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SPEAKER_02We're about to go on an adventure. Stay with us. We're gonna travel to all the universes out there, and maybe to a neighborhood near you. GR, talk to me, man.
SPEAKER_03Hello. Good evening, good morning, good night, wherever you at. It's another beautiful day on the Real Talk podcast. So allegedly, well apparently, let me say apparently because I'm the one who's out of the loop. But today is anime day, correct?
SPEAKER_02Yes. Boo this man. Crucify him. He's not one of us. He doesn't know. Honestly, I wouldn't have known either. I didn't know that we I don't even know if that's America. I don't know if that's Japan. Um, but I just saw it on Twitter and we're gonna roll with it. It's worldwide at this point. Yeah, of course. The anime has um definitely dominated a lot of things going on in the world. But uh happy anime day. So I think we'll start with um give me what was the anime that got you into anime? What was it? What popped your cherry?
SPEAKER_03Hey yo, we're not gonna use we're not gonna use Dragon Ball, right? Why not? Well, because it's not really classified as anime. It was um it's I look at Dragon Ball with all due respect, but it's almost like the era of basketball where they only had eight teams. So it was the beginning, it was the forefather, it was the playbook, but it is not in fact anime. You can get as mad as you want. Okay. Alright? No problem. No problem. The one that actually fully got me like, yo, I love anime. Oh no, I gotta go back. It's actually um Gundam Wing and then Yu Yu Haka Show. Okay. And then, you know, Naruto came about. But I will give it to Dragon Ball ultimately, because you know what? My cousin, shout out Marty. He gave me the me and my brother the the actual VHS video of um The Raditz saga where he showed up, popped out on Goku and the Saiyan saga. The Saiyan saga, and that was the f when um Goku died. Special beam can special beam cannon, and that was the first time Gohan headbutted somebody so crazy. Broke his ribs. But yeah, so I'll have to go with Dragon Ball ultimately. But it's mine shooting.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you can do some more. Uh Yu Yu Haka show is a very underrated anime.
SPEAKER_03Can I just say something real quick before we go? Yeah, absolutely. Now it makes sense why that guy in JJK had that curly hair in the front. If you get where I'm going. I don't. There's a character in Yu Yu Haka Show who um I forgot his name. He was like, he wore all blue, he was very angry and you know, and he was a ginger. He was a ginger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02It was like that, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And then, you know, Yu Yu got his name, he had the spirit gun. So nice callback.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh Inu Yasha. Well, Dragon Ball obviously was mine. Uh it was actually um Inu Yasha. Drag Dragon Ball was it for me. Okay. But um, yeah, uh, we could hate all you want. I'm Ian. I actually'll be the judge. Um, Dragon Ball. Uh but yeah, but uh I would say uh I didn't look like just kind of like what you're saying, I didn't look at it as anime because I didn't know what I was watching.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02Um so when I really like I would say inuyasha, because that like came on like at the end. That's when I was like, yo, after this show, I gotta go to sleep. Yeah, I like Inu Yasha a lot. Um yeah, some of the characters, like the characters, the the animation, it's a very cool show. His his his older brother being like, you know, very strong. Kind of like when you watch these old animes, you watch the new animes, like his older brother reminds me a lot of Itachi.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um they had the dad who was the monster, so it was dope. And you have the side characters like Koga and then the the guy with the um like a I forgot his name, but he had uh the wind tunnel thing where he had like a dark hole in his uh black hole in his hand, he could suck up everything. Yeah, it was a really cool show. Um and it was it was cool to kind of like go into a different culture, you know what I'm saying? Because um, it's not cool to go to your school and be like, hey, I watch Any Yasha. You know, yeah, Dragon Ball, yeah, everybody watched that. Like that's like everybody can relate to that, but like Any Yasha's a deep cut, you know. Um Yeah, I I I feel like that. Um, but you had you had a pretty a pretty uh good question um about the the side characters. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a very good question. So side characters that you know you want me to present the question?
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. The question was like who are the top five or whatever amount you want to go with? I would say top five, top three, side characters in anime that should have or could have been the protagonist, the lead of a show. That's a dope question. And um I'm gonna let you go first. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_01Um I think that Rock Lee. Oh, he's the answer, man.
SPEAKER_02Rock Lee. Yeah. I I don't even want to put too much gas on this, but Rock Lee's story could have carried at least a whole like saga or season. Like it should have had its own like whole thing. Cause like those type of characters, when they're in those universes, like, yeah, man. Yeah, that don't have the curse energy and the natural gifts. Cause it's always that debate in in any like like fight show or anything like that. Like, it's always the the super talented guy versus the hardworking guy, like who wins out. Like, that's the thing. So Rock Lee, I think he could have at least had his own saga. Yep. You know, because like Guy, he had a lot of moments in uh in Archer. Rock Lee didn't have like he had the the last moment he really had was when he unlocked the drunken master thing he fought. Then they nerfed him out. Yeah, that was it. He fought the bones nigga. Yeah. And that was it. That was a good fight, though. It was phenomenal. He still got saved though. Yeah, that was it. But you know, understanding, man. So I would say Rock Lee is on my list. Okay. Um your turn.
SPEAKER_03Oh, we're going one for one? All right. I think you messed me up because I was gonna go with Rock Lee. But interestingly enough, I would go with Neji. Okay. Neji's a character who, you know, he was limited, but still like because he was limited, he had to overcompensate in other ways and created a whole nother technique. Now, when you look at how what happened with him, he was in the tuning exams and he was such a standout that they were like, yo, this guy's a Joni. Yeah. And to your point, again, they have to nerf him. I think that's a key in how you know this person should have been or could have been, you know, uh the main protagonist, because the way he died was corny too. I'm like, Yeah, he just got a branch through the back trying to save Hanada. Great, you can save Henada, but you don't have to die like that. The point is that this man's story always inspired me. And that was my favorite character all the way till they killed him off. Because he even, I think he walked down Sasuke.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna ask you, who do you think wins if the tuning exam doesn't get broken up by Gara going crazy in a Sasuke versus Neji fight at that time?
SPEAKER_03At that time, definitely Neji. Think so? Because he can see the chakra points. His Taijutsu's at a different level, all that open palm stuff. And at the end of the day, um Sase got help from his master, like to get to learn a whole new technique. I mean, I'm like, you just adding stuff now?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, man, that's how it goes.
SPEAKER_03But if we're talking about master for master, then ultimately Neji, he got guy sensei behind him. You know what I mean? But the only the thing that holds him back again is that seal. Without that, I think he had the potential to unlock the tensing gun because that's his bloodline, you know.
SPEAKER_02What what does the Tensengon do that because I'm I'm uh I'm not gonna say I'm a novice when it comes to the Naruto thing, but I just I kind of turn my brain off a lot in Naruto, I'm not gonna lie. So what does the Tensing Gon do that the um Yakuban doesn't do?
SPEAKER_03So not only can you see, and I'll correct me if I'm wrong in the comments.
SPEAKER_02You know the the the super nerves.
SPEAKER_03Come through, please. Yeah, please, you can always want to learn.
SPEAKER_02This is a space for us, yeah.
SPEAKER_03But based on the movie The Last, having the full-blown potential the Tensing Gon opened up, you get a similar um physical form as uh, you know, Naruto with the Ninetales and that.
SPEAKER_02Oh, so you got like a cloak.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the cloak. That's what happened with the uh I forgot the name of the character, but he was on the nigga that cut the moon. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02That's the biggest feat in Naruto.
SPEAKER_03Okay, we'll go with that.
SPEAKER_02There's something bigger in Naruto than that?
SPEAKER_03Pulling down moons is a big thing. No, no, that was that was a little asteroid, bro. That's the moon. That's a fact, yeah. That's a moon. Someone still did it, is what you say, is what I'm saying. And he probably could have done more if he had it too. That nigga. Yeah, so with that being said, that was feat in the R2. That's one of the biggest feats in the R2.
SPEAKER_02And what's bigger than that?
SPEAKER_03Listen, putting everyone to sleep is crazy. It's cool. Okay. But um cool filler episodes. Nah, that's the highest level, I think, that you can see of the tensing gun. I think he had the potential to do that.
SPEAKER_02So you get a cloak and you can cut.
SPEAKER_03Remember, he used to like, you know, hit you with all these palms without even being close to you. Yeah. So I'm I would. Right. And I imagine the range would just open up to anyone.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I feel like um, you know, all all animes have their issues, but the side character thing is definitely um so another one um from Demon Slayer, I would I don't know if this fits the parameters, but the the OG dude, the nigga that's like bleeding out his eyes. Oh yeah. Not the not the blind dude, the the the their master. The guy that has the two little girls. Oh yeah. I would want to know his history. Like w I like what did he do to garner, like we see that he's just a really nice guy. Like they all love it because he's so like, and a lot of these kids come or dudes, because some of them are grown men, they come from broken situations, and he was there to put them back together.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But I want to know, because it can't just be he's a nice guy. Like they they he gotta be nice with it. He gotta be something.
SPEAKER_03So the you're talking about the master.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um, that's one of the weaknesses of Demon Slayer. They don't give you full context in writing sometimes. So he's just a really nice guy, and he's also, you know, a distant relative of um Michael Jackson, the main character.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so I would want to know if he like his whole thing. That would that would be another pick for me, because we don't I don't even know the nigga's name. Shame on me. They g they give you his name.
SPEAKER_03I haven't watched Demon Slayer in a while.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03So those are his two daughters, by the way.
SPEAKER_02Okay, cool.
SPEAKER_03Which he wild out by killing himself and them. But they were down with it. They were like, see. But that's that Japanese culture. It's like I'm going. Yeah, we gotta respect the culture. Yeah. Um, okay. That's your second pick. Yeah. We'll stay on Demon Slayer. Um, this is a little too easy, actually. But um, it could either be Inosuke or Zenetsu with ease because both of their stories lend to and uh they're technically a part of the protagonist's.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's why I didn't want to pick them.
SPEAKER_03They gotta I'll step outside of that. Um what's the little brother's name of the wind Hashiro, who has the he eat he turns into a demon kind of.
SPEAKER_02Oh, whatever his. I know who you're talking about.
SPEAKER_03With a gun. Double barrel. Yeah, yeah. He could also I thought he was black-coated. Black coated, like he's trying to make him black.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like you know how characters are black-coated, like Piccolo. Yeah. They gave him a gun. Yeah, like that. Yeah, like come on, sir.
SPEAKER_03Demon time.
SPEAKER_02That was too much on the nose for me. Maybe I'm maybe I'm too, I gotta take my koofy off of him. You might be right.
SPEAKER_03I gotta talk to somebody. Y'all look tripping. Yeah, he backed out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was like, wait, whoa, whoa.
SPEAKER_03These demons are getting crazy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was like, what's going on? What's Sean?
SPEAKER_03What the fuck is that? Nah, I would go with him because his story is complex. He's trying to win the um uh win the validation of his brother back. Um, the fact that again, he has he doesn't have what everyone else has.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So that gives you like a blow for the underdog. Yeah, he has to do extra things to win. So I would go with him.
SPEAKER_02I don't know if this is true. But this ruined demon slaver for me. Oh when I read it. I don't know if it's true. It said that all that shit we see is invisible, it's not real. It's not real. It's like it does an expression of what it's just an expression. And that you can't why if they said that regular people can't see it, I'd be like, okay. Yeah, because that's what JJK looks like. When niggas is fighting um curse bears, they just look like they they they boxing outside.
SPEAKER_04Like, yeah, what's going on?
SPEAKER_02Like a human can't see the curse bearers. Like this dude's just attacking the air. Right. But we know it's there though. So but they jacking that that shit is not even there. But there's a couple of moments like where he uses the fire to burn something, where they're like, nah, that doesn't match up. So I don't know how true that is. Right. Because like, if it's not real, then how did he burn it? Or like or like I think something was on fire and he used the water technique and that stopped the fire thing. So it's like, if that's not real, then that wouldn't work that way. So I'm hoping that you know.
SPEAKER_03I'm going based off the manga and what they put on TV because I don't care what the author or the writer says now. Like, we already see what what it is. You can try cheating. Yeah, but if you was an author, how would you feel? Am I trying to troll my fans? Are my fans poke a hole in my story? I'm gonna say whatever. Nah, that's actually not what it is. Actually, no.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you guys had it all wrong. Exactly. This is actually a dream sequence. Y'all start adding me enough. I'm gonna say something crazy. Yeah, but I hope that's not true. Um, all right, let's uh get uh JJK. Um I would want to know more about or like who who who I think can carry a whole thing in JJK. Ooh, my son Toto. Toto? Yeah, that's the nigga that claps. Yeah, I know that man. Yeah, I I gotta I gotta see what's up with him.
unknownToto.
SPEAKER_02What information do we even have about this guy besides him being strong and he likes women that are tall with big breasts and big butts? Sounds like my type of guy.
SPEAKER_03They could elaborate more on his backstory.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like well, how'd he get so strong?
SPEAKER_03They that that's another thing too. Like he's mad brawlic. Yeah, like he's like and he doesn't have a heavenly restriction, he's actually Nah, he's just strong.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's just brolic. And he got curse bear, so he don't got no heavenly restriction. He's just he's out here. Cause we kind of get a backstory in all the rest of these, I guess. Yeah, you do, but him they kind of leave. Maybe we'll get it later though. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That that's a lot of it. But I can see him being a uh uh protagonist for that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he got that goofy energy too. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of need that with the Japanese people. I would need for them to start earlier though, before he gets broad, almost like watch his development, because if you just start out that way, which would be different, but I don't know, I can see that, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay. And um what are you like planning to start a new enemy anytime soon? Because I got one.
SPEAKER_03What you got?
SPEAKER_02I'm about to start Black Clover. I've been hearing a lot of good stuff about this.
SPEAKER_03Me too. I haven't heard about Black Clover. Okay. We'll start it together.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I've been hearing a lot of good stuff about this, man. Black Clover's the one. Yeah. I don't know the power system, I don't know the main characters, I don't know nothing. All I know is people are like, yo, this is gas. And I think season two either just came out or just announced. One of the two.
SPEAKER_03Their animation, because I saw a few clips, obviously. I feel like it's close to Seven Deadly Sins in terms of animation. Seven Deadly Sins? Animator, I don't like it either. It's not bad, but it's it's not on par with what's been coming out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of heat out right now, man. Yeah. It's a lot of heat out. But uh, yeah, that's that's gonna be my thing for um coming up. I'm I'm gonna do a quick little come in and talk about a couple episodes at a time. I got you. All right. I got you. So I think uh we should talk about a great, a great episode that came out recently. And it's um episode seven of Invincible. Um, is this the second to last episode of the season? I believe so. I think they call that the penultimate episode. I think that's the episode that's supposed to have all the action, and then the episode after it's supposed to be a winding down normally for the next. Yeah, normally. But um I'm I'm gonna let you go first. You seem very um animated.
SPEAKER_03Animated. I don't want to be any other kind of way. Um okay, so walk us through it. What do you want to hear about this first? Tell us what happened. Tell us what happened. Yeah, just walk us through it. So it opens up right back where it kind of left off. We're talking, we got the the the coalition kind of meeting, and people already talking about who I call big drag. They're like, oh, you know, this is gonna be a problem. Even my father's worried. This is what Marcus saying, invincible.
SPEAKER_02You heard what Oliver said though.
SPEAKER_03Oliver, I made this joke, no offense to anybody. I was like, I could tell you wasn't raised by your father because you're talking very emotionally. Even the fact that he was like, I don't care what the big deal is. And he sat back and folded his arms. I'm like, this is somebody who's never been slapped by their father before.
SPEAKER_02My man said, I don't I don't believe the hype. What's all the hype about me?
SPEAKER_03She said the report says the hype is real. Yeah, Shorty tried to learn. She tried to learn them. Yeah, he was on some YN energy and he got anyway. Yep. So they pulled up thinking, oh, we got to drop them. They ran away. This how again I was looking at them like, this was not wise to run up on them on their planet. They have sensors. Oh, we're gonna sneak past the sensors. That's a wild assumption. Cool. How did they know? I think Thrag and I'm leaving, they didn't expect to lose, but he he instantly, and this is a this is a a head tilt to Thrag. He's more intelligent than um one wants to acknowledge. Okay. He's not an idiot, he's very wise, and even the way he talks, you could tell that this is a guy who can crush you physically, but has the mental fortitude of like a rule of royalty.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he tried to do the talk no jutsu. That's yeah.
SPEAKER_03He tried like, yo, listen, that part was in there.
SPEAKER_02He's like, I like I love this episode.
SPEAKER_03It was phenomenal. It puts power in perspective. Yeah. And uh one thing you're gonna notice about Thrak, he's very diplomatic, right? But what makes him dangerous is that it's like, yo, if you don't go my way, I will go, I will put my hands on you. Yeah. And it's not gonna be like anyone conquest. Oh, conquest is great. Anyway, I'm all over the place because I'm just this is how we're doing it.
SPEAKER_02This is how we do it. There's no rhyme or reasons to this.
SPEAKER_03But they pull up on Planet Viltrum, and there's the the remaining Viltrumites are hiding amongst all the bodies. That was cold. And Thrag is standing there like this. He was standing like this, but the energy was like this. Yeah, yeah, that's a fact.
SPEAKER_02He was looking like because they was all like, yeah, we got uh we went on like the planet, we we have like all his locations. So we're gonna canvas the planet. Whoever finds him first, oh yeah, call. You're gonna run the whole planet and find him. I'm right.
SPEAKER_03He's gonna find you, I promise you. Yeah, he's standing there.
SPEAKER_02He was ready.
SPEAKER_03It was popping. Like y'all thought that y'all had me. Yeah, he was ready.
SPEAKER_02He was ready.
SPEAKER_03So the battle starts up, it's getting real good. Shorty with the knife on her back on her hair. I don't know why she went for a slash. It was a cheap shot, but I don't know why you can go for a stab. She went for a slash. My man Thaddeus was like light work. Um, they was fighting, it was, it was, it was great. Up until the point where, again, and this is funny because Mark said to Oliver, don't do nothing by yourself.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's the whole the whole plan was we're going to jump this nigga.
SPEAKER_03Again. That was the plan. No offense to anyone, but I could I could tell you wasn't raised by your father. He was just like, nah. He said, I'm gonna do what I want to do. I'm gonna do my own thing. And you know what happened to that man? Spoiler alert, I yo, he got his jaw slapped off. Yeah. After getting his arm ripped off.
SPEAKER_02And it wasn't even no effort, it was just First he crushed the first like punch that he tried to get off.
SPEAKER_03He tried to dip.
SPEAKER_02He grabbed the, he crushed the hand, he was like, all right, this nigga's not playing around. Grabbed it, removed it, and like pimp slapped him. Bow removed his uh his bottom lip, bottom jaw, bottom teeth, and he's just floating now.
SPEAKER_03Instant sleep.
SPEAKER_02He was just floating.
SPEAKER_03Arm next to him like this. That was pretty brutal, man. And then this is the part that was a gangster. Invincible, now leveled up again, having just killed Conquest, as far as you know, the strongest Vilchamite. Killed him, came flying. Obviously, his brothers hurt, he got his full rage. Thrag ain't moved him, he ain't move a muscle.
SPEAKER_02And then they stole something from anime with that demon thing. That was straight out of the was hard-bodied. I liked it. That let me know that this guy is for real.
SPEAKER_03And they hit you, it wasn't just a skull, it was the red eyes of skull, and they gave you the little flash there. So it was like a horn. And when Invincible connected, this guy's hand gonna be able to do it. And he was like, yo, this guy's not one of us. That was later, but either way, that showed you exactly who Thrag was.
SPEAKER_02I like when he he mentioned that he killed Conquest. Everyone was like, Anissa looked at him like, hmm. She was like, All right, okay, baby daddy. And um Thrag. He tried to pretend like he wasn't impressed, but he was impressed. I saw it, I saw it. Well, he said should be. I saw it.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you killed Conquest. Yeah, I saw it. He wasn't impressed after that punch. Oh, he's light skinned now. Nah, I got I got you, don't worry. He might be light skinned. I got you, I got you. Um still a dark nigga though.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03That was crazy.
SPEAKER_02Drake, Drake saved y'all a light skin nigga from that bar.
SPEAKER_03That bar lip off that bar for a long time.
SPEAKER_02So Kendrick, but the point is We'll see who Kendrick is in the show. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um the whole episode was they went, they went over there, they ran up on Thrag. Thrag took out, at the end of the day, and I know you gotta see the episode for yourself, he took out Oliver, which really doesn't count. He smoked Thaddeus off of the rage of his planet being destroyed, which the three Vilcher mites and a bullet from um the three-eyed dude, I forget his name, crushed that planet.
