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SPEAKER_03Welcome back to All Wizards Talk Podcast on the All Sports Talk Network. I'm Bryce Nakens joined alongside as always by Henry Brown. Ladies and gentlemen, if you remember, just a few short days ago, what, two days ago, we talked about how reports broke out of how Trey Young is, you know, a top suitor for the Washington Wizards, how they, you know, plan on trading for him. And then boom, right after they lose to the 76ers, like not even five minutes after the game, the trade goes through. The Hawks team was still going, I think. Hawks game was still going.
SPEAKER_04He had to leave early and walk through the tunnel. They made it a big deal. Crazy. You remember Harrison Barnes. No one had it as bad as that guy getting traded during the Mavs game. It feels like participating in. But yeah, it just happened.
SPEAKER_03Like, that's why I thought the Hawks would have waited until after their game to do it and be like, look, let's not do it, especially during a home game. The face of your franchise. Like that's what really struck me as like, oh, they were like done, done with him.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it just I can't. And we talked about this in the moment because we recorded the night of these reports really starting to surface. A lot of Mark Stein in there. Um, I just can't believe how fast things came together because you heard that the Wizards could trade for Trey Young and that he and both sides had started to work towards a a mutual divorce. Um, and then yesterday you heard that Minnesota and Brooklyn were near the top of his list, and everyone, you know, who's just at home was like, you know, good luck. You know, it's it's hard to do.
SPEAKER_03I think that was this morning that they were at the top of his list. No way. Did I get it was this morning. It was this morning that they were at the top of his list, but Brooklyn and Minnesota wanted nothing to do with them. Tough. And then that's when he moved to the Wizards, but apparently this is not just like a spur in the moment thing where he's eyed the Wizards. Apparently, past few months he's actually been looking at it. Just a plan B kind of thing. Yeah, and I don't want to say as strictly like plan B whatsoever, because like being being able to play for any NBA team is a blessing.
SPEAKER_04Like, let's be honest here. Yeah, but yeah, but I get it. If he wants to go to other places and he finds out your asset value isn't what it was in 2021, then yeah, it's only one team, the Wizards, can fit you on the salary books while also making place for you theoretically on the floor. And we have a lot of thoughts on this.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Oh, did you see CJ McCombs call up comment? No, what did he say? Oh, he said, and like it's really heartfelt, it's kind of sad. He's a heartfelt guy, that makes sense. Yeah, but he said, Love my time in DC. Organization was great in my family and I. Michael Winger and Will Dawkins did everything they said they would and kept their word from the very beginning. Love the city and they're doing things the right way over there. Excited to get to the A and get to work. Very familiar with their style of play. Love the ownership group in front office. Good group of players.
SPEAKER_04So that's the thing. Like there's a lot of places we can start. Um, but CJ ended up, I think he's gonna be remembered better by Wizards fans than um it seemed at first. It was sort of a hairy start, but he's leaving, averaging about the amount of assists he usually has for his career. He's like 19 points a game, shooting danger 40% from three. Um, can't say it was a bad time with him. And it's it's nice that he's leaving on a good note. He uh was pretty clutch in that Orlando win that just happened the other day. Uh, and you know, best of luck to him. Nothing but good things.
SPEAKER_03Did you see what's trending right now on Twitter?
SPEAKER_04Is it X, I should say? No, but I will say a lot of Hawks fans, I'm seeing a lot of uh that's it in the comment sections.
SPEAKER_03They don't seem super thrilled by seeing that as well. No, it's trending right now on Twitter in all caps, no picks.
unknownReally?
