Ep 11: Musical Theatre Vs Ballet (ft. Sarah Bourke)

In this episode, Cam and Joey are joined by special guest Sarah Bourke to explore the world of musical theatre and how it compares to professional ballet. Sarah shares insights into the industry, the realities of performing on stage, and what makes musical theatre unique. The episode also features two fun segments: a look into Cam’s relationship and a challenge to see who knows more about the other’s profession. The loser faces a punishment.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

So, Joey, we got a question from one of our listeners and they asked, What was it like doing in American Paris? Oh yeah. Yeah. True. Actually, we did, yeah. And there was, you know, there's definitely some really good things. There were some difficult times, but the good is sitting right next to me. And that is Miss Sarah Burke. Say hi.

SPEAKER_01 0:15

Whoa, hi.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

What an intro. I've rehearsed that in the mirror like 40 times. Yeah. That was really clean. That was a lot better. Yeah, that was nice than I expected. So everyone, Sarah Burke.

SPEAKER_04 0:38

Yeah, that was that was really smooth, actually.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Yeah. Um, Sarah, we wanted to pick your brain as well because we want to do musical theatre versus ballet, but let's touch on musical theatres though. You've done a fair few shows.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Yeah. Well, and American Paris was my first show when we met. So I had done other contracts and things, other dance jobs, but it was my first theatre contract. And then from there I jumped onto Cinderella as a swing for the last four months of their tour, which was cool. My first swing experience, which was really difficult and different.

SPEAKER_03 1:13

Now and do you know what a swing is? I was just about to ask you, what's a swing?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Well, it's a swing.

SPEAKER_03 1:17

No, I'm gonna say, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Literally, literally I was on the it is a completely different world. Yeah. Like ballet, ballet, and musical theatre, it's very different. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

It's just like a cover basically, but for all the ensemble roles. So I covered seven female ensemble roles. Um which was a lot, yeah, and I learnt it in about three days because I was a replacement.

SPEAKER_02 1:40

Sorry, it's different as well because like most of the tracks, so the roles that they perform are on usually from beginning to end. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Yeah, like every ounce of traffic is so meticulously set out, it's not like just off the cuff every night, like it's very specific. So it was always very stressful. You never wanted to be in anyone's way when you were, you know, swinging on or anything like that. I'm sure I made quite a few errors, it's probably human, but nah, nah. Everyone's understanding. Swings are amazing, like they're really you know, save the show many times.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

Well that's like musical theatre. I heard it, it's like always that first one's hardest to get.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

But once you get it, you can kind of I mean yes and no, like definitely to get a crack into the scene is definitely hard. Um but because every show is so different, every show requires like very different set of skills and things like that. It's not always just as simple as that, I think. Um for a lot of people. It's as you get to the end of you know your contract, you're constantly looking at all the auditions you've got to do now for the next one. And um, you know, I have been pretty lucky with um going on job-to-job-ish, but there's always, you know, little breaks in between.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

You've done really well.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Um but but I wouldn't say like it's always very stressful, you know, when you get to the end of a contract and you're looking ahead at no work and you have to kind of like knuckle down again and you feel like you just auditioned for the show that you're that you're in and suddenly you're back in the audition circuit and um seeing everyone who's just come off a job, you know, it is pretty cutthroat.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Um the crazy thing as well, like in musical theatre, what we like aren't exposed to as well, is the audition process. Yeah. Like we have we have like a a little audition process when repetitors or outside choreographers come in to cast a ballet. Yeah. So we do have like an audition process. Yeah, and it's we hate them. Yeah, they suck. Like people's personalities are really like shy and bright in those environments. The elbows come out, the elbows, yeah, they push food, and then some people be like, guys, come on, we're all mates here. Yeah, we all want to get the job, like we all want to do we care. But um yeah, what's really crazy is that for musical theaters, like your livelihood depends on this job. You you need to secure that job, and they're all friends within the industry, too. So then they all see each other at the auditions. It's a really um interesting world.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Yeah, which makes it nice as well. Like, I think the more auditions I've done and the older I've got, um, and the more shows I've done, like the connections I have in the industry, do make the audition days a little bit more. I mean, it depends. I'm always still nervous, but a little bit more relaxed in the sense that you know, if you just look at it as that dancing with friends and just like try to take the pressure off it a little bit, it's quite important. But you know, you're right, there is a lot of pressure on it. It is actually the work and like yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