SPEAKER_02Space racer.
SPEAKER_03Space Racer, destroyed that planet, which was tough. That whole scene was tough.
SPEAKER_02I liked it a lot.
SPEAKER_03It was great. And his rage for what happened to his people, which is another redeeming quality about Thrack. There you go. He does love his people.
SPEAKER_02I knew he was gonna try that. I'm not gonna disagree with that. No, but there's gonna be points that we disagree on. I can feel it already, but I will not disagree with it.
SPEAKER_03No, no, he loves his people. He loves diplomatic, which he's intelligent, and then on top of that, he's really him. Like it's not backed, he's not a sniveling, like, oh, oh my god, he's attacked. No, no, it's if all these guys die, you still gotta see me. Until I go down, the Vilch my Empire will not be dead.
SPEAKER_02That was my only well, not my only problem, one of my major problems. With his thought process. They already have low numbers. He can one-shot pretty much all of them outside of Nolan. I don't know. He's angry. I don't know if he can one shot Invincible. But um he let a lot of these people die. His people? Yeah. Like it during the fight? Yeah. Like I felt like if his goal was to, and I'm going to speak about it when they did his history, but um I felt like if his goal was to preserve as many of his people as possible, because that's what I thought it was gonna be when he pulled, when he when he pulled, when they pulled up, I thought he was like, you know what? I'm not gonna waste. Uh give me your best shot and I'm gonna show y'all why this war is stupid on y'all's part. Right. And then he did the talk no jutsu with Nolan. Um another thing that I did not like, which is just uh just a nitpick, I feel like I want to know what that laser would do to him. The laser that wasn't it would kill him. I but I want to know if it wouldn't. I want to know like he was unfazed by it. Moved out the way. Yeah, he's not that's showing you like I'm not running from this. Yeah, but I just want to know what it would do to him because we are we looking at this laser like this is an all-powerful thing. And burn through a planet. Yeah, I was so I did I I did a little research because we're gonna have a little discussion later, but um, from what I understand, that laser just doesn't stop. Like Yeah, you can't be shooting at a million universe. It literally just goes through the universe, and my man Space Racer has to just hope any planet it goes through is like in like the uh uninhabited. He's wild. That's literally how that shit works, according to the writer of the show. So now it made more because I was kind of tight. I was just like, why this nigga not just fletting off on these dudes? But every time he shoots that, he has to think that this thing could destroy a planet that people are living on. Yep. So that's actually pretty dope. But um another thing that was uh very interesting to me, if we can go into the the backstory of the Vilchamites, and this is where I think me and you would have a little uh disagreement about certain things or or notice different things. So I didn't realize that the strongest nigga is not the leader. That's what I always thought about the Vilchamites. So that kind of was as interesting to me. It's like it's not leadership by might, it's leadership by bloodline. Because I kept asking myself, why is his name not Emperor Thrag? Why is it still Grand Regent? It went from Regent to Grand Regent, they mentioned it though. Yeah, no, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So the the the show did a really good job at kind of like changing my perspective of the Viltramites and how their society is. Um, but again, a knock on Thrag when he did assume the position, pause. Um, I didn't like how there was no rhyme or reason to his own, like he's getting on uh Thaddeus about genociding his own people, yeah, but he literally genocided his own people too. And how when he just had them killing each other with no rhyme, there was no rhyme or reason either. It wasn't like it wasn't like yo, these guys are the traitors and these guys aren't. Because when he stopped conquest, how did at least they didn't express enough how did he know that this was it? This is enough people that y'all killed. Because his nap was dumb. You see, like that was my that was my knock on that. It's like for a guy that's so like I love my people, and also he does not seem at least how he was being portrayed, like he's not just building a ship while he's flying. It seems like and it's it's just a really good way of showing you how an ideology is so powerful because Thrags, that's not even his ideology. That's another that's another guy's what's the what's that Arco? So Argol. So then the the I don't know if the show did this on purpose as well, and you can you know give me your retort or agreement or disagreement. When they were talking about we gotta find Argyl's heirs, it pointed to Nolan's Pops. Exactly. So I'm thinking how this shit is gonna end because I did spo I got two gigantic spoilers that I I don't think I'm gonna have to use when we speak later about the whole Viltromite versus Saiyan thing. But I got two gigantic spoilers. I was so pissed at myself because I don't like spoilers. It's gonna force me to just have to read after the last episode that comes out. I'm just gonna read the whole thing and just spoil myself because I saw two spoilers, but I think that, and this is not a spoiler, this is my opinion. And I you know another thing I hate this is like meta commentary. I hate when um people in this field that like they get the stuff early and they pretend that they didn't, so they they look like geniuses when they they they they uh Oh yeah. I'm not I'm not doing that right now. I uh we don't have any advance anything. I don't I think I and this is not a spoiler that I saw, but I think how this whole thing goes down is um Nolan is of the Argyle um It's very obvious Yeah, he's of the Argyle bloodline, and they're gonna end up either him or Mark is gonna be the the leader of whatever filter mites are left. That's how I see this thing ended. So just to go back to my point, yeah, I just don't understand how a guy that's so principled on my people, my people, at least they did not give us a rhyme or reason to who the first nigga he killed was black off rip. I didn't like that.
SPEAKER_03Something like that didn't sit right back.
SPEAKER_02Then the the out of the four kids outstanding there, they jumped the black dude. They stomped the black kid out.
SPEAKER_03So I'm just like, wait, what's why they choosing? What's the name of the writer? I'm watching it.
SPEAKER_02Robert Kirkman.
SPEAKER_03Yo, the only person who's saving y'all right now is my man um, what's his name? Starts with a Steve Harvey? Steve Harvey. Steve Harvey been cooking people from day one.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's a gangster. He got his arm messed up. He's a weak. He was just like, who cares? And Thaddeus tried to like, come on, bro. Like, this is the problem with y'all.
SPEAKER_03He was choking Thaddeus out, actually, before when the planet's choking Allen out, my bad.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so yeah, the the the planet busting feet, I liked it a lot. Um, there was a lot of controversy about it because in terms of what? Okay, so people are like, okay, so in the show, and this is like a little like when I was doing my research. So the in the show, they don't explain that the the gun is what did most of the damage, like that's what destabilized the planet. They were just like opening it up. Yeah, so but in the show, it just looks like it gave them a path. But in reality, the gun did a majority of the heavy lifting. I thought that was obvious.
SPEAKER_03Um because you saw in front of them when they were going, they were following it. Yeah, that's why he told them go in front and shoot. It's obvious.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but that's that's just the people out there complaining about they didn't like that the show didn't do enough explanation. Because you know, some people like their hands held. Let me let me just say something.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you're right. This generation definitely needs a handsheld. Like some things you can see and they'll show you, but I guess we're in an era where you have to tell everyone everything.
SPEAKER_02It's obvious to me.
SPEAKER_03But anyway.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so how do you feel about my critique of that purge that he did?
SPEAKER_03Um, so there's two things I wanted to say. Um, there's always gonna be a flaw in an ideology that's rooted in, you know, strength. Because you have to now you have to now assess strength. And for him taking over, and anyone knows this is rule um 48 Laws of Power, anyone who's who knows anything, is when you take over something, you do have to make sure that everyone's on on your time, and you sometimes have to get rid of a lot of people. So he let everyone know this is based off of strength. So the black dude was weak. He had he must have had something prior to this is the part where they they didn't explain it, it just looks bad to me. That looks horrible to me. Yeah, like remove like I know I think you're lying.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we're just joking about the whole race thing, but remove the race. Like, I just didn't get enough of what is what's the criteria.
SPEAKER_03So why he did that in terms of killing that person, but not going to leave the race out of it, was to show them what I mean when I say I don't believe you. Yeah. So I'm gonna leave that up to y'all. Purge the weakness out of us. So everyone just started fighting on site, and those who survived clearly are the shortcuts.
SPEAKER_02But then some people was teaming up and shit. I didn't like that. Like niggas were getting- Oh, I seen a guy get ripped apart. Yeah, like so like why how did those two people choose, like, oh, this guy's weak.
SPEAKER_03If that's my girl, then we're killing everyone. Yeah, but okay. I'm gonna go with that. But I understand, like, you're right, it's just a matter of getting rid of it.
SPEAKER_02I would have I would have liked that to be a little fleshed out more because then I would have been a little bit more not sympathetic, but a little bit more understanding of this guy just wants the best of his for his people. Because on the flip side, at the at towards the end of the fight, he he he kind of like does this a similar thing. And I understand why the nigga with the one eye was kind of like confused because he's like, yo, kill them. It's like, nah, we're gonna need them. Like, I I get it because Mark is strong, Nolan is strong, but it's like, look how many of us this guy just took care of. Like, he might know something.
SPEAKER_03Okay, that's fair. Also, okay, that's fair. Okay, he might know something. Okay, that's fine that we're gonna find out about later. But I do again, this is that balance of, and this is what makes Thrager more interesting character now, is because now you see like this guy can be completely ruthless, he has the power to really be ruthless, but there's still an element of him. Because remember, when he when Thaddeus was talking his talk at the end, like, yeah, we blew up your planet, y'all could bow or get down or whatever, and Thaddeus opened up that ashway and said, He was crying. Yeah, tears is crying. And then we could laugh. Let this guy laugh. He was crying. But when you see somebody who got it like that, and they crying, you're in trouble. You're in trouble, dude.
SPEAKER_02He still cried, dude.
SPEAKER_03He ran through immediately after that. He got he restored his aura because he went through before Thaddeus could do anything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he split took his head off. He blitzed him.
SPEAKER_03Say, y'all are next pop.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that was that was hard. I do owe Thrag an apology. I'm gonna say that straight up. Um, I don't remember I owe him an apology. Jump to his face. I thought he was a fraud. Um, but he's off of Fraud Watch, but I got a new contender for Fraud Watch. Who's this? Yeah, they're not gonna like it either. Alan. No. This is Battle Beast. He's on Fraud Watch. They well, now hold on. I read a little bit ahead on that. Yeah, now hold on. So this is why I'm putting him on Fraud Watch for me personally, because from season one, like episode seven or something, all I kept seeing in every thread, every comment was Battle Beast. Y'all gotta, y'all, y'all, y'all think this shit is fire? Wait till Battle Beast show up. Wait till Battle Beast show up. Oh, you think this nigga tough? Wait till Battle Beast show up. And I'm just like, and then we finally see him, and the first introduction to Battle Beast, he's fighting street level niggas. Well he packs Mark up. And Nolan kind of like ducked the smoke a little bit, and but he packed Mark up. So but then at that point in the show, everybody's packing Mark up. Yeah, Mark was whacking. And then the other niggas that he was fighting, he was fighting around with the the fucking the dragon niggas and like like why is like these are street level guys like for him.
SPEAKER_03He came there looking for well, someone had brought him. I think it was one of those guys that Machine Head might have brought him here. Someone brought him there. You know, like why is a nigga like Machine like head could even speak to a person like Battlebeast. Battle Beast, if you tell him, all you gotta do is say, yo, listen, Battle Beast, I know somebody who's a fire warrior. He's like, all right, I'm about it. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02That's fair, but I was just like, that was my introduction to him, and I was just like, This is the nigga y'all talking about? Nah, he's so then now I'm like, okay, we about to do this. The nigga nigga can't fly.
SPEAKER_03That's the problem. He's in space fighting. He's already at a disadvantage.
SPEAKER_02He got a jetpack on and a gas mask. But then I seen him survive in in space. So I'm just like, okay. And then he don't, he didn't. In the episode prior, he did kill Viltermit's one-on-one. So I know he's capable of doing that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But the stuck, I'm telling you, the amount of gas they was giving this guy. I'm removing Thrag. My apologies, salute captain, Grand Regent, whatever they call you, salute. He's he's certified. He's a he's a G. I respect this game. He's gonna go up there. He got a lot of work to do to crack the top 50 villains of all time. But I think he could do it. Oh, yeah. I think he could do it. I think he could do it. I I genuinely think he could do it. But um, Battle Beast, he's on the fraud watch for me.
SPEAKER_03That's that's fine. I'm not gonna argue with you. I just know that he's not he's not a fraud. Let's put it that way. Okay. In this battle, you know, they had to, you know, they had to let you see that thrag was him. And the next battle you're gonna get to see that Battle Beast is him.
SPEAKER_02So the episode ends, and I already got a Battle Beast spoiler. So uh the episode ends with Mark knowing that Oh, they go on Earth. So I thought what was gonna happen was they go back to Earth and we get a time skip of Mark, like, yo, listen, there's this dude outside, his name is Thrag. We gotta get everybody ready, yo, yo, Cecil, we gotta I that's what I thought was gonna happen. I didn't know we was about to go from Thrag is this unstoppable force to now he's going to home front.
SPEAKER_01So there's I I just don't see how they what do they do to make me understand the big break they're about to take between the next season?
SPEAKER_02Because if Thrag shows up, that seems like usually with these bad guys, there's like three fights. This the first fight, which this the fight that we see in this episode is technically the second one. He didn't fight, but this is like his second appearance now. So now that we in episode eight, that's gonna be his third appearance. So how many more times am I gonna see Thrag fight? So it's like don't I don't want too much thrag now. Pause. Like, don't oversaturate the dude.
SPEAKER_03Uh it depends. If if we are now entering another phase of Invincible, then you might see Thrag a little more. And if to me at least, if you really want to write a really well written villain in this case, you gotta let Thrag smoke a few more people, like on some, like they're not coming.
SPEAKER_02That that's true because he everybody really besides a guy that we didn't really care about. I cared about Thaddeus. No, I like Thadius a lot. He's up, he's like top four Virtua for me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, this was uh I think this was a display of his strength. And first of all, let me just highlight the fact that he punched Nolan to the planet and then punched Nolan back into space. I'm done talking to you. Go back up there. That was fine. That's crazy. But and the punch was a bringing him close.
SPEAKER_02And Nolan's defense, though, my man kind of ate that. That's fine.
SPEAKER_03He ate that. He's Nolan.
SPEAKER_02Now Nolan is tougher than people realize. Before this fight, Nolan was the number one Veltromite for me.
SPEAKER_03100%.
SPEAKER_02I niggas is talking about this Conquest shit. Conquest cool and all, but he got beat by Mark. Mark not beating Nolan. Not right now, no. Mark is not beating Nolan. So for me, Conquest, he dropped down because they was Jackie. He's number one. Obviously, the whole big bag, Thrag. Yeah. But I don't have him on the list yet. So it was Conquest, Nolan, Invincible, and Kid Omni. Well, I'll put a lot of those marks before Kid Omni, but. Who's Kid Omni? You talking about Oliver? Yeah. I don't want to hear about Oliver. I'll put some marks in front of him.
SPEAKER_03This dude is a joke to me.
SPEAKER_02For me, Nolan was number one. Thrag is clearly number one. So I don't got Conquest number two, though.
SPEAKER_03No, no, he's not. I think that um Nolan. Wait, wait, they did they sparred a little bit. They fought a little bit. Who? Nolan and Conquest.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, when uh It was short, though. Yeah, it was quick, but I think I think he packs him up, bro. I ain't gonna hold you. I can see, yeah. I don't I don't see the the Conquest thing. Get him out of here.
SPEAKER_03Conquest liked Nolan, so that tells me he knew that he was strong. Everyone knew about it. Um Thrag even said he said people fought next to you, bro.
SPEAKER_02Like they know what you about. Another thing that they did in the past, they said that my son Thaddeus, he was the strongest on that team. And and Thrag was on that team, but he was obviously not not uh old yet. Now they said he was the strongest? This is read something before Thrag said it in the episode. He was like, I don't think he said strongest. He did. He said when we was in our whatever He was a vicious warrior. He was like, yo, he was the strongest one there. And he was part of that group. Unless he was excluding himself from the conversation, which is possible. I gotta rewatch the group. Yeah, he's he literally said it. Because he said it. But remember, that was him like before he remembered they get stronger as age. Yeah, but also Thaddeus got older. Well, he wasn't fighting regularly, he's now living Cush life. Yeah, so that I find that that was very interesting. So who wins between uh Thaddeus and Nolan? Nolan. Okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Um Thadis is a he's a G, but Nolan is one of them ones. I'm I'm sorry. And it comes from that bloodline alleged. We don't know yet.
SPEAKER_02I think so.
SPEAKER_03I think so.
SPEAKER_02I think they they panned his pops.
SPEAKER_03Also, they had the little cleft chin thing with that guy, Nolan. I was like, mmm, I see it now. Um but yeah, you're right. They did pan.
SPEAKER_02They panned to his pops, like straight up. Like, oh, that's Nolan's dad. He looks just like him.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Is that Nolan's dad, though? It has to be. Or is it Nolan? No, no. I think Nolan will be too. No, no, it wasn't the the time skip for that wasn't that far apart. No, but that was pre-u-Purge. Pre-Purge and Nolan couldn't have been couldn't have been that old. They said that it wasn't that long. I said a little bit after that, then the virus came. Nolan was already.
SPEAKER_02That could have been him.
SPEAKER_03That might have been Nolan straight up. Okay.
SPEAKER_02I I felt like it was just possible. Somebody's gonna correct me.
SPEAKER_03And I think his father had a mustache too.
SPEAKER_02Well, that was the young dad, though.
SPEAKER_03Nah, I think that was Nolan, bro.
SPEAKER_02Okay, we'll see.
SPEAKER_03I think Nolan survived the purge. Nolan's again.
SPEAKER_02I like Nolan still, like he's my favorite, Village Might, but I know Thragonstrong.
SPEAKER_03Nah, nah. In terms of the character, Nolan's my favorite because the same thing Zobby thinking he should say. Who are you talking about? Nolan's my favorite. Yeah, but why? You laughed. I'm about to tell you. Because every once in a while, when somebody gets crazy with him, he looks at them like, yo, watch your mouth. Again, big watch your mouth energy from Nolan. Even with his wife, he's like, yo, who are you talking to like this? Like, you know who I am? There was a scene. It was in episode one when he had episode two, where he um he had gotten, he played like he got beat up by the like by whatever assailant attack, the guardians of the globe. Yeah, like he was one of the ones who got hurt. He came out of the hospital and it was a lady, and he was like, Yo, I need my suit, I need it now. Hurry up, go get it right now. Like he's talking to her crazy. That's the type of person he is. He was. He was. He is. He was because he looked at Oliver like, because one time Oliver was getting mouth with him. He looked at Oliver and Invincible looked as far like show show.
SPEAKER_02He was. I'm gonna tell you right now, Nolan. Again, I prefi preface this with saying that that's my guy. That's my guy. He gotta lose points on the dad front for me though. Why over the Oliver thing? Yeah, he knows what he know, he's one of the few people there. Like Thaddeus don't give a shit about uh nobody. He don't he would prefer all of y'all to die. So I I understand why he was like, oh no, bring him, bring all the Phil Schmidtes. But that's that's your son. Those two niggas is your children. And if I'm him, I don't think I bring I definitely don't bring Oliver to the drag fight. No, but then Oh, to the drag fight. To the drag fight. I don't bring him to the fight. You can't stop Oliver. No, you definitely that's bad parenting. You can't stop Oliver. You see how Oliver moves? So I break his arm. I break his leg. He would have flew through. No, I would have put him in that tank. I would have done the not. I seen I seen niggas in animes. I like do it. Oliver don't listen to no. That's all I'm gonna say. I seen niggas in animes that I don't like.
SPEAKER_03I love love. I see niggas in animes begging their son to fight. And he's like, nah, I want to go to school and great say him in. So exactly.
SPEAKER_02But the dad I'm talking about is a different dad. He gotta lose points.
SPEAKER_03He gotta lose points. How you lose points for um not being able to control your son that grows up? Absolutely. Absolutely. No, Oliver listened to nobody. That's bad parenting. Oliver doesn't listen to him.
SPEAKER_02You know what would make him a great dad? Because the only person Oliver listens to is his dad.
SPEAKER_03But he didn't he wasn't there to build that rapport. That's bad parenting. That's his fault. That's the part of the writing, though. That's all right. He got first of all when he was on Thorax, whatever that cut that planet was with the you know, the purple. The bugs? The bugs with the bodies. Whoa, whoa, what are you talking about? They have pictures of the bug bodies things.
SPEAKER_02Nah, I seen him. I just didn't know you was on that time.
SPEAKER_03I'm not saying I'm just saying they have bodies that adjust him.
SPEAKER_02He likes bugs.
SPEAKER_03Sure, that lobster was cute. Anyway. But no, um, he when he was there, remember the Vilchumarch came and got him. Okay. It wasn't like he was like, oh, I'm leaving Oliver. Yeah, no, I didn't say he was a deadbeat.