SPEAKER_04No, so I was in another podcast when it when it went down, and I saw my phone and went, oh, and I was like, there has to be another notification about the picks, right? It never came. And then I saw Jig Fisher reported that it was a stalemate and there were no picks involved.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and that's just how it's well. It seemed like from what I've heard is the Wizards wanted like, of course, obviously, first on the list was enola pick swap. Wasn't happening, they weren't budging on that whatsoever. And then they turned their eyes to like, okay, what about the Cleveland pick? That's middle of the pack in the draft. It's an area where we want it to trade up to, anyways. And they're like, How about the Cleveland pick? And we'll throw in, you know, like another, like, we'll throw in the OKC pick, or maybe you know, a guy like Bagley, who's already being looked at on the trade market. Exactly. And the Wizard, or not the Wizards, the Hawks were like, Well, we're gonna need a future first from you guys in like next year's draft or something if we do that. And of course, Dawkins is like, No, I want my pick. Like, yeah, usually that works. And then then it moved on to okay, what about like two or three seconds in the deal from the Hawks? And then once again, the Hawks were like, Well, what about a first from you guys? Or they just really wanted a young player. I heard that too. I've heard that too. They wanted a young player, but of course, you're not giving up one of Sar, Trey, Keyshawn, Bilal, or Bub. You're not giving up any of those guys uh unless like you were getting another major player back from the Hawks. Or if you're getting like two picks, then you you definitely considered that. But the fact that you weren't getting any picks whatsoever, no, you don't do that.
SPEAKER_04No. And before we even dig into the Trey stuff, um, everyone's already said this before, but you're just completing the the Beal, the Beal line. Endless cycle. Yeah, how, but still, no picks involved. They're they're still doing it. Beal to Chris Paul to Poole to CJ, and now to Trey Young.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Trey Young on the wizard. I never man. It's kind of crazy to think about what numbers he's gonna wear, because he can't wear number 11.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, retired.
SPEAKER_03Cam Whitmore has number one. I'm sure number two is off limits.
SPEAKER_04I don't even know what his number history is. I I have no idea. It's gonna, I mean, I'm still on like it's just gonna be like that's like a someone pointed out to me, like, the whole fan base is now gonna be a part of I don't think the trayoung fan base is like you know, the Rust fan base or anything like that, nothing crazy, but like there is a Trey Young hive, and they're gonna find their way over here, and that's just gonna be a part of the wizards for the foreseeable future as long as he's here.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but like it seems like everyone loves the deal for the Wizards. It's like what I'm seeing universally, because he didn't give up any any picks, you didn't give up any young player. Giving up Kispert does suck because he's like, you know, a hey, he's a tier, like a tier A kind of guy, like he's top tier. Like, you just lost the best golfer in the world. That also sucks. Honestly, the handsomest guy in DC, dude. Like, I he just started growing on me. I just got a Corey Kispert jersey a week ago because I knew how much this front office loved him, and it was gonna take a lot to move on from him. It's a business, son. Oh my goodness. What am I gonna do now with my Corey Kispert 24, 25 jersey?
SPEAKER_04Now it's like vintage. It's vintage.
SPEAKER_03It's vintage. Which jersey said?
SPEAKER_04Is that the city edition last year? Yeah. Okay. That's a good look. Sick one. That's a sick one, right? That's a sick one. He was a good wizard. He was the longest tenured wizard. If I could just eulogize him for 30 seconds, we talk about him like he's dead. Like we're not gonna see him anymore. He's he's not gonna be around. I'm gonna miss him. I'm gonna miss him. He uh I am gonna miss him. A stacked draft class, picked at 15 just aside the lottery. The pick was weird in the moment, um, but he made it work. And uh he's more than a shooter and godspeed in Atlanta. They're sort of open. I don't know what Atlanta's long-term plan is, but he's more than just a shooter, and I hope he's utilized properly over there and given chances to bloom.
