Improving the Customer Experience with Retention Express Founder Bobby Thomson

Are you thinking about ways to strengthen your car wash by addressing customer service issues? Have you been looking for solutions to lower your churn and keep members happy? Check out this episode with Retention Express CEO and founder Bobby Thomson.

Bobby shares with Lanese about the service Retention Express offers car wash owners, which focuses on addressing customer concerns through a white label call service that documents and addresses customer concerns. Listen in to hear how this kind of service can help you grow your business and maximize your valuations.

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SPEAKER_02 0:25

Hi, I'm Lenise Barnett, Vice President of Business Development and Amplify Car Watch Advisors, and your host of CarWatch MA, the podcast. Here we'll take a deep dive into the current mergers and acquisitions activity of the CarWatch industry, with the goal of keeping CarWatch owners informed on where the market is today and where it's going tomorrow so that you can make informed decisions about your business. We'll help you answer the question: should I sell my car wash now? Or should I enter growth mode and really scale my operation? Each month, I'll speak with industry experts who will share practical advice on how to sell or scale your car wash. While the industry is undoubtedly changing, what remains constant is the need for solid information so you can evaluate where you are and chart the course for the future of your business. Welcome to Carl M ⁇ A's podcast. This is episode five. Today we have our guest, Bobby Thompson, who's coming to us from Retention Express. And Bobby has a long experience prior to that with ATT working in call centers. And we really feel that Bobby has such an amazing company that helped address some real pain points for car wash operators and worked with their customer experience programs and solutions. So without me putting words in your mouth, Bobby, tell us a little bit about your background and specifically about Retention Express and what you're doing for car wash owners.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

No, absolutely. Love car washing. It's a great vertical, great industry, great people. My background at ATT advertising was in sales and in leadership in sales for 12 years. And in a very similar model, because we're talking about MA here, our $2 billion division got acquired by a private equity group. And when they came in, they were really wondering why we were turning millions of dollars every month. And we didn't have any data, we didn't have any real insight because we were a legacy company. We had four different regional uh companies back into one as ATT, and none of them communicated to each other. And so when that private equity group came in and they wanted the data to understand why people didn't want to keep doing business with us, we had to put in a retention call center. And I got asked to lead a national retention call center to really understand why people didn't like doing business with us, why they were leaving, what issues could we solve as a company, right? And on top of that, the goal for driving a high-level customer experience is really empowering people to make a decision when people have issues at that time. And we were very poor at it as a big $2 billion organization. And that was one of the key things that we solved. So we had a big team, we inbounded all customers that wanted to cancel, who had issues, and we were empowered to fix it. We were empowered to provide refunds, we were empowered to really just make it a high level of customer experience and give them an outlet and a platform of actually talking to our brand, which we all know in car washing is also very difficult. We had the same problems at ATT. In reality, if the problem existed in a $2 billion company, of course, it's going to exist in small, you know, operators or even medium-large operators within car washing. So that background ATT led into down the road, I had a role in consulting with car washing, and the light bulb went off for me. And I realized in that consulting of the car wash owner and operator going through a high growth mode, they were not responding back to customers in a proper manner. They're running high churn. And I'm like, I think I've done this before and I know how to solve this problem.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

Yeah, this sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_04 4:08

This sounds very familiar. And at that point, which was, you know, a little over a year ago, I had the company Retention Express created. And we are a car wash specific company trying to help owner and operators, not only in the current state, but more importantly, even on a post-MA acquisition. And what I've learned going through ATT and what I've learned to date of working with current private equity groups in the car washing industry is when you go through an acquisition, there's a lot of steps that have to happen before and after to make the customer experience at the high level. And as we know, customers get a little bit out of been out of shape if new names come in, new owners come in, you're gonna raise my pricing.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

There's a ton of just questions that members will have, and it's all about how you communicate with them. And that's that's the key thing, and everything we're talking about is really communication. You got to have good internal communication to solve issues. You got to have good external communication to your customers, and you gotta allow that path to open up to make them feel like you are listening as a company to their concerns, good, bad, and different, right? Canceling memberships or buying memberships. We sort of do it all.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Gosh, there's so much great stuff that you just shared. A couple of things that really stick out for me is the word empowered. And that's what your goal is to be empowered, to act on the behalf of your customers, which are these car washing owners, to solve their problems, which is also empowering their customers by feeling that sense of accomplishment that they had a question or concern, that they made one phone call and it is resolved. I've heard you say that the phrase first call resolution, and that that's a really big goal to listen to their problems and have a solution right then and there to fix it and they leave happy. And then you've also closed that ticket and closed that that item that it's not rolling over, it has to go to someone else. Of course, not everything will be solved this way. I'm sure that there's outliers, but what a great thing to get that resolution through empowerment.