SPEAKER_02I didn't say he was a deadbeat.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but like he's only had a few months with his.
SPEAKER_02You gotta lose points, dog. I'm sorry. And I love Nolan, but you gotta lose points. You could take points. I'm not even gonna hold you. I don't know if I let Mark fight. Knowing what I know about Thrag. Because at one of the dope parts was when he was like, So dad, like, well, how do we beat this guy? He was nigga, we don't. So if you knew that this was a possibility, I don't even bring them. Honestly. I find something else for them to do. You don't let them bring them up.
SPEAKER_03Well, it happens one or two ways. Either you go there and fight Thrag, or Thrag comes to wherever you're at and fights you.
SPEAKER_02Uh listen, I'll get them niggas ready at home.
SPEAKER_03And then you'll the same thing will happen. Nah, you have to get things seriously.
SPEAKER_02There's mad uh humans, I could just throw it there.
SPEAKER_03You mean humans fight Thrag?
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_03No, the difference is I'm gonna throw some uh Listen, let me do a little call back to it was episode two again of um Invincible, where Nolan went to the Flaxen's world. He went through the portal and he said, I hope y'all don't I hope I don't think y'all understand that Earth is not yours to conquer. He smoked an entire civilization. And if you think Thrag is not gonna come to Earth and y'all wanna fight me, all right, I got you. I'm gonna kill everyone and leave just a bunch of females for me to breed on.
SPEAKER_02And that's but that's what I'm saying. Like, so I need I need them to go back home and prepare. I need that montage.
SPEAKER_03They gotta train with a train with Nolan. I mean their peak is gonna be Nolan.
SPEAKER_02Adam e no, but if you got 15 Nolans, who these 15 Nolans? We could find them on Earth? Nigga, they got shit going on at Earth. Earth is is popping. This nigga's like a flyer Earth. A mortal retirement. I ain't gonna talk about that nigga. That nigga. He's he's actually one of the people that's gonna simp. He's gonna damage y'all here. He's gonna damage y'all in this next conversation.
SPEAKER_03It's fine, let's go to him.
SPEAKER_02He's gonna damage y'all.
SPEAKER_03Oh, one last thing before we go to that, actually. Um, I just want to again highlight, like, and this is gonna actually come up in the next conversation, but yeah, this is why the Vilchamites and Thrag are so vicious, is because even in the face of extinction, they just watched their planet blow up. Thaddeus, again, Thaddeus, was talking his talk. And when Thrag opened up that astro that asteroid and killed him, he said, I choose death. That's the warrior's mantra, all the way back to 300 with the Spartans. That's how Battle Beast sees life. That's how the top warriors, emperors, monsters think. Like, yo, the choice is to serve or to bow down. I choose death every time was pop. Killmonger. I think that's into the ocean.
SPEAKER_02I think that is a loser's mentality. It's not a loser's mentality. It means I'm gonna fight into the ocean. Every nigga that does that loses. You gotta smoke me. That's always been my mindset.
SPEAKER_03On a football field, whatever. It's it you just gotta beat me. That's how it goes.
SPEAKER_02What happens to live live to fight another day? And then I'm gonna tell you something, right? Did you watch this show? That's that's your opinion, that's fine. Um, did you watch the show? Um, damn, it was about samurai's. I forgot the name of the show. Is it a um it was popping? It came out like last year. What is the name of the show? It was a samurai show, right? And the whole show, the the head samurai dude, he played chicken the whole show. He got captured, like his his son is out here while his son's get his son gets killed. He his best friend kills himself because you know that's their in their thing, because he's just waiting. He's they let he he showed himself as Meek and it never sho it shows you the battle for like three seconds, but he wins, he he takes over all of Japan. Okay. Just by pure strategy, by by like losing. He lost, he lost the whole show. Like the whole because I'm sitting here the whole show, like, damn, this nigga, because I know that it's a real it's based on a real guy. And it's like, yo, he takes over Japan. Like, how does he do that by doing all this, like getting himself captured, letting him let letting his his his he's losing everybody?
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02And I just think there's strategy. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03And we we're gonna talk about this strategy, but then there's if you build your your your uh your image and your your empire on power, I think that's but I think that's dumb, honestly. It depends.
SPEAKER_02No, of course everything is.
SPEAKER_03In the context of the Vilchamis, we've been number one forever. Like, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_02That's why I'm that's why I agree with Thaddeus. You gotta get us out of the paint. No, I think I think what Thadis was doing would have had their empire last forever. I agree.
SPEAKER_03I'm not disagreeing, but I'm saying in the context of what they've been doing, they didn't have to do it anymore.
SPEAKER_02Like they literally could have just subjugated these people through, hey, kindness, like not not even kindness, not even kindness. It's just that we we are blessed to be stronger than all of y'all. Right. Y'all are aware of this. The only reason why y'all are revolting is because of we look at y'all as sub-viltromite, because they're not human. Yeah. If we just looked at y'all as like we're stewards to y'all, this would not be happening. That's that that was his point. Someone's always gonna be like, nah, we don't want you stewarding us no more. I'm not rolling with that. I'm not rolling with that. Someone's always gonna say we don't want you stewarding us. No, but okay, so granted, right? In those scenarios, then you know how to take care of those people. But those people were attacking them.
SPEAKER_03Oh, so you think he's gonna be able to smoke one person and they're gonna be like, all right.
SPEAKER_02No, no, no. That civilized, look what they did was let's kill 25% of them. And if and if they don't, if they don't accept that, then we don't eradicate all of them. I agreed with that, but the first message should have been like, before we even got to that, was like, no, you guys are people. Yeah, we're we're better than you, but you guys are people. So if they started there, yeah, no, I think I think that's fair. Uh I mean, all right, okay. But that's just me. That's just how I if if if the goal is to have Viltrumike Viltrum be the the the keepers of the galaxy, I don't think you do that through power because you already have the we already know you're powerful.
SPEAKER_03There will always when you are powerful in position, and this is all in the context of that world. Yeah. Or, you know, most most yeah, most of these stories. Yeah. If you are powerful, right, and you lead with um being kind or being too diplomatic up front without showing and exemplifying power, people will try to do that.
SPEAKER_02But they did that already for thousands of years, dog.
unknownThey were doing all right.
SPEAKER_02No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03If Nolan doesn't go to Earth, this yo, they just take over. Nah, I disagree. But the 50 they had, they would if Nolan fulfilled his mission and goes back like yo, Earth. Matter of fact, okay, that's fair. When they looked in all the other multiverses and they did that, what happened? That's social mice took over. Yeah, that's only because of Nolan, it's only because of Mark, really. No, it's Mark, yeah. Or maybe the mom, I don't know. But the that's no, it's it's it's humanity.
SPEAKER_02Humanity, and that's that's that's across all media because we're this these stories are being written by us. Yeah, so it's us. That's why it's a common theme. Yeah, but I do like that theme because to me, I I don't the real world is is dark and nasty, but I do truly believe that there are good people. I and the minority goodness has to win. Yes. Eventually. And that's what all these stories are about. And I think that that is an allegory for what we're living in right now. If you look at our world right now, evil is winning. But 100%. I think even they know that they're time that that check has to be cashed. Yes. And when it does, goodness is what's gonna get them out of there. Not something, oh yeah, a more evil thing. It's you know, it's goodness.
SPEAKER_03All it takes is one act of kindness or one kind person, one good person. To change to change everything. That's what happened with Nolan. He was like, yo. All right, let's go.
SPEAKER_02At least we can agree there.
SPEAKER_03Yo, 100%. I hear what you're saying. Okay, again, it was running on the business. All the universes of all the other marks came through and were like, over here, we took over the earth.
SPEAKER_02And them niggas is dweebs. They got packed up. Hold on, hold on.
SPEAKER_03Before we move on. All right.
SPEAKER_02Tech jacket. That's her name.
SPEAKER_04Tech jacket.
SPEAKER_02Tech Jacket. Come on down, girl. Come get your prize. Hold on. For what? Tell you in a second. You ain't gonna show us our pack in that market. Tech Jacket, she gets the sixth woman of the year award. She is the Draymond Green of that squad. Oh, she was the best support. Yeah. Because hold on. I'm gonna tell you two ways. I like this. Go ahead. I'm gonna show you two ways why. First of all, whatever she was shooting into them niggas, Alan was cleaning that up. That was like assist, dunk. That was Chris Paul, Blake Griffin they had going on. That was easy. He was shocked when he did that. He was like, whoa, keep shooting those things, right? Then when they packed, they tried to pack up Space Racer, his ship broke, he was about to die. I thought he was done. I thought he was finished too. And if that would have, if he would have been finished, then the planet would have still been there. She came, she healed my son. And he was able to kill a couple more, and he he helped blow up the planet. So for her, I'll give it a six. She redeemed herself. You know what you're right? Now she's but you see the problem is they painted her like she was not a support role. They painted her like she was gonna be packing people. Right. Her job was support.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02Her job was straight support. And if we would have known that going in, then we wouldn't have had all this expectation for her. 100%.
SPEAKER_03That's how I look at it. I like that. I can't disagree because again, they said, oh, she she took care of one of the marks, which I was like, okay, show me.
SPEAKER_02I think in the comic, she he, because he's a boy in the comic, he killed two marks. That's Browl.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. So now I'm like, all right, well, I expect you to kill at least three of these. Yeah. And I get there and she's running. Alan's constantly saving. It almost made her and Alan just major liabilities in fights to me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know what I'm saying? But I do, you you're right. She was on that support wave. She was shooting them them poisons from some insect and then also um healing space race with them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that was that was huge. That was big. And my man Space Racer, he gotta get some too. He's up. Yeah, we brought them um those things. Yeah. Those things is chewing them niggas up, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, ripping people open. That's tough. So how many uh villager matches are left now, bro? If you just had to guess? I think it's six. If you want to add in uh Nolan and Mark, I don't count Oliver.
SPEAKER_02I'm not counting them niggas.
SPEAKER_03Oh, so it's six. It's Thrag and five others. Um How many seasons is show gonna have? To me, it looks like next season is it. Nah, they're gonna stretch it out because it's about money. I think that um remember they have these stupid fillers, too. Like Nah, that's gonna ruin the whole thing. It would ruin it, but that's what they do. I don't want to talk about hell or another character we forgot about is a guy with the shock powers down on earth. There's a lot of un you know That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02No, you don't think under Nolan's tutelage, that guy can't be up there? He killed a Mark II. Yeah, but he's a little he's too crazy. Nolan. Nolan could work with that.
SPEAKER_03Nolan. Nolan is Phil Jackson. Nolan was slapped his dog. Nah, Nolan's Phil Jackson. He might maybe. They could try, but all I'm saying is that all it takes for this to be over with is for Thrack to pop out on Earth with his um with his six other people and be like, yo, listen, we're killing all the males and we finna breed.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so that's your prediction for next episode?
SPEAKER_03No, I don't think he goes to Earth to do that.
SPEAKER_02So what's your prediction for next next episode?
SPEAKER_03The next episode or just like the next phase?
SPEAKER_02No, next episode.
SPEAKER_03I think they're gonna try to go to Earth and he's not gonna be there. I think he's gonna be uh on.
SPEAKER_02Oh, so Marcus is wrong.
SPEAKER_03I think he's wrong. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Cause I was gonna ask you, like, why does Mark assume he's going to Earth?
SPEAKER_03I think Mark, I think if I'm thinking like Thrag and at least coming back to win, I'm thinking that he he goes to uh to uh what's his name's planet? Two to um Oliver's mind. How would he know about the planet? Because he knows what Oliver's. They they went and got a big thing. Oh, I forgot that.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes, they got him for.
SPEAKER_03So they know, like, oh, this this is the baby? He moved mad fast. And that's the bugs of the body. The bugs, the bugs of the body. That's what we like. I didn't say all that. I'm just asking. I'm just acknowledging they do have bodies.
SPEAKER_02I'm asking, dog.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_02That's all you have to say. I just asked.
SPEAKER_03But if y'all go take a look and see, you might have a different answer than me. But the point is Bugs with the body. Bugs with the bodies. But the point is, I think that he goes there and tries to uh to build off of that because remember, those kids grow up really fast. So he can build an army real fast.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I think that's fair. And um cool. Um why didn't they just start a breeding program once Mark was born and showed powers?
SPEAKER_03Um that was that was the the switch because Nolan's job was to go to their earth and see if they're compatible breeding wise.
SPEAKER_02He did.
SPEAKER_03So if the kid doesn't show any signs, then he's like, mission failed, I'm out of here.
SPEAKER_02But he showed signs and Anissa pulled up. That was later. Yeah. So after she pulled up, testing them out, why didn't they just oh yeah, let's just like Nolan not doing his job. We can just kill Nolan and um Conquest came later and was like, yo, we had a mission for you.
SPEAKER_03But look how long that took. There's only 50 of them. They have that man. Why Thrag didn't just go? Thrag's the leader. You don't send the leader to do that. No, absolutely not. Come on, who are you talking about? You know this.
SPEAKER_02I'm slipping.
SPEAKER_03You could try, but Nolan, the whole switch of the show is. He's talking about breeding. About breeding.
SPEAKER_02When Nolan came eventually. I would have got it first.
SPEAKER_03If I was him, I just would have been like, yo, Anisi, you're assigned to me. All right, first of all. You're not going there for Mark. I'm dealing with you. Okay. But I would have sent all the males to Earth to do what they have to do.
SPEAKER_02I'm I'm scared.
SPEAKER_03But Nolan never reported to them that they were, you know, viable. They just came looking for Nolan. Like, what happened? You know what I'm saying? But the the twist in the show is as soon as Invincible shows powers, you see Nolan's demeanor change.
SPEAKER_02The whole thing changes. That was such a great, great, great. And the animation, listen. Smoke the Guardians of the Globe. The and I'm gonna talk to you about that. He didn't he didn't smoke them. We're gonna we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk. I just watched this yesterday. Yeah, I be I yo, listen, I've been doing a lot of research, though. You gotta fight for your life. A lot of research. All right. I think this is okay. Let's start. So this is the part of the podcast where we had I don't even want to call this a debate. I just want to call this a discussion. Discussion. Just a quick discussion. Not even a quick one, a detailed discussion about well, what is it about? What because you kind of proposed it to me, and I want to break down what we are actually discussing.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so I'm gonna say firstly where my first statement and mindset was. Okay. It gradually changed. Number one, I said that the difference between the Dragon Ball, the Saiyans of Dragon Ball slash Dragon Ball Z, that universe, yes, and the strength and power of the Viltromites in the Invincible Universe, it's not that much of a difference. Like there's not this, oh my god, Saiyans just cook Viltrumites. Okay. I believe we still empower.
SPEAKER_02And we stop right there. Because that's our first discussion. And people think. That's our first discussion.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Listen. I think that after seeing Drag. I understand why you feel that way. But I don't think you understand. How strong.
SPEAKER_02So what do you think that average who's the average Vilcher Might? The average Vilcher Mite to me. Have we seen this person or like? Yes. Because I want a baseline. Let's just do a baseline. Quick baseline.
SPEAKER_03I would say the average Vilcher Might would be um Steve Harvey.
SPEAKER_02That's the average Vilcher Mite. Yeah. That nigga's a beast. So okay, if we're gonna use him as the baseline, okay.
SPEAKER_03Who's the average Saiyan?
SPEAKER_02The average Saiyan to me is Raditz.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02That is the average Saiyan. Actually, no. He's Bardock's son, right? Okay. No. He's he's not NAPA is actually stronger than Raditz. That's fine. This is not gonna help you. That's fine. I think we should stay with Raditz. You can go with Raditz if you want. Let's just stay with Raditz, right? So to me, Raditz is the average Saiyan. He can't create his own moon, because only elite Saiyans can do that. So he can't. The Uzaru attack only can happen on the two occasions for him specifically. Saiyans of his class, specifically. If they go into the atmosphere, because there's no phases of the moon when you're in the atmosphere. The moon is just there. So automatic transformation available to them if that happens.
SPEAKER_03In space.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. In the atmosphere. There's just a wild monkey in space. No, no, no. They have full control of themselves. They're not wild monkeys.
SPEAKER_03I didn't see Goku who was always wild on the kids.
SPEAKER_02No, no, because he was a kid. There were kids. Okay. Not adults. They were kids. So secondly, is if obviously the moon is just there.
SPEAKER_01So that's the only two occasions, right? Raditz has the power to absorb a moon-destroying attack. Okay. And it did not harm him. Piccolo.
SPEAKER_02The same attack Piccolo used to blow off the moon, he used it on Raditz point blank. And Radit was like, yo, go because remember, Radis didn't go to Earth to kill Goku. He went there to ask Goku, what's going on? What's taking so long?
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And then he was just like, Why are you dressed like that? Like, look, stupid. What is this thing you're doing? Like who's this green nigga? Like that that that's what that was that whole thing was about. Very similar. So Yeah. Yeah, it's always I'm telling you.
SPEAKER_03This is why you can't compare it to it.
SPEAKER_02But again, yeah, but so respectfully, I think that the average saying, if he's Raditz, is the same. I think Raditz and Thrag are in the same strength category.
SPEAKER_03That's fine that you think that. Yeah, no, this is just both of our opinions. These are the caveats you have to consider again. Just just just raw power. So we have to measure it based on I say we measure based on the source or the nucleus of this whole thing, which is humans. And humans have challenged Saiyans multiple times throughout the world. Give me an example of that. Again, the Krillin and Dragon and um in a Goku thing where he's he's Goku blue and he's fighting with Krillin. Obviously, you know, like he's not trying to kill him, they're friends, they've been sparned since they were kids. Yeah. That's one caveat.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_03But my thing is this, regardless of Krillin's level, if this human can go blow for blow with you on a fighting level, there can't be that much difference in strength. Whereas in the the world of Invincible, yeah, there is no human who can take even the slightest blow from nose correct. Or invincible if he decides to like, I'm trying to like, even if we're sparring, if I go too hard, I can kill you.
SPEAKER_02I can kill you, which is the same case for Saiyans. But this is my counter-argument to that.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02What you're leaving out is you're comparing American animation to Japanese animation. Sure, yeah. Japan. Japan has this thing called qi or ki. That's like saying if in the Western world that if aliens came down, but this person had a heavenly contract. Like they were.
SPEAKER_03It's heavenly restriction, by the way.
SPEAKER_02That's what's called Yahweh. They were touched by Yahweh. Okay. They would have the ability to fight with an alien. Okay. That's like you saying that that don't make sense to me. That's how a Japanese person is like listening to you, like, wait, that's our God's power. Alright. That's the only reason they're allowed to fight with these aliens. Alright, so Vidella's also touched by she she knows how to use cheat. That's that's all it is. Because that that that is what even so Goku, right? Who's an alien, he can get hit by a rock and it hurts him. He can get shot by a laser and it hurts him. But if he has chi, if he's using his chi, he can be in magma. He can be in the sun, it would never harm him. Alright. Because Chi is that that now I want to admit this to everybody, and this is why I don't like I I think this is an unfair comparison for how grounded the world of um uh Invincible is because it's way Dragon Ball Z, not only is it anime manga, it also started off Dragon Ball as very similar to One Punch Man. We spoke about this off camera, that it was satirical, right? Not not to the extent of One Punch Man, but that was that's that was the bag. Yeah, it eventually changed and got more serious, but shows grow and evolved. So you always have to keep that in mind that Dragon Ball Z, the the scaling there is very wonky. If I wanted to be disrespectful, be disrespectful, go ahead. And I don't want to because Thrag has made me a believer. I don't want to be disrespectful. But if I wanted to be disrespectful, I don't think Thrag, if if I'm putting my my my Dragon Ball Z cape on, which this I don't want to do that for the whole discussion. This is one part.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I don't think Thrag beats Kid Goku. I think he dies. Like Kid Goku kills him.
SPEAKER_03You're talking about Nimbus Kid Goku from Dragon Ball. You're talking about riding Nimbus with a tail?
SPEAKER_02I think, yeah, with his tail. I think he dies to him. I think he dies to Demon King Piccolo. I think he kills him. Because Demon King Piccolo has something that Thrag has never encountered. Something magical. Which is magic. See, that's what I'm talking about. Which is magic. This is why. You know who's also weak to magic? Cool. Superman. This ain't Superman. I'm just letting you know. You know Army Man is definitely based on Superman. He's based on Superman. Nah. He's based on Superman. He's an evil Superman trope. That's what he is. Nah, nah. That's what he is. I believe that because I rock with Nolan. But if you if you you tear down the character.
SPEAKER_03You have no signs of him being weak to magic.
