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You hear "AI" 50 times a day. Nobody actually tells you what to do with it.

This week, Cory Silva sat down with Host, Matt August to fix that. Cory's the co-founder of Six Summit, an AI software agency building real tools for real businesses. He went from a failed tech startup and 10 years in corporate retail to founding an AI company — all in the last three years, while becoming a dad and nearly running out of money.

We get into what your business should be doing with AI this week, the conversation you need to have with your kids, what your job actually looks like two years from now, and the one habit that puts you ahead of almost everyone still typing into ChatGPT like it's Google.

If AI feels like it's moving too fast and nobody's slowing down to explain it, this is the one to watch.

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 - Intro
02:15 - The AI Founder Who Wants a '67 Mustang (Meet Cory Silva)
05:45 - He Was Down to His Last Dollar — Then This Happened
13:30 - What Is AI? The Answer Nobody Explains This Simply
18:30 - The Scary Question Everyone's Afraid to Ask About AI
26:30 - The 20-Minute AI Hack That Changed How Everyone Works
33:00 - 41% of Code Is Now AI — Here's Why That Should Wake You Up
42:00 - What Your Sunday Looks Like in 5 Years (It's Wild)
48:00 - The Hidden Cost of AI Nobody's Talking About
56:00 - These Jobs Are Gone by 2030 — And the Ones Replacing Them
68:00 - The AI Talk You NEED to Have With Your Kids
76:00 - AI Is Lying to You — Here's How to Make It Stop
81:00 - You're Using AI Wrong: What an "Agent" Really Does
86:00 - Should You Give AI Access to Your Email? The Honest Answer
93:00 - The Daily AI Setup That Saves Him Hours Every Morning
99:00 - Do This ONE Thing This Week to Beat 99% of AI Users

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

You should figure out how AI can replace you because it'll only make you more valuable, not less.

SPEAKER_00 0:05

People hear the word AI 50 times a day or more. What is AI?

SPEAKER_02 0:10

It's one of the cheapest employees that you can get out there. Our ability to get information quicker. Don't be scared about AI knowing you, because the better it knows you, the better the result. Why are people scared of AI? We undoubtedly won't be the smartest thing on this planet in five years. You need to think of AI as the smartest companion that you'll ever have.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Welcome to August After Dark. I'm Matt August, and my guest tonight is Corey Silva. He's the co-founder of Six Summit, an AI software company building real tools and real businesses, including ours here at August Group. He's an angel investor. He's a host of Prompted Podcast and one of the most plugged-in AI minds in the country. Tonight, we're not talking about AI like it's science fiction. We're talking about AI like it's already in your house today. We're talking about what your business should be doing with AI this week, what your kids should be learning right now, and what your job looks like in two years from now, and what the world looks like in 10. If AI feels like it's moving too fast and nobody is slowing down to explain it, this is the conversation you've been waiting for. All right, Corey, welcome to August After Dark. You're the founder of Six Summit AI. So give us a little bit of a background on yourself and and and what you do. Thanks, Ben. I'm pumped to be here.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Uh so yeah, I'm Corey Silva, uh, founder of Six Summit. Six Summit is an AI software agency. We build custom AI software. Uh, and myself, I have only been in tech for three years. And some people are surprised by that, some people are shocked by that because sometimes the way I talk about it is actually like pretty decent and pretty uh pretty understandable. But I've only been in tech for three years and I have founded other tech companies in the past. They have failed, Mr. Plea. I'm happy to talk about them. Um, but before that, man, I spent 10 years corporate retail. I'm a dad. I love motorcycles, I love cars, uh, and I'm a big sports guy as well. Too.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

In the car content, of course, we have to talk about cars somewhat in on the pod because there is a lot of cars behind us. Yeah. Um, what's the dream car?

SPEAKER_02 2:12

So I'm a classic guy. My dream car is a 67 Mustang. I have it in my head. Uh, there's a gunmetal gray with like black pinstripe through the middle. Um and I have this idea of I want to make something inside that's retro. So I want to build part of it myself. Something that's retro in the middle, but has all the amazing tech that we have nowadays. So it's like you go inside, it still feels like it's like 67, but it has like all the fun tech that we have nowadays. So I want a nice fix between moderate and retro, but 67 Mustang is like my go-to. Fastback or coop?

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Fastback. Cool. Like Eleanor, kind of. Like paprika gray or close to? Yes, exactly. Yeah. That's my that's my dream car. Sweet. Yeah. And uh what have you ever driven something like that before? I've never driven a classic car in my life. What do you think like that day is gonna feel like to you when you first get that car like dropped off to you and you finish building it? Yeah, all that hard work is, you know, over and and it's like the first drive. What do you think that that feeling is gonna be like? I think a mix between uh freedom and surrealness.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Uh I I feel it a lot on my motorcycle a lot too. But like I think about like a dream car and I feel like it will just be freedom. I think that's that's it. Because I picture myself just like riding through the twisties in the mountains or something like that, the first like big ride with it. And I think that's it. It's gonna be a feeling of like, holy crap, like I did it. Like I'm like, this is what I wanted to work towards, and I'm here now. So I think freedom. Yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Yeah, I I love being able to, you know, I'm the same way like I put something on my vision board and and have like an idea. Yeah, it's that's part of the process, I think, is to like feel or have that understanding of what it's going to feel like when you've succeeded that thing, yeah, because it's gonna help kind of end that day-to-day push.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Dude, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Um, so uh walk us a little bit, a little bit through your your background, the the wins, the losses, um, just kind of like yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:20

A little bit. Um so when I was coming out of school, I was actually a neuroscience nerd. I was like planning to go do med school, get my doctorate, become a doctor, all these things. I was actually very confident in it. Um near the end, I realized that it's not what I wanted to do. And then I switched into business and I decided at the same time I was just gonna start my own little ed tech company. So me and my uh my best friend started a company called Studer, and we attempted to build this company that we thought was gonna be a unicorn, go to the moon, everything. We were like 20-something years old, super young. We had no idea what we were doing. Um, we were way overconfident. We built this product, we spent a lot of time building it, but we made the classic mistake of just like focusing on building the thing without actually bringing it to a customer or someone that can actually give you feedback and actually realize like, are we solving something here? Because the whole goal of Studer was to connect tutors and students. And we did that because that's what that's what we did. Like we were just coming out of school. And so we figured that like it was hard for us to find tutors, it was us hard for us to find students to tutor. So we were trying to like, how do we make that easier? It ended up being uh a good problem to solve. We just went about it the wrong way. There were a lot of other people and companies out there doing it much better, and ideas are cheap, execution's like the best way to go, right? And we were stuck on the idea of what it could be and not executing fast enough, or executing on the wrong things. So that failed. Um, and then I was like, you know what? Being an entrepreneur maybe isn't for me. So I actually spent 10 years in corporate retail. I went through all the big dogs, like Canadian Tire, SportCheck, uh, Winners, Marshall's Home Sense, all that stuff. And I went through the corporate ladder working my way up. I thought it was what I wanted. Um I was like, cool, I'm getting this next promotion, this next raise. But every single year, it was like like clockwork, literally two to three years after getting a promotion or raise, I felt it's it's gonna sound more, but I felt a little dead inside, truthfully. I felt like I was like meant to do something more. And then a few years ago, um I started my path to figure out how I was gonna just get out of corporate, start my own business. I don't know what it was, I was just wanted to get out. And I started doing this. I was like working nights, weekends while I was working my full-time job. Um, I was trying to, you know, run a VC syndicate. I was trying to do potentially leadership coaching or something. I was literally doing everything and it was like a mess. Like I was spread so thin. And then uh I found out that uh I was gonna be a dad. And instead of waiting any longer, I decided that I was going to quit my job immediately. Literally within the week, I found out I quit because I never wanted uh being a dad or having a kid to be the reason why I didn't try something. So I knew for a fact that if I stayed when I had my kid, I would have, I would have maybe not left the world and tried what I wanted to try. So I quit and I tried. And it was pretty tough because the fire was under my butt. Uh, I had my daughter on the way. Um, you know, my fiance was gonna go on maternity leave and all this stuff. And I needed to be this the income earner. I needed to be able to provide to my for my family. And so I shit you not, in the last moments of almost running out of money, I finally was able to pull through. And that is when like uh the birth of joining Six Summit started. Um, and my buddy that I started the EdTech company with, he invited me and he was like, hey, I've just been freelancing in this company. You know, I don't know too much about business, but I know a lot about tech. You know a lot about business. Do you want to try? And I was like, I know nothing about tech, but I'm gonna give it a shot. And so I self-taught myself. I watched him code, I learned how to understand it, everything in the tech world. Whatever I didn't understand, I just went out and learned it myself. Um, and it sucked for a while, but the timing of it eventually worked out where I don't know, it felt like for eight months to a year nothing was working, but then it all of a sudden started working. And so to me, that just I just needed the reps to eventually get there. And the timing was perfect. Like I said, I was literally running out of like my last like penny I had in my account before like I was able to actually make some money and be able to like provide for my family.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

So that's been my journey. That's cool. And now, um, you know, co-founder of a really cool AI company that that we've done some work together and um, you know, really cool team. And you know, I guess diving into like the AI conversation, um, people hear the word AI 50 times a day or more. Um, and a lot of people don't understand what AI is. And so, like, in simplicity ways, what is AI?