Now, what's your like power play move? In the audition to get your to get into like their heads, you know what I mean? Like, do you like sometimes like I know this is a real big power play, like dudes, like sometimes they chuck a real high kick, get it above like 90.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

Oh, that wouldn't work for me. Yeah, literally, oh mine would be like just practice jumps or something, yeah. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

Yeah, I mean, everyone in a in a theater audition is pulling out their best stuff, you know, like over splits.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

There is those people though, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Oh in the warm-up room, yeah. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:00

Yeah, um yeah, but that's what I'm meaning, like in the warm-up room. Yeah, you've got to psych each other out. Yeah, like I'm gonna be able to do that. No, you see, I'm always just like number five. I'm gonna I'm gonna get in their head psychologically.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Yeah, you'd be like, oh, you're number five. Oh, that's a bad number. Yeah, it's hard to remember.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Nah, I feel like I just bounce around the warm-up room chatting to everyone and um just like trying to be a bit bubbly up, like pump myself off a bit.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

They're probably on the floor stretching, going, Oh my god, I hate number your 22, for instance. I hate number 22 because she's like being really friendly and she's trying to get in my head.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

That's probably what they're thinking. Overtipping the heck out of it.

SPEAKER_03 5:35

I like it.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

Good play. All right, all right. Yeah, non-that's my play. Um or you could go like before going in, you'd be like, Oh, your makeup like looks a bit different. Just like maybe just a little comment. Yeah, right before you go in there.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Oh my god, your nose hairs, guys.

SPEAKER_04 5:50

Oh, okay, let's go, everyone.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

They're going, oh Yeah, it's just there's nothing worse than feeling something in your nose, and you're like, oh, yeah. Oh, I keep swearing, is it? Blip it out.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Yeah, no, um, or you could just be, you know, yourself and lovely and kind and nice and go in and let your dancing speak for itself. No, but they have to be. You've done a fair share of auditions too. I've done a fair share of auditions, and that's what people I think often forget is that yes, I have a handful of shows under my belt, and the timelines have worked well for me with those shows, but what you don't see is the like hundreds of other auditions that I've done and got no's, which is very normal and more no's than yes. Way more no's than yes, way more. I could yeah, I'd have to write write a list one day of all the shows I auditioned for and didn't get it. Just so people understand that's like it's not it's not like a shoe in when you've done a show, you don't you know, every show is different. Totally.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

And also for people listening to when you do a show, because that is a short-term contract, it's not forever. So they're auditioning while they're in that show too during the day. Like there's different shows coming up, and they go, Alright, I need to think what's coming up.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

While you're doing a constant amount of eight shows a week, yeah, you have your one day off your Monday, and you're usually auditioning for another show towards the end of your contract, you know.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Um yeah, it's full time, full-time gig auditioning, I would I say as well. Jeez, yeah. Yeah, do you think that's like the hardest part that people don't see is that yeah, the auditions and the and the nose, one hundred percent, one hundred percent. It's all very glitzy when you're in a show and and exciting, but um yeah, God, it's been some brutal, brutal ones like because you get quite invested over an audition period. Often you're going back three, four, you know, times to to re-audition for this one show, and so you start to imagine yourself doing the show, you start to imagine the lifestyle you're gonna have on that show, and you Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:40

It's like um, you know, realestate.com and you're like, I can see myself living there.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Oh hell yeah. Yeah, literally manifest, yeah. Somewhere you like put an offer in, or like you like, you know, then then you really like, oh yeah, this is gonna happen, and then yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

And they're like, yeah, nah.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Yeah, not good enough.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Yeah, yeah. That's a very good comparison.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

But I didn't have to go through that same rigmarole for like American Paris. I did the audition process and it was like rigorous, but it wasn't too crazy, and because it was during COVID. But like one big difference was the amount of shows that we do for between like ballet and musical theatre. It's crazy for American Paris. How many shows did we do?

SPEAKER_00 8:19

We did 150.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

150. Oh mate, we did we did like 30 plus shows, 33 shows of sleeping beauty, and I was going stir crazy. Oh yeah, dude. Like absolutely we were going nuts.

SPEAKER_03 8:31

You can't see straight by the end. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

33 shows you can't see straight.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

Yeah, we were we were yeah, you're walking, you walk down hallways and you just pop into like costumes and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

You think you become a fairy at one point. You're literally like, I can't do this anymore.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

Alright, well, Joey, guess how many shows I did of Beauty and the Beast?

