The Top 15 Matches in WrestleMania History

WHAT A RUSH!!!!  Welcome to the DJS podcast first foray into wrestling. In this podcast we breakdown the top 15 matches in WrestleMania history(according to us).There have been over 41 WrestleMania's so far, there are hundreds of hours to choose from. This is super subjective, we know how you wrestling fans are, this our opinion, you may not agree with the placements but we feel our lists are pretty solid. Feel free to reach out to djspodcastnetwork@gmail.com with any thoughts on the podcast, we hope you enjoy, and Welcome to Space Mountain. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

It's so hard for me to sit back here in this studio looking at a guy out here hollering my name. When last year I spent more money on spill liquor in buyers from one side of this world to the other than you made. You talking to the rolling winner, winning, just do that, we don't do that.

SPEAKER_05 0:46

I mean, if you're gonna start a wrestling pod off, you gotta start it with the goat. The man, the myth, the legend. You got it. Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the DJS Podcast, Top 15 WrestleMania matches in history, according to nobody but us. We got this list from the WWE and what they thought were the top 15, I think it was actually like their top 20. And uh we decided to modify it uh for our liking. I am your co-host, Big D. I am sitting here with my man, my homie, my guy, uh Top Turnbuckle. Big Nell, say what's up, Big Nell. What up, what up, everybody? Yeah, man. We we've been wanting to do this for for quite some time. Wrestling is a weird passion along with slot cars and Eagles football that we have bonded over.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Ain't that the truth.

SPEAKER_05 1:39

I ain't got the truth, right? Who'd have thought? Who'd have thought? Um, but we are children of the 80s, so that should not be a surprise to anyone. Gen X. You know what I'm saying? So that you know, we we grew up in the heyday of when wrestling was regional. I guess that's yeah, that'd be right. Yeah. Wrestling was regional, and then um as as we were growing up, it turned into the uh monster that it is now. So uh before we get started, uh on our other pot, we usually take a shot uh before the Eagles pod. But uh, you know, I I think alcohol and ro and wrestling go hand in hand, too, don't they? Absolutely, one hundred percent.

SPEAKER_04 2:20

Absolutely. So amongst other things.

SPEAKER_05 2:23

Yeah, you're right, amongst other things. So now I'm glad we're doing this.

SPEAKER_06 2:27

So am I. To wrestling. To wrestling. To our love of wrestling. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05 2:39

So yeah, man, without without any further ado, we're gonna get into it. So what we did is we went through uh their top 15 matches. Uh, we watched them all, and uh we decided to grade them on our own individual scales, uh 15 through one, starting with 15 uh two-one, and uh think about several different things when we watched them, how they made us feel, action. We put a lot of thought into this. And we think that uh we think that we we we both kind of have similar tastes in wrestling. There might be a few differences, but for the most part, our lists are probably look pretty much the same with some few glaring uh differences. So without further ado now, I want you to start. We're gonna go from 15 to 1. And uh what do you think is the number 15 match in WrestleMania history?

SPEAKER_02 3:45

In my on my list, I have number 15 as WrestleMania 21, which was the match that between Kurt Angle and Shawn Michaels.

SPEAKER_06 3:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:58

Um reason for that. I don't think they had great chemistry together. Like wrestlers, you know, wrestlers, and we're gonna get into it more about the chemistry part. And in that match, to me, I just didn't see that chemistry to make that match any better.

SPEAKER_05 4:22

Yeah, I agree. Um I had it a little higher on my list, but when I look at them, it is something about them that just doesn't really mesh. Uh the match was decent. It's definitely not in my top 10. But you're absolutely right. There was just something about when I was watching them, it it wasn't it wasn't fluid. And I think I know why. I think it's because, and we might as well put it out there now. Uh we talked about it earlier. One of the peoples in this match is Mr. WrestleMania. Yeah, absolutely. Shawn Michaels. Shawn Michaels. And he pretty much can sell and get anybody over in a lot of different, because he wrestled a lot of different people in a lot of these matches. Some of them we don't even have on our list. And he all managed to have really good matches with them. This is the one that kind of was like a it's the lowest Shawn Michaels match on my list.

SPEAKER_02 5:23

Absolutely. Mine as well. I mean, you know, hell, the man, I didn't realize this until we started doing this, but he was in 17 WrestleManias. It's crazy. Nuts. Um, and we've watched a lot of them. And you can tell the chemistry he had in some of the other ones that are on the list. I actually watched some other ones because I kind of like got zoned in and seen a couple other matches of his, and some of them aren't that much better than this one, but they are better. But he's the one. He gets the other wrestler and lifts them up. That's that's what that's kind of what I mean. And in this one, it just to me, it just didn't work. It didn't work for me. So that's why I have them as my lowest at rest at number 15.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_05 6:14

Well said. Uh I have it on my my list as well, but I don't I don't have it there. My number 15 match, uh it's funny. Uh, as I was doing some research for this, there are a lot of people who have this match really, really high. And for me, it just didn't do anything for me. And I don't want to sound sexist, but it was the Charlotte Failed Rhea Ripley match. It just I had that at my number 15. Uh I I know Charlotte is a good worker. I really like Rhea, but I I don't know. It was just something about the match that just didn't really do it for me. I ironically, this WrestleMania is let's see, 39. 39. Which had three of these matches uh on the list.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

On the list. Yeah. I have that one slightly higher. Yeah. Not in my top ten, but slightly higher.

SPEAKER_05 7:13

Yeah, I I I really like Rhea Ripley. I I I got, you know, as much as I love Rick Flair. I got the Charlotte Flair thing, and uh she she definitely made a name outside of being his daughter. But for this, for this particular match, it just didn't really do it for me. Good match. Some people think this, like I said, some people think this is like one of the greatest women matches ever. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

I think it's because one, I think if I remember right, that was Rhea's first heavy her first woman's heavyweight champion, first woman's championship belt. I could be wrong, but I think it was. But I have it slightly higher because one, obviously, you know, not being sexist, but the women nowadays in WWE do the same shit that the men do, which is astonishing.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

And when Rhea gave Charlotte the riptide off the second belt, off the second rope, I was like, holy shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:10

I I I mean, if I'm being honest, I think I think Rhea kind of carried the match, if you ask me. Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, that was that's my my number 14. Uh, I won't belabor the point. I mean, my number 15, I won't belabor the point. So moving to number 14, what you got in number 14?

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Number 14, I have WrestleMania 17, the triple threat tag team match between Edge and Christian, the Dudley Boys, and the Hardeys.

SPEAKER_05 8:39

Woo. You got to explain. I ain't gonna tell you where I got that on my list, but I'm gonna let you explain.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Oh, I'm sure you got that one up high. Go ahead. Um, I mean, all six of them are crazy. I mean, for the stuff that they do, the stuff that they did before they got into wrestling, like the Hardy Boys, Edge Christian, when they were little kids, the Dudley boys, that just, you know, alone in itself says no more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:07

Um they're just nuts. But they beat the hell out of each other.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

They, you know, obviously you had the tables and the ladders. I mean, the uh yeah, ladders and the tables. But I don't know, just compared to the other matches, I just it was tough. And trust me, I don't have them by by much as far as that low. Like the points you ranked.

SPEAKER_06 9:36

Yeah, so the way I ranked them from 10 down to 15, it was all close.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

It just Hey, you don't have to pin this.

SPEAKER_05 9:50

That's that's just where I had the photo. I had the photo, man. You know what I mean? I'm sure that someone's I'm gonna be I'm I'm gonna say you'll be like, oh, but hey, that's your list. Uh I won't comment on that until I I I I talk about the match. Um but uh my number 14 match I had was uh Edge and Foley.

SPEAKER_06 10:12

Now that's 22.

SPEAKER_05 10:15

Yeah, that's WrestleMania 20. I'm sorry, WrestleMania 22, uh Edge and Foley. Now, I had this match low. Right?

SPEAKER_02 10:27

I had that one quite a bit higher.

SPEAKER_05 10:28

I'm sure you did. Right? I'ma I'm gonna tell you, you'll talk about it when you get to yours, but I'll tell you why I had it low. Right. I had it low on this list because I still think and I I watched all these, I watched a bunch of different ones, a bunch of other ones. I still think the greatest match, period, is Foley Undertaker. Oh. I think it's the greatest wrestling match, period. Which isn't on the list. Which isn't on the list because it's not a WrestleMania match. Yeah, correct. So to me, that is the uh I think it was Hell in a Cell or Yeah, because that's when Foley jumped off the top of the cell and his tooth came out his bottom or stuck in his nose. It was to me, it was the it's it's still to me the greatest wrestling match I've ever seen. And because of that, it's unfair that I measure everything else that he does to that. So when I think about this, I'm like, well, this ain't this ain't Foley Undertaker, so I know what Foley can do. I I never was really a huge edge fan. So the match was good. Um I had it in the I ranked everything uh in a from basically from like three to five. I have it in the mid-threes. Not a terrible match by any stretch of the imagination, but just didn't really do it for me. Good match, but just didn't really do it. I get it. I yeah. Um moving on. Number 13.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

What you got for number 13? Number 13, WrestleMania 39 was a Sami Zayn's, Kevin Owens versus the Uzo Usos uh tag team for the tag team belt.

