Ep 12: Surviving Ballet (ft. Joseph Caley)

In this episode, Cam and Joey are joined by special guest Joseph Caley. With more than 20 years in the industry, Joseph helps answer a listener’s question about how to build a long and sustainable career in the demanding world of ballet, sharing insights from his journey and the lessons he’s learned along the way.

The boys also introduce a brand-new segment, bring back Cam’s Fish Tank for the first time since Episode 1, and, as always, get sidetracked into plenty of laughs and unexpected conversations.

Transcript

Speaker 2 0:00

What's better than a Friday afternoon? Because you got the weekend coming up, right?

Speaker 3 0:05

Yeah.

Speaker 2 0:05

You have me, Cameron, but also Joe Caley. Joe Caley, everyone.

Speaker 0:28

Um, the reason we reason we wanted you on the potty is because we got um a question from one of the listeners and it was asking about exhaustion and fatigue and how do you balance doing several shows a week. And we thought, what better person to have on the podcast than you? Yeah. Because mate, you've been in the industry for over 20 years now. Dude, 20 years. When did you join Birmingham? It was in 2005. 2005, yeah.

Speaker 2 0:54

Dude. Dude.

Speaker 0:55

And how long have you been principal? You got promoted to 2011? Damn, 15 years.

Speaker 2 1:02

15 years.

Speaker 1:03

15 years as principal.

Speaker 2 1:05

Damn, it's a lot of exhaustion. How do you do that? No wonder you're hobbling around. Crazy.

Speaker 1:12

Yeah, and at the ripe age of like what are you you 58?

Speaker 1 1:18

Some side 60. Yeah. Nah, that's pushing it, mate. Oh.

Speaker 1:24

Come on, man. Yeah, you almost got up and punched me. Yeah, um, no, we just we wanted to pick your brain because Joey and I are both in our late 20s, and you know, we're struggling now. And we're genuinely so curious how the heck have you remained sane and still in this career. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:42

Like any tips. Just surrounded by two guys that give off good energy, I think.

Speaker 1 1:46

That's what well, yeah, you're not wrong, dude. It's like, you know, being surrounded by young people at work, you know, and yeah, you feed off energies in the studio. Do you not think?

Speaker 2 1:56

No wonder, no wonder he's glue twisted.

Speaker 1 2:00

I need some energy, give it to me.

Speaker 2:02

We come to you every day with that new business idea as well.

Speaker 1 2:05

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's hard, as you well know, but obviously, like once you get to a principal, we're not on as much as like you guys are for the call de ballet or anything. Like it's you get shows off, so there is some restway, like yeah.

Speaker 2:23

I do I do find like being on every night is really taxing in a different way, like mentally, too. That is so hard. You just did you just did R and J.

Speaker 2 2:31

Yeah, I was on every night, yeah. Flora and everything, like, dude, oh my god.

Speaker 1 2:36

And you you know, you don't get a life, like it's just work. I don't see just constant work.

Speaker 2:41

That's yeah, and that's something that people don't I don't think the general public realise too, is that being on every night is actually like even though it might not be a physically demanding role, like you're getting home at 11 30 later than the other.

Speaker 2 2:54

Yeah, even though your mind like your mind is in it, so you get mentally fatigued.

Speaker 1 2:58

Yeah, it's it's such a it's such a yeah, it is like even the ballet staff, like they watch all day long and then they watch all night. And it is mentally taxing, like in a it's just different to being physically exhausted, but yeah. Um but yeah, I don't know, tips. I mean you know that you you've gotta love this job to do it. Like if you don't love it, do you be in it for this long, yeah. You gotta you gotta love it. Otherwise, like what's the point?

Speaker 3:31

Yeah, I mean that's that's that's very valid. But even like physic physicality, like you you're a big believer in gym, right? Have you always been though?

Speaker 1 3:41

I mean, a little bit. Um we would work out, yeah, when we joined the company, we had a great gym at um the company that I first joined. Um, but not as much as what I do now. It was only until I got bad knee injury. Did you did you do something to make it clear? Yeah, I was on tour um no, I was doing a I was guesting in Japan. Um was doing Coppelia and in the solo I landed a double cab riole.

Speaker 4:06

Yeah, so it was it was actually something sudden just that impact and I felt it and I was like, oh that was weird.

Speaker 1 4:12

Finished the show and then afterwards it was crap. And took me a while to get back.

Speaker 4:19

Did you take time off to rehab it?

Speaker 1 4:22

Yeah, but I don't looking back now with what I know now in like strength and conditioning, I should have taken more time and I should have strengthened a whole lot more.

