Peptides, PEDs, and the Stuff People Whisper About - Steroid Protocols and Body Optimization

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In this episode, Nathan and Aubrey delve into the complexities of anabolic steroids, protocols, and the practical considerations for bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts. They share their expert opinions on drug stacking, common mistakes, and optimizing health while using performance-enhancing substances.

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00:00 - Welcome and episode overview on steroids and body optimization
02:34 - The pitfalls of copying steroid stacks and creating personalized protocols
05:00 - Combining drugs: cortisol reducers and their effects during fat loss
07:10 - Growth hormone water retention, hand pain, and dosage adjustments
10:00 - Injection protocols: subcutaneous versus intramuscular for GH and testosterone
13:30 - Monitoring your body's response and making incremental protocol modifications
16:00 - Common mistakes: skipping hygiene, failing to rotate injection sites
19:00 - Front-loading with orals: risks versus benefits during different phases
21:30 - Blood work and individual response testing for safe stacking
23:00 - The importance of systemized monitoring and side effect management
25:30 - Risks of starting PEDs early without experience or guidance
28:00 - Psychological considerations: controlling expectations and avoiding reckless experimentation
30:30 - Final advice on drug safety, personal experimentation, and professional guidance

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome, you guys, to another episode of the Optic Cast with me, Nathan.

SPEAKER_02 0:02

And me, Aubrey.

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Where today we're talking about some of the stuff, the juicy shit that you guys actually enjoy talking about, which is drugs. Are we talking about peppies? Are we talking about PDs? We're talking about anabolics, we're talking about traveling with shit. We're just, you know, answering all the questions that clients have sent to me. Um, I have a few of those. Um, I think you guys are going to enjoy this episode a lot. Um, let's start with the first question here. As you guys are uh, you know, clicking subscribe, clicking to get notifications, already typing in a comment, you know, doing all of the good stuff at in-house stuff. Let's get Aubrey here to read our first question, which by the way, I already answered this shit because I had an issue with like technical issues. I had so many technical issues today, like literally onboarding multiple clients and none of them like automatically went through as it's supposed to, and I just had to fix all of this shit by myself. It was just so fucking difficult. But it got done. So I I we already started recording this video. I had to stop recording the video and then re-restart working the video. So let's just let's just fucking rip it, guys, because uh this one is a difficult one, apparently. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

What's your opinion on taking SLU PP332 on and before vacation/slash travel trips? Is it possible that it could help me not put on extra fat while consuming a few more calories? How does this affect my growth phase?

