Nunn Better Podcast EP.7- Johnny & Anonymous Prime, The Anonymous Prime Comeback

They were a 90’s Florida surf-punk band… then they disappeared for decades — and now Anonymous Prime is back.

In Episode 7 of The Nunn Better Podcast, Johnny Nunn sits down with Gabe + Jason from Anonymous Prime to talk surf culture, punk rock, skate life, the band’s origin story, and the real reason the comeback finally happened.

Anonymous Prime’s music ended up in surf videos and the scene grew bigger than they ever expected — and now they’ve re-released their classic record as “Quest for the Never-Ending Ride, Redux Maximus” (aka the ultimate comeback).

What you’ll hear in this episode

• How Anonymous Prime started (and the real meaning behind the name)
• Surfing + skateboarding culture and how it shaped their sound
• Playing bigger venues and surf expo parties
• How their songs landed in surf videos (and why that mattered)
• The comeback story: new recordings, new energy, and what’s next
• Faith, purpose, and life after the “dark years” (real talk)

Chapters (34:24)

0:00 Intro + meeting Gabe & Jason

2:05 How Anonymous Prime started (early 90s)

5:10 The band name origin story

9:05 Surfing, skating, BMX + what shaped the songs

13:10 When it felt “real” (bigger shows, surf expo, magazines)