SPEAKER_03He won't come back till next season either, because there's no more games in Atlanta or at home against Atlanta. They're all in Atlanta. Yeah, they burned all of them. Uh the February 24th Trey Young revenge game is gonna be insane. Oh wow. Assuming he's playing by then. Assuming, assuming, exactly. And that's a big thing, is like you know, now we can actually talk about Trey Young. Yeah, we've been saying a little bit. We've been rambling a little bit. But that's the thing, is you know, they're waiting for him to pass his physicals, of course, and be medically cleared. And, you know, like you're gonna take on Trey Young. Like, I don't care what his physical looks like, you're you're gonna take him on. Like, you're still gonna let the trade go through. I think it's just a matter of determining if it's one of those things where it's like, look, we're just gonna shut the you shut you down for the rest of the season, or if it's gonna be one of those things where it's like moderate, where it's like you're playing a game and you're off for three games, playing a game off for three games, because that also kind of secures the tank for you as well. Exactly. Exactly. And now you're losing CJ, who was pretty helpful these last few games in winning a few games. He was. He was without him. You don't win half these games. Without him, you have five wins, probably, right? I mean, just that Orlando game, they might not win if it weren't for him. Yeah, that Orlando game, you probably don't win. You don't win the Bucks game with him. Great call. He just had a game winner a few days ago.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Just had a game winner a few days ago. You don't have the last Memphis win. You don't have either Memphis win, probably.
SPEAKER_04Dang, I'm already my brain's already leaking.
SPEAKER_03You don't have the first Milwaukee win either. So that is five right there for sure. Without him, you don't win those games.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Do you want to start with Trey Young's like on the court fit with others, or do you want to talk about it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, let's start with that. Because I actually have a lot of thoughts on that, because I think he he actually fits in quite well for a lot of guys, I think.
SPEAKER_04I I don't know because I mean the SAR thing, I think we can all agree.
SPEAKER_03That's that's who's the SAR thing about SAR having a legit lob partner now is going to improve his game tremendously because he's never had that.
SPEAKER_04No, he's had no one that really help him when he's in the interior, no real entry passers. Um, and you'd be hard pressed to find he has his wars, but you'd hard pressed to find someone who's better passing off like screen actions than Trey Young. He can just on the go, no dribble.
SPEAKER_03He's great at creating space for shots off the screen as well. Where it's like him having Sarr as you know uh pick and roll option right there for him to either get up a get an open shot or have Sarr down low for a lob or balance pass two. It's also you know, it's great. Like I legit see Sarr as someone that could average 25 and 10 with Young on the team.
SPEAKER_04He's getting 18 or 19 every night with just anything out there.
SPEAKER_03I see with no like real passer out there, like his best passing guard, you know, and not even he wasn't even a guard, he's a forward Keyshawn George has been injured for a bit, and you know, as good as a key as Keyshawn is for his size of passing, he's no Trey Young. Yeah, of course not. No, Trey Young is like third all-time and assist average. Like it's crazy. His last and like I looked at it in Trey Young himself, like this season, he is having a down year. He is. All right, but I looked at Trey Young's averages for past three seasons. If I can find my article that I put up so I can actually read it to you guys because yeah, pat myself on the back a little bit here since I got that out in just the nick of time before a lot of other major outlets. But I I wrote down his averages for the past three years, and they were actually quite impressive when you looked at him. So, like I I actually have him right here. The in the in his past three seasons, this doesn't include this season, it's just from 23 or no, 22, 23 to 24, 25. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay. Those three seasons, he was averaging 25.3 points per game on 35% shooting from three, along with 10.8 assists per game. The counting stats are always awesome with him.
SPEAKER_04Uh he he's he's led the league in total assists like three or four different times. Uh league in total points once before. But um I mean, just he's just so ball dominant. And that's that's we've talked before the season started about challenges facing the coaching staff, whether it's uh getting the young guys in positions to succeed or finding minutes for all the young wings. This is far and away the biggest thing. How are you gonna balance Trey Young with all the other young guards now that they're finally getting the ball in their hands? I have no idea how to do it.
SPEAKER_03But like you see, you see, the last time that he actually had like a legit team around him was like, you know, the 2021 season. Like that was the last time he had like kind of like a legit team where like you have another good player beside him, and like he's always had decent players.