SPEAKER_04 6:17

Yeah, and kind of just elaborate on what you're talking about, right? Like we are uh white labeled, which means we operate underneath the car wash owner their name. We operate underneath their brand. And the empowerment doesn't come from me or my company. The empowerment comes from these owner and operators because what our goal, like you mentioned, is first call resolution. What we don't want is all this back and forth, back and forth. Hey, owner, customer called in because they got billing issues. Can you help? He doesn't have time to then follow up with us and then for us to follow up with the customer. We want to solve it right there on the phone with the customer. So we build a custom playbook with every owner and operator. And in the onboarding process, we will talk about what we are empowered to do. If customer calls in with X problem, how do you want us to solve it? If customer has X billing issue, how do you want us to solve that? So we're working within their guidelines, and then we have an escalation path with the owners and their team of how we would actually, if we need additional help outside of those parameters, we're going to escalate issues up to them to get additional insight. That way they're fully involved with any complaints that we're trying to make happy or any longtime billing issues that are just now getting, you know, recognized by the consumer and they feel like they're owed a whole bunch of money on a refund.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

You know, we help solve and you know really work to a win-win solution at every level we can. And the best way to create a high-level customer experience is to create a first call resolution. People don't have time, you know, for a $30 membership to call you back eight times. They don't want to do that. And if you put them in that position to do it, there's only one loser in that situation, it's going to be your brand because that's going to lead to negative reviews. It's going to lead. They're not going to come back, right? And we know MA in this space is very live and very active. If there's ever a time in the industry that it has to get better at treating their customers, now is the time because there's plenty of people who are recognizing, hey, we're growing our memberships at a high level. But with that comes a big responsibility that you have to support that member uh model too. So we come in, we take all that off the owner's plate, we take it off the manager's plate, we inbound everything to us 24-7. We open up all channels, you know, for a consumer to communicate to that brand, not only through a phone call, which gets forwarded into us, but email. We open up two-way live chat, we open up texting, you know, we can do social media through private messaging when people reach out. We have the ability to communicate that. And the beautiful thing is we're all about, you know, not only first call resolution, but identifying what the backdoor really looks like for the owner and operator. The backdoor is really arguably the biggest black hole of unknown that each owner and operator really doesn't know how big it is. And that's one of the few things that we've learned very quickly is when we intake everything 24-7, we're capturing every bit of customer interaction. And we don't solve anything until we've solved the issue. And that volume is very high. And you know, Lanise, we know talking to owner and operators, their managers don't have time to pick up the phone. They don't have an hour and a half to, you know, respond back to 40 emails that want to cancel or have questions, or, you know, pick up the phone in a live setting at eight o'clock in the morning to 11 o'clock in the morning to three o'clock, four o'clock, five o'clock. We inbound over, you know, we have live agents on East Coast and West Coast, but we would inbound that over a 13-hour period. So we're working a lot longer hours, probably than most owners are open because we're on the East Coast. We operate in five time zones from Alaska down to Florida and everything in between. So we have agents always working.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

And even if somebody was large enough on a on a car wash chain level to have a staff in-house, that's few and far between. And that still is a lot of work for someone to take on. And the reality is that most car wash owners and most car wash multi-sites don't have somebody in-house. So you're right, these are either really taking a lot of time burden on the managers or on the on-site staff who are having to absorb these complaints or issues, or especially when it comes to monthly plans and all of those types of things, if they're absorbing that. And then that's taking away from what they really want to do, which is process cars, focus on the in-store car wash aspect of it. But we can't ignore that our customers, especially as the digital revolution has evolved, that they want on-demand services. They want live chat, they want responses on social media. And if you don't do that, you're just really leaving such an opportunity to connect with them in a way that they're looking to connect with you.

SPEAKER_04 11:12

Correct. And you bring up a couple of valid points on what you're talking about, right? There are owner and operators that may hire somebody to do this. The issue that we found out is you may hire somebody, but you're only doing it part-time, right? They're doing it part-time hourly, and they may be doing it Monday through Friday. But car washes are not closed on the weekend.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

They're very active on the weekend. And if they're if they're open, they almost expect you to be open too. And we know on the weekends on site, they're super busy. They're, you know, car counts go up and they have more staff doing a lot more things. They're definitely not going to take the time to do it. Even if you have somebody in-house, you're kind of limited on 40 hours, maybe at most, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Right.