SPEAKER_00 1:19

So I actually think this is a very interesting question. A lot of people's first um, you know, um knee-jerk reaction here would be to say no. That's stupid. I don't think it's stupid. I think if there is a way that you can raise your expenditure by a significant amount to then be able to afford an extra few hundred calories every single day or a few thousand calories every single day, I think that would be amazing. The problem is SLU doesn't really do that. Like, if it did that, once you added it in, you would notice so much fat loss. But in reality, you don't. It's it's it's I in my opinion, it's weaker than clambuterol. So the only thing that you notice is that you get hotter. Cardio is easy as fuck, and you don't get tired as often. Like that's what you feel. Like, I don't know how that would help you on a trip, but you know, in order to prevent uh, you know, fat cells, I actually played with uh yohimbean before because of how it acts directly in the fat cells in your in your and uh it did not work. Like I think these I I I believe um, and I I had a conversation with Mike White about this. I think these fat burners, like they really help a lot. But like Clembuterol, I don't think it's raising your metabolism by 20%, like we see in the studies. I think maybe like a 5% increase, that's crazy. That's like really, really wild. And when you like combine all of these fat burners and stuff, I think maybe you get like a 10% increase. But that's considering that your metabolism also downshifts when you're in a diet phase. So like the amount that you're getting out is like just what it should be if calories in, calories out was in fact real. Um, or not real, but if it was the only variable, the only thing you have to account for, and you don't have to account for metabolic adaptation in a diet, you know. So I don't really see the this working. I tried it when I when I went on vacation last time, I brought SLU and I took it the entire time, and uh I did gain fat. I ate a lot of fat, which was like planned, but like SLU didn't help. I don't think so. Hey, I got I got really fat in a week. So I don't I don't really see the point of this. I'd much rather you just be a little bit more mindful. You know, you're a client, so you have access to the travel optimized course in our community. There are some courses that are only for clients inside the community, but like I think that you would uh benefit more from learning those skills of learning how to travel and how to, you know, get good food choices and all this type of stuff, calorie bank your way around, you know, special occasions and things like that. I think that would be much more valuable and a little less risky because if you're just trusting the drug and then you wake up next week and you realize, oh, I put on 10 pounds, it's too late. Now that's gonna take you six weeks to get rid of. So I don't I don't think it's worth it.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Why does GH cause hand pain? My hand pain seems to be worst around my wake-up time, approximately nine hours after I inject it.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Yeah, so there are several reasons. I actually have a deep dive on GH coming out. Uh I just put out the the deep dive on fucking secretagogs. But uh there are several reasons for this. But in in general, just to be brief here, the water retention is what's causing it. It's pressing against the nerves, and then that's what's causing this pain, the carpal tunnel, the nerve pain, but like joint pain is a common side effect of growth hormone because of this water retention and how it's like moving your nerves a little bit. So it's uh the the solution for this is just to lower the dose. Add in a couple of supplements that I like to have in place for nerve signaling and and nerve health. Um, and then uh perhaps some supplements um there are out there, um, like um forgot the name of it, but there's a there are a couple of supplements that can actually reduce your pain signaling so you don't feel it as much because there's nothing bad like morphologically happening to your tissue. So there's no risk in you just not feeling pain. I just wouldn't use like a pain medication for it. I also wouldn't use like a diuretic for this. Like I just lower the dose. And uh if that doesn't solve it, you split the dose. So actually you split the dose first, and then if that doesn't solve it, you lower the dose. So having split dosing is usually a little bit easier on the body. So like if you did four units before bed and you're getting pain, maybe do one unit before bed, one unit before you uh like after you wake up, one unit before your training, one unit after your training. Now, does this mean the protocol become more complex? Yeah, you're doing four fucking injections. It's significantly more complex. So not everyone can actually adhere to this. So for that reason, sometimes I just reduce the dose altogether. And then when the sides subside, that's when we're able to then push the dose a little bit, which for most people, it's about half a milligram every three weeks. I was of the mind that one mil, sorry, one unit a week was um enough to like enough time to be able to bump it up because that's how I respond. But for most people, like half a unit every three weeks is gonna be the way to go. Like if you're really pushing and you're really trying to raise the the growth hormone intake. But you also need to think like why you're taking growth hormone, because there's I like there's there are some reasons to bring the doses higher, but also like you can get a pretty good amount, like almost all of the like policies you get with like one unit, one and a half units for like a 200-pound male. So, like, don't use GH as a very expensive fat burner because it is like the most expensive fat burner that you can get. Well, not really, with the prices that people sell peptides for. It's actually so maybe do use GH for that. I don't know. Check the price list and then figure out what's the best decision for you.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

What are the pros and cons to subcutaneous versus intramuscular for GH and test? I was curious if the test is going to to half-life out before it gets in the bloodstream, if not injected properly via sub Q.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

So intramuscular is going to be faster, right? Like if you uh are absolutely fucking insane and retarded and uh you don't uh read my disclaimers and you don't follow my instructions and you just decide to do something stupid, like injecting insulins subcutaneous and seeing how long it takes to peak, and then injecting humolog intramuscular and seeing how long it takes to peak, you're gonna go hypo within a few seconds. Like that's how fast intramuscular hits for um, you know, peptides and things like that, like growth hormone. So, what I would do, like if if in a in a perfect world, I would inject subcutaneous in order to get a longer exposure of growth hormone during the night, which mimics the natural pulse during the night, even though it only happens in the first part of the night, uh, we want that like exposure over the long period of time. More time with an I levaded IGF 1 as well, which is good for our purposes, not for health and longevity, but for uh the purpose of putting on muscle, it's good. And then I would inject intramuscular prefacet cardio, but you have to wait an hour and a half. You have to wait 90 minutes. So if you are someone who like wakes up, take your GH, take your ephedrin, take your fucking him bean, take your clambutyrol, take your SLU, do all of this stuff, and then you wait because you're just doing chores around the house, or you're answering emails, answering client messages and stuff like that. And then you go for your cardio, it works. But for the majority of people, their schedule doesn't really allow for that. So they have to just wake up and do their cardio, or it's not gonna get done. For those people, like that's why for the majority of people, I just dose everything before bed. It just also makes life so much easier and you're not worried about these minute like things. Like, remember, I'm saying that like these things, like they're moving the lever, like maybe 5%. Uh, let's say that we move an injection for the morning before fasted cardio for fat utilization. Maybe it frees up fatty acids in your bloodstream to be used for energy and be uh oxidized. Maybe you're getting another 0.25, 0.5% of increase in fat mobilization. Um, and uh just gotta think about like how complicated that makes your life versus like how much you're getting out of that. Obviously, if you're like, no, I want to be an IFBB pro, I want to like do be the best and do all of this stuff, then you kind of gotta do what you gotta do. But I don't think it's still necessary to do something like that.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