SPEAKER_03 8:46

Oh, well, 150. I'm going 232.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

I did 650 shows. 630. 650 shows of Beauty and the Beast. All right. I'm so glad you were so far off that number. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

Yeah. That is wild.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

That's what I like within that experience, because we're so used to being stimulated going from one show to another. Like in the ballet, we do a show, we rehearse the the next upcoming show during the day. Yeah. So we're constantly like flipping and changing shows. Yeah. Um sorry, you're yawning. Yeah, Cameron's so boring because get to the point. Yeah. But yeah, because we're constantly changing shows during American Paris. When I was in it, uh I was just gobsmacked by how many shows we're doing, and I I was trying to find a bit of like, oh my god, like what is this?

SPEAKER_03 9:40

Like is that when you got addicted to drugs?

SPEAKER_01 9:45

I'm an alcoholic. I'm an alcoholic last episode. Now I'm a drug addict.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Yeah, so these things I didn't know about you.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Joey's Joey's making all these false accusations every podcast, and it's ruining my career one podcast at a time. Yeah. Yeah, that's his that's his um his plan.

SPEAKER_02 10:08

He loved like throwing just a frag grenade and everything explodes.

SPEAKER_03 10:13

It's crazy. Like Cam was such a different guy before American Paracet. Now he's addicted to drugs and oh alcohol and the hard stuff. I can't even name it on the podcast. Denominized. What? Denominised? Demonized. Demonized, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could not imagine. So 630 shows. That's a whole year.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

That's two years I did. I mean, yeah, I did the show for two years. Whoa, it's crazy. Yeah, it was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

What was after? So, okay, you did American Paris, then wait, Cinderella. Yes. Then Beauty and the Beast. I should know this. Um I've got this. This is when I was with you. Uh yep. Yeah, yeah. You did uh the Honda um Guys and Dolls. Yeah, exactly. So Guys and Dolls, yeah. You did Cats. Yeah. Yeah Oh yeah, she's doing Viva right now, the Cabaret show. And then there's another show coming up. Oh wait, you did Cats for a while as well. Do you want to cut that out?

SPEAKER_00 11:09

I don't know. Um I did Cats for a while, yeah. Guys and Dolls was short, Guys and Dolls was like two and a half months. It was um on Sydney Harbour, it was amazing, such an incredible experience. Still one of my favourite um shows I've done because to do a show on Sydney Harbour outside. Um it was an amazing team of creatives and great group of people. I really, really loved that experience. And then yeah, Katz was ten months, ten months. Um full Australia tour as well. Yeah, she looked at me like 10 months. I was like, I'm our agent, sleep agent. Can't remember how many shows we did of cats as well, but it's fair fair amount. I think it was over 200. Yeah, it was definitely 250 or something. 250 cat shows was hard.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

Like I I complain about putting uh what do you call the base lighter again? Makeup foundation. I complain about putting foundation on and then the black pencil on the eye. Oh, yeah. And then I'm like, Oh my face is so caked full of makeup. Where cats is like we're wearing four an hour.

SPEAKER_04 12:10

Yeah, pretty much. Crazy.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

I want to go to the first segment.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

But anyway, I'm just going off our script here. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Oh, he's like, get back on track. Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Cam, come on.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

He's just staring at you the whole time. I I've I usually I like run the show. I'm letting him leave. Yeah, Cam said I'll have the rants for this one. Wow, I'm scary. Which is yeah, kind of scary of it. I think I'll do it.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

He's been checking his notes, June.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

It's been on the whole time. I've actually been watching it. It's so sweet.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

You're like, you're like, I'm getting out of it, guys. Alright, so segment one. Boom, da boom. Who said it? Who said it? Who said it? Oh yeah, okay. It's just short, it's a little quick one. Yep. Yeah. Um, all right. Who said I love you first?

SPEAKER_00 13:00

I did. That was Cam. Oh when and where.

