated, right? We should make decisions on our own and deal with the consequences of these decisions on our own. Sometimes speaking out loud, I'm in this situation and this is happening. The moment you start speaking, you realize, oh my God, what I'm doing right now, I need to stop. So it is very important to find a way to share it with whoever you feel comfortable to share. Yes. For example, this episode reaches females who are maybe in the similar situation. And I think that if we all went through the similar situation, they would love to share because that would be awesome. This could be like a certain community where everybody feels safe and they can share without judgment, and we all made mistakes and we learned from those mistakes. And in majority cases, we did not learn from those mistakes because we repeated them.
SPEAKER_02I'm not gonna lie, I did go out on a couple of dates where people sat there watching me eat. The first time I felt really bad. The second time I was like, I guess this is a thing. I didn't have lunch, and then after that, I was like, all right, you drink your soda water and watch me eat. Because if you can't afford to take a girl out on a date, don't take it to an expression breast part. Just invite me out for a coffee, slice of pizza, why you're all right? Okay, so it would be great also if we could share. What's your funny story is there?
SPEAKER_00Because you have to see the I don't think that this is gonna fit one episode. This is gonna be a topic that we are gonna revisit.
SPEAKER_02We have to because I may have a date when I go back home and you're still dating. So we are gonna we're gonna share will eat my make me eat my words.
SPEAKER_00I doubt it, but but yes, so we're gonna pick it up in the near future. In the meanwhile, people can listen to the episode on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, they can find us on socials on TikTok and Instagram, YouTube as well. We will try to keep it up and make sure that we are there and we are available, and they can always DM us. So, yeah, we would love that. Slide into our DMs because no one else is.
SPEAKER_01There you go.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, this was fun. It's fun. Is it time for a drink? What time is it? Yeah, we can have a drink. Okay, we're gonna end this now, and we are gonna have our drink. Let's go have a drink.