17:30 Songs landing in surf videos + unexpected reach

22:05 The comeback: why they stopped + why they returned

27:10 Recording new music + working together again

30:40 Where to find the music + what’s next

33:30 Wrap-up

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Transcript

0:00

Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the None Better Podcast. And today we have Anonymous Prime in the house with Gabe Graham and Jason Hatch. We're talking some music in Anonymous Prime. So tune in right after these messages. Good. How you guys been doing since you got back from this show? You've been busy traveling around and Yeah, uh working on a house, real estate stuff. He bought his first home. Yeah, congrats. On your home there, you got a condo, right? Yep. Nice. Well, how are you liking it? Getting all moved in? Yeah, getting finally settled now and just kind of working out the kinks of the home ownership. Yeah, oh yeah. Fixing toilets and upgrading some things. Yeah, I remember buying that first home. It was uh it wasn't a fun experience, to be honest with you. But uh hey, kudos to you. But it's also good when you get in there, set it in. Yeah, it's all good, man. So, Gabe and Jason, you guys uh started a band called Anonymous Prime. What year did you guys start that? Golly. Somewhere in the 90s. Early 90s. Early 90s, I would say. Early 90s. Okay. And our first show was at Largo High School Talent Show. We played the only song we could play at that time was Bad Religion, Sanity. That's all of it. Yeah, yeah. He played guitar. I sang. I think Jeremy Grimes played drums. I think he might have played drums. Yeah. And this kid, Che Balducci, um played bass, yeah. You guys were in high school when this was going on, basically. You guys in high school. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, so your high school band kind of getting your feet wet with uh music, and uh I guess punk rock was your self-rock, kind of was your genre, wherever you guys fit in. Yeah. I mean I kind of grew up listening to a lot of death metal, like like gore guts and snow character, and you know, and got more into the punk rock music as I evolved into my youthful years. But so where did the name anonymous prompt from? First of all, what does it mean and where did it come from? Okay, here's how I remember it. Those years are very hazy, but here's here's what I remember. I remember a smoke-filled bedroom. Oh, well, there's your first clue. And I remember uh Jason said, we're trying to decide on a band name, and I remember Jason said, We should call it Optimus Prime, because you know, we grew up watching Transformers. Well, I wondered if it's if it's Transformers. Yeah, there'd definitely be trademark issues there, but then I said, How about Anonymous Prime? And basically it meant anything good. Anything good. Yeah. Yeah, I think if I remember Pete Salerna, the drummer, you said, let's call it Optimus Prime. He said, let's call it anonymous. Like we're not we're not anybody. Well at one point he said at one point him and Corey were coming up with the name phlegm. At one point. Yeah, it's like nah. We weren't going with phlegm. Ladies and gentlemen, here comes phlegm. You can really hear it coming. You can have extra phone in the back end of your so I remember after Pete said anonymous, then I remember Hatch saying anonymous prime and everybody going, whoa, that's it. And that was it. Anonymous Prime was born. So how did you two meet? Um, we were talking about that on the way here. We've known each other since kindergarten. Yeah, pretty much since kindergarten. We went to elementary school together, and I can remember playing with Gabe, like our parents knew each other, and we had a swing set that we got when I was probably like four or five, and Gabe and Margo were there playing with us, and then Harry and Marge would come and pick the kids up. But never really knew like what was happening. We were so young, you know, we would just hang out, you'd have some friends there, and then they would leave. And but just as the years went on, we grew up on the beach skateboarding and surfing, skimboarding together. You both are I know you're surf, you're a surfer too, right? You both were surfers. You you skateboarded too, didn't you? I started skateboarding and I was like, surfing sucks. And he started surfing. He's like, surfing's way better than skateboarding. Okay, yeah, right, you know, and then he got me to try it. I think I borrowed our older friend Andrew Guterres's surfboard one day at Indian Rocks Beach, and then I was hooked, and that began a lifelong love of surfing since I was like 12, I think. Something like that. So surfing, skating, any other extreme I don't, I guess those are not really extreme sports, but they are to me because I can't do any of it. So we were I was doing a lot of BMX biking back in those days. Seems like all that kind of stuff went together. I got into BMX when I was a kid, obviously, got into that sort of thing. In the 80s, you couldn't have to like freestyle biking, freestyling too. Yeah, freestyle stuff, yeah. Yeah, I did a lot of that growing up, had my harrow. Surfing, skating. So your s all of your songs, y'all were there uh was this stuff really about surfing and skating, or was it what was kind of more of your topics of y'all's music? A lot of that was definitely underlying in a lot of the old songs. You know, surfing and skateboarding were really important to us. Um that's what we grew up doing. I remember the songs were called surfing. One of the songs is called surfing. Yeah, one of them was called Charge It, you know. Charge it, yeah. You always gotta give it your go, you know, gotta give it a good go. Um, yeah. Not hold back. So, what point, and y'all's you guys obviously known since you're if you were kindergarten, at what point did y'all say, This is a real band? We've made it. We're like, we're in a band, we're doing this. Um, well, gosh, leading up to that, I remember I'd go over his house and he'd be playing guitar for hours, you know, just playing guitar, and it would be like he's looking through me. I'm like, Jason, Jason, and he'd just like this, you know. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, Jason, I'm gonna leave if you don't talk to me, you know? And uh that's kind of how he was really into music. He got me into a lot of different music. Um we weren't just into punk rock, we were into Jimi Hendrix stuff, we were into like the fish and like Grateful Dead, like psychedelic stuff, and then we were really into punk rock. My first uh band I got into was Minor Threat back then. That really influenced me a lot on a cassette tape. Remember those? Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Even before that, we were kind of handpicked from the uh country day Montessori by the music teacher to be put into the Florida Blake wire, and that's kind of where we got our musical singing training and how to harmonize and do all that. And we did that for a little bit, and it definitely was interesting, but uh you guys made it on some uh I guess at the time, some uh bigger time surf videos that is that correct? Yeah. After like you asked, like when did we know we were a real band? Um I think for me it was either like when we played at the state theater. Yeah. Uh like. I can see that making you feel because you're in a bigger venue. Yeah. A lot of bands come through state theater here in St. Pete play there, so yeah. Um and we did like a surf skate festival type show there. And or maybe um I don't know, maybe when we played that Lost Enterprise show. Surf expo party. Surf expo party. That was the biggest show we played, it was huge. Um it was linked to Lost Enterprise as a surf company. You guys playing out there pretty regularly? Yeah, we were playing all over Florida. We were playing we went to Jacksonville, we went to Orlando, we'd play a lot around here. Um and then I I remember feeling like, oh, this could go somewhere when there was a an article in was it Surfer or Surfine, Surfing Magazine. Surfing magazine, it was the punk issue, and our friend Corey Lopez was interviewed in it, and he was nice enough to talk about our band quite a lot. He gave us a lot of text in that, and I thought, oh wow, this this could go somewhere and do something. And so fast forward, it it gets put on some sort of video or videos. Yeah, a couple handfuls. O'Neal surf, they make the wetsuits. They they used a couple of our songs in one of their videos, O'Neal Experienced, and then uh some of the early Lost videos, like Lost Across America and What's Really Going Wrong. Yeah, they used a couple of our songs. They got pretty good views. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I meet I met a guy, I was telling him on the way here, I met a guy in Brazil while I was in Nicaragua, a surfer, and he knew about Anonymous Prime because of the surfer friends wearing shirts that said Anonymous Prime on these videos that became very popular and very wide circulated. He knew Anonymous Prime. Who knew, right? Like you knew that your little video you would make that would put you on the map. Yeah. Who knew? You never know what happens. Sometimes you could because you know I've played music for a long time and I've met a lot of circles of musicians from all different genres, but you got some guys I've seen that are just fabulous musicians who never go anywhere. Then you got some guys who are not that great of musicians, but happen to be at the right place at the right time, have the right fan base that make it. So there's it's it's a lot of luck involved, uh unfortunately I have to say. Uh I don't know if luck's the right word, but you know, sometimes you run to these places where, like I said, you get the better band didn't always make it. Yeah. And so uh and punk rocks, it's almost kind of an underground thing to me anyway. Like, you know, it just it wasn't back then for sure, like it probably wasn't as mainstream as it is today, but um it's more underground, more energetic. It's you know, it's a lot of things, you know, aggression, getting your anger out, that kind of thing. Yeah. Um so you guys were in that whole scene. So I and I kind of understand that because when uh when we were younger, you know, with my brother Alan and Kelly, they were really running the underground stuff with their more of the heavier stuff, but still all that underground music where those kids were just really looking for something to grasp to at that time. Yeah, it was like cool to be into something before it got popular, before it got noticed or discovered, you know. And um I was always trying to find the next band that was unheard of, you know. That's uh same with me. Like ever since I was really young, I think I gave up on radio probably when I was around like 14, 13. Because I had just had a lot of older friends that were pointing me in the just the right direction with music, and it's you weren't gonna find it on the radio, you know. I've kind of always radio probably polished stuff. It was all you know, all looked good, sounded good. Yeah, I kind of felt like radio is like this your force fed, a limited selection of what was the same. Well, back then you had to look a certain way, you'd act a certain way, you had to have a you know a certain band look, all that had to come into play if you were gonna be picked up by a record label, let's say. Um so it had to be people like yourselves who just kind of paved their own way, uh, just did their own thing, even though it wasn't maybe not been the pretty side of things. It was uh what you guys felt. It wasn't come out of you that way. Yeah, I think