NHL Draft Combine med Cam Robinson: ”Mental krigsföring”

Hockeysäsongen 2025/2026 börjar gå mot sitt slut vilket innebär att NHL-draften närmar sig med stormsteg. I veckans avsnitt ringer Framtidens stjärnor upp Elite Prospects Cam Robinson, som befinner sig på NHL:s Draft Combine, för att dyka djupare i snacket kring svenskarna inför årets draft.

Medverkande: Martin Jansson, Simon Eld & Cam Robinson.

00:00 - Programstart
04:41 - Spännande draftordningen i årets draft – Hur tänker klubbarna?
13:16 - Cam Robinson från NHL Draft Combine i Buffalo
17:00 - Så mycket väger klubbarna in vad som händer på Draft Combine
22:19 - Snacket kring Torontos förstaval – McKenna vs Stenberg
28:13 - Föregångarna som bannat väg för Viggo Björck i NHL?
31:59 - Spelarna som stärkte sina aktier under U18-VM
42:12 - Målvakternas chanser i draften
44:18 - Han kan bli en All Star bredvid en Cale Makar
53:53 - Stora hyllningen till Viggo Björck

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Varmt välkomna till framtidens stjärnor podkastande djupdyker i svensk genuck med folk på G20 G14 och tv-båkan. Svarigt Martin.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Ja, precis här efter två veckor sedan vi hade senaste avsnittet med fred nord. Kul för glöm inte att gilla oss och följa oss på sociala medier och på Spotify YouTube här framöver också. Så ni inte missar någonting.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Ja, precis. Det här är många starka citater i avsnittet. Men idag blir det lite annat fok och draften och lite kombine och de delarna som pågår just nu.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Ja, nu är ju säsongen över i stort sett. Det är ju lite av höllstret spel kvar och ställer kappinalen såklart. Men det är ju ingenting som vi lägger så stor vikti i den här podden. Nu blir det ju verkligen den här tiden på året när det börjar bli dags för Nelldraften, och det är ju den stora händelsen i av många av de här unga killarnas liv som kommer här snart.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Ja, exakt. Och som jag nämnde med kombin. De är ju redan över rätt många av dem. Övriga lite tester och intervjuer, det är väl framför allt hur viktigt det där är. Men det vill framför allt tjäna på lite stämningen tycker jag. Eller tycker att det känns som utifrån och spelarna får kanske någon liten ända bild på något svar. Men det känns som mycket satt nu kring vad folk tycker och tänker av de här spelarna.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

Ja, helt klart. Man har ju visat över en hel säsong. Ta vi våra toppspelare i den här draftet som är till exempel Ivar och Vigor och vilken otroligt matisk säsong de har haft. Det är ju rätt offart när man tänker på det med SOL och JVM och COL och VM och landslag. Det är ju så mycket matcher. De får ingen vil och ingen ro här utan de har ju åkt direkt från VM till Bafflå för kombinet.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Ja, jag tänker bara hela den att få svar på samma frågor hela tiden om draften och hur tidigt man väls och speciellt vidga med hur många frågor man får om sin storlek och alltid pojker under VM och så åkar dit och får fortsätta ställa frågorna, så de måste vara ganska trötta i huvudet också bara av det.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Ja, så är det ju. Efter draften kan man tänka sig. Eller du väntar lite Development camps och sånt där. Man får nyt för de lite grejligt att bara landa lite i vad den här säsongen har varit. Vi brukar sitta i början på sången och prata om att det är en påresten säsong där vi är ju 18 spelaren och inte minst för topparna i kullen. Det är ju många som kommer att bli väldigt glada i den här. Så det är ju alltid någon som blir besviken. Så det är så business är liksom. Jag hoppas att alla spelar får hinna landa lite också.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Ja, och vi ska ju ha en gäst där avsnitt också.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Ja, precis. Vi kommer haligt Prospekts Cam Robinson, som är faktiskt på plats på kombinen. Så det ska bli väldigt intressant att höra hans tankar där bortifrån och ju en initierad person när det kommer till att tjäna scouter och prata med folk där borta. Så det blir ett lite annat perspektiv för det vi har Sverige. Vi pratar ju mycket, eller om man tar under VM så var det ju extremt mycket snack om Stenber och Björk, och det är klart vi ska prata lite om dem, men även kanske ha lite om de andra svenskarna och de andra toppspelarna i den här kullen.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Ja, för det känns ju lite som att de faller bort ofta. Fantligen pratar man hela draften, alla spelare. Du är många amerikaner, kanadensare, alla möjliga nationaliteter och sen så annars pratar man om Europa, och då är det massa finn och checker och lätt som lät sig in där. Så det är ju också att lätta sig ner lite. Bland de svenskarna som är lite längre ner. För ofta så är det ju några av dem som faktiskt tar sig hela vägen och överska ganska mycket. Det är där man hittar intressanta fyn också.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Ja, precis. Så vill man veta mer om de här bredd spelen, så kan man ju kika in Jimbrins monster textbock i Sverige som femti bästa, eller vad man ska säga, draftsaktuella svenska spelare. Eller spelarna i Sverige, det var ju några utländska namn där också som spelar ju 20 serie. Men det är klart att det finns jättemycket. Det är en bred svensk draftkull vi har år och en ganska spets i. Vi har ju faktiskt fler stycken som kan gå i första rundan. Jag ser fall fyra stycken som mer eller mindre givna, kanske 5 och 6 också. Så det kommer ju bli väldigt spännande såklart.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

Ja, jag tror, det är lite Prospekt, just de har väl flera stycken i Prospekt också från Sverige, så det känns väldigt spännande också. Olika typer av spelare, olika positioner, olika möjliga roller för de är nu några som kan klämmas in och spela. I hierarkin och tugga de jobb av minuterna. Och även de som är lite högre upp och ska driva spelet mer och backar. Malti just av sånt exempel, som ser riktigt spännot ut.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

Ja. Bra mix. Ja, men precis. Så samtidigt så är det också en spännande draftordning tycker jag i och med att Toronten som absolut inte är ett bottenlag eller är en ribild även om det är en riktigt dålig säsong. Så är det ju ett lag med flera skärmspelare som ska kunna vara upp och utmana direkt. Jag ska intressant att höra med kamsen, men det är något jag tänker att hur mycket draftar dem för att få en färdig spelare till nästa år så kan man utmara redan då. Eller tänker man mer kanske är superstjärn om fyra år eller Ivers Stenberg, jag tror att de flesta håller med, det är en mer klar och komplett spelare idag. Vad väljer man där? Det tycker jag är ett väldigt intressant perspektiv just i att det är inte det här av, vi tar en spelare med högst potential. Det kanske inte är så man tänker i år utan i år kanske man tänker lite mer kortsiktigt.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Jag tycker också att det är väldigt intressant just med Toronto och hela den pressen som finns där. Jag menar, det är en helt annan sak för Liokatsen att röftas till Anaheim och gå fram där i Lungn och roligt. Pressen utifrån media och pressen på att kluben ska lyckas. Toronta har ju en enorm bevakning. Men jag tänker också hur mycket spelar in, spelarens mentala styrka. Står emot den där när de kliver in i liggan. Det känns som något som de borde tänka på.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

