King Stu

In this week’s episode, Prima and Pancake are thinking about Donald's late father, King Stu, FULLSOME, and The Knicks.

Hosted by The Prima Donald (@theprimadonald) & Pink Pancake (@hausofpancake)

Produced by Luke Martin (AKA Straight Luke) & kind of sort of by Peter Schum

Art by Curtis Brown Photography

Music by Jack Rayner

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:23

Okay, think it's it's time to think it's a good Welcome back to you thing out of the cast by two games.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

I definitely don't. My name is Pink Pancake. And I'm the Prima Donald. And we have a very special guest in the studio today. We are here with Donald's very lovely mother and my second mother. It's Mama Lisa Adler. Everyone make some noises.

SPEAKER_04 1:01

Now I know you can't see her or hear her because she's not on the mic, but she might laugh or she might be horrified.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Who knows? Maybe we'll ask her to like talk a little, but we don't know. We don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:11

Yeah, so like kind of the rule for the podcast for Michael is his parents cannot listen to this. Um my parents can. My dad can, unfortunately, because of you know um death, but my mom can and she does.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

And she's currently live in the studio. And if you want to have the same experience, just swipe into her Instagram. Yeah. If you pay us enough money, we too will let you sit in live and yes. We have a one-person studio audience. Yeah, we have one person studio audience, so that could be you. If you want to bring a friend, we'll work it out. Um, today's a really special episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:43

Very special episode because we're recording this on my dad's birthday. So it is Juneteenth today, which is also my father's, it would have been his 70th birthday. Um, so this is the Stew special. It's also our second to last pride episode, but more importantly, it's the Stew special. Yeah, it's more important to be. Today we're gonna honor him and raise a glass. And I know that this is a podcast, so a lot of you are listening to this.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Yeah, and we actually, I just looked and saw last week's episode, I think I got like 14 views on YouTube. Oh, that was pretty good. But we're getting like hundreds on the on the listen-only option.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Okay, good. Yeah. Um, so just imagine us raising raising a glass to our kings. Yeah, literally, literally, cheers. Cheers. Um do the clink into a mic. Did you hear that? You guys hear that? You hear that? Okay. Um, so just get right into our first segment. Okay, ready? Wait, put your finger down there so it's three, two, one, clink.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

That was nice.

SPEAKER_04 2:43

I mean, I'm sorry, but if I was listening to this and heard such a crisp clink, yeah, to celebrate.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

A smr lover. Uh, we have three segments in this podcast. Segment number one is called Easy. That's when we talk about what we're thinking about. Segment number two is called Group Think. That's when we talk about what the world at large is thinking about of pop culture and the like. And then segment number three is called What Do You Even Think? And that we will get into. But let's let's start about what we're even thinking about.

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Okay, well, I'm randomly thinking about my father this week. And I just bumped into the mic. Um, and how much I love him. But um, so this week has been uh a holy trinity of different events. It's been uh the one-year anniversary of my father's death, which was on Sunday the 14th. Then it was his birthday today, then it is Father's Day on Sunday, so it's truly a holy trinity of uh feel grief. But I will say, because like I am who I am, I'm such a planner that I planned this grieving down, honey. Yeah. I really did. I was like, so here's my grief schedule. I even shared it with my bosses. So here's my grief schedule for the next week and how I will be participating in this. Just wanted to shout that out. Um, so I really structured this, starting with Sunday was the death anniversary of my dad. I had a work event, which I did, and I did my responsibilities, honey. And then me, my sister, and Peter got tattoos, which you were there for. What was your experience like?

SPEAKER_01 4:13

Um, it was really beautiful. They they all got matching uh small crown tattoos because we used to call him King Stew. We still call him King Stew. Yeah. Um, and if you're watching right now, Donald is showing his tattoo to the world. Peter actually drew the tattoo on a piece of paper, and that is exactly what everyone got. And you know, I would have thought that you would have done this months ago, but instead you did it an hour before. Or even minutes before. Minutes before. Well, even when they got there, they changed their drawing. So I, you know, it's like something that's on them forever, and I appreciate that. And and you're such a planner that it's amazing that you decided, let me wait till the last second to figure out exactly the the drawing of the crown. Maybe mom doesn't isn't happy to hear them.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

Well, no, Peter drew about a hundred different options. I'd say like one million. Yeah. And I and so I said, you know what? I want to get there and just feel what I think is right. Um, so I was like, I'm sure I'm gonna like one of his. And then I got there and I was like, none of them feel right. So then I was like, okay, wait, how do we and then I asked the tattoo parlor, I was like, Do you have any little crown examples? And they showed me one, and I was like, okay, I do like that one, but I kind of like it mixed with this other one that Peter's done. So then I asked Peter to blend the two, and then I was like, This is my special little crown.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

And the guy who did your tattoo was so sweet, so nice. Couldn't tell if he was gay or not, but I can't tell you.

SPEAKER_04 5:41

He might be gay, queer, whatever. He's probably queer. He's probably LGBT.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

You guys, this is at Red Ink Studio in Hell's Kitchen. And can I say something about so you said tattoo parlor, and remember I was talking about massage parlor? Right. When do we say parlor and when don't we say parlor? And I feel like maybe we never say parlor ever in the stay and ice cream parlor. Ice cream parlor? Yeah. That's a thing your mom is saying, parlor. So many things are more things are parlors than than you might even know.

SPEAKER_04 6:10

Yeah, and if you're a parlor listening to this right now, just know we see you. And we're looking into each and every camera and we see you. Um, but yeah, we had a fun tattoo night, and then we got Indian food, we went to a drag show. So that was like, I was like, okay, that's how I'm celebrating. Oh, also because um type A in terms of grieving. I had so a year ago when I got gifts, um, when my dad was uh he had just passed, and like people were sending gifts for like the next two weeks. I had Peter write down every person who gave me a gift and what it was, and then I was like in such a haze those few weeks I didn't even get to thank people, but I kept the receipts, honey. And then I had pre-scheduled text to go to everyone to thank them at 8 a.m. the morning of the one-year anniversary. And I was like, dear blank, like thank you so much for sending you know that pie a year ago. I got that text too. Yeah, I pre-scheduled it. Yeah. Um, I sent it to everyone because I was like, I don't want to have to think about this on the day, but I do want to thank these folks. And I'm like, I don't know a good time to do it. It's been so long. So I so but I like scheduled them all, and then I like woke up that morning and kind of forgot that I you can schedule a text. Oh yeah, honey.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

You'll learn something new every day.

SPEAKER_04 7:23

I love to schedule a text.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

If you maybe if you go to the Apple Genius parlor, then they'll tell you how to do that.

SPEAKER_04 7:30

Um okay, because this is an educational podcast, I want everyone to get out your phones, okay? Get out your phones, yeah. Type something into a text message. Say, hey Diva. Are you typing it? You're typing it? Hey Diva.