But as far as sub Q versus intramuscular That's why I said the half-life. Okay. And for test, it's the same.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

For testosterone? So for testosterone, oh, I thought it was like a test. So for testosterone, it's gonna be the same thing, but you're gonna get less absorption in the sub Q. So you're gonna get less of a peak, but you're also gonna get less absorption. Also, with oils, you're gonna get lumps, and these lumps are gonna stay with you for the rest of your life. That's like an easy way to see if someone was natural, is just see like whether they have lumps, because you get lumps even when you're injecting intramuscular. So like it's it really does happen, and it's kind of unsightly whenever you get super lean. So I don't really recommend like going for sub Q. Some people can tolerate it, like especially females, when they do very small doses because like the concentration is so high compared to like the amount that they're using. They're using like three to five units, you know, on a syringe per day. I don't really think that's a big issue if it's done in MCT oil, but if it's done in something like castor oil, you so you gotta know where your gear is coming from. But if it's done in castor oil that's too thick, that's gonna delay the absorption of the ester even more, and you're losing a lot of the absorption. So you're probably gonna have to raise your dose if you swapped providers. And uh you're also gonna deal with the fact that you will for sure have lumps, even if the amount that you're injecting is low.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

I have a question.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

Yeah, what's up?

SPEAKER_02 10:24

Um for testosterone in a female.

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

With that is using PEDs, switching from taking it taking her test sub Q to taking it intramuscular when at the ta same time starting to take the PED intramuscular and then tracking the viralization to see what the if there is any.

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Might that be a conflicting data point if now she's both taking her test and her PED intramuscular, so she's absorbing more of the test and more quickly?

SPEAKER_00 11:04

Yeah, it's it's not it's not like it's so wild the absorption that now you get so much more, like that your, you know, your test levels, she she's talking about herself. That's what that's what we did with her. But like it's not like you were, you know, your blood work was like 60 for testosterone levels. It's not like now when we test it, it's gonna be 90. I'm talking about it's gonna be like 66. So it's a very minor increase. So like if you were to take five milligrams of anabroll, an anadrol versus taking eight milligrams of anadroll, you wouldn't see a difference in virilization. So in the same way, by just like increasing that a little more, you're not gonna see an increase in viralization. Now, you did see an increase in viralization just because your doses are for the first time ever in your life a proper cycle. So like you're actually doing a dose that is cohesive with your goals, but that's not coming from the fact that you're injecting intramuscular. Yeah, it's just the overall dose is higher. So, regardless, if we were injecting sub-Q, you would still be getting higher virulization because you're still getting higher compounds, regardless. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Um, how do you know what changes would need to be made with Reta protocol? What are you looking for here?

SPEAKER_00 12:15

I love the way you read the questions.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Well, I they're not written like I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

I don't know what changes would need to be made with RETA protocol. What are you looking for here? So, first I don't do RETA protocols. Like that's that's kind of like saying, what's your test protocol? That's just asking for your fucking dose and how long you're using it for. So, like, I don't I don't really do REDA only protocols. That's just part of your stack. Now, changes to dosing. First, with dosing patterns, I don't really make changes with dosing patterns. We all dose, like, dose it once to twice a week. Once a week if we're not taking anything else that's gonna speed up our metabolism, twice a week if we're taking something like T3 and we're also taking something like SLU or MOT C, things like that, because just we I seem to notice that I get hungry every like three days, as opposed to every seven days whenever I'm taking these other compounds. So I just think it's a it's a that's the only time that I make this adjustment. But I don't go any more frequent than twice a week because of glucagon. You do not want to constantly be stimulating glucagon. Now, with regards to the dose, the adjustments that I would make on the dose, they're all based on the feedback that I'm getting from the person, right? So if hunger levels are starting to increase, even though food choices are great, cardio is great, walks after meals are great. I'm not seeing a lot of constipation, still having one to three bowel movements a week, three to four in the Bristol stool chart.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

One to three a week?