SPEAKER_06 12:22

Full disclosure, watched that last night. So tell me what you thought. It was a good match between them.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

Um actually exceptional match between them. Um you you never knew, like there was so many times where you like you thought it was gonna be over, and then it wasn't over. Um one thing I did like about it was that there wasn't any outside interference. Which normally is hand in hand with the Usos. Um they they they they're just crazy the shit that they did in that match. But again, I have every a lot of my my uh the way I ranked everything was really close. Yeah. And that's just that's just where the ball landed for them for me.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

I got you.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

You know, I I I most certainly got you. But I couldn't rank it any higher.

SPEAKER_05 13:27

Okay. This is the first one we got on the same page here. I have it in the same spot. Uh and I have it in the same spot for a different reason.

SPEAKER_06 13:39

Um I also have it at number 13. There was I I had it higher.

SPEAKER_05 13:48

Actually, you know what? I had it higher earlier today. Oh man. Yeah. Because if you remember in the match, there was a whole lot of there was a whole lot of kicking in that match. There was a whole lot of feet to the chin in that match.

SPEAKER_02 14:06

A lot of, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

And you couldn't fake it. I don't think there was any way you could fake that. Like, I know, I know they play with sound a lot in the WWE, but I don't think they could fake some of those kicks, man. Them shits looked like they was right on the button. They was right there. You heard the sound. That was part of the allure of the match. There was a little bit too much of that. The power bomb through the table was crazy. Oh, by Kevin, yeah. That was crazy. I'm gonna tell you why I have it so low. You probably didn't notice it, but watch it again.

SPEAKER_02 14:44

They talked during the whole match. They did talk a lot. There's a lot, especially with Jimmy ver Jimmy Uso talking on Sami Zayn. Not like that. That's not what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_05 14:55

Okay, what enlighten me. You watch in the corner, there's a lot of hand holding throughout the entire match. It's almost like they didn't know what they were gonna do until watch it again, and you'll see.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

I'm gonna have to watch it again because I didn't notice that.

SPEAKER_05 15:13

I noticed it the first time I watched it.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

All the wrestlers do that, but it's not supposed to be noticeable.

SPEAKER_05 15:17

They hide it a lot. Yeah. They didn't hide it. They hide it, they hit it terrible, especially Usos. They were talking the they were talking in the entire time. And you could like see it. And when I when I noticed it, I was like, ah man, you guys aren't really doing what you're supposed to be doing. You're not you're not doing the K Fabe thing. Like we're not supposed to know you guys know that you are doing this.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:40

And I could tell. So that's why I dropped it. I had it like I had it in the top 10, but I dropped it lower because I don't want to see you talking.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Yeah. I'm gonna have to rewatch that again.

SPEAKER_05 15:48

Yeah. You mo you watch matches, a lot of matches that are higher than this, you ain't seen none of that shit. No. You know what I mean? So I also have it at at number uh 13 as well.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Um The other thing I noticed in that match was I don't I don't I didn't remember see a lot, like you said, there was a lot of, you know, kick into the face, especially by the Usos. Yeah. But I didn't notice them do the one of their signature moves. Um drawing a blank. Kind of like uh the Dolly boys with the 1D.

SPEAKER_06 16:23

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

Where they pick them up, they come down. Yeah. I didn't see them do that on either Kevin Owens or Sami Zayn the whole match. I think they did. Did they? Yeah, they did it. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 16:32

Yeah, it was almost towards the end they did it.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

All right, I must have missed it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:36

Uh it didn't affect the match because he kicked out five times. Yeah, yeah. There was a lot, a lot of kickouts in that match. A lot of kickouts in that match, yeah. So that's why I had it there.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

So number 12. Okay, number 12 for me is WrestleMania 10.

SPEAKER_06 16:52

Shawn Michaels versus Roman Reigns. Um, that was Michael's first WrestleMania. Was it really?

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Yep. And that's what got me. Um I'm sorry. I'm sorry, not Roman Reigns. That was his first WrestleMania. Um, so you could tell looking back now out of all his his last WrestleMania, you could tell a difference being a first one. Um you could tell there wasn't any uh continuity, cohesiveness in that match. Um one thing I was I was disappointed was that there was no razor's edge in that match.

SPEAKER_06 17:38

Um and it just didn't do it for me. I couldn't justify making it making it higher.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Right. Um it was actually really close to being lower.

SPEAKER_05 17:53

Yeah. Um I'm gonna piggyback on you. We got two in a row. Same thing, bro. So I that match did absolutely we watched it together. That match did absolutely nothing for me. I looked at my phone five times during that match. So did I. I it just didn't really do it for me. I was like, okay, I get it. You could tell it was young Shawn Michaels, but just I I just didn't really get it. So um clearly he got a lot better. Oh. Uh I'm sure that will be reflected later on on our list, but clearly he got a lot better. But I almost think that was that was probably a year or two before Braza Ramon wasn't even there anymore.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

Think he had went on Yeah, he might have lasted like maybe two, two years. Maybe three more years after that. Yeah. And then he and then they didn't do it, resigned his contract. He was a WCW, right? Was he in the NWO? He was uh yes, he was he went WCW. But he started WCW.

SPEAKER_05 18:55

Right, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Then he went WWF, then Lotta won back to WCW. Yeah. So yeah, I got the same match uh again. So moving up the list, what you got next? Okay, my next one is back to WrestleMania 10. Owens versus Bret Hart. Owen. Owen Hart versus Bret Hart. You had that at number what, 11? I had that uh or number 12. Eleven, number 11. 11?

SPEAKER_06 19:22

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 19:23

Um Brothers. It was very technical that match.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

Um if it was later on in their career, I think there would have been more high flying, crazy stuff done, but it just didn't do it for me.

SPEAKER_06 19:47

Another one that just it was a good match. Maybe a little bit better than average to me. But it was just too much, too technical for me. We are three for three, my man.

SPEAKER_05 20:03

Another match that was I mean, I'll be honest with you. If it wasn't for the fact that I like Bret Hart so much, I don't even know this would have been on the list for me, bro. I just wanted to have Brett Bret Hart on here. I know he's on here again, but this match ain't do it for me at all. It felt like I was watching high school wrestling, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Yeah, I could tell you I've seen a lot of other WrestleMania matches that by far are better than this one.

SPEAKER_05 20:31

Yeah, I don't again. I don't know who voted on these. I don't know. Um we could probably do this again with like 15 other matches, probably.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Um, but you'd have to retire.

unknown 20:43

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

And we'd have to probably like go away so we're not bothered so we can watch every WrestleMania and watch every match in WrestleMania. Yeah, right. Uh in order to come up with a better list.

SPEAKER_05 20:54

Can we start at 10 though? Because I think after 10 we're good because I don't want to see I don't want to see Hogan Leg drops, no, no, no, Piper's pit.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:03

Um But yeah, I have it in the same spot. Just a lot of on the floor, spin, on the floor spin.

SPEAKER_02 21:11

Yeah. One thing it just this WrestleMania did show was how freaking physically fit the two of them were. Because they did go non-stop the entire match right from the beginning. Yeah. Like a lot of times you'll get that wrestler that goes out of the ring and just the other wrestlers in the ring waiting for them to come back. This one, whenever one went out, the other one right out after them. Yeah. And they were nonstop the whole match. I will give them that.

SPEAKER_05 21:35

Yeah, they they they were definitely in tremendous shape.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Yeah. Um but agreed.

SPEAKER_05 21:40

That's where we're at. All right. So we're we're moving up the list. We're at uh we're at number 10.

SPEAKER_06 21:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

So my number 10 uh is from WrestleMania 39. McIntyre, Seamus, and Gunther, the ring general.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Okay. All right. I have a little bit higher on my list, but yeah. Got gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Um.

SPEAKER_05 22:05

Another match from 39.

SPEAKER_02 22:08

A very good match. Very, very good match. They literally beat the shit out of me. Let me rephrase it. Slapped the shit out of me.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

Seamus, who's about as white as Casper. You could tell, you know, not even five minutes into the match, his chest was just beat red blood from being slapped. Um, you know, McIntyre, who I don't know if it's a spray on his hand or what, and his hairy chest. Could be. He was still beat red. Um, you know, these guys, they just they just went not at us. The amount I I'd have died from the amount of slaps on the chest. They'd have probably collapsed my chest. Yeah. Um, but the one the reason why I had it so low was because towards the end of the match, I want to say it seemed like forever, but at least three three minutes before the match ended, Gunther wasn't in the ring. Oh, yeah. Three to four minutes. Yeah, but you mentioned that what we were watching. It was Seamus and McIntyre beating the hell out of each other. And actually, I when we were watching it, I remember saying, Oh, here we go. This is gonna happen. Guther's gonna run it, gonna run it out of out of nowhere and get the pin. And sure enough, that's exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_05 23:30

Yeah, it was a little predictable.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

So, I mean, and this match and the um number 10 with the Owen Hart and Bret Hart, they were like right there in my scoring. They were actually even in my scoring. Really? Yeah. The reason why I have this one more is because just the way they just slap the living shit out of each other.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

I gotcha. Yeah, I I I get that.