SPEAKER_04He had chances, he had DeJounte Murray for two years.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he did, but DeJounte Murray in Atlanta, I feel like was a failed thing where like he never lived up to that hype. But I think that's because of Trey Young.
SPEAKER_04I don't think Trey Young was willing to operate off the ball at all, and there wasn't really any role flexibility, and that's part of why DeJounte Murray died because he's helpful with the ball in his hand, but Trey Young just doesn't really do anything off the ball.
SPEAKER_03So you're sort of like he's made a conference finals, he's made the playoff three times in his career, you know, hasn't had any other success outside of that. It's not like his last two seasons before, you know, have been absolute dumpster fires. Like, sure, they finish with a losing record, you know, 36-46 and 23-24, uh 40-42, almost made the playoffs, you know, last season. Like, it's not like he's been an absolute dumpster fire. No, but but it's gonna be complicated. It is gonna be complicated. I do think with Trey Young in Washington, he finally has some like good players around him. I I say good players, young potential, like Alex Star is gonna be the best center he's played with, probably ever. And I think that's kind of crazy to say. I think it's kind of crazy, but I'm saying like this like this, you know, early in Sar's career, that saying that already, it sounds crazy, but it really isn't.
SPEAKER_04No, he always had his Capella and big O, right? Yeah, yeah. I I think this comes down to more about the the team is talented, but he's had a like the 21 to 22 teams were were about as talented as this is, if not more so talented. Like I I think this is about how how Trey adapts to his surroundings and a new realization that this is where your value is around the league. Are you gonna change, or are you just gonna do more of the same? Maybe more of the same is gonna work for him. Who knows? I can't see the future. Um, but I think this comes down to how he treats a fresh start.
SPEAKER_03100%. It's how he treats a fresh start, see how he does. And Dawkins isn't gonna take any crap from him. Like we know, kind of guy Dawkins is he's not gonna back down. He's he's not gonna contort the team to fit around Trey. He has a clear plan in mind. If Trey doesn't want to fit that plan, he will just let him walk or try to ship him off somewhere else.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so in case we didn't mention it this episode, um, he's set to make about 46 million the rest of the season. And next season he has a 49 million dollar player option. Which he's probably picking up. Which is probably that's a lot of money. Um and I saw Ramona Shelburne uh said she heard both sides are open to an extension. Um it's not a priority or anything. But um Trey Young is expected to value the market as well. And again, he's here he he is part of the reason why his asset valuation is where it is. Um, and I'm sure he's gonna have his ear to the ground heading forward, figuring out what people are saying about where he's at or how he's perceived.
SPEAKER_03And so someone say they practically traded Trey Young for a pack of Oreos.
SPEAKER_04It doesn't Atlanta's a lot of the fans were sick. They really wanted Keyshawn or Trey, but that was never at the end.
SPEAKER_03Like that was never happening, just like how we wanted the Pelicans pick, but as we know, very slim chance of that ever happening.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Sorry to anyone who listened to my last episode. Bryson got me all riled up about the Pelicans pick. And then I sat and listened for a second. I was like, wait a minute.
SPEAKER_03Well, like like I said, like I know you know they wanted it, they were gonna do it. Oh, they tried to do it. Of course he wanted it to. Um I'm I just think I think what it took was trading Bilal or Keyshawn, and Dawkins isn't gonna do that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, looks like we uh were we missed on the uh the AJ theory. I saw him playing a game tonight in the Philly game, and I was like, oh, they're still at it. But I guess the fact that he wasn't ruled out tonight also said something.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because you know, like you knew Kispert was getting traded as soon as what? It was 30 minutes before the game he got ruled out.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Like that, that was sad to kind of see. And you can you could kind of tell it was imminent with how the players were acting on the bench.
unknownReally?
SPEAKER_04I didn't even peep that. What were we seeing on the bench?