SPEAKER_02 9:36

So, for those that don't know, I mean, AI, artificial intelligence is what it starts uh stands for. Without getting too technical, because I want everyone to be able to understand what artificial intelligence is. You maybe have heard of machine learning, it is a subset of machine learning, and that's what it is. But AI itself, what we deal with day to day, everyone's maybe heard of the Chat GPTs, the Geminis, the Clauds of the world. A lot of people hear AI and actually it's referring to a large language model. And all AI is, is um basically think of a big set of data around like on the web, wherever it might be, that has a bunch of information, and AI is able to access that. And AI is the consolidation of all that data and which we can then use. So like AI is just a way for us to get uh information a lot quicker. So when you go to Chat GPT, you type something in, you can quickly easily pull something pretty quack, quick, right? Um, so that's all AI is. It's our ability to get information quicker. It's a consolidation of data. That's all it is. And I, you know, people can complicate it, people can talk about the the ins and outs of what AI and machine learning are, but really it's all it is. Collection of data that we can get access to.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Walking into a boardroom in Canada and someone pers uh pretending to understand uh AI better than than they do, what's the question everyone's afraid to ask about AI?

SPEAKER_02 11:04

Ooh, what's the question everyone's afraid to ask about AI? Um I hear this a lot. I actually don't hear it a lot, but I hear a lot of leaders bring this up. How can AI replace me? Is a question that I think a lot of people are afraid to ask. But on the other side, a lot of people probably think about it a ton. And I have the mindset that you should actually try to figure out how to replace yourself with AI, specifically when I'm in a talking in a work environment. Because if you get ahead of the game and you're the one that figures out how to replace yourself with AI, you're actually more valuable, not less. You're becoming more productive, not less. You're the one that has now understands how you just replace everything that you do. And now you're actually irreplaceable because no one knows else knows how to do that. And so instead of being afraid and not asking that question of how can I replace myself with AI, actually ask it and figure out how you can do it because that will make you valuable.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Because I believe, you know, going forward here really soon, and and I think I would ask ask this question of a new employee coming into our business, yeah, is you know, obviously, like what how comfortable are you with AI? Have you, you know, built an agent for yourself? Are you um are you making yourself faster at what you do and and trying to get an understanding on that? And and I think that is what business owners are gonna look for very shortly. Here is is can you do the job you're being hired for uh the same way that say three people could? Um and I think that's gonna be the biggest thing of of of people staying employed because I believe that AI is gonna bring abundance to the world. And that's that's my perspective. That's the that's how I'm I'm looking at it. Yep. That it's gonna give people more time to be with their families, more time to enjoy uh this beautiful world we live in, um, and and giving them just more free time.

SPEAKER_02 13:06

It it's interesting. If you were to hire for someone right now for like for August and they didn't have experience with AI, would that be an absolute deal stopper for you right now?

SPEAKER_00 13:18

100%.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Yeah. Do you think people are questioning, like, why do I need to know AI if I'm heading into like into the carpet, into the automotive space? Like, what would you say to someone that had that question on their mind? Like, why would I need to know that?

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Because I think if you're using it to get back to a client faster, um uh more intentionally, yeah. And um, it's the rate of speed because people want the answer right now. They don't want to wait. Uh, they don't want you to be like, oh, well, let me just go find that for you. That answer needs to be at your fingertips right this second. Um, and so it it doesn't matter what line of work you're in. Um you know, just for an example, I was doing some um work at my house and I was running new irrigation lines and stuff, and I used Claude to um, I took the distances, I took pictures of the where I was hooking it up, yeah, where it was going and what I needed to do. And I took it and I said, okay, well, I'm going to Home Depot. This is the length I need. This is how many elbows are going to be. I took a picture of the ditch I dug.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

And it broke out. And I asked it, you know, break out every little piece I need, give me what bin it's in at Home Depot. Give me everything I possibly need to make one trip to Home Depot. Because we've all done it. We've all tried to do an at-home project, right? And then you're like, you get to Home Depot, you're like, yes, I got it all, right? Or you're sitting there, you spend an hour up and down the aisle trying to find that specific thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 14:45

And I went in there line by line, got everything I needed, and I made one trip. Heck yeah. And I was like, wow. And what it what it actually has done for me is it makes me think. Um, it makes me think a lot more of what I'm about to do. It it it stops me from just like doing. Yep. It stops me and says, okay, well, how can we do this the most efficient way? Yep. And that's a really easy use case of of like everyday life for somebody. Yeah. You could be going to paint your walls, you could, you could be doing anything. And and to just have that dialed, I walked in there, I was in there for 20 minutes, and I was out and I finished my project and I didn't have to go back. And I was like, and that was just a really simple use case that didn't, I didn't have to put any code in, I didn't have to build cloud code, I didn't have to do anything. I just gave it the right prompts and and asked the right things. And I and I think once people kind of understand that and use it more, more than just like, you know, you're arguing with your wife, and it's like, how can I, you know, respond to her or whatever, right? Like, you know, in a more actual use case that's saving you time. Yeah. Because I got to then finish the project I was doing at a f at a faster pace. And then I got to spend more time with my family. And that to me is a gigantic win.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

Dude, I even uh I can think of a recent one in my life too, like, you know, practical use cases in your everyday life. Uh, I've rebuilt my office in my basement, and I'm looking at this back wall I just painted, and I'm like, I don't know what I want. So I went around my house, took a picture of everything that I want to put in there, and then said, like, these are also all these shelves that I bought, took pictures of that, and then I said, give me some ideas, like generate some images of my office with everything I just gave you with some ideas. And it made like four or five options. It's like, which one do you like? And then I was able to just pick it, and now I can use that as like my like you know, canvas that I just made to like start actually building it. Otherwise, I just would have been guessing. Um, and yeah, so it there's a lot of like really simple use cases for your own life that just make life so much easier. Um yeah, so you don't have to, it helps with the planning instead of like you said, jumping right to the doing.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

41% of all code in the world right now is being written by AI. Translate that for someone who's never written a line of code in their life. And why does that number matter to them?

SPEAKER_02 17:12

If you haven't been listening to the news a lot, uh a lot of the big tech players as well, too, that number is even higher as you go down to a company perspective. But what this is basically saying is that all the software engineers out there, they used to go write code line by line, and then go to Google, go to Stack Overflow, find all these like big snippets of code, copy and paste, and like it used to be like very, very manual work. But now we're talking about 41% of code is being generated by AI. They don't have to do it line by line themselves. Software engineers are becoming the orchestrator of AI, and it's not even that the sheer amount of code is being like written by AI, it's how fast. I think that is even like the bigger thing. That 41% of code, I think it jumped, if I if I remember correctly, actually before COVID hit, like in 2019, there was a survey done, and I think it was like less than 20%. And then and then COVID hit, and I think it maybe jumped to like 30%, and now it's actually jumping past 40%, and it's gonna get even higher. And so what this means is that like 41% of code, it's not just software engineers anymore, it's actually people like you and people like me, because I'm not naturally a software engineer myself, that can write code, and so it's now it's everyone in the world that has access to a computer that can speak English, or actually whatever language you want, can write code, which is pretty wild. But you want to know, and actually another crazy stat from my own experience is that there's actually a lot of cyberpunk software engineers that still don't use it, which is shocking to me. We have interviewed a fair number of software engineers, and you talked about like if someone didn't have AI experience, it's like a deal breaker for you. You're like, no, not gonna hire them now. I can't tell you how many resumes I've looked at and there's zero experience with AI, and they're software engineers. And that I think is a shocking number to me. Like, I don't I couldn't quantify for you, maybe out of a hundred resumes, I want to say maybe 30% have active experience with AI or use AI in their like in their day-to-day. But the other 70 still don't. They still hesitate, they still are waiting for what? I don't know, but that's something that's like been shocking me. It's like people that are in the industry still will won't adopt it.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Do you think it's because they think that they can just do it better? Or or what's the pushback? Because I mean, I I think it's it's similar to a lot of businesses and a lot of you know people I know and and stuff, they're like, well, we don't use any of it. Uh you know, we use chat GPT, whatever, but um yeah. It it's like, you know, back to when the internet came out, right? It's like yeah, oh, it's just a thing, it's just a phase, it's just this. And um like what people don't understand is artificial intelligence has been in our life for decades. Yes, right, and it's it's been used in in in certain areas and certain businesses for a long period of time to understand data sets and and things like that, where now it's just becoming open for people to to use on a daily basis. And um, so it's for those listening, like it's not something new. This has been around for a long time. Oh, yeah. And um, yeah, it's just it's a it's an important thing to understand. And I hopefully, you know, during this conversation, people can, you know, that don't understand it that well, can walk out of this and be like, okay, I've got a better understanding. You know, I can use this use case or I can take this and and and be stronger in my day-to-day stuff to give me more time.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