SPEAKER_04 11:52

And the thing about us is we have a full team and network that we actually support that model of being open 13 hours, seven days a week. So all these tickets that come in through the weekend, they're not just building up over Friday night, Saturday, Saturday night, Sunday, and Sunday night. That volume right there is then waiting for their people on Monday, or the owners, or the managers. And I promise you, that is a ton of time to solve just to get caught up from the weekend. And it really will take the problem until Wednesday for them to not only catch up from the weekend, but to just get caught up, if they're lucky, from Monday and Tuesday. So what happens is they they're delayed in calling people back, right? They may not call them back, they're delayed in responding by email, or they may not respond back by email. All that contributes to very poor customer experience. And guess what? That cycle happens every week. And it's like a constant hamster wheel that they're never getting caught up on. And that's one of the things that we do. And I thought I was gonna be off Sunday too. When I created a company, my goal was, hey, we're not gonna work on Sunday, but our volume is just too great coming in on the weekend. And we're really helping owner and operators just keep that experience ongoing every single day and making it the first call resolution to clean up the volume.

SPEAKER_02 13:10

It's a retail business. You're right. The holidays and the weekend are the busiest time because that's when the car wash customer is available to go do the things that they're doing when they're not at work. And so you're so right that there's that need to have this service and not let it go on because the longer time that goes on, the more upset the retail car wash customers can potentially be because now they haven't heard anything, still on their list. And that's a real pain point for them and for the car wash owners. And so thinking back about meeting you in June of 2021, we were at the Car Wash Show, the Southwest Car Wash Convention in Fort Worth, and I had given a talk on customer service. And at the end of it, you came up and asked for my notes. And while I was very flattered, it gave us an opportunity to connect and to hear about what you were then launching. And I distinctly remember hearing about that from you and just thinking, wow, what a great service to offer. Because on my on my car wash operations experience level, I've been on the other side of this and been the person that's answering the phone calls and that's responding to customers and customer emails and a lot of the inbound things that the store levels didn't have the time for, or wasn't their area of expertise and coming from a communications background, that's more my wheelhouse. That said, it was really, really difficult to manage that and not feel like you're behind all the time. So I recognize then that you're onto something. And then keep going down the road now, a year into it. It's been a really exciting lot of Amplify ventures to continue to address these pain points that CarWatch operators are experiencing or find innovative solutions to help them maximize their same store sales because maximizing those same-store sales means that they're worth more, that it's raising their value of their business for whatever they're looking for in the future. And I love that through our connection that we can align our goals in helping Car Watch owners maximize the value of their business, alleviate those pain points, and raise the level of customer service and customer experience that our end user consumers are expecting from us as an industry.

SPEAKER_04 15:29

Yeah, no doubt about it. There's so much opportunity. And you're right, going back to last June, you know, when I was coming into the market, I'm just trying to learn everything I can. And you're obviously very professional, you got very, you know, good contacts in industry. You've been, you know, on the operator side as well, too. So for me, trying to learn even more outside of working in that big consulting role was how big was this problem, you know, in the space. And that show was really my introduction into car washing from a business standpoint. The market feedback at that show was very positive, and it just really kept building momentum all the way, you know, into taking, you know, our first customer September, right? So less than a year, we now operate in over 20 states. We now operate over five time zones, and we have agents built up on the West Coast and East Coast. And to be honest, there's a lot of opportunity for us, and that's where our partnership comes in how do we help more and more people create this high-level customer experience. But more importantly, I know you and I know Pavone and you know the whole team. What we also create and drive are data and insights, right? Everyone is talking about data in a lot of different ways. We are very much a high-tech call center that on every call that comes in, every email, we're documenting why people are calling in, what their issues were, and how do we solve it. That's really the gist of what we're trying to accomplish. And we're trying to do it fast, but also that feeds into a dashboard for our owner and operators, and it gives them insights, right? So in a way, it's like we're, you know, we can look at kind of the healthiness of a brand or of a location because if there's any negative feedback coming out of the consumer's mouth, right? We're the voice of the customer. We relay that back to the owner and operator so they're aware and they have the ability to go fix issues before that issue can really compound. We've had, you know, some case studies that we're tracking very deeply right now. We've had case studies where operators are getting 1,700 calls in the first month that we take on, which means we're taking a lot of extra issues at the very beginning. And we've been able to reduce volume by 60%. And part of that is we we stabilize the volume of the customers over a period of time that they're not having to call back in two, three, four, or five times. And that's part of the issue with owner and operators is when they can never catch up, it's the constant hamster wheel of going the same thing over and over and over. And we know if you keep doing the same thing over and over, we know what that really means. You got to change something, right? That's the definition of I think insanity. And more importantly, the goal of every owner and operator to increase their value within the business, right, is to grow memberships. I haven't talked to any owner and operator that wants less members. They want more. And the more members that you bring on through acquisition on the front end, the more responsibility you have to serve them. But at the same time, that backdoor of turn, when people want to leave, we want to make the exit as clean as possible, as easy as possible, and they leave on the highest note of the brand that they can leave on because you want the ability to win these people back. Because we know not every customer is canceling because they've moved.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Right. Yeah, they're not all moving.