SPEAKER_02 23:58

Um So I guess this ends our little streak, huh?

SPEAKER_05 24:01

This ends our streak. Uh we're at number 10, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:05

Um Yeah, I had I had Kurt Engel and Shawn Michaels at 10. Um another another ground and pound kind of match. Uh Michaels was a couple of years older at this point. Yeah. Uh gotten better. He still wasn't the guy that we saw later on. So what's this?

SPEAKER_02 24:28

This is WrestleMania 21. 21, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:33

This is WrestleMania 22.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Yeah, they were my 15. They were my 15. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:38

Um yeah, I guess again, we're we're not too far off. I mean, you're splitting hairs with with these, uh, other than when we're real far off. But other than that, like we're we're splitting hairs with it. I I I I was never, I never was a fan of Kerangle. I mean, I got that he was Olympic champion and all that. I think they sold that a little too much.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

They did. I actually started liking him when the fans started chanting, You suck. Really? You suck. Oh yeah. I it got it got to the point where he would come out and the fans, the entire no matter where they went, with his theme song, they were in in sync with the song with his entrance music. You suck. You suck. Oh, really? And then later on, um, I guess he went from being a heel to a good guy. The fans still did it, but he embraced it.

SPEAKER_05 25:34

Oh, okay. Okay, I got you. I got you. So Yeah. I I would have been one of those chanting You Suck. I was never a good big end of Kurt Engel. Just wasn't my guy.

unknown 25:44

All right.

SPEAKER_05 25:45

So yeah. Yeah. Moving up the list. Um So we're at number nine. Yeah, we're at number nine. Number nine.

SPEAKER_06 25:52

Who do you got the nine spot?

SPEAKER_02 25:55

I have WrestleMania 28, Undertaker versus Triple H.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Yeah, I don't know how high you have them. Spoiler alert, but I got it in the same spot, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_06 26:12

Okay. Um it just the chemistry wasn't there.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

To me, the chemistry wasn't there for the two of them. Like I've seen Undertaker in a lot of matches, especially during WrestleMania. Um and you can see the chemistry with a lot of the people he wrestled with, especially Mick Foley, um, Cactus Jack, Mankind, whatever the hell you want to call him. Right. Um with that one, they just weren't in sync. There was quite a few times where they were supposed to do certain moves, and you could see where they didn't it didn't flow smoothly. So that's why I have them at number nine.

SPEAKER_05 26:58

Yeah, and I think you have you you have it at we have it in the same spot, but you're saying the same thing I'm saying about McFoley. You're saying that because you know what Undertaker is capable of. So that match when you see him with Triple H, it's like, okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

What's going on here?

SPEAKER_05 27:22

Yeah. Yeah, what's going on here? I I didn't I didn't like I didn't really get it. Yeah. Yep. You know, so I have it at the same spot. Good match. Obviously, got in the top ten, so it was a good match. Um, but a lot of that is because of Taker, honestly. It's not because of Triple H.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Yeah. Triple H became a hell of a lot better later on. He was still young in that match. Was he really WrestleMania? Yeah, that was WrestleMania uh 28. 28. Okay, yeah. So that was So he was he was he was still I mean he's been around. He was around, but probably around the third. He was he wasn't the game. Right. He changed when he became the game. Right, yeah. Uh I agree with you. I agree with you on that. So in that match, I think he saw China with him. Yeah. She came out with him. Right. But uh yeah, it just, you know, just one of those matches is like, ugh, it's a good match, but you know, I think Undertaker made it made it what it was.

SPEAKER_05 28:23

Couldn't agree more. Could not agree more. Uh so where are we at now? We're at number nine.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

Number nine? You said you had the same one, right?

SPEAKER_05 28:31

Yeah, I have the same one.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

Okay, so we're at number eight. So for me.

SPEAKER_05 28:35

Wait a minute. We're at number eight or number nine?

SPEAKER_02 28:37

Number eight. We're at number eight, okay. Number eight is next. Um, so I have WrestleMania 22 Edge Vols Edge versus Foley.

SPEAKER_06 28:47

Oh, okay. All right. Now, between this match and five on my score the way I scored them, they were within six points away from being number five on my on my list. It's pretty close. So um they're just both crazy.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Yeah. I mean, this was the barbed wire thumb tack. Thumb tax. Yeah. You know, going through tables.

SPEAKER_05 29:24

And I get it. But when I see that, I want to see that with The Undertaker.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

That's just me. You know what I mean? But I get it. But see, these two, what these two, and it could have won a it could have been, it could have been number five. But these two are probably at that time one of the top hardcore wrestlers that they had in WWE.

SPEAKER_03 29:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

That weren't afraid of, you know, having a barb getting hit with a barbed wire bat, wrapped bat, or slammed onto a bunch of well, we saw Ed Edge got slammed onto the thumbtacks, or he missed Foley, he landed on the thumbtacks, and when he got up, he had all the thumbtacks on his back.

SPEAKER_04 30:02

You know what?

SPEAKER_05 30:02

And not to cut you off, but I will give you credit, because I didn't know he had that in him. Edge, I'm talking about. I knew Foley could do that.

SPEAKER_04 30:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:08

But I didn't know that Edge had that in him. Like when I saw that, I was like, oh, okay, you you selling this. Okay, Edge. You know what I mean? I I thought he was with, you know, was just uh who are you who he used to be with? Christian. Christian. Yeah. I thought he was just the guy that was with him all the time. But then I if I recall, like, they tried to make him into something bigger.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:29

It just didn't work.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

No. No. Yeah. The other thing I didn't like was uh I don't like was when certain people get like other people get into certain matches. This match, Lita was Edge's girlfriend, um, and she got involved in the match. Right. I think if they didn't have for me, if they didn't have Lita get involved in the match, it would have gone higher. Because I don't think they needed her to get involved.

SPEAKER_05 30:54

I got you.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 30:55

I agree. Um not one of, you know, not one of Foley's best matches, but it was it was good. Like I said, I had it at 14, but that's only because the bar my bar for grading him is so high. So my number eight, uh, and this I I had it tied to eight, nine. I basically had them with the same score. Um, but my number eight was uh Stone Cold Narra. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Now that is WrestleMania 17.

SPEAKER_05 31:32

That is WrestleMania 17.

SPEAKER_02 31:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 31:35

They they are both they're both kind of at their height, you know, and I they're two of my favorite wrestlers. I you know, I got them on my mouth rushmore. So they're two of my favorite wrestlers. Um it was to me, it was more about it was more about what was going on with them at the time than in the actual wrestling. I had them quite a bit higher. I figured you probably did. Uh but for me, in regards, and again, I I think this goes back to we talked about it earlier. Like there are certain people who like certain kinds of matches, and this match was good, don't get me wrong. But for the ones I have ahead of it, just didn't really uh again, habit as a 4.0. Like I scale, I put them on a scale of five. So it's it's a really, really good match, an entertaining match. I had them above four point oh. Okay. Well, I'm sure I'll hear. But uh, yeah. So when it when it when it's time to come to you, you you tell me what you thought about the match. But uh yeah, that's that's what I had at number eight. Um we're gonna move to number seven, which is uh number seven on Ubisoft.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

I got WrestleMania Twenti, Triple H, Chris Benoit, and Shawn Michaels.

SPEAKER_06 32:53

Okay. Um the triple threat matches to me, depending on who's in them, obviously makes a match.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

This one I think they could have had somebody other than Chris Benoit. Like Triple H and Shawn Michaels were best friends.

SPEAKER_06 33:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:21

And then they ended up at this point where you know they had beef with each other, which put them in the match. I just it it didn't sell me. No. No, no, it didn't. It's pretty high though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For like I said, between nine and five, actually nine and four.

SPEAKER_06 33:43

Or I'm sorry, eight and four.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Actually eight and yeah, eight and four, seven points away on my grading sc grading score. That's how close everybody was.

SPEAKER_05 33:55

Yeah, I mean these are all really good. I mean, once you get in the top ten, these are all really good matches. It's it sounds like we're splitting hairs here, but when you pick them, you gotta kind of split hairs.

SPEAKER_06 34:05

Uh yeah, but I I just very good match. Just that's where they landed. Same. I have that number seven as well.

SPEAKER_05 34:19

Yeah. Um I I think part of it for me is that how can I put this?

SPEAKER_06 34:28

It's really hard to pull off a triple threat match. To to to pull off a triple threat match, there has to be equal amounts of action.