Ja, verkligen. Vi kan har ju intervjuat honom några gånger. Det är ju raktunkille som är väldigt duktig på det han gör. Och sen tror jag ändå att säga i var är väldigt balanserade tro att han har kunnat hantera det väldigt bra det klimatet sområdet där. Och det jag tycker är spännande. Det är väl nästan att så här snacket går vi om det där. Gällen vi kan Livarstepen som går nummer ett. Men i andra handen, om säga att min kan gå nummer ett då har de flesta ivar som fyra, vilket är sjuktmärkligt och något som kommer bli väldigt kul att följa. För sans är också en position där man har väldigt mycket yttervart. Kommer man draften till i Forvard eller kommer på backspåret. Det finns väldigt mycket olika parametrar i den här draften som gör den spännande tycker jag.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Ja, verkligen en så annan sak man jag har tänkt på är just med malte bland annat stil. Det finns ju rätt bra backar också tillgängliga i draften. Då frågan också om det finns lag som känner att de har nått att få ut av att frida tidigt val. För att de egentligen heller vill ha en back som de tror kan bli tillgänglig ner i draften. Och något som är tänkt på att de vet, eller vet. Men mer troligt att de får en sån där bra back även om de kasar bort ett sånt fart.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Ja, verkligen. Det är inte alls möjligt att vi ser att det börjar hända grejer där och att lagen börjar röra på sig som du säger för att anpassa sig efter mer till sina behov. Det är också en extra kudd på det här också. Vankuver har ju anställt Kille med Holtrås pappa som huvudrannigen för nästa år de har 3D-valet och han är typ kanske en tredje bästa spelare i den här draften. I alla fall just nu så här på förhand. Så det är också en extra kudd där för den att hugga i har men sagt.

SPEAKER_01 7:32

Och Sundin i Toronto och lite hans inflytande där så det är väl också lite spännande utifrån vad Ivar hamn om. Eller möjligheterna för något pratade om just möjligheterna för Chikago och vi kommer ta vilket val de har fyra. Möjlighet att Ivar trillar ner till fjärdeplatsen och få ivar, Stenböck och Anton Fodell i samma prospektpullar på väg upp. Det hade varit kul.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Ja, verkligen. Och sen så på samma tema där. Vilket lag är modigast att ta Vig och Björk tidigt. Det är det det kommer handla om. Det kommer att vara en del kritik tror jag, om en topp 5 kansa på honom i och med hans storlek. Men de kommer ju se ut som skenier i slutändan är jag ganska säker på. Det där är också en väldigt intressant aspekt av den här draften i att det är ju inte alls så möjligt att han går 4-5 om något lag bara vi kör. Han är den bästa spelaren tillgängligare. Han är ju draftens överlägsligt bästa center just nu, det tycker jag inte är något större utvival om. Men det han visar upp i VM, JVM och SUL. Så där har man ju också en spännande grej.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Ja, frågan är om, som jag hade varit GM för något lag som väljer lite senare så hade man ju matat just den här grejen till och hand att han är för liten för att försöka hoppas att han trillar ner så långt det går så man kan få ett bättre val där. En annan grej som jag också tycker är lite spännande ska fråga kam om är command också. Han är ändå resor stikt upp på listor ganska snabbt under efter året, han har haft. Och också växt ganska mycket i storlek. Och det känns som att det är väl skriskåkningen där som hålls emot honom lite. Men när det växer så snabbt så är ju det också. Det håller hänga ihop. Du vet ju inte vad som händer sen. Han fyller ut och fyller på med det andra, an passat efter sin storlek.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Nej, så är det. Sen tycker jag också, om man kollar på slutspelet i år så är det ju verkligen tycker jag att de mindre spelarna har ju verkligen visat att man kan vara riktigt effektiva även i ställiga kapsspel på sånt som Logan Stänkoven eller Benson i Buffalo som ju har varit riktigt riktigt bra. Och det är också intressant att höra hur. För det är någonting vi vet att den här klubbarna svänger ganska mycket i vad som gör ett vinnande lag. Man kollar ju väldigt mycket på de lagen som vinner, och tänker jag, vi gör likadant. Och det har ju varit mycket lite större spelare de senaste åren, men nu Carolina har ju några mindre liare och lyckas riktigt bra. Det kan ju också göra att pennen svänger lite mer just med storleken.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Ja, det är tänkte jag faktiskt också på väg hit just det här med att jag säger att om några år att fler inte kan vilja gå närmare en Viggbjörkmodell av en spelare för att någon visar att det går mindre spelare. Nu är det ganska tydligt att många tycker om just stora centrar och vill ha den storleken. Men det är intressant att det kan ju svänga. Och det vet de inte. De dröftar ju efter hur det ser ut nu.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Ja, verkligen. Det är lite där man pratar om också: flugor med att i världstänver sig, de har ingen hög Xfaktor. Och då tror jag bara inte att man har tagit sitt jobb seriöst och kollat speciellt mycket på dem. För det har han. Det är ju där också som man kan bli lite såkig på med Nordamikanerna att de är väldigt lata i att hitta anledningar till att inte drafta någon eller så där. Det kommer bli intressant att följa. Jag tror oavsett vem som går detta nu så kommer det ju alltid vara den här diskussionen framöver. Det kommer ju vara redrafts, och det kommer vara spekulationer att om man borde ha ett studentspel och måste ta i gränspelare. Det är ju svårt att veta nu, det finns ju folk som jobbar med det där. Men det kommer ju alltid öppnas upp för diskussioner där.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Det som jag också tänker just Mivare att det känns som att pratas kanske för lite om det defensiva som han bidrar med också. För han är ju späts framåt är faktiskt gedaktig just i hemgångarna och sånt. Och det sätt som du sa tidigare, han känns ju mer redo komplett på det sättet redan nu. Och det tycker jag nästan borde prata mer om istället för att göra mycket, eller kommer kunna göra till många mål.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Ja, och kollar vi på hans utvecklingskurva så har ju den också. Det är inte så att han är den här killen som är komplett när han är 18 och kommer sluta vara det. Allt pekar ju på att han blir ju bättre hela tiden. Under hela den säsongen så har ju bara tagit steg och steg och steg. Han kommer bli större och han kommer bli starkare. Det är ju en best in the making. Han kommer vara olta i Norda framöver, det är helt säker. Förmodligen redan nästa säsong kommer man börja färga. Så pass bra jag tycker jag.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

Ja, precis. Jag tror också att jag tror att de sa det själva nu också. Både Stenbör och byka det helt upp till klubberna som händer nästa år. Men det är verkligen intressant se vad som händer just med stenbar ha utgående kontrakt. Och Viggo. Det är väl många som är ganska överens om att man skulle behöva ett år i SOL och fylla på lite. För att kunna ta det vidare sen.