SPEAKER_04 18:50

They're people that wreck the cars and don't even know that we can transfer memberships, right? Our goal is to extend billable revenue, right? The value of a customer, you know, in general in lifetime is maybe eight months of a customer, right? So we want to preserve that customer as long as possible because that adds value back to the owner and operator. We also take the approach of when 50 to 60 percent of all the calls coming in are not members, but they're retail. We take the opportunity to extension of the brand that is a gold mine, and there's a lot of people that go, hey, I'm new to the area. Can you tell me about your price plans? Right. We are answering those issues. We're actually an extension of the brand. We're going through the value proposition for what the owner and operators include within the membership. We explain clearly how the membership works. We explain clearly that is a recurring charge, right?

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Right, right. Because that's another thing nobody told me.

SPEAKER_04 19:48

Look, our case studies, we've we've had operators who've had that problem with their employees. The employees were not telling customers properly of the membership details. They're telling it's like a 30-day plan because they're getting paid to commission on the very first month. And that has led into a huge churn for some of these operators, and that's data points that we understand very quickly because when you have a hundred calls that come in and they all tell you the same thing, there's a coaching problem that needs to go back into the market to go, hey, we need to retrain these employees, or maybe we got a few bad apples who are just selling it the wrong way. And we need to make sure that we're our brand is being protected because there's only one loser in that situation, which is gonna be the owner and operator. If you if you get a discount on month one and you pay a commission and you can't convert that customer into a renewal of month two, if not month three, who's losing that situation?

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:42

It's a bad deal, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Right.

SPEAKER_04 20:44

And we we we want to help address that. And we work very well with owner and operators. We communicate very well, and you know, our collaboration of just trying to help them get a good understanding because we're capturing the data and data tells a story, and is what you do with that story that you can improve your operations to get better and better. And that's the key thing right now for owner and operators is how do we really improve operations?

SPEAKER_02 21:08

Right. And through the process you're that you're talking about with onboarding your customers, I imagine that there's quite a few of them that don't have this process already mapped out on their end. And so sometimes it's really helpful to have someone that's guiding you or pushing you to lay out the actual systems and the standards for, okay, so these are the parameters for how we're going to handle XYZ. This is when we refund, this is when we escalate that maybe this is kind of loosely happening on a site by site basis according to the manager's regression. But those are the factors, too, that really help with scalability in the long run is on all of these different operational levels of creating these systems and these guidelines and these SLPs that make that systemized and tricky as you grow. And your There to help them have this part of it scalable. And I think that's a really, really valuable asset for all of the car wash owners. And as you're acutely learning, opening a car wash or even buying a car wash is only a small part of the battle. The hard part is running a car wash, running it well, and keeping your customers growing memberships, producing turns, all of those things. And that's where you help.

SPEAKER_04 22:27

No doubt about it. And look, we are partner of our owner and operators, right? Like we are we are white labeled, we're underneath the brand, we follow their guidelines.

SPEAKER_02 22:36

I'm going to go back to that white label part. And you explained it earlier, but I just want to highlight this that so your team comes in and they represent and get to know the brand specifically. So when somebody calls in to the call center, you know where what store that they're calling from, and you answer on behalf of the car wash chain owner. So the customer does not know necessarily that this is going to a call center. You're just an extension of their brand, which I think is so amazing that you're you're keeping that consistency of the brand. It's not confusing and but it's making it better for everybody.