Speaker 4:32

Before or like during that rehab session?

Speaker 1 4:35

Well, yeah, should have taken time off, rehabbed properly, and then come back to dance. But you know, at that age, you're like, nah, I've got to get back on, you know. Yeah, I'm not gonna get promoted or whatever it is. Yeah, not gonna get that I really want to do that ballet.

Speaker 4:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is I was like that. I think I'm still a bit like everyone's like that.

Speaker 1 4:53

Yeah.

Speaker 4:54

Do you reckon you're still like that though now?

Speaker 1 4:56

You're a bit like, oh, I've got to like Yeah, so there's definitely still a part of me, yeah. I mean, look my knees are bad now, so and I'm still like, oh, I really want to do this piece. So I'm doing it.

Speaker 5:07

Still hungry as crap. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 5:10

And that you know, that hunger of you know, you've got to keep that going if you want to stay in in dancing like for this long.

Speaker 5:17

No.

Speaker 1 5:18

But yeah, strength and conditioning is is Do you reckon as well?

Speaker 5:21

Sorry, do you reckon like the world of uh rehab and like body awareness has come a long way since even you started your career?

Speaker 1 5:30

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5:31

I think among among ballet like ballet companies.

Speaker 1 5:33

Yeah, for sure. Um I think we did have that knowledge back then, but it's just it wasn't utilized enough, in my opinion. Um and I guess like education throughout the company, like the dancers, like that's also come up a lot. So like when young dancers join the company from the schools and stuff, they've already learned it all at school, or they know what they should do, not necessarily do it.

Speaker 6:01

Maybe some dancers do. I remember coming and joining the company, I said to um one of the physios, like, oh my calf's sore. And she was like, Okay, like let's do some tests. We did this, and she goes, like what part of your calf? Like, is it you? And I had no clue those parts of your calf. Yeah, I went, just my calf. And she goes , No, you gastroc, like or you soleus? I was like, No, no, no, just my calf. And then she goes, Yeah, which which part like do you reckon it is? And I went, I don't know, you're the physio. You didn't you tell me, grab it?

Speaker 1 6:28

You didn't do anatomy and uh I fell asleep.

Speaker 6:31

We did anatomy in my like in my school. Yeah, it was all at the end of the day after like training, yeah. And it was um we had it from like three o'clock to four o'clock. I I sat there, I had my lunch, and I used to like literally nod off like all the time. I just didn't do it. And I used to get up so early to travel, yeah. So it was yeah, long time.

Speaker 2 6:50

I used to make me feel really weird, like learning about my body and stuff.

Speaker 6:53

I used to get like really mad about learning about things that made me just learning in general made me so sick.

Speaker 2 7:02

Made me sick to the core. No, it made me feel like really sensory. I was like felt everything and felt so gross. Yeah, really, yeah, dude. And then I'll go into um variations class after that, stone cold, and I used to feel like like absolute crap. It was so bad.

Speaker 7:18

I I think you're more hyper-aware of your body nowadays.

Speaker 2 7:21

I think so, but that's because of my injuries. I think I never used to be. You never used to be like that.

Speaker 7:25

No, I feel like if I were to experience that, I'd be the same, dude. Yeah, I'd be the same. I'm so lucky.

Speaker 2 7:31

You did your knee, and you were like, oh no, I'm never gonna come back.

Speaker 7:34

No, I don't know. I I I thought I tore, yeah, during ethudes. That was bad. Did you see it? It was pretty crazy. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 7:41

You like landed on a straight leg.

Speaker 7:43

Straight leg, it went into hyper extension and rotated.

Speaker 1 7:46

Yeah, it was it was crazy.

Speaker 7:48

And then on stage, so for I'm gonna paint a picture, was I'm doing multiple double tours, and then for the last one, and I'm killing it, I'm crushing it. It's a tech rehearsal, everyone's applauding, they're going nuts. Yeah, standing ovation, that's right. Buck wild. And um, that's right, because you finished, and then you were like, Yeah, let's redo.

Speaker 2 8:09

Exactly.

Speaker 8:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And on the on the final on the redo of the final tour after doing 28 tours, I landed on a straight leg, hyper extended it, twisted it. Oh, that's crazy, and um, it made a pop noise, and that's what went like to my head, I wasn't in pain at all. I just went like, oh, that didn't feel good. But I know like I've seen people, the smell stopped. Nah, there's another fake, fake, yeah, false accusation, fake rumour. No, I did not, and um the pop, the pop noise was crazy. That's what I went through my head, it was like, oh mate, I reckon I've torn something. Yeah, and also the way I landed, the way the way it happened, I went, yeah, I've torn something this time Friday.