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Ja, framförallt tror jag att han hade kunnat. Det vi har sett att de göra i juniorligorna i landslagen så redan i år så visade han ju upp de här offensiva tendenserna speciellt under våren genom en säson till SUL. Jag tror att jag är över 30 poäng lätt.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Ja, det tror jag också. Det tror jag också är ett bra just bra steg att han får visa det och komma in i Norda Amerika på rätt sätt.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Ja, vi kan väl ta och höra av oss till Kand där ingen upp dem från Buffalo och se vad han har för rapporter och ge därifrån. Vi har Kim Robinson here live from Buffalo at the combine. Kem, how are you doing? How is Buffalo?

SPEAKER_02 13:24

Ja, du. Finnished upp the Memorial Cup about 16 hours ago, it feels like, and uh, and raced to Buffalo for the combine. This is always a really valuable experience, I think, to gain information and meet with players and agents and teams.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

Yeah, how has the last couple of months been here? I know you guys released your uh Elite Prospects uh draft guide here. It's it's always uh a pleasure to read that one. How can you tell us a bit about the work behind that uh that guide?

SPEAKER_02 13:53

It is an enormous amount of work that uh the entire team puts in, but uh but you know, namely Mitch Brown and and Lauren Kelly and Yannick and David St. Louis. And it's a it's a huge undertaking, as you can tell by just the sheer volume um of information that comes out of it. And and you know, Hans, our graphics designer, does great work. And and this year we made it uh, you know, so it's it's web friendly, so you can actually like sift through and sort by you know heights and weights and players and rankings and different things like that. So it's I think it's a lot more user-friendly this year, which is which is really useful for people. Um, but it's just uh it's a massive document and and a lot of information. It's something that we really take a lot of pride in.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Yes, speaking from someone who has who has used it, it's uh it's really good to to shift through through everything and just get a nice view of all the players. But how much time do you have now to to relax, or is it straight back to to work during the combine or yeah, so uh so I am far from the lead on that project.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Like I said, those people that I mentioned before, they you know, I I think Lauren edited something like over a hundred thousand words in a week or something, you know, and and people had to write those words too. So it's uh for me, I I you know, I'm I'm on the road a lot. I'm doing a lot of writing on the road, a lot of scattering reports, um, networking, breaking stories, and things like that. Um so that continues for me, although games have now ended. Uh so it's it's it's basically just trying to feel the pulse of the league and and try to get a gauge on what players are gonna go where and and and see if we can't predict the final the final couple of things here before the draft and then summer break, and then we start again in August at Holinka.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

Yeah, but tell us a bit about uh the combine. What uh what line of work do you do there? Like what is the vibe and the atmosphere at this combine?

SPEAKER_02 15:34

A lot of excitement, a lot of nervous energy from the kids, I would say. Like this is obviously a big, big week for them. Um, depending on who you are, you might have you know 25 or 30 interviews with teams. Um, they can vary in length. And and these kids are for the most part really well prepared for it. You know, their agents look after them and try to get them ready. But you know, teams are equally prepared and they're trying to catch you up and try to really find out like how you tick. Um, so I think that that kind of mental warfare is is something that's been weighing on a lot of these players' minds. And so they are a little, a little woundly tight, uh tightly wound, I should say. Um, and then of course the physical testing coming later this weekend, which is again, once you get past that kind of warfare mentally, then you got to do it physically. Um, so I would say a lot of nervous energy, a lot of excitement though from teams. Um, you know, I got in late last night and and immediately ran into the Blackhawk staff there and Kyle Davidson and uh you know the blue staff talking. Like it's it's you know, I I try to stay at the hotel where the all the teams are staying at too, because you can find them in a different environment. You know, maybe it's the hotel gym or the breakfast buffet or something, and and it's a little more relaxed. Um, and you can try to get a little bit more information out of teams on, you know, hey, who are you taking up for dinner this week or who you taking up for lunch? And you know, you can kind of figure out if they're more interested in a player if they're taking them out for a steak dinner versus for a 30-minute you know club sandwich lunch. Um so it's it's a lot of that going on, but uh but the kids are definitely excited, the agents are here trying to keep them grounded, and then and then everybody's getting ready to to suffer through the wing gate and the VO2 Max on Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 17:02

As you said, a lot a lot of the players are nervous, but how much does the the team weigh in everything that happens during this week? The the physical tests and the interviews and everything.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

A lot. A lot, I do, I do believe. So I do I do my scout poll, um, and that's actually it's supposed to come out today, so so today is Wednesday, so hopefully that we get the graphics out in time. But um, you know, I I put that in there, and and you know, the teams are quickly to say it too. It's like, here's our list, but our final list won't be final until the day of the draft. And so teams don't just stop because the game stop. They do all their big scout meetings before this, but now you know I've heard I've heard some crazy stories coming out of the combine where you know I I I heard one team, Nick Suzuki walked out of their interview, and the GM said he'll never be a player in this league. And consequently, they didn't draft him. And I think Nick Suzuki got a hundred points this year. Um, so there are some guys that you know absolutely blow the socks off everyone, like Anton Frondell last year photo. Apparently, you know, unsurprisingly, he's such a great kid. Um, wowed everybody that he went into the room with. And then there are stories about kids who walk in there and they, you know, a little too laissez-faire, don't care, and they turn teams off considerably too. Um, so I I think the interview process themselves, uh, that that holds a lot of weight with teams. The testing, some tests I think are indicative of how well prepared a player is. Um, but again, you can look at it, it's kind of like a double-edged sword. Is that like, oh, look at how many pull-ups this player did? Look at, you know, their standing vertical leap and all these things. But then you can also think of that and be like, huh, now they're already probably physically developed to a point where this player over here, who couldn't even do a pull-up, you know, has a lot of growth left to come. And so how's that going to impact their game? Is this player already maxed out and this one has a lot of runway, or is this player actually taking their fitness seriously and this one isn't, and that's gonna be a downfall? So it's so you you really have to do some mental gymnastics when you're looking at these things too. But so I think that the physical testing is probably less important to teams than the actual interviews.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

If we take the um top players, for an example, like uh uh for the number uh one to three picks uh like Stemburg, McKenna, and and those types of guys, do you think the teams have already made up their mind about like that level of talent, or is it for them as well to persuade someone at this week?