SPEAKER_00 13:38

A day.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Okay, you said a week.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

I was like, oh cow. I hope people understood that without me having to say it. Um, but yeah, if you're if you're having all of those things, then I don't see a problem in raising the dose. But I would like to raise the dose conservatively, like after at least like four weeks, so we get stable serum levels in the blood before bumping the dose up. I've made a mistake of increasing the dose too fast before, and then once it hits you, it hits you all at once, and you're like, fuck, I can't eat now. So I'd much rather do this thing slowly. But that's basically what I'm looking for. And I I would also look for like blood work, because if it did the job that we wanted to do, like, so let's say I'm using it for like for fatty liver, or I'm using it for to just to fix your lipids in general. If that's fixed, then we don't need red anymore. So we start weaning off the retta and then titrating up the foods that we use that are higher in fiber, uh foods that absorbed a lot of water and things like that, basically using my cheat sheet that I use with my clients to help them select food choices. So that's basically how I go about the about Retta.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

Most common mistakes what are most common mistakes you've seen, heard of with people starting some kind of PDs? I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 14:47

Fuck, I I I probably should have written down because there's so many of these. What's the face?

SPEAKER_02 14:52

I'm just trying to think.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Yeah, so one of them is going to be to just copy someone else's stack. I see people doing that all the time because they don't know how to design protocols, which is why I created a course on how to design fucking protocols. Go get them, you piece of shit. So copying other people's protocols doesn't really work. It may work, it may very well work, it may work very well, it may also not work at all. You may also have horrible side effects. So if you were to copy my cycle right now, you'd be fucked. I know you'd be fucked. I know not a lot of people can tolerate that. So just like, if you want to see what it that's like, it's like, okay, start injecting 200 milligrams of testosterone a day and bump your GH to 12 units a day. I can do that going from TRT with no GH to that like this. So if you copy my stack because, like, oh, it's pretty aggressive, that's what he did to put on like 50 pounds or whatever. It's not gonna work for you. You're gonna get so many side effects from the testosterone alone, and the GH, you're not gonna be able to handle it for more than like two days. It's it's wild. You might you might be able to handle it for three, because you know, we see that in peaking protocols, but you're probably not gonna be able to hold it for longer. So that's one uh copying other people's stack because it's not made for your body, it's not made for your needs. The other one that I see is like, well, this is pretty classic, but front loading your cycle with orals. So back in the day, like the the idea was that as doses are going up, right? Like you inject testosterone today, it's gonna take about four or five weeks for this thing to be stable in your blood levels. So if it's on a graph, it's gonna go all the way up to here. Like on these first weeks, why don't we just add an oral so that we already start with this total amount, and then as this is raising, we just then continue to pick it up, pick it up from here and we take the orals out. Problem is front loading things with orals, you're basically putting a lot of stress on your liver out the gate, the same liver that will have to process all of your other drugs and all of your other supplements. So I feel like you're bottlenecking your own growth phase by front loading things with orals. I don't really see the a lot of value in doing that. I think it's a little bit risky. Now, um, I do see a place in having orals, even in the off season, unlike what some, you know, pretty influential people think, just because I'm going just based off of blood work, some people can tolerate them very well. And if they don't get side effects, I don't give a shit. I don't discriminate against drugs. I discriminate against people, but not against drugs. I discriminate, I discriminate against against races and entire ethnicities and uh religions, but I don't discriminate drugs. I discriminate against women. I'm just kidding again. I'm just kidding. Please do not ban me. Yeah, I can't even be monetized. But yeah, that's uh that's another one that I don't see the place for. The next one is gonna be to not know what are your doses. So, like, there is a there's a term for this that I forgot, obviously. But basically, you want to know how you respond to each drug before you add more drugs into the mix. So, like, the way that I do this thing, we start with about 20 milligrams of testosterone a day. We find what's your limit of testosterone after a certain amount of time. The point that you get side effects, that's your limit. You're not gonna use more testosterone than that. And then you can layer in a second compound. Say you found that your limit is 500 milligrams of testosterone a week. So now you can layer in a second compound, say EQ, and you layer in EQ at 200 milligrams a week, and you notice that your E2, your estradiol went from fucking 60 to 30. So you know that about 40, 50% EQ to your dose of testosterone is going to about reduce your E2 by about 50%. It's pretty useful information to have. And then you try Mastron and you see the same