Speaker 2 8:55

Um, we'll post a photo. I'll post your photo because I've got it of me. So so Cam's on the floor, right? He did this injury, and everyone's around him, like, oh my god. Obviously, I I got a box for him to put his leg on. I remember doing that, and I was like, A box, yeah.

Speaker 9:10

Sucking a deep. Yeah, well, sick, bud. No, that's trying to help me out a little bit.

Speaker 2 9:14

But he's already got like three people around him, and Sue was there. And I was like, screw this. I got my phone out, started taking photos. Yeah, people are like, oh my god, that's so rude. I was like, no, he's gonna thank me for this. And I remember we had a look at a while ago, and you're laughing at him. It was it was pretty good, yeah.

Speaker 9:28

It's pretty good, and then also another physical thing like recovery. You're a big believer in that too. Yeah, yeah, you love the compression boost. We just speak about that, yeah. Normal tech. Normal tech boots. Get on the boost.

Speaker 2 9:40

Oh, do you own a pair?

Speaker 1 9:41

No, um, I want to get some. I asked my wife and she said no.

Speaker 9:48

Honestly, you asked your wife.

Speaker 1 9:53

Well, then you should have just bought it. I was like, babe, can I get some of these? She's like, No. No, she said, How much are they? And I told her how much they were. She's like, How much are they? Two grand, something like that. I was like, babe, but this could like you know prolong my career even longer. She's like, nah, just give up. Even she knows, man. I mean, she jokes about it all the time. So when are you gonna retire?

Speaker 10:16

God, it's actually insane. Yeah, it's so good, dude. Yeah, and you're still like you just did Romeo too, which is incredible.

Speaker 2 10:22

Yeah, like crazy. It's just another segue. You met Jenna in the dance world, yeah? I don't know. Was that in Birmingham?

Speaker 1 10:30

Yeah, yes, and she's technically we we were at school at the same time. Oh, young love, but we no, we didn't like speak or anything.

Speaker 10:40

Did Jenna go to real ball school?

Speaker 1 10:42

Yeah, she went to the upper school, yeah. Well, she was in her last year when I was in my first year at the upper school.

Speaker 2 10:49

Whoa, cougar, yeah, cradle snatcher, dude. Dude, what's with the cradle snatchers? Because uh, I'm younger, you're younger, yeah, and you're younger.

Speaker 10:57

Jeez, because we're wise beyond our years. Yeah. I looked at you, I saw you send that one. Oh wise beyond our years.

Speaker 1 11:09

Yeah, we need someone to tame us, I guess.

Speaker 11:12

Yeah, true, yeah. What was your opening line to Jenna?

Speaker 1 11:17

Oh gosh, come on, you gotta pull it out.

Speaker 11:20

We we've been doing this with everyone.

Speaker 1 11:22

We're going back a long way. I don't know. I can't remember. I just remember like going out dancing, like when we were in the core and stuff, like you go out clubbing and whatever.

Speaker 11:33

Do you have like a club dance move that you're like, hell yeah, this attracts the females?

Speaker 1 11:38

Oh yeah, the face. Oh, the face, she and yeah. Oh no, I saw you. And I obviously like whenever I dance with Jenna, I always pull it, and she's like, oh god. She melts at her knees, get away from me. I need space. Uh can't help it. Yeah, it comes out peacocking.

Speaker 2 11:56

Yeah. Yeah, popped the chest out a bit. Oh yeah. I've been nailing the gym, babe. Gym's my life. Yeah, nice.

Speaker 12:05

I don't know why I segue it, I had to. Yeah, I love it. So back to the question: how do you deal with physical exhaustion on stage and how do you prepare your body for multiple shows without burnout? Like we've talked about gym and we've talked about you know preparing your body and just looking after it in a physical way. Yeah. We've talked about a bit of recovery, like the normal tech boots and just like looking after that. Do you have like um because I think the mental load is more something to focus on than the physical, I believe. Like I think if you if you're if you start to get mentally fatigued, I think that goes that channels through in a physical aspect of that.

Speaker 1 12:42

Yeah, no, I agree with that. Um I think I I'm a big believer in if you put the work in or the you know, like doing all the rehearsals or like, you know, pre-season, whatever, you put the miles in there, then you know, you'll be able to cope with anything that you've got for the rest of the season, basically. And it's finding those it's like a roller coaster, like it's finding those moments where you can chill and relax and um you know recover like mentally and physically. But you know, also like making sure that you're getting everything done in the gym, working hard in the studio, you know, if you prepare yourself, if you uh try and over-prepare prepare yourself without fatiguing yourself, then you know, what's to come on stage, you know you can handle that because you in the back of your head you're like, I've you know, I've prepared for this, um I've put the work in. And that'll give you a psychological like advantage.