Yeah. And going back to, I think, the original question on why they're like software engineers are not adopting, like if it's just like, you know, they think they can do it better, that might be it. I think a lot of it is people are naturally afraid of change. And they're skepti- I find actually software engineers are some of the most skeptical people that I know in terms of like new tech. And so I think there might be a sense of like, yes, I can do it better, but I think it's more of like they think that AI might just be doing a worse job overall. There's a lot of uh opinions out there that the code being generated by AI is called is sloppy. You might hear people say AI slop, both in contents and in code, it exists. And it's true because AI only knows as much as it's given. Won't know any more or less. And so there sometimes is a true reality that AI can generate things that isn't great, but it doesn't mean not using it is the right answer. So I think a lot of them are just like hesitating because they they know what right looks like. But when you're trying to weigh out like the speed at which they can build versus like, is it right? I'd rather speed of build and then figure out how to fix it than like just go so astronomically slow, but it'd be perfect, but it'd take 10 years. Right? Because builds have gone from like, you know, if you wanted to build like a new startup like years ago, that people would spend like a year in stealth mode building. That is not a thing anymore. You could literally spin something up over a weekend and try to start selling it now. So yeah, I don't know. So like I think people are just afraid to adopt it, including the people in the industry, but I I think just because there might be some AI slop, it's not it's not enough to outweigh just adopt actually adopting it altogether. My opinion.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Fair enough. Yeah. Um, five years from now, a normal uh family on a Sunday afternoon, paint a scene with AI in it. Um, where is it? What is it doing? Um, and what is the family doing instead? Oh, this is a great, great question.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

That family is spending some quality time together, and there's a robot hanging out that is powered by AI, that is taking photos, video, that is bringing them their meals, um, that is watching the kids when they go into the lake and making sure that they're being safe when the parents are turned around. I truly think that is actually a reality that could happen not just in five years, maybe even less. Um, because right now we're in like the the software reality of AI. What I'm speaking about now is the hardware reality of AI, which is like we see a lot of people trying to build that. And so I think actually we have these families that are being supported by artificial intelligence in the physical world now. Um, and so I think that's what I see, which is like a really funky thing to think of. It seems almost too futuristic. Um, because there's a whole road you can go down of like, you know, these physical versions of AI having their own capacity to think and evolve and grow and like what that actually means. But I think it just means that you can spend more time with your family and you can use AI to support in all the other pieces of your life that you might not need it. Maybe it's clean the house inside while you guys are outside hanging out, you know? For sure. That's what I'm seeing, I think in my head.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

How about you? I I agree. Um, and in you know, having you know someone out there that's that's always answering your emails, making sure you're um, you know, doing your food orders, making sure that you're you're staying on track health wise. Um my my I think where I I like it the most is is in healthcare, yeah. Um and just in health in general. Um, you know, making sure you're eating the right stuff, um, making sure your meal planning and meal prepping is is on point to what is going to be good for your family. Yeah. Um, you know, and and having that autonomously ordered, right? And delivered to your home. So you're not in that grocery store grabbing that bag of chips you don't need, grabbing that um, you know, processed meat that you don't need.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Um, it's out there picking the meat that is is safe for your family and that that's something that you want. Um, we do it all the time. Like you've been to a grocery store and you've been hungry. Do you buy a bunch of junk you don't need?

SPEAKER_01 26:01

Yeah. 100%, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Shit and go hungry. So it, you know, that's like a kind of a use case for me is that it's gonna go out and and do all that stuff for you. No one enjoys going to Costco. No. I mean, I don't. I mean, maybe there's there's people who do, but um I would far rather be spending quality time with the people in my life versus uh pushing a cart around and trying to buy food and then buying buying a bunch of stuff you just don't need. So, you know, and I think that it'll also help find the right deals. It'll find the you know the stuff that's on sale that you don't have time for. Um, you know, back to that conversation on me at Home Depot getting, you know, irrigation stuff. Um it's it's it's doing that work that you don't want to do. Like you can still do the things you want to do, but it's it's that mundane stuff that is um not necessarily productive to your general life.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

Do you think the prospect of that future makes us less human? Because there's so many of those little things that maybe are mundane. I I I think about this all the time, and I don't I don't know if I have a good answer for it, but like all these little things, like I, you know, cut in the grass or I don't know what, like working on something in the garage or even going out to the grocery store. Some people find like those mundane things just very human. And so does taking that stuff away make us less human?

SPEAKER_00 27:30

I'm not saying you don't like don't do it. Yeah. I'm saying that you don't have to do it all the time. But instead of because it's human connection, right? Is what you're saying. Yeah. And and you know, bumping into that person at the at the grocery store, um, you know, like relationship-wise, right? I mean, people are are using the internet to find their girlfriend or boyfriend and so on and so forth. And, you know, it's that whole point of like when you stop looking, you find that person. And maybe it's bumping into them picking out the same fruit and having that conversation. I I get that there is that, but I think that society will start having things that are more intentional on human connection, right? So that grocery store um connection that won't be needed because it'll be something that'll take its place. That will be, you know, if you're interested in in pickleball, you're interested in a sport, you're interested in art, you're interested in music, it's gonna give more free time to be put put yourself into that situation. That is, you're you're there um doing something that is of interest to you, um, not doing something because you have to. And I think you're gonna meet more people that are like-minded in that setting versus a grocery store. Fair. That's that's kind of my thought process. And in, you know, the conversation with a lot of people who are kind of against this and and don't want this to happen or are scared of it, they are scared that it's just gonna be, you know, your household and you're just gonna stay in your home and it's gonna be you're gonna lose that human connection. It's up to us as human beings, I believe, to it's a business opportunity, really, like building those spaces for people to have that human connection. You know, people aren't gonna buy cars without talking to a human. They need to build trust. There needs to be that that peace. But to get in if just get simple information quickly, I would rather have that, but I do want to talk to someone. Fair. Um, you know, charity aspects and and you know, events and and things like that, there'll be more of them because we will have more time to do them.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Fair. Fair. Yeah, I think uh my belief is that you know, over the next several years, I think some of the biggest opportunity will be the ability for people to bring people together. Like I think that will actually be some of the biggest businesses out there is to be able to be able to bring people into either the right room or the right experience or whatever it might be. Because the more and more that we adopt all this, both like from a software and the and in the physical world, like people are gonna want to lean towards like those opportunities to connect. Because I often relate it to like when people retire, right? They often get bored and often they go back to like doing like some sort of work or something like that. And so that's usually where my mind goes when thinking about like how much we adopt AI, especially in the physical world and what it can do for us, is that you're right, it's up to us to figure out like what our new purpose is. If we're gonna use AI for all these things, we need to be able to actually like have purpose in our life, and that just might mean like connecting in different ways, right? So, but that's how I relate to it. It's like people deal with it right now when they go retire, like in a traditional method, right? And so we just need to find ways to to connect. And that might be like you said, might through experiences.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Well, you don't go to the grocery store to connect to someone, no, right? You that's just you don't. But if you go to an art installation and you're interested in that type of art, you're with a bunch of people that have the same interests as you. Now you're being intentional on meeting people who have the same likes and and and wants you do as a human. So I I think I think you're right. And I think, you know, I I I hope. I that's all we can really do right now is also hope um that it it doesn't go too far. Um, but I think it's up to us as humanity to stand up and say, we don't want this, we want that. Yep. And and we want human connection, and and that's gonna give the entrepreneurs in different spaces the opportunity and the ideas to go out and and do that for other people.

SPEAKER_02 32:00

Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Some industries will be unrecognizable by 2030. What do you think is the first industry that is kind of like wiped off the map?