SPEAKER_02 19:17

I think that they've made up their mind on the level of talent. I do I like I think for the most part, teams and you know the ones that that give show me their lists, um, you know, they have they have clear spots for most players. Um, but whether or not it's gonna be a fit for their organization, I think is still up for grabs. Um so so you might you might value a kid like Ivar Stenberg as you know the the most skilled player in the draft, but it doesn't mean you'll necessarily take him at number one if you had that opportunity too. So I I do think that there is time to for list to be massaged. Um there are tiers inevitably, teams have tiers that they look at and there can be shifting amongst that tier. Um and then that's where they look at moving back too. If you know all of a sudden their pick lands and they're like, we have four players in this tier that we really, really like, um, and we're happy with getting any of them. Maybe we slide back three picks, maybe we slide back five picks and and and hope that we get one of them still too, and and because we feel like that that player is still gonna be there. So that allows them a little bit of freedom too. But no, I would say that there's still room for movement here at this point.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Are you expecting a lot of a lot of trades? Uh or is it is impossible to say this early? Because uh, as I said before, there's a lot of good defensemen available, but like maybe someone can tr try and um trade their uh an early pick for because they know they they want a defenseman later on.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

Mm-hmm. I mean, we can hope. I hope every year. I hope every year we see trades. It's um if we're talking about like lottery picks getting moved, it's so difficult. It happens so infrequently. Um, but you know, like I had a team tell me that they're like San Jose is not just listening on number two, like they are actively talking to teams about moving that pick. And it's like that's you know, they they'd be derelict in their duties if they weren't, you know, at the the kind of the the the part of their evolutionary cycle now is that they need they need to keep moving forward, they don't necessarily need another number two overall pick that might take a couple of years before they're an impact player. Um, so so it makes a lot of sense. But number one, you know, draft picks never have more value than they do moments before they're used. So at this point in time, it's uh that that value is so massive that teams aren't necessarily willing to pay that price to get up there. Um and then at the end of the day, a team can also look at it and be like, uh, you know, like yes, maybe we get ourselves better in the in the short term, but are we are we losing in the long term? And that and that's not usually a a scenario that that many teams want to gamble with, too. So I would say it's as unlikely as it is every year, but maybe slightly less this year, it feels like, just because of who's picking where, and like you mentioned, the glut of defenders that kind of come after those first couple of forwards, or maybe three forwards if you include Caleb Moholja, um, that there will be an opportunity for a team that's like, hey, I need a defenseman. I don't need to take them at number two or number three. I can slide. Back and get a really good one at six or seven still. And consequently, uh, conversely, for a team like Calgary picking at six, they could be like, maybe we don't need a defenseman right now, maybe we want one of those forwards, and we're willing to be like, here's number six plus plus to get us up into that Evars, Denver, Caleb Moholtra level.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Yeah, uh I I'm also curious about like uh what is the talk about Toronto? Yeah, I mean, there's a special organization, it's a special place to play it with comes with many challenges. What what are they thinking? Uh what do you think they're uh they're going into this draft kind of mindset?

SPEAKER_02 22:36

Well, I mean I don't I can't tell you if they're gonna take Gavin McKenna. I assume they're gonna take Gavin McKenna at number one. I think that they are going to talk about all the scenarios that that make the most sense there for them, including a defenseman, including a center. Um but at the end of the day, I I think that most everyone agrees that if you want to go big on talent and and have the potential for the highest upside player in this draft offensively, that's Gavin McKenna. Um and so especially like you mentioned, it's a it's a special place, it's a unique place, and it's also a place that has very rabid fan base, too, right? Um I'm sure there's already been some McKenna jerseys printed up and are on the backs of some fans already. And so the to weigh the backlash that might come with that too is probably on their mind. Now it's a brand new executive group there, uh kind of a fresh start, and so you're gonna have a lot of leash, a lot of runway with the fan and with ownership, obviously, too. So it's like if they can convince themselves and and and ownership that it's like, hey, Chase Reed is the guy that we think we want to build around, or Ivar Stenberg's the guy we want to build around, or Caleb Molta, then it's not out of the question that they could do that. But from you know what we're expecting and what we're hearing from other teams, everybody's expecting it to be McKenna, and then San Jose kind of holds the keys to the to the rest of the lottery picks there at number two.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Yeah, um you mentioned uh Ivar Sternberg, and he's just coming coming there from uh the world championship, um playing on the top line. How much how much bus is there around him after after that tournament?

SPEAKER_02 24:02

He had a great tournament. He had a great tournament. I was I was chatting with his agent on the plane right over here. Um hopefully tomorrow. Um he's a good kid. I think everybody knows how skilled he is. Um you know, it's kind of buzzing around right now that I had reported that uh some teams are concerned about his size, and that's kind of leaving the rest of the discussion off to the sidelines. And I got radioed a little bit there. Is that is that I think teams are concerned with building on the wing with a smaller winger. And and he's not small, but it's like this is a foundational piece that you need to get at number two or number three or something like that. And and teams are hesitant just in general to build off the wing. And so he, you know, McKenna kind of has a little bit of a a little bit of a pass there because he could be someone who could score 100 points or more in the league, uh, where I'm not sure Stenberg has quite that level. He doesn't have that, you know, those separating skills. He's very good at a lot of things, and he's a high competitor and a high drive and a great person too. So that's where I think the his world championships were excellent. I think that it was a statement made. Uh, but at the same time, I would argue that maybe Vigo Bjork's was more important to his draft stock than Yvar's was. Um that that that Bjork, because he's quite undersized and plays the middle of the ice, that he's gonna have to continue to prove it at every single level. Um, so you know, he proved it the J18, the J20, the the SHL this year, the world juniors, and now he proved it at the World Championships against NHL level talent at times. Um, but he'll have to continue to do that. And so I think that that was another kind of notch in his belt uh where Stenberg, it's like he had a great SHL season. Yeah, it slowed down a little bit at the end, and then it popped at the World Championships. But unsurprisingly, I think, you know, with the with the role and the deployment that he got, he's a good player. You know, he's a good, good player, and he's playing with a guy like Lucas Raymond and Vigo, and and that they were able to generate points, and and he was able to you know drive that line at times as well, too. So I don't think that's a shock to teams. I think they know he's good, um, and that's why he's gonna be a top five pick.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Yeah, you say top five, like what do you think is the risk that he falls like four to four or five just because of the needs of the teams that have the number two and the number three pick if you just assume that McKenna is the number one?

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Yeah, that's right. I I think that if the lottery had had gone a different way, that I'd feel a lot more confident saying that he's a top three pick. Um just the way that the balls have landed there, that San Jose, you know, it it doesn't make a lot of sense for them to go kill Moholja. So I think if they it does make sense for them to go with a kid like Chase Reed or Carson Carls if they think they need a number one defenseman. Um, but personally, and I've said this right from from day one, I think that they just end up taking Stenberg at two. That's what I would do if it was me, so maybe that's why I'm leaning that way. Um, but I do have also said this as well, is that I think that if he doesn't go two, I think there's a very like real world where he doesn't go until five. I think that we could see that happen again. I think Chicago Blackhawks fans have pulled their hair out watching Chicago pass on Demidoff a couple years ago and then pass on Stenberg now, uh, potentially for a defenseman. Um again, that that would be that would be upsetting for them, but I do think that it's it's within the realm of possibility. And then I think that the New York Rangers would walk up, sprint up to the podium, the virtual podium, I suppose, and and take Stenberg at five.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

What do you think we could see from from him la uh next season? Um do you think he he could go into the NHL and and and do things as uh from Dell did?