SPEAKER_05 34:43

And because inevitably somebody's gonna get left out somewhere. And you just can't have three guys beating on each other. There has to be some kind of like rhythm to it. And to me, this didn't really have the rhythm to it that another one of the triple three matches I have on my list has. But I also agree, no need for Benoit. Like, he doesn't belong in that kind of match. No. He's a, you know, one-on-one kind of guy. Um you know.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

Yeah, I I even for I don't I forget what led up for him to him to actually end up being in the match.

SPEAKER_05 35:27

Um Yeah, I just I just as I was watching it, I just was like, you guys could have just did this without him. Honestly. You could have just had Triple H and Shawn Michaels. Uh he was in the match, don't get me wrong, but eh, just didn't really do it for me. Where are we at? We are at number six. We are number six. Uh this is gonna be different, so what do you got at number six?

SPEAKER_02 35:52

So I my number six was I believe your number 13. Oh. WrestleMania 39, Rhea Ripley versus Charlotte Flair. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 36:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:03

Tell me, tell me on it. Up on number six. And to me, it's arguably the best woman's match in WrestleMania.

SPEAKER_05 36:13

I I I'd say not to cut you off, but before you finish, I looked at a bunch of different stuff online the past few days, and almost unanimously people say that.

SPEAKER_06 36:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 36:22

So continue.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

Yeah. Um they just, you know, they just went at it against each other. To me, you know, they they showed no fear. Uh I mentioned earlier when you were when you uh had them on your list, uh Rhea Ripley giving Charlotte Flair the rip tide off the second rope. Um She's so athletic, bro. She could have done it off the third rope, I think, but obviously, uh in my opinion, behind stage like, no, no, no, no, no, go off the second rope. Um, she's so strong.

SPEAKER_06 36:52

No, that's what happened. Yeah. Um the two of them, to me, put on a hell of a woman's match.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

And at that time, you know, 39, there was a lot of good women's matches. I mean, women are already, you know, main event, Monday Night Raw, and Friday Night SmackDown. Yeah. Um, you know, there were a lot of women in WrestleMania, a lot of women matches. But that match to me was arguably the best women's match. And again, Rhea Rippe was there was she was going for Charlotte Flair's belt. That she was. Um So that's why I have them at number six. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:34

Again, I obviously I had it uh at number 15 on my list. No knock to them. Just it just didn't really do it for me. I I I love to this day, I think Rhea Ripney is one of the best, not even women's wrestlers. I think she's one of the best wrestlers, I think. She can go. And uh That match, I think it did set a precedent for women's wrestlers. She's sexy.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

Yeah, she's even with all the tattoos. Rhea Ripley's sexy.

SPEAKER_05 38:02

Yeah. And she's strong, which makes it even more sexy. Yep. But yeah, um, that that's that's most certainly uh one of the best women's matches ever. And uh yeah, you had her at number six. I had at my number six, I had something that you had a lot lower. I don't know if it was a lot lower. I had the Drew McIntyre, Gunther and Sheamus match at my number six. Uh again, it's hard to pull out triple threat matches. Everybody has to be involved at some point. And for me, I think the theme of a lot of my my my the matches that I liked, I think the theme might, I don't know if this said something about me or not, but a lot of them might have to do with brutality. Because the way that they was just again, you can't fake those snaps.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

Those snaps were no. You heard them. Yeah. Like they it wasn't like a lot of times, so back to what we were talking about, you know, what they like the Usos, they kick your their opponent in the face. Yeah. I don't know if you noticed, but right, they have a time where they slap their thigh.

SPEAKER_06 39:14

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 39:15

So that's where you get that loud slapping noise from. Right. Um, those slaps on the chest, uh-uh. Can't fake them. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_05 39:25

No.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

You just like you can't fake getting power bomb from the top rope.

SPEAKER_05 39:28

Nope. Can't fake them. That's just something that you gotta work on when they when they in the factory, when they're doing the work, it's just something you gotta work on. Hey, look, man, slap you like 15 times a night. You know, hope you're ready for it. You know. That's one of the things about the uh I forgot to mention it when we talked about the Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, and the Usos match. Is that the way Sami Zayn sold the debt match, he's he he sold that he was just getting beat to sh. I mean, he's in the corner, he's just low down. He's just and that's something we don't talk about a lot. Like, we talk about the physics, we talk about although we do talk about like all these matches have to have, you know, action, crowd, announcers. Announcers. Like a lot of that has to do with the matches. With the matches, and why we like the matches. And in that match, I think I got caught up in, again, WrestleMania 39. The crowd was insane. The the the the venue was was was beautiful. The announcers were great. I think there's a reason why 39 is on this match on this three times. Three times. Yeah. I think it was just a really good WrestleMania. And as I watched it. I can agree to that. And as I watched it, I'm with you. I would even probably have it higher if it wasn't for the Gunther thing. Like, you knew I'm gonna let these dudes beat the shit out of each other, and then I'm gonna come in and do what I gotta do. Again, it that's why it's so hard to have a triple threat match. I don't care who you are, it's it's it's hard. So yeah. Moving up our list. Uh number five.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

Who you got, number five? Number five, I have WrestleMania 25. Undertaker versus Shawn Michaels. Yeah, we talk, we're talking top five matches here. These are the top five matches.

SPEAKER_06 41:32

So from my five to my number two, it's only six on my gradings at six points away. Let me see on my from my five.

SPEAKER_05 41:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

That's uh pretty close they were.

SPEAKER_05 41:52

From my five to my number one, my five is four point two, and my number one is four point eight. So yeah, six points.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Wow. My five is four point six nine, my number two is four point seven five. So everybody else is like tight. Like it just got I had to change my grading system all around. Yeah, yeah. Um, but so that's my five, 25, Taker versus Michaels. Uh, you could see they had the chemistry.

SPEAKER_06 42:22

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Um, you know, how in sync they were during that match. Uh, you know, you brought this up with the um Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Uso's match, how they were talking to each other, okay. I'm gonna do this next. You didn't see none of that at all. Seamless. And if you did, it was yeah. I mean, they were like they were like a well-wored machine, them two. Um, and that comes with, you know, the experience that they have. Um, they had already wrestled each other. That they did. Um, the crowd during that match was insane. I can't remember who the announcer was. Um I want to say in 25 it was Jim Ross.

SPEAKER_05 43:09

I think it was.

SPEAKER_02 43:10

Um, which, in my opinion, best, greatest wrestling announcer ever in the history of WWE.

SPEAKER_05 43:17

I don't think, uh, for at least for me, I don't think there's any doubt.

SPEAKER_02 43:19

Yeah. Um, and there, you know, yeah, Vince McMahon, you have Jerry DeKing Lawler, you have Michael Cole now, and all the schmucks now. I'm not really fond of a lot of them now. Um, you know, Jim Ross, he's he's the goat wrestling announcers.

SPEAKER_05 43:36

I'm gonna tell you why he is. We we know beat me to the butts. No, you tell me why he is.

SPEAKER_02 43:44

In my opinion, he knew how to sell the crowd the matches to the crowd, how to sell the moves.

SPEAKER_06 43:53

Um and it's like when Undertaker

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Powerbomb Shawn Michaels. Gave him the last ride. Right. Jim Roy, he just motivated it. He made it that move that much better.

SPEAKER_05 44:12

Couldn't agree more. Um and I'll do you uh one better. Because you're absolutely right. That's the reason why he's the GOAT. And if you've ever seen if you've ever seen um what's my guy who used to play for the Dodgers. Uh there's Kirk Gibson's home run.

SPEAKER_02 44:39

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:40

When he's limping around the bases.

SPEAKER_06 44:43

Right. The home run was great.

SPEAKER_05 44:49

But Costas sold the home run. Right? One of the things, I don't even know how we got onto this. One of the things that I hated, and one of the most iconic Philly sports moments ever, is Matt Stair's home run. Right? One of the most iconic home runs in Philadelphia sports history when they beat the Dodgers on their way to the groceries in OE. Right. Joe Buck makes the call. Stairs. Deep into the night. Home run. Now as Imagine if that was Harry Callis. Right. So that's my point with Jim Ross. Jim Ross made you think that this was real. He sold it like it was real. And he was no different than Joe Buck, Bob Costas, like Mike Tarico. He was no different than those guys. It just so happens that he was talking about wrestling. So I agree. And that has a lot to do with matches with these matches, yeah. So we did we did have to mention that. So who's your number five? My number five is a match that I recently just saw and didn't think I was even gonna have it this high when I saw the list. But when I watched it, I was like, oh wow. This shit is good. And that's uh Bret Hart and Stone Cold. It was the first time I'd ever seen that match when we watched it the other day. Which match, which WrestleMania was that on the kennel? That's uh WrestleMania 13. Bret Hart and Stone Cold. Uh when I I wasn't really watching wrestling a lot then. And they because I never I never really thought that Stone Cold was like that great of a wrestler. I thought he was like 65 to 75% mouthwork balls and 25% the rest.

unknown 46:50

Dead.

SPEAKER_05 46:52

But when I watched that match, you realized you were wrong. I was wrong. Yeah, he he worked in that match. And even the whole think, you know, passing out, I was like, shit was believable. Mm-hmm. He sold it.