SPEAKER_03Like, you know, they were like it was a weird way where it's like they weren't like giving him like hugs or anything. Like they were still acting as regular teammates. But I think that kind of solidified it as like, man, they like they know it's over, but they're gonna put on a face a little bit.
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SPEAKER_04I mean, I I wonder, I I hate even mentioning this. Um, this is the first like big trade they've done since the Denny trade, and I'm hoping this washes away that that whole toxic debate. Because the Wizards I think got out pretty well here. There's no pick, and that was disappointing. I was definitely refreshing my phone a few times just to make sure I didn't because Shams has done that for a few other Wizards trades in the back in the past few years that aren't super high priority. So he mentions the picks later because there's no incentive to do it right now. There's other stuff going on. Um, but I was making sure I was like, I didn't miss a pick, right? Um, this is still good business. And you still got a big name who um I'm gonna I'm totally quoting the guys from Moneyball. Big name sells tickets. Uh but again, no major picks, and he can be good and he can help a lot of the players. He can help Sar around the basket, and he can help some of the other guys who were a little less purposeful in the half court.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I'm seeing a lot of people talking highly about the Wizards, not just because of this Trey, but oh trade, but overall, like what they have been doing. I think the Trey Young trade solidifies where it's like, man, people are actually considering Washington as a team to play for now. Whereas like the past two years, two or three seasons, where it's like, uh, I gotta go to Washington.
SPEAKER_04I mean, SAR demanded to go here instead of Atlanta. Um, and then Ace. Ace tried getting tried it, and now Trey Young. That's in a year and a half sample.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like, yeah, it's it's crazy to see all the players that have been trying to force themselves to Washington now, where like in the future, free agency now, and I I was talking about it with someone the other day. People consider Washington a small market for some reason. Yeah, it's really not.
SPEAKER_04No, but if you don't win 50 games for 50 years, then people just forget exactly what kind of operation you can attract with motion.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like it's actually a pretty big market when you look at it, and it has the potential capital of the country. It should uh it should draw some you know interest for people to come there. And like it's kind of crazy that just now if people you know players are starting to finally be like, man, Washington actually doesn't sound so bad now. Like going to Washington is not viewed as like the death of your career anymore, going to purgatory. Going to Washington is like, man, they got something they got something special going there. Cause I think because as you saw the past few days, the national media has been giving the Wizards a ton of attention, specifically SAR. It's really weird, especially SAR.
SPEAKER_04That's right. After yesterday's game, he was interviewed by like NBA TV, like immediately after. I was like, whoa.
SPEAKER_03It was it was crazy. Like you haven't seen that in so long with the Wizards, and people are starting to finally realize like the the young core they have is good. Bilal, Keyshawn, Saar, Trey, even Bub Carrington, who struggled to start the year. Like, they're realizing the young core is there, they are literally just a first-round draft pick away and a you know star to be alongside them from really being a playoff team. They potentially just got the star.
SPEAKER_04I haven't actually considered what happens if Trey actually is just the man and looks great with this new team. That's really tempting, though. If next if he's probably doesn't play a whole lot against this season, but next season just shows up and maybe the Wizards get like someone who isn't a point guard in the draft, and you just have a squad ready to go.
SPEAKER_03Well, let's say right now, right now, my number one in the draft is Boozer. I'm still on the booze cruise. Still I see him as a Kevin Love kind of player, and I absolutely love that. He's he's a big power forward that can stretch a little bit, but also is a great passer. Like that's I haven't thought about that yet. How's his defense compared to Kevin Love? Uh he's actually a pretty good defender.
SPEAKER_04I would hope he's a better defender than Kevin Love.
SPEAKER_03He's he's a pretty good defender. A lot of people say he can't defend, but I don't think that's the case. I think he's averaging two blocks a game right now.
SPEAKER_04Not bad.