SPEAKER_02So you can't just put it on. No, no, no. I'm not putting it on him. I'm just I'm just showing you like magic is a thing that he would have to deal with. He wouldn't, like, how would he even respond to that? I got you. And I think if I'm being if I'm being like fair, I think Raditz gives him a tough. I can see him beating Raditz. I think that's his match. It can go either way. But saying Saga Vegeta, he doesn't beat Napa and he can't like he can't even sniff Vegeta. Like it's it's just he can't do it. Alright. So that that's my thing. If we're comparing the two races, all right. That that's that argument for me.
SPEAKER_03Alright, so cool with the magic. So um multiple times uh Conquest has referred to Eve as a witch, meaning that whatever she has is borderline magic.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's fair.
SPEAKER_03And he smoked her.
SPEAKER_02Conquest is also not a smart guy. Would you say that?
SPEAKER_03No. I think I don't know if he's smart or not. I do know. What I do know is if you go to battle with him, you better be prepared to die.
SPEAKER_02Do you think he's smart? Would you think I think Drag is smart. I think the Vilchamites. I think the Vilchamites are smart as a race. Yes. I think Conquest is a dummy. I think he didn't know how to He's a dumb strong dude. Yeah, he's a dumb strong dude. Like it's a trope, you know what I'm saying? So I think he called her a witch because he did not know how to, in his brain, describe what getting attacked on an atomic level feels like. That's that's what it was. Like, oh, this is just magic. Because science, when you get bizarre enough, is it's kind of like magic.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but it's not, she was a science project. She is. She's science. Original, original scientists in the world. Oh, like alchemy. Chemists will not.
SPEAKER_02So yeah. So another thing I'll give the Vilchemites as just as a race over the Saiyans is Um Space. They're way better in space.
SPEAKER_04Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02They can they can hold their breaths forever and they can fight in space. They got it. Um, what else would I give them? They're not more durable, but they are better at recovery than Saiyans are.
SPEAKER_03So like no sense who beans needed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's like um Deadpool and Wolverine. I think Rolverine is more dense, like it'll be harder to hurt him. And like I think the Saiyans are harder to hurt, but if you cut, if you like really damage Wolverine, it'll take him forever to recover compared to Deadpool. Deadpool, he's back. Instantaneous. He's back. So that's the comparison I'll say. They definitely have those two things, but I just think when you when you factor in the speed and like the fact that I don't they're Vilch Mites are flying bricks, let's be honest. Flying bricks? Yeah, like they're they're dense flying machines, they're not they're combat prowess, they're like Goku is the best martial artist. That's based on what we see. Yeah, of course, but Goku. In character, in character, uh-huh's the best martial artist in fiction. Who's better in fiction? Um, probably Rock Lee and um guys. Then Goku. Guy Sensei is with peace. Uh if you made all things equal, I think they're in they're in the conversation. Don't get me wrong. Guy Sensei is basically Bruce Lee, bro. Yeah, and Bruce Lee loses to Goku.
SPEAKER_03Well, then I'm gonna I'm going with Naruto because he got that he got that punch where he could hit you without even touching you. Yeah, and then uh Goku got it. And matter of fact, you know, honorable mention, but it's only based off of one scene. But yeah, when I see Magumi piecing up that dude with the receipts.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, he pieced him up. Yeah, nah, you see yo. I I think we're missing that it's the culture. Yeah, how they animated American culture is haymakers. Even that punch that thrag did, that shit was the coolest shit I've seen in a long time. I would say that nigga pulled you to him with a punch. That's gangster. Yeah, but that don't work on a nigga that knows how to fight. No disrespect to Nolan. Like Goku's a martial artist, and I I would I would go with that. Um, and then there's just too many hacks abilities.
SPEAKER_03Hax abilities in what? Dragon Ball?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we have too many abilities. That's the thing. So again, too many weird abilities.
SPEAKER_03We have to measure it based off of the human in the world. Yeah, but the chi, I'm trying to explain to you. I understand that. I thought that was that was gonna work. If you bring those worlds together, then the chi capability either is nullified or it becomes available to the Viltruman. No, it can be. In which case, if they're available, if they can have chi. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02It's not even a battle movie. No, they can absolutely have chi, but you gotta understand, you don't just wake up and know how to use chi. Like, I understand that.
SPEAKER_03That takes where would they learn it from? What I'm saying is if that's a thing in the universe, did the did the um sayings know qi? Yeah, they they they the sayings knew it as a race. Yeah, I don't know what to do.
SPEAKER_02All right, remember the Vilchumai is gonna find it. It's not fleshed out like how it is in um see the the writing of Dragon Ball Z is not as fleshed out as it is.
SPEAKER_03And that's the weakness is why like I can poke holes through Dragon Ball Z. No, of course. They move the goalposts many times. Where it's like, all right, first of all, there's no consequences in Dragon Ball. You die, you should be gone, but you're not, you come back.
SPEAKER_02If you're part of the main crew, yeah. No, and in Dragon Ball, you can't be wished back. Like, you see how the Scourge killed all of them? You can't use you can't wish back a scourge then. That's why they they couldn't wish back Goku when he died from the heart virus. So, how'd he come back? For the heart virus? Yeah, trunks. Timey whimey. What do you mean? Trumps went back and trunks went back and gave Trunks. Yeah, trunks came to the future. And gave it to Goku. And that's the only reason. What are you talking about now? Nah, chill, don't do that. Nah. That shit is fire, bro. The trunk state.
SPEAKER_03He's dead. Yeah, but no. He died by a virus. Whereas Viltramites, you're not gonna kill all of it no one didn't die from that virus.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, of course.
SPEAKER_03He was standing like right in ground in what does he call it?
SPEAKER_02Um Ground Zero. Ground Zero. He was there next to it. Nah, like again, on their face value, the Viltramites are more grounded in reality.
SPEAKER_03They're grounded, more strategic, more intelligent, and their we'll call it their warrior way is way more ingrained in their culture than the Saiyans. The Saiyans bow to Frieza, I get it, Frieza's a monster. No, hold on. But again, that moment, and I'm gonna highlight this again. My man was crying, but he opened up the asteroid and said, I choose death. Frieza has to kill Drag.
SPEAKER_02Period. Let me explain two things to you. Period. Tell me how this would go, in your opinion, because you didn't write the show. Alright. I didn't write Dragon Balls either. Frieza shows up. How does the first interaction go?
SPEAKER_03He's gonna show up like, hello.
SPEAKER_02Frieza's like, hey, I like, I like what you guys are doing. I want y'all to be my. I'm stronger than y'all. How does that go? Does he have to prove it?
SPEAKER_03He's gonna have to prove it.
SPEAKER_02Okay, so he he dismantles Drag. Thrag is on the ground. He doesn't kill him, he just dismantles him. He's on the ground because he can't do nothing with Frieza. What happens after that? I think uh Conquest goes next. Okay, he dismantles him. So when do they realize that okay, this guy is saying he's gonna have to kill everybody? So they're not gonna respect his power.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_02Nah, you see, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03You want to know why? Okay, good. Because I'm not sure who it was. I believe it was it was Stadious who said it. No, it was Stadious who sat at the table arguing with the guy. And he said to Krieg, he's arguing to him. He said, Yo, don't you we respect defiance and rebellion as a people. So when those people rebelled against them, he was acknowledging that we respect this. Okay. So if Frieza shows up, I don't care if you're the rag, whatever. But you're gonna they're gonna respect we our self-respect says you gotta kill all of us.
SPEAKER_02No, but this is my thing. Frieza's not there. Frieza's there to show how strong he is. Right.
SPEAKER_03So he cooked the rag, great. Yeah, so you had to cook conquest first, actually.
SPEAKER_02So they don't respect his power. Like from what you understand about.
SPEAKER_03I didn't get there yet. It's not gonna be ruled. So who's gonna be the king now? He has to kill them, that's a waste.
SPEAKER_02So he's gonna kill all of them. He has to kill all of them. So they would never allow an outside person to be their leader. Based off of what we got from. No, no, no. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair.
SPEAKER_03Well listen, if six of them left and and um Thrag is still talking about I choose that. That's their leader.
SPEAKER_02No, no, I get that, but because they're not giving him another choice. So you're telling me if Nolan beat Thrag, remember, Nolan is a Viltramite. So if he beat Thrag, he's like, no, I don't want to kill y'all, I want to rule. They would follow him. They'll follow Nolan.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so the Viltramite. The Viltramite part. But there's no way if if let's say Allen beat them, yeah, I beat Thra. You gotta kill all of us, boys. Okay, okay. See, I didn't know everything.
SPEAKER_02I didn't know that. Okay, I didn't I didn't know.
SPEAKER_03Where it's saying is they bound. So they don't respect power then. They respect power of their people. They believe they're only the greatest.
SPEAKER_02So once once they're in the face of reality, they they they they can't handle that.
SPEAKER_03No, it's just that's how deep their culture goes.
SPEAKER_02I think that's flawed.
SPEAKER_03I'll give you, I'll give you a callback. The same thing goes back to the Spartans from 300. I don't care what you say, you gotta kill all of us.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but I think that's flawed. Because that's why Sparta was never the number one conquering people in the area. But that's different. That's not our races. Yeah, but our racists.
SPEAKER_03I don't think that's smart for a culture that's tried to be here alongside. Centuries later, who we talking about? 300? Yeah, but that's talking, no one made the the 300 Athenians. We're talking about Spartans.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but if you go back and think about who the the the thinkers are, the greatest minds of our planet, I'm not the Spartans. I'm not I'm I'm more on that side. And the Spartans is type gay, honestly. But that's them.
SPEAKER_03I got a whole nother thing talk about that. They they try to put that on the Spartans because they don't look like the way they told us they look like. But the point is, the point is this it's a warrior class, right? Or a warrior society civilization, and we're comparing to another alleged warrior civilization. Yes. One says it's death, or we we are we're in charge, or it's death. The other one says, claims the same thing, but they they bow to this guy.
SPEAKER_02I think because they respect power.
SPEAKER_03And the reason why Frieza King Vegeta was afraid of Frieza, bro. No, no, it was actually Vegeta was afraid.
SPEAKER_02It was actually the other way around. Vegeta wishes he was dragged. No, it was it was the other way around. How? Do you know why Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta? Because he saw the potential of the Super Saiyan, the legendary. Yeah, he was scared. And Beerisk, the the god of destruction, told him, Yeah, you you can do that.
SPEAKER_03You should probably do that. Oh, that's that extra lore that we get later. Yeah. That's um written after what we saw, what we saw. Yes. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_02That's that's called retcon. Happens all the time. That's why. So you can't do that. Nah, you can't do that. So, like I'm saying, Frieza did that out of it. That was time you wime me. No, but he called it Dragon Ball Z is definitely time you wime me. But no, but but in the original source, got you, he definitely he destroyed them because he was scared of them. That was that was the whole thing. That was fine.
SPEAKER_03That's fine. So he would have definitely destroyed them because at some point he'd be like, these guys are not thinking.
SPEAKER_02No, but you see the difference, and this is what I was gonna tell you about physiology. Viltimites, I did my research, thank God for research. Vilchramite DNA, there's no hybrids.
SPEAKER_03Either Vilchemite or not.
SPEAKER_02No, no. What happens with Vilchamite DNA is like, you see how people are like, yo, could you imagine if a Vilchamite and a Saiyan bread, it don't work like that? That would actually weaken them because Vilchamite DNA overwrites all DNA. So you're never half of anything. Because like there was this whole theory that the reason why Mark is so strong and how he keeps elevating is because um adrenaline from humans. Some adrenaline thing. That's bullshit. No. Mark is strong because of the bloodline he's from. We're gonna figure that out, obviously. Well, I I think I cracked this episode. So this whole idea of um Viltromites getting uh the only way for them to get stronger is by getting older. Right. And then did you notice how Thrag didn't age? He hasn't gotten smoked enough. No, that's not the reason. I did the research on Thrag because I respect this guy a lot. Thrag is actually a eugenics project. Oh, yeah, they bred him to be. He is not he's the outlier of outliers for Viltermites. So there's never gonna be another Thrag.
SPEAKER_03Nah, they have to quit.
SPEAKER_02They would have to do another eugenics program to make Thrag. So like selective breeding, we're talking about? They selectively bred him, like they took the strongest women, strongest feet, and they kept doing it over generations, and then he got special training that all the other Viltramites did not get.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So Thrag was he's like Yao Ming. Yao Ming was created. We think Yao Ming just showed up like that. Now he China like made him. Yao Ming got mad, weakened. Yeah, so so that's another thing where the Saiyans have this thing where their potential is unlimited. And when they bred with humans, it actually made them even more unlimited because Gohan's potential. This is just writing at this point. No, of course this is all writing. All of it is writing. Because that DNA thing with the Vilch Might doesn't make sense. DNA doesn't work like that in real life. What? No DNA overwrites another DNA. No human DNA overwrites another human. No, no, it doesn't.
SPEAKER_03No human DNA overwrites the Vita.
SPEAKER_02No, that's what I'm saying. It's just writing. Yeah, they're not humans. Yeah, it's just, but we don't know that. Like we don't know how DNA works. Vilch might're not human. No, but we don't know how DNA works in the universe. So well, in that universe, they tell you. No, that's what I'm saying. In Dragon Ball Z, it does the opposite, because we're trying to pump up humans. The human DNA in Gohan is what makes him.
SPEAKER_03He also comes from a very exceptional bloodline, too, on his mother's side. You know, you got the um Chi's. What's her father's name?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the the big Browly dude.
SPEAKER_03But they're they're they're they're they're cool. They're they're not normal though. They're not normal humans. No, they are normal. You're better off going with trunks because Boma is intelligent. Chi Chi's not regular. I've seen his I've seen her get slapped out of a house and he was fine. Yeah, they're normal. That's not anime. That's human. It's anime. She has cheese, you know what you say. Oh, and the Saints are not that much stronger than me. If you could slap Chi Chi out of a house, she gets up, comes inside, and sets locals.
SPEAKER_02She can use Chi.
SPEAKER_03You leave you keep leaving that out. That Chi thing is a cheat code.
SPEAKER_02It is, but it's writing, and this is their culture, is what I'm trying to explain to you. So I'm telling you right now. Yeah, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03I seen Goku get beat up by robot. Oh, Android? Yeah, an Android. Like tech jacket? No, like robot. Like tech jacket. Rudy. Oh, even better. He was a robot. Yeah. Yeah, that would've he would have smoked Goku.
SPEAKER_01Who?
SPEAKER_03Because Goku was getting beat up by Android, was that uh 19? Yeah, those those those androids are very powerful. Alright, cool. You got it. Yeah. So then the next. That's what you're losing to. You think.
SPEAKER_02Well, Goku didn't lose to him.
SPEAKER_03Goku was getting beat. He was getting choked out about that.
SPEAKER_02That was Vegeta. Goku didn't lose him.
SPEAKER_03Goku didn't get choked out by.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's when he had the heart virus. That when Trunk showed up and killed him.
SPEAKER_03He had a cold? He had COVID-19.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he had COVID. And he got cured. What am I trying to hear that? And then for me, ultimately, again, I respect Thrag. I respect the Vilchamites. If we're talking about who had a better civilization, Vilcher Mice. 100%. If we're talking about who fits. Nah, nah, nah, nah. You can't even fight with these long things. That's actually to protect yourself. The all-white? They don't need armor. That's another thing.
SPEAKER_03Because they're not fighting nobody. They're fighting each other. They fight anybody. Anybody, any yo, these guys are wearing. You know what I like? Yo, come through.
SPEAKER_02You know what I liked about uh the the the Dragon Ball Z over the the writing on um Invincible?
SPEAKER_03The writing?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Let me hear this.
SPEAKER_02We don't see what the Vilcher Mice look like when they are challenged by an outside race. But when we did the Frieza uh discussion, right? You're just basing this off of how you've seen them acting. We don't know how they would act with with a superior power. Because remember, those reptilians are very strong. They rip through them. No, but they're not sentient.
SPEAKER_03They stand up on two feet. You can't talk to that thing. Oh, you're talking about in terms of talking. The point is that's a good thing. And they packed them. They say we're gonna call it.
SPEAKER_02But that's like that's like you coming to Earth and there's a lion here. That's not something that you have to worry about.
SPEAKER_03No, a lion can beat a human. No, I'm saying, but they can beat them, they can fight them. Yeah, no, humans kill them. Exactly. So they found a way to beat them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but that's not a thing you have to reckon with. You don't have to reckon with lions. We've tame lions. Now if you if you came to Earth. And we beat them. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We took care of them because they're not a they're not a sentient creature. If we came to Earth and there was another population here of people that we had to deal with, it would show our metal. I don't see that with the Vilchramite. I don't know what a Viltrumite looks like when they're facing something strong. So did Drag so did uh the Saiyans until somebody stronger shows up.
SPEAKER_03Well, that's the thing. In their universe, there's someone stronger. The Viltrumites have smoked everything. But to me, that's that's boring. They've been looking, it's not boring. To me, it is. Alright, cool. To you, but the point is in the universes, the Saiyans have been challenged and have lost. I mean, been under the rulership of some horned purple freak. Whereas the Viltramites say, oh, it's us or death, and we have ruled. The only thing that stops us under the Viltrumite.
SPEAKER_02What's gonna happen in poison? What's gonna happen in the end is the empire of Viltram, if they don't change their way, they're so then what's the point of this rah-rah-rah thing if eventually it's gonna get taken over? You gotta beat me. And they're not gonna be gonna get beating taken over.
SPEAKER_03It's gonna be a new Vilchamite.
SPEAKER_02That has a different, a whole different strategy. And to me, you're so your philosophy died.
SPEAKER_03It's not the philosophy, it's a way of life. And I'm not saying it's the right one. I'm just saying the difference between a Saiyan race who claims to be what Vilchamites are and the Vilchamite.
SPEAKER_02That's wrong right there. This is a warrior. The Saiyan's never claim to be.
SPEAKER_03They're warriors, right? Yeah. The warrior race. Absolutely. Alright, what does what do warriors do? They fight. And then what happens to warriors eventually? They die. Alright. And where do they typically want to die? I don't know. In battle. Okay. That's the answer. In battle. So you claim to be that, but this guy challenged y'all, and y'all said, Alright, cool, you got it. No, that's not what they're talking about. That's not what happened. Freezer showed up. You're stronger than a strength. Okay, we'll bow to you and do that. That is what happened. Yes. That's not a warrior. I'm sorry. To you, yeah. Sure. We'll call it to me. But again, I give you callbacks of the Spartans. I give you the Vilchamites, I give you the samurai. We'll even go into Doom. I give you the samurais. The samurais, that that's writing, but the samurais believe I lost, they kill themselves. That was real. And that's Japanese culture. Yeah, and that guy didn't kill himself. That guy died. That was that one guy. And that's a great show. Over the whole of Japan.
SPEAKER_02That's what's going on. He had the longest range.
SPEAKER_03That's not the actual culture, though.
SPEAKER_02What do you mean? Samurais, they believe in Harry Carey. They'll kill himself. If they lose in a one-on-one fight, exactly.
SPEAKER_03They rather death over dishonor, which is a saying that we a lot of times say. But the point is, they act the Vilchamites actually live that. So what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02This is my thing. You can say all of that until everybody got a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Everybody's bout it until they get punched in the mouth. I have never seen the Vilcher Might in a position where this other conquering force is here. What are we going to do? Because remember, in 300, why was there only 300 Spartans?
SPEAKER_03Because they had they couldn't get convinced the rest of the civilization to show up.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Because for some people, that's not a smart way to live their lives. Right.
SPEAKER_03You know what the the the Hold on, hold on. You want to know why there was a 300? It's because Xerxes and his army came and said, I'm already ruling the world. Yeah, y'all and bow too. Yeah. And the mindset of their king, Leonidas, regardless of their counsel, was like, yo, we're not bowing. I'm going to need 300 of my best. Yes. We're going to hold them. They died. And then when I die, it's going to be an act of war against us, and that's going to force the rest of the army to come and fight. But the culture is.
SPEAKER_02Historically, Sparta did not beat Persia. It was all of Greece that did. They didn't, but they needed all of them to do.
SPEAKER_03We're not here to debate that. Okay. We're talking about the warrior mindset.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but that's not what I'm debating. I'm debating, I I I haven't. You're giving the Vilcher Mice the 300 treatment when they didn't, they're not earning it. Leonidas stared in the face. No, I think it's a poor comparison because Leonidas stared in the face of something he knew was going to beat him. We agree with that? And said, I'm willing to die behind it. We agree with that, right? Sure. You're telling me you think they would do that. Based on what? Based off their leader just saying it.