SPEAKER_01 7:44

Your mom is actually typing it right now. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:46

Then you're gonna go to the plus button on the left. You're gonna scroll down to send later.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Send later.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

And then you can decide the time.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

And do the people know it was sent later? No.

unknown 7:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Fabulous. That's really cool. No, it's fabulous. Wow. That's fabulous. Uh wow. Okay. So we're learning a lot. So we're learning a lot.

SPEAKER_04 8:07

Anyway, so that was that day. Then on Wednesday, it took the day off of work, and me and my siblings had a fabulous day of celebrating my dad together. Um, we went to all of his favorite spots or some of his favorite spots. He had many, many favorite spots.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

The favorite of the favorite spots.

SPEAKER_04 8:22

But we went to his favorite breakfast place. We got a lotto ticket um at the place where he would spend way too much money on lotto tickets. We went to the movies at noon in Suscare Movie 6. Now, this part was Google Lala. So basically, so we went to the movies and we used to go to the movies all the time with my dad, and um an iconic thing about him is that he would fall asleep in movies and snore extremely loudly. Um, but it never like really bothered me because I got so used to it. Um, but it definitely bothered those around him. Uh but, anyways, we went to the movies noon on a Wednesday, so there was like really nobody in the theater except for, and usually we would sit in the aisle because that was the easiest access for my dad to go out to the bathroom. But we're like, unfortunately he's not here. We can now sit in the middle. Um, so we sat in the middle and we're like, okay, like here we are. But there was a man sitting in the aisle. Anyways, the movie is halfway through and he is snoring boots. He is snoring so loudly, and we my siblings and I just look at each other and we're like, he's with us. Like we have a loud snoring man in the theater who happens to be here at noon on a Wednesday. Were there anyone like who else? It was one other person in the in this corner left corner of the theater. Alone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

So just four people. Yeah, like literally. It was like four or five people, and one of them was really snoring.

SPEAKER_04 9:50

And his snores really did sound like my dad's. Um, it was it was iconic, honestly. Um, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

And he went to and wait, first, I wanted to tell us the story of going to the movies. Get into it. Favorite story is Donald, I think you saw the other other people. It was called Other People. It's like my favorite movie ever.

SPEAKER_04 10:12

Wait, I forget what that is.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Other people, it was um the guy who did uh the other two, he wrote that movie about uh it was about a gay guy who has to return home and his mom is dying up to Smolly Shannon.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

Yeah, I feel like it's called something other than that. Other people, other people. It's so good.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

If you guys want to watch it, you should. I think it's literally one of my top five favorite movies. Me too, and I forgot. Yeah. Okay, it's okay. Um, but you had already seen it, right? Yes. And then did you already see it with your dad?

SPEAKER_04 10:38

Now I remember the story. I had seen it, but not with my dad.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Not with your dad. Uh, but you were like, okay, there's an 11 a.m. screening on a Sunday where like you, me, my dad are all going to this movie too.

SPEAKER_04 10:52

Well, I forgot about that too.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

And it was also like not super packed. It was 11 a.m. on a Sunday, like the opportune time to see a movie. Right. And I was so moved by this movie. You know, a movie is called a movie because it's it can help. It makes you move. Yeah, and the people on the screen usually move too. Uh, and I was really moved. I was really moved. And I start like at the end of the movie, I am hysterically audibly sobbing.

SPEAKER_04 11:17

And I'm sitting there like looking forward, and then I hear like I'm like, is this man really like sobbing? Yeah, like not like tears dropping.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

Not not tears, like sobbing, audibly sobbing and with your dad, and he was really supportive of me. And he goes, Did you like it? I think he also like called me gay or something, which was funny. He was really funny about it, but all he held space for me, made fun of me, and was supportive at the same time.

SPEAKER_04 11:46

And that's beautiful, and that's exactly who he was. Um, that is funny. Yeah, so my dad loved the movies, he was an AMC A-list stubs member, um, which I did have until he passed, and then I was like, unfortunately, like this is not um a cost that I should continue. Um, but anyways, we had a great time. Then we went to his apartment, um, and my brother and sister and I taught my uncle Gary how to cook a little bit because my dad used to like cook him meals. Um how was that? It was great, it felt like such a beautiful thing to do. We went around.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Do you think Gary will do so he learned?

SPEAKER_04 12:23

He took notes on a pen and paper.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

If he calls you, just like talking, maybe like the first few times.

SPEAKER_04 12:29

Well, he used to call Johnny because Johnny was the one really teaching him how to cook, and I was like, Johnny. I was there for vibes, I think. Yeah. Um, but it was really sweet. I thought it it might have been like more difficult to return to my dad's apartment, but it was this was your second time or third time? Second or third time. I haven't gone in like nine or ten months. Um, and it was like a little spooky, but it was great. We had a good time, and I took a nap in his bed, and then I went out. Where did you go? Brooklyn. Then I went to watch the Las Culturisas Awards. Right, right, right, right, right. And there was a screening, and Matt and Bowen showed up, which was awesome. And I got to watch the Las Culturisas Awards with them, which was so great to see them watch their work and and hear the laughter of the folks there and see what was hitting, and it was incredible.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

I watched it last night, it was so funny.

SPEAKER_04 13:25

Yeah, I really loved it. I'm excited to re-watch it because like I know I was there and I know it was like so instrumental to it in terms of posting about it on social media and nothing about the creative of the show. Um, but I loved it.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

It was really funny. I see us doing that inevitably for this podcast for our hoho. Oh, sure for sure. So if we every year during Christmas, we do a live Instagram show called Ho Homo, or as your mom likes to say, Ho ho ho. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And uh uh yeah, I see us. I feel like this year we should do it like a live taping.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

Yeah, the thinkers have really been asking for like a live experience, like a live podcasting experience. And so, like, thank you, thinkers, you've been so vocal, and we've heard you, we've heard your cry. Um, and we're gonna give you what you deserve as our audience. Yeah. That you've been seeing the messages, right? They started a um GoFundMe to get us to stop doing this, yeah. No, that's petition.com or something. Change.org. Change.org. Yeah, yeah. And they want to change us from not doing a live event to doing a live event. To doing a live event. And we will, honey, we'll do it. Trust us, we will. Okay. Um, anyways, had so much fun grief this week. What have you been thinking of?