SPEAKER_02 32:12

Wiped off the map? This is gonna be a funny one because it's like what I'm in right now. Um but I think I think the software, the software agency space, I think, uh, and software engineers in general, I think that eventually will be wiped off the map. Um we're already seeing it, we're feeling it, um, and we're trying to change on how we do things, right? Um because like I think that's one of the biggest use cases of AI right now. Like you talk you said it before, 41% of code is written by AI, right? At some point it's gonna be so good and so smart that it might not need any human intervention besides the initial trigger to actually be like, this is the idea, go.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

Because one thing that I struggle with is like I really enjoy vibe coding. Um I I love being able to get an idea, put it down, and like see something from it. Where before I would have to try to remember, try to write it down, try to like journal it or or whatever that may be, and then try to bring it up to somebody. And they're like, What? What does it really make sense? But I can sit there and you know, I turn voice on and I have a conversation and and then I'll put it down and I get to come back that it's like surprise, like, and I'm like, oh my god, that's yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Right. And and and it goes down to like how you are with prompts and and understanding that, which which you know, people listening, it's it's it's not a daunting thing to do. It's just you know, learning and yeah, and uh asking the question and and being intentional with what you're trying to accomplish. Um so which brings me to like what your conversation, what your comment was on software engineers, because for me, where I get stuck is the APIs, the plugins, yeah. Um, you know, all of those things. I I and I and I and I think that's gonna be that's humans. Um, I'm a builder, I'm a creator. I I don't take things like I I like creating, and then once I get the the the bones of it, yep, I don't want to do the rest.

unknown 34:32

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

So I think there will always be a use case there that, you know, until that becomes autonomous, which I mean, I don't know how that how that works, but yeah, um, I think that there always will need to be, you know, a company that can take that stuff and really turn it into something that's usable. Yeah. Because we can all come up with these ideas and no not many people can go from start to finish in a in a perfect way. We can be really good at certain things. Um, and if you understand that and you have, you know, those teams and those people inside your business where you can build that idea, get it to that 80%, yeah, and have someone go finish the last 20.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

Yeah. And a revamp my answer a bit, actually, now that we've you've kind of talked through a bunch of that. So I do, I do agree. Um more specifically, I think like anyone that like designs websites or anything like very, very simple, anything where you basically you just said you can like spend a couple hours, maybe even less than an hour, and have like something pretty good in terms of like a website or a very simple app and stuff like that. So, because you bring up a point where it's like you love your builder, you're a creator, you love starting the process, be able to like visualize your idea, but then you know the the nitty-gritty of like, you know, third-party connections and APIs and like wanting to like finish it. Either, you know, it there's a complexity to it that don't want to deal with, or you just like you just want to hand it off because you're like, cool, I have my idea on the table now, like I want someone to take it, take it to where it needs to be, and I want to be able to actually use it.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

Um I think businesses will have software engineers, AI engineers, yes, as a part of their core business. It'll be it'll be up there with CFOs, it'll be up there as a as a higher up job in that in that business, yeah, to to be that for the business owner, the entrepreneur, because not many entrepreneurs like the finish.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Yeah. I think I still think software engineers themselves will eventually, and I'll say this with a caveat, be wiped off, but their role will just be different. Because, and I don't think we'll maybe call them software engineers anymore. They might be called like software or AI orchestrators or s something to that effect, because the, you know, software engineers inherently like research and build code. That's that's what they did. Now, if we have AI doing a lot of that, what do you become? You just become an orchestrator of it. So it's like I think that the traditional version of that job is gone and will be gone in several years or less, see how fast everything is kind of going. I think it will just be different. And I think you're right that the most businesses will have someone, an AI orchestrator of some kind, to be able to actually build and maintain all those things. Because it's I I don't know. I I s I still have a belief, I don't know how long this this far this will go, but like just because someone can learn something and very easily doesn't mean that they will or will want to. And this is still holds true, I think, with AI. Just because it's easy to go learn AI now, and it is, and it's easy to like start something, doesn't mean that you will always want to like do it or maintain it because that might not be the core of like who you are and what your job is, right? So yeah, I think there's still space. I just think it will just be very, very different. The traditional versions of it all will be wiped out, but like it will just turn into something new.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

Yeah, I think that's gonna be with a lot of like data entry and you know, all of that stuff. I literally I I think um, you know, just like planning and and you know, especially like setting up like CFO type roles, I think the owner of the business or or someone general managers and so on and so forth will be able to do that far, far faster, far more efficiently. I think if you're listening and you're you know, you own a business and you're um you know not fully understanding AI, I think the next person you hire inside your business is an AI orchestrator. I think that is, I think that is an opportunity that people listening owning a business should be looking at right now.

SPEAKER_02 38:59

100% agree. Because if you're not, you're already falling behind because people, other people like the businesses you have will be probably doing the same thing. Someone else is already doing it, so why not you?

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Hey, you got you have to get on the bus or it's gonna run you over, unfortunately. Yeah. Um, you know, I don't think it's gonna wipe jobs off the planet. I think it's gonna make everybody a lot more efficient and it's gonna open up a lot more jobs. And I'll and I'll ask you that. What do you, other than like an AI orchestrator, what do you think would be a position inside of a business that is gonna be new that we haven't seen yet?

SPEAKER_02 39:38

Hmm. Something that's gonna be new that we haven't seen yet. Um so I think there's gonna be something, I don't I don't know what to call this, I don't know what it's around, but I think it's gonna be around security and governance of it all. That is a big thing. We haven't talked about it. A lot of people still don't talk about it, uh, is around the guardrails of AI. So, yes, you'll have your AI orchestrators, this is the people building the thing. But then I think you almost need there's a whole regulation side of it. And I think you're gonna have someone that is going to need to be able to regulate it. And it's inherently gonna happen because you're already hearing about policies both in Canada and in the US of like uh coming up for AI and how you can control it safely and deploy it safely. And so I think you're gonna need an expert. That's why like people like businesses, like you know, they hire lawyers and anything, whatever you know, industry they're in, if they're in healthcare, they need to be compliant with all the healthcare uh regulations out there. I think every business is gonna have to be compliant with AI regulation. And so I think someone who I don't know what the role an AI regulator within your business that's just an expert in it, I think will be one of the biggest roles in the future because every business will be will have to comply to it. No longer will there be like, you know, these heavily regulated industries, almost everything that AI touches will be regulated. And it I I think that's a that's a fact. Like it will have to be.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Yep. I'd agree with you 100%. A parent who's listening that has say a 14-year-old uh kid, um, what conversation do you think they should be having around the dirt dinner table with their kids about AI? And do you think it's a necessity to have that conversation?

SPEAKER_02 41:35

Yes. I d I'll start with that. I do think it's a necessity to have a conversation. One I feel like as a parent, it's your responsibility to make sure that whatever your kids are are learning is you know inherently what you want them to learn and what they should know. If by that age they haven't heard AI, they are going to hear it very, very soon. So you may as well have that conversation with them about using it. We could go deep into what AI means, especially in like the education space or anything like that. Um but I think it's safe to talk to them about it because I like personally for me, I don't want my daughter to to be stupid because I feel like you know, if you use AI so much in learning or to do work for you, like inherently I feel like we are gonna become a little bit more dumb. And so I want to teach them how to use it to your advantage to learn faster and better and like maybe forego some of the mundane stuff of having to like you know memorize a list of like all the, I don't know what, the periodic table or something like that. Like there's some things that you're like, I don't need to know that, right? For sure, for sure. Um but I think us as parents, like you should be talking to your to your kids about how to use AI to help you more, not make you dumb, uh, and learn less. So it's a fine line, right? Because like, can you imagine if we're in school and we had to go write an essay? Why wouldn't you go to AI to help you write that essay?

SPEAKER_00 43:12

So But the context of writing the essay, right? You have to come up with that context to write a powerful essay. Yeah. You have to understand that it it that there's there's parts of each essay and an opening, a closing, and and your body in it and everything else, yeah, and how it's gonna captivate the listener, but you need to tell it that.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

It can't just it's not gonna come up with a world-class essay every time. And you can see right through it. When you have conversations with someone who's using AI, you can see right through it. So you have to also be intelligent enough to use it, yep, manipulate it into your own way, because you can train it to sound like you kind of, yeah, but it still sounds like a robot.

SPEAKER_02 43:54

100%. I and I think like if you are you know using it as like a really powerful um not editor but like you know like co-learner with you right like you're talking to it it's talking to you you're basically brainstorming back and forth on like you know what a great essay about I don't know whatever the automotive industry could be um my suggestion is always still like make sure you don't just you know take that first draft and send it across and be like this is it because I think that's the lazy uh factor that can come in and that's where us as parents should encourage our kids to like not be lazy with it talk to it more speak to it more because the more you talk about whatever it's drafting you inherently will start learning the content of it and I think that's the most important part like you still want to learn the content of it. But I think this is like any natural progression of learning. Like you know we used to do handwritten math. When's the last time you did it and when's the last time it's been really taught in school like you don't really need to do that anymore. Right. So like I think this is just like an evolution of uh of learning that can occur it's just a massive leap from what we've seen in the past. So yeah I would encourage talk to your kids about it definitely like for you like have you talked to your family about it? Like how do you guys talk about AI?