SPEAKER_03And like it's not bad. Like he's not a bad defender whatsoever. And it's not like one of those things where he has to hold down the four inside. You have Saar. It's just pretty much, you know, help for cutters is what it is. Of course. And so he's just help side D is what he would be, and he would thrive in that role. But let's say you get Boozer in the draft. You have a starting five of presumably Trey Young, Trey Johnson. I would assume Keyshawn George starts over Bilal.
SPEAKER_04Yes, I would too. That is the safe as well.
SPEAKER_03Boozer, then Saar is your starting five. Oh, that is sweet. That is sweet. Then off the bench, you have Bub. You have you still have Champagne. You've got Balal. Try to keep Bagley.
SPEAKER_04Like that'll be funny if Bagley sticks around through all this. But he'll enjoy Trey Young if he's if he gets to play with him.
SPEAKER_03I think he would enjoy. Trey Young. I think I think all the big men will love having Trey Young. I think all the guys that love to slash, hence, I think Balal is going to see a little resurgence on offense with Trey.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I've I've been freaking harping on this, but if he just becomes like a really active cutter, he's already rebounding with a lot more ferocity recently. He's been getting more contact in the lane. Uh Win Streak. Yeah, we know he can live above the rim. So you hope that he just. We've said for a while he lacks structure. You hope this is the guy who can give him a more narrow, fixed lane at what to do.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's it it's it's kind of like it's crazy to look at it. And I actually think some people are worried about the fit with Trey Johnson. I think it might help Trey a little bit because if Young can go back to how he was as a three-point shooter, now teams like because they've been putting a lot of focus on Trey Johnson on the perimeter, now you can't put as much focus on him, and it might open up you know more open shots for him.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I mean, he this I can't, I'm not using anything with the season. He's played 10 games. Um he's never been a brilliant three-point shooter. So I just hope he's like he's never been brilliant, but it's not great.
SPEAKER_03If if you take if he can go back to at least 35% from three, you take that because now teams are forced to guard him a little bit and not do what they're doing with Bala Kulbal, who plays out on the perimeter and drives and slashes, and they just put a center on them like Joel and B did with the Sixers. Now, you know, like and they make sure they have a man constantly on Trey Johnson at all times, yeah, and they sag off on the point guards a little bit because they know outside of Trey, there's not really a ton of other like great knockdown shooters. Bub Carrington has been good, but you know, he's usually been coming off the bench. Tonight was very good.
SPEAKER_04We can't get a heliocentric ball. I agree with that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and so and that's why I'm saying is like if you have Trey Young, he goes back to being a 35% three-point shooter, you get someone that can help open up the floor a little bit more again for Trey Johnson since teams are now honed in on stopping his three-point shot. Because now you can't focus on okay, Trey Johnson's the only three-point threat. Now it's like, man, they got Trey Young as well. We can't leave him open. So now we truly have to go one and one. It leaves opportunity for Trey Johnson to make some off-ball movement to get open for a shot.
SPEAKER_04That could be nice. Let's get optimistic. Why not? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03No, and like I think, like, I think a lot of players will actually thrive. Like I'm I've been saying, I think a lot of players will actually thrive with Trey Young. I think Champagne would thrive playing with Young. Yeah, of course.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he's like um he can play a lot like the way Bilal would play, you know, more cutting.
SPEAKER_03And I I truly think all the players on the team, besides, you know, Trey Johnson is a question mark. I do think it will work out, but it is a question mark you do have to worry about about that. The biggest question mark is though, Keyshawn George, how is that going to work?
SPEAKER_04That's a great question. I feel like the guy who's definitely most this is definitely saying Bub is the sixth man. That's what this is saying.
SPEAKER_03Yes, this is saying Bub is the sixth man. Like, I think we're being clear about that. Where like, I mean, there there's not really like any room for him to start now, especially if like let's say Trey is long-term, which I we still don't know if he is or not.