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Wait, there was something, I don't know. Um, I did I did want to talk about the it's Stu's birthday, and I wanted to talk about uh he used to throw these incredible pride. Oh yeah, this is still a pride episode. Yeah, yeah. Um, but Stu, every Pride month for he lived really close to where the parade is was where I don't know where it is anymore, but I think it's probably the same place. Yeah. Um and he would have we uh we would invite anyone we've ever maybe thought about meeting to his apartment, and Donald and I would spend days decorating before. It was an event, it was a whole event, and we would get this was also pre-Amazon too, right? So we could like we had to like go to like like party city, like we had to go to like multiple brick and mortar stores to buy the uh decorations, yeah. And also we would print things out, yeah, and like cut them out and put them on the walls, and like and then we'd have like little Easter eggs.

SPEAKER_04 15:34

We really put thought into the design. My dad still has I when I went there this week, he he'd they still have hanging up in the apartment one that said, but first, mimosa's which is perfect, yeah. But yeah, it was um we would cram every person we knew, gay, ally, um, anything in between into this apartment.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Gay, ally, anything in between would be um uh someone who hates the gays. There we go.

SPEAKER_04 15:58

We they were invited. Yeah, yeah. Um and my dad would get so much booze for this event, and he'd always do a big speech before we left. He would do a speech, he would let us have fun, go crazy, um, and then he'd send us off and he would line up and give each person a shot on the way out and let us go on our merry way. It was so we did get sh shut down by the cops once. Yeah. So what? So what? Yeah. My dad's like, oh, you're gonna shut down Pride? Okay, okay, I understand.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

My favorite decorations we did was we thought it would be really fun to buy a bunch of table, like plastic tablecloths from Party City and tape them to the wall in rainbow. And so we covered every wall in that. It was beautiful. Printed out like queer people in media and like cut them out. Well, I cut them out.

SPEAKER_04 16:50

Yeah, yeah. I won't be doing that. Yeah, unfortunately, we did have like a whole homage wall to Caitlyn Jenner when she came out. Oh no, no, no, she came out when we were in college. Yeah, but it was like her new photos, and it was like, yeah, it has like trans icon, and then that's okay. We that we didn't know that she was like, what is that noise?

SPEAKER_01 17:10

It's my shoes squeaking. I thought that my tooth made like some kind of weird squeaking noise. Sounds weak the first time you did that. No, it's just my squeaky shoes, just because I'm an athlete. It sounds like when your alarm is like running out of batteries. Oh your fire alarm.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

Yeah. I hate it. I hate that sound. Once I had a boss who I was the executive assistant of who was um a monster human, and she had an alarm that was making that noise, but it was so high up because she had extremely high ceilings that I had to get her a hotel for the night because she couldn't deal with that squeaky noise. And she couldn't ask someone to get on a laptop. We couldn't figure it out. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

I feel like when you like own a building, usually well, I guess it depends on the building. There was no doorman, right?

SPEAKER_04 17:58

No, no, it was like a co-op situation. Yeah, right. It's so freaking poor. Um, so yeah, so much fun stuff coming up, so much good memories, so many vibes. Um, but moving on from my beautiful father, what are you thinking about? I was still thinking about your father. That was mine.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Keep thinking. That was mine. Hello. I have it, I have other stuff I could share as well. No, yeah, I think it's important to know. And I have something that's like perfect for your mom being an R. So I just did a show called Folsom, spelled F-U-L-L-S-O-M-E, like fulsome. If you don't know about fulsome, do you know what fulsom is, Mama Lisa? No, fulsom is a kind of queer gay um SM sex party parade, like people who are into kink celebration that started in Folsom, California, right outside of San Francisco, or maybe even in uh honey, I don't know. Who knows? I like to say that I like know a lot about queer history, but then when I when I get to the details, when I get on this microphone, sometimes it gets a little fuzzy. But it started like that. They've now brought it to different places. They have Folsom East in New York City, which is this weekend, and I always celebrate my nephew's birthday on that. He's turning five.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

Um, so also ironically, that um is on the one block away from where where my dad lived. Um, there would always be like a lot of gay folks running around in SM gear, and my dad was just like, oh, it's fulsom today. Yeah. Um very supportive. It's like, don't take cabs downtown.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

There's yeah, it's fulsome, yeah. Uh and so yeah, so I was asked to do a show at Common Everybody, uh, specifically doing my time of Finland recreation look. And so it's like, what's a show that would kind of make sense for me to wear that? So did a show called Folsom. It happened, it was really fun.

SPEAKER_04 19:51

Yeah, I had the best time. It was so fun, it felt different from some of your other shows. The vibes were immaculate, I would say.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

I would say it was just like a like we made a little community there. Yeah, we really did this that day. And uh the best part, which is why I'm so excited your mom is sitting here, is because we did something called a prettiest penis competition. I'm looking at her in the eyes right now. And so there were 12 competitors and anonymous competitors, and they went in and took a picture with we made these beautiful frames. Your husband, our friend Kevin, and I, and you watched, and we made these beautiful frames, and everyone put their penis in the frame, and then the photographer took a Polaroid, rude Polaroids took a Polaroid, and then we put them on the wall, and everyone got to vote, and there was a tie, a three-way tie. I mean, the drama.

SPEAKER_04 20:41

Only the gays can deliver this much drama.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

I want to say that there were all different kinds of penises on that wall, and like like all penises were welcome, and we saw every single kind of penis.

SPEAKER_04 20:53

And that's beautiful. Yeah, but what were the ones that received the most votes? Like, what were those looking like?

SPEAKER_01 20:58

It's interesting because I don't necessarily because I I mean I looked at them and then I was obviously the tie-breaking vote. So weird. Uh, but I wouldn't have necessarily even put all three of those in the top three. There were other ones I would have put in the top three. Interesting. But I yeah, but I was the tie-breaking vote. So I chose the one. It was that worked at the venue. Oh, it was amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:21

How were you moved to decide on that one?

SPEAKER_01 21:24

As you spill your entire I'm just spilling some wine on my leg, but make it fashion. I it was pretty easy. I kind of used my eyes and I'm really grateful for my eyesight. What was it about it that really struck you? So it's the prettiest penis competition, right? So it's not about big, it's not about girth length, it's about everything and just like the gorgeousness of it.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

And I'm so happy my mom's here for this episode.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Uh what is pretty? What is pretty? I to you to me, I it's it's a je ne sais quoi. Like goes, there's no words that can describe it, right? I don't what is a pretty opinion? Beauty is how would you say or maybe we should bring your mom in? I would say beauty.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

Beauty's in the eye of the beholder. And I was the beholder in that case. And you were holding their fate in your hands.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Yeah. Well, I didn't touch anything. Yeah. But in my eyes. Yeah, yeah. Because I was looking at the pictures. Yeah, and the and the it was the door person who won a hundred bucks. Wow. And yeah, and we're coming back August 6th, the first Thursday of August. So if if this sounds like it isolating your fancy, come through. And then we there was drag performances as well.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

Yeah, I would say what I loved was being in this environment with my friend Jess, who is a mother of two children and has not been out in a long time. And this is kind of like her mom's night out. Um, and so I was with her, and this was um an escape.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

I mean, yeah, yeah. I would say it was an escape. It was funny to catch up with her while I was fully dressed in a like I was wearing gray makeup.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

And when the back of your neck and the insides of your ears are painted, you know that you're meaning business. You were to catch up with someone, not have to, but to have the joy of catching up with someone while while that was happening, where I had a fake like Muppet penis on. It was just a joy, just a joy. It literally was just a joy. Like it was it was an immense joy.