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Yeah 100% I mean I I said that three years ago I said that to Ryder I'm like you know what you need to understand and be really good at it because it is gonna be what is going to make you different going out in the job market. Yeah and it doesn't matter what you're doing. You know he wants to become a uh a pilot he needs he needs to be able to understand it even being a pilot. He needs to be able to do flight plans with it and understand what's going on. Yep and and you know you get to ask questions about weather you get to no I'm saying that in a in in an aviation side of things yeah um to be able to learn more and self-learn yourself and that you don't underst sometimes you may not understand what the textbook says but if you get a grasp on like what the context is and you could say okay well if uh this cloud means that it's good this is what the air is going to be like up there or so on and so forth why but you get to ask direct questions with and getting an answer that you may understand more because it's starting to learn how that needs to be brought to you. Yep. Right so I I think that's that's the key in um if you're you know sitting around that dinner table going it's not a thing I would urge you to really take a second look at that. Because it's not going anywhere. It 100% isn't um you know there's there's you you have to you have to get on that bus and you have to understand it to some to some degree. And people are going to take it further than others. And that's another thing I wanted to get into is um AI brainwashing. Okay and and how I'll like people will see you know an area that they want to you know something happen in their life and they're like oh I want to change that and um you know I've seen it a little bit and and heard stories about people who think that oh my God I've just solved this massive world problem or I've just you know oh my God I've just came up with this amazing idea and I'm gonna be this and it's uh it's really scary that because it it is gonna tell you that you are the smartest person that this is something that has never been heard of before. Yeah and you you have to check yourself. Yeah or else you will think you're on this road and it goes nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

No it's uh it's very much a yes man it's very agreeable. It will think you are the best and only the best and your ideas if you tell it that it's unique it will say that it's unique. You need to like you need it you need to direct it to be harder on you right because yeah it will it will absolutely um want to encourage you in the best way but it might lead you down the wrong path. Like now I feel like it's getting a little better and there are ways that you can make it so it's not so agreeable and like you know that it's actually like gut checking everything that you say. But it is easy I don't know if you've well you probably have dealt with this a lot of time too but like a lot of people use AI as their their therapist and sometimes I find now that a lot of people can't even have a conversation because if I ask you a question you and it's a hard question some people's default is like to go ask AI first instead of having like an original thought about it. And so that's one thing that I'm like working with and even like within like my own company the people I'm dealing with like my friends like a lot of them ask a lot of questions with AI and will take the take AI's word for it when it is not right a hundred percent of the time and I also think that you should be have enough emotional intelligence to have like an opinion about something without having to like necessarily go to AI first to have an answer. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Have you experienced that yourself if anyone a little bit yeah it's it's um it's more like it's more along for me it was more along the lines of um them thinking that you know there's this like they just come up they've just discovered the cure for cancer or whatever right oil yeah right it's it's uh and it's because they haven't taken the time to really understand what's happening. But uh and I guess that would kind of take me into you know where I want to talk about like you know automation what agents are um what kind of hacks you could share with people that are new to this because I I I really want this to be for people who um aren't professional AI people you know um you know most people are using a AI like it's Google um they're getting 10% of what it can actually do.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

What's one habit that's someone uh that could take someone from a beginner uh to actually getting value out of AI I love that um so a lot of people are using AI like ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude uh as another search engine which is fine it's like a it's a decent place to start but the power comes when it can start taking actions for you now you asked a little bit ago like almost explaining like what an agent is and like like what does it do? How do you create one all this stuff very simple for the people listening all agents are if you think of artificial intelligence that's the brain what makes an agent is giving it a tool to go do something. Combining the two is the definition of an agent that's it and it's like it's no more or less complicated than that. It's just giving AI the tools to go do stuff. And so I would encourage people that the next best thing that you can do is actually learn how to use those tools inside of like ChatGPT, Gemini and Claude the best way to actually start is to ask it there it will tell you how it you can actually get these tools in. And I'll give a very simple example because like people are like I I still don't know if that's that's too complicated for me. Most of these things can connect through email like most of you probably have like a Gmail or something like that. Literally go into ChatGPT and be like how do I connect my Gmail and it will tell you how to do it do it and what it can do is like it can read it can actually send emails uh it can organize your inbox you just ask it to do it. And so there's very very simple steps where that's just one tool that you can actually get it to go do. That's like someone deals with all of us deal with in our everyday life is emails. And so once you start there honestly the world is endless.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

So let's not before we go past that so someone listening who has like their you know three they have their home account they got their work account uh for emails and they have no folders they have nothing set up if they're doing a home renovation it's just buried somewhere yeah how could give us a use case on for someone that listening that's like hey I need to take all the emails that I have in regards to X move it into a folder name it this is that something that can be done how would you do it and um because I think that would be a pretty easy first step for somebody.

unknown 53:16

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 53:17

I think so um so I will default to to claude I'm a Claude guy big Claude guy if you haven't heard it out there Claude is uh is bianthropic it is a very popular um AI chat interface but it's also one of the smartest if you are using ChatGPT or Gemini or anything else I would highly recommend you just just go try Claude $20 a month there's also a free version like it's not that hard just go towards it because it is one of the smartest things you can do. But here are the practical steps log into Claude go to integrations click Gmail or Outlook whatever you know email that you use and you tell exactly what you just said hey I need to you know take everything from this home renovation project and put it into a single folder go do that it will literally go do that and it will go organize it into a folder. You could get more complicated than that and you're like also go through it and anything that is a cold email or spam or whatever put into junk or delete. It will also go do that. But it is that simple it is literally just clicking yes I want to connect this this my email and then telling it what to do. That's half the job.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

So could you take it and say you know here's my home renovation it was Bob the builder who was my guy who was helping me with it. There's invoices in there could you then take all those invoices put in a spreadsheet and give me an idea as to like what we spent and where we spent it that I mean there's another use case that would be super impactful for a lot of people listening that is something that we do all the time you know it's easy as it's as easy as that. And if you're listening going well that would be easy then you need to understand what's happening today because again you're saving time you you know then when you go to do another renovation in your house you could then take it a next step further and say you know hey the renovation we did in the upstairs you know two bedrooms um that you know all about we're gonna do the two bedrooms downstairs let's use the same thing but find me a better deal on um whatever it may be right like something from home some sort of material whatever right yeah and and it's gonna go and give you a best use case scenario on that that is probably way better than you saying hey my friend said this to me and it really hurt my feelings how should I email them back or how should I text them or how should I bring this up right yes that is where that is where you start saving time and this starts being being a very valuable tool inside your home and and in your day to day life.

SPEAKER_02 55:57

Yeah it's not just something that you just have a conversation with it can do stuff for you. And so I think that's like for everyone to level up it is actually getting to that point of it getting to do things for you. And like I said like the email example is great and we could go down the rabbit hole of the endless things that are possible and what it can do what you just described with like the spreadsheets and stuff like that all possible. And so but like to keep it simple it's definitely start with a thing that you use every day which is like likely your likely your your emails and this could be personal like or work truthfully um and I think that would be a great first step is just to get it to do stuff for you not just have a conversation.

SPEAKER_00 56:44

And then you know someone who is like well I'm not sure it's kind of scary and so what would you say to someone who's listening that's also like well I don't want it to have access to my email what if it goes and shares all these like really important emails with with someone else or does Anthropic see it?

SPEAKER_02 57:02

What is your answer to that to those people who are like well I don't trust it oh trust is a finicky thing uh with AI and people have some strong beliefs on trust with it what I what I will say is I believe any risks associated with AI um and if that is like information leaks or anything like that, none of these big companies want that to happen. I guarantee it they don't want it to happen because it looks bad for them. I think not adopting AI for the sake of it's risky or I don't want it to have access to this or that, I think is the bigger risk.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

Because they have to also understand that their emails are living in a cloud. Someone already has access to it. It's if if you're asking Gemini to go through and and sort your emails for you um I don't know if Gemini can actually do that because I don't use Gemini but I'm using that example because Google is your email host. So if you trust if you trust hosting your email on Google, then why aren't you trusting it of Gemini going through it?