SPEAKER_02 13:04

It was at my parents' place. It was after Japan. Yeah. After being away for a while. It was six, five, five months dating.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Uh yeah. Oh yeah. Five or six.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Yeah, I was I took my time. Yeah, yeah. Wow. I took my time. But yeah. And I was I knew straight away. I was like, yeah.

unknown 13:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

She was falling asleep on my chest and I'd watched a movie. Yeah, I woke her up. I went, Oh, hey, I love you by the way.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Oh no, you were just oh, you were so cute. Yeah, we'd fallen asleep watching the movie, and then I think I was fully asleep. Yeah. You must have been probably not asleep because your mind was probably like, Do I do it? Do I do it? Do I do it? No, it wasn't. It wasn't. And then you tapped me and it just said, Hey, I love you. So cute. That's amazing. That's so cute.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

I I remember with Alana, so I'm going off media. Yeah, please. I remember it was like our like third date, and I was I was waving to her.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Good day.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

It was this is like one of my I'm I messed up. But like I don't think she heard it anyway because she was standing on her front porch. Right. And I was in the um about to leave and I was about to jump.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

Yeah, I was about to jump in the car.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

I went, Sea, um, love you. And I and I was like, no, I'm like face palms and jump in the car. Literally, yeah. I don't think she heard it.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

But have you ever asked her if she heard it?

SPEAKER_03 14:22

No. Wait, she didn't ask her. Yeah, yeah. Actually, I did me too. That's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

I don't think you mucked up. I think you guys are doing pretty well.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

Now, was there any time in that six-month period? Did you say how much?

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Yeah, five, five, six months.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Sarah, you wanted to say it?

SPEAKER_00 14:35

Um, there were definitely times where I thought it maybe, but I don't know. I was I was so nervous still at the start, very attentive, didn't want to rush anything.

SPEAKER_02 14:43

Was like thinking I was feeling it, but just wasn't 100% sure if that was it or like I was the first guy she's ever said she loves. So it was a big deal. It was a big deal to me.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

It was a very big deal to me, and I was yeah, was thinking that yes, I think this is what I'm feeling, but uh I was just wanting to make sure I waited. That's that's very cute. You wanted him to say first, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

I'm saying that I think the guy should. Yeah, yeah. It's like asking ask the girl out. Yeah, so chivalrous. That's I know.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Chivalry isn't dead guy that's right here. Cameron Holmes. I love it. Alright, next one. Uh, who's messier? Oh, Sarah.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

Oh no, that's me. Sarah.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Sarah, come on.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

I'm not messy. Um I you're free. I'm free. I'm not messy, I'm free. I just don't I'm often like in a bit more of a rush when I'm getting ready or when I'm running out the door, and so things don't always get put away until I come home from wherever I was going, and then I will do a big quick tidy. But yeah, Cam is tidier than me, which is I feel kind of sad about.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

But I'm a neat freak. You are a neat freak.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

And you're you don't I don't think you might like I'm I'm not I don't think I'm messy, messy. No, you're not dirty.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

I think there's a difference between dirty and messy. You're just that's the same, you're free. I'm free. There's a few clothes, there's a few clothes like lying around every now and then. It's not always, and you know, there's maybe one plate or a cup in the sink. And for me, usually very rarely.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

Oh, their first fight card.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Next question, next question. I definitely, I definitely will take that one.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

Well, this leads up into the next question. Who's more stubborn? Oh probably me. You reckon?

SPEAKER_00 16:22

We both are quite stubborn, yeah. But maybe you I would say me.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

Actually, yeah, I I remember I'll be saying something and he'd be like, no, no, dude, no. I'll be like, no, it's definitely this. And you'd be like, no.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Oh yeah, once he's got his once he's got his mind made up, uh his strong, strong opinions.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Yeah, I'm stubborn with really random, random. Like hella random.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

That's true, and he could be really not with others, like really chill, and then yeah, you'll randomly have a really strong opinion. I'm like, you don't actually care about that.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

And that's the amount of times that our conversations go like that. I'd be like really passionate about something and I'm driving it home, like the the point that I'm trying to make. I'm like, oh this, that, this, that. And she goes, You don't really care. And I'm like, eh, not really. Why are you being so passionate about that? You actually don't care.

SPEAKER_03 17:07

What what brand of toothpaste? Oral Beal, Colgate. It has to be Colgate.