thing, same dose, and you see that it reduced it by only 20%. But let's say you didn't know that, right? And you also didn't try Primo, but then your next cycle, you started working with a new coach and they put you on Primo, Mastron, and EQ. Well, now you have the problem because you don't know how you respond to these drugs and you're adding all of them at the same time. So maybe it's going to crush your estrogen. It probably will crush your estrogen because you have the compounding effect of all of these three drugs acting on that estrogen. So that's another problem that I see is just people don't know how their body responds to things because they just start with cycles. They just, they just want to stack. But in reality, the beginning of your journey should be self-experimentation. It should be you coming to see how your body responds to different compounds. So, like if I'm doing a contest prep for someone, I'm gonna do several little like peak week mocks of just like carb loading, fat loading, front loading, back loading, trying some different compounds. I'll try Anadrol, I'll try Windstraw, I'll try superdrawl, I'll try like all these different things just to see how the body responds, pick one, and then that's what we're gonna roll with. But I don't pick like four and roll with that. So another issue is just obviously adding too many drugs. Have to, I don't think the total milligram argument is entirely valid anymore. This is something that I changed my mind on, but basically, you know, people are are saying that, like, hey, as long as you load, you know, three CCs on the syringe, I don't care what the fuck is in it, just give me because I need three CC's to grow, right? That's the idea. So as long as you get to say a thousand milligrams a week, you're gonna grow, regardless of what the compounds are. There's some truth to that, but I don't think all compounds actually in the real world respond in the same way. I think that people tend to respond better to certain compounds. Like you on Primo, really good. Like better than anything else that we tried. Obviously, the dose is higher, but still the response is just crazy when I look at the photos. For me, doing pretty fucking well with high test, man. Really, really freaking good. So I layer in less compounds of the other ones, but I'm not layering like five different compounds of very little milligrams. Because the idea is that you low, like load a lot of different compounds at lower milligrams, and that makes so that you don't get side effects from any and you still get the total milligram amount. There's some truth to that. There isn't a there's a point of diminishing returns though, because now your body has to process and metabolize multiple drugs, and that also is a signal and stress in your system. So you have to account for that. So adding too many compounds is gonna be a problem, but also having too few compounds, it's gonna be a problem as well, because you're gonna raise those too high. And then now you're just getting the side effects from that compound alone, when you could have just combined two different compounds at a different ratio, so to speak. I hate the word ratios when we're talking about protocols, but that's the idea. So those are some of the ones that I see. And then we also have the stupidity, right? The just flat out stupidity, which is not being not doing your antiseptic routine. So, like if you're not wiping yourself with uh alcohol swabs and uh, you know, you're reutilizing syringes, you know, Boston Lloyd, he used to name his own syringes uh and he used to use them until they were dull and he had to like force them in and all this type of shit. Had any issues. You got you got to think about it, right? Like, how many people are dying or or having serious health issues when they are injecting fucking heroin with the same fucking syringe and needle every single day? Like, we don't see a lot of reports of that in hospitals. So I'm assuming that the body's a little bit more resilient than we think it is. So, but I am choosing to opt for the safer side still. So if there is a 1% chance that I'm gonna get an infection, I kind of want to lower that to like 0.1%. Because an infection could literally destroy your muscle for the rest of your life. Like you get an abscess in your delt, you're going to have a hole in your delt for the rest of your life. Like it's not a risk that I really want to run. So it makes some people like, oh, I only want to inject in my glutes and stuff. And then they have these massive balls on their glutes from injecting in the same spot every single time. But that's going to be another one, injecting in the same spot every single time. It's really fucking stupid, which is hilarious. I had a client who was like, and my shoulders getting super swole and everything. And I was like, are you rotating your sights? And he's like, no. I'm like, let's do that. Let's let's start rotating our sights, which is obviously my fault because I didn't lay out that like from the get-go. But so I started laying out to people like my rotation. My rotation basically goes shoulder, shoulder, lat, lat, glute, glute, ventri glute, ventri glute. And then it goes back to shoulder. So it's less than one injection per spot a week, which is really good. It doesn't give me a lot of like crunches when I'm injecting, even though my shoulder still has some spots that I put it in and I feel like I'm ripping. It doesn't hurt, but you know when it just feels like you're ripping, you can almost hear it. It's really weird, but it doesn't, it doesn't hurt at all.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Don't scare these boys that are watching the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 23:11