SPEAKER_04 23:12

Yeah, there's no doubt about it, right? Their phone numbers get forwarded into us, right? Their emails get forwarded into us. We we embed chat codes on the website. We open up the texting channel. When people go to the website or go to Google and they're trying to contact Bubble Bath, which is a great customer, when a call comes in, thank you for calling Bubble Bath Car Wash. This is Bobby speaking. How can we help you, right? They have no clue that we are in Atlanta. They have no clue that we're in Reno, Nevada, no clue that we're in Savannah, Georgia, no clue that we're in Texas. They have no clue, right? And that's the whole goal is we are an extension of the brand. We want to operate in brand. And we do it at every level. We have automation built into our platform. We get data points back from the customer through that that helps speed up our process, right? We want to know what location, right? Sometimes people, every day it happens. I want to cancel my membership. Well, it'll be kind of nice if you tell us your full name. Be kind of nice if you tell us your license plate number or tell us your RFID code.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Right. Do you send them a confirmation that their plan was canceled as well?

SPEAKER_04 24:16

Yeah. So the key thing we haven't really mentioned on the first call resolution is we operate in every point of sale. We operate in DRB, we operate in Patheon, we operate in ICS, we operate in Sunny's platform, we operate in Micrologic. We literally have customers at every one of them. So we get an employee code, we get logged in, right, as retention express. And when calls come in, we do the lookup, we do the billing research, we do the refunds, anything that the owner and operator will empower us to do, we will do because we take it off their plate. And then we have the escalation path beyond that point. So getting into the point of sale is critical to solving a lot of the issues that take that time. Like we could be on a double billing question that takes 22 minutes for our agents to work with that customer correctly to explain how that double billing occurred and walk them back over the last four months of hey, your bill date's always the fifth, and then this month you had a credit card issue, that sounds familiar, and then we didn't get our money until like the 15th, and then you bill again on the fifth, right? So customers do not know that. They need someone to walk them through that, and we take the time to do it. So talking in brand, right? Being an extension of it, when we get access to the point of sale, they have no clue who we are. We just tell them, hey, we're in the corporate office, we handle all locations, right? So Bubble Bath over San Antonio's got many locations, right? But most of our owner and operators are multi-site operators. We have some that are multi-brand, multi-site, multi-state operators for private equity. And then we have brand new owner and operators in the marketplace too. So we work with every owner and operator, but each one, we get direct access to either uh dial in, remote dial into the terminal to get to the point of sale, or is cloud-based, we get logged in and we can do the cancellations. Any issues, again, we operate with the um owner and operators through an escalation path.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Gosh, and when you said it could take 22 minutes to explain the monthly plan process or the billing process, that also really resonates on an operational level because 22 minutes on a busy day is a lifetime. So that is such a long time to pull staff away. So you can't do it. I mean, because that's at the expense of all the other paying customers that are waiting, if it's a manager or somebody that's needed elsewhere. So that really sticks with me about that time that you're saving the on-site staff from dealing with this, and also that it's really it's not something that they typically want to be pulled away to do, nor that they're specifically trained in. A lot of times managers are trained to be car wash managers and they're not necessarily experts in this form of communication, or again, nor do they have the time for it.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

Yeah, and I think most owner and operators want their people focused on the job at hand, right? On site, you got to take care of your customers, you know, at the point of first impression, right? When it comes into the gate, you may know they're a member, a gate could open to come in, but when people stop, are they retail? Are they retail first time or the retail coming back? Do they know about your membership plans? Do they not know about them?

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Right.

SPEAKER_04 27:20

All that comes into play, right? So we're the partner off-site. We want to help support that membership model, help protect the churn on the back door, gather all the data and insights that the owner and operators need. And look, I've even done coaching sessions with managers of different brands to go, hey, here's what we're learning about your location. Here's the good and here's the bad, right? Whatever the improvements may or may not happen, you know, we talk about it. In reality, if there's really an issue, the owners are going to know very quickly because I'm we're gonna just communicate that to them and go, hey, you may want to look into this, may or may not be a problem, but we don't want this to go on for 30 days.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Right.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

We don't want this to go on for 15 days because that only magnifies customer issues. And it could be as simple as, hey, I'm on your website and I'm trying to buy a membership, but your link is broken. We get one call, we communicate that to the owner and operators, and this happens quite often. Well, they get to the point and sell provider and they get that fixed very quickly, right? If no one ever addresses that problem, how many people would not be buying a membership or just get kind of mad and go, well, if they can't even get this right, why do I want to do business with them? So right.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

I'm I'm trying to give you my money here.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

Totally, right? So you want to make it easy for them to give you the money, you want to make it easy for them to keep giving you money over a longer period of time, and then what they do leave, you can't get mad because they're leaving, because it's just part of doing business, right? And people have all kinds of reasons. They could lose a job, they got a family issue, they sell a car. You never know, right? You never know when those people are gonna come back. Our goal is to try and get feedback out of them. They are gonna cancel, right? We're gonna cancel it for them. Give them all the details of the cancellation. Your membership will expire June 15th. You can use the wash up until the 14th. Your credit card ending in 2, 3, 4, 5 will not be billed again. Gives them complete confidence, right? That hey, I feel good that you've you've you solved my problem and I can move on to other things in my life I need to worry about, and I have to deal with car washing. At that point, they're unemotional maybe to the brand, except for the fact they feel good about leaving, and they're not emotional because you're making it difficult for them.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

Right.