SPEAKER_02 58:17

And I'll put it Is that fair to say it is and I'll put it this way too it's we already give up so much more information than we probably honestly even care about. Like people say they care about these things and like the risk of that but truthfully for me I honestly think it's an excuse as to why they don't want to try something new because how many personal ads do you get fed? You know you talk about something you go to Instagram and it pops up or you know you're going through Facebook and another ad pops up for you know a car that you were looking at or whatever it might be. Like you're so much of your information is already being tracked, ingested and visible to a lot of companies we I think honestly think we care more than we than we actually do. And so I would just like you know maybe there's industries where you know not having access to your email or making sure it's very secure might be a thing. I you know I'm trying to think of like for sure I I can maybe healthcare I don't know right like you know client records or something like that. There's still some risk there. But I think overall like you would give up so much information it seeing your email it's not going to do something unless you tell it to do it.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

And I and I think it's funny where you said you know because people say it all the time oh my God I was just talking about this and I was um you know I briefly looked at the uh something they were interested in purchasing and now I now it's they're showing it to me on Facebook and Google and all these things. So and they're like oh my God it's like an invasion of my privacy. Well let me ask you this if you're listening and that's your thought process would you rather if you're interested in buying a new hockey stick and um you're scrolling your social media or on the internet and you're getting an ad for you know a good deal on a hockey stick a good deal you know a a discount or or whatever that may be or or more information about the hockey stick you looked at would you rather that or would you rather them show you um bags of chips or cigarettes or other things? Like why not let them show you the things you're actually interested in right so as as weird as it may sound and as weird as it may be in the feeling it is when you're like oh my God I was just talking about that and now I'm seeing it again or I just briefly scrolled and looked, you know, spent X amount of time on a page looking at something that was interesting to me that is showing the algorithm that that person is interested in that exact thing. It's it's not listening. It's understanding how long you're on a page and how long you're staring at something um but would you not rather I'll go back to my my original comment would you not rather be inter be shown something that you're actually interested in or just be shown a bunch of garbage that you don't care about. 100% yeah I'd rather be showing it together. So think of it that way.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:11

Yeah because like yeah it doesn't you want I'd rather they're trying to make it more convenient for you. Yes they're also trying to like you know maybe push to sell you something but I'd rather be shown the best options in front of me right away than like like you said then garbage that maybe is so irrelevant to me in my life. Yeah I agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:33

What's a prompt or workflow you use every single day that has changed how you work?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:38

One thing that was always a big struggle for me was trying to get a pulse on the day what my team has worked on what they're going to be working on things I need to do. And so one thing I set up was like every day I get a message uh to my Slack um and it DMs me one what I need to do for the day two what's being worked on by the team today uh and three anything that's behind. And so that itself because I think a lot of us have maybe you start the day and it's almost like a blank camp canvas and you try to just like go in every single direction and you probably have the most unproductive day you've ever had in your life, right? You bounce around from this to this to this. And so that alone is something that has just started my day in the right way where I know what I need to do for that day. I know what my team might need from me that day um and it just makes the day less loose if that makes sense. So I would say that's something and that's an agent that I built that does that for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:49

And I undoubtedly get that message every single day at 8 a.m so for those listening so and and they listen they're like oh that's cool like I like something like that. How long did that would that agent take a normal person to build?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

Um I want to say like maybe just a couple days I think like maybe actual total work of like of eight hours of actually like sitting down and working on it. But like you probably won't honestly vibe code for eight hours straight. Maybe you will I don't know um but I think a couple days I think you could get that get something like that absolutely solved or even like a version of it in a day.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:32

Absolutely you know one thing I use all the time is when I put something in my calendar and I have a meeting with somebody I want a obviously a notification that hey this meeting's coming up here's what you're talking about. Here's what the meeting's about here's some things that you know from past uh conversations we've had and things like that. Here's some things I think you should bring up to that person. Um here's uh you know kind of a meeting plan um that to me has made my meetings more intentional and and yeah it it's little tiny things that people can take um and build something around and and ask for help in in inside of you know whatever uh you know claude or whatever system you're using to to make you be more ready for that conversation more ready for that meeting um it can build you a slide deck right away and and you could kind of like visually see how your meeting's gonna go with somebody if you're you know in sales or or something like that. And you know we use different tools around here to make sure that we are very prepared for that conversation. And no one likes walking into a conversation blindly no you know if you're if that's if that's the business you're in and I'm sure you hate it. And I think this is a a use case again that can make you more intentional and more um intelligent inside the meeting.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:05

100% and I feel like it's a given nowadays but someone once asked me like what's the the most you know common AI tool you use every day or something like that. And at first I was leaning towards like oh like it's it's clawed or something like that. You know what it is though? It's um any AI note taker when's the last time you took meeting notes isn't that just like something like a given now like you jump into a virtual meeting and it's being recorded and then you can go use that transcript for either like if it's sales team like how you improve your sales calls or if it's a client you're like great I know what I need to do next on the project. But like I take that for granted sometimes I've been using like the like AI note takers are honestly one of the most simplest and best tools out there. And if you're not using it you absolutely should be using it. But I honestly like think about it sometimes on my Like, man, I take that for granted. Like, I I don't even think about it nowadays, but I haven't had to take meeting notes in a very, very long time. Um, my issue now is like in-person meetings and like getting that stuff recorded because that feels a bit more weird of like putting like a mic down and like we're having a coffee chat with someone and like trying to record an in-person meeting, but like I feel like that is probably one of the the biggest AI tools that I use right now. So I use Fathom.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:28

I think I think more people will, you know, in that face-to-face meeting will understand what that could do for the conversation that's being had.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:37

And I think, you know, if you have two people, like if you and I were sitting down talking about a project we're working on and and you're like, I'm gonna record this, I'm like, hell yeah, I am too.

unknown 1:06:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:45

Right. Because I want my I want my machine learning side of things and my agents, right, to understand what the conversation is, how we're having the conversation, yep, and how it's gonna help me be better in whatever we're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:59

100%.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:00

I agree. In normal person language, like what is an agent and what is the first thing like a regular person is gonna do to interact with it?

SPEAKER_02 1:07:08

Yeah, so there's like uh the brain, and then there's the skills, which is like what you can actually, uh the specific skill that you can teach the agent as we learn skills, the like the literally the same way. You just need to give it a system prompt of what that skill is, and then that can use tools to go do things. So agents themselves is the consolidation of all that. It's like a really powerful AI brain that has a set of skills and a toolbox in which it can go out and take actions, whether that is like, you know, read an email, write an email, send an email, pull a file from Google Drive, build a spreadsheet, uh message someone. Literally anything like that are all tools. Now, and let's use the message as an example of sending someone a message. The sending someone a message is that's the actual uh tool. Now the skill is like how you want that message sent. Remember, now we're talking about like the tonality, the specific content of that message itself is around the skill and how you actually develop that skill. Funny enough, my answer always goes back to you just ask AI. You tell it, you're like, hey, this is how I normally talk. This is what I would normally want to say. And it's a bit more generic and vague. And that is literally the skill. And anytime it needs to send a message, it will refer to that skill. Be like, cool, I need to do this, so I need to check how I'd use the skill. That's how I do it. Great. Write the message, send the message. And so that is like, hopefully, in the simplest form, what an agent is um and what a skill is.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:51

Elon Musk said uh that we could arrive at AGI in 2026. Explain AGI, explain what a world would look like if we if humans were not the smartest people on earth. Last part, do you believe that?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:08

Do I believe that humans won't be the smartest, or just like the whole AGI and what it could do? I guess both. Both, yeah. Yeah. So AGI, first, um, artificial general intelligence. There's different phases of um the life of AI or the journey of AI in which we're going to take. There's AGI, artificial general intelligence. There's ASI, artificial superintelligence. AGI is when artificial intelligence is as smart as us. And that doesn't just mean the knowledge that it knows, but also the actions that it can take. So AGI is basically saying that art of AI is at the same level as humans. Um ASI is when it becomes smarter than us. Now, if you go down the rabbit hole of um the best AI companies in the world, the research that they're doing and the models that they're building, the reason why we might go from AGI to ASI very quickly is because the moment we hit AGI, what are humans great at? We're actually pretty good at learning stuff. And we've gone pretty far in life with what we have been willing to learn, willing to invent. Um, and the moment that we give AI has that level of intelligence that's as as smart as us, it knows everything that we know and it can do everything that we can do, um it will want to improve. It will actually want to innovate. And so, yeah, I think I do think we will get to AGI. Elon Musk said by 2026 or 2027. What was his uh quote?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:49