SPEAKER_01 17:13

It really affects this and this and this.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Oh, that's it. Yeah. Uh, who has the weirder family? Oh, mine for sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

Not weird. I mean, she's from Tasmania, so you know. We both actually, you know, something we talked about last night is that we both grew up with big family and you know, very family oriented.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Small, but yeah, big like I mean, except family.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Big family values, yeah. Yeah, big family values, but like pam family is such a parody. Um, I've got three brothers and it's a rowdy household. It definitely was growing up.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

It's probably good, prepped you really well for that.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Yeah, exactly. So we both we both have pretty boisterous families.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

I would say might know. We're we're mad. Yeah, you guys, you guys are tame.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Your mum said last night, mad as a cutsnake. Mad as a cutsnake.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

No, mad family friends.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Yeah, there's a great saying. Um yeah, okay, maybe. Yeah, I love his family though.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Who's a better cook? Sarah.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Me.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

Great. So good.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

Um, who is more in love? Who's more in love? Yeah. Me.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

No.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

I mean, the way he's looking at you is crazy. I know.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

This podcast, I've been terrible.

SPEAKER_03 18:17

I'm so distracted.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

We're never having you on.

SPEAKER_03 18:20

You know what we should have done? We should have set up a camera behind your face and just put it on camera. And then the shots we would have gotten is hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Yeah, put the Brandy new, pretty new, oh, you want to tell a story about that song?

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Oh my god. Yeah, so on our second date, yeah, uh, Careless Whisper, which you just sang. So wait, what hold on what? Careless Whisper is a song you just sang.

SPEAKER_03 18:43

Oh, brandy near.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Um on the second date, I hooked up all the lights and music to like a smart smart lights, and I went, hey, Siri, turn on sexy mode. And it went red and careless whisper played. Oh our second day. Or third day, maybe. Maybe. Third day. Right. Bald.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Yeah, it was very bold. Yeah, well.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

And she did leave.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Oh, actually.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

I locked the front door so she couldn't hear it.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

No, it just made me laugh as usual. It was very careful.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

What are you opening your book for? I've got a segment. Oh. It's called Musical Theatre versus Ballet. Oh. So I'm going to ask you, Joey. I'm going to go to the show.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Don't have this not in my notes.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Yeah, this is not in my notes, man.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

What's going on? Stop going on.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

I like being on the fly anyway. I work better, I operate better on my own.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

So the segment's called Musical Theatre versus Ballet. Joey, I'm going to ask you questions that relate to musical theatre and vice versa. So you're going to do ballet. So Sarah, I'll start with you. Okay. Okay. Name one Tchaikovsky ballet.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Oh God, no, this is mortifying. Tchaikovsky.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

One Tchaikovsky Ballet. Yeah, Sarah, like that's easy.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Swan Lake. Swan Lake, yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

Yeah, and you can get an extra point if you can spell Tchaikovsky.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Um, I can spell Tchaikovsky. T C H A I K O V S K Y. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

That's Sarah's gonna leave my two points. You haven't even started this.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

It's gonna be so hard.

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Alright, you ready? Joey, name three musicals. Cats.

SPEAKER_03 20:22

Um that's easy. I'm just named. Cats. Oh, yeah. Um, no, I'll try not to. Uh uh, The Boys. The boys. Isn't that the tap dogs? Tap dogs? That's not a musical. Oh, damn. No. Uh Wicked. Wicked. Um, and um uh the Seven Wives. No. No. Oh, um uh uh Book of Mormon.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Way! Okay, extra points, you ready? Name the four musicals I was in. Uh Billy Elliott, uh American Paris.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Oh my god, you did two more? Yeah, you didn't even name them before you cheat up. Uh can I have some more?

SPEAKER_02 21:13

No, that's Oliver. Oliver, yeah. No.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

He should have done that.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

It would have been great.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

That was a good guest, though. That is a musical. Yeah. So you're bambooing? I did. I'm bambooing. Okay, what are the other two? So I was in Billy Elliott. I played Michael Banks in Mary Poppins.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

Mary Poppins!

SPEAKER_02 21:29

I knew that. I knew that. And uh there's a smaller musical called Miracle City at the Hayes Theatre. Oh, I would have been screwed there. Yeah, yeah. That's a trick question, that one. Um, testing our friendship on that one, too.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

I should have got extra points for naming the other settings.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

Oh, you reckon you would have got it? The competitive side of her is kicking in. Oh, yeah, yeah. After you just named she's like, Oh, I would have gotten that. I do know that. No, she would have got that. And American in Paris. Damn. Alright, back to Sarah, you ready? You got five seconds on the clock. No, come on. Name three ballet jumps. Go.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Oh, um Tom Levey, um Grand Jete, and Jete Anton.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Alright. I mean that's with one second. That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Series in the league with three points. Oh that's all right. All right. Joey. Lynn Manuel Miranda wrote what musical? Um she wrote E?