Which is fine. If you're if you want to be injecting your body. Yes, they are. Yes, they are. That they absolutely are. And that pisses me off, man. It pissed me off so much. It's just a fucking needle, dog. It doesn't hurt. Every single time I pick a syringe, I think this is gonna hurt. Like, just being honest, I think it's gonna hurt every single time. You know what I do? As I'm having that thought, the needle goes in. Like it does, like I literally pull it out, the air is out, I just pull my skin and rip it. Like, don't think about stuff. Don't keep like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. I remember the first few times that I was injecting in my parents' house when I was a teenager. And I remember like shaking without any stimulants and just like putting it in and just like, and then like my body wouldn't let me put it all the way in. So I would just like go half in, and I'm like, like, do I inject all the way or not? And I'm like, don't do drugs as a teenager. That's the the first advice there. But that could be another mistake as well, is just starting PEDs too early, whenever you don't have the experience yet, whenever you don't know how to train, because I really fucked up my joints by training like a fucking idiot. Now I learned how to train very early on. That was one of the things that I wanted to become very good at, but still, I still made a lot of mistakes. And I don't think hopping on too early is the answer, unless you're pretty decided in on becoming a bodybuilder and you have the genetic potential for it. So, like, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that starting PEDs at 17, let's say 18, is going to be the worst mistake of your life because it didn't wait until you were 25. Like, no, like that's like seven years of PD use, and people look pretty different after seven years of taking a lot of anabolic steroids. So you could be competing at the national level, you could have your fucking pro card in your early 20s, uh, depending on how age, uh what age you you are. So I don't have a problem in working with younger people. I know some people do, but it's just something that you have to make a decision. And by the way, I have a series coming up that's gonna help you guys decide how, like whether you should use anabolic steroids or not. Like, is this a good idea? Is this not a good idea? I'm considering things that most people have not considered. I'm not gonna tease anything beyond this because I think it's pretty good. I literally haven't seen anyone ever talk about these things that I'm talking about, which is pretty standard. But I I think this one is gonna be a really good one for you guys who are considering doing PDs. But yeah, I think those are some of the stupid ones. Do you got any anything like off the top of your head? Mixing drugs that don't make sense. Like, think about like mixing, let's say you're doing just a phalloff phase, right? And you're mixing Windstraw and Trenbolone. Well, both of these are going to crush your cortisol. So, like, you don't need testosterone to live, but you do need cortisol to live. You die without cortisol. Like, good idea, bad idea, like good idea for a prep for a short period of time, but just for like a phalos phase to go to the beach, like people don't fucking notice that shit. You know, if you're like a half percent fuller, like just listen to podcasts of coaches talking about their like peaking protocols and stuff. People are ready a week out. Like the peaking protocol is just a tiny little bit of an increase. And it's also like where I where people fuck up the most because they're trying to get just a little bit better and then it overshoot. But you gotta understand that like that those drugs that are being put in at the end, they're not making a world of difference. So that's another one that um I would I would say as well, just mixing drugs that don't really make a lot of sense. Like you're you have a sensitive relationship with drugs and estradiol, and then you're stacking primo, mast, and eq, not really a good idea. Or if you like respond very well like badly to a lot of um water retention or acne and you're stacking a bunch of 19 Norse. Or if you like to have sex and you're stacking like DECA and Trenbalone together, um not gonna happen, bud. You're gonna get a limp dick. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

Um, I was gonna say the only thing I can think of is people that would start them without having the capability of tracking things, like how they're feeling, how they're doing, how their sleep is, how they're whatever, their symptoms. Because if you're taking something that could potentially mess with the way that you you know, your emotions and like how you think and how you feel on a daily basis your sleep, and you don't know how to pay attention to your body and observe those things, then you're gonna you're not gonna notice until you've kind of crashed.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