SPEAKER_04 23:20

My mom did respond to my messages like, what is in his pants?

SPEAKER_01 23:24

And it was a uh like kind of like a puppet penis. Yeah. Yeah. It's a a fabric penis with it's a kind of like a plushy toy or like a pillow kind of situation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

I I mean, as someone who recently met and saw Miss Piggy, like I know Muppets the nicest. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Um, but you didn't I hay out a bunch of people though. Yeah, yeah, you did. You really did. Um, well, I thought you did great. I thought you did fabulous. Thank you. I thought you did so fabulous. I had a good time. And I thought you made Pride Month really um special. Really prideful. Yeah. Really full. Yeah. Folsom. Folsom.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Yeah. Um, okay, what else are we thinking about? Um, I think I had oh, I just I mean, I what I actually watched the Knicks win.

SPEAKER_04 24:09

Okay, yeah. So this is right in between um You think and groupthink. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Uh I feel like I'll wait till groupthink.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

Yeah, you're gonna have to wait until groupthink because I was definitely giving like more groupthink.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Yeah, tell me one more thing you're thinking about.

SPEAKER_04 24:23

Actually, I had nothing else that I was thinking about, but I do want to hear about you know, during Pride Month, there's a lot of um making sure you look good, you feel good. And sometimes you're at the gym, you know? Um and I feel like you had a gym experience. Yeah, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Wow, you really are Jimmy Fallon over here. Um make it yeah. Uh Jimmy Fabian. We did a pre-interview for this. Yeah, we didn't know. Um, I so I was at the gym literally today. Yeah. You can imagine. Lifting things up, putting them down, lifting things up, putting them down, and I saw this really hot guy who was wearing a NYX jersey. You love that team. I love that team all of a sudden. And I'm also I'm not a bandwagon fan because I'm not a fan, I just love community and I love having a good time and I love joy. So it's fun to hate all of the joy. Yeah, no, I know. I was thinking about that. Um, anyway, there was this really hot guy wearing a Nyx jersey and his arms were out and he looked so good. And then I start seeing him work out, and he was just his form was horrible. He was not doing any rep to like a full completion. Yeah and he was pretty muscular and like well built. I'm like, imagine if he actually did a full rep of anything. Whoa. And I also was watching him do jump squats, like jump split squats, and he was doing it wrong. I'm like, you are probably in your like late 20s, early 30s right now, but give this like a few more years of this, and your body is not gonna appreciate the way that you're moving. And I don't I didn't say anything to him, of course. Right, of course. I uh it's like you know, when it's like he's a 10 butt, right? Like he's a 10, but his form in the gym was horrible. It's like kind of became like a four to me. Yikes, you know who is and he also had like a douchey face while doing it, like like thinking like I am everything, I own this fucking place. Like you're not everything. He looked like he looked like he really thought he was like doing a good job. And then I actually went downstairs to try to. I was doing, I'm working on my um handstands, my handstands, yes. And so there's a lot of things. Hey, congrats, that's awesome. Thank you so much. And I was trying to find a wall because I like to do it against the wall and then like you know, like not do it against the wall. Uh, but it was so crowded, it was hard to find a wall. I went downstairs. This guy was doing push-ups, and his form was also horrible. His and I'm like, your lower back is going to be in such pain because of this.

SPEAKER_04 26:38

Wait, so you're working on uh hand stance? Yeah. I'm working on an antigenocide.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Sad. Sad. That was a reference to our favorite SNL sketch ever, which is girl, you wish you didn't have a conversation without a party. It's starting Cecily Strong. Cecily. Cecily Strong. First if I said her name is Shemigadoon. I was gonna say Shamigadoon.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Um, but yeah, that's that's what she would say in this situation. Um, you know who has definitely been using the right form recently? Whose arms are looking a fire? Yes. He put out pictures today online via magazine.

SPEAKER_01 27:18

Your mom pointed to Peter.

SPEAKER_04 27:19

Oh no, not not anyone we know personally besides one conversation I had with him backstage at the Culture Wars. Oh, um Paul No. But he is so strong. Yeah, but he's been strong. He's been strong. Francois Arnold. Have you seen the pictures of him today? No, not at all. Oh, honey. Okay, everyone get out your phones. Okay, well, wait, I don't have my phone. Okay, well, I have mine. Everyone, type in F R. A Swah Arnod. And then you're gonna you're gonna want to go ahead and to the photos that he took with Le Office Holmes or whatever. Hold on, I just need to scroll to Whoa! Wow, yeah. So if you guys are looking at this right now.

SPEAKER_01 28:09

I also have to say it's clear that he is like flexing for the gods while pretending to pour a well, I mean, he is literally pouring water on plants, but I don't think he's doing it um for practical reasons in this situation. Right. You can tell he's like really flexing for the gods, which you should in a photo shoot. I mean, if I flex out, I it wouldn't look like that.

SPEAKER_04 28:28

Like that's so incredible, and his work is so incredible.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

Yeah, and been a fan of him since I saw him in Shits Creek. Yeah. Um isn't that special? Is he bi or gay IRI? He is bi. Wow, was he nominated for that award? He was nominated for best bisexual. Yeah, that's him. And he he lost Mama Lisa is like kind of so horny for him.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Um so he lost the the bisexual and media award or something, or he presented it. I forget what it was.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

No, he didn't present it. He didn't present it. Hannah Einbinder won. That was a really big award. Like a lot of people were not a lot of big names were nominated. Yeah, there's so many bycons. I saw a comment on one of the videos that you posted as Bravo, and someone was like, wait, why is a cartoon nominated for this award? I'm like, so it's not a real award ceremony.

SPEAKER_04 29:17

You see Lynn Manuel commented on one of our posts? No, yeah, what did he say? Um it was like the Rachel Zegler one, and it's like she's like an icon project. She was incredible.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Yeah, yeah, she is.

SPEAKER_04 29:27

Viral moment.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Do you know Rachel Zegler was kind of like discovered to and she played um, and I was gonna say Anita, she played the leader. A Vita! Maria in West Side Story. She was in Avita as well. Yeah, honey. But she I know that yes, but she her breakout role, her like first role was playing Maria in Steven Spielberg's West Side Story. Maria!

SPEAKER_03 29:54

How do you know that?

SPEAKER_01 29:57

How do you know that?