SPEAKER_02 47:07

And that because he's stone cold, and he said, and I remember watching before he goes, it'll be a cold day in hell before I say I quit. Right. And that was an I quit match.

SPEAKER_04 47:21

It was a submission match.

SPEAKER_05 47:22

Yeah. And he didn't. And then the way that the way that Brett Hart just left him there and just like looked at him and walked out the ring, I was like, oh yeah, they got this shit up.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

This guy's his face. Well, the other thing that sold it was his entire face was just full of blood. When he was, you know, when he was in that when Brett had, and not to mention Brett put him in the in the figure four. Put him in the sharpshooter numerous times.

SPEAKER_03 47:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:52

Um and just that I can still see him sitting there screaming, you know, in his face, you know, blood going down his teeth and his mouth.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

Yeah. Yeah. When I watched that match, I was like, yeah, this is I I got them higher. I'm sure you're pretty sure you did. Um well, since we're moving up, uh you're number four. Well you got number four. Four.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

Now I know you have them higher than this. I probably do. I have WrestleMania 40. Which I won't be surprised if they're your number one. We'll see. Uh, because that's the one that we went to. That is the one we went to. And I listen, I had a hard time because that one between that one and number one, it was close. Um, but again, it's the grading system. It is what it is. We're splitting here is the top five, bro. We are. We uh we went to that WrestleMania in Philly at the link. Uh it was just nothing like it, man. Nothing. It was crazy. Watching all the nuttier people than us. Nothing like that. It was 40 degrees, and I I couldn't even tell you I was cold. Yeah, exactly. Um, but I had them at number four. Great match. Um, you know, you kind of knew who was gonna win though. At this point, Roman already had the he was already champion for over four years. Um me, I from watching Monday Night Raw and Friday Night SmackDown, pretty much religiously, I knew that Cody was gonna win.

SPEAKER_06 49:35

Um it was a great match between the two of them. Uh you know, they all the different people that got involved in that match.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

Yeah. It was insane. Yeah. You had the Rock, you had the Usos, you had um who was it that came in Cody Rose's defense? I forget who it was. The SHIELD. Well, my guy from The Shield, what was his name? Oh, oh, Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins, yeah. Yes. Um it was nuts, man. Nuts. Unbelievable. But I I it was tough for me to put them at number four, not a little bit higher. Hey. Especially being there.

SPEAKER_03 50:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:21

Uh never thought I'd ever go to a WrestleMania. Shout out to my boy D. We were supposed to go to the Eagles Kansas City game in Kansas City that year.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

I think we made the bright choice.

SPEAKER_05 50:33

Absolutely the right choice. Yeah. Um, yeah, I I don't have that at my number four. Um my number four I have is uh Shawn Michaels Undertaker at WrestleMania 26. That's what I have. That's my number four. Wow. Yeah. Um, you can't go wrong with these guys. They have amazing chemistry. Um, they wrestled in back-to-back WrestleMania's for a reason because people wanted to see it again. And I'm sure the people at WWE was like, we want to see it again. So that was, you know, that was one of the better matches uh that I saw. There's not a list, you there's not a list you go on where this match is in the top five uh list.

SPEAKER_02 51:20

I I agree.

SPEAKER_05 51:20

Yeah, it's it's almost unanimous that people love the watching them together, which is weird, and I'll tell you why. It's weird because it's so hard for someone that is 6'8 to wrestle somebody that's like 5'10 and make it come off like the giant just isn't beating the shit out of the little guy. You never felt that in that match. In any of the matches that they have, because there's another one on here as well. None of the matches that they have, you feel like, oh shit, like he's just gonna run over him. Nah. Nah. Not with Shawn Michaels. Again, and for most people who don't know, unanimously, for whatever reason, for whatever he did when he was younger, most wrestlers hate Shawn Michaels.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

And there was there was they all had a legitimate reason. They had legitimate reasons. Um, why, you know, a lot of the look, even Undertaker said it. He couldn't stand Shawn Michaels.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

He came out publicly and said it. Shawn Michaels was in a dark place back then. And if it wasn't for Triple H, who, you know, obviously, you know, they were best friends on rest, but they were best friends from real life.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

Right.

SPEAKER_02 52:34

Triple H was the one, and Shawn Michaels was I've seen him say this on uh on uh certain shows um that if it wasn't for Triple H, he would have never made it in the in the business. He would have gotten fired.

SPEAKER_06 52:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

That's how bad he was. I mean, he had drug alcohol issues. Um he was you know over-arrogant, over-cocky, and he rubbed a lot of wrestlers the wrong way.

SPEAKER_05 53:00

Huh. I don't know if you remember or not, but um, you remember when I was watching uh I was watching Young Rock, and they were they were in uh an arena and they were talking, and then they were talking about somebody, and then Rock was like, Yeah, I'm not even gonna give this guy the light of day. I'm like, this is a this is a sitcom, bro. What are you talking about? And I text you. You text me about it. And I was like, who could they be talking about? You knew it right away. It was like Shawn Michaels. Yep. You knew right away. Yeah. I was like, damn, he went out of his way on his on a kid show to say, yeah, I don't fuck with this guy.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Yeah, but you know, great wrestler though. Yeah. I mean, look, The Rock is part owner of WWE. Shawn Michaels is one of the execs for WWE.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

Yeah. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:47

So yeah, that is uh that's my number four.

SPEAKER_05 53:51

Um Wow. We we're down to the top three, bro. Uh what do you what do you got at your number three spot?

SPEAKER_02 53:59

For my number three, I have WrestleMania 13. Stone Cold versus Bret Hart. Yeah. I mean, I think we already talked about it when you when you brought them up because you had them a little bit lower.

SPEAKER_03 54:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

Um, no disqualification match. They both beat the living shit out of each other. That they did. Um you know, and just Stone Cold, all bloodied up, you know, not quitting, and then just all of a sudden just blop passing out. He sold it. Like, I don't know how painful that move is, and you know, losing all that blood, if it was real blood or not. I think it was. I think it was back then it was real blood, because you can see kind of like if you look at Stone Cold now, you see a scar on his forehead on the top of his head. Yeah, I think he poked us up. Um, but that was a lot of blood. And like you said, you know, Bret Hart dropped his legs, got up, and just walked out and looked at him like, huh? Yeah. So that's who I have as my number three. Yeah. Uh ooh.

SPEAKER_05 55:13

Yeah, so my number three, I had a whole hell of a lot higher than yours. Was the Dudley Boys, the Hardy Boys, the Edging Christian. WrestleMania 17.

SPEAKER_04 55:25

Oh, wow. You didn't mention it. Wow. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 55:28

Yeah, I had it way higher than yours. Yeah, I had them at 14.

unknown 55:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:32

Um, again, I think a theme with mine, it might be brutality, I don't know, but. You were a huge Dudley Boys fan, though, weren't you? Yeah, I like the Dudley Boys. And very few times have I ever watched wrestling when I thought, yeah, these guys might die in the rain. That's one of the matches when I thought, like, this don't look safe. Yeah. This don't look safe at all. And the thing I loved about it is, you know, you're really good at this too. You can tell when wrestlers miss, they miss. In that match, very few, oh, he was supposed to hit his leg, but he actually hit his chest, or he had to move a certain way to make it look like that. The things that they were doing aerially in that match, I don't know how they didn't miss or make mistakes. Like they were so in tune. It was a triple threat match that didn't seem like one. Because it was nonstop action, bro. You're right.

SPEAKER_04 56:39

Ladders, tables, chairs, uh, desks. Jumping off the top of the ladder, jumping off the top rope. Yeah. On the ladder.

SPEAKER_05 56:47

It was just like nonstop action. Like, if I was a well, you know what? I was. I don't think my son was into it at that point. That's one of those matches where you tell your kids, yeah, don't try this shit at home. Don't, don't, don't do any of this shit.

SPEAKER_02 57:02

Hell no. Absolutely. Nope. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

So that was uh that was um my my number.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

Which WrestleMania was that one again?

SPEAKER_05 57:11

That was uh WrestleMania 17.

SPEAKER_02 57:14

17, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:15

And mind you, I had all these. My top three, I have them split in like you know, points. Yeah, I mean, I I get you.

SPEAKER_06 57:22

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 57:26

It was just tough for me to rank rank rank that one higher.

SPEAKER_03 57:28

Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

I didn't have them last.

SPEAKER_05 57:32

Hey, it's your list, bro. It's my list, it's your list.

SPEAKER_03 57:35

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 57:37

So it's yeah, you know, um, yeah. That was a great it was a great that's a that's a great one. None of these matches are bad. I mean, we're we're we're debating them, but none of these matches are. No, like you were talking about, you know, um not missing the first match between uh Shawn Michaels and and the Undertaker. Shawn Michaels, remember he was going after his legs and Undertaker was on the announcer's table, and Shawn Michaels jumped and he was supposed to hit him in the land on his chest, but he kind of missed it off and he landed on the Undertaker's leg. The Undertaker sold it. Sold it. He sold it. You know, like he was supposed to land on my leg because he was going after my leg the whole match.

