Jokes Zengine Si Funny

What starts as “just jokes” can leave lasting damage. Through Odek’s story, this episode explores how peer pressure, ego, and casual misogyny can spiral into harm. Where does fun cross the line and what does accountability really look like for young men?

Transcript

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This episode contains sensitive content that may be triggering for some listeners. Listener discretion is advised.

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Previously, on off script, except ni ni ni ni condoms. What are my other nini options in contraception? I just want to know.

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Wanna do a condom in our time?

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If we want to talk about the periods here, let's not whisper it. Speak loudly.

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Coming up on this episode, McKenna hits the campus at Egerton University in Nakuru asking the hard questions. What's the worst joke that you've heard about a woman? We then tap and revisit raw moments from MTV Sugar Mashariki and Jen Free, where fiction hits close to home. And later, Mushina sits down with Marion, who unpacks how so-called harmless jokes shaped the way she saw herself. Let's get started.

SPEAKER_09 1:22

This is Mushina Malomba.

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And Makenaka. Welcome to OK. Hey, what she wambie. What happened? What is the most outrageous joke in your shekuskiam about a woman? It could be about her body, it could be about her personality or her job or anything. Let me tell you. Tons of people have a lot to say when it comes to women. Yeah. Hey, Mukona Mao ni you announce a loss for one. And what was really heartbreaking to me is that especially about when you're examples, even the boys, because I, as boys and girls, if the boys that walk in jebu, examples and yet they're just in their circles. You know, they're telling me things that they've had someone they know seek it to a mesoma kwa internet or anything. Okay. Meaning this abuse and this kind of bullying equal to always around. You don't have to go far to find it. We know someone who says such things. We have a friend or a classmate who says things, rude things, a lot of an as it disguised as ninja.

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Her own grandmother, how she is as a lady, and some we and you know, you it takes a toll on you as a teenager. Now that's the thing we're discussing about the cost of fun.

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It's a silly joke, but some joke. Absolutely. It's just we joke. Yeah. You got your laughs, but I'm taking that away with me. And you know, actually, nikwa TikTok the other day. Yeah. Um, I got like a very interesting thread. One of the girls, uh, alkota make a video kissema, eh, one women, kata mutua pakidogo, ilema to see a menisko.

SPEAKER_09 3:30

Usually so smart.

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Just because you're not going to be a good thing. And then let me tell you the thread up. They all had examples, and it was so heartbreaking. And then the worst part is you could see other guys come to the comments and laugh. Instead of learning from what these girls are saying and seeing the negative effects that it has on real people, like any cali. You know what to do?

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When you get to say something nasty to a lady or something nasty to your fellow guy, take accountability and say, that was wrong. Right? You know what? That was not really right. Be responsible for your action, right? And I would love to know, come on, anyone in the audience, I may say my something. You get to a point where like, that was wrong. It's a turn on. God damn it.

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Everyone's got a take. Let's see what the people have to say.

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What is the most outrageous joke? And you say scare money. I think the most outrageous joke in Chase, this girl, she's like, Akona kitambi. Yeah. And and someone was like, Ati, you need to. And I was like, don't we dishame?

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Like, I wonder I have something, she's considered a slash. Like anyone, many girls, o chambi wa kitu.

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Ali kwa ameva crop top, yeah, and the stomach was showing it was a bit bigger. Yeah. Yeah, so they were discriminating her. Like walikwa na mambia siva ingwe, nini takutua vizuri, ala kwa naambia, like ifani kun tuaneza kukatia.

SPEAKER_07 5:47

There's this thing unabataka. Bem, uh CD, kwa bagiyake. So nikama tu, akor ready for sex.

SPEAKER_10 5:55

Okay.

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Nastisi we men, to na kwanga nayo, uh-huh. But mindset for protection. Protection.

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You know, they say it is a joke, but I'm sure it gets to most of these women.

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Yeah.

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Uh, things like uh it is this time to be angry on.

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Oh, like if a guy is confident and on a cana nikama, and a jiffila kona maringo.

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Exactly.

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So that's the vibe qua ground. Now, check this out. Here is a moment from Sugar Masha Riki.

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Get the hell of my car.

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SPEAKER_09 8:18

I'm so happy to see you! Happy to see you too. So today the uh the conversation we are having is about the cost of fun, right? And you had mentioned a story earlier before, and I just wanted you to tell me what your story is.

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So, um, growing up around the adolescent age, yeah, I developed really fast. So I had bit breasts, but a tiny lower body. So um going to school, the boys will just laugh and joke around with me, telling me quite a matity cool here and there. And it never quite sat well with me. So from there I developed STEM issues. Getting to high school now, I came across this woman, my grandma. Yeah. And she said that I have big breasts because boys are touching, touching me. Oh, no. When I go to school, that really made me feel bad. It broke me because I was so innocent. I never even knew the concept of boys. What happened behind closed doors. I rancha babacha mama. I never knew anything else relating to sex. So from time developed a resentment towards her and anyone who com commented about my body. It took a lot because I went through high school with the STEAM issues, but later came to like work on myself and develop some sense of self and identity. It has seen me go through the steam and work on my issues.

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I did you even understand at that age? Because I'm thinking you're probably what, 13, 14, around that age? Did you even understand what your grandmother is telling you?

