Muamua Part 2 Church & Culture

Streaming now and connect with us online @thirdwatchpodcast

Apple | Spotify | Youtube | Instragram | Tik Tok | Facebook 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Um anyway.

SPEAKER_00 0:02

So now that we spoke about culture, but what do you think of church? So obviously churches we obviously churches and it's the same everywhere. Um how does culture kind of play into church in terms of like church in Australia, New Zealand, but as well as here in America? Because we've experienced all three of them. And so do you think there is a difference between church here, church there, and church there? I think so. Especially in the singing. I mean, the singing in America is specifically with who? Name and drop, name, name drop, name drop, name drop. Besides that, I feel what I've seen is like in New Zealand, yeah, we have language wards. And those language wards are intended to stay language wards. But like serving in our mission, I don't know if you knew it before, but I learned that the language wards within our Melbourne mission were called transitionary wards to help teach the Polynesians English so that they can then go into the English wards and they don't have to hold place for languages. Um so there's a made there's a big difference. And I don't necessarily disagree with either one, but I I kind of have like a moral bias because I was born in New Zealand. I I like language wards, but I think what kind of uh the issue is here is like maintaining the same standards for all. Regardless if it's language or not language. Yeah. But also like even just within the language wards. Some language wards, the sacrament is all in in the language, and then all classes are in English. Right. But in some language wards, the sacrament is still in the language, but all the classes are done in the language too. Like the direction is a little bit different, and I don't know whether the bishop, you know, just holds uh the authority to decide that. But I think that's where kind of issues uh kind of come about within the future generation. Yeah. Because if you have lessons in English, usually the kids will grow up learning the doctrine in English and don't have much of the language, which kind of doesn't serve the purpose of a language ward, which is to learn the gospel in your assigned language. Yeah. But then contrasting to the youth that are in language wards, they have both sacrament and classes in that language, they end up uh learning more of the language in terms of the doctrine. And so they uphold the culture a little bit more. This is me in general speaking. They hold up the culture a little bit more because of the initial language respect in church. So that's one facet that I've seen how they kind of uh go with each other and compare from here. But did you have anything? No, I was just thinking of like the difference of culture uh in the church, but in different I think everywhere is different. Um but the doctrine of the of the church or the I guess the principle um the church is the same everywhere, right? And the same everywhere, but I think the the way we go about it and understanding and learning the gospel is different. Yes. And I think it's different here, different in Australia and different in England. In terms of, you know, for example, right, just in the um Just as a background, this is a second council in the bishopric for award. You didn't have to go there Sunday school president. I think it's it's different because of in New Zealand, I think it's only only certain amount of of I guess people that are from the same culture. Like if you go to Palangi water, there's only a certain amount of tongue and someone and Maurito Palangi in one ward. And if you come here, there's so many different cultures into or backgrounds, I guess, into that one ward. Like we're attaining a YC ward and we have people like from Mongolia, Indonesia, you know, it's just everywhere. Yeah. So I think it's it it's different, you know, here versus back home. Yeah. So I think the application of it of how the gospel is sort of looked upon as well as different. Yeah, like I feel like it's more relaxed here. Right. You know what I mean? Like I remember my first Sunday coming here, like I was supposed to start at 10.30. We got here at 10.35 and it still hasn't started. You know what I mean? And at first I was like, what the heck? Because like back home, we're so strict on time. Yeah. Like, I feel like uh Polynesians were very, very respectful of our leaders and always rely on the doctrine. And we're very unbending. Like the law is the law, and that's how we run back home. Like, start on time. Meetings are supposed to have this people, and if other people see that they're not following the doctrine, oh, that's where the beef starts. You know what I mean? But here it's like more relaxed, it's almost like it's less governing, it's more self-governing here. Right. Like it's it's more flexible in the in your choices, and they try and kind of teach how you can find truth in the doctrine, not just the doctrine. That's what I feel. I don't know. No, so uh a follow-up question to that then. Um do you think that someone, you know, do you think that here, church here is let me try to think in my mind? In my mind, I'm you know it's a question. So I would say to that, you know, do you think that we don't take church too serious here? Oof than back home? Or is it that back home It's too strict, it's too strict. Because uh let me debrief. Like I'm not saying that any version is bad, right? Yeah, it's just my my my purview of it. But I do value doctrine, I value policies and laws. That's how I grew up. Right. And I think that's how my most Polynesians grew up.