SPEAKER_05 58:15

Yeah, yeah. So man. That that's that's the synergy they had. They were they were special.

SPEAKER_02 58:22

Which brings me to my number two. Oh, okay. Undertaker versus Shawn Michaels, WrestleMania 26. I believe this was the second time they had wrestled. The other one was the year before, WrestleMania 25. And you can see, so we both agreed that the two of them always make their opponent better. Taker special. This time around, there was no doubt that them two complimented each other so much in this match. It was almost like they didn't have to talk. They knew, okay, I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna counter with that. You're gonna do, okay, I'm gonna counter with this. Like they were 100% in sync in that match.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

I agree.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

And the shit that they did, you know, Shawn Michaels, you know, the super kick, Undertaker, you know, last ride to the choke slam. To me, that was my number two match. Them two, the announcers, uh, I think Jim Ross was the announcer in that one. He was. Um, the fans, that that match had everything. You thought the roof was gonna come off that place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only thing that would have made that match better was if it was the Undertaker's signature match, Hell on a Cell. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That would that would have made it better. That would to me, that would have made it number one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

I mean, I had it at my number four. So yeah, I I agree.

SPEAKER_02 59:57

Um, who you got number two?

SPEAKER_05 1:00:02

My number my number two is uh is the match the year before. It's Michael's Undertaker at WrestleMania 25. Oh, 25? Yeah, that's my that's what I had. To me, um, again, you're splitting hairs here. They're both, you know, 1A, 1B. Where'd you have 26 at? Four.

unknown 1:00:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

I had them both in my top five.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:26

Um everything around the matches that they wrestled, it just seemed like big. It just seemed like a big event when they wrestled. And they they didn't disappoint. And again, it's so difficult. Uh you know, it's so it's so difficult to make your ass getting beat when you're so much bigger than the other guy, believable. And I don't think he's one of the greatest wrestlers ever, but I don't think Undertaker gets enough credit for that. The way that he is able to not only seem like he's invincible, but you can almost beat him.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:07

But you don't beat him. Nope. He make he's the best at that shit, bro.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:12

That's why he's on my Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:14

Oh, without a doubt. Yes. 100% he's on Mount Rushmore.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:17

Because you think for 27 minutes, this dude's gonna beat my ass, and then halfway during the match, you got him, and then at the end, he he really makes you believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:32

He rises to the occasion.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:33

Yeah, he really makes you believe, like, you almost had me this time. But he makes the fans believe that. That's what I'm saying. Yep. Not only the wrestler, but obviously the wrestler knows. Yeah, the fans are like, Oh shit, Dawn's gonna beat him. This is the time. This is the time Taker gets taken down. And don't have. Nope. And The took the beast. Even though I hated that. Yeah, I didn't like it either.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:52

We'll talk about that another day. I hated that. Um, but again, at the end, he's you know, like I said, he's on that mail restaurant for a reason. So that's why I have at my number two is uh Michaels and taker. We're at the final spot, my guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

Um who do you have at number one? Well, I'm gonna, who do you looking at the list? Who did I not mention? I already know, but I want you to tell the people. I know you didn't mention. My number one is WrestleMania 17, Stone Cold versus The Rock.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

I'm a little bit surprised by that, but tell me.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

Well, first of all, both of them are my top five favorite wrestlers.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:41

Matt Rushmore.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

Um, without a doubt. Stone Cold is just Stone Cold. And The Rock, the Brahma Bull, you know, just watching him from when he was younger, Rocky Mayavia, to, you know, The Rock. This was his prime, I believe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

Um, which was also during Shawn Michaels' prime, which I'm gonna come to that.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

Um, they beat the living fuck out of each other in that match. Yeah. Stone Cold giving the rock the rock bottom, the rock giving Stone Cold the stunner numerous times.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:17

Um, it was non-stop action, them beating the shit out of each other. Um, you know, Stone Cold pulling out Ted DiBiaszi's million dollar dream chokehold. First time, never done it, ever. Yeah. I was like, holy shit, he pulled that out. Um, you know, Vince McMahon getting involved in the match. And The Rock still fighting through. I'm not a fan of people getting involved, but the way they did this one, I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:50

I liked it. Yeah. Because at one point The Rock gave Vince McMahon a stunner. Yeah. I remember. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:00

The fans so and a couple of the other ones I mentioned, you know, the fans were insane. And this one, they blew the fucking roof off during this match. I mean, they were the fans were incredible. Yeah. The announcing was incredible. Um this match, it's my number one.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:21

I mean, I can't. I had it at a 4.8. Damn, for real? Yeah, I watched that match twice. Did you really? I actually watched that the night we watched it, I watched it two nights later, I watched it again.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:33

So I'm gonna tell you what's crazy. My my number one match, I had a 4.8 as well. Uh I I I I think that um I don't wanna uh uh I don't wanna short sell Stone Cold Narack, because I think it was one of the greatest matches as well. I just had other matches a little bit higher again. I had them split between 4.8 and 4.6. So it wasn't like it was a a big A big difference, yeah. Yeah, a big difference. Um I just think Stone Cold's uh I think his performance in the Bret Hart match was just a little bit better to me. Um and I love the rock. Um so as uh as evidence to my number one match. As of maybe 40. I tried not to. So let me tell you something. I knew that was gonna be your number one match. I tried, I really, really tried to not be biased because We went there.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:30

Because I was in the arena. I I really tried not to. But it's hard because you felt man, bro. You felt it.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:38

We've both been in the link for some pretty amazing events.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:44

I went to four Eagles NFC Championship games.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:46

I went to three of them. We've seen them win some amazing games in there in that place be crazy. That's one of the craziest ever seen inside the link.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:00

And it had nothing to do with the Eagles.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:01

Nope. No.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:05

I mean, I had that one at number four, but.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:08

Yeah. I mean, again, your list, my list. To me, when it comes to matches, and again, nothing in my mind will ever top, you know, Taker and McFoley. That's the greatest match ever. I wasn't in the arena for that. It's not a WrestleMania match. No, I think I was SummerSlam or Hell in the Cell. Hell in the Cell. Hell in a Cell, yeah. Yeah. Nothing will ever top that. But just with WrestleMania matches, man. And I like you don't like when people get involved in matches. Like, just let the guys wrestle. Like to me, it it cheapens and thickens it fakes it up.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:45

Well, no, no, that was a big thing with Roman Reigns during his whole. So when he had that four-year run, I think there was only three matches. Well, one, he hardly ever wrestled.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:56

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

Like he hardly wrestled on Friday night or Monday night raw. He was only wrestling on the big events. And then even then, there might have been only three matches that he had where somebody wasn't involved.

unknown 1:07:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:11

Like the Usos or Solo Sequoia, who came out of nowhere once against, you know, when he wrestled Brock Lesnar. I mean, he wrestled Brock Lesnar numerous times. My opinion, Brock Lesnar, he should have lost to Brock Lesnar, but somebody always got involved. Gotcha. But that they did that one a right way. Because the night before the words right out of my mouth. The night before they had the tag team match, The Rock and Roman Reigns versus Cody Rhodes and Seth Rollins. So they did it the right way.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:42

They backed up the wrestling with storyline and surprise.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:48

Like, there's absolutely nobody who thought The Undertaker was going to come out. No. That was no one thought that. You could have guessed that obviously you knew The Rock was going to get involved. What's the guy who came out before The Rock? Big guy. He's part of the bloodline. Solo Sokoa. Yeah. You could kind of maybe think that was going to happen. Yeah. He's only out to the Usos, so they're going to be.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:12

Well, kind of knew The Rock was going to get involved. Yeah, you knew The Rock was going to get involved, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:16

And I don't think anybody saw. Nobody had any clue The Undertaker was going to come out. Or John Cena. Yeah. How many people got involved in that match?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:26

Five?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

Well, you had uh The Rock, Soto Sokoa, the Usos. Well, if the Usos weren't there. Seth Rollins were there, right? Seth Rollins. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, Seth Rollins. Um The Undertaker. The Undertaker and John Cena. So you kind of had three for Roman and when it was actually four for Roman, but and then you had, you know, the three for Cody Roots.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:52

Yeah, and normally in a match like that, again, it cheapens it up. It makes it sound look like it's fake, but this one didn't. They did that shit right. And when Taker came out, it most certainly was the loudest I've ever heard the link. That place went fucking insane. Insane. He was there for 90 seconds. That's all it took. That's all it took. So I tried not to be biased, but and I I tried not to be recency biased, but just being in, just being there and watching it. And even when I watched it, the let I watched it uh when we started doing this a couple weeks ago, I just like, yeah, man, that it's a pretty fucking great match, man. It's it's hard to top that. It is. You know, um, it's not hard to top a lot of these matches. Uh again, we're you know, we're splitting hairs with a lot of these things.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:46