SPEAKER_04 29:32

When people create emotion, it creates tension, they may not want to come back to do business with you, especially when you have a lot of competition in uh these big markets and only going to get more competition. And you want to make it easy for them to come back to your brand because the best thing you can do is they start comparing you from a customer service standpoint, either on-site, off-site, from one brand to the other. And people always go back to the brand that they feel provides a high level of service. We do surveys every day with customers and the feedback that we get coming back, you know, fast resolution. We answer their questions, we showed empathy, you know, we get so many positive reviews coming back, and that really helps clean up the public perception in the market, right? Absolutely. With negative reviews, everyone hates dealing with every owner and operator. It's just part of dealing with the consumer model. Everyone has the ability to get on their phone, they can write a review whenever they want, and you can't win all the battles, right? Everyone with the 15-year-old car thinks that you ruined their clear code in the tunnel of a car wash, right? Like you just can't solve everybody. But what you don't want is people going, I called in three months ago to cancel, and I'm still getting billed, and these guys are fraud.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Right.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

That is a real review that happens every day in the industry. And it's because everyone's too busy, they're not following up with customers, they're not documenting, you know, all the reasons to try and solve issues that can fix some of these problems over a longer period of time. And for us, we manage every call, every email in two stages. We don't close anything until we've solved the problem. So there is no customer left behind. Like our goal is to solve every issue, get it to uh solved state, either through our empowerment or we work directly with the owner and managers through our collaboration tool for them to help out. And it could be a simple thing of like, hey, I got my car cleaned, but I left my floor mask.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 31:30

Right? Do you have my floor mask at the site? That's a simple customer experience thing that you can solve if you call them back. If it takes you a week to call them back, you know, they're not overly happy, right? And they don't want to waste time to go down to the car wash if they don't have to, if they don't, if you don't have it.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Right.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

Right. But they need they need to know that. So we we try and quickly communicate that, get back to the customers, solve the issue, move on to the next one because people call every day, every hour.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

And something that we're touching on, there's so much value in the data that you're gathering and documenting, that this is usable data to help enhance the efficiency and the operation on a very tangible level, that these are action items that can then be implemented to help alleviate some of these pain points and issues to grow and to increase those things towards else. And the data part of it is really interesting both from the information that you're gathering, but it's also what our father can do with that, and how they can use that data. So we might even have some of these things and they're seeing all of that just after that information. And I was asking about the research identified, even getting the receipt of the kind of data is a very quantity process of five identifications that sort of basically for other industries that have these more than the carbohydrates industry is touching up on a lot of these technology advancements that really feel that our business industry is continuing to elevate professionally. And you can see from the interest level by outside groups. I mean, we have so many private equity companies that are interested in this space for a reason because there's a lot of upside to it. And with that, it seems like we have this opportunity to keep expanding on these new solutions and these new technologies that are helpful to car wash owners. And like that's what we're doing, right? That's what our goal is to keep this ball going forward and offer more solutions to car wash owners.

SPEAKER_04 33:38

Yeah, there's so much opportunity for owner and operators, right? We know that the multiples are really high right now, and a lot of owner and operators are able to capitalize on their success today, which is great. The industry is just going to keep growing, right? And it's going to keep evolving. And the evolution of technology has to get better because it's not of only for them operationally for them to understand all the data points, right? How many cars come through per day is one thing, but all the retail people, all the people who are not members, how do you convert them? What is their usage? You know, how do you get that kind of data? And then how do you market to them effectively? And what platform do you market to them? So all those things come into play. And, you know, we support a lot of marketing companies out there who drive acquisition. You know, we support the owner and operators. That's really what our goal is. And we really want the value of their business to really improve. And there's so many ways, like you mentioned before, tangibly that we can do that. Like we track all the cancellations, right? And a lot of people ask me, well, how do you improve retention? How do you quantify it? Well, we get a lot of calls of us selling your brand. We're trying to create revenue at the same time, we're trying to protect it. We're trying to expand your revenue horizontally. Like we talk a lot about family plans. Family plans are a great way. You typically have an advocate already if they're a member. Most people have a roommate or a family member or somebody else within that they could add on a second or third car. And if you got a family plan, you got to promote it, right? It's an easy way to grow your membership base, extend your billable revenue. Most people offer a discount on a second and third car. And we love promoting that, those discounts, because we help drive a lot of revenue back to the owner and operators.