unknown 6:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Your mom and dad say something, you do it. No, no asking questions. Kind of like Adam before he was taught the gospel, right? Well, I think we're in that state. But I agree with both. I think they're reacting to their environment. Yeah. Similar like to like the law of Moses, it was so strict because that's the only way they could govern the people back then. Whereas now we have the higher law where we kind of learn to govern ourselves. We learn we are invited to learn the reasons behind the commandments, not to just blindly follow them. Um so in essence, I don't think I kind of agree with both. I think this is a little bit too strict. A balance of both. And this is a bit too loose, in my opinion. I think they kind of need to like if there's no order, there's gonna be anarchy, right? If there's no policies, there's no laws, then the interpretations thereof are going to be countless. Yeah. But also if you have too much pluralism, like there's too much power everywhere, and there's too much freedom, it's also going to lead to anarchy. So I think it's like a balance of both. Here I am going to political science, my law. My law. And that's why you're mine. My law, Sisterka no. But I I feel like a balance of both is needed. But I also feel like as long as it's in with uh in line with the doctrine, in line with our our our manual, our policies, yeah, I don't think it's incorrect to do either way. It's just reacting to their environment.

unknown 7:45

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

So another question to that then. Do you think that's a personal thing or a collective thing as a congregation or as a ward? Oh, what do you mean by that? Like So in terms of of of you know, not too serious, but as well as don't hang too loose. So do you think that should that that should be more of a personal thing that you should take that on board ourselves and apply it to ourselves? Or should that be taken on board by a church as a collective? I think personally. Personally, yeah. Like I I think back to Jesus Christ and how he ministered one by one. And I think in order to change this, it requires a personal change. Right. Like for them to see it, to be aware of it. You know what I mean? Um, because if we just try and do it collectively, they're just going to be managed by it, but not understand why. But when we take it personally, we we look further. So I think personally first. Okay. I would agree with that as well. I think if we 'cause if it's the I think the issue not issue, but I think this comes down to uh to the individual, but not necessarily on the church, right? Because you know it it's an it's the people that makes the church, right? So I think it comes down to the person. Church can, you know, be there to govern, but not to the point of impeding on your personal aid or your your agency to choose, right? So I think that should come down to the individual. Yeah. And also like it depends on the leaders too, yeah. That's true like if they're open to these ideas. Yeah. Because usually the leaders will kind of direct how the waters run. Yeah. And if they have a tight grip and they're very doctrinal, then that's how it will be everywhere. But if they're very loose and casual, casual is not the wrong word, but you know, adapt flexible, then that's how it will be for everyone else. Yeah. Well, this just this went really uh doctrinally heavy. Let's digress, let's have a breath. Um Yeah, what are some of the uh some of the traditions, I guess culture is what that you like and you don't like about your tongue and culture. Do too much now. Do it too much, eh? What I like about my tongue and culture is that we're very uh fiercely loyal, very friendly, right? I'm friendly. Sure. Yeah, idea washing and take that back. But like what I've noticed is that tongues they they mean what they say. If you ever need help and you ask them, they'll do it. You know what I mean? Like they've never kind of uh been unreliable. Uh this is Tonguins from the islands. That's for a little bit with selective, especially when you're not reciprocating. Oh. Um, so that's what I feel. I like about the Tongan culture is that man, whenever I ask any of my Tonguans like about anything, yeah. Uh whether it be advice or whether it be help with something, they're so eager to give. Give, give, give. Yeah. Um But on the contrary, what I kind of don't like about our uh culture, and I don't know if it's I don't think it's alone with Tonga, I think it's a lot of Polynesian islands. Just Tonga is like uh the pride that comes with you know um your homes or your cars. Like I've seen like because a lot of people come from a poor setting when they have opportunities to get other things that are good, they like to show it off. You know what I mean? Like, man, I don't know if you know, but like boastful of things. Yeah. If you go to a tongue and ward, you're gonna see in the car park is gonna be half full of ute, you know what I mean? And they get these massive debts, but they like to show off their nice big cars and so flash. Yeah. And then when they go to their home, they like to show off their nice couches or uh boast on their food or things like that. And it's not necessarily a tradition, I think this is more of like your intrinsic nature, but I think it stems from from value, like for example, like Samuels and like the the level or the amount of money that they give reflects on on their status, yeah. And so for Tongan's, like we like to boast in that way. That's what I've seen. Yeah, it might be unique to my family. I'm not saying that mum and dad you were uh trying to flex, but uh, you know, those car payments were serious, serious better than all us kids. But that's what I've seen. Yeah, that's just one thing. What about you? Um man, there's so much I don't like. Um, but what that's like another episode. Um I think for me, when it comes to culture, um, man, culture of some is beautiful, like the dancing, the singing. I'm always a proud, I'm always proud um of when culture is represented. Um, especially with how successful a lot of Samoa's are right now when it comes to sports, you know, just anything, man. Like I feel like we're everywhere more than the Tongans. Um like you can always everywhere, you're in prison. Uh I think for me, it's just I'm very proud of my people