2026, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:52

I don't know if we'll get to it this year. I think we'll get very, very, very close. But I do believe in the next couple years we 100% will be there. Um but this is a it's a scary flywheel because like like I said, it we go from AGI, I think, to ASI very, very quickly because that's the one thing it is good at. Its ability to learn and implement is so much quicker than like humans could ever do. So yeah, so I think it I definitely think it's there. Um, and we will get there. I don't know I don't know what it looks like in our day-to-day lives and how that like interacts with us and how it might make us feel, but like we undoubtedly won't be the smartest thing on this planet in like five years. We won't. And like I actually already think there's examples, especially in like the the healthcare space, um, where there was whole research um and experiments being done to find um what was it? It was in oncology, so cancer related. Um, but they basically did the whole research using AI. And like it came up with the experiments, came up with the controls, it came up with like how we're gonna do it. It was just up to the humans to actually like do the experiment, but it came up with everything, and it actually led to like new um new discoveries in that field, and so it's like we're already almost there, and so I think that's actually where some of the cool stuff is. Like, some of the stuff we never thought was possible to to cure might actually be possible because of AI, because it can learn and innovate faster than we ever could. So for me, that would be really cool. Like my twin brother, he has autism. There is no cure for autism, there's tons of research and money and people that are out there trying to find one. I do I believe AI will probably be the thing that helps find it if it does exist.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:57

Do you think AI will make people live longer?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:00

Yes. I think so. Like, I'm sure there's a bunch of caveats around that, but like my general sentiment is that like I think we will live longer. Because if we like you think back, like without modern day medicine, as good or bad, you know, some of it might be, we live longer than we did a hundred years ago. We do, right? And so, and it wasn't it that didn't happen just by accident, it was intentional. It was innovation, learning, innovation, learning, innovation. And so, yeah, I do think that AI will make us live longer. I I definitely see a world where like humans are living to 150. Why not? Right? And especially goes back to like when we were talking about the physical world, it's like, cool, if you have something, you know, a robot going out and doing all the shopping and stuff like that. You're not looking at like the the junk food and all this stuff, you're always like eating healthy, it's always making sure that you're taking care of your health. It has like all your your health metrics and it knows when things are like dipping down, you know. So like I think just because we're able to diagnose fa faster, um, there'll probably be more cures. Why wouldn't we live longer?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:09

Yeah, because like I have it attached to my my Apple Watch, yeah, and my agents know what my health's like, what my sleep's like, what everything else, and it's it's helping me because I've given it, you know, here's where I want to be. Yep. And I need you to help me get there and help me stay on track, right? And and I think that's that's really cool because it can pull different, you know, heart uh measurements and and everything like that. And um, you know, it could it could say, you know, you had a shitty sleep last night, like what did you eat before bed? You know, well, I ate this. Well, that's why. Yeah, how would I ever known that before? No, exactly. So, I mean, just again, another really simple use case that is very simple, very easy to use, but has a huge benefit to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:00

Because we're kind of talking to, you know, individuals and families and whatever else that that aren't really high up and really understanding the uh AI space, privacy, you know, deep fakes, and like now that there's there's voice AI and people kind of cloning people's voice and you know, the scamming and things like that. What would be something that you would say to dinner table? This is gonna be really cool and very important. What would you say to a family to dinner table that is worried about scammers or their grandparents and the the older people in the world that you know they get a call from what could be their grandson with the same voice saying, Hey, I'm here and I'm stuck and I need you to send me money, right? Because that's the thing that's gonna happen and is already happening. Would you have a family have like a code word or something per se? How would you protect your family in a place like that?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:58

Wow. Um that's an awesome question. How would I protect my family in a case like that? I mean, man, I mean, what you were saying, like maybe it is a code word, right? But I don't know. Like because it's a true reality of that that stuff will definitely happen. Um how would I want to protect my family? One, I mean, uh making sure everyone is educated in AI, because if you're not, then you're already going to be more susceptible to it. So I think that's like a basic level. But um two, I actually think you might be able to use AI to your advantage in those cases. So I'll explain. You already, and it's not great, but you already can screen like calls ahead of time. What if you just had a family AI agent that answers all your calls first and it will decide whether or not it's real or not? I don't know if the technology is there yet, but that could be a way where it's like, how do you use it to fight against it? And I think that actually could be a benefit. So it's like, it's not like you know, trying to just warn your family, maybe shelter them from like the realities of what could be true. It's like how do we use it now to our advantage and to our leverage to protect ourselves? I do think that like AI can be the answer against people that are trying to use AI in the negative way. And so, and it might be the only way to do that, truthfully, um, besides like, you know, potentially policy and regulation. But like I think that might be the only way to protect it. And yeah, it might come down to like maybe some simple stuff as like family has a code word that rotates every single month or something like that, that we only know because we meet together at a dinner table. Um, that only us will know. And so it's like if you're calling, you need to say it. But like, truthfully, man, that's kind of like a scary prospect now that you like you mentioned that. It's like you're almost always on edge.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:09

But kind of, like you still send your kids to a park, like back in the day, like when it was safe too. Yeah, you know, some people don't anymore, that you you're like I as a kid got on my bike, rode to the park, hung out with my friends, knew not to talk to strangers, yep, knew that you know, I had like a quick route home, or there was, you know, like a uh, you know, a way I could get a hold of my parents if something was was to happen. Yep. So I think it is this the same, different. Okay. Right? Instead of having, you know, someone at the park who's gonna whatever could do something to you or harm you as a child, that's just now happening online or via phone. Yeah. So if you have put the same parameters that if something doesn't smell right, you and the kids need to understand the the questions and they need to understand how to ask. And if and you know, in that sense, and and parents as well, you know, if if if you're getting a phone call and saying, like, hey, uh, you know, I'm in trouble or this or that, it could sound like that person, but it but to build those safety nets is very important for a family right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:17

Not saying this is happening right now, but I'm just saying that this is a possibility. Yep. But to set up a safety net inside your family, I think is a huge, huge thing today that needs to be talked around, talked about around the dinner table on how to protect yourselves.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:35

And it might be as simple as like you just come up with um your rules of engagement. Like, I will never ask you for X, Y, and Z. And so if I call you and I ask you for that, your default answer should be no, right? We see it all the time with like, you know, um, like banks where we're like, they'll they'll send you a reminder, hey, we'll never ask for like your social security number or something like that, like through a text. Like it just might be rules of engagement of that, right? Where you're like, yeah, I will never ask you for this. And if you get a call or you know, I see a future where, like you said, like a FaceTime almost, and it's like a virtual avatar of like someone in your family, and they ask you for something, you're like, Yep, we've already talked about this. If they're asking for this, my immediate answer is no. And that might be it. So yeah, I think it's just creating the you call the safety net, guardrails, rule, your family rule of engagement, whatever it might be, yeah, it's just becomes more important nowadays. Um, because I know like, especially like when my daughter, she's like a year and a half. By the time she's like, you know, 10, 11, 12, I can't even I can't even imagine the level of technology that's gonna be available and like the risks that are out there for for kids and their families.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:57

Yeah, I don't want to scare anybody in saying that. I'm just saying that that is a that is a real possibility. Yeah. And that it's just something that needs to be thought about top of mind. So for those who are thinking AI is nothing and we're not gonna get involved, and we're just gonna, you know, we're just gonna use ChatGPT like a search engine, there is a reason for you to start understanding it. Yeah. Because it's it's not going anywhere. No. The one thing about AI you're most excited about that nobody else is talking about, pitch me.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:27

I would say that there is a possibility out there where um each one of us can have a physical version of AI um as a household item. And um, and I think you should do it. I don't think many people are talking about it. Like, do you have anything physical that has AI in it that is anything for you? No. Probably not, right? I most people don't. But I think it becomes a world where it is, like I said, it is a guarantee that everyone will have it. And it might be as something as simple as like, it actually might be like your pet. Like, think about that. Like, you might not actually, like you might have like your, you know, your cats and dogs and stuff like that now, but you actually might have a AI pet that is doing some of the simplistic things in your life in your home that like you've seen probably those like robots that are like this big and they like run around and stuff like that, and they can talk and interact with you. I think those are some of the coolest things in AI, is not just like the typical things that we talk about, the Chat GPTs, the Clots, and Gemnites. I think it is literally the physical aspect of it in the world. And that is like what a lot of people, unless you're in it, you're not talking about, you're not even considering. And so I think like for anyone listening, like you can very easily just go just watch some videos on it, just to s just to see what's coming. You don't need to understand it. I and I don't even think you probably should right now, but like just see what's coming because like that will ultimately like it can benefit your life for the for the for the better in the future. So that would be my thing. I think like when when you can and it's not like I don't know, hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe go get yourself an AI pet, a real one.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:16

So I will say I have one piece is lawnmower.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:19

Your lawnmower is AI. Yeah, just go out into your lawn, it just like does its thing, kind of like a like a roombo or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:25