in the 90s, what changed things, like there was no hope for anybody to make a living in a punk rock band really then. I think what changed things was Nirvana. Oh, absolutely. Nirvana just blew the door open for a lot of different types. It wasn't the same cookie-cutter thing all the time. Now there was something, uh I never heard of that. Like, what's that? Yeah. Right. First song pretty much everybody learned on the guitar in those days was my first song I learned was Smoke on the Water. Smoke on the Water. Smoke on the Water. My first song I wanted to play on guitar was an A C D C song off the Who Made Who album, but it wasn't a song for the album, it was actually a song for a soundtrack for I think it was called Maxim Overdrive. It was kind of a machines take over the world kind of movie. But it had a bunch of ACDC music, but it's just music, it wasn't lyric really. So I had a song out this gravitated to that I learned how to play the first time. I was like, I don't know, 14, 13 in my room. Grandpa got me a guitar for the first time, and ACDC went on the deck, and boom, I was learning how to play guitar. So that's how that's my experience of learning music. So well, you've come a long way since then. In case you don't know, the host of None Better is a shredder. Well, I don't know about all that, but I appreciate the uh the uh the kudos here. I appreciate that. Um Jace, when did you learn when you start playing guitar? How old were you? I was probably I would say, well, I had a plastic guitar with nylon strings that my mom bought me, and whenever the monkeys would come on TV, I'd grab that thing and go running out, you know, hey, we're the monkeys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I just I just I've always been attracted to music and bands and what they were doing and creating from such a really young age. I think a lot of it, my parents uh they listened to The Dead and Zeppelin and Floyd. So I had a lot of good music around me. And my dad's always throughout the years, even into my 20s, he's just constantly introducing more stuff, you know, just constantly. So I, you know, I really got into the jam scene, I would say, probably around like 17, 16, 17, 18, really got into the jam music like fish, you know, got to see the dead one time, and it really opened up another door to what fun music could be instead of going to these shows where people were kind of just had a scowl on their face, everybody's pissed off, pushing each other around, you know. Then you go to a a hippie show and it's like everybody's looking out for each other, everybody's got smiles on their faces. Yeah, it was just a totally different, more inviting atmosphere. But and some of the some of these bands would touch with some aggression in their music, you know. They would get fast and get punchy with the guitars, you know, so it really was fun. But I I can remember my my first guitar, it was some red Kramer, I think it was, and I had this little PV amp, and that's what I learned how to play out of was that. That amp was a thing they made of custom called custom, like K-U-S T on my back in the day. Yeah, I think they're around anymore, but that's what it was like in the 70s and 80s, they were kind of big. So this cheap little 112 cabinet or 12 combo amp with called custom. And when bought me to Star Trek, I'm like, ooh, what's that? Like, oh right, I like that. Whatever that sound is, I like that. So that's I kind of got, you know, I grew up in music though. My grandfather was a my grandfather was a music professional musician. I grew up with my grandparents. So I got introduced to music as a very young kid. So I was had there was always guitars, mandolins, you know, ukulele's. He had he played still guitar band, he played like nine different instruments, so there was always an instrument around. So as a kid, I was just picking up guitars and just plucking on like you would. But about 12, 13 years old, I got serious about it. My grandpa saw that I got serious about it. So he got me my first guitar, so that was a journey to starting off playing the guitar. So back then you're talking this is in the 80s, so I'm learning the bands like Rat and Van Halen and all these hair band music back in the day. That was the power thing and I gravitated to that sound for some reason. So I learned how to play all that kind of stuff. So and then you know I went through my career from there. But um so back to you guys, I don't want to talk about me because I'm not that exciting. You guys are the exciting ones here. Um so I want to ask you this. So we you guys uh 25 years later or 27 years, however long it's been, yeah, what made you decide I want to go do this again? You want uh me to answer first? You can start. Okay. Well, I guess uh the reason why I stopped playing way back then, I didn't want to, but I felt like I had to figure out like what my life was about and what my purpose was. And you were young too. Like you were in your what, 20s, early 20s at this point. Yeah, I I quit the band at like 20 years old, I believe. 