that way. And I just love how we're represented in and kind of in all areas. Either we're either the first Polynesian people there or we've you know we've dominated a certain space, right? So that's one thing I love about it. Like one of the many things I love about my culture, and and I'm why I'm proud of it to be a Salmon. So what you're so proud you you prefaced your statement by saying you you dislike so much about Salmore. I don't say that you said that let's play this back up. He's got the camera. You finish uh you had your time, so it's my time. Uh but I think one thing that I don't like is what you mentioned. Uh, is when we get to a uh a competition way of of culture, right? I think we we we tend to sort of up one another with with how things are, you know. Yeah, you know, if this family gives in a thousand dollars, up them fifteen hundred dollars. Like it's it's more of that, you know, we're we we become too proud to the point of being prideful. And we lose the reasoning behind it. And we lose the reasoning behind it, like you know, we just we can give only so much. And then because of that, the people that are receiving these things are expecting as well. So there's that expectation of from not only from as a receiver, but as well as from the people that it's that it's you know giving as well. They they've contributed so much, you know. Oh, that's the person that kind of get saved this and that from me. But I think you know, we're we're we're kind of taking it to a whole nother level to the where we're struggling. We can't even we can't even pay for our kids' lunch, or we can't even you know, we can't even make them. But yeah, so I think for me, that's one of the um one of the issues, not issues, but one of the things that I don't like about or disagree with. We just give what we can and and I would speak on on my father on this part. He was a very simple man, and he would have only he knew how much our family struggled from moving from New Samoa to New Zealand. So he knew how to sort of live within his means, and because of that, some of his family members just didn't, you know, kind of like him that way. And I'm like, man, you do you kind of thing. So and I think we were blessed because of of the way he was kind of leading on that front end. And I would I would definitely definitely um I guess say that church played a massive role into that because he was an understanding man, he knew of uh of Christ, the culture of Christ that you spoke of, or the doctrine of Christ, that he didn't want his family to sort of struggle through while you know and giving so much. So what him as a I guess as a as a as a Mattai within his family really wanted to make sure that his family uh that's chief, by the way, for those who didn't know. Yes, chief. Um but I think he really wanted his family to be able to sort of see that we can still, you know, uphold our culture, we can still be part of our culture, but within the means that we do have. Not to the point of you know, having to eat back one more than um, you know and Gregus and Milo. Yeah, but there's nothing bad. There's not we're not saying that, you know, yeah, the poor and any of that kind of stuff, but yeah, so but yeah, there's some of the things that I don't like about my culture. That was a lot, eh? Anyways, uh moving on. You're so proud of a culture you don't like. But we're not saying we don't like our culture, we don't like aspects that come as a result of our culture. But if I I think if I think of the word culture as well, I think enough. Um but I think the aspect of culture, I think it's something that people we've changed. Like if we change it from how it was to how it is, then we could change it to how it can be. Ohly because you ate and you're still eating. Um yeah, it's just it's just crazy like how it's so hard that we can stay in, I guess, one way of looking at culture. But man, I think with time, you know, back like for example, right? I'm giving do you understand what I'm saying? Um like for example, uh for example, siapo or natu in tongues, right? That used to be our currency. That used to be a way of us trading things. Now it's all about money. Yeah. Now we should be looking at money differently now. Instead of giving money, maybe we should give our time. We live our family, you know. And for people that are receiving that, they should not expect something more than the praises of the person being there, right? So I mean, we're already doing that, but we need to do more of it, yeah, right. It and and not necessarily have to give money for you to go, but as being able to give time and offer what you can. And I feel like that's a very uh uh it's a viewpoint that is more from the diaspora. Right. Like those that have broken away or have experienced the kind of European sense of the world and uh the culture, they kind of are more lenient towards a more uh open cultural setting. And I think it's done right usually by those that relate it to their religion and uh will allow them to grow together, and it grows in a very healthy way. Healthy. Yeah, should be the last word I'd ever mind. Okay, here's some fun questions for you. Oh, yes. Uh top three artists. Man, I really should have thought about this. This is hard for me. I'm a musician, I love to sing. Are you? Oh yeah, great. Yes, he's got a good voice, everyone. Good voice. Top three Polynesian artists? Yeah, Polynesian. Well, yeah, Polynesian Islands. Uh, in terms of uh their singing or their scope of like what okay, you're thinking too hard about that. Just top three artists. Okay. Okay. I'd be stupid if I didn't put uh Fiji up there. Fiji is definitely Oh, yes. Like his bangers come in there, whether you drink or don't drink, whether you dance or don't dance. Seems like you've experienced all of them. Like his influence is everywhere, his type of reggae, his RB style, top notch. And his category, his list of songs is crazy. Yeah. Second one. Man, that's hard. I think um, I don't even know if I choose you before you because they're not even Polynesian. I would say the next artist for me, I love Aretna. She's got a good voice. She's got a mad voice. I went to Sarmor, too, you know? Uh yeah, I guess so. But she she has an amazing voice, and her music is awesome, but it's more like emotional, emotive. They tell a story, which is what I like. Right. Um, and then my third one.