Yeah, similar. And it just keeps the grass at a certain level and it oh it's always there. And you know, it knows when it's rained, it it understands like the temperature and understands like how long the grass could be because it's also attached to my app, which does my watering and it knows how much water the grass has got, what the heat is. It should, it will also know how much the grass is growing and so on and so forth, so it knows when it needs to cut and stuff like that. But you know, again, I still I still have a normal lawnmower because there is times where I want to go out with my shirt off and go just mow my lawn, put my headphones in, listen to a podcast or listen to music and go do that, right? Yeah, but it is it it's it's the thing that where it stops me from being like, oh, I can't do this enjoyable thing with my friends because I have to mow my lawn. Fair. Fair. Right? So I'm just I'm giving it the opportunity that I can do it myself. Yeah. But I have the the ability to have it done on its own so I can do things that I really want to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:26

Is there anything that you've seen in AI that you think people aren't looking at as well? I'm curious from your perspective.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:36

I think there could be a lot more in home automation.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:41

On energy saving. Yeah. You know, I think we could all understand that you could why is my electrical bill so high? Why is this so high? Why is that? You know, why can't it say, you know, if if a room hasn't had activity in it for a certain period of time, shut the light off. If uh if there's, you know, it could predict what the temperature is gonna be like tomorrow. So would it cool the house more than it normally would? That might be a little bit too cool for you in the morning, but it's gonna help during the day.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:12

Pre-predicting things like that, I think that's a kind of a cool piece that would be super helpful and saving people money too. Um I I think it should know by my phone that I've entered into my driveway and it should turn the lights on to my house for me. It should do, it should turn on the music I want. Yeah, you know, things like that would be really cool. I mean, that's probably maybe a a little bit too much for some people. I mean, that's just that's just me personally, but um, you know, it turns the fireplace on in the winter, and I get to come home and it's like that's sweet. Yeah, it's got a vibe to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but I mean, those are all really easy things that it can understand your GPS location, it can you know understand that, and it could open the garage door for you. Yeah, all of those kind of little things that we we do every day. And yeah, it's not gonna change my life by any means, but I think it's just kind of cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:08

Yeah, I I love that. Um, and I feel like we're actually we might be pretty close where we were talking about like the tools that like you know, ChatGPT and Gemini and stuff and Claude can all access to. Why not? Like Google has like a bunch of like automat home automation stuff, like be able to just like talk to Gemini and be like, hey, do this, this, and that, or set up this automation for me for everything that's connected. I truthfully I don't even know if that's possible right now. It might be. Um it could be.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:38

And and and I think you just like it wouldn't be like a software you could like buy and sell to someone because everybody's gonna have different type of of camera or a different type of automation in their home. Um, but I think if you could use and understand APIs and and certain plugins and certain certain things like that, that you could uh easily orchestrate that on your own. I don't think it's gonna turn fireplaces on and things like that, but I think it could open your garage door for you. I think it could turn on your exterior lights, I think it could put music on.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:10

I think that could be you know something that could be done. Um automation home services business. Sounds like a pretty big opportunity. I I mean, I think I think when you when you think out of the box in that sense of of all of the things we do every day um that we don't think of.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:31

Right. That's where I think people will win is doing those little tiny things that most people aren't thinking about because they're looking at this like big grand idea that's never been done before, and they're gonna like change the way we do this. Yeah. When you know, I think it's most impactful right now to just do the easy things. Yep. Fair. My two cents. Um, we'll jump on the last lap. Um, my last question. Um so is the one I told everybody at the start the whole reason why hopefully they stayed. Um, someone listening right now, they've used ChatGPT a few times. They're not a tech person, they're not going to learn code. Uh, they're a parent, a business owner, a regular person just trying to keep up. And they want to actually build something this week. You just want to give them one hack, one habit, one prompt, one tool, one five-minute experiment they can do this week that puts them ahead of 99% of the people still using Chat GPT like Google. What is it? Walk me through exactly and how can they do it?

SPEAKER_02 1:28:38

Okay. So there are infinite things that you could do this week to make your life easier. We've talked about several during this podcast. Um I think this week what you can do and what you should do, first of all, if you haven't done it across the board, whatever you're using, um go ask it to interview you. And this will lead to a bunch of other things, but ask it to interview you. And the reason being is I think everyone is using it without it actually knowing who you are. It is only going to be as awesome as it is and the amazing stuff that we've been talking about when it knows who you are, what you do, what your goals are in life, like all that stuff. You could literally just ask it, hey, I want you to interview me for 30 minutes, ask me about my life, my work, my goals, my family, all of it. And don't be afraid to share. Don't type everything out, switch to voice mode.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:39

I was just gonna say the same thing. Please, when you're doing this and you're listening to Corey, put it on voice mode and have like a uh a conversation as you would with someone on the phone.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:47

Yeah, just click the microphone or click the voice mode button on wherever you're at and do it because you'll you'll thank us later.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:54

Um and the cool, and it just to sorry to interrupt you just quickly, but um, if you are using a certain um like ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, uh, whatever it may be, um, Grok, doesn't matter, if you do it once somewhere and you're like, okay, I but I also I like, and then you know, a few weeks from now you're like, oh, I actually like this system better, it understands me differently or whatever, you can ask it to download everything about me and give it to you in a you know, a PDF or whatever it may be, and you can ask it that, and then you could just take it, copy it into the other um open source model or whatever that you want to use, and and have it understand you instantaneously. And if you are using different ones for different reasons, you can do it in one place and share it to the other ones.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:44

I call that your personal master prompt. You should always have one wherever you go, whatever you do, it's like that's so you can like just move from like application to application, because like last year Chat GBT was the big thing. This year, Claude is now the big thing. Who knows what it will be in the following year, right? But when you're doing this interview, you're basically doing that. You're building your personal master prompt. This is everything about your life as of today. The beautiful thing is that you can update it and it will like these AI models will update it for you as you have conversations with it. Um, but I think that's one thing that everyone should do today because now every conversation going forward and whatever you use will have all of those pieces of your life in mind. And every action that it takes will have those pieces of your life and where you want to go in mind. I literally like I have conversations or asking it to do stuff uh for me, like I'm talking about Claude specifically, and it will if I ask it to do something that is almost like against um some of my goals, it will call me out on it. And if it didn't know anything about you, it wouldn't do that otherwise, right? And so that is like this is a big thing. Personal master prompt, that's the first thing you can do. Have a 30-minute interview in voice mode with whatever um AI chat interface that you're using. And then I gave you maybe one more temp hit. Once you're done with that, um something that's useful for everyone this week. Uh I want everyone to go build their first uh simplistic agent. And this could just be, remember what I said, the agent is just a brain with skills and tools. That is it. You can do it this week, literally anyone. We talked about emails and stuff like that. Think about what's the most annoying thing in your life. Is it, you know, transaction, your personal transactions that you deal with because you need to keep track of your budget? Is it um replying to emails? Is it organizing your your uh your folders? Is it whatever? Name whatever. Organizing kids sports, organizing kids' sports, whatever it might be, um, or even planning your meals out for your family throughout the week, whatever. Your workouts, my god, it's endless. Um, pick the thing that you think would be like, oh my god, I feel like that would be amazing, and go ask AI. Like, literally just go ask it, be like, hey, this is what I want to do. How do I go do it? It will tell you, and then you can tell it to go execute on that plan. If it can't do something, it will it will tell you, like, hey, I can't do this, but you can do it by doing X, Y, and Z. It will be so explicit for you. And that alone, I think, will be some of the biggest ones that you can get this week. Take one mundane, annoying thing that is in your life personally, and just get AI to do it. And trust it for at least like a couple weeks. Give it a shot. Because I think some people like will do it and then give up on it. Give it a shot. See how well it actually does. See how well it can actually just like improve your life or make that part of your life easier, how much more time you can go spend with your kids because you don't have to do the budget anymore, or you don't have to like plan all your meals anymore, or plan out your grocery list, or plan out your kids' like sport schedule or whatever it might be. You can just go to their game. You can just go, you know, to the grocery store with like the list of you want, or go to the store one time and not have to go back multiple times, right? So I think that's some practical stuff. Build a personal master prompt. Once you're done that, automate one mundane personal thing in your life this week.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:35

And we just named like six of them of what you could do. Cool. Well, thanks for spending the time with us, buddy. And um, you know, if you're listening, comment below. Um, you know, send us a DM, whoever you're watching. And and if this was something that you found to be impactful, um let us know in the comments and maybe we'll have Corey back on and we can kind of dive a little bit deeper and kind of guide you through a little bit of these processes. And um, we want to be able to help people that aren't professionals yet at it and really just kind of get their feet wet in it. So if it uh it's been helpful for you, let us know in the comments and uh we'll hopefully uh get Corey back on and and talk a little bit more about the things we've talked to talked to tonight. And yeah, thank you for your time and we appreciate you. Awesome. Thanks for having me on.