SPEAKER_01 35:25

Right.

SPEAKER_04 35:26

So we're not a call center. We are much more than that. And we want to create revenue at the same time, we're trying to protect it. So our documentation will show you all of our upsell opportunities that we create. And every customer calls in, and we try and take that opportunity to really promote their brands to get them more billable revenue coming in. So all of those factors come into play. And guess what? Managers on site, they're going to maybe touch on it, really press on it if they respond back. A lot of people we know will call and abandon the call. Managers at a site are not going to take the time to call back that abandoned call. Those abandoned calls we've we've uncovered because we do call them back, is we realize that there's a lot of money in that group of the black hole that we talked about. Right. That owner and operators don't know how big it is. And that's the group that we help convert into why you should do business. And that's all part of the playbook. And these are all questions we ask them of because we want to help them. Like, you know, we're we're like another salesperson helping them out, but we're in a very professional setting. I got really good people that work for me. They get trained up on the brand, and we want to be that extension for them, but they need that help, right? They're doing a great job. Most of them are doing phenomenal. They're growing member counts. It's really just as you get bigger and bigger with your memberships, you got to support them differently. And the same amount of people can't support a higher level of volume of members. They need more help to do it.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

And you talked about a couple of times the black hole, but you're so right because people, as a customer, the the end user customer, they may have called 30 times, but they only left one message. So to the manager on site, this is a one message, one call problem. But to the customer who has the issue, they've called 31 times. And just the one time left a message. So each time that's escalating for them that nobody's answering that is a very big black hole that is crazy to think about. But it's really interesting of how you're able to capture that and to close that. And you've talked about being able to, you know, help grow sales and grow members, but then also protect the memberships and protect that backdoor as well. And that's huge to the value of a business of really thinking through that holistic customer journey of not just what happens on site, but what happens off-site and how to marry those efforts, make a synergistic approach to the whole process that a customer goes through.

SPEAKER_04 37:45

That's correct. And part of our conversation about MA, right? And when there's an acquisition going through, there's so much work that has to be done before the acquisition, and then then even after. My recommendation to owner and operators, right, who are doing the acquisition is you got to understand the customer journey before you take over. And then what do you want that journey to look like after you take over? Because in that middle, a lot of gray area, there's a lot of rough waters of making the transition from one brand to the other, from one pricing plan that has four or five models to one that has three.

unknown 38:18

Right.

SPEAKER_04 38:19

People start freaking out over it. You got to be able to communicate to your customers effectively before, really, and even after, and try and lower that tension, lower that stress of the unknown, and just over-communicate with them throughout the whole process, right? So there's good marketing techniques to do that. You got to have good people that can answer the calls, that can answer these questions, you know, to solve it. And there's a whole playbook, you know, that customers really need to think about of what that journey should look like before and after. Because if you're acquiring a brand, multi, multi-site, you could have 10,000 members, right? You're gonna get an extra 500 calls day one, potentially, of that brand as 10,000 members.

SPEAKER_01 39:01

Right.

SPEAKER_04 39:01

How are you supporting that? It's a lot of volume, and somebody's got to take care of it, and you got to have that in place beforehand. So we really help private equity groups and even other owner operators off their acquisition is we put together the playbook. You know, we want to have a good transition to make it smooth and really shorten the time frame of not people getting dropped or actually elevating the experience from the prior owner and giving them, hey, here's what you're getting with us as a new owner, and here's the service that we're gonna provide, not only on site, but if you have issues, you can always reach out to us off-site.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Right. What do you want to keep about the previous brand? What are the great things that you want to continue? But then what do you want to improve upon and make better? And how can you communicate that to a customer so that maybe you are raising the prices, but hey, you're getting all of these other things, and we're going to, you know, make the experience better through these, through these different efforts and channels that the customer can be educated on why that's a good thing and and let them know the benefits to that change.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

Yeah. And here's here's a good tip, right? For scalability and to really growing your brand and your messaging, it has to be consistent, right? From one location to the other, from one employee to the other.

SPEAKER_01 40:12

Totally.