SPEAKER_03He said, I choose death. He told them. How easy it is to say that when you haven't experienced it. I'm talking about what we see on screen, which is available to us, right? Absolutely. Thrag their leader. Yes. Realizing his planet, the actual home base was destroyed. So said, I'm gonna kill you. Let me ask you a question. Killed him and said, I've avenged you, Emperor Argyll. Yes. Y'all are next.
SPEAKER_02So did Thrag think that anybody there could beat him? Doesn't matter. That's my point. Sure. No, sure. So then what did he do, really? He killed, he killed the betrayal. The people that he could kill. He still stepped on some supposed to do. He stepped on some ants.
SPEAKER_03Now you now you're dean. That is Thaddeus is not an angel.
SPEAKER_02So he thought that these people could harm him.
SPEAKER_03We don't know.
SPEAKER_02But that's what I'm trying to explain.
SPEAKER_03So again, so this is the difference in mentality.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_03Even if you show, and remember, he said, I killed Conquest. He said, Oh, show me. Show me, yeah, prove it. I'm not impressed. I'm not, yeah. So what happens when he is impressed? You killed.
SPEAKER_02We don't know. But that's my point. I think you are giving them too much. How am I giving them too much credit? Because they they haven't done it. So let's say let's go back to 300. You're just letting him talk.
SPEAKER_03Let's go to 300. But they're act he's actually backing. Because he has not fought anybody that can challenge him. Nobody. Nolan challenged him.
SPEAKER_02No, Nolan is a Vilcher Mite. These are Vilcher mites. Market on the Viltermites.
SPEAKER_03These are Vilcher mites. You're talking about someone of a different, a different species.
SPEAKER_02Because you're telling me that they I started this argument with Panabite. Do they respect power? You told me only for Viltermites. So that was my argument.
SPEAKER_03They ruled the universe. Yes, they conquered everybody. Exactly. So nobody. So we don't know if there was someone who challenged them and just lost to them. Yeah, so that that's my thing. And they actually said we respect rebellion and defiance. We don't know that historically, and maybe we'll find out later. Yeah. Maybe someone ruled over them, and they was like, we're not having it.
SPEAKER_02No, but that that kind of breaks the whole argument, right? That's why I'm saying how did somebody rule over that?
SPEAKER_03The point is this. Again, listen, if we have a universe, and I've been ruling all of it, right? Yes. There is either people who have been stronger or there are people who are not strong enough, and I've I've beat all of them for me to be in charge. I don't agree with that for you. Now, everyone knows the Vilchamites run the universe. Yes. Everyone knows that. Yes. So if you're stronger than me, come and stop me. Because eventually I'm gonna get to your planet. Absolutely. No one's challenging. Let's have this coalition of planets. Yes. And they were smoking them. Yes. Until another Vilchamite joined them. Yes. And brought a bunch of people. Yes. The sayings, this warrior class, you don't know enough about them, allegedly, but someone came and said, I'm taking over y'all. That's not what happened again.
SPEAKER_02Showed their strength. I gave you the scenario and you keep walking around.
SPEAKER_03All I'm saying is that someone, either way, someone came and gained leadership over them. Yes. Outside of their people. Absolutely. And they allowed it for a good thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because of strength. And that's why I started off the conversation with do they respect strength or do they respect Vilchemite's strength? You told me they respect Viltimite's strength. Yes, because that's strength. In in 300, the example they're using, we use the same example. Xerxes, Leonidas was under the impression that they were going to die there. Yeah. When has um Thrag and his and the Vilchamites been in that scenario? That's all I'm asking you. We don't know.
SPEAKER_03We don't have it on paper. That's what I mean. Matter of fact, no, no, they had the whole virus where there was only 50 of them left. And they still said, we're not gonna tell anyone. Matter of fact, get rid of every person who's not a Vilchamite, and we're still gonna rule. We're gonna find a way to bounce back.
SPEAKER_02But again, someone attacked. That was not a force. That was not a guy that showed up to their planet. Because that's why I asked you. It was like, how would they react to Frieza? You told me they'll just die.
SPEAKER_03Well, we don't know. Freeze was in that universe. And I'm telling you, they were in the face of death multiple times. They've been willing to die.
SPEAKER_02Which multiple times?
SPEAKER_03The last one where they said, yo, we blew up your planet. We're in charge now. We got you. And those were other Viltimites. And what he did was a show of strength. He said, Listen, I'm not going for it. Yeah, y'all would have to. I choose death.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and he boom.
SPEAKER_03He knew that nothing there could be. Because the biological warfare that came against them. Yeah. From another Vilch. Diminished it regardless. The missions diminished their numbers to nothing. And he still said, they also said, we are not going to show weakness. We're still going to rule this universe.
SPEAKER_02And I respect all of that, but again, that does not meet the criteria that I'm presenting.
SPEAKER_03Well, you're getting you're going for specific questions. Because then I could easily do the same thing and say, what if the Saiyans had a virus that wiped them out? They did. What's the virus? The heart virus. Alright, cool. So they had a virus that wiped all of the planet out?
SPEAKER_02Well, it was gonna affect all Saiyans.
SPEAKER_03Well, it was just for Goku. That's just one person.
SPEAKER_02No, no, it affects all Saiyans, but he's the only one that got it because he's pure Saiyan.
SPEAKER_03Alright, cool. So just Goku got it. The eita didn't get it, right? That was that's only like four Saiyans there, anyway, at that point. Four or five. Yeah, it's just that's not the same because the Saiyans already have a small. But I'm saying if the Saiyans got dwindled down on their planets and maybe 50 Saiyans left.
SPEAKER_02That happened when he blew up the planet. It was four of them.
SPEAKER_03So now you're comparing the force of the biological warfare to an attack from Frieza. No, right?
SPEAKER_02You're asking me when was the time that the Saiyans had small numbers? Is that what you're asking? That's not what I'm asking. So a biological weapon that never happened.
SPEAKER_03Like, no, Frieza didn't blow up the planet. So those are two different forces, but they're still forces that affect your population. I disagree. Those are not two different forces? Yeah, no, absolutely. But I wouldn't call a virus and someone blowing up your planet. No. It's still one person attacking your civilization. I'm not saying this is a thing.
SPEAKER_02I would not describe it that way.
SPEAKER_03I'm saying it's the same. But there's still two outside forces that have diminished. How could it be an outside force if it was a Viltramite that did it? It's an outside force. He's not a part of the civilization. But he's a Viltramite. That's right. They even said we don't fight like that when he did it. Cool. So that's all that's an outside force. I want you to finish your point, though. I'll agree. I'll agree. All right, cool. So we have two different, we'll call them catastrophes. Yes, they're definitely catastrophes. Catastrophes that have attempted to wipe out your population. Yes. One civilization said, you know what? We're gonna build back. We're gonna come back better, stronger. We're not gonna let anyone know that we're hurt.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, did that civilization have leadership?
SPEAKER_03Yes. Okay, okay. Right. On the other hand, we have another person who, their planet was destroyed. Their prince is still alive, the prince of all sins. Yes. His mindset was, I'm gonna go to Earth.
unknownRight?
SPEAKER_03Actually, wasn't he still happening?
SPEAKER_02Well, wasn't he still like working for Frieza at that time? Frieza had him like a pet. And you know what his whole thing conversation's really over at that point. Do you know? Do you know what his no, but what are we conversing about?
SPEAKER_03Because like at the end of the day, if you're the leader and there's only a few of y'all left. Right, no, but he's he was never the leader. Vegeta? But he's the prince. What does that mean?
SPEAKER_02Have we not watched Game of Thrones?
SPEAKER_03All I'm saying is your royalty. You're not gonna be able to do that. No, no, no. From what's left from what's left of your people. Who was looking at him? I'm saying from your people. Yeah, who but who? Napa, Radis. They're not looking at Vegeta.
SPEAKER_02Napa is the only person. Radis had no respect for Vegeta? He wasn't, he didn't know what happened to his planet. All right. And then when he found out.
SPEAKER_03So let's go with Napa, because Napa knows. Yeah, Napa knows. This is the prince, right? Yes. So hold on, so let me get this straight. No one had respect for Vegeta like that? He was the prince. He had no respect like that? Yes or no? Did he have respect like, yo, if Vegeta says we're gonna attack Freeza, we're attacking that?
SPEAKER_02How could he say that?
SPEAKER_03I just want to know. I'm asking you guys.
SPEAKER_02You're asking me a question I can't really answer. How would he relay that message to what soldiers?
SPEAKER_03He's with Napa, right? I want to know does the Vegeta have the pull, the info. Oh, yes. Over Napa, absolutely. Hey guys, we're gonna attack Frieza. Over Napa, yes. Yes, over Napa, absolutely. All right, cool. So that's the population he had available to him. One other guy. He chose not to do it. What do you mean he chose not to do it? He chose not to do it. He wasn't strong enough. Great.
SPEAKER_02Well, what do you want to do? Continue living as a slave? No, his whole plan, because this this was Vegeta's whole plan, was to get strong enough. He wanted the Dragon Ball. He wanted to get strong enough to kill Frieza. That was his whole plan. Alright, but he never acted on it. Yes, he did. Why do you think he went to Earth? To do what? To find Dragon Ball.
SPEAKER_03Enlighten me. To find Dragon Ball is to wish what? For power. That's the difference, man.
SPEAKER_02Vegeta's whole thing was a question of the thing.
SPEAKER_03You got this magic in here that's trying to equal it out.
SPEAKER_02But you're comparing two different things.
SPEAKER_03I know.
SPEAKER_02Japanese to Japanese is more intense.
SPEAKER_03I'm more on the side of the mindset here because it's like, listen, if you're saying you're powerful, you're a warrior, you're a warrior.
SPEAKER_02Can I just stop you for one second? I'm sorry. Sure. Why, why, the minute that they found out that um what's this dude's name? Um, the guy that killed um their leader. Thaddeus. Why didn't he just kill him immediately? He was gone, he was out of it. He fled. No, no, no, when they when they showed up to the planet, he was there. Why he why Dragon isn't going? He didn't know where he was. What do you mean? They were fighting.
SPEAKER_03He didn't know where he was.
SPEAKER_02Yo, they were fighting. They were fighting everything. He didn't ship it. The ship got broken. He was looking down at all of them.
SPEAKER_03I'm trying to understand, like, what does that have to do with anything? I'm I want you to rationalize why he would not get his get back right in that moment. I don't think he had to. Okay. Wait, what what? He doesn't have to. It's not like, oh, it's me per you didn't you didn't attack me. You killed our leader. He's walking around the leader's skull. If you're the leader, that doesn't mean that he's like, I need to get down there and get you. He sent his warriors down there to do the He's not getting it done. Thadis is that guy.
SPEAKER_02So why he did not go down there and get his get back right then? So the point I'm trying to make is Vegeta knew I'm not strong enough to be Fred. Well, Thrag was definitely strong enough to be Thaddeus.
SPEAKER_03And he didn't act. So that means it's not an act of fear. I didn't say that. You said that. It doesn't make sense. Like, why would he say, why would he even be comparable to Vegeta saying I'm not strong enough to be like that?
SPEAKER_02No, because like I'm trying to explain to you, Thrag is the you're comparing the leader of a people to the the exiled prince of a people that don't exist anymore. That's the comparison you made. I didn't make that comparison.
SPEAKER_03I'm trying to compare these these two civilizations. No, I already gave you the civilization point. One is stronger than the other. In terms of what? In terms of mindset, in terms of if they're in the same universe, I think the Vilchamites are wiping the floor. Oh dog. Outside of Goku and Gohan and these special characters who continue to get wished by go from irregularity. You give me a hundred Raditz?
SPEAKER_02A hundred Raditz versus a hundred Lucians. You think Raditz loses that?
SPEAKER_03Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Brother.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think he does. Because as soon as they grab his tail, he can't move.
SPEAKER_02Grab his tail?
SPEAKER_03How would they grab his tail? Yeah, they're gonna they think he's gonna grab his tail. Do you do you do you know that Raditz has key blasts, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we don't know how that affects uh I know what tech jacket does. With them little pea shooters? He killed two Vilchamites.
SPEAKER_03You going based off the comic where we don't have yeah, but what did he use to kill him? His pea shooters. Oh, he used a pea shooter. That's all he's got. But what we saw on screen is he she couldn't use them to hit.
SPEAKER_02That's not even the same character. That's what I'm trying to explain to you. I'm going off the source material. Was that key that she was using? It was less than key. It's a laser. How do we know that's less than key? Because what does a laser do when it hits something?
SPEAKER_03Burns through something, right? They blow up planets with their chi. Alright, cool. So that's that that's that level of magic in that world. They don't have that here at all. So there's no qi in this world as far as.
SPEAKER_02So if we're removing qi, then it's just combat, which is martial arts, which they don't have.
SPEAKER_03You can't have it both ways. You gotta give me something, bro. I'm giving you the fact that number one, civilization-wise, the Saints are not what the village is. No, I agree. I agree to that. One, so that's already an elf. Yeah, I agree with that. Number two, in terms of relation to the human beings in that realm, humans and sayings are not that far off. So let me actually bang with them in any kind of way.
SPEAKER_02Let me just actually reiterate the thing. And lastly, it comes to leaders. Can we say that one?
SPEAKER_03And lastly, in leadership, the Saiyans don't got it at all. Someone else don't have enough.
SPEAKER_02They don't have enough.
SPEAKER_03That's already three points.
SPEAKER_02That's fine. So I'm gonna go back to your second point. I'm gonna ask you this again. In this universe, in in the invincible universe, right, if there is a God of that universe, right, and he gives the human beings powers of that universe. Right. This is the God we're talking about, the creator of all things, and he gives the humans powers, they wouldn't be able to fight Vilgermite. Oh, we have one guy like that who's similar.
SPEAKER_03That's like the immortal, and he can't feel he can't. Wait, God gave him powers? He's the immortal. Something's off there. He's oh, something's different. No, no, I'm giving you a specific thing. No, I'm giving you a specific thing, though. Alright, if it's God himself, then he'd be able to fight. Yes, he'd be able to fight. So that's why the So who's this God in their world? Zemo. Zemo gave him power to fight with Saiyans.
SPEAKER_02No, the God, the God of God, not it's just not just Krillin. It's anybody that can use Chi. That's a life force. Alright, cool. So in that world, they have that. Chi, yeah. They're humans in that world that has banked them. No, well, they can bank them to a certain level. Alright, cool. Absolutely. Because remember, the same a Saiyan with Chi couldn't beat Raditz.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02Piccolo could not beat Raditz. Raditz is beating both of them. Krillin could not beat Ratitz. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. A Saiyan with Chi versus a Saiyan with Chi.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02Could not beat Raditz. Right. Goku couldn't beat him, who was the strongest character up until that point. Demon King Piccolo, well, he now he's Piccolo, which is even stronger, could not beat Raditz. Right. The Krillins, the Yamps, all the humans that you're saying are so strong, could not beat Raditz. The attack that blew up the moon, by the way, it took three Viltramites to blow up one planet.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Vegeta blows up with a laser. Vegeta blows up a planet with a finger using the same power we're talking about. That's what's going on. Cheat. By the way. So Raditz took a moon busting attack, an attack that destroyed the moon, and it didn't it didn't cut him, it didn't burn him, it didn't phase him. That blew up the moon. Remember this. Yeah. Lucian can harm him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02I rest my case.
SPEAKER_03Yo, y'all can use all these lasers. This is two different worlds number one. No, but you combine the world. We're talking about uh I'll put it I'll put it to you this way to find out. You combined the worlds and you didn't give me anything. I gave you what did you give them? You had the chi. No, you took that away when you said you combine worlds. I'm combining right now. Okay. And I'm gonna find I'm gonna end it with this. If you take each each civilization, yes, interchange them, and apply whatever physics, magic, whatever you want to add to it. I'm telling you right now, the Saints are not ruling any university. Oh, they're the Saints, the Saints rule everything. Because the only thing that stopped the Saiyans was Frieza. I'm saying that the Saints do not have their chi, their key, all that extra. Oh no, they don't, they don't they're just applied into this world.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they don't need that.
SPEAKER_03They're not fighting Frieza. You take the Vilchamice, you put them in that world, and and Frieza shows up. He kills them. He's gonna have to smoke all of them. Yeah, he will kill them all. If.
SPEAKER_02Now in that world, what's applied to what's applied to them is chi. But how would they get that ability? They don't train. There's only one dude would have it. Yeah, one dude would have it, which is thrag.
SPEAKER_03We're just switching. Yes, one dude would have it, which is if he's eugenically built and all that stuff, we don't know what it is. He still dies for freezer. But the point is they're not gonna bow to Freezer. No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02No, kill free freezer will kill all of them. Yes, I agree with that point.
SPEAKER_03Barrist would have to be like, yeah, you gotta get rid of them. These guys are not gonna bow. Yeah, no, they're gone.
SPEAKER_02And so the villager mites are done. They're gone. Right. And in in in in in the inner, it's not gonna be years. Then we go back, we go back to the sayings in in in uh in Invincible, and they're they're they're fine. No, there's no freeze.
SPEAKER_03They're not organized, they're not strategic, they're not smart like that. They don't need to beats them.
SPEAKER_02Freezer was right. They act like but who beats them is my point. Freezer human might. How? Because they get beat by humans over here. You did that. Debbie might slap them up. I don't know. They can't do it. That's what I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_03The truth of the matter is, we all know that Dragon Ball is a superior universe in terms of strength.
SPEAKER_02But the point is, like the civilization, I'm giving it to you. That's where my argument's always been at. And I and I gave you that argument.
SPEAKER_03That's why when we saw Thrag do what he did, I was like, wow, this is what the leader of your people, yeah. The context of that civilization, not saying the world should be like this, but that is how it's supposed to look. Absolutely. And when we look at Vegeta, we we and everyone loves Vegeta because he has a great character arc. But I always go back to like, you know, and I get it, that's the beginning of your character arc where you were just a prince who was trained to be this one of the strongest Saiyans, but never quite ascended there. He even had some bum, some bum son Bardok, Goku, turn into you have to acknowledge that this guy's stronger than you. Yeah, he he did. He did. But the point is that he was never what Thrag was in terms of a leader.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he knows he never had the opportunity.
SPEAKER_03And he never will have the opportunity because there's no art. The Saiyans exist in Universe 6.
SPEAKER_02So he's gonna go there and rule them, or they already have a ruler and he's he's teaching that kid how to be a s a Saiyan. That's a skinny brother? Mm-hmm. Okay, that's not his brother, it's it's technically it's kind of Vegeta. Vegeta has a brother, actually. I know that the dad spared. Spared in what way? He was like, yo, you're not a saint, like you're you don't like fighting. So he just sent them off. And nobody knew about that. And he's actually a pretty strong character. Alright.
SPEAKER_03Well, again, like I said, and this is actually we spoke about it off camera, but I already knew that they're Saiyans, and I'm I'm ultimately a Dragon Ball fan, but I just I'm so enthralled by how the Viltramites move in comparison. I respect that with how the Saiyans move.
SPEAKER_02I would I would be a hater if I couldn't admit that.
SPEAKER_03Right. That's what I'm saying. So if you claim that you're this warrior civilization, I think the Viltramites did it better.
SPEAKER_02They're smarter than them. They they stand on business. Like I said, I'm gonna be consistent with this. The only thing I would like to see is them get challenged by an outside race. And if I see how they respond to that, then they got it. They right now, for me, they're at a 9 out of 10. If I see a freezer level character show up and they all just die, then they got it. Even though I don't respect that.
SPEAKER_03That's not, this is not, I mean, it's not about respecting it, because it's like, what do you want to do? Like, oh, you're stronger than me, so I have to bow. I'm not doing that. If that's my bag, especially as a warrior.