19, 20, somewhere in there. Late teens, you know, maybe. Okay, you're still here, you're young. And they kept playing. Jason took over guitar and vocals at that time, and that's like the songs on O'Neill experience are yours that you sang on. Um, you know, the ones on Lost Enterprises and Bat Surfboards I I sang on. But I left because I needed to figure out like what's the meaning of life because I was getting so depressed, I didn't even I didn't want to live anymore. I didn't even figure it out. Dark time during that time frame. Yeah, I ended up uh in a mental hospital for a weekend and had mental issues, mental health issues. Very dark. Um and the next week after I got out of this mental hospital, I went to a Pentecostal church for the first time in my life. I thought those people were crazy when I first walked in. That's your background as a Pentecostal background. But they had something going on that I uh was attracted to. They had a very real joy. Yeah. I heard the gospel of Jesus Christ preached, maybe not for the first time, but it was the first time I remember it making sense. And I ended up giving my life to Christ, and slowly he started healing my mind. It took like a year and a half for me to get off antidepressants and anti-anxiety pills and stuff. But as he started rewiring my mind and healing me, I started feeling like I'm gonna be okay, you know? And um he gave me a wonderful wife, Anna. We've been married since uh 2000, so we're 26 years, and then five kids, and I'd never been back to a mental hospital again. Praise God. Oh, that's awesome. Uh but you know, Jason and I have always remained friends through all these years, and I've always still loved music, and I still got like a lot of, I would call it like punkedelic in me. Not just punk rock, but like the psychedelic kind of rock, you know. We're we had an eclectic taste for different kinds of music, yeah, and we just would smush them all together and and make songs that had all of it, you know. And so over the years, um, the opportunity came up where you know, I'm in real estate now, I had some free time and some flexibility, and I actually met up with your brother, um, Kelly Nunn, who's an incredible recording engineer. He's amazing at what he does, you know. Very good, very, very good. And shout out to Kelly Nunn. Yeah, and I think I think I threw I think at the time I threw 300 bucks in, or I think I threw in a 900 bucks, a thousand bucks for my daughter to do two songs because she um writes music, and then I did one. And it was the overreach, which and I was like, Hatch, you want to help me record this? And he's like, Yeah, let's do it. And um, it was fun, you know, and I was like, Man, I'd like to do more of this again, you know, and so we did. We uh turned into how many more songs you've recorded since then? Is that five? Five or six, yeah. Six, I think. Yeah, six. Um I think even Kelly, I think I did something for him, like some real estate favor, and he's like, I'm gonna record a song for you for free. And that was surfing, the the song surfing. Okay, which when we were done, we put it out. Um, this website, golfster.com, they are a daily surf report for both here on the Gulf Coast of Florida, but also in Brevard County on the east coast of Florida. The guy Ryan Clapper, who runs that website, he caught wind of our song and he liked it, so he took some footage that he filmed guys surfing of in Brevard County on a good day of some good surfing, and he put our music to that song, and that kind of got the attention of some people. Oh, they're they're gonna play again, you know? And um, this guy, Jojo, on the East Coast. Yeah, we met him over at the East Coast, yeah, when we did the show. Yeah, he saw that video and heard the song and reached out to me on social media and is like, Do you guys play live anymore? And I'm like, Well, we haven't in a very long time. But if it was the right uh gig, like a surf skate thing. Technically, we didn't even have a band. It was really just Gabe and I that did the recordings. Yeah, yeah. And Kelly just helped you guys produce it again. Yeah, yeah, we didn't have a band, we had me and you. Kelly put drums on your record for you? No, I played drums. That's right. I played drums on all the new tracks, had to learn how to play to click, which we didn't do that back in the day. Yeah, but I like it. It's it's really better dialed in. Yeah. I played drums, I sang on all the new stuff. He did all the guitar work and bass work, and then we would harmonizing and backup vocals. He did the backup vocals. We sing good together because we were in Florida boy choir together. Well, since I'm on a uh honorary anonymous prime member, next time you guys start writing the next album, you call me, I'll be happy to join in on the guests. Yeah, yeah. Uh look forward to it. Yeah. So, what was it like to uh get in this room again? You know, Kelly getting here and I got here and kind of helped you guys uh put on this show for you guys, which I had a blast doing, by the way. Uh I haven't played punk right now. Since you and I did our thing back in the No Hope days. Right. Which was also late nineties, I guess, in that time frame. I think early 2000s. Yeah, late. Yeah, it was early 2000s. Okay. So if you didn't know, me and Gabe have a relationship from before Anonymous Prime that or after I'm sorry, after Anonymous Prime that we get a band together with some other friends of ours, and we did it for a couple years. Yeah. We played a lot of shows. We played all kinds of places we'd have played around. It was a punk rock thing. So uh me and Gabe had had a friendship, but we've been friends ever since, and we've met each other in different places, ran across each other in other areas, and it's fun to kind of get back with you, do some more music game with you. It's been a blast for me. So it's uh I appreciate the invite to keep me entertained with you guys. This guy's fun. Yeah. I try to have fun. I mean, and that's what it's about, right? If I can't have fun doing it, what do I want to do it for? Exactly. Like, and that's what we've been saying with the new music. Like, if it's not fun, we're not gonna do it. I'm almost 50 years old. If it's not a good thing, but it's too long to listen, if it ain't gonna be no fun involved or the right people, because you know musicians can have egos, singers can definitely have egos. Dude, uh the fact that I get to come here with you two guys, and you just were just had let's just have fun with this. And it's just it was not a challenge, it wasn't like that. It wasn't no, you know, we just got in here, we