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Yeah, I do. I I think that he is among the most NHL ready players in this class. Um I think that next year looking at kind of that Calder class, he'd be right up there in my opinion. Uh especially if he goes somewhere like San Jose, where they have so much talent up front. Uh, not to say that he would get to slide right on to Macklin Cellebrini's wing, but oh boy, if he did, now we're gonna see a lot of points generated as well, right? So uh conversely, like if he goes to Vancouver, I'd say that it's maybe a little less likely that he's gonna pop and put up a ton of points just because of where they are in their life cycle and the skill that they have up front. So it'd be a it'd be a bit of a slower burn. So uh where he lands, you say him in Chicago, right? You put him in Chicago, you put him next to Connor Bedard or Frankie Nazar, something like that, and it's gonna be it's gonna generate some points too. So his landing spot will be um telling on how impactful he'll be in the short term, immediate short term. Um, but long term, I think he's gonna be an excellent player who generates, you know, around a point a game.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Yeah, if we move the to uh uh Vigo Bjork, it's uh I think it's interesting with the playoffs that we had, like the smallish players like Logan Stenkoven and Benson in Buffalo. How much do you think that they could have improved Vigo's draft stock with what they have shown that you can be small and still be a beast in the playoffs?

SPEAKER_02 28:34

I I I do, I think it's helped. I I I do. I'll say is that I've been pleasantly surprised with the feedback I've gotten from NHL teams on Vigo Bjork, and I think that that speaks volumes to the level of player that he is, and and just like you know, I was talking to a team just last week in Kelowna too, and and you know, they were saying that you know his skills are are not average, but not spectacular. Like he doesn't have blazing speed, he doesn't have electric hands, his shot isn't a rocket, all these things, and I was like, yeah, his superpower is his brain and and his ability to force opponents into bad decisions and make those decisions quicker so that he can use what speed he has to get a jump on, loose pucks and things like that. Um, you know, he's so so strong and his puck protection skills. Like so when you look at a guy like Zach Benson, who's an absolute menace, who just throws his body into any collision possible, and you look at Logan Stankoven, who's very similarly profiled as Vigo, with, you know, maybe a little harder skill, but um not as not as smart, I would say. Jackson Blake and Seth Jarvis, I think that seeing them succeed in the playoffs is is certainly helping um his stock. And you know, like he he ended up six on that scout pole that I did, which again, when historically looking at what teams value at the NHL level and at the draft, it's like you would think that he was gonna go 12, 14, which he still might naturally. These teams don't necessarily have a pick in that range that I'm talking to. Um but uh but I was pleased to see because I'm super high on Vigo. I think that whoever takes a chance on him and then insulates him in the right way, which means you need to have a bigger center, and you probably need to have him with larger wingers as well, ideally. Um, that there's there's a situation where he's gonna be a very, very impactful player, and in my opinion, no, he could he could certainly be the best center from this class.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

As you said uh earlier, that uh Vigo maybe like erased his his uh stock more than than Ivor during the world championship. What kind of answers do you think we we got from that tournament from singing there?

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Again, like I mean, like you heard Sidney Crosby talking about him afterwards, right? That he's he's obviously a skilled player and he's hard to get off the puck and he knows what he's doing out there, and and like to line up against Ryan O'Reilly and to take you know to take those those collisions and to battle in in open ice, and like that's and when I say open ice and like in the middle of the ice, and that's a big thing for a smaller player is that like Beagle will not be kept to the perimeter, where you know there are some players like even Gavin, right? Like he he McKenna has sometimes has issues getting into the middle of the ice against big strong opponents, um, where he can do a lot of his damage on the power play. And so I I do think that um he he proved that playing against good teams. Like, you know, the points didn't pop throughout the whole thing. Um, but again, he's very young for this class and he's small, and and it's like he doesn't have as long a runway in professional hockey as a guy like Stenberg does. So I I think it was very, very promising. And again, the people I'm talking to, they like him. They like him. It's just whether or not when it comes down to it, and that's at the end of the day, is that when the team is picking, they're gonna be looking at it, and you have to not just convince the scouts, but it's the GM that's gonna be making that selection that early. Um, and even if Vigo's number six on the board, he that GM might look and be like, I don't, I don't, I don't necessarily want to bet the house on a five foot-nine center. I'll take the defenseman. And that might happen a few times, and that might slip them closer to 10 or 12.

SPEAKER_01 31:46

Yeah, I think the funny thing as well when we talk about the the combine coming up, is that he's short, but he's a physical monster. Yeah, so he's strong. I mean, I mean it'd be interesting to see what he what he does over there.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Yeah, um, Cam, you were also at uh World U 18s in in Slovakia there. Um Vigo was not not, unfortunately, due to unforeseen circumstances, that still frustrates me. But uh uh Sweden won gold. Uh what what was your point of view on that tournament?

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Interesting tournament. Um Bratislava, beautiful city, had a great time in Bratislava. But uh it was it was certainly an interesting tournament. Having the US and Canada and Finland get bounced in the quarters, certainly spiced things up. Um obviously I was disappointed too that Vigo wasn't there. I've had plenty of opportunities to see him live, but I I wanted that kind of tail end of the draft season to get a look at him and and see him really dominate his his age level, which is what we expected. But I mean, Sweden got the gold without him anyway, so that was fine. Um, I think that a few players certainly helped their stock. Um, you know, I think Wyatt Cullen, first and foremost, that he really he endeared himself to a lot of teams there, uh, especially with the growth spurt. You know, he came into the U-17s a couple years ago as at five foot five or five foot six, and now all of a sudden he's six foot one and he's still growing. And you know, he missed a lot of the season with the hip injury, and so he was back looking healthy and looking dynamic and you know led the charge for USA, even though they're they're out early. Um Timothy Kazda, 27 eligible kid playing for Slovakia, the home team there that went all the way to the finals. I think that he he had a really strong tournament as well, and and and proved some things to people getting excited for next year. Um another 27 Meyer for Sweden there. I thought he was excellent as well. Another Carter Meyer for the US. Both Myers I thought were really good. Um Dima Jokin. So a lot of the 27 kids I thought really stood out. Not a ton of the 26 kids. Like I know Elton Hermenson um had a lot of points. I didn't think he was that great generally. I thought he had moments and I thought he feasted on a couple of lower-level teams, but the book on him is is what it is. Super skilled, a little enigmatic, you know, kind of kind of on and off. Um, but if you want to take a swing on someone with upside on the wing there, that he's he certainly wanted to consider in the teens. Um I thought command was good for Sweden as well. I think teams really value him too, that he that big heavy center who can win face-offs and play a two-way game. That I think he helped his stock as well, too.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Yeah, well, like um for Sweden, it was a tough tournament, especially in the group stage where they didn't play that great. Uh, what was like the talks among the the scouts and the the people there about some of the Swedish top performers? So I know uh there were a bit uh bit of a criticism against them.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