Speaker 13:42

Like that's so good. Yeah, I agree with that. But um yeah, even preparing like I'm saying Remy again, but it's like what's on my mind because it's most recent. But like when you feel really prepared for a role, it's incredible. Because I've had moments of like not feeling super prepared, and it's been really jarring on stage, and I feel like you with nerves and everything like that, your body does random things too. Yeah, and even with that, like when you are prepared and you like you kind of push yourself in those rehearsals, your body knows what's what's about to come. Yeah, and also you're gonna find the the the balance of not pushing it too much where you're like, Oh, I'm now gassed before I've even begun. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 14:25

So it is it is a juggling act, and I think a lot of it is, but you know, that's also like part of the ex like my experience. Like, so like yeah, like I've had shows where I've not felt prepared and I've not done as well as I hoped I would do. And I, you know, I go back and reflect on that and I say, well, that's on me because I didn't put enough work in, you know, I wasn't fit enough, I wasn't strong enough, or whatever.

Speaker 14:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1 14:49

Um and yeah, like you said, it's all the mental side of it of being on stage and the pressure and everything like that. So like if you can at least tick off, well, I'm I've improved my fitness and I've improved my strength, so that's the two things I don't need to worry about now.

Speaker 15:05

Yeah.

Speaker 1 15:06

So then it's just you know the rest of it. But at least you're not battling multiple things, it's you're trying to lessen the load of what you're battling against.

Speaker 15:17

Dude, and that's how you remain in the industry for 20 plus years. Dude, hell yeah. All right, I feel like we we answered the hell out of that question now with with like 40 different segues.

Speaker 2 15:29

Another segway, uh, six-year-old Cameron comes up to you, right? All right, no, no, this is this is a good one and goes. I I love ballet, I want to dance ballet. What are you telling this young kid? Get out.

Speaker 1 15:49

Where's your parent?

Speaker 15:52

Why do you look like that dude? Why is your hairline so far back?

Speaker 2 15:59

Yeah, get on um hair supplement pills now computing.

Speaker 16:12

So this take me. Um here's my intro, ready? Oh, here we go.

Speaker 2 16:17

That's my favorite part.

Speaker 3 16:21

There are ten, but that's great.

Speaker 16:28

Great, that's great. Alright, so Joey and I have been obsessed with this game.

Speaker 1 16:33

Have we played it with you? Yes, of course. You've played it with me.

Speaker 16:35

Wait, have we?

Speaker 1 16:36

You have.

Speaker 16:36

Oh, there are ten?

Speaker 1 16:38

Yeah.

Speaker 16:38

Oh, yeah. I didn't know I played it with you. Played with Jarryd, he loves it.

Speaker 1 16:41

Dude, we did it like all day on one of the Thursday. Oh, we did two. Oh, that's okay.

Speaker 16:47

So our listeners, there are ten, but and then you give them a new rating. Yeah. But we've made this ballet related because why not?

Speaker 1 16:54

Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 16:55

Alright, so okay. There are ten, but he wears a really old jock and you can see everything.

Speaker 1 17:03

Yeah. Oh three.

Speaker 17:07

Three.

Speaker 1 17:09

I thought you'd enjoy that a bit more.

Speaker 17:12

Nah, it's yeah, it's distracting as hell. Dude, I'm not watching how good of a like dancer you are. I'm I'm out. I'm watching that. And when it's jumping around as you're jumping around, I'm out.

Speaker 2 17:23

We were we were talking about this in the change room the other day, right? If we came on stage, right, and did a performance butt naked. Well, no, no, no, in a like legit conversation in our whole change room. Yeah, would you just get desensitized to your penis being out? You know what I mean? Like it's going on 30 minutes and they're still on and they got their their penises out, you go, oh yeah, whatever. Start enjoying the dance more.

Speaker 17:47

Yeah, I reckon no, I reckon I reckon the first show would be a bit jarring, especially when you got audience and lights on it.

Speaker 1 17:54

Do you mean as a an audience member or as a performer?

Speaker 17:57

Yeah, which one are you talking about?

Speaker 2 17:59

Uh both, I guess. Both.

Speaker 18:01

I I think I think you'd switch off more as a performer.

Speaker 2 18:06

Yeah.

Speaker 18:07

I reckon.