SPEAKER_10 9:52

No, I didn't understand because I went home and no complaint to my grandma, my maternal grandma and told her about it, and she was like, It's just something I'm a semester to. But even to the death of this other grandma, I was like, I've never forgiven her for what she said because it's so wrong to say something to a very young person who's just trying to develop and just understand how the world works.

SPEAKER_09 10:16

Yeah. I don't know about you, but I've always felt like for me, if somebody like a parent or a guardian gets to tell me something, ridicules me, tells me about my body or anything, it usually affects me more. If it's someone who is my fellow classmate, it will affect me, but I'll not really care. And if someone who has taken care of you, like it usually really hits home because you're like, you know, you now sort of like sort of think it's true. Yeah. Because they're the ones who have raised you. You start assuming, oh wait, maybe that is true. But then you know your own truth, right? How did you get to navigate just uh getting to find yourself and you know, from where you where you are right now, uh at what point did it get uh comfortable with you to be able to, you know, love yourself more?

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So uh I can say it started when I started interacting with people, people started complimenting about my skin tone, others will just compliment how I talk, my hair. So I started to discover, so I'm not bad. Being that we're in the 21st century and the MC and that we're influenced by technology, influenced by our sense of self, we have a stronger self-esteem, we know what we want, even though at times we're a bit shaky. So I think that's where I started discovering myself. So I started going to church. I going to church, I'll be told to maybe lead the praise and worship or something like that. Then coming to campus now, that's when I became a volunteer. So being a volunteer, you have to go to the community, talk to the community, and from there, some people will compliment you, they'll say some things about you, they'll talk about maybe how you've made them feel that particular day. And day by day I felt like I have a purpose and I actually have something in me, and that's when I actually started working on myself as a person. I also think that when it comes to having maybe body dysmorphia, at times it's totally genetic, but there are things you have to do for you to feel comfortable with how you.

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You know, so many times I've said uh sometimes I feel like I'm lucky because of how I was raised by by women. I was raised by really loving women, my grandmother and my mom, and they always told me how good I look and how oh baby baby. So you joke in your MBMs Juna Kasuragani. I really don't care because I'm loved at home. You know what I mean? You being young and an elder telling you, you know, oh, stream at this, all that is it difficult? And why do you feel like sometimes as a young person it's so difficult to call out elders?

SPEAKER_10 12:47

I think it's because at home it's where you expect to find a lot of love.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah.

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You expect the unconditional love where someone is just accepting you as you are, as you come. And now receiving the backlash from home, it hits so hard because again, you're supposed to respect this person, and at the same time, you want to maintain your peace.

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Yes.

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So for you to find that particular balance, it gets so hard. You find that when you're looking for that balance, you tend to clash for the side.

SPEAKER_09 13:15

That's true.

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Exactly. You forget yourself and you please your parents.

SPEAKER_09 13:18

That's true. And you've seen even in the world right now of social media where people get to be bashed online, and you know, people easily say, Oh, yeah, but it's quite joke. It's like it's taken lightly, but they don't know what is affecting you. Maybe even what your grandmother said, she was just saying it, she didn't care, right? But then at the end of the day, it came to affect you most part of your you know growing up. But they don't realize that, you know. And it's something that that that happens a lot even today, yeah? Thanks a lot for your story. It is nice meeting you.

SPEAKER_10 13:49

Thank you, Mushina.

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This is the off-script podcast.

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Hiya, back to the convo. If you have a preference, like for girls, even even if you're rejecting someone, to pick to ki reject to vila to naqua how we don't want that. Also, us when we are rejecting people, we can try to be kinder. Kindler, you know.

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But also what I've what I've gotten from him, yeah. I feel like so many boys try to act strong and uh pretend and they wanna be able to impress the boys, right? Like even about the drinking, I don't drink. And it has never gotten to a point where I feel like I need to fit in. For me, I feel like I am who I am. If you want to join my clique, you come on my table. If you don't, that's fine. I see so many boys who find it very hard to be able to admit that they messed up. So many boys don't do that. It's very hard to find someone to tell me.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

It's an ego thing. It's an ego thing, but we are all trying to heal, so please, ukiambo me ko sea kubali.

SPEAKER_09 14:51

I think it's very important if you take uh responsibility over the sex that you have done because I feel like you get to change, right? The fact that you recognize hey, whatever I did, maze. Yeah. You know me, I'm believer of change. I believe like I can be someone by there last last year. This is a new year.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Lunchtime is 6 p.m. Yeah, new. I learned something new. Yeah, and we can always learn. Everyone has a chance to learn something. Oh, yeah. What people are saying is making sense. And if you just hear the kind of um how hurtful things hurt people, I think Uki Kachini and you just introspect are capable, anyone is capable of changing. Absolutely. Yeah, send this podcast to anyone that you feel needs to listen to it, any group. Was kise wajifikiri.

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Yeah, so that we can make this world a better place for all of us to coexist and just be happy. Thank you so much. This is offscript. See you on the next one. Coming up next on Offscript. First of all, the boys waka proved. You're a man. You you should always be open to sex, whether it was by force or consensual. Unapa we take. Mimi to schedule two Saturdays and Sabatu shikana potuji to lead. It's heavy, it's heavy.

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