Yeah, so I I I think Marcus Nordmark took the brunt of that. Um there are some teams that certainly don't like his effort level, his body language, you know, his decision making on the ice. Um I echo those feelings. He's a frustrating player because you can see how skilled he is. And every now and again, he'll just turn on the Jets and do a wide power move and drive right to the net, and you're like, where's that? Like, let's let's keep that going here. And so, you know, I do think that he's gonna be a first-round pick still. I I think that he'll go in the 20s, maybe early 30s, uh, simply because this skill is uh this draft is light on skill, and and he has at times shown that he can have dynamic skill. Um so so he was certainly he was certainly a talking point. Um, less so Hermanson, I would say. Um Gustafson got a lot of love too, you know, and that there was a bug running through that Swedish dressing room and he missed a game due to illness too. I know Normbark was coming off being sick as well, but um, but yeah, Gustafson, he was very good. You know, he's not someone who's gonna wow you, obviously, uh, with his offensive game, but but defensively, skating, physical, just simple playmaking transition stuff is is really, really strong. So for for my money, like he's probably gonna end up the third defenseman on my board at the end of the day here. So I I really like him, and I thought his U 18s boosted his stock for sure.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Yeah, I was interested in to hear about uh what he said about uh Nordmark. Do you think do you think uh teams see it as they maybe can like coach that thing out of him or like co or coach him to to show the things he can do more often?

SPEAKER_02 36:03

The old I can fix them.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:06

Um yeah, mindset. Uh sure, yes, I I think that probably some teams will will, at the end of the day, will look at that and be like, we can work with skill, you know. Um some teams are more kind of in the line that it's like if if you don't have a fire lit already, it's much harder to light that fire than it is to try to damp it down for some players or to be like, you know, this player doesn't have as much skill, but we think that they have a a better base and a higher likelihood of actually being an NHL player. But again, like especially in a class like this, and especially when you're talking about first round picks, it's like, you know, a team like Carolina, you you look at their drafting history, you look at their philosophy, you talk to the staff in there, and it's like, why would we draft somebody who we think is going to play a bottom six role or a bottom pair defense? We'll go sign that guy for a million five. We'll go trade for him for a third round pick or a fourth round pick when we need him at 27. That's when those guys actually become valuable. So, so why would we why would we waste draft capital, especially early, early draft capital, on those type of players? So they're gonna swing big on upside. They're gonna look at market inefficiencies, they're gonna look at smaller skilled guys, they're gonna look at skilled guys who maybe have character or uh you know effort issues on ice. Um, they're gonna look at Russians, they're gonna, you know, they're gonna take those players that they think give them the best chance of it. If they break, it's top six, it's top four. If they don't, oh well, it didn't work out. We'll use a fourth round pick to go get that depth player later. Um, so so some teams will absolutely look at a kid like Nordmark and be like, worth it worth the risk at 18, 22, sort of thing. Uh, I'd be surprised if he went much earlier than that. And and I wouldn't be shocked if it was into the late 20s simply because of how I would say poorly his season ended. Um, but but he does have the skill, and this class is is light on that.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

Yeah, a favorite in in this room that we have talked a lot about. Uh you mentioned him as well, Alexander Command. Uh like what a season he had. No, no linker for him, and then he just uh went on to be uh, in my opinion, one of the best players on this uh Swedish U18. What is your thoughts?

unknown 38:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

Yeah, I I like him. I like him. Um I thought he was very good. Probably their best player, you know. Uh him and Gustafson were their two best players, best forward, anyways. Um, most consistent. He's heavy. He can get off the wall, he can get to the inside, he plays the middle of the ice. I was actually a little surprised how how low he ended up on um the scalp pole. Some teams had him right near the end of the first round. Um, I should have had my list up in front of me here. Some teams had him closer to 10. So I I think I think his highest spot was like 11 or 12 on one of the team's boards. Uh, but then there was a couple that were late 20s that kind of pushed him down further on the consensus board. Uh, but yes, I I wouldn't be surprised at all if he went even before the teens kicked off. If he was gone by 11 or 12, that wouldn't shock me. But I kind of predict that he's gonna be more of a mid-first rounder. Um, but uh, you know, another one where it's like this class is light on skill, it's also light on centers. And so once once Maholcher goes, once Vigo goes, you know, I think it's we're looking at Command and and Tynan Lawrence, and then it's it's Slim Pickens for sure. So if a team wants a center, they're probably gonna be quick to jump on a kid like him.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

I also interested to on command to hear your thoughts about this uh skating because I s I saw that some people were questioning uh or like pointing that that was uh a weak part of his game. Um but but he's also like grown a lot uh in the last months. Do you think like maybe people could uh see like take a chance that he he grows into that kind of that size uh a bit like I mean we were talking about a few years ago, like Frondel also grew a lot and then like grew into his size?

SPEAKER_02 39:55

Yeah, I I I I'm trying to say I'm gonna pull up right now and see what we gave him for a skating grade because like in my opinion his skating is fine. Like I yeah, so we gave him a five, which is average, which is projects to be NHL average, which is kind of where I see him too. I think that he's like you said, he's still growing into his body a little bit, but he is quite strong already, too. So it's like I don't I don't project him to all of a sudden get a big burst in the skating department, but I also don't think it's gonna be a limiting factor for him at the NHL level. I think he's gonna be a middle sixth center. I think he's gonna be a middle sixth center. I think that he has enough skill that you could project him to potentially being a second line center. Um, but if I was hedging, I would say it's more likely that he's gonna be a third line guy who can maybe help out on your second power play and play penalty kill and take important face-offs for you and defensive zone, all that uh that stuff that those intangibles and those little things that that really go towards helping a team win, that he's gonna be able to bring those things.

SPEAKER_00 40:46

If we talk about uh the this the Swedish draft class uh this year, who do you think will be like the biggest surprise in a few years? Maybe a lower pick that you think will uh shock the world if we shock the world, a Swede who will shock the world.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

Hey, let me bring up the list of Swedes in this draft to see if anybody jumps out at me here. Um gosh, shock the world.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

No, but like an underrated prospect, do you think uh like maybe not valued so high, but uh has like uh great NHL potential?