And and then that's harder to come back from.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

So I feel like I would say I would say for the majority of people it's impossible to come back from. I literally talk to people like this every single day that they don't so I'm glad you brought this up because I'm I'm big on this and I I don't know how I missed it. But whenever you don't have a system, you don't even have a method, like you're just doing this thing, like sometimes people don't even have protocols, they're just buying drugs, like, oh yeah, I ran out of this one. So I think I'm just gonna add this now for a few weeks, like just do like six weeks of this or whatever. And I just want to punch these people's fucking noses because I'm like, what are you doing? You're literally changing every single relationship in your body of how these things interact, and you think it's just gonna be a walk in the park where you just do whatever and like the results follow and you don't get any sides. Like drugs do what drugs do. There is no such thing as a side effect, drugs only have effects. So if you don't even understand how drugs work, so that's a whole entire fucking problem. If your whole knowledge just comes from Reddit and YouTube, you're fucked. You're you're fucked. You you don't know what you're doing. Now, are there some exceptions of people who learn really well from YouTube? Yes, they are, they exist. Also, I don't know a lot of people who spend hours a day taking notes off of Vigorous Steve's videos. I did that. I don't know a lot of people who did that. So I'm saying it just in general, for people, it's a stupid idea to just go off of that knowledge. But then you also need to have your methodology, which is going to be the order of deployment and arrangement of things, and then a system to monitor your methodology, which is different than the methodology. If you don't have these things, I think you're fucked. Yeah. I think you're you're just not gonna be able to monitor and control things, which all of the things that we talk about go back to control, just being able to like monitor and then intervene. Also, if you don't know the interventions. Like, I have a lecture on you know fixing your sleep on trend balone. So people assume that you're just gonna have shitty sleep and there's nothing you can do about that. There is. There is. Like about Anadrol and appetite suppression, like there's about 11 different things that you can do, as a matter of fact, because there's 11 different mechanisms that it fucks up your appetite. So if you don't know how to do these things, if you don't know how to deal with every side effect that's coming from that drug, you have no business touching it. So that's that's another thing. If you don't have the guidance of yourself or someone else who's smarter than you, I don't, I really wouldn't touch it. Like for myself, like I talked about this before, but like the my main mistake, if I could go back in time, the first thing that I would do is to get a coach that's like aligned very well with my own, you know, methods and and beliefs and things like that from early on. And I'm not trying to sell coach you or anything like that. I'm just I'm literally saying, like, you guys, you're you're making a pretty big decision here. You're you're doing shit with your body that like sometimes might be irreversible. You're not gonna feel when your kidneys are failing. You're not gonna feel when your liver's fucked. Like you're just gonna get blood work one day and you're gonna be like, what the fuck do I do with this? You see a bunch of reds and you Google, hematocrit is high, what do I do? Iron is low, what do I do? Oh, thyroid is down, what do I do? Like, you're just treating all of these things as separate topics, which is exactly what westernized medicine does. So if you are one of these idiots who's just looking at individual markers on a lab panel and trying to fix them individually without having a system that connects all of these markers, you have no business talking shit about doctors because you're also just patching symptoms. You're not treating the root cause because you don't understand it. So that's gonna be a pretty major one, actually. Yeah. Good point.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

Do you ever have any issues with transporting lots of supplements to another country?

SPEAKER_00 30:57

As long as they are legal, as long as they are approved in both countries and you're bringing them in moderate quantities as approved by the leading organizations who prioritize our good and our well-being and our health above all, I think you're gonna be fine. That's my public answer. If you guys want my private answer, ask me that on my community, and then I'll give you my private answer. But in general, don't be fucking retarded, and you're gonna be fine. Yeah. So that's it for today, guys. Uh, do you have any other like thoughts or questions or things to add? No. So this is where we end today. Really excited for the interview that we're bringing up the this week on uh Friday. So you guys stay tuned for that and for another episode of the Coach's Brain every Monday and QA's every single Wednesday. Send your questions our way so we have more shit to talk about and blab on. And uh subscribe, like, share, send it to people who are fucking retarded with their supplements and send it to people who want to use drugs just to prevent fat gain because they don't know how to eat. I love you guys. Peace out. Jesus loves you. Uh, don't do drugs. Bye.