Uh I mean, they're all great. It's very tough. Um, again, and again, for anybody that listens, this is just our opinion. Everybody has their own opinion. Yeah. Um I'm sure we'll hear. So, yeah, so don't get all, you know, panties in a bunch. You know, this is just like we look, I I asked you, there's another match that I saw during WrestleMania. I don't know how it's not on this list. Tell me which match it is. WrestleMania 14, Stone Cold versus Shawn Michaels. I watched that match twice. The announcing, the stadium, the fans. Just crazy the entire time. I might have to make a note to watch it. Um Shawn Michaels, so Shawn Michaels is just coming back from a broken back, I think three to four months. He broke his back during a match, uh I forget what match it was, and this was it happened before this this match was already booked. Okay. So he did everything he could to, you know, he had a um his uh a bone fusion done. Um, going through rehab and surgery. For him to do what he did in this match, and Stone Cold did not hold up, that let up at all. Stunned them numerous times, slammed them numerous times, you know, stand them on the desk, on the announcer's desk, hit him in the back with with a chair multiple times. For him to put on that, and and they were in sync the whole time, the two of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:26

Yeah, they beat the fucking shit out of each other. I definitely gotta watch it now. And to me, because of the fact of what Shawn Michaels came through, came back from, for him to put on that performance, to me, that would have been my number one. Hands down, my number one. That's how good that match was. And at the same time, so Shawn Michaels shortly after that, he left wrestling for two years. Who do you think were the two guys that took the reins to keep WWE at that time going? It had to be Austin and the Rock, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:04

Imagine the three of them in their prime at the same time. When Shawn Michaels came back, was Stone Cold's last match. When he finally came back. Really, was it? Yep. I didn't know that until I was watching the thing. It was um WWE Rivals, I watched it on.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:22

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:22

That's what they meant. It's great show. I don't know if you've been watching it, but you gotta watch it. No, I haven't watched it.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:26

You told me about it before.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:27

The three of them could have been, if it wasn't for that injury, you would have had Shawn Michaels in his prime, Stone Cold, and The Rock in their prime, all three of them feuding at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:36

Well, we talked a couple days ago um about the current state of wrestling. Ugh. And you were we were all so we were talking about like what's missing. Well, that's what's missing. 100%. That's what's missing. Um you just don't have that. And I know people who listen to this or who watch wrestling will think, yeah, we know it's a story. Yeah, we know it's choreographed. That doesn't matter. What matters is if you watch an amazing movie, there's a difference between being a B-list actor in it and an A-list actor in it.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:19

Like The Miz being in it or The Rock being in it.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:21

Yeah, yeah. We we know it's scripted, but it doesn't matter if the person that is is is doing the script isn't good enough to sell the story. And that is what is missing right now in the current state of wrestling. You're talking about three guys, two of which that we both have on our Mount Russell Moore. One could be if you had another face. Yeah. Who's literally, he's literally Mr. WrestleMania. That's what they call him. And they call him that for a reason. So these are the reason why he was in 17 WrestleManians. Exactly. He's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. What you ever think about him personally?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:57

He's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. 100%. I agree with that 100%.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:01

And there's a reason why. And I didn't realize that until you just said that the head went away, but you're right. That would have been amazing. I'm trying to think who would have filled the void for him. It was probably, I guess they tried to make Triple H fill the void probably during that time. But he's no Shawn Michaels.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:21

No, I mean at that time, at that time, yeah. Um Triple H wasn't.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Yeah, he wasn't that.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:30

He wasn't that. Because you had the rock. Triple H was fading out, too. Yeah. You had the rock and you had Stone Cold. You know, it's just it was bad luck what happened to Sean, the way what happened to him.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:42

You know, the months prior, I forget what pay-per-view it was. Um, but they already had it set up to him wrestling Stone Cold. It was just bad luck. Um and I remember, you know, in the thing, you know, him saying, uh I'll just get me so that I can perform.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:02

Stone Cold said that.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:04

No. Stone Cold City. Michael said that. Okay. And the motherfucker performed. Yeah. He performed like if you didn't know he had a broken back, you would have never known.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:16

I mean like his grimacing, Stone Cold whacked the shit out of him with a chair in the back. Like three times. And you could see it in his face. Like any other person I think would have just gave up and said, nah, I'm not doing this. I'm done.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:33

Yeah. I again I You gotta watch this match. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it tomorrow. Um and again, I did not um I didn't realize he had gone away for that amount of time. Um it it makes it makes a lot of sense now that you say it, that he did. Uh but what could have been uh again, amazing wrestler, Mr. WrestleMania. He put some of the greatest matches not only in WrestleMania, but in other matches, other pay-per-views as well. He he he put on some amazing matches as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:10

So uh I think a lot of things what's missing now is like certain rivals. I think WWE would have been smart to have the Gunther Drew McIntyre rival longer. It only lasted like seven months. I think that would have been a really good rival to have between them two, both big guys, both strong guys, you know, technical, they can wrestle.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:37

Um the state of wrestling now it's not like it was back then.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:48

You can like again, I tape it because I can't stand commercial, so I tape it so I can and I can't stand stupid matches.

unknown 1:16:56

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:56

Like they got this guy, Van Zingzing, or some shit like that. I forget what the fuck his name is. Stupid, painted up little scrawny guy. He's brown for weeks, you know, just telling people you're cursed and you're cursed, and then finally he wrestled the other night over another schmuck who I can't even remember his name because that's how irrelevant he is to me. Wow. Um, it's just you know what's gonna happen. You can tell predict what's gonna happen in the matches ahead of time. The Miz is still around. You know, I'm sorry, Miz, time to go. You know, you rarely wrestle, you just talk, and when you wrestle, I can't remember last time he won a damn match. Right. You know, time to get rid of him. Um, but it's just I think not like it was, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:46

Yeah, and you know, it it's I know we're probably a little nostalgic for what used to be or what used to be, but wrestling is different than like an actual sport where you can kind of and this is cyclical, it goes on cycles, and it's it's actually supposed to be like this. What it's supposed to do is there's supposed to be a guy, and the guy has a run, and you replace him with the next guy. Just think about it. Like in the in the 80s, right? If we go if we if we just go from the 80s decades on up, right? The eighties decade was run by who was who was the guy in the 80s? Hulk Hogan. Hogan was the guy in the 80s, right? Hogan has this run, and then there's a down period for WWE. Then the next guy makes the run. Who would you say is the guy in the 90s era that makes that is the guy?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:45

Who is the man? Oh man. Man, I'm too old for this.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:49

Well, what it used to be. Well, I I'll tell you this. I'll tell you who it was supposed to be Bret Hart, but it wasn't Bret Hart because of what happened. Yeah. So the air screw job. Right. So there's a little lull in the 90s because kudos to him for turning into Hollywood Hogan when he went to WCW. So there's a lull there, and WCW is on the ascension. And and WWE is kind of like down a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:22

Yeah, they were losing their ratings to WCW.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:26

Right. So the guys that you mentioned are the ones that brought that back.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:32

That was the attitude error.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:33

The attitude error was what brought that back.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:36

Nation of domination, all that error. Stone Cold.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:40

All that error. Brought that back, right? So then they have this second run, right? Still the Monday Night Wars are going on. Raw versus Nitro.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:50

That's going back and forth. Degeneration X was formed.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:54

Right. It's insane.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:55

The ascension of ECW starts to come. So now these other guys are coming. So now, like the early 2000s, there's a backlash from the attitude era. Now the next guys are supposed to come in. They're getting ready to buy WCW out, right? Stone Cold is still kind of there. The Rock is still kind of there. But they're kind of like on their way out.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:21

They're finishing up, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:22

Yeah. So then their next guy comes. The Rock only wrestled for seven years. Right. That's what I'm saying. Which is crazy. Crazy. He made such an impact in seven years. Right. So they're starting to move away. Stone Cold is hurt. The Rock is going to make movies. They look into John Cena. Yep. So now they have another guy that they have this long run.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:42

Long run with John Cena.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:44

So it it happens in cycles like that. And then you get to current day, like, you know, previous, like the past five years, and then you have the Reigns era where it happens. Yeah, the bloodline, the Roman Reigns. Right. Very popular storyline. Romans popular. But at that, at some point, that starts to fade away, and they're trying to make Cody that, and it's not really working. I say all that to say is that they don't have the guy right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:14

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:15

They don't have the guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:16

They don't have the faction.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:17

They don't have, yeah, they don't have a Shawn Michaels, a Stone Cold, the Rock. Um Triple H wasn't even that. No. If you think about it. I mean, he was big. You know, like I said, he got, I think he hit his height when he became the game. The whole entrance song and everything. Um, but he never reached, in my opinion, the plateau that Stone Cold, John Cena, The Rock, Shawn Michaels. And Roman Reigns, they pushed him to be there. But I don't think Roman Reigns I don't think you could put him up in that category.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:02