Speaker 2 18:07

Yeah, I think you'd get used to it, you'd lock into flow state. Imagine like curtain opens in Copeland, butt naked, just standing there. You're going, oh my god.

Speaker 1 18:19

And then by the hour and 20 minutes, uh you're just looking at the dancing at the end.

Speaker 2 18:23

Yeah. I don't know. I'll be still looking.

Speaker 18:26

Till till the very end. Yeah.

Speaker 2 18:29

Just like, oh where what are the what's it doing now in the jump? You know, why is it doing that? Yeah. You know? It's dangerous though. It is dangerous.

Speaker 18:36

I've done a double cabriol without a a jock. Yeah. So you so brave. No, it was during COVID times, and I didn't wear a jock because I didn't want to. And I was like, I haven't done a double cabriole in like four months. So I went for one, and you let the bits get in between your legs. Yeah, you beat your legs.

Speaker 2 18:59

It's a good cover story because he was telling me this the other day. He was pulling it uh in the bedroom. He's like, Hey Sarah, check this out. Double cab butt naked on the bed. Yeah, yeah. Off the bed. COVID times. I like it. Idiot.

Speaker 19:12

So you gave him a three. What did you give him?

Speaker 2 19:14

Uh I'll go, yeah, three as well.

Speaker 19:17

All right.

Speaker 2 19:18

Next question. There are ten. Oh, there are ten. But when you have a conversation with them, they pantomime. Ballet pantomime.

Speaker 3 19:25

What the heck?

Speaker 2 19:28

So every time I don't like so what ballet pantomime is is in all the like in Sleeping Beauty. It's like, I promise to just mime in general. Yeah, they're ballet mime. Ballet mime. But it's like every time. Yeah. I don't want a coffee. Oh yeah, that's I'll have a drink. That's a one. Yeah. No, not that. It'd be kind of funny. Okay, five. Five.

Speaker 19:55

What? Yeah. If they were if they were doing mime every time we spoke, like, no. Get out. Come on. No. I love this bit. I promise. Stop. Stop moving. Yeah, stop.

Speaker 1 20:08

A one. Dude. Oh, I want to segue. Especially if they think it's really funny as well.

Speaker 20:13

Oh yeah. Here we go again. Alright. Next one. Blames the floor for falling out of pirouettes. That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. There are 10. But yeah, they every time. Every time they fall out of pirouette, they blame the floor.

Speaker 2 20:31

And and what makes it worse, they point at the spot where they're they make it really clear that it's the floor's fault, not I mean it's not that bad, but it is annoying.

Speaker 1 20:43

So it's a full call as well. So we're all watching it.

Speaker 2 20:47

We're just escalating it a bit. He stops the pianist. Oh, they stop the pianist. Sorry. Pianist. Yeah, they go, oh, sorry, but can we redo that section? Pianist.

Speaker 1 20:59

Umestro. It's not that bad though, because you know, sometimes the floor is slippery. So six.

Speaker 21:06

Six. I I I'll second that. Six. What do you four? Four.

Speaker 2 21:12

I find it so annoying.

Speaker 21:13

All right.

Speaker 2 21:13

I'm like, come on, bro. I know like when the floor is slippery, I'm like, I'll get it. But when it's like it's every time. Yeah. Come on, come on. Alright. There are ten, but always takes your deodorant without asking. Yeah. So you use your deodorant, you put you make sure it's the face in the right way. You wait.

Speaker 21:33

You've got the HD, right?

Speaker 2 21:34

No, no, no.

Speaker 21:36

He's just stingy as hell. So I've used his deodorant once. And he was like, who used my deodorant? Did you touch my deodorant? Because I didn't put it in the exact same location with the label facing him.

Speaker 2 21:47

No, even even like people have used my deodorant and put made it sure it's like facing the right way. But I just pick it up and I go, This is liner. I just know.

Speaker 21:56

But there was there was one you were crashing out in the in the locker room. Locker room is crashed out and he goes, Someone's using my deodorant. Literally, no one's used his deodorant. He's just losing his mind. Paranoid. Yeah.

Speaker 1 22:08

Um, yeah, that's not too bad. Okay. Okay. Eight. Eight, okay. I got eight. Okay. Maybe nine. Yeah. Oh, it's not that bad. Okay. It's just deodorant. Yeah. True. What about it? Like they're a ten, but they're really anal about their deodorant.

Speaker 2 22:25

Oh, yeah, I'd say that's probably about an eight as well.

Speaker 22:31

Alright. They're a ten, but they want to practice the kiss every rehearsal. Oh yeah, ten.