unknown 20:38

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Oh no. Like I'm thinking of the Maori's, you know, 660 and um man. I think I'll have to go uh with Nisi and Mystic. Oh, that's a good one. Like growing up. Like they were more in the 90s, like when you were born. But they have so many bangers and they kind of pave the way for future artists to come in. Yeah, those will be my top three. So Fiji, Aretna, and Niji Mystic. How are you? Oh, definitely Fiji. Thank you for coming on. Uh number one, definitely Fiji. Um man, I've listened to his songs so many times and still to this day, R.I.P. Um, yeah, Fiji for sure. Um second one, I don't know in terms of artists, but I think any Salmon songs, man. Oh, you like the traditional salmon songs? Traditional, but as well as some of the modern ones. I like to do the traditional ones. Oh, so you like A. Um, no, but I I think any traditional salmon songs is a good. You can sing to them, you can dance to them. Doesn't matter where you're in it, it's it's Makes me proud. Uh and the last one, I would say Eddies. Yeah. I think they kind of sang more of an RB as well as like um their genre of their genre of music was really very musical, yeah. Very musical. The guitar, yeah, sing, and I think they start in another group as well. Turn six. Tone six, yeah. Yeah, Eddie's good. Yeah, but those are my top three. Yeah. Second question. Um I feel I forget about uh Josh Tatoffee, bro. Yeah, but he's an up and coming, but he's still pretty like if I choose three polished artists from Donga. Yeah. Oh yeah, Josh Tatoffy. Um oh my gosh. Yeah, but good thing that wasn't a question, man. Toffee artist. This is how I'm fake, bro. Yeah, it's supposed to be fun questions, but like quick and rip it as well, you know. Okay, how rap then go? Nah, kidding. Um Best Island cuisine. Ooh. Man, you should know having tasted quite a lot myself. Oh, we can tell. Okay. Doing too much ruining the spirit that we've felt for you. Best island cuisine. So, how about we we we mark, okay? We we choose the islands that we will have to compete. So let me give it to you, okay? New Zealand food versus tongue and food. Ooh. Man, I would say tongue and food. Ooh. Only because like if you look in a traditional way, like um uh what are they called? Um for you guys, as well as um what do they call them? Uh New Zealand. Hanggy. Hungy. If I was speaking out of those two, oh true. I would say tongue and umu. Yeah, because New Zealand sometimes the hungy, the the chicken, they put chicken in there and it always goes dry. Well, only dry, but I don't I feel like I mean they put in put they put in the what are they called the the pot or something? No, the what is it called the the little what are they called? The bread crumbs thing, what is it called? Stuffing. Stuffing, that's what it is. Um the bread crumbs thing. Um they put that in there, that's because that's the only flavor, flavor thing. But in everything else, like you need salt, you need pepper. Well, I like my food, salt and pepper already. Oh, you like your food seasoned. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, okay. Yeah, uh, so in that way, tongue. Okay, now tongue cuisine versus have you tasted mini? Oh you'd be surprised. Okay, tongue cuisine versus Hawaiian. Hawaiian I would say tongue again. I'll say tongue and again. I think I mean if you're looking at tonguan, Malotungu. Tungu, yeah, whatever that is. The crispy skin. Yeah, and then having versus uh kaloapokia, I don't know. Yeah. Uh uh, yeah. Let's just move on from here. What about poi? Poi?

unknown 25:19

Poi?