SPEAKER_03 22:25

She. He. Oh, he. It sounded like a cheek. What's her name? Lynn. Lynn. Oh. Manuel Miranda. The Miranda, that's me.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Which is just excellent.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Yeah. Um, I'm gonna go. It's obviously a uh main. I'm going cats. No, no, it's uh Hamilton.

SPEAKER_02 22:50

Hamilton! Yeah, bum bum. All right, Sarah. Okay. How many jock straps does Joey own?

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Oh god. Have you counted these?

SPEAKER_02 23:00

I was gonna say dude. Okay. Yeah, think roughly in your head.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Um two.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Two is seven. No, bum bow. How many do you reckon you have? I think I got seven. No. I mean we we dance seven days a week. Six days a week.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

True, I forget you don't just wear them for performances you wear them every day.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

I maybe wear like three, and then as they're getting I'll put them in the wash. Okay. Oh, yeah, sorry, two is a bit rude. I do washing like every second day. I've got like 15 jocks.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Whoa. Yeah, yeah. Alright. How many jock straps does Sarah own, Joey? That's wild.

SPEAKER_04 23:35

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

I'm gonna maybe like 30. No, um okay, we we answered this earlier. You would count her jock straps too, by sniffing each one. We'll cut that out. No, we won't.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

What does a swing do in a musical? They're the core of the production. Continue. In a sense, you are right. Yeah. Keep going. What is their like what is their job description? What do they have to do?

SPEAKER_03 24:11

Uh back up the leads. Sorta. Make the show run. We're getting more vague. Okay. Um, they help push sets, they help with ensembles. No. They sing in the background with lead. They're the ones that enthusiastically enthusiastically up the back, like, yeah, and they start clicking.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Come on, guys, and then they wave and then everyone runs in.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

What did I do on Cinderella?

SPEAKER_03 24:44

Um choose a swing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

I think that's what I did.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Um yeah, you help sing in the production.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

A swing, okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:53

You literally, yeah, I said, wait, what's a swing? And then you said everything there.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

A swing. So usually they s they're not on every show. Yeah. They will sit like backstage and they usually cover, like understudy or learn up to like from five to five to ten roles. Yeah, that's right. So in case someone gets injured or someone's sick, they go on. And it could be it could be a lead role, it can it can vary. Yeah. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 25:21

Shivers.

SPEAKER_02 25:22

Yeah. You you didn't get that one right. I it's I was too busy conducting uh at the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

Alright, Sarah, last one. What injury or body part do I complain about the most?

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Probably your shoulder. Or your calves.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 25:39

I'm thinking as well, I'm thinking calves.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

Calves. Shoulder, calves.

unknown 25:44

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 25:46

Your hairline.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

That injury.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

Um Yeah, you lock one in and then I'll lock one in.

SPEAKER_00 25:54

I think you can play about shoulders, but shoulder the most.

SPEAKER_03 25:56

I'm going calves.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Calves is pretty close, but no, it is shoulder. Oh shoulder. Hell yeah. Alright. Okay, so the loser.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Who's that?

SPEAKER_02 26:08

Who do we think this is? Obviously, Sarah. That's crazy. I've got one right.

unknown 26:14

One. That's one.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

So, Joey, your punishment for our listeners? You have to sing a musical theatre song. Oh, jeez. Do they want to hear that? Yes. They want to hear it.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

Worries for the rest of your days. It's no fashion free. No worries. A corner matata. I know.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

Insanely bad. I'm not just committed.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

There is no fashion free.

SPEAKER_04 26:52

I'm not just committed to it. No worries.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

The next line I topped up too. I heard it in my in my headset. I was like, just keep singing something.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Talk to me a lot about my stuff, but I actually watched you both do your thing on stage last night. Yeah. Um Romeo and Juliet. I saw Mr. Cameron Holmes do Romeo and Joey Romance Whiz. Yeah. Close enough, I'll take romance whiz. Yeah, wait.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

Pronounce his last name.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Romance whiz? No.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Romusevich.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Roman Romasevich. Rumusevich. Rumusevich.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

Yeah, Romanceovich.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

Wow, I've never actually asked you that. Yeah. Yeah, it's a long Romance whiz.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

Everyone says romance whiz. Everyone says that.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

People call you a romance whiz.