SPEAKER_03 29:58

Now I'm 21, I'm ready for a new year.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

That's Tommy. How do you know that?

SPEAKER_04 30:04

Um, but we did both of those plays at summer camp.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

You did Tommy in summer camp? Ever since I was young boy, I played the Cyberbar from Soho Dana Bread and myself. We did that in my freshman year of high school in my public school.

SPEAKER_04 30:19

Yeah, we gotta do that in an amazing Jewish summer camp, honey.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

That's really strange. You think? Yeah, okay. I think it's like what was I saying? I was in the middle of a thought. Oh, no, no, Rachel Zegler, she literally got her big break, but she was supposed to star as Fiona in Shrek the musical in her high school, and she was like, Can I still be in my high school musical? And they were like, Initially they were like, I don't think so. But they're like, Yeah, of course you can be in your high school musical. Is that amazing? That is incredible. Super talents like I actually like really still want to be in my high school musical, though. Because she's like, that's all her friends. The musical, the series? I don't think she was in that. I think that was Livia Rodrigo, which brings us into groupthink.

SPEAKER_04 31:01

Okay, so groupthink is when we go ahead and share what the class is thinking about. Um, we can start with Olivia Rodrigo and then we'll go into um The Knicks.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

The Knicks. So you're really concerned about something.

SPEAKER_04 31:14

Yeah, everyone, open up your phone really quick.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

This is a really um This is an interactive one. An interactive one. I don't know if we have to necessarily open our phones. No, I think you're gonna have to go and open up your phones. And I thought I think it was in the third episode when you told me that we shouldn't address the audience because it breaks the fourth wall and we're actually just in conversation.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

Okay, so then you're gonna go to post- Well, yeah, I mean you're gonna go and uh go as if you're posting anything on Instagram stories. Okay. Then you're gonna click the AA on the top right, and no, it's not Alcoholics Anonymous. This is generally just where you look for the fonts. Then you're gonna scroll all the way to the left thing called Olivia Rodrigo. And I'm sorry, this is the worst font I've ever seen. I know she's promoting her new album. But I'm sorry, Speed.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

She's skipping wingdings, but you can read it. That's not a font that anyone should be using. So what? It's really interesting because I think that Olivia Rodrigo broke out and obviously it's like acne. Um, obviously, her music is I'm like, it obviously it sounds like what paramour. Yeah, but I feel like she opened up like a thing in mainstream music currently today that's very popular and a sound that's very popular that a lot of people are copying. Yeah, like angst anger, yeah, angst anger, but still being girly girl. And she yeah, like the whole marketing of her is fresh and new and interesting. Because Paramour was like grunge, like they were grunge, yeah, they were grunge in their music. Right. She's grungy in her music, but girly and her vibes. But like girly pop vibes. Yeah. So I think that's an a new take. And a lot of people have copied what she does. And I even think like I love Renee Rapp so much, she's one of my favorite artists, actually. Randomly, um, I do think that's kind of random. She's she's popular, but she's more indie. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think her second album, like her first album, Addicted, she was in my one of my like Spotify top stream. But I do think her most recent album, I felt like she lost a bit of her the uniqueness of her sound. Yeah. Because I think her team was trying to push her more with like the Olivia Rodrigo sound. And it's interesting because I think a lot of other artists are trying to do that and like copy that. And I think in this case, Olivia Rodrigo's team is copying the aesthetic of Bratt. And they're like, okay, what like early 2000s internet culture can we get behind with the font? And so that that font can be so recognizable what we do. And I don't think she came up with that font, but I think that some marketing person did, and they tested it on people, and they think that that font is slay, but that font is ugly. You know what that kind of reminds me of? It's ugly not camp, it's ugly not kids, it's just ugly ugly. It's just ugly. Like I'm sorry, yeah, and that's not it's trying to be like MySpace, but it's not achieving it.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

It's not achieving it. You know what that reminds me of? What? Um, this incredible creator, um, Patty Pop Culture, who was on the carpet for the culture wars. They asked each person on the carpet, would you rather be remembered forever or remembered correctly?

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Whoa. Yeah, what do you think? What do you think? I think remembered well, what is correct? But remembered how you would want to be remembered. Correct. I think I would rather be remembered how I want to be remembered. And I think forever. I know, yeah. Forever's a long time. Yeah. I mean Heartstopper Forever just got a new trailer coming out. Oh, beautiful. It looks really good. Really excited to see that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

Um, so, anyways, Olivia Rodrigo, um, I'm I support women, just to be extremely clear, um, but I don't support women's fonts.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

You support fonts, but you don't support this font.

SPEAKER_04 34:58

That's what I missed.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

Yeah, we can take the women out because I think you just don't like this font.

SPEAKER_04 35:02

Yeah, no. I I support so many fonts made by women, um, championed by women, just not this specific one.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Right. Yeah, and I agree. I don't like this font.

SPEAKER_04 35:11

And it's pride, so especially if there are any lesbians who've made fonts recently. Like, just know I'm totally welcome to embracing them. Uh, but it's a font-by-font basis. Yeah, it's a font-by-font basis, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, okay, so now that we've gone, we'd addressed the elephant in the room of Olivia Rodrigo's font. Should we get into the Knicks?

SPEAKER_01 35:30

Let's get into the Knicks.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

Did were you a part of the journey at all? Boom, boom, boom. Touchdown sport time, USA. Welcome to the sports segment of You Think, where all we do is think about sports. We are dribbling.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

We also last week or the week before, whatever, we were talking about the Knicks, and I was like, I don't care at all. Like literally at all. Yeah. Honey, a week went by and I live.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

I live. You know, I never did uh care, but I still to this moment don't. Um, but we did say in the last podcast, like, by the time we get here next week, the Knicks might have won, but we actually don't really know what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 36:06

And they won, and it was the best time ever. So I watched in the Upper East Side, and we uh when they won, you could hear the roar of the city. Wait, sorry, going back, you like made a plan. Like, I need to watch the game. My one of my dearest friends that also went to Mulenburg got engaged, so we knew that was happening. One of the like fake plans was like, We're all gonna watch the Knicks together. Oh, that's smart. Uh, and then that actually did kind of happen. And we were trying to like kind of go to bars, but obviously they were all crowded. We did at one point we're standing outside of a bar watching, which was really fun. I said, I just want to be there for like one cheer. Yeah, and we were, and uh randomly, like a lot of LGBTs were like outside this bar as well. Oh, the queer community really showed up. Yeah, and there was one guy that was like flirting with me so hard in this outside area, but in like a way where I was like, it was not welcomed, and he wouldn't stop. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 37:00