SPEAKER_00 25:19

They have poi, they have ulu, like in terms of those stats. I mean, we still have we have that in the islands as well, but their poi is more just from the tower, but we just eat the given that the bread, because you like you like the bread. Remember how the Kevin told me to get six loaves for you? Of the little ones. Okay, okay, tonga versus I would say Fiji, but I don't I don't know the well, curry, but hey, why do you say curry? Um probably it's an obvious one. Well, okay, so tonga versus Fiji. I'll say tonga. Dang, I just I just love hearing this, man. Yeah, yeah, keep going, keep going. There's one more island that's you know okay, Dahiti. Tahiti, too much coconut bread. I don't know too much about Tahiti's quiz. I don't know. But I th uh it's the same. I think it's the same with every island. Yeah, but because we're we're both Samoan and Tongan, we've kind of been the dominant nations of islands over all the islands. Alright, well well, well then, samuan versus tonga. Mate, Samuel, mate. Why? Just you guys just first of all, right, the way you guys cook your food, it's not bad, but it's just weird. Why? You know, like just because you put your pot on top of the earth and we put ours underneath the earth. And that's the reason why, exactly like that. Yeah, because you've you've you've lost your connection to what to the earth. To the to the earth. Um for me, uh not only because I grew up in it, but I think it's a comfort food for me now. Like I've always turned back to it. So, you know, yeah, something that I would you've turned back a lot. But anyways, for you'll be Tongan and I'll be salmon, I think we're just because of Well, I think Salmoens they cook their sippy better, their lamb. Of course we do. The marmo is so good, it's like tender, yeah? Yeah. But you know, we we don't usually like we cook our lamb flaps and stuff like that. But I feel like salmon's do it so good. No, we do, but I've got tonnans, your guys uh like our lu sippi or our loo and your balusami, our loo is way better. Well, no, I was just about to comment on that. So your loo, you all don't have coconut cream in it. We do, yeah, but you don't put enough of it. So you're maybe only the ones that I've got. I've tried the ones here in Hawaii, right? No, I've tried I've tried them back home. Back home? Yeah, from a samo and owner that makes the tongue and loose. No, no, no, no, no. No, but I've I I think Balo Sami's better, bro. Because we we have no meat, right? We have no meat. But we can add meat. We just don't you know what the meat. Our meat is a separate meal by itself. If I didn't want meat, I'd just sprinkle some coconut cream on grass because that's basically. I think our balusami is better, our loose sip is better. Yeah, I think if it if I mean because the way my mom cooks it's a best island cuisine, not best island luau. Next question. Now these lights are turning off because of us now. They're telling us to wrap it up. Um best dance and dancers. Okay, we'll just put on best dance. Oof. Dang. Like I like Samuel dancers, it's very exciting. You know, slap dance, entertaining, you know. I don't know what they taught, how they girl that dance with the head thing. Yeah. Can usually be a man as well. Sure. Yeah. CGN is very exciting with all of this jumping around. Uh I would say Man. That's hard. Man, you're taking so long. Um I like Cook Island dancing. I was about to say the same thing. Okay. If you gave me time. No, I'm not sure. Because I was gonna say I like Okay. This is gonna upset a lot of Tysons out there, but I prefer Cook Island dancing. I think the drumming sounds better, like it's faster. Yeah. And the movements are more vivid. Yeah, it is. And I think it's more I don't know, it's just exciting. They're not just about to you all the time, but they're they're doing other extras as well. So for me, Cook Island. Yeah. But a close second for me would be Tongan. Tongan. So boring. Uh poor. You know what's boring you guys sitting down? But that's a singing. That's singing, by the way. Anyways, uh But best voices. I would easily the best voices in the apologies. Outer or New Zealand. You mean the best screaming? No, for sure. Outer or they I don't know, they they have a different way of singing culture than but I think the Tongers as well. I think it when it comes to like church, you hear that one auntie at the back scream. It's just always Soprano, bro. They're the highest note. But I think I think out there because they've added complexity to music. Yeah. Like Tonga Sam Muffy G, we can sing nice, hearty, loud. That's sometimes pretty much about it. Yeah. Whereas I feel like out there they add more uh complex harmonies, you know, minor keys and I'm not no music major, but like they have different chords that they use. Um which I think is also because of the influence of like um colonization. Like they brought different instruments, the guitar and things like that. Like that barbershop kind of yeah, and they add those things to it. Whereas Dongas are more 3G, although in history we do have, you know, some minor chords, but we're very traditional, like you're setting your harmonies. Yeah, I agree with that as well. Um I think just to wrap it up, our final question of today, man. Uh best looking girls.