Speaker 3 22:38

It's in Oscar. Well.

Speaker 22:51

Whether it's a manless or not, doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 22:54

Affection, it's affection. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. That's a classic as well. So whenever there's a kiss involved in a ballet, you always go up to your partner and go, Oh, I was just wondering if we could practice that up the back. It makes it makes you it's it's a great laugh every time. It works.

Speaker 23:11

It instantly breaks the ice.

Speaker 2 23:12

It's a great laugh. I'm telling you guys.

Speaker 23:14

Take it to the next level and be like, I think we should use tongue in certain parts. Yeah. Have you tried that?

Speaker 2 23:19

Yeah, yeah. No, I have, dude. I've tried it all. Come on, man. You know me.

Speaker 23:24

No wonder you got HR.

Speaker 1 23:27

Wait, have you kissed someone on stage? Yes. I have. In what ballet?

Speaker 23:31

Um choreographed, but yeah.

Speaker 2 23:36

There was one it was uh, I think it was just one time actually. Yeah, one time. It was the dream. I was just like the side characters and they kissed? With Dash. Yeah. I don't know. I'm like, yeah, we're happy. And just like um, all right. They're attend, but they always ask to practice all their lifts before the show. Oh that's a no no. That's not it. It drives me nuts.

Speaker 24:02

That's a good one.

Speaker 2 24:03

I'm like, we've practiced this in the studio, we don't need to do it again.

Speaker 24:06

I I second that. Yeah, I think that goes down to a four for me.

Speaker 1 24:10

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't think I've ever had that though. Oh, really? Yeah. Don't want to practice every lift.

Speaker 2 24:15

Yeah, yeah. Or like just one certain one. We're like, oh no, no, I need to try this one just before the show. One's okay.

Speaker 1 24:21

I don't mind that.

Speaker 2 24:22

Oh, really?

Speaker 24:23

I don't mind if there's like a new partner and you've never done anything together before.

Speaker 2 24:26

That's fine. That's fine.

Speaker 24:27

But if it's the same person, has happened every show. Yeah. It has to do it. It was like a it was it was uh like a superstition now. Yeah, well come on, now you're involving me in your superstition. Making it worse. Yeah. That's cool.

Speaker 2 24:41

Oh two. Just oh, I hate it. I hate it. What about you? Yeah, I think four on that one.

Speaker 24:49

Oh, I've got a good one. All right. They mail thank you to the audience on their bows.

Speaker 2 24:57

Thank you. Yeah, thank you, and then bows. And then it gets up and then it goes, thank you again, and then bows.

Speaker 25:03

It's and it's a it's a noticeable thing. Are they doing a couple of nodes? They're doing a head nod.

Speaker 1 25:07

Do you know anyone who does this? Oh, I don't know, yeah.

Speaker 25:10

You do know. Yes, I do.

Speaker 1 25:12

Go and say and then bleep out.

Speaker 25:14

Oh, that's that's funny. Dude, he does it all the time.

Speaker 1 25:17

Yeah, he's like, um, but that's not that bad.

Speaker 25:20

You don't think it's that bad?

Speaker 1 25:22

Nah. Eight.

Speaker 2 25:23

Eight? Yeah, probably about an eight. I'm not, it doesn't really b-nine. Doesn't really bother me.

Speaker 1 25:29

If they're a ten.

Speaker 25:31

There are ten, but they mount thank you. All right, my nah, still ten.

Speaker 1 25:35

It's not that bad. Honestly, not that bad.

Speaker 25:37

It's not that bad. I'm gonna eight. You've lost me. You've lost me. Yeah, you've lost me. The bow is enough. You you bow. You don't need to say thank you.

Speaker 2 25:47

All right, they're a ten, but has to blame the music for all their mistakes. Oh I'd say that's a five. I mean, this is more towards you, Joe. Like four. Yeah, because I mean you always make mistakes and blame it on the music. So you just got it. Your face was like, oh.

Speaker 26:08

So Joe's a 10 out of 10, but uh oh wait.

Speaker 2 26:13

Uh uh. All right, last one to end it. They're a 10, but can't take corrections because it's too good for it. Oh yeah, that's sick. Yeah, that aggravates me. You know? Let me explain. So you're the high roller, right? Okay, pull up in your rolls, always you got cash to splash. We got some ideas. I'd say great, and you have to invest, just like the show, you know. All right, but Cam's fish tank. Cam's fish tank. All right. Now, this might be really relatable to you, Joe. Okay. All right, it's called the Darn King. The Darn King. All right. Why is that relatable? Uh yeah. Okay. So, Joe, you know you hate sewing your point shoes. And I know you hate Darny. Your shoes as well. Well, I have just a thing for you. It's a sewing machine that fits perfectly on your point shoe. Right? Give me out, give me out. It's like a crown, but um, it's like a crown for your point shoe. You take the darn king and it slide it down the point shoe and it automatically adjusts accordingly to your shoe size. It will then lock into place and darn the shoe with ease. Just think about a world where you don't have to darn another point shoe again. The darn king will do all the hard work for you. All you have to do is crown your shoe. That suck! How's that suck?