SPEAKER_03 27:44

Yeah. No, the whiz, yeah. People should call me the whiz. The whiz. Everyone should just call me the romance. The romance.

SPEAKER_00 27:51

But yeah, you guys enjoy played Tibolt and it was phenomenal. It was an amazing show. And I saw the slap in real life, everyone. If you're looking at the viral video on my Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

And he's got he's got more aggressive each show, folks. Yeah. Believe it or not. That was tame. I like it though. Oh, it's crazy. Sets the tone. Yeah. And also then I don't uh like erupt with laughter because you slapped me so hard that I actually am fuming.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

Yeah, that's it. I I clocked my elbow a little bit now. My game.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

Yeah. Because I think if you did, if you did a little wheezy slap, I would actually start dying of laughter. If he was like Yeah, that would be funny after you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

No, the sword fight was very aggressive between you guys last night. I was I was feeling it. I meant it. Very intense, yeah. Yeah, you guys alright? Do you need to hash something out?

SPEAKER_02 28:34

No, no, no. We're best mates. No, that's it. The only thing that needs hashing out is the way his toes are curled like that.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

It's my it's my bad habit. I like to extend my arches. Yeah, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Your point is just in your toes. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 28:49

Crunched over. Yeah, no, the um the thing is like, I don't know, I love um like the to make me so angry at him, what makes me so angry is I think he like he's kissed a lana or something. Oh and I'm like, like that completely up rolls me straight away.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Do you actually think that on stage?

SPEAKER_03 29:07

Uh not on stage, but right before I'm that's gone. I'm like, oh this guy is that your uprolling technique? Yeah, that's one of them. That's sometimes sometimes I just like tilt the chin down, look through like my eyebrows a little bit, and then I'm just like Well, if everyone could see that face right now.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

It's quite scary. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

I was getting it.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

My friends who came last night as you left the stage door, they were like, Oh, I'm actually a bit scared of you, mate. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

A lot of people say that, yeah, which is so funny because your personality is just so contrasting of actual Tibolt. Like you're such a big teddy bear.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

Which is why it's amazing because it's a phenomenal actor. Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Take it. You are very good. Thank you. I don't I don't have any thanks, bud. We're just handing out compliments all around. Yeah, I don't have any um up rolling techniques. I literally will just kind of focus and then I let the scene kind of play like unfold, and that's when I kind of get into the character.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

Well, I think I need to uproll a little bit just because I'm just gonna be able to do that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:04

And also because yours is so sudden, you run out. So Joey, like for those who haven't seen it, Joey runs out and slashes his sword and is like in pure rage straight away. Yeah. So like for me, my my development happens gradually, which does help.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

Yeah, that's it. I remember last night, Cam's last entrance for Romeo. Um, he runs across the back and he was in the wing, and I come up to him, and he he has to like get the knife and stab himself because he's so sad that Juliet's um passed away. Yeah, yeah, so passed away. Yeah, yeah. So I pretend, I was looking at Cam. No, I didn't even talk to him, I just looked at him, he looked at me and I know I pretended to get the dagger, and I was like, no, I can't do it. I can't do it. And then Kev just put his head palm up and went, No, I can't right now. I said, Don't make me laugh right before going on going on, literally the saddest part of the ballet, and I'm in the wing, like, I can't do it now.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

Yeah, it's great. Again, it's probably similar to how you feel with T-Bolt, but I've got to run on in in a moment, it's gonna be like tragedy. Yeah, that's like there's just there's no gradual lead up, so it's just tragedy running on. And then I was like, right before going on, Joey's making jokes.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's it's good because I'm finished at that point, so I'm like, yeah, we're chilling. But then Ken's like, he's still got this like emotional bit. He did tell me about that.

SPEAKER_02 31:23

So good. Oh, well, it's time. Wow, we'll let you go, my love.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

Oh, thanks.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Yeah, yeah, cupcake.

SPEAKER_04 31:30

Cupcake.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Yeah, we'll try that one.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

That's the pet names. Yeah, I'm gonna try that. It's so good.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Well, thanks for being here, and thanks for listening, guys. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_04 31:41

Getcha.