SPEAKER_04No, no, we don't. Um, yeah, no rush for the extension. We already touched on that. Yeah, players, everyone's got to change. I really want to see how the coaching staff adjusts to this sort of thing. That's a lot of a lot of more needs to juggle. That's a player who likes to play a really specific way with a team who is just fine in their footing, playing their own way.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's like it's really nice to see you know what the team can look like with Trey. And like we discussed on the pod last time, this literally is a win-win situation for Washington. It is. Because let's say you don't see it as a long-term move and you don't sign an extension quite yet for him, and you want to see how he plays with the team first. If it's not going to work out, you're about to free up almost 50 million cap space. Yeah, exactly. We we got money to burn. Or you can try to trade him and see if you can get picks in return. Like if it doesn't work out, like you either free up cap space or you can get picks in return. Or it works out, you look like a genius for making the move, and you catapult the wizards into relevancy again, and they make the playoffs.
SPEAKER_04And if they would want to spin Trey into picks, which of course they would. Um, we're built well for that sort of thing. You know, we have decent players, we have guys who can catch. We have guys who can make him look good.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, we do. We have guys that can make him look really good. We have guys that can turn him into a 25 and 10 player again. It's feasible. Yeah, and winning feasible. So if you don't want him, he can do that again, boost up his value, get a first or two in return for him, move on with your day. Oh sweet.
SPEAKER_04That'll be really sweet. And again, we'll be actually winning games at a more at a high rate. Everyone who's helping right now will be another year older.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, everyone's gonna get older, they're gonna get better. And Trey Young is about to enter his prime for like when primes start for the NBA. He's only 27. It's not like he's some 32-year-old. I'd have to I'd have to be convinced that that's seven years younger than McCollum.
SPEAKER_04How old's CJ was 34?
SPEAKER_03CJ was 34.
SPEAKER_04Wow. Um, that'll be something if Trang has like a second prime.
SPEAKER_03Try and Kispert are almost the same age.
SPEAKER_04That makes sense. Kispert came in really old. That's funny though. That's really funny.
SPEAKER_03And so that's what I've been saying. It's like Kispert was drafted, when was he drafted? 21. 21, that's right. Trey was drafted in 2018. Yeah. Like, what? That that's you know, 19, 20, 21, three-year difference. And you know, and they're almost the same age. Like, come come on. Like, Trey, Trey isn't this old man. No.
SPEAKER_04I'll be watching the Hawks though. That I'm I want to see how uh how how the guy should be.
SPEAKER_03I will I will always watch Kispert. He made me fall in love with his game this year.
SPEAKER_04Good game. Not just a shooter. That's gotta have to be a hashtag. For like hashtag for white guys, not just a shooter.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Uh sorry, I was looking at the Zodiac GM. Do you follow along with the Zodiac GM? I do, yeah. He's right every time. He he just released his grades for the trade. The Hawks get a B minus. The Wizards get a B plus. Nice. And so the synergy improves for Trey Young with the Wizards, especially as he pairs with players like Alex Sarr, Trey Johnson, Bub Carrington, Cam Whitmore, Justin Champagne, and Marvin Bagley. All good takes.
SPEAKER_04He's on the ball all the time.
SPEAKER_03The Wizards could start resembling the Memphis Grizzlies, showing a streaky performance, a potential shift in the coaching staff might be necessary for Trey Young to fully maximize his talents. And then they then he said adding CJ McCollum and Corey Kispert doesn't really do anything for the Hawks as their synergy just stays the same. And so and the Zodiac GM is never wrong. Like, let's be honest here. No, like it's kind of it's kind of freaky how often they are like right about this stuff.
SPEAKER_04I look forward to the introductory press conference though.
SPEAKER_03I am too. I'm interested to see how that's gonna be. I'll definitely be tuned in for that. I just want to know what number he's gonna wear. They're important questions.
SPEAKER_04That's what I'll ask that for you, maybe. We'll see.