But you should tell him about Folsom for next for the first time.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Yeah, I should, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh I wonder how many people that uh messaged me on because I put it in my grinder bio fulsom that actually came. I would meant to ask it on the mic, but uh it wasn't like super crowded. So uh, but it was a beautiful community that was born there. Okay, um, anyway, so we did so first we were watching outside, it was really rowdy, really fun. Felt bad for the bartenders, and like one of the bartenders had to basically be a bouncer, like counting people like they were constantly at capacity. Uh, then we went to my friend's house and she has a baby who is asleep, so we couldn't cheer. And it was so funny to watch. It was like a huge group of people because we had all just celebrated this engagement and they like couldn't cheer. But she has a balcony, so once they won, we all went to the balcony and like screamed our heads off, and we you could hear the roar of the city. It was amazing. Wow. And then one of my friends said, I really want to just feel New York right now. So we went downstairs and we walked through all of the, I was gonna call it a parade, but I kept calling it a straight pride parade. But it was just people celebrating, it was just people celebrating the victory. And it's the straight pride parade. Yeah, and and it also was the gay pride parade, too. True. Um, but people were climbing on poles, fireworks were going off in the street, it didn't seem safe. The uh fire department, they put Knicks flags on their machines. What are they called? Oh, fun. Ambulance, not ambulance, like fire truck, fire truck, and they were kind of going around wheel wheel, and everyone was woo! People are high five and people were like out of taxis, like in the sunroofs of cars. It was unlike anything else.

SPEAKER_04 38:32

That I've I mean I saw it from the comfort of my air-conditioned bed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Um because I was like, Yeah, what was Hell's Kitchen like?

SPEAKER_04 38:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

I was in bed. Okay. Oh, that's that's a damn name. No, I didn't care. I know, but I just I'm like, because I was thinking, like, I wonder if anyone is outside in Hell's Kitchen right now because it's just not like the vibe of that area. Right. But being in the Upper East Side, a very straight area, people were really excited, and it was a beautiful community. Uh, people were cheering, they they were saying, Let's go, Nyx, and I was thinking, like, well, Nick's already goed. They already went. Like, so I was trying to pick up a new one. Like, Nyx will already go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did that queen. Yeah, something like that. But yeah, nothing really stuck with that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:13

Um, wait, speaking of there, there was like a parade yesterday. Um Wait, I'm not ready for that. I'm not ready for that. I have two more things I want to share.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

And I'm not ready for that. One thing is people were walking around the streets of New York in the April side with drinks in their hand, like open drinks, and my Oh, I should have gone. I love friends in um fiance, different friend, not the one that just got engaged, bought a bunch of beers and he gave me one and I drank it. Oh, and it was called. Yeah, it was called like it was like a beer adjacent. Right. Because he got it for his girlfriend. He got like a bunch, and I he was like, Do you want an IPA? I was like, ew, no. And anyway, um, he's like, Here, try this. And I loved it. And so, yeah, I was straight Do you know what it was? Was it a cider? It wasn't a cider. What's a cider with you? Uh so yeah, so I was straight culture, and then you really leaned into straight. Yeah, I really leaned in.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

You went to a straight engagement, then watched the game, then went to a straight pride parade.

SPEAKER_01 40:06

But I did have a drag, a gay drag brunch that morning. Good. So I kind of like it was a really beautiful balanced day. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. A balanced breakfast, if you will. Yeah. Which used to be my show at the duplex every Tuesday before I got cancelled. Oh, well, I kind of quit, but it was complicated. Uh so I was gonna say one more thing, and it's the Before the Parade. Before the parade passes by, love sports now.

SPEAKER_04 40:31

Well, what I will say is I love camaraderie. You love camaraderie, and I love to see people happy. Um, and so I was so happy for them, but I didn't care. And then there was a parade um to celebrate their victory. Now, my favorite part of that all was did you see this brawl that happened when this woman was twerking?

SPEAKER_01 40:49

I added that to our shared document. I didn't know if that's what you were referring to.

SPEAKER_04 40:54

I don't know how what the brawl initially.

SPEAKER_01 40:56

I have seen it in so many angles at this point. I do feel like I How can you describe it? I would love to describe it. So I want to say the first time I saw it, there was one woman sitting on you know how like there are like the long poles in New York that have the traffic lights on them, and they have like usually they have like a little yellow box, and then they have like a bunch of other things. There was one woman sitting on like the the lowest level box, and there was another woman sitting or standing on top of the like cross person stop sign situation. So you're gonna want to get out your phones. Um, and then the woman above wants to get down, and the woman below is like, no way, I own this pole, you're not getting down. And then the woman above is like, Well, no, I am getting down. So she starts to come down, and the woman below, who is now like the kind of czar of the pole, is literally pushing her feet away and like kicking her feet off. And so then the woman above somehow her shoe comes off, and then she sits down next to this woman, grabs her, and chucks her off the pole and throws her to the ground. She does yanked her. She tanked her in such a like she was throwing like a piece of paper.

SPEAKER_04 42:09

It was so beautiful to watch.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

It was beautiful to watch. And then the the woman who got yanked, she comes back up and she grabs this woman's pants and starts pulling them down and grabs the woman's thong, which she was wearing all orange and well, yeah, she was wearing all blue and orange for the next. Even her thong was orange, okay? So it's like even when we get down to it, she was Nick's through and through. And so she starts pulling her thong off of her, and this woman starts twerking in the middle, just holding herself up by her arms, twerking, and I guess she anyway, she was twerking and she was twerking. This woman keeps trying to hit her and pull her pants, and she just twerking and telling her. She's twerking, twerking, twerking, unbothered. And then she comes down and she starts, unfortunately, beating the shit out of this woman, and she deserved it, Mama Lisa. She deserved it. She deserved it. She really deserved it. She's beating her up, and then she goes into uh honey, she is giving shows, she starts dancing, she's doing the splits, she goes into a tripod handstand. Oh, I missed that. And yeah, see, I've seen so many angles of this. And the first time I saw it, I just saw the woman come down, chuck the one the other woman to the ground, and I was like, I don't know whose side I'm on here. But then when you see the full journey, you really know that the twerking woman was the woman who was in the right.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

And here you think like we would never condone violence, except if it's iconic, yeah. Yeah, like I'm sorry, and no one like really got hurt her. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, so I just wanted to be clear about that.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

And I want to know, like, why did that woman feel like she couldn't move to let the woman above get down? Right. And like, why was she the czara of the pole?

SPEAKER_04 43:50

I also went to dinner last night with um Peter's aunt and uncle who came from upstate New York to be at this uh parade. Whoa, and um they said. Would not recommend and they truly could not move for a single second, and that like uh it was extremely claustrophobic and anxiety producing.

SPEAKER_01 44:10

I also saw a video of a bunch of people that were trying to get past the barricade, and there were like four cops, it was bumper to bumper people. Yeah, and it looked like the beginning of like a horrific big uh Black Friday event where people are gonna get trampled and not make it through.