we all collaborated together, we worked our butt off for probably two and a half months to get ready for that show. And uh I think we get up there and then we just nailed it. Yeah, it was fun. Um, so everybody knows there was no band these days, it's just me and Jason making the music. So when this guy asked, Hey, you want to play this show? I asked Hatch, I'm like, Do you want to do it? And he's like, Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Of course, Jason Hatch would say let's do it, right? So I'm like, who are we gonna have play? And he mentioned a few names, I mentioned a few names. I didn't think your brother would even be interested in him playing drums for Anonymous Prime, but to my surprise, he said, Oh yeah, I'll do that. Yeah. And I was and then actually when I I think I asked you first, and I told Kelly, your brother, I was like, Johnny's gonna play with us, and I think that may be sweet and real that he gets to hang out with his brother. I mean, I wouldn't have done it for anybody, but because it was you, that's the only reason I would have said yes. Like if we'd been somebody else, I probably would have said no. I'm a busy guy, I got a lot going on. But because it was you and and and of course Jason, um, I think it was an easy yes for me because like, oh man, I get to play with Gabe again, and this sounds like fun. I didn't play punk rock and since we did that last thing, so I'm more of a metal guy, so a rock guy. Um so to do something a little different with me was fun. Yeah, and it's more a little more challenging, it's faster, you know, that kind of thing, and it's just energetic, you know, so it's a lot of fun. Yeah. Uh the turnout was good, the event was good. So I'm excited to see if we could do another show here in St. Pete. Hopefully, hopefully that'll be coming because uh we talked about doing another show here locally or cut more shows, possibly, if it's uh if the interest was there. So yeah, I definitely want to keep going, that's for sure. So when you guys got in this room, we actually started reaction hersing that first time. What did it feel like for you? Like it was like surreal, was it like wow, we're here doing this again? And it it was it I wouldn't really say surreal, it was just a exciting, I guess. You know, it was just exciting. I'm excited for you, so yeah, it was exciting to get to work with you guys and just get get everybody dialed in and everybody get on the same page and work through the songs. After a few goes, I would say by like the fourth practice, it started sounding like, okay, I think we got this. Like, this is gonna work. Yeah, you know. So if if for the listeners out there who don't know who anonymous prime, if they want to find out who you are, first of all, where would they find you? And number two, I know you got new records, but maybe there are old records they want to visit. Where would they find that kind of stuff? What recommend what record would you recommend? Like, this is if you want an Onymous Prime on this full list, this is the record, right? This is what you watch or go listen to. Yeah. Well, we just released a reissue of our old album from the 90s. In the 90s, we had a CD called Quest for the Never Ending Ride. Quest for the Never Ending Ride. Yeah. And um If that ain't surf-related, I don't know what it is. Right? Actually, the cover is like uh a wave with a guy surfing, fading into a skateboard ramp with a guy grinding the rail, um, bunch of instruments behind it. Nice like a volcano. I don't think I've actually seen that cover. I've seen the new stuff you've done, but not the old ones. Yeah. Um, and we just re-released that on Spotify, Apple Music, Everywhere You Listen to Music. Um and we called it Quest for the Never Ending Ride Redux Maximus. Redux Maximus. Well, first it was gonna be, and what we did was we did like half of the old songs that I would feel comfortable still playing and singing. Yeah. We remastered those tracks and then half new songs, and we put them together in, I think, a good order. Um and so you got the old mixed with the new, and you know, heading into the future. We were gonna call it um quest for the never-ending ride, Redux 2.0, but there's all these rules of on Apple Music of how you can title things, and if you use numbers, then it's looked at as a volume, and they so I had to go back and forth with the uh online distributor to get it right, and finally I was like, fine, I'll get rid of the numbers, and what can I do here? Redux Maximus is what I came up with. Redux Max. And the funny thing is Maximus Maximus. The funny thing is, is I look up what does this mean? Oh, Redux was like a kind of a surfboard term. Like when you there's models of surfboards, and when they kind of reintroduce them and reintroduce something and maybe pull in the the dimensions. They'll call it a Redux. Okay, okay. So it was kind of a nod to surf manufacturing, surf shaping. Um, and then uh the 2.0 was like, okay, this is like a nod to our old album, but it's something new at the same time. So when I had to land on Redux Maximus, I looked that up, and what it actually means, unbeknownst to me, is the ultimate comeback. Oh that makes sense. So I was like, just take it back to that smoky room in the 90s. I was like, whoa. The ultimate comeback. Well, I have to say this because now that I gotta go back with Gabe and do some playing with these guys, I got to listen to some of the things he likes to do or what he does for Jason to write some music. So Gabe, I guess, has ideas in his head, and he'll come, hey Jason, I want you to go da da da and I have to do that. And Jason has to go, okay, I'll put that on the guitar, uh, whatever that is. This is how they write music, so I found that to be funny. This because you come in and say, Hey Jason, I need you to do this. Like, Jason's