SPEAKER_02No, that's what I'm saying. I would I would put them at a 10 out of 10 for warrior class. If we're lining up all the warrior classes and you got Saiyans at a seven and them at a nine, for me to put them at a 10, they already beaten Saiyans in that in that aspect for me. But if to put them at a 10 out of 10 out of all civilizations I've seen, I everybody else in in all media has been challenged by something that they know is stronger than that. Okay, cool. Give me another example. Um with Earth, um, when aliens attack us, we have to band together as a people. We've we find out that we're not the strongest, because humans right now on Earth, we think we're the strongest. We subjugated our whole planet. There's no animal that can kill all humans. We're this we're the strongest thing. And that's that's the trope. An alien comes and it's like, oh, we're not the strongest thing in the universe. So we have to band together. Um let me think of something else. Um in um what's the show called? Uh full full metal alchemist. I just watched it. Um, there are these things called homunculi that they they they look down on humans. They're like, they're they're created by alchemists. So they're they're like otherworldly. Like they they they regenerate, they they don't die, they have like extra they they they could do alchemy too, like the alchemist, but they also have these bodies that regenerate. And the whole time the alchemists thought they were the shit. But they they were actually being controlled by a one homunculi. So all this alchemy, all of this stuff, one homunculi was like actually running the whole show, and it it had its own thing, and all the all the um humans thought that they were the the top dog in the food chain. And then they had to they eventually beat the homunculi, but they they knew that this thing was stronger than them, and they beat them with the power of friendship, always. Naruto with the um with Kaguya. Yeah, we thought Madara was the strongest thing ever versus Hashirama, and then we turn around and wait, there's aliens, and they had to band together and beat this stronger force. But they admitted that she's stronger than us. How do we beat this character? They had to pull a lot of stuff. I didn't like how Naruto ended, honestly. But it's a thing. I just have not seen the Vilchamites challenged by anybody else than a Vilchamite. Well, they're the big bad. That's the thing. No, but they're the big bad of the universe. Yeah, I get that. Invincible specifically. Yeah, but he's a Vilchamite. And it's not like he's he's not half Vilchemite. You see, I think they kind of wrote themselves into a corner where eventually he's just gonna be a Vilchamite too. So who beat the Vilchamites? A Vilchramite. It wasn't it wasn't a human.
SPEAKER_03Who's a threat to the Vilchamite?
SPEAKER_02A Vilchamite. I think that's kind of like okay. Nah, we're not gonna. That's whack. Nah, yeah. To me, to me. It's good, right? I don't I don't like that. That's just a personal thing for me.
SPEAKER_03What did you overcome? I understand. They had to overcome, they had to overcome attacks from inside, outside.
SPEAKER_02From a all they had to do was give me one one challenge for their civilization.
SPEAKER_03Well, the one challenge, again, and there's I think there's been many others because Nolan, again, Nolan's job on American America or in the world when he came to Earth was to be a novelist, and he'd write about the thing. Yeah, he wrote about all these things that he thought. No, no, no. The things that he knew. No, he thought. You want to know why? Hold on, I'll hold you. Give me a second. The reason why he knew that these were weaknesses of the Vilgermites, including civilizations that had people that could attack them, creatures that could attack them. And the way I know that, he said he knew is because when they went back to go and recruit someone. Recruit them, yeah. They were like, where do we go to next? Next is this planet where I put this in front of the sun to freeze them. Yeah. Next is this planet where I put a space racer in here and left him there for hundreds of years. He thought he died. He did research. He was writing off all he was writing about all the stuff he personally was assigned to go and get rid of. Absolutely. So they have been challenged. They're not impervious. That's not poison. To me, that's not. They use the poison that comes from a specific bug that they that he had to go get him and Alan collected.
SPEAKER_02And remember, what was my critique of the thrag fight? I didn't see him get, I would have loved to see Thrag get hit by that laser, and he's like, That's a challenge.
SPEAKER_03That's something that can hit him.
SPEAKER_02No, but he he wasn't gonna know that.
SPEAKER_03He wasn't gonna. How do we know that? Because he dodged it. So? So if you could eat it like Mark's punch, he would have ate it. But he moved. He said, Oh, that can hit me. I'm good. Why why he didn't get punched by Oliver? Because you're not one of us. Okay. Don't even touch me. That's what I'm talking about.
SPEAKER_02I I just like like I said, storytelling for me, I really enjoy the hero's journey of overcoming. Well, Thrag ain't the hero. We know that. No, no, of course. But Invincible has had a hell of a overcome. It works with him, yeah. But again, he's a Viltromite. So once his DNA is 100% Vilter Mite, what am I supposed to expect for the future of the game? So as he gets older, it's gonna become more 100%, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. So it started off where it wasn't 100%, and he was getting smacked around for that.
SPEAKER_02The show gradually is just like he's just thrag. Because what I think is, and this is my prediction for the end of the show. Again, I don't have I I'm literally gonna start reading it after the um the eighth episode. I'm gonna read the whole thing, and I'm gonna have even more information for Godfrey to let him know why they're inferior to sayings.
SPEAKER_03But definitely not inferior.
SPEAKER_02What I think happens is Mark eventually beats Drag. That's obvious because this is writing. And he's not gonna be you see, the difference between Thrag and Mark today, when he beats Drag, it's not gonna be the same gap. It's gonna be he's gonna be barely stronger than him. So he's gonna be now the strongest character in the show because Drag is the strongest character in the universe. Right. And this is as far as we know. And this exact and this is my problem, is that I I need what's the adversary. Once Mark beats Drag, the series is over.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Like Dragon Ball needs to be over at some point. That's not whack. That's how that's how stories end. There has to be an ending, a beginning and an end.
SPEAKER_02No, of course, yeah. But I just don't like that as the ending. The ending. Well, that's your prediction. It's just yeah, that's just my prediction. I don't know how it ends.
SPEAKER_03That's your prediction. It's not gonna be another threat. And we also have to understand in the world of of um Invincible, there's other time streams.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, maybe I was just spoiled, honestly, by Dragon Ball, by Naruto. Like, and I these shows, I thought Gara was this is the strongest dude ever. And then it's like, no. Oh, it gotta be Orochi Maru. Oh, no, there's actually somebody stronger than him. Oh, Naruto's pops. Oh, but we're never gonna see him because he's out the show. And then, oh shit, we get to see. Oh no, Tachi gotta be strong. Like, maybe I'm just spoiled by That's anime. Yeah, Japanese media versus American. No, but in American comics, Superman is the pinnacle of strength. But he gets challenged all the time.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_02All the time. Right.
SPEAKER_03That's like invincible being challenged all the time. Yeah, but then challenged.
SPEAKER_02No, but like I'm saying, for me, how the show looks like it's gonna end, he's gonna get the 100% DNA. He's gonna beat the strongest guy in the universe, and it's over.
SPEAKER_03To your point, and we're seeing a common theme here when it comes to these alien races that come to Earth, whether it's the Saiyan, it's Superman being Kryptonian and Invincible being a Vilture Mind. At some point your planet has to be destroyed. And at some point their civilization has to be destroyed. Yeah. At some point they have to be like the only one or one of a few left. That makes it compelling. Exactly. So that's what we have here with Invincible. Six of them. There's six of them, but we know at some point they gotta get smoked. They're gonna be.
SPEAKER_02I don't think that's how it ends. I think he becomes the leader.
SPEAKER_03I think that happens too. But the point is, you're flipping them. Look, I think look at it we got Vegeta and Goku, and there's still there's other Saiyans.
SPEAKER_02There's like six of them. But there's never no, there's never gonna be a Saiyan civilization. Of course not, because they like that. I think Viltramite. But not Viltre. So Kryptonians are like that either.
SPEAKER_03I'm not we don't they were an example. If we're going back to Saiyans and we're going back to Vilchramite, Vegeta and Goku are never gonna do that. No, because that's not they're not like that.
SPEAKER_02I agree, but now I'm asking this whole separate question. So Kryptonians aren't like that either.
SPEAKER_03I don't I don't think so, no. I don't know. Actually, no, didn't some them three of them come in uh got packed up? Yeah, but I'm focused on them like that.
SPEAKER_02And those three were were like renegades. Like the crit to me, the Kryptonians are the best example of what you're supposed to do when you're a superior race. And they were superior physically, they were superior, they were just smarter than everybody.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02They only they knew which planets they would be superior on, and all they did was spread, well, they they retconned it in the new one, but all they did was they didn't subjugate anybody. Enlighten people. Exactly. And I I that to me is if you're looking for a longevity of a civilization, that's what you're going for.
SPEAKER_03I'm not debating that. I'm just saying, again, if you have if you have this civilization, the Vilchamites, the Saints who claim to be warriors and about conquest and about power.
SPEAKER_02I would put the Vilchamites over the Saints, yeah. I would I would put the Vilchamites at a nine out of ten. I'll put the Saiyans at a six out of ten. But my argument is if we just do in a fight, there's no there's no comparison. Well, that's my tomatoes, tomatoes. Nah, this is what this is all about. It's fighting.
SPEAKER_03Lucan, which is who we refer to as um Steve Harvey. As average, yeah, Steve Harvey. You're gonna do that to a black man? You getting crazy. You did that. I gave you the option. I told you he would be he would pack up Raditz.
SPEAKER_02He's not. Well, the point is You put him up against Radditz, that was bad. Then you try to put him up against Napa, which is even worse.
SPEAKER_03Ball guy versus Ball guy. I'm going, I'm riding with Lucan.
SPEAKER_02He's gonna get squashed. No, he's not. Napa does this thing where he destroys the whole city by just putting his fingers up.
SPEAKER_03I mean, that's the magic of Dragon Ball. This is the magic of Dragon Ball line, where if you die, you can come back. No, not all the characters. You got little beans you could just eat, just ready to go. Yeah, they have too much. Can I give you some more abilities? Which is cool. Again, it's always gonna be cool. I'm never gonna begrudge Dragon Ball for what it is. Can I give you some more abilities? Go ahead.
SPEAKER_02They have Hawkeye, which is just destroying. So Thrag, all that Aura farming. I'll see you later, buddy. Hakai. He's just gone. Then hold on. Then Goku has instant transmission. So you know what he could do?
SPEAKER_03He can teleport.
SPEAKER_02He would just touch Thrag and teleport him, and he would come back and yo, let Thrag take five million years to come back here.
SPEAKER_03And then by the time he comes back. That's what I mean by and again, it's I love that you said at the beginning that Dragon Ball originally was along the lines of being satire. And Dragon Ball. That's what I said. This is what my this is my hot take on Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super, whatever you want to do with. I think it started as satire, and then it peaked into like we're serious, and then it went back to satire with all this god, and I think so.
SPEAKER_02So the dragon so the narrative is the same thing?
SPEAKER_03Um no, because Shipin is where Shiputin is where they landed. I think that they're they're writing, they wrote themselves into a corner. I think they uh um they nerfed Moderate after all the build-up, yeah. Which was similar to um, I'm trying to think of another another um program that did that where they build up this bad guy and it nerfed him. Oh, it was also in like Star Wars where they had Snoke. It's like you're building this guy up and I didn't get that either. That's how you know something's wrong with the writing. I think it's a snooke thing. The investment.
SPEAKER_02I was waiting for like him to get busy. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03He never did.
SPEAKER_02He ended up, yeah. But yeah, the disrespect you you showing uh Dragon Ball. It's not disrespectful. It's not disrespect. It's just we're being realistic. I'm a realistic person. Being disrespectful. You can't be realistic if you're trying to put Lucian, Lucan, whatever his name is. Lucan, don't disrespect the black man. Don't dispensate. Steve Harvey.
SPEAKER_03I know why you're mad at him.
SPEAKER_02Steve Harvey. Boy with a mustache. You know why. You're putting up Steve Harvey against Raditz. Don't do that, bro. You should have just like I'm saying. Lucan will beat that monkey. You know what's you know what's funny? I'm I'm gonna show you something on my phone. I'm gonna show you something real fast, bro. This this is what the collective internet thinks of um thinks like this this is who they think Thrag should be fighting, by the way. This is this is the gauntlet they want to throw them, throw them in.
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SPEAKER_02These are invincible fans. You know how I know they're invincible fans? Look at the screenshot of Thrag they used. Oh, that's the yeah, he looked like that's a comic. That's a comic.
SPEAKER_03Oh, and they got him against Kid Ghost.
SPEAKER_02That's that's the range they think he should be fighting in. And that's that's Thrag. You tripping, dog. I'm sorry. I'm tripping? Yeah, you you're tripping, dog.
SPEAKER_03I don't care what other people say.
SPEAKER_02You tripping, dog.
SPEAKER_03And I again, like I said, I'm not arguing that the Dragon Ball world.
SPEAKER_02No, that's what we're talking about right now, though.
SPEAKER_03If it's Dragon Ball World versus Muslim World, then Dragon Ball World got it.
SPEAKER_02No, no, no, no, not that. I'm just talking about the fighters. Oh, the fighters? Yeah, like if you who are you putting up against Dragons? You said Lucian. I'm putting Thrag up against him. And I think Thrag can win that fight. That's your opinion. I think Thrag can win that fight. But that that's as far as he goes. You're tripping, man. That's as far as he goes.
SPEAKER_03I don't know.
SPEAKER_02As far as he goes.
SPEAKER_03I think that.
SPEAKER_02So who do you think, like, seriously, like who do you think Thrag can, like, where does he stop in Dragon Ball? Vegeta. You think he beats Vegeta? Yes.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Okay. I think once you see a tear come out this man's eye. You know, Vegeta's the one with that hawkeye, right? You know that, right? That's cool. He's gonna grab Vegeta's head and rip that joint off. Okay. Pop, goes the wheeze. Gotcha. You know he would have to like physically get to. Yeah. And you know Vegeta's weaknesses. I'm so great. I'm gonna let you get a hit off. No, he don't do that no more. Oh, he don't do that no more. No, he don't do that no more. He learned his lesson. After it didn't work a couple of years. Yeah, he learned his lesson. He's the type to let the rag go home and come go train and come back.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the old Vegeta, absolutely. But not new Vegeta.
SPEAKER_03That's what I'm saying. He wouldn't survive long enough to even ultra ego. He does hit him with the Hawkeye, bro. These guys go to they die and come back. Like, nah. But I get it. No, Vegeta was legendary.
SPEAKER_02Vegeta died and came back once.
SPEAKER_03Dragon Ball's legendary. I I don't I don't think nobody's. That's why I compared it to like, you know, the The Civilization, you got that. Wilt chamber. You got that. Yeah, 100%. You got that. These guys had a whole city, they had all kinds of technology, and again, to the point of their strength, is that they were they're willing to purge our weakness regularly. I want the best of the best. They want you programmed. This is what Vilchum's about, strength. Yeah, I didn't I didn't like that though. But that's the context of that class. I think they're space. Sure. I'm not arguing. I'm not with it. I'm not saying that they're not.
SPEAKER_02Once they killed that black man for no reason and stomped out that black child, I was done with them.
SPEAKER_03You can have that civilization. But I think there was a sign there when they sound like. I'm like, why y'all sound like the black? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Male child. I was done. Sister, okay. Yeah, yeah, because she's, you know. You wild. Yeah. I'm cool on that, man. I'm cool on that. All right. I think that I think we did it. That was a great discussion. Let's um let's let's let's move on to some more pressing matters. Um Euphoria came back. And this is a show that I've been trying to get um my man GR to rock with. And this is the best way I'm gonna try to do it. So, are you familiar with what the show is about in general?
SPEAKER_03Drugs, teenagers, depression.
SPEAKER_02Perfect. So they they aged up the whole cast. They're older now. They're all in their college age, so they're all working. Um, one of the girls is a manager, like she works for a management company for Hollywood, because this takes place in California.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02So it's it's a whole bunch of that. The main character is uh Zendaya, her name is Rue, and she's a drug mule now because at the end of season two, she had borrowed drugs from a drug dealer. Who's a white lady because they fly under the radar? Telling you. No. They don't fly under my radar. I know. Okay. Telling it yourself a little bit.
SPEAKER_00Huh?
SPEAKER_02Telling it yourself a little bit. How am I telling them? Hey, listen, white lady, don't fly under the I got you. Um I like what you did there.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02So now she's a drug mule for this lady. So there's a like a gruesome scene where she goes to Mexico and she has uh swallow bags of fentanyl. Oh like they put them in the um KY Jelly, put them in a condom, and we so we watched Zendaya swallowing this. There's another girl who's who was an OnlyFans character. She was OnlyFans girl in real life, who's now an actress. Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03They wildly giving these girls hopes and dreams. Hey, tripping. But yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, so the first episode, it got mixed reviews. I enjoyed it. I think I thought Zendaya was gonna phone it in. But she she's acting her ass off in this. And like you said, you think she does that that character really well? So she runs into there's this there's this actor, I forgot his name, black dude. He he he's gonna play a major role in it. Uh he she goes to drop off some drugs at this guy's the black this guy's house. Marshawn Lynch is in the pool. He's playing, he's not playing Marshawn Lynch, he's actually an actor on the show. Okay, so Rue is into girls.
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SPEAKER_02And this guy is a pimp. So it's just bad joints everywhere.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And she walks in there and she's dancing, she just goes up there to use the bathroom. And she ends up dancing with girls. So the pimp, the head pimp, he's like, How you coming to my house dancing with my girls, and don't say nothing to me. She's like, Yo, I didn't even see you. I don't even know what's going on. They told me that you were a weird guy. Like, because the when they sent her over there with the drugs, they were like, yo, this guy's weird. It kind of felt like a setup. Like, why would you send me to the guy that y'all got beef with?
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_02So she's talking to the dude, and then they show a scene where a girl ODs and dies. So Rue came there and killed one of their girls. And Rue was like, yo, like, she was literally pitching to this dude how I wanna I wanna be you. Like, can I work with you? I don't I hate working with this white lady. She got me running drugs, like, can I get a job? And right before he's about to consider it, one of his girls drops dead from the drugs. So I think this whole season is gonna be about that. And how the episode kind of ends is he's like, you know, you want to work with me? He puts an apple on her head, he has a walk, he pulls out a gun, he shoots, he knocks the apple off.
SPEAKER_00This reminds me of um Snowfall.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, very snowfall-esque. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they're recycling a lot of themes. I mean at this point. But I get it every story.
SPEAKER_02Every story is written, right? Yeah. So I think you should check out Euphoria, but I want you to start from the beginning. Oh, I'm gonna start from season three. Because nah, you gotta start from the beginning. Why? Because you have to survive. I don't want to survive. I don't want you to start season three and then you get hit by the shit that you were supposed to have already been adjusted to.
SPEAKER_03If season one and two is Frieza, you got it. Is what? Freeza. Nah, season one. Where do you want me to destroy it?
SPEAKER_02Who's worse than Frieza, bro? Cell. Season two. It's bad. It's bad. Oh, season two? Both seasons. I don't think you can survive it. That's what I'm saying. Knowing who you are as a man of integrity, I can't watch Freezer.
SPEAKER_03I don't think you should watch this. Don't sit well with my spirit. Yeah. I know what I know what's in it already. You know what I mean? But I'll be right back.
SPEAKER_02You really don't know though.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna. There's always gotta be some kind of spoiler map online somewhere that says, oh, this scene is so I'm gonna try to fast forward through it. I don't even think it's do any of those scenes add context or further the story? Or are they just there to you know, oh, I want to show you some things. Can you think of one where it's like, okay, I see why they did that Batiman stuff then? Yes. Tell us about this.
SPEAKER_02No, not tricking me like that, bro. Come on, man. I see what you're doing. I'm not falling. I may be a dumb Saiyan. Well, tell us about that. I ain't falling. I ain't falling for that. Sorry. That's your best weapon. You know, we got a Saiyan that does that too, though. That's all that's all he means. We got a nigga that do that too.
SPEAKER_03Brother, when's yo, Goku black, and he's black.
SPEAKER_02Well, he should have been a Vilchemite then.
SPEAKER_03That's Lugan with his hair.
SPEAKER_02With his hair? You don't got a mustache. Yeah, but I think you should check it out. I I really want to just catch your reaction. I think our fans deserve to see your reaction of watching. Recapping season one and two.
SPEAKER_03Yo, if y'all vote on it, I'll do it. Oh, yeah. I'm about to make a poll right now. I'm about to make a poll. Vote on it and I'll watch it if it wins. If it doesn't, then all right.
SPEAKER_02Uh, moving on. We got the boys. Oh, I got my notes for that. Alright, so it's been three episodes. Talk to me, man.
SPEAKER_03I didn't see the last one, so I'm sure elaborate, which would be greatly appreciated. Not too many spoilers this time because I'm enjoying the process. But um, I did have a lot of things to say. Yes, please. Firstly, what we have is season five, episode one. Um my hot take for the whole thing is it was slop overall as an episode. Up until that final scene. The dialogue has gone overly vulgar and raunchy, and it loses its impact. You have to use not only curse words, but vulgarity sparingly, or else it just becomes pirates talking. You just started watching The Boys? I've been watching it, but I'm saying in this particular case, the reason why, and then this leads to my next point, when they brought on they took the aura from um Kamiko's character by allowing her to speak. Why did they do that? I think that the actor was like, I need to be able to.
SPEAKER_02I had the same conversation with my old lady, bro. I was like, this had to have been an actor thing. It has to be. She had to be like, yo, this show is it's a smash. When I signed up, I thought this was gonna be some weirdo bullshit, but this show is a smash and I have zero lines.
SPEAKER_03You get paid more for lines, too. There we go. And um, you hear for. And this is the thing. She um, I get it, you want the money, but she also squandered opportunity because her acting chops were so a one because of the lack of speaking. Yeah. Like I could like just through her facial expressions, the way she would physically act, you could tell her desire for Frenchie, the confusion, the frustration. But you know, that took uh that took a lot of her aura away to me.