SPEAKER_04 44:27

But they're gonna get a flat screen TV.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

Right, but in this case, all that they're getting is some woo-woo. Right. So, and maybe an amazing speech from Mam Donny. Right. There was an amazing speech from Mum Donnie. I watched it. Oh, I actually didn't even see that on TikTok. It's funny, he like really cares about it. It's it's interesting. Yeah. One of the reasons why I went to our college Muhlenberg College is because I was so sick of people getting up on podiums and talking about sports and how proud they were of the sports teams in the schools. Right. And yada yada yada. Right. And at our college for Accepted Students Day, the first thing they talked about was the shows that they did this past year. And and then like the last thing they talked about was sports. And I said, honey, sign me up for this.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

But now you've done a 360 and you are obsessed with that. Yeah, now I hate theater sports. It's a 180. 360 be back to where you started. That's where you started. Yeah. And that's on geometry. Queen. Um I don't think that's geometry. Geography. No, it is geometry.

SPEAKER_01 45:23

G I'm a tree.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

I just like different like directions and shapes.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

So in second grade, my teacher, Mrs. Carlson, she sat us down and she told us a story about there's a mom a tree and a baby tree. And the baby tree. Heteronormative. Why is that heteronormative? It's about to be. Keep going. Um, it was like, well, the it like it started off as like a seed and then it fell, and then the baby seed started to grow up, and it got bigger and bigger, and then one day it turned to the mom and said, gee, I'm a tree. And then she like moved, she had like drawn things on like a big pad of paper, and she like lifted it up and it said geometry. And she's like, next week we're gonna start learning about geometry.

SPEAKER_04 46:05

Oh, I see what you're gonna do. That's really cute. I'll never forget it. That's really cute. And I was like, huh?

SPEAKER_01 46:12

There's something told this whole story about this tree for just for the pun of it all.

SPEAKER_04 46:17

There's like certain things like that that really stick with you in education, such as um, I grew up in Natick slash Boston, Massachusetts. Um, and to teach how to spell Massachusetts, did you have a little S S I S S I P I.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Wait, that's Mississippi.

SPEAKER_04 46:33

Yeah, so um that's not Massachusetts. They would say, um, but yeah, you were like, I got this. Yeah, yeah. Um, no, they would say everyone, get on the train. Choo choo capital.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Whoa, and that's in stop that train.

SPEAKER_04 47:00

So when I yeah, that's in stop that train. And when I um whenever I have to spell Massachusetts, I do have to do that little jingle. I feel like I have to do that with because when the sunshine, we shine together.

SPEAKER_01 47:15

Wait, what's because it's like a beautiful. Oh, wait, maybe that's for beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

You're really getting your little uh your little hints and tricks. My mnemonics wrong.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

But I feel like it also works for because B-E-C-A-U. Is he? Right. But or it could be beautiful or because anyway, I don't know. Whatever works for you, works for me. Okay, and once again, if you go back, or if you didn't listen or if you've listened, you know the lore that I was first out in my fourth grade spelling be for spelling the word couch. I think our thinkers know that. Yeah, that they they know.

SPEAKER_04 47:54

This is episode 10, which first of all, welcome to double digital. Oh my god, it's a decade. It's been a decade of you thinking. It's been a decade of you things, and you thinkers have all been there for us for a full decade now. We have to thank you because we built a career on this. Yeah, like we built a whole brand, our lives have changed in ways we never thought could be possible.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Yeah. Uh, do we have any other group things or kind of we actually do?

SPEAKER_04 48:17

Oh, we do um our final um group thing that I need to talk about with the community at large is basically that. Oh, I could go two ways with this. Um, yes, this is important. I think I'm gonna actually go a different way, which is Tyra Banks pursuing Netflix. Did you see the documentary? Yeah, we watched it as a big thing. Yeah, well, what I'm trying to say is she yeah. If and if you haven't watched the documentary, get out your phone. Um, so the documentary that America's acting model won, and it basically was like a takedown of Tyra Banks in many ways. Um, so she's saying, like, for so many reasons she's doing them. First of all, I guess the other Jays, Miss J and Mr. J were like paid consultants in some way on the project, and she didn't know that. So she was like, they're they have like narrative um implications, like they have narrative control, and I didn't have that, and I wouldn't have said yes to it. Um, it was also supposed to be like a more positive thing generally, and she was like bamboozled. So she's suing for defamation.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

Do you think she has um a claim there? I don't think she has a claim. I also think that she didn't take any responsibility for her actions in the video, and that's why she got a bad take. Of course, we don't know what they included versus what they didn't, but that is I mean, if you want to be able to be the last person to say, like, yes, this can be made, then that can be in your contract. But obviously, they wouldn't want to talk to her if that were the case. Two other things she's doing for specifically. I imagine in her contract, yeah. Like I imagine her contract is tight enough that this is stupid. Right. She's um This is making her look worse. I know. If she's caring about her public opinion, just say I'm I like I'm wow. Like after that process of reflecting and seeing how you reflected on my reflections, right? I've now taken even deeper reflections. Right. And I want to say, I am sorry.

SPEAKER_04 50:18

Yeah, that could have been an approach of being like, okay, I I hear you and I receive this feedback. Instead, she's like, I'm gonna sue, which doesn't seem like she's taking accountability.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

I will say she was, I I don't know exactly, I think she was promoting her hot ice cream, which isn't that just hot chocolate. Yeah, it is. Okay. Um, so she was promoting her hot ice cream, and she somehow was like a special guest at Hanukkah Lewinsky and Reese Havoc's show at Verse. And she seemed clinically unhinged.

SPEAKER_04 50:48

Yeah, she does appear to be that way. Um, she's also specifically she's doing like for they have to point out things that were defamatory, and so like there's a moment where she's talking about like an unfortunate, horrible situation that happened on the show, and she was like, listen, I I don't control everything that goes on in the show, and then they put a lower third that says Tyre Bakes executive producer, America's IT model, right, to imply that she did have control of situations. Um, and so she's unhappy about that, uh, among other things. So, like the lawsuit points to all these different things, but I don't think it's my advice would have been this two shall pass, and maybe just don't.

SPEAKER_01 51:25

I think what's gonna happen is the defense was wrong.

SPEAKER_04 51:28

Honey, the defense was wrong. Um, but Tyra, if you're watching this, like from two gay guys who've really been through a media storm, um just because like all the feedback I have been through it. Yeah, you've been through it before. I just feel like my advice would be this two shall pass. Like, maybe don't start that lawsuit and maybe just um prove that you are more than what people think.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

And as someone who's reading Lena Dunham's book right now and is halfway through it, or maybe even further than half at this point, um, sometimes you just gotta breathe through it, take some rest. Right.