I don't think he is either. Only because of the ring work. He's great on the mic, but because of the ring work, I don't think that he is. I think that you have to have equal love and hate for the guy to be good. There was a bunch of people when The Rock was popular. Half the people hated him, half the people loved him. There was no more babyface, heel. Everything was kind of like right in the middle. You weren't really didn't really sure what this guy was. Did you, was he a good guy? Was he a bad guy? Um, did it even matter? Could he wrestle? Was he good on the mic? You hear people cheer just as loud for somebody you think is bad as they do for somebody that thinks it's good. Yeah. That's why Flair was amazing, because guys wanted to be him, women wanted to fuck him. So you gotta have equal parts of that to be really, really popular.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:00

The days of, you know, each your vitamins like Hulk Hogan, well, we ain't gonna hear that shit no more.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:06

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:06

Like the guy's gotta be real. And maybe it's not a guy, maybe it's a woman. I don't know. But some the the next person has to have that. And it just don't seem like they have that. I don't even know if they have it in the pipeline. No. I don't even know who they have in the pipeline that could be like that. I think this new guy they might be trying to make into that. Obafemi. Obafemi. Yeah, I think they're trying to. There's a reason why they're giving him a push right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:32

I think, okay, so did you watch any of the things with him and Brock Lesnar going on? Yeah, because you told me to watch. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:39

So I don't think there's a push for him to be that guy. Because he doesn't really talk. Then he can't be that guy. On the mic. Yeah, he can't be that guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:53

Now, I did see a thing where they're there the push is he's been coming out, beating the shit out of the beast, Brock Lesnar. Nobody's ever seen that happen to him, yada yada yada. Um, which by the way, that's if there's a match I want to watch, it's that one, and it's on Sunday. Um and then after that, so from what I saw, Roman beat CM Punk for the championship belt.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:23

So you got CM Punk is a champion, and um I'm trying to think who's Cody Rhodes? Cody Rhodes, that's right. Because he's wrestling Randy Orton. Which is something that we'll come along that line. So Roman beats CM Punk. Oba on Monday Night Raw, they're saying Oba Femi's gonna come out when Roman Reigns comes out and says, acknowledge me, yada yada. Oba Femi comes out and gets in Roman's face, and he's gonna challenge Roman for the belt.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:55

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:57

So I don't know if that's a push. I personally think the person that they could have used to make the push to be in the same that can be in the same tier, I don't know why they didn't give him the opportunity, is Randy Orton. Yeah, you said that before. He's a fifth, he's won the belt 15 times. I personally think I wanted him to be the one to break Ric Flair's streak, not John Cena. I've always liked Randy Orton better than John Cena. Yeah. You know, loyalty, hustle, this and that. It's you know. I've always loved Randy Orton. He's great on the mic, and he's a hell of a wrestler. He is. I think the reason was he's had bad luck because of his injuries. So I'm hoping that they have him beat Cody for the belt, and he's one of the guys that they have, at least for the next couple years, give him that push to push him up there. Because I think he can be that guy. The funny thing is, now he turned into the bad guy. He went back to a bad guy because of Cody Rhodes. Gotcha. So he was supposed to wrestle Drew McIntyre, Cody Weaseled his way for another match, took the belt away from Drew McIntyre. Now it's a two- which you know, it's probably the storyline. You know, the two are close friends, yada yada. Now you're gonna go against each other, but I hope they have Randy Orton win the belt. I'd like to see him win the belt and see him be the heavyweight champion for at least another year or so.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:23

So if you're listening, we're we were talking about this weekend's upcoming WrestleMania. What is it, 42? WrestleMania 42. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:33

Um this podcast will be out tomorrow, uh two days before WrestleMania 42.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:42

Uh I'll see what the feedback is. Maybe we'll do a recap of WrestleMania 42. Um Where's it at? It's in Vegas. Las Vegas.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:54

Yeah. Remember, I wanted to go, but just couldn't get the tickets. We didn't have any kids. Reached out to my cousin. Yo, can you get some tickets?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:04

Uh it's probably gonna be a good one. I would think, you know, first time in Vegas, big show. I would, you know, I would I would think it's gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:12

Yeah, Rhea Ripley's in the uh wrestling.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:17

Um they got some good matches for it. Yeah. I think the biggest so fun fact from what I've seen on social media, the Brock Lesnar Oba Femi match is getting more hype than the Romans CM Punk and the Cody Randy Orton matches. Because he's a new guy, maybe? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:46

Probably he's a new guy, he's you know, power bomb Brock Lesnar numerous times. He's a big dude already. Big dude. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:57

It's gonna be interesting to see. What the next six months of WrestleMania or of WWE is gonna be. Because I like you think that they might be on a little bit of a downturn. And if they don't do something, they could find themselves, I think, really losing uh a lot because they, you know, you know, inside baseball, so to speak, you know, they were sold to TKO, who also owns UFC. And, you know, they're gonna want a return on that investment.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:34

You know. Well, I mean, you got The Rock is one of the CEOs. You got Shawn Michaels still involved. You got a lot of older wrestlers that are still involved in the business with uh ECW. I get it. Which is owned. Oh, the ECW is the feeder program program. No. NXT is a feeder progger, feeder program for WWE. I don't see ECW putting uh giving in as much of a battle as WCW did.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:03

No, I don't think AEW.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:06

Or AEW.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:06

Yeah. I don't think they will either. What what I mean is that if you if you really, really think about it, wrestling is uh it it's it's the gateway drug to violence for kids. And what I mean by that is, yeah, we watched it when we were younger, right? We knew I shouldn't be doing this shit, but I want to watch them do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:35

That's how they get two 50-year-old men to have a podcast about the top 15 WrestleMania matches.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:43

Yo, yo, yo. Easy on the age. But I'm but I'm telling you, that's the reason why. Yeah, I mean, I look, I remember when I was a kid watching wrestling, I'd be like, in the backyard, I climb up on the garage roof, and my cousin, I'm like, let's wrestle. And I'd climb up on the roof and he we'd have mattresses down. I laid down so I could jump on him out. You know, thankfully, my cousin was chicken shit, and he was like, No, I'm not gonna let you jump on me because I might have broken neck, he might, I might have broke his neck, who knows? God knows what would have happened back then.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:12

Before we get out of here, I'm gonna tell you one story that has something to do with that. So my grandpa had a shed that he kept his um lawnmower in, old metal tin shed. Oh kept his lawnmower shit in, right? So let's keep my bike in there or whatever like that. So I wanna, I wanna, I'm gonna say a rest in peace to my cousin Tim Jones, because he's a part of this story. He runs around the corner, and uh I told him that I was gonna I was gonna drop an elbow on him when he ran around the corner, but he thought I was gonna do it while I was still on the ground. He didn't know that I was on top of the side. Oh, you're on top of the shed. Right? So I fly off the top of the shed. He sees me, right? But it's too late. He knows I'm gonna hit him, right? And he turned just a little bit. And I I I grazed him with my elbow, but I hit 90% on the ground, right? I'm knocked the fuck out. I'm I'm I'm out for, they said I was out for like two minutes, right? So smacking me in my face. Oh shit. How old were you? It was like 10.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:26

Yeah. I was mentioned. That explains a lot. Yeah, yeah. I was a menace.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:31

Anyway, so I'm on the ground, they like pit me on top of my head, right? And next thing I know, I'm like waking up. My grandmom comes around the corner with whooped your ass. She ain't whooped my ass. She had uh she had one of them white buckets full of water. She just threw it in my face to try to wake me up. Now I'm drowning. I'm knocked out, I got a concussion. All because of wrestling. But that I had that memory. I would never want my my sons to do any of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:07

Well, at least we don't have to worry about it now.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:09

No, you don't have to worry about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:10

Well, maybe you don't.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:11

No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:13

You got you got one down the pipeline that might be dumb. No, no, I'm talking about my son. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:17

He might be dumb enough still to out at the age of gonna be 27.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:23

But yeah, everybody that's out there listening, this will be out tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:26

Speaking of the pipeline, I'm already teaching my teaching him. Oh, you teaching pop up the elbow. I know, I got a video and beat me up. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:34

Trust me, I know. Talk about a menace. That little boy is gonna be a menace.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:38

Jeez.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:39

Yep. But uh But yeah, man. Uh wow, this is this was fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:43

It was fun. This was really fun. Exactly what I thought it was gonna be. Yep. I hope whoever listens to it, just remember it's our opinion. Everybody, we respect everybody's opinions. This is what we think.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:53

Hope you enjoy. Listen, comments, good or bad. Yeah. Let us know where we can improve. And uh Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:00

This won't be the last time you hear from us. That's that is most certainly for sure. No. Um we have uh we have so many, again, we talked about this for over a year, and we have so many thoughts on wrestling, good and bad. And uh you're gonna be hearing from us again, and you'll be hearing, hey, and look, again, like he said, these are our opinions. Uh, this is what we feel.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:22

Um, but we did we're right.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:26

Anyway, on that, I want to say, say everybody out there, thank you for listening and uh enjoy WrestleMania weekend. Uh if you get a chance to go, it's amazing. If you don't, it's still amazing. Get a chance to watch it. It's the uh it's the Daytona five hundred of Wrestling. Of wrestling. 100%. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:46

So uh we out.