SPEAKER_02 41:25

I mean, like great, like you know, like Weigo, Vigo Zorensen, I thought was really good at the U18s. Yeah, um, I don't know if he has great NHL potential, but but he's he's certainly interesting. Um, you know, I I really liked Goodmunson. I thought he was good at the 18s as well, um, as just kind of a steady presence on the blue line there. Um yeah, gosh, I I'm trying to I'm looking at the list of these guys, and nobody nobody's nobody's jumping out at me that's being like, and if they were, I'd probably have them higher on my board, you know. I know teams like Hawkinson, you know, teams definitely like Hawkinson, he's he's certainly a player that that I could see sneaking into the first round. But I mean, generally it's like it's it's it's the five guys at the top that are projected as first round picks that are and and Nordmark, I suppose. Yeah. Six guy that have the upside there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

Yeah, but I think also uh uh we have a a pretty good uh uh always hard to talk about the the goaltenders, but like uh Sander Hansen Oström there in Brunus uh has good potential, I think, and also Vigotam with this uh size. What what is the um do you hear anything about the the goalkeepers? What what is the this class? How how do they rate them?

SPEAKER_02 42:36

Yeah, not super high. It's not a great class for goalies. I I won't lie, I I stay out of goalies a lot. I let the goalie experts do that. And you know, in a year where there are you know one or two guys that could be top 40 picks, then I'll pay closer attention to them. But again, I'm not looking for the real technical side of things. I'm looking for are they big? Can they move laterally? Can they get up and down quickly? Can they recover from a bad goal and shake it off? You know, that kind of that mental fortitude. Those are the things I'm looking for, um, which will tell you more, you know, athleticism and maybe some mental habits of the of the player, but not whether they're gonna be able to all of a sudden develop a better butterfly or or get their glove up quicker where the goaltender experts have a better eye for that than I do. Um so generally I I don't I don't try to get into the goaltending discourse, but I do know that it's you know, Brady Noling is considered, you know, the top goalie prospect in this class. Um our goalie guys don't love him at EP. Um he's big, he's American, you know, he's got that going for him. Those two things are pretty good. Um but again, like I would be I don't think anyone's going in the first. I don't think we'll see a goalie in the first this year. Uh, but inevitably, early on day two, somebody takes a goalie, and then any other team that thinks they want a goalie, they're like, We better jump up and do it. And so so we we always joke around Dmitry Filipovich and I, um, whenever there's a f the first goalie taken in round two in the forties or something, we look at each other on Goalie run, and then inevitably there's three more in the next eight picks or something like that. And so so we'll probably see that again this year.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

Yeah, we usually say that it's impossible to to predict uh how a goalie goalies career uh is gonna be. So even even like back back here in Sweden, so yeah, it's super hard. Yeah. I always interested to comment. Sorry, I almost interested to come back to to Malte Gustafson as you said um you had him had him really high high as uh among your your defensemen. Um what do you think about like his his kind of potential role in the NHL? Because he has he's uh really good like defender uh in in many ways, but you think like he can could grow and develop like his offensive side as well to take a like a top four role or yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

I I absolutely think he has a top four potential. I think he has top pairing potential, but it's it's it's not going to be in the traditional mold of like, hey, here's Kale McCarr, here's Quinn Hughes, here's Miro Heiskin. Maybe a little more Miro, um, who's who's not like super gifted offensively. He has some big points and he and he does have skill. I'm not saying this is like Gustavson's gonna be Miro Heiskinen, let's be clear. Um but I think that if you put him in the right spot, if you put him next to a Kale McCar, he's gonna be an all-star. He's gonna be able to do all those things that you need him to do. That Kale while Kale's rushing the puck and doing those things and taking chances that he's gonna be back there being that safety valve, that release valve for him. So I think I really like his skating. I like his physical presence, I like his first pass. Um, I love his stick and his ability to surf across and and kill plays before they even develop. He defends the line really, really well. Um, you know, on that U18 Swedish team, like, yeah, he was getting top power play opportunities and he and he can move the puck around all right. He has decent vision, but I just don't expect that to be his role at the NHL level. Um so I think that for him it's like you know, he reminds me a little bit of Simone Evanson, um maybe not as much offense, uh, but but uh but a similar type of player, and I think that he could have a similar impact at the NHL level. I I honestly I think that his he could be like a really good number two on a team, and if not, you know, that someone who can anchor a second pair is like a really strong number three.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

Yeah, you feel like we should talk about him more because like as as as you said, like people over there comparing him to Edmundson, but I think like like here in Sweden people aren't talking about him that much yet.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

Mm-hmm. Yeah, let's get the train rolling. Yeah, I'm on team Malte.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

Yeah, yeah, but uh like uh I'm interested also if we talk about uh the the 08 defensemen in Sweden, uh Axel Elofson, because uh we had had a few similar defensemen from Sweden in the past few years. I'm talking about Victor Sodestrom, Nils Lundqvist, Adam Bukvist, that type of defensemen that hasn't succeeded in the NHL. I mean Niels is kind of playing in Dallas right now, I think. But has that changed the view on those kind of skilled Swedish defensemen in the union ages that score a lot of points?

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Yeah, I mean it's a case-by-case basis, I would say. Um but I don't think the the lack of success from that group that you mentioned there, or like uh Leo Salenio Wallennius, um, Sasha Bomedian, uh those type of guys, it's like he's an excellent skater. Lofton. Uh he's he's he has good offensive instincts, I think, that when he jumps, um but like there there is huge deficiencies in his overall IQ, I would say, and reading the play and defense and and and you know, maybe not rushing into brick walls and running, trying to run through guys, so like deep handle through a a bunch of traffic. So um I don't think he endeared himself to too many people at the U18s um with that decision making. But again, he can skate very, very well. Um you know, he is a bit younger for this class, uh so so he he will get picked. Uh I just imagine it'll be more you know towards the middle of the draft. And uh you know, when we saw guys like Ann Boquist or Nils Longquest going in the first round or early first round, even with Volquist or Soderstrom.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Yeah, it's uh it's an interesting uh kind of player. Um I feel like he's gonna have a really important year this the coming up here to the show that he can he can do it against the the bigger guys.

SPEAKER_02 48:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

Yeah, exactly. And like this uh to be a a a productive defenseman in N shell, like you you have to have uh a really high-end skill. And I think yeah, as you said, maybe his overall game will uh make him drop. So yeah. Uh but uh Cam, if I ask you um uh who is this year's Anton Frontel at the NHL Draft Combine, who do you think will uh blow the teams away?

SPEAKER_02 48:42

Who will blow the teams away? Let's see, let's see. I mean, Ryan Lynn is a great kid. Um, I think that he's gonna have a lot of fans uh after this week. I I mean I I think even I think Semberg's, I think he's gonna do well too at the Combine. Um Caleb Maholtrie, you know, he is Manny's son, he is bloodlines, he is uh well spoken. He I think he's gonna endear himself. But those guys that, you know, they're not gonna slip too much. I mean, neither was Frodo, but uh I mean it wouldn't surprise me if teams love Albert Schmitz. You know, that dead pan, like doesn't care what you think. Like, this is me, this is my game. I play hard, I'm a hammer, like take it or leave it. I think that that's gonna be endearing for some as well, too. Um yeah, those are those are kind of the guys that had jump out in my mind that uh that I've spent some time with and that have you know really strong personalities that I think teams are gonna like a lot. I mean Keaton Verhoff. I I should I should say Keaton Verhoff too. Really great kid, really difficult to walk away from a conversation with him, being like, I like that guy. He's yeah, he's a he's a good guy. So I imagine he'll do the same here too.