like, what? Like, not even anything on a guitar done, just it's not even in a key, it's just dun, and I'm like, ah, well, I'm pretty good at picking apart as duh duhs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I don't know if I can write music with anybody else in trouble of it, don't you? Like, you play the song. Enough to write a song. Yeah, he basically will give me some primitive, basic concept of it, and we'll take it and kind of bounce it back and forth as I kind of elaborate on and evolve it. Yep. And see if it's fitting where we're going for. And so you've got to revisit your past, got to come here and do it again. What's the future for an Amas Prague? It's I'm having fun. Yeah, I just I'd love I'd music's always been a part of my life even before I even knew it was, you know. So it's just it's ingrained in me, you know, and just the love of live music. Well, Gabe, the next time you have a da-da-da-da-da moment, I'd love to be involved in that process because I want to see how that works. We literally, I will do a voice recording on my phone of, hey, I got this idea, and it's like do do do do do do do do. And I send it to him, and then I'm like, can you work on that? And he knows, like, he treat he knows what I'm talking about. It's like anybody when you get to know somebody long enough, you kind of know how to interact with those things. And I have friends like that, I can do stuff, certain things like they all know how to react to what I do, but that's the same thing. You get a karamar uh uh camarade that you guys just know how to do it. I'll get a whole song in my head, but I don't know how to play it. I can't play it, so I I have to like do do do it, you know. I got the drum beat in my head, I got the bass line. You should write a song called guitar. Doo-doo do I got like uh didn't the police do that? I don't know, I don't know. I have no idea. Yeah, but it's it's fun. So what would I like to do with it? I mean, God willing, you know, I would like to keep doing it. And I don't want it to be my full-on career, but I would love for it to be like a side career, kind of like bad religion's still playing. The dude's you know, the main singer. You kind of do what me and Kelly have been doing. Like we're we're we're kind of done with Riot now. Well, we're playing Riot for Romance. Well, we're our le I can't even speak today. Our record label are we were confined to six gigs a year. We had to do six road trips basically. Yeah. Six cities we did. So we do like a one road trip, hit all the six spots in one time. Yeah. I'd love to do something like that. The last one I think we did, we went from we did a showcase here in St. Pete, then we went to Birmingham, then a show there, to Atlanta, and then Nashville. And we hit, you know, and we've also done Chicago and a few other places we did stuff in the last couple years. But um, that's the way I would do it. Like uh hit, you know, design some uh you know three or four-day kind of tour. You can hit like three or four cities, three or four towns or whatever. Yeah. Go where you're you're popular at if you ever gonna do that. I'd do it. I'd be I'd be game for it. Yeah, ideally, ideally, I'd love if it could get big enough where we could do it on a part-time basis, you know, where we could keep making music, it pays for its game, keep writing music and keep recording. We're getting private jets to the locations. Oh, yeah, there we go. You got a private jet, Jason? I didn't realize. No, I know a couple of guys. I remember driving to Keystcoes, I didn't fly there. Hey, he's real bellboys with a lot of uh pretty famous people, and he seems comfortable in that space. Yeah, he is. I can see him be on my he's got pictures with Eddie Vetter and uh, I don't know, all these different people. Some randoms. Yeah, Hatch is already a rock star. I'm the I'm the goofy nerdy guy that makes uh songs out of quotes from um the founding fathers of our nation and important Americans. He's the he's the rock star. I gotcha, I gotcha. We're getting to that time. So for all the listeners, won't you give them all your information where they can find your music, they can find you, all that kind of thing. Where's that at? Yeah, we're not that good at it yet, but we're putting everything out on social media at anonymous prime music on Instagram is the main spot. I try to keep up with uh the Facebook, but I I just haven't. Um so that's probably the main website or anything. Maybe you can set it up to where whatever you do on Instagram will piggyback it to Facebook. I couldn't link Facebook. Yeah, Facebook and Instagram will link. We'll get you there. Yeah. You need to get some AI tools, which you need. Uh learn from you. Guys, I appreciate you guys coming in here today. Jason. Thanks for having me. And we do want to do another show here in the Tampa Bay Area. So, yeah, we're definitely going to be doing a show here pretty soon, guys. Uh, don't know where that is, but as soon as we do, we'll announce that. I'll put it all over my social medias. We'll get you guys out there. I got all of them, so we'll get you covered either way. Yeah. We'll have our links to all our bios and everything that we have. Go check them out, Anonymous Prime. Um, I won't say that surfer's long title because I don't remember. Quest for the never ending. Everywhere you listen to music. Everywhere you listen to music, guys. We thank you guys for checking in, stopping in here and having some fun with Sir the None Beater. I can't even talk, guys. I'm sorry. I gotta slow down sometimes. Thank you for joining us, stopping back here at the None Better Podcast. You guys return, return back next week. We'll be talking. I don't know who we're talking to yet, but we got some pretty cool things lined up. And uh until then, keep on rocking. We'll see you next time.