unknown 31:17

Girls.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Best looking people. Which island has the best looking girls? And this is why you worry about so either you choose a girlfriend or your mum. Well, I have to say uh looking girls, looking, looking looking people. That's that's a controversial question, man. From your mom or your girlfriend, which one? They're all beautiful in their own way. Remember, you wrote this question. We were brainstorming very briefly, okay? Which island has the best looking people? I'm going to expand it. No, I was only kidding, it says people here, but who's got the best looking people out of all the islands? Oh that's weird, eh? What a weird. Uh I would say Tahiti. Ya or an uh Tahiti, man, they have uh a lot of good looking people. Tahitian. Is it because of the influence of colonization? Because remember, there I don't think there's any fool Tahitians nowadays. There's always a French. There's a French influence. Yeah, there's no fool anybody. Keep going. You know what that means? Demingo? The man and girls. But I would say Tahitians. I love half-cast mixes. Yeah. You know who's got like a nice half-cast like like population? Tonguins, man. Hey! Like that uh that that white side, that half-cast side. Anyways, expose your life. So if there's any half-cast Tonguins out there, yeah, please hit my brother up here. He's um half-cast salmon, half-cast, big bear. Uh, but that's not my answer though. I'm just saying that I'm just complimenting. Are the Moldis too? Yeah. You love the real ones. No, but not Moldis are beautiful, right? Yeah, they are. But the voice is something that you have to kind of get attributed to. You have to get used to. Yeah. And I'm not hating. You are. But like, if you ask if you go to New Zealand, give us give us an example of the voice that they do. Like, you be the boy and I'll be the girl. Like, approach me. Sapagil. Oh, kill the cousin. Like they have the strong, like, you know. Yeah, they are Sapakill. Like that. Oh, kill the baby. I like the way you're walking today, baby. But why are you holding the bike like that? But like, you know what I mean? They're still very, very beautiful and uh more beautiful than us, you know, because we wore black to look more slim. Not to blend in with the wolf. But in essence, everyone's beautiful. Yes. Yes. You know, my girlfriend is from Samoa. Okay, Sam Mohan people are beautiful. Your girlfriend is from where? A premodal life. Uh no, she's uh she's out there somewhere. So if you find this video, let me know. Um the camera's not on you, man. You have to look at the main screen, mate. Um, but yeah, man, this has been good. Hey, what do you what are you uh how are you feeling with our first one, man? It's good. Uh and we apologize if there's any rough uh sections in there, but I think it's beautiful. Yeah. I'm I'm excited to explore these discussions in depth. So what we're giving you the questions that we've discussed on are like snippets of what we're gonna have in the future. We're gonna dive deep. And um it's a privilege, yeah, to have a platform to share these ideas with the world. Yeah. And to have fun with it. Yeah, yeah. This is not a political news story. This is this is real life. Yeah. Yeah, and we don't we don't speak for anybody. I think we're just speaking out of our experience and and things that we've sort of gone through. Uh, we're not speaking on behalf of the Tan community, the Samoa community, yeah, New Zealand, Australia, Hawaii community. We're just pretty much speaking from what we've gone through. Yeah. And we're definitely not speaking on behalf of the church as well. Um, we'll be talking a lot more about the church, but we'll we're definitely not going to sort of say that this is a chance. Represent them more. Oh, yeah, represent the church or say that there's a statement by the church. I think we'll be referencing a lot of the church stuff, but we won't be um, I guess, go through and say, hey, this is the official statement from the church. So I think for us it's just grateful for the opportunity to have sort of, I guess, a platform um to sort of expand expand on what we've gone through and and hope it kind of represent resonate with anyone. Four word of the day, Fano. Renaissance. What does the renaissance mean? Renaissance. Renaissance