SPEAKER_04 40:13

And what happens is that messaging gets kind of lost, and people say it differently at location A from location B. One of the best things I've come across that I think we can help people with, and we have helped people, or we recommend it, is that you have a nice giveaway at the time, at the point of sale, that your employees are handing out messaging, either on a it's what I call a retention card, right? It's like a little business card. It could be a little bit bigger, like a postcard. It's all branded, and it gives consumers the information of their billing, right? Hey, you bought a membership, thank you. This is recurring every 30 days. You can cancel anytime. Here's how you can cancel online, on site, or call customer support. If you need to call customer support, here's how you get a hold of them. You're just making that very easy, and that way your employees are sort of protected, right? If they're very diligent to give that out to every new member, your messaging becomes the same. And then you cut down on all these unnecessary calls of people going, I didn't know that my billing was renewing. I didn't know my promotional plan was going to double month two.

SPEAKER_01 41:17

Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:18

All that should be addressed at the beginning. And that's one of the key things that we've learned to help people with and how they can help themselves is you know, have something to give people tangibly that will back up and reinforce the messaging that you want your employees to have, right? So that they should say every single time that help them.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

Right? Give them this document they can tangibly give to a customer. And then it's not the customer forgetting about it after they get out of a three-minute tunnel, right? They forget that they may have been told as recurring, they only hear what they want to hear.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 41:49

But it really helps if on a screen people sign off as recurring revenue, or hey, Mr. Customer, we gave you, do you remember the flyer we gave you at the time? Yes, all that is addressed, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Right.

SPEAKER_04 42:00

So it's all about the proper expectations that they have to set on the very front end.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

Right. Well, those are some great tips. And from hearing about your idea and retention express from the first time, this really, really offers the car washing owners, it offers them something that's so useful. And that's what what we find so interesting and so exciting about your business and then joining this journey with you to help further educate car wash owners that this is something that may be a really helpful solution to raising those same sources, to increasing the efficiencies and the added benefits of all this data that they have now, too, that they can use to further elevate their brand. With that time frame in mind, what is one thing that you've been most surprised about from the car wash industry? Anything you want. This is just a bonus question.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

The people are great, but the problems that we had at a $2 billion company at ATT, our division, with all the resources, all the brain power we had exist everywhere. And it all comes down to customer experience. And that is a difficult job in itself, right? And how you tackle it, people look at it as a true, just a pure cost on their PL. They don't like the cost on their PL, but in reality, if you do it right, it can make you money. And if you put enough effort and energy into it, it'll improve your business, which is their goal, right? They want to grow the revenue, they want to grow the membership, they want to grow the customer experience, and they need to because the competition is getting bigger and bigger. So for me, it's like the problems exist at big companies and small companies. We know the big companies have problems. We all have issues, and we all complain about ATT probably through a lot of different ways in general, as a big company, but car washing is no different, and car wash owner and I Operators still need to attack and solve that issue no differently than the big corporations. Everyone struggles with it, but you got to allow people to be in control. And there's different strategies that they can do to allow their consumers to be in control, but they got to be able to respond back effectively on it.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Right. And where can people find more information about Retention Express and explore your services?

SPEAKER_04 44:22

Well, no doubt. Hopefully through the Amplify T will be one great source. I know that will happen, but retentionexpress.com, you can hit a link for a demo. Um, happy to get on a call to talk through what your needs are, your current situation, where you're trying, where you're trying to get to, and then kind of backfill our services of how we operate, how we can't operate, and how we can help you. But retentionexpress.com, you can email me, Bobby B O B U I at RetentionExpress, or call me 904-451-0461. All right.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

Nice. Well, thank you, Bobby, so much. I feel like we could chat forever. We're kindred spirits. We have so much to talk about. Totally. I really appreciate you sharing. And again, you know, our goal is to help be good stewards of the car wash industry and to maximize value for car wash owners and make things simpler for them so that they continue to grow and they can thrive and they can love this industry. And uh, and I think that that's what we're all here for. And that that passion is really contagious too, that we all thrive off of each other and get new ideas. And that collaboration part's a really cool aspect of just continuing to grow the opportunities within the car wash industry. So very happy to have you as a partner with Amplify Ventures and excited to see where we can continue to grow to help car wash owners. So listen for the next episode, the last Thursday of the month, and you can find Amplify's podcast, Car Wash M A the Podcast, on our website at amplifywash.com backslash podcast. You can find me on LinkedIn or you can reach out to me at L Barnett, L-B-A-R-N-E-T-T at AmplifyWash.com. Thanks.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Thank you, Lenny. Appreciate everything you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

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