Speaker 1 28:01

Bro, like, does anyone darn their shoes anymore? Oh, heaps of people do. Do they?

Speaker 28:05

Yeah, it's just small market. No, no, isn't I feel like this device is gonna cost money to make.

Speaker 2 28:10

Who who darns their shoes? I'll say 70% of dancers at the Osball. I would I'd say, yeah, 70%. No, I don't agree with that.

Speaker 28:25

But what where are you getting that stat from? Yeah.

Speaker 1 28:27

I don't know. You just look at Bro go into work today and have a look and see who darns their shoes.

Speaker 2 28:32

Oh, I bet.

Speaker 1 28:32

I'll bet ya. I'll see more danced shoes than. If it's 70% of the dancers, I'll invest.

Speaker 28:39

Oh all right, all right. We need to uh interject for our listeners. Joey, do you want to explain what darning is?

Speaker 2 28:46

Oh, yeah, of course. Of course, I'm very sorry. So what darning is is on the the balance point of the the point shoe where the girls stand on point, they sew a little ring around the the edge of the point shoe to make the balance point of that a little bit wider and a little bit more stable for them. Is it that is that why?

Speaker 1 29:07

Is that why? Yeah, it's nothing to do with slip or anything. No. No, I think it's just because these guys can't balance.

Speaker 3 29:16

Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 29:17

No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. All right, why I'll start picking fights with all my market, my market.

Speaker 29:23

I thought mine was really bad, but yours is pretty bad.

Speaker 2 29:26

How's that bad? Oh, okay. Well, I mean, I might get a lot of the girls commenting going, that was amazing. I'd love that. Thanks.

Speaker 1 29:35

Uh I don't think it'll sell well, so I'm out. Oh Jesus. Well, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

Speaker 29:40

Yeah, wait until wait until you hear my crappy idea. Okay, so I suck at waking up in the morning, and this brilliant idea came to me like two days ago. I'm quite proud of it. Now, Joe, when you're away from Lyra, do you ever miss someone waking you up and giving you that spike of cortisol first thing in the morning? Well, I've got a gadget for you. Holy sheet. That's right, yeah. This gadget attaches to your bed frame, and when your alarm goes off, so do your bed sheets. No more. Oh gosh, I'm tired, I can't wake up. Now you're experiencing something straight out of a horror movie, right? Every morning. Who doesn't want that?

Speaker 2 30:17

No.

Speaker 30:17

The sheets get ripped off straight off the bed, launching you into your day, whether you're ready or not. Holy shit, because being gently awakened is for freaking losers. Also, I I want to incorporate it's not in my business pitch, but it makes you bed after. So it's like it checks the sheets off, and you're like, God. And then, you know, you're not gonna lie there like, do you sleep naked?

Speaker 2 30:46

No. No, I don't. Oh, do you?

Speaker 30:49

Sometimes, yeah. What so I'm not gonna lie there naked like with no sheets on me, freezing cold in winter. So you get out of bed. And then as soon as you get out of bed, it just makes it.

Speaker 1 30:59

Okay. I like the bed making bit, that's good. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 31:02

You don't like the horror part?

Speaker 1 31:04

Yeah, I love it. Um it's a good pitch though. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, I was quite. Slogan probably could do with a bit of work. Oh, okay.

Speaker 31:14

The freaking losers. What about just losers? Get rid of the freaking is that the problem? Oh, um, because being gently awakened is for freaking losers.

Speaker 2 31:28

Yeah. Honestly, I I'll invest. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Honestly, this wasn't because no Alana, Alana, dude. Oh my god, she's so bad.

Speaker 31:40

I'm terrible at mornings.

Speaker 2 31:41

Yeah, she's like, oh, give me an extra 30 minutes and turns into an hour. And I'm like, I'm already done stuff, taking the dog for a walk and stuff. She's still in bed.

Speaker 31:47

Yeah, come on. Well, I I'm that every morning, and Sarah has to deal with it. Alright, Joe, you've got any questions for both of us.

Speaker 1 31:55

Can you talk a bit more about how it makes the bed?