SPEAKER_03But like that's like because it's a like it's a legit thing because you can't wear number 11. It's retired in DC. Can't wear number one, Cam Whitmore has it, unless he buys it off of him.
SPEAKER_04Uh I I can see that. I can see that it's not Trey's got it back, and Cam Whitmore's only making three mil. How are we gonna refer to them? There's Trey Young and Trey Johnson. Like, how are we gonna get this straight?
SPEAKER_03Oh man, that's a great question. We'll work on it. That's a great question. Just gotta refer to them by their nicknames. I'm trying. I you know, you know what nickname I heard the other day for Trey Johnson I love. Don't say the DC Sniper. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What is it? What is it? What is it? The Long Ranger. Oh, that's good. I think Monumental had it up. And I I like it. I I like it because he's also from Texas, and you know the Texas Rangers. And so Yeah, I was gonna say they're both from Texas.
SPEAKER_04Like, yeah, they they're both from Texas. The synergy is off the charts. They're both the Long Rangers.
SPEAKER_03And so we talked about that work. I'm trying to think of like a I don't know. Well, because one went to OU and one went to University of Texas. Yeah. So he's double text. That doesn't. Yeah, he Trey is double Tex. Trey's big Tex. There's Trey and there's Trey Young. Okay. Yeah, there's Trey and there's Trey Young. Got it. Yeah. Ice Trey.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's what I got. That's what we have so far. And uh lots to look forward to. Even if he doesn't play, there's just so many, so much to unpack.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, even if he doesn't play a ton this season, still it's gonna be interesting to look at it and see what's going on. But it's I'm I'm really excited to see what it's looked like. Bleach Report put up a graphic as well, and I absolutely love it. It's him standing like in front of the Washington Monument. He's gonna evade the Capitol. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can't the anniversary of that was a day too late, dude. Dude, come on now. Come on. Come on. Oh we aren't trying to get political here. Chill. Chill. But no, it's definitely It's definitely gonna be interesting to watch him. Like, I'm watching it. Like he literally left mid-game.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was weird. Oh, yeah, he sent it to me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I sent you the graphic.
SPEAKER_04Nice. Lots to look forward to.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, a lot to look forward to. I just I think it's great that Washington didn't give up any picks. It would have been nice to get at least like some form of second round compensation. But overall, I give the grain, like my trade grades are A minus for Washington. I'd probably go like more I think about it, maybe like a B for Atlanta.
SPEAKER_04I thought the Zodiac GM nailed it. I would I would take the B plus behind.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I just give A minus to the Wizards because the it's the fact that you didn't give up any key young player or pick for a four-time All-Star. And when when he's on, he's one of the best guards in the NBA. Yeah, he's he's accomplished. You can't take that away from him. He's accomplished. Yeah, you can't take that away from him. And then the Hawks, they got CJ McCollum, who has been balling this year, expiring contract. But like you would have expected someone like Trey Young to get try to get picks in return for him, but that just never happened. Yeah. And so, and I think the last thing for this is like how does this affect the rest of the trade market? Trey Young just Trey Young just went for no picks. What does this mean for like a guy like Anthony Davis? Yeah, we came a long way from Mikhail Bridges. Oh my goodness. Even Desmond Bain. Even Desmond Bain. Good point. Like it's like five picks for him. I thought that was absurd, but what do I know? You're not wrong. And so. But anyways, that's it. Any last thoughts you have on it? Nah. Excited for whatever comes next, good or bad.
SPEAKER_04It's gonna be entertaining. It'll be entertaining. It's it's gonna sell tickets. Yeah, I feel like the tickets aren't as bad as people were making them out to be recently.
SPEAKER_03No, they're not as bad as they're gonna be, but it's definitely gonna improve. You're not wrong, that's for sure. And so, but that's all we got. Trent Young, Washington Wizard, it happened. And uh we'll see you guys in the next video when maybe or maybe not he plays. All right, peace.