SPEAKER_01 49:46

I think my answer would be come on, actually. He's a part of he's a part of the way I haven't spoken too much.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

Yeah, he's not him too well, so that's good to know.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

He's he's a pretty cocky guy, at least when he's talking in Swedish. So uh very interesting to see you see what he he does uh to people's brains over there. He said something about örigare about learning English såk more and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

Det är så fan guy. Kam, big thank you. Best of luck here at Kanbine. Man se atraft.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

Ja, sounds good. We'll get those checking längs.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

Jag tror det spännande att höra det där från Kam, såklart. Det kommer bli mycket skriv in nu från draften, och vi kommer ju såklart följa upp med postar lite testresultat och men lite snackis här från den här veckan och sånt där. Det ska bli intressant att se hur många av de svenska killarna gör sig. Vi har ju profiler. Dämnju där kommärer. Men även sån som Markus Nordmarcus som är en egen person får man ju säga, sjukt häftig spelare för mig. Det ska bli väldigt intressant att se vad han kan gå någonstans.

SPEAKER_01 50:52

Ja trots det Kam var inne på lite med han spel så har man ju på något sätt av en skärnpotential i sätt att han är här och beter sig. Så det är ju verkligen intressant att se vad de tycker om honom. Men som säga, väldigt mycket nyttigt att höra från Kam och mycket kul information och kul av hur högt han håller den som alltid kus av sån och lite sådana där.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

Ja, ta mig en sån som Normark. Det är ju. Det är ju som man säger, det är ju en av draftens absolut mest skillade spelare. Ge han klubba, en puck så kan ju han skapa magi. Han har ju den här tendensen att göra det när det behövs som mest. Det har ju sett väldigt många gånger. Och sen så här: han tycker ju inte alltid att det är skitkul att spela en grundser i march. Det får man också tycka är lite härligt. Det är ju unga killar där. Så det ska bli väldigt intressant att se som sagt var han kan gå och vad snacket blir efter en sån här combine. Sen har vi såklart de här toppkillarna att hålla koll på också.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

Ja, exakt. Jag är ju lite osvänsk där med Normak. Nu känns man ibland så klagar vi på när vi har motsatsen, så man får väl nöta av att enkelt som har det också. Fast man vill ha allt, alla delar. Men verkligen intressant och ser inte sant väldigt mycket pratik också om Istenberg och kul att höra om hans intogNL och vad det kan innebära. Och det finns ändå, som jag ser väldigt många posit av landingsplatser för honom oavsett var den går och hur tiden går man kommer få eller inte.

SPEAKER_00 52:26

Ja, men verkligen. Han har ju den här potentialen för gået. Det är ingen snack om det. Och sen så är det så att han faller ner till fyra eller fem, då är det ju ett lag där Chicago eller New York. De kommer ju göra ett av tidnås råd. Det är ju en superskärna för mig. Det finns inga det. Jag tror att det är samma med Viggo också. Släpp han ner till 12, då vet jag inte riktigt vad man håller på med längre. Det är intressant att höra det med scout Pollen att några hade om söksom sexa. Och det blir man ju glad för att höra. För det tycker jag förtjänar. Vest man följt om länge här. Slackta tv-pöken, slakta pengark i 80 nationell, snackta pengar i 20 nationell, eller 8 region. Och given guld, VM, insta VM spelar någonsin. Det är något annat. Vi ska inte leka där.

SPEAKER_01 53:17

Ja, det är ju nästan så att vi också har kanske varit lite. Vi borde var nästan vara ännu kaxer över att han har kommit fram igenom svenska systemet. Just med sån som Sidney Crossby kommer fram till honom och tycker om hur han spelar. Och hela den jämförelsen i spelar typ. Det säger det mesta om vad det är för talang vi har och varför han är egentligen kanske borde plockas ännu tio. Som så kanske upp några fler centimeter på fans huvud eller så han ju som en ett eller två år tycker jag i den här dräften, det är garanterat.

SPEAKER_00 53:56

Ja, och sen draftar de såklart mycket på vad de tror om manuell. Men om man kollar som vi eller följt Viggo sedan, han spelade i tv-pöcken och i Täby och hans resa upp i julg. För mig är ju det den absolut bästa talangen, eller största talangen jag har fått förmågen att följa. Jag tycker att han är det. Jag tycker att rent talangmässigt så är det bättre från Låsten. Så vi ska inte jämföra om de är fantastiska allopa på sitt sätt. Men hade jag fått väl en talang och bygga ett lagret så hade jag valt Viggo första alla dagar i veckan. Speciellt om vi snackar hur han har dominerat junior serien här i Sverige, för det pratar man inte om att sitter och pratar om att han inte har någon riktigt offensiv uppsida. Killen gjorde 74 poäng, sin första G20-slån och slog all time på ängerkåret. Det är offensiv uppsida för mig i alla fall.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Och också bara den. Tillräckligt mycket om. Utstråningen av att vara den som kommer att klyva fram i laget. Det tycker jag man kände redan i TV-böcken att den är nästan som att alla satt och väntar på att nu kommer vi gå snart att göra fram och avgör den här finalen. Det har jag ju haft på den nivån, och kan ta vidare det till seniår nivå, då har du ju en utslagsgivande spelare som kommer att kunna klaffa och avgöra de största matcherna.

SPEAKER_00 55:11

Ja, det är bara kolla tänka tillbaka på INF när det går Sudden. Men man i overtime där mot Finland, då var det ju han de litade på. Då var han som fick chansen i alla fyra filagare i overtime. Han ville avgöra och han var där. Nu snacker man om Bensson och Stenkoven och så där slutspel. Han kommer ju vara vidrig att möta. Han kommer bli hubrausmälsken här redan hubra smält. Han plockar pucken av Fredrik Händemark som att det inte vore någonting som är de tyngsta centrum SL just nu. Det där blir lite frustrerade av att höra snacket om han ska falla ner under topp 10. Då vet jag inte riktigt vad man håller på med länge. Det skulle vi väldigt kul att följa det här faktiskt framöver.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Ja, det kanske vi ska runda av lite. Med budskapet. Då välj vi gå.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

Ja, exakt. Om vi kan vara på maltetåget där så kommer jag sitta bekvämt på vidgå tåget, annan topp 5 tycker jag.

SPEAKER_01 56:11

Vi runder av här helt enkelt. Så får ni komma tillbaka framöver. Det kommer fler poddavsnitt här kommande tid och hänga med på Spotify. Kom avsnitt där även nu då. Det är bara. Hej då!