SPEAKER_02And she's like the most vulgar character. Yes.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you have even No, no, I I've heard how she talks. Everything is this. I'm like, you gotta chill out. Brother. Oh, she drops N-bombs? Tell me.
SPEAKER_02No. Oh, okay. Come on now. I would I would just tell you not to watch the show anymore.
SPEAKER_03I'm still watching it. If she's hard auring, not constant. He has once in Mother's Mill. MM has to check her, but he can't check her.
SPEAKER_02He lost so much weight, he can't check anybody.
SPEAKER_03You saw that, right? Yeah. That's my boy Um Laz Alonzo. Laz Alonzo from step um from um Stomp the Yard.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03They they owe DNO him.
SPEAKER_02Nah, he he he said it's him. Like he chose to do that.
SPEAKER_03He just chose to lose weight. Yeah, he said it's like. He said for health. For health. What do you think?
SPEAKER_02Listen, we can't do this. You know what? I owe somebody an apology. Starlight.
SPEAKER_03I was gonna say because she also went the whole health route, too. No, it's everyone. She has Graves' disease. That's what she says. I am not gonna disagree. Yeah, that I want to apologize. I killed her last week. I'm apologizing too.
SPEAKER_02Um because we they did the same thing to Chadwick, and they were all Crack Panther, and he was dying.
SPEAKER_03Again, but I'm gonna say this. Two things. Crack Panther is crazy. That's what niggas are saying. I never heard that. I've definitely saw it. I'm gonna say this. I'm not gonna disregard what she's saying, what Laz is saying, or what Chadwick said. But again, we only know what they tell us.
SPEAKER_02Tell us, okay.
SPEAKER_03She could have, and I'm not saying this is the case, she could have tried the surgery and it didn't go well, and now it's I have Graves' disease. Not saying that's the case, but it's up, it's also a possibility. We really are evil, though. I'm not being evil, I'm just saying this. This is a possibility.
SPEAKER_02That's your apology?
SPEAKER_03It's not an apology, it's just a I'm I gotta keep it a bug. I'm just being honest. But I'm not saying anything.
SPEAKER_02You're taking this dragon too far, bro. Nah.
SPEAKER_03See the color scheme?
SPEAKER_02I saw I peeked. I was like, yo, what's going on? I thought more Vilcham was about to pop out. I was like, we don't we don't got enough scenes for y'all.
SPEAKER_03But the point is, nah, but um, yeah, I feel bad based on what she said. Yeah, crazy, and with Laz, um with Alonzo as well. But um that's another point, too. I'm just gonna segue into that with um the character, uh, the lady's name, the actress's name is Erin Moriarty, who plays Starlight.
SPEAKER_02Oh, you starting to do the research now.
SPEAKER_03Oh no, I knew it before, but I'm starting to look now for sure. Especially with Amazon Prime. There's no reason for me to pause it, no reason not to do it. But um Erin Moriarty, she's I I hate to say it, but like the what's going on with her uh with her face has taken away from her acting ability, and that's obvious to any actor because to be able to emote. And there's scene, she can't as much. Yeah, there's scenes where she's talking to Huey, and I know like she has the capability to sell this or drive this point home, and it's just not landing. Like, you know, her mouth can't move the same, her eyes can only move so much, you know, and there's certain muscles that aren't firing the way they need to. So that's also kind of taking me out of the universe because every time I see her face and what she's trying to accomplish, I just don't see it. You know, um, and the lastly in that episode, the master bulmasterful execution of A-Train's death, full character art development. Yep. Lived as an immature teen junkie and died as a true hero. I forget the actor's name. I should know his, but um, I've never been really a big fan of the. I just wanted to because we were apologizing, and I was gonna apologize as well. So I wanted to make sure I said her name. No, you got you good with me. But and this is why. Like I I knew his name, but um But um the point is that um I was never really a big fan of his acting prior. Oh, but the way they stepped it up, he stepped it up, the way they wrote him in this was amazing. And the fact that he ended up, you know, they did the callback where the the way he got caught was by dodging someone.
SPEAKER_02And then she looked just like uh just like her.
SPEAKER_03He fell, got hurt, his shade, his um glasses fell off. You know, uh I thought that was gonna mean more.
SPEAKER_02Maybe it does. What his glasses fall? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Because last time he had him on and the blood splattered and he like tried to wipe them. So this time they fell off, and now you get to see him for who he is. That death scene had to be his eyes. His eyes had to be him looking, you know.
SPEAKER_02Calling my man out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, calling him played by Anthony Star, by the way. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But um, I said Lazarus.
SPEAKER_03Now I gotta say that. No, you did say Lazar Laza.
SPEAKER_02Nah, nah, nah. He's right, he's right. He did say Lazarus. That was actually the first thing he said, so you got it.
SPEAKER_03This guy's going crazy.
SPEAKER_02He got it, you got it.
SPEAKER_03Jesse T. Usher.
SPEAKER_02Usher.
SPEAKER_03Uh Jesse T. Usher, all right. He killed that final scene, acted his behind off, and I love that he laughed in Homelander's face, and he got really upset when Starlight was like, oh, just tell us if you're scared, which any black man's gonna get mad. I'm not scared.
SPEAKER_02He got pissed. He got mad, yeah. I felt that I'm not gonna be. He's not a great actor, right?
SPEAKER_03But he was scared. He admitted it to um what's the guy's name? The fish dude. Deep. The deep, yeah. He admitted it, because the deep was like, he's like, oh, you could say if you're scared or whatever. And the deep was like, I think he said he's not scared. He said, No, I know what you're talking about. Like, I think you something along those lines. Yeah. Either way, he kind of admitted that he was scared too. And uh he ended up going up, showing up as a hero. And all those guys are dead without H ring. Yeah. All those guys are dead. Um, but also the the The Boys is great. It's uh I think it's because I had such a break from the last season to now. I forgot how wild they get, like the dude who eats the dirt, and it's just like y'all old Dan. Oh, that's what I was about to say, bro. You haven't seen nothing yet. I'm sure it gets way worse. Um, Butcher is turning into uh emotional. He's evil. He's evil. Yeah, because even after H Wayne died, he was like, whatever.
SPEAKER_02Yo, you got it in the latest episode, like I'm saying, I'm gonna keep it spoiler-free as much as I can. He officially does something in that episode that I'm like, oh yeah, this character's they're purposely making it irredeemable. Yeah. In the comic, the the show and the comic have gone their separate ways, but in the comic, he kind of goes down that same arc. But to this extent, or the comic, the comic version of him was actually more sympathetic. So the show version is even more evil, in my opinion. So this is the deal we're gonna have, right? I'm gonna read Invincible, you're gonna read The Boys. This is again the You saw that screenshot I sent you, right? I saw the screenshot. Man, it was wild on that plane. Because the deep is a black character in the in the sh in the Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was OD.
SPEAKER_03The hard ER twice. Yeah, yeah. Yo, Homelander gotta go. Yeah, yeah. Homelander gotta go.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, read the read the comment. But um, yeah, the boys. Oh, let me do season two after you're done.
SPEAKER_03I mean episode two, my bad. Yeah, no, good. Good. Do episode two. Uh again, I gotta I just gotta um highlight this. The writing is a little sloppy in certain ways because I know, again, like we spoke we talked about this this current era of viewing audience, they have to be told everything instead of figuring it out. And I don't like that. Sometimes they're just rate right to it. Also at the beginning of episode two, um, and this is more on the side of just like what I'm looking at. Like Frenchie and uh uh Kamiko finally getting together is just to me, it's just one of those weird things. I'm like, this is the same dude who again was sleeping with a man and killed his family. He's he's my favorite character. He has the most charm. I don't want them to be together. I don't think it works either. I think she should be choosing someone else, and I think that he needs to atone for a lot of this in this a lot.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't I don't I think his story arc should end in him doing the most selfless thing ever, yeah, which is letting letting her live her a life with a person that's not a weirdo. Not and it's what I have here.
SPEAKER_03He's the lovable weirdo. Yeah, he's he's a strange guy. Yeah, and MM is like the honorable jester. Like so many wild things happen him, like him in the camp having to fight the guy with the with the the long. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was gonna see how you're gonna do that. Yeah, like you're wild, like what do you like? That guy's in the comic, too. Yeah, but why does this keep happening in MM? You saw it happen in a female.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_03Why y'all do who my man says? You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_02It'd be funny if this happens to a black guy, right?
SPEAKER_03Guys, every time the same thing with this guy. I see what you're doing. You try because he is a strong character. Yeah, but they're like, we gotta like, you know. Hit him with a dick. Yeah, that's literally, or choke him with one in the first like the other season, which is wild. Then also we have Sister Soldier, is uh, I think, you know, again, her character, she's supposed to be the most intelligent in the world on the world. The smartest person in the world. So the way they cut her character or like, you know, kind of bring her down a little bit, she has that whole brain stabbing thing, and she turns like a massive freak and also just has a love for food. And the deep. And the deep, right? So um, I think that they're and they made Sister Soldier's a black woman, so I think that they're like doing like a back-handed like disrespect to her character. Because this is the most intelligent character in the world. Yes. And she turns into a big freak who just loves to eat and get stabbed and like the stupidness. But um in the in the context of the story, I want to say that she has a master plan, and I think they're trying to find a way to get to that, and haven't seen episode three, so maybe it kind of appears there. But I think that that she's she's trying to figure out a way to control Homelander, but they're not kind they're not showing it well enough for me.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, for like for the smartest person in the world, she should have Homelander with all of his divergence, like the weird quirks he has, she should have him like around her finger. Like this should be the she should be the the big bad of the last season.
SPEAKER_03We should find out that like for me is that like she's the one who got him to wake up Soldier Boy to get Soldier Boy out the paint.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That that would make make me go, okay, I see what we're doing. Like the the guy from the first um season who you remember who's controlling, who's not afraid of Homelander at all. Oh, Gus. They should bring that guy into her character. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like now we're starting to see she's actually embodying that character. I need to see more of that from my friend. The smartest person in the world. Because right now she's playing around to me. And lastly, I love I like what they do with Ashley, while she has the the face on the back of her head.
SPEAKER_02That's her conscience.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's a very much a great like metaphorical play on the back of your mind, like having like, you know, you want to do the right thing, but you know, you've become this other version of yourself. That's like the real Ashley back there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But overall, those first two episodes are good. I just my highlight is that a lot of times the the writing gets sloppy, but the show is still what it is. It's still really good. I also enjoyed um um the other superheroes, the local superheroes from that teen group popping up and getting smoked too. It was cool.
SPEAKER_02How you felt about the giant dude?
SPEAKER_03Oh, the molten dude? That was weird for me. I mean, the boy is just so wow.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like how do you even think of something like that?
SPEAKER_03This is there's some sick people out there, but the guy who was eating all the dirt, he's a writer. Yeah, that was a sick off.
SPEAKER_02That was nuts, dog. That scene crazy. That scene took a lot out of me. Yeah, I was like, you might have to turn this off.
SPEAKER_03Well, you already went through euphoria, so you should be able to handle this.
SPEAKER_02You see, the thing about euphoria is that it's so real. That shit I know. Wait, what scene you're talking about? Yo, dawg. I want to test your medal.
SPEAKER_03We want to know.
SPEAKER_02Nah, what are you talking about? I want you to come back on his pocket and be like, yo, he was right. Or this is what you were talking about? This is like you know what?
SPEAKER_03After watching the boys, I don't think there's much that could be much crazier.
SPEAKER_02There's a lot. Famous last words right here. Famous last words. Start euphorious season one.
SPEAKER_03I'm fast forwarding to anything crazy.
SPEAKER_02You're gonna be frozen. Like, you're gonna be like, yo, I can't believe they put this on TV. Nah, I never freeze.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Alright. But yeah, that's that's what I saw those. I thought of those two episodes. I thought it was really good. Again, Kamiko talking just, man. It every time she opens her mouth, it's jarring to me. Yeah, it's just wild stuff you say.
SPEAKER_02I'm like, what watch episode three.
SPEAKER_03What is she gonna say that like is outside of the end the n-word? I'm like, I'm not.
SPEAKER_02It's you're gonna see though. I don't want to spoil nothing. Is it blasphemous? No, but they they go deep in the blasphemy bag. Oh, I remember when they had the well, they had the church join it for. I didn't like that. I hate it. No, but you're gonna hate what they do in this episode.
SPEAKER_01You're gonna see it.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_01They they're trying to make him more than just an evil Superman trope. They're going all the way to Antichrist. They're going all the way. Well, he is a monster. They're gonna they're going all the way.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And I I really want you to uh reflect on that for me. Anthony Star does a great job, by the way. Oh, um he this this is my final thoughts on on uh and we can move on after this. He's now in the conversation of Robert Downey Jr., Ryan Reynolds, in terms of there can never be another Homelander. Oh no, no, no, it's over. He is Homelander. Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man, Ryan Reynolds is Deadpool, he's Homelander. Yeah for the for the that's that's it that's it.
SPEAKER_01Ken It might mess him up though. Jon Stark? No, Jon Snow, sorry. Jon Snow, is he is he on List? Keith um Kit Harrington? Yeah, that he's just Jon Snow.
SPEAKER_02Cause you know, you know HBO is gonna do the same thing to the Game of Thrones as they're doing to Harry Potter in 10 years, is it I mean in 20 years, because it might be time soon already. They're gonna redo a lot. They're gonna redo the whole thing.
SPEAKER_03Um can they do it though? I mean, if you're talking about realistically, yeah, but is he ever gonna hit the same as Kit Harrington? He he's just Jon Snow. Yeah, it's not gonna I think that a character that actually this is a bold take, but who can be redone is Daenerys. Really? Someone else can take her spot and make you forget about it.
SPEAKER_02I need you to rewatch season one again, brother.
SPEAKER_03I know exactly what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_02All right, before you do that, get a fresh, get a refresher and then talk. I'm not disagreeing with you. Just get a refresher.
SPEAKER_03Amelia Clark, beautiful woman. You know her name too, huh? I watched the show.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I didn't listen.
SPEAKER_03Listen, man, you gotta do your research.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I I'm bad, I'm a bad podcaster. He's a professor.
SPEAKER_03Nah, I'm not saying that at all. No, no, you're right, though. I shouldn't know that I should know all that. And I know this is to my point. Amelia Clark had a crush on her for sure. She's a year older than me, 1988. My man did a point is like as her performance was great, but there are times where for me as an actor, I felt like there's others, other people who could have driven certain points home further. I'm not gonna ever disparage her ability to act. I think she's a great actress. But there's other actors out there I think you could have.
SPEAKER_02I gotta take her off my list for when we we're doing our movie, because she's not gonna answer the call now.
SPEAKER_03What do you mean? No, no, she'll probably answer if it's a great movie.
SPEAKER_02After what you just said about her, she's not showing up. Or she might show up to spite you. She might show up to be like, oh, we're her.
SPEAKER_03That's fine.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna make y'all the lead together. See how this goes. That's fine.
SPEAKER_03Sometimes you need that tension.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's what I'm saying. To sell the scene. This might work out.
SPEAKER_03Nah, she's a beautiful woman, though.
SPEAKER_02Shout out, shout out, uh speaking of beautiful women, actually. Oh, yeah. Yo, all I can do is.
SPEAKER_03Oh, man, I'm really CS. I'm really the villain today. I didn't even realize how we set this up. Wow, this guy. You doing this to yourself. All the villains on one side. This guy got me hard. You're doing the CSM. You know what? You sometimes you gotta lean into it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, Cameron Diaz came out recently. Yeah. She said in her prime, she's hotter than uh what's her name? Sydney Sweeney. That's the girl from Euphoria who popped off because she has ginormous breast. How do you feel, man? Master of Milk, MM.
SPEAKER_03Yo, you're the worst right now. Alright, let me say this. First of all, I don't specialize in milk. The point is. Nobody said that. You implied it. Yes. You insinuated it.
SPEAKER_02Yes, I did.
SPEAKER_03Alright, so number one, um I don't I I hate that Cameron Diaz is doing this, but women, not all, but women like to do this for competition. I was yeah, like why do you come out of the woodworks to say anything about a woman or actress who's now in her peak, leave her alone.
SPEAKER_02This could be AI, by the way.
SPEAKER_03I never confirmed. Oh, okay. If that's the case, sorry, Kim.
SPEAKER_02No, but let's let's pretend it's real.
SPEAKER_03If it's real, then this is unnecessary. Like this is you know. But is she wrong? Um, for me, no. Now that's all, you know, everyone has their own preferences. Yes. But if you go ever go back and watch the movie The Mask, Cameron Diaz.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah. Smoke show. Talk about fire. Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03Absolute. She took over the screen. Every time she was on, I was like.
SPEAKER_02She has a beautiful smile.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, she her face is gorgeous.
SPEAKER_02That's a beautiful white woman.
SPEAKER_03Top shelf. Sydney Sweeney's also beautiful, but if I don't think so. If you're she's beautiful.
SPEAKER_02I don't think so. I don't think so.
SPEAKER_03If you're if your highlights your breast.
SPEAKER_02I think her highlight is her chest. I think she showed it. I I think she has top. Three breasts though. Like top three. That's how far I'm willing to give her a break. I never saw her breasts. Yep. Everyone keeps telling me about it.
SPEAKER_03Are you for your season one season? When she says beautiful, I go strictly off of, you know, anatomy.
SPEAKER_02Just the face cards? Yeah. Yeah, but she didn't. She said hotter. She said she's hotter. Hotter? That's why I have to throw in everything.
SPEAKER_03I've seen Sidney Sweeney in that movie where she was like a babysitter came out recently.
SPEAKER_02I just saw a trailer for that. It's good. That's a good one to watch.
SPEAKER_03It's good.
SPEAKER_02She's she she acts in that?
SPEAKER_03She's acting, but she's acting. Okay. She gets naked. She's doing her job. I didn't I didn't see any of that part. It was at work, so you know, it was in and out a little bit. But that means I I don't sit still at that work. Oh, you was moving.
SPEAKER_02Like so you didn't you didn't really Okay.
SPEAKER_03But um I if you call talking about hotness, again, it might be a little nostalgia because I was younger when the mask came out, but I remember first time I saw Cameron Diaz, I was like, wow, this woman is gorgeous.
SPEAKER_02But not to knock on Sidney Sweeney, I don't think her face card ain't all that.
SPEAKER_03Not compared to Cameron.
SPEAKER_02But her her breast is top three.
SPEAKER_03Matter of fact, that's a good point. Her face card you can see almost anywhere. But Cameron Diaz.
SPEAKER_02No, Cameron Diaz got a beautiful. When she walks into a place, that's Cameron Diaz. Yeah, I think that's that's that's not a regular human being. Right. This is this is an actress, this is a model, this is something. Sydney Sweeney, you go to Hollister, you go to Starbucks, there's a bunch of them running around. But the Rax, top three. I'm telling you right now, I'm giving it to her.
SPEAKER_03That's top three. Sydney Sweeney reminds me of if she was like Scarlet Johansson's cousin or something, who's just not as not on that level.
SPEAKER_02You know what's crazy though, the Olson twin, the one that's in Marvel, she's another one. You think so? Oh, that's your phenotype, huh? She's another one. I don't really like her face, too. Nah, she's another one. She's a great actress, though. She's another one. And she got Rack City too. I'm trying to remember. I'm talking about Scarlet Witch. I got you. Scarlet Witch. Yeah, because you're not seeing her when she's going to these premieres. Oh, okay. Yeah, when she's dull. When she's trying to look hot. She's not trying to look hot as Scarlet Witch. She's not trying to look hot. True. I got you. Alright. I got you. But yeah, I'm gonna side with uh the AI camera deals on this. I'm gonna just assume AI. AI did it. Alright, um, I want to talk about something that's near and dear to my heart. Be back to American animation. Be back. Aang versus thrag. Aang versus thrag? Yeah. Oh, Thrag by a mile. Alright.
SPEAKER_03You treat it.
SPEAKER_02Avatar State, nigga.
SPEAKER_03Oh, Avatar State. Alright, see now you're adding the magic. Yeah, you see. This is American. It's an American? Yeah. Oh, it's American magic.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So you know where that comes from.
SPEAKER_03When I find out the trick, man.