SPEAKER_04 52:03

And uh Especially if you're in chronic pain.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Especially if you're in chronic pain. Yeah. I read that book. You listened to it. I read that book. Okay, we we can't talk about that anymore. Uh the last thing that I want to say before we bring in our final segment is something that is crazy, is that one of the divas from the Ellen show, what's her name? Sophia Grace.

SPEAKER_03 52:25

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

Who she was like a little child in a tutu, then she became like a rapstress at one point.

SPEAKER_04 52:30

Well, you would know her from she sang super bass uh to Nicki Minaj. She was an adorable little British.

SPEAKER_01 52:36

Before the whole like, you know, situation happened.

SPEAKER_04 52:39

Yeah, before Nikki was MAGA, um, which we're obsessed with. Um so she sang super bass to her, and it was so cute and so iconic. And then the Ellen chair kept bringing her back.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

They were just with her cousin, who did uh who just like her hype girl, Rosie, Rosie, she did absolutely nothing, and she wasn't even really hyping her up, she was just shy, but it was an amazing duo. Yeah, it really worked. It really did. I loved how like they're like, no, if my daughter is getting media attention like this, then her cousin also has to get the same attention whether she's giving zero or a hundred, like, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:15

And so ultimately she announced her third child this week. She's pregnant with her third child, and that really freaked me out. How old is she? I don't know, but the fact that she has one child. Well, it's like we knew her as child, and now she has three childs. She has three. Yeah. No offense, the circle of life. The circle of life. And do you think of the circle of life as a 360 circle or is it more of a 180 circle? I think of it as a 360 one. And I'm gonna keep saying that because that's what? Geometry.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

And what do you think the circumference of the circle of life is? 360 degrees. Okay, so I think it's time we move to our last segment. Which is called What do you even think? This is a segment where we both present uh so Donald is an expert in pop culture, bravo, things like that. Um reality television. Right. I'm a uh an expert in uh the the stage and the screen honey, drag, uh stuff like that. And so we we're both gonna present something within our expertise or around our expertise, or something maybe we even love, and the other person is going to share exactly what that they're gonna pretend like they're the expert of it, and we're gonna give them one minute. I'm gonna let you go first. That's so awesome. I need to get my phone.

SPEAKER_04 54:41

Um, well, I could time it, but are you still looking up who to do?

SPEAKER_01 54:45

No, I know who to do. It's just on my phone.

SPEAKER_04 54:49

You don't have anyone to do yet. Yes, I do. Come prepared to class. Like, I do like that. I do all my reading before class. And I'm a pleasure to have in class. Ask my mom in the PTA meetings or whatever, parent-teacher conferences, they would say I'm a pleasure to have in class. Okay. Okay. I have mine. All right, you want to go first to second?

SPEAKER_01 55:12

Please tell me who do you even think is Professor Coldhart.

SPEAKER_04 55:22

Professor Cold Heart is one of the non-frequently discussed people in the wizarding worlds of Harry Potter. Okay. He taught magicry, and magicry is half wizardry, half magic, which is two different things. Okay. And Professor, what's his name again?

SPEAKER_01 55:40

Um, and I know it. I would say Cold Heart.

SPEAKER_04 55:43

Cold Heart, Cold Heart. Yeah, yeah. So he would teach you how to turn um your heart from hot to cold, which is really insensitive for you to bring up right when my dad had a heart attack anniversary. But listen, Professor Cold Heart, he could have saved my father.

SPEAKER_00 55:58

And and I just wish he had been there during those times in the wizarding world of Harry Potter.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

And that was one minute. Okay, you were right about it being a fictional character, of course. Yeah. This was one of the evil villains from The Care Bears. Ah, that was so close. He was an ice-themed mad scientist who invents unfeeling rays and feels and feeling stealing machines. So he makes people stop stealing or stop sealing, stop feeling. So he takes everyone's happiness and emotions away. Oh my god. And turns their hearts ice cold, but more in like a metaphorical way and then a like a literal way. He sounds like Donald J. Trump, honey. Yeah, honestly, yes. Um, I mean, villains have to come from somewhere, right? Yeah. And I loved the Caribbean's as a little kid, and that's why I wanted to bring it into this uh podcast.

SPEAKER_04 56:51

Okay, well, are you ready to do some thinking?

SPEAKER_01 56:53

Of course. And also I want to say that if you told me any of the villains and the carabers, I would not have known them. But I did love them at the time. I would love to think.

SPEAKER_04 57:01

Yeah, okay. Um I would like for you to think about Mia Calabrese.

SPEAKER_01 57:07

Mia Calabrese. She was the woman who invented the calabresse pasta. And she uh she was, you know, one of the original settlers of Italy in the Calabrese family. And she kind of was uh there were so many different people that were making different kinds of pastas, of course, the time. And she was she as a woman in the ancient century of Rome, she didn't have the same kind of you know power that other chefs had. But she did Tickle Tickle, she did invent the Mia Calabrese pasta, which is kind of a take on um, it has some calamari in it. It's a white sauce and it's really tasty. And why do you think I chose her? Um, because you love to eat food, and of course, this is Stu's birthday, and Stu loves to eat food. Oh, there we go, there we go. So that is why you decided to bring up Mia Calabrese.

SPEAKER_04 58:05

Wow, and that was one minute, and you did so well. Who the hell is that? Okay, well, you have seen her on a TV program yesterday. Mia Calabrese. She was on the Las Cultrices Culture Awards. As herself. As a winner of an award.

SPEAKER_01 58:23

What did she win? Try and guess. Was she the one in Summer House who won like the Chillest Vibes Award? Oh really? She's awesome. I watched because I watched the first two episodes of the reunion with you. I wanna watch the third. Yes, and she did really have amazing vibes. So seeing her win the like amazing vibes award for the biggest. Best vibes hands down, best vibes hands down award for the best vibes hands down. She uh does seem like she has awesome vibes.

SPEAKER_04 58:49

She has incredible vibes, I can confirm. Um, but I now I need to know her take on different pastas and if she's gotten that before. Because I'm sure people come up to her all the time and ask about that. Yeah, yeah. Uh, yeah. Well, I I'm brain dead. What about you? Oh my gosh, my brain hurts from thinking this much.

SPEAKER_01 59:07

Wait, Lisa, will you like help us say goodbye? No, you can't even tell you.

SPEAKER_04 59:11

You can hear her from across the room. My my mom is saying goodbye and farewell. A vita say good night.

SPEAKER_01 59:20

And with that, it's time to stop thinking. Uh but keep thinking and keep thinking how time.

unknown 59:29

Woo!

SPEAKER_04 59:34

You think is produced and edited by Straight Luke, aka Luke Martin, and kind of sort of by Peter Shum. Art by Curtis Brown and music by Jack Rayner.