Speaker 31:58

You're really interested in that part. Okay, I see you. I hear you.

Speaker 1 32:02

Yeah, making the bed in the morning is not not fun.

Speaker 32:05

Do you sleep with a flat sheet or just a duvet?

Speaker 1 32:08

Um both.

Speaker 32:10

Oh no. I didn't really think about the flat sheet.

Speaker 1 32:12

Jenna makes it red, he doesn't know.

Speaker 32:17

He's like, What's a flat sheet? Yeah, yeah. Oh what? Um, well, it attaches to the sheets.

Speaker 2 32:26

In my brain, I'm trying to put like a cord through the duvet, and then the cord attaches to the top corners. Oh, yeah, rips it down, and it just uncoils.

Speaker 32:36

I was just thinking of two clips, one at the base and one at the like the top of the duvet. So, but yeah, the cord might work. And it's like a little tracking system at the bottom of your bed. So, like pulls it up, pulls it down.

Speaker 1 32:48

Good idea, Cameron. Was me. What's and what's the the darn king made of? Is it like plastic?

Speaker 2 32:56

Yeah, it's just probably like your plastic, you know. Uh I'll I'll say six-month warranty.

Speaker 33:05

And then um, yeah, it's just you were just rattling off statistics hoping you wouldn't get him.

Speaker 2 33:10

Yeah, six-month warranty. Um, and then uh we give you a couple things of darn last year, last year probably two sows. Is that it? Well, that's how you get them. That's how you get them subscription service to the specific darn for the machine, right? So you can't just buy any others. Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:37

All right, that's quite interesting.

Speaker 33:39

Yeah, I could add a subscription to mine too, I reckon. That's quite good. The premium version, yeah.

Speaker 2 33:47

Comes with an alarm clock.

Speaker 1 33:51

Yeah. Uh I've got to say Cam's idea is probably better. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 33:56

I want to say, yeah, I would say it's three dudes talking about darling point.

Speaker 34:07

To wrap up, wrap up the potty. Yeah, we've got some rapid fire already. So don't just bang whatever comes to mind. Okay. Okay. Okay. What would you tell your younger self?

Speaker 1 34:17

Give up. I'd taken. Do football instead.

unknown 34:23

Okay.

Speaker 1 34:24

I like it.

Speaker 2 34:25

I like it. That's that's pretty relatable. Weirdest thing you've Googled? Probably like blue waffle or something. Yeah, because it's got blueberries on top. I like it.

Speaker 1 34:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that.

Speaker 34:41

Favourite role you performed?

Speaker 1 34:44

I do like Romeo. Cool. But then Akram's Giselle is also a great role. Nice. I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 2 34:52

Oh, give me give me one more. Best three. Give me one more.

Speaker 1 34:55

Um Le Jeune Homme et la Mort. That was a great role. I have no idea what that is. What's what ballet is that? It's a roll and petit ballet. It's um it's great. You should have a look at it.

Speaker 2 35:06

Alright, I'll just search it up. I don't even know how to spell it, but that's okay. Something French. I'll just let my dyslexic take over. It helps. Uh, what's your most useless talent? Like, I don't know. Darts.

Speaker 1 35:21

Great.

Speaker 35:22

Darts.

Speaker 1 35:23

Darts.

Speaker 35:25

What's the happiest part of your day right now?

Speaker 1 35:28

Uh either waking up in the morning and Lyra, my daughter, wanting to play, or getting home and she's there, runs and she's like, Daddy. Oh, that's the best thing. That's cute.

Speaker 35:42

One thing you wish you were better at?

Speaker 2 35:44

That way. Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 1 35:49

You're meant to answer me on your behalf. Um saving money.

Speaker 35:55

Oh, same. And the last one?

Speaker 2 35:57

Uh very last one. Yep. Okay. Now, how does it feel to be in a room of with two legends surrounded by legends? And you're a legend too on a legendary podcast. How's that feel? It feels legendary.

Speaker 3 36:16

I just started I don't written down my screen.

Speaker 36:20

I'll put the phone down. It was supposed to be. I was like, how does it feel to be a legend? And you go, you interrupt. I was like, surrounded by two legends on a legendary podcast. Yeah. Legends on legends, well.

Speaker 3 36:32

Anyway.

Speaker 36:33

Well played. Uh thanks for being on the potty bud. Appreciate it so much. Yeah, of course. So good. Pleasure.

Speaker 1 36:41

Loved it. Thanks, guys.

Speaker 36:42

Oh, thanks, buddy. Hell yeah. Um, yeah.