SPEAKER_02Alright, so Avatar Last Airbender, they had a movie coming out, animated film, that was gonna show because we never seen um Aang in his prime. We saw him as a kid in the core, he was he was dead.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he was gone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because that was that was his children she was running around with.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So we never saw Aang and um Qatar and all of them in their primes. So they had a movie and they worked so hard on it. And I opened Twitter and it was just there. The whole movie. Like some nigga posted the whole movie. Normally I'm like, jackpot.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But something didn't feel right. Because I didn't hear about this. This is not like yo, Jiu Jitsu Kaisen has a movie called Zero and it's about to be out in a couple of months, and then you just see it, oh, it's lit. I never I didn't did you ever hear about this being in production? I didn't hear nothing about this. I was like, Nah, but send me the link. I was like, I didn't save it because it didn't feel it didn't feel right, it didn't sit right with my spirit. So I did some research real fast. All right, and some of the animators that worked on it, they were like, yo, y'all gotta understand that whoever leaked this like literally ruined our careers because we were in a bidding war with Paramount telling them, yo, put this in theaters. We need this look, put this in theaters, yeah, telling you people are gonna come out for this, put this in theaters. Paramount, nah, that shit going to streaming. So they were already fighting about this. I think Paramount leaked it.
SPEAKER_03I could yo, listen, these big companies, I'm not knocking Paramount saying they did. I think they leaked it, though. But it's possible. It's possible, man. So that's messed up if they did that too.
SPEAKER_02That's the only reason I didn't watch it. And whenever it is released officially, I'm gonna however I could pay for it, I'm gonna pay for it.
SPEAKER_03And that's how you end up with the invincible animation.
unknownBecause you're like, yo.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. It wasn't that bad. What? Invincible animation. I think it was, I think people are overblown then. It wasn't that bad. It's just in comparison to what we're seeing when you're so that's really. It's a different culture. True. They they emphasize suicide nets because you work to they vilture myself. Either you work or not the Viltimizer. You work or you die. That's how they do it.
SPEAKER_03We'd all be in trouble if that was the case.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so I feel so bad for them. You know, as a as a creative myself, like that would that would crush me. And I just wish them all the best. And I want to see Aang. I want to see Prime Aang. We don't know what that looks like. That's true. You're about to get busy. You're about to get busy.
SPEAKER_03Well, who's his threat?
SPEAKER_02They they about make up a character.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we gotta figure something out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but I I'll I'll I'll send you the link.
SPEAKER_03Huh?
SPEAKER_02I'll send you the link. Send send to me. You let me know how you like it.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna watch it then.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna watch it in theater. Oh, you're gonna watch it both ways. Yeah, why not?
SPEAKER_03You can't listen. I'm gonna hold you to that. You can. You cannot beat the theater experience. The sound effects, the big screen, the popcorn, and chillin'. Like, listen, man.
SPEAKER_02We never watch the movie together, bro. We need to go to the movie. We never party party together on some ditty shit either.
SPEAKER_03You see how crazy this is getting?
SPEAKER_02I'm trying to prepare you for euphoria.
SPEAKER_03I'm not, yo, I'm gonna find a key that's like, yo, this episode, be careful of this. First of all, they gotta it's gotta win a vote first. What vote? Remember, you have to put it up to the casting crew.
SPEAKER_02Okay, I got you. Casting crew, make sure. Let's torment this man. Wow. This is a brother of principle. This is the wickedness. We're gonna torment him. We're gonna torment him. Wow. Alright, um, last but not least, let's talk about the Desert Warrior trailer, man. Listen. Because you have a name highlighted here.
SPEAKER_03Anthony Mackey. Why do you have that name highlighted? Because we haven't seen Anthony Mackey take on a role like this before.
SPEAKER_02You didn't like him as um the black um Captain America?
SPEAKER_03I didn't like uh I didn't like the writing around it. I like him in that role. But they need to, first of all, like let's talk about the movie where he was fighting the Red Hulk, and he can't take a punch from it. Nah, he should have been turned to mist. So I'm saying, like, what are y'all doing? Like, y'all are making this corny, and it it what it does is feed this narrative that is like a DEI type of. Yeah, it was bad. Like y'all OD'ing, like, you make him look bad. Even the show he had with um Winter Soldier was just I kind of like that show. I like the show up until he started, like, you know, trying to lecture these guys. You need to be better now.
SPEAKER_02Nah, he should have just took the uh serum.
SPEAKER_03I agree with that.
SPEAKER_02Call of the day.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, take the serum.
SPEAKER_02Even if it's not comic accurate rings, just take the serum.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like we don't have to stay completely comic accurate, but if you're gonna pass the torch on to him, then at least give him like the validity to his feet. Yeah. Like you've taken a punch. I don't care if that's uh vibranium. That's still a hope. It's a mist.
SPEAKER_02That is still a hope. They should have been cleaning him up off the what was it, the Lincoln Memorial, whatever that show up? 100%. They should have been cleaning him up off of that. But yeah, Desert Um, Desert Warrior. It looks good. I I I didn't even, it wasn't even my radar until you said that. I was like, oh yeah, this is hard.
SPEAKER_03It's coming out, I think it's the end of this month, too.
SPEAKER_02Okay. I think you wanna you wanna check that out.
SPEAKER_03When does it come out again?
SPEAKER_02Nigga, you sent the trailer.
SPEAKER_03I'm gonna double check, but we uh we might have to go see.
SPEAKER_02What do you expect from Anthony Mackey?
SPEAKER_03I expect him to step up to the plate. He's been acting a long time, so at this point, with the coaches and the um the dialogue coaches and the all the experience he has, I expect him to show something new. If he shows up as clearance, he shows up. He was Tupac. Don't forget that. I'm Tupac. That's never not gonna be funny, having to say who you are on the screen. Brother, brother. I don't know who wrote that for you. Are you just ad-lipped ad? Never again. But um, I expect him to show that he has acting chops. He uh he did another show, I forgot what it's called. It was on Netflix.
SPEAKER_02Oh, he was on um, they had him in a wild position on what you call it, on Black Mirror.
SPEAKER_03What happened on that one?
SPEAKER_02He was on the Black Mirror episode where him and his man just playing that uh the fighting game. They they started like sleeping with each other.
SPEAKER_03Him and another man?
SPEAKER_02Him and another man.
SPEAKER_03So you four.
SPEAKER_02And the other dude, he's a he's a dope actor too. He was in um I gotta figure out all these actors' dates. I want them in the movies we make. Um he was in The Watchmen, the HBO remake that they did. He played, he played um Mr. Manhan, Dr. Manhan. Dr. Man. He's black.
SPEAKER_03What else has he been in?
SPEAKER_02Uh he's in um recently, Wonder Man. Did you watch Wonder Man? Oh, what are you talking about? Yeah, oh we never spoke about one.
SPEAKER_03We didn't. That's an After the next episode. Wonder Man. That's an he has like an African name. He was um, wasn't he also um he was Morpheus in that new uh Yeah, I didn't watch that. Yeah, it's not worth it. It was terrible. And then he was also in um Aquaman. He was like black man too.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, that that's a fire character, too. It means a whole backstory. Oh, I love that character.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he was in a on a few things.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so he him and uh Anthony Mackey were playing a video game that you you you put on a little dot. April 24th. And then you go into like virtual reality kind of thing, and then one guy picked the girl character and they start they started OD.
SPEAKER_03They they showing you something with that too.
SPEAKER_02What you mean?
SPEAKER_03When he started doing this whole what do you call it, meta world?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Say, oh, everyone can plug in, you can choose who you want to be. It's gonna be a lot of dudes choosing to be something else, and a lot of women choosing to be something else.
SPEAKER_02That's what happened. And his wife, his wife walked in, like, what y'all doing in the game? I'm I'm just playing the game, baby. Yeah. Alright, man. I I think we did it. I think we did it. Um, we got the Saiyans and the Vilcher Mice fighting each other to death right now.
SPEAKER_03Can we do one more thing?
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_03It'll probably take five minutes. Just your Mount R Mount Rushmore, current Mount Rushmore of anime villains. Just because of anime day. Just four. Mount Rushmore.
SPEAKER_02I'm gonna go. I'm a big fan of Cell.
SPEAKER_01I love Cell. Um I'm gonna go with and this is anime?
SPEAKER_00Anime, strictly anime.
SPEAKER_01I know I'm gonna leave someone off this list. I'm gonna be mad at myself after this. Um I'm gonna go with uh Sukuna from uh Jujitsu Kaiser. That one showing that he gave me so far. No, Sukuna. Um who else, man? Oh, I'm gonna go with Greed from uh Full Metal Alchemist. Oh, okay. I like Greed.
SPEAKER_02Actually, no, let me go Envy instead of Greed. Because Greed actually redeemed himself. Envy never redeemed himself. I'm gonna go with Envy.
SPEAKER_01Um That's three, right? Yeah, that's three. I got one more. That's a very good question, man. Very good question. Let me get anime, right? Anime only. Let me get um.
SPEAKER_02I wasn't really a big fan of the. I just he's just really iconic, but I wasn't a big fan of him, so it's gonna be phony if I say this. But I'm not gonna lie. I was gonna say moderate, but I wasn't a big fan of Moderator, so uh, it's gonna be kind of phony for me.
SPEAKER_04Alright.
SPEAKER_02Um I'm I'm gonna stick at my three right now. Come back to me. Let me let me hear what you got.
SPEAKER_03So for me, I'm gonna go first one from my favorite anime would be Naruto, and I'm gonna go with Payne.
SPEAKER_02Ooh, I like it.
SPEAKER_03Put him Payne though, because he smoked the whole village. I like Payne a lot. Um, but yeah, just speaks for himself. He killed his own master with the you know the six bodies, but the point is I'm gonna go with Payne. Um from Dragon Ball, I'm gonna have to go with Kid Boo. Um, a terrifyingly evil character. No rhyme or reason. He ran up on them in the other world, it was just a menace.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Um Kid Boo.
SPEAKER_01This gets tough, man.
SPEAKER_02Pain. Yeah, man, right here. Um I don't really look at him as a are you okay?
SPEAKER_03Uh of course you don't. He's not a villain. That nigga's evil. Um, Aaron Yeager. He's a villain? Aaron, yeah, he killed a lot of people. Okay. It's unfortunate, but he's a he's a he's definitely the villain of that show.
SPEAKER_02I don't know if he's a villain.
SPEAKER_03Um I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna put Aaron Jaeger with long hair.
SPEAKER_02Okay, fair enough. I'm a Yeager, though. I'm a Jaeger.
SPEAKER_03I would've I might have been down to it, to be honest. But uh yeah, I'm gonna put Aaron Yeager in there. And one more. Do you have your fourth one? I'm still thinking, bro. There's so many characters, but I'm talking about the ones that like impact the way like you were like, wow, that is a a sick bad guy. Yeah. Like that guy you talk about the pinnacle of a villain. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is why I looked at Payne that way, even though Payne got talking on Jack. Pain Payne was a great bad guy. He smoked Kakashi. He made Tsunari like a joke. Yeah, he forced a a newly I'm powerful Sage Monaro, like all that Sage stuff. Show me the Ninetales.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he was a monster.
SPEAKER_03So uh for my fourth one for now, you know who I'll go with. Nah, he's I don't he didn't really compel me like that. That's the dude from um Demon Slayer.
SPEAKER_02Who Michael Jackson?
SPEAKER_03Michael Jackson, yeah.
SPEAKER_02He was I was gonna uh pick dude from Demon Slayer too till the movie came out. Yeah, I'm just not the um the the fighting dude. Oh um cause or whatever his name. He I liked him a lot until the movie came out. Oh, when you found his backstory. Yeah, yeah. Take his teeth out of him. Yeah, come on, son. I don't I need the irredeemable niggas.
SPEAKER_03Like, you just evil. I don't mind if you have a good backstory, but the it's like your feats and the fear you you uh you inspired. Yeah so I'm gonna go with um Upper Moon 1.
SPEAKER_02Which one was that again?
SPEAKER_03That's uh the one with all the eyes. Oh yeah, I don't know. Just chopping Akasa up every time he challenged them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that dude's kinda I can't wait to see him get busy. Yeah. Um for my last one, I'm gonna go with Garu from One Punch Man.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02Because he becomes cosmic Garu in the uh in the comic.
SPEAKER_03Does he challenge One Punch Man?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's the only one so far. He's it's still he's he Well, you can't watch One Punch Man. You watch that shit. Well, the the last season that came out had the worst and it has worse animation than than uh Invincible. It's horrible. Yeah, I don't know what happened. It's bad. Because the first two seasons was Chef Kiss. But uh Garu's character, he gets to about he gets like cosmic. Like he he he pushes One Punch Man, but still it's one punch man. It's one punch man. But what he does to all the other heroes, because that's what I really watch the show for. It's like watching the other heroes fight and get down. Yeah, he's one of them.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02He's one of them.
SPEAKER_03Alright. Alright, I like your top, I like your top four. I mean, they're not beating mine, but yeah, it's pretty um who you got again? Payne. Ninja, all right. Okay boo, kidboo.
SPEAKER_02Okay, kid boo is a problem because kid boo definitely beat Cell.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Oh man, I want to change.
SPEAKER_02Oh no, Cell is a Vilchamite. I forgot.
SPEAKER_03Cell's a Vilchamite?
SPEAKER_02Cell has every Cell in the universe. So Vilchamite, too. Alright.
SPEAKER_03That should take over. That's when you start. That's why he wouldn't he wouldn't have lost if he had that.
SPEAKER_02He got it.
SPEAKER_03If he had it in Dragon Ball. He does. Nah, he doesn't. Y'all, y'all in Dragon Ball. There's no Vilcher Mite. Yeah, they are. Where?
SPEAKER_02Freezer got him up out of here.
SPEAKER_03He had to. They was like, we not being slaves.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, they was like, yeah, we're not being slow. We're not being slaves. We're not those stupid monkeys down the street. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Y'all dead. Stay bowed. They bowed. I get it. Um, I kind of want to switch out for Gato from um with uh Oh, the evil one. Yeah, I think I'll switch him out over um Upper Moon 1. Okay. Because um he was, and that's also another character. The original Gator before he had that in his head is another character who could have been the main character. Yeah, he was dope. Yeah, he had flaws in his his technique, but he was also like really.
SPEAKER_02I like how his philosophy, like they both they both like switch philosophies at the same time. That's that's a really good writing. That's what I'm talking about. That's why JJK got it. Really good. I think it's the next Dragon Ball Z I told you that.
SPEAKER_03Nah, they have like a good well, you're right. You you you mentioned in the last episode their power scaling. Oh, that shit is you need a PhD. I will say, and this is a whole nother category, real quick, because they talked about I was I was reading up on Maki a little bit, and I realized why I think the heavenly restriction build is far always gonna be better than the sorcerers. Number one is implications. Come on, brother. It's implications.
SPEAKER_02You gotta stop. Yo, this guy ran up on the side. Yeah, and he died. You have an attraction to these losers. These guys are not losing. Maki's a loser. Maki's loser if she runs up on the six. No, matter of fact, because you're going for the greatest sky. You know who she's gonna run up on? She's gonna run up on such a nut. She's gonna get a lick. Die. Oh, she's not.
SPEAKER_03She's gonna die.
SPEAKER_02You know, you know something I don't know?
SPEAKER_03No. Oh, that's I just don't think they're gonna kill. I think that he is a precursor to the capability. I'll get a mocky t-shirt. You gotta wear it for six episodes. I'll wear it for two episodes. Two is not good. Come on, son. That's four letters. I need four.
SPEAKER_02Two syllables, nigga. I'll wear it for two episodes. If she if she fights Sukuna and don't die. Because one thing I like about uh JJK, they ain't playing that Dragon Ball Z shit. Nobody's coming back unless you unless your name is Gojo.
unknownWho?
SPEAKER_02Goku Gojo.
SPEAKER_03He's coming back. Oh, Toji got a he got a little get back. Niggas is all coming back. Yeah. When they did that, they actually did a reanimation, and I was like, but Maki, though, she killed the whole clan by herself. Them niggas was soft. The Zening clean is a big part of the big three. Soft. That's what Magumi called. It's really a big one. Toji comes from that one. Soft. It's really a big one. That's a big three. It's really just one, nigga. Talking about the um, I'm talking about the cleanse, the big clean. I know, and it's really just one. In nah, they their clan was pretty dope.
SPEAKER_02They can't mess once the six eye shit gets incarnated into one of their kids, it's over. It's a grown man. A grown man. Yeah. I was mad about that.
SPEAKER_03Who?
SPEAKER_02You're mad. He wasn't mad. He can't see the city. He wasn't mad. Like, what's this about? Oh, he sees me. Yeah, he was like, I don't got no curse energy. And the nigga was still like, because he I could feel the hate. He felt the hate.
SPEAKER_03The heavily restriction build. You can't sense them because they have no curse energy. And he's still sensing. You know why? They could sense curse energy though.
SPEAKER_02Of course. But you know why he sense them? Because he can see behind his head. Forget about that. Got the blue. If you can sense everything, wouldn't a dead spot be very obvious to you? A dead spot? Yeah, like let's say you could hear everything. Yeah, but this is this one guy. You're right. You're right. Yeah, I think once he felt that dead spot, he was like, What is what is that? Why is there why is there something I can't see? Whoa. And then he then he saw him alright. And then later on, he didn't see him coming though. No, he cheated. He cheated. How'd he cheat? He had to use the shit that he said he was never gonna use. That back nigga, you looking at the backpack right now. What's in that backpack?
SPEAKER_03No, I'm talking about when he ran up on um, he ran up on Gojo in the first place. Gojo didn't sense him. Yeah, no. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02It's not about the backpack. No, but at that point, Gojo was like, he's he he needed that fight. He needed that fight. Who? Well, clearly not your man. He's dead. But go Gojo needed that fight. If Gojo didn't have that fight, he's not the Gojo he is today. My point is shout out, uh, what's his name? What's your man's name again?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, don't be disturbed.
SPEAKER_02I forgot, I forgot, I forgot.
SPEAKER_03Toji. Toji.
SPEAKER_02Um don't do the you know the last name too. Yeah, but you had to Google A train's name. You Jesse T. O. You a bad dude. You're wild. All right, man. That's it. We done I think we're done. I think we done. Um listen, this is about to be on YouTube. We're about to start a TikTok. Follow us at the Real Talk Podcast on YouTube. Uh, the Real Talk Dot Podcast on Instagram. That's our bro. Instagram. Instagram? Yeah. I think that's I'm gonna be better at this. I promise you, I'm more professional than this. I'm just a little bit off my square because your man is telling me something about like Nah, this man's been hustling.
SPEAKER_03That's why I'm exhausted. He's been working hard. This guy's telling me some nonsense today.
SPEAKER_02I'm not. Y'all heard what I'm apologizing.
SPEAKER_03Both arguments, you heard both points of view. You understand. You think about it, you go back and watch, you'll see what I'm talking about. Niggas ain't beating Radish, man. That's all I'm saying. Radis is getting beat up by a little four-year-old's headbutting him and stuff, broke his ribs, and a green dude with a beam with one. That dude is black. Stop it. A green dude.
SPEAKER_02How many black coded characters do they got in the Vilchama Empire? They don't, they're not coded. They're just they're just black. What they do is yo, listen. Lucan is still outside.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think it's. Lucan survived. Why are you going to the front line? He's in the last one. Why he don't got a desk job? Why he don't got a desk job? I wouldn't want to be on the desk. Why don't you got a desk job? So first we complain. Why are you not calling a shot? We get complaints, we complain about being put in the kitchen, but then we get in the front line. Why are you in the front line? No, no, no, no. They put the black people in the kitchen.
SPEAKER_02I didn't know that.
SPEAKER_03They used to, yeah.
SPEAKER_02They educated me.
SPEAKER_03Now they put now they put you in the front line. You mad?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's a die. Lucan is about it, too. Now he is. Exactly. And Drag knows that. He's still not telling his man, like, yo, we got a family to live for, man. There's no family.
SPEAKER_03Unless this family's Anisa's. I don't think it's looking real good.
SPEAKER_02She's not black.
SPEAKER_03I'm not saying she's black, but of all the women left, is that old lady. This lady with the I think she's strong. I thought y'all like strength. Who?
SPEAKER_02Who's your old lady? She gotta be strong. I think she's the best breed of material. According to y'all. It's Anise Anisa. How she's not old.
SPEAKER_03Anise was fighting with Nolan for a minute. Go back with Nolan.
SPEAKER_02Nolan felt bad for her. They trying to nerf my man, Nolan. They are trying to nerf him. I don't like that. I don't like that.
SPEAKER_03My man caught two punches down to earth, back. I don't like that. But he duffed him though. He got a lick. He did.
SPEAKER_02And it was an effect, it was Yeah, he duffed him. He got him. Yeah. That goes to show. See, no Nolan not losing the radish. The air of Argyll. Yeah.
unknownHe's coming.
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