Get Paid By God and Other Things We're Not Supposed to Say with Jaclyn Shaw

Some conversations challenge the rules you've been taught to follow, especially the ones you didn't realize you were still living by.

In this episode, I’m joined by Spiritual Mentor and Entrepreneur Jaclyn Shaw for a conversation around truth, God, money, authentic expression, and what happens when you stop building your business around what you think you're supposed to say. Jaclyn shares her journey of honoring her voice, releasing external expectations, and creating a business rooted in alignment rather than performance.

We also explore the intersection of spirituality and entrepreneurship, including money mindset, frequency, self expression, and what it means to build a business that feels deeply true to who you are. This conversation challenges conventional ideas around success and opens the door to a different way of thinking about abundance, purpose, and receiving.

In this episode, you'll hear:

• Why following truth over trends changes the way you build your business and life
• What Jaclyn means when she says she's "employed by God"
• How authentic expression becomes a powerful business strategy
• The connection between energy, frequency, money, and receiving
• Why owning your voice often requires releasing shame and external validation

Connect with Jaclyn:

• Website: jaclynshaw.ca
• Instagram: @the.jaclynshaw
• Facebook: The Jaclyn Shaw
• Podcast: The Jaclyn Shaw Show

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Transcript

Speaker 0:00

Alright, welcome back to the Limitless Life podcast. My guest today is somebody that I was introduced to through a mutual connection. The moment I started learning about her work, I felt like, okay, this woman is not playing. I'm here for this energy. Jaclyn Shaw is a spiritual mentor, best selling author, and sought-after speaker, and I mean sought after in the truest sense of the word. When she speaks, women listen, not because she's overly polished or because she's mastered the content formula, but because her conviction is felt before she even finishes a sentence. Her work sits at the intersection of truth, voice, and let's just say it, money. She believes that leading from your full authentic expression isn't just spiritually sound, it's actual business strategy. Her clients build movements, they get paid, and she calls it being employed by God. And I am genuinely here for conversations like this, which is why I knew I needed to have her on the show. Jaclyn, welcome to the Limitless Life Podcast.

Speaker 1 1:07

Oh my gosh. I am so excited to be here. I'm so excited in the way that we got connected, and I am definitely here for this conversation.

Speaker 1:17

Same. I think we also have something else in common. Were you featured in Frequency Magazine? I was. I was. Okay, which issue are you in? It was in the beginning of them launching. So it was, I want to say like maybe the second one. Mine was last October. I remember because I always do things in October when it's my birthday, which sounds weird, but fun. No, I love it. So I love to take people on a journey of the guests that I have on. I want to start before your book, before the brand. I want to start with the human experience that I understand cracked everything open for you. Take us back. Where did all of this start?

Speaker 1 2:00

It was long before the book because the book came out last fall. But the book is titled Spiritual SmackDown. It's a spiritual memoir. And that really was the start of my journey and everything I stand in today without that experience in my life, which was in 2016. I just know I wouldn't be the woman I am today. I wouldn't be speaking about the things I am today. I got so uncomfortable in my own life. And I got to a place where it was like, okay, you've got to lean into truth frequency here and really like, what's your truth? And shut out the noise of the outside world. Like, this is your truth. This is your journey. This is your walk with God and no one else's very much at that time was a personal journey. And then I remember this moment very, very clearly where I was sitting at an event a year later, and it was a business event. This voice that moved through me was really like bring everything that you've just walked in your personal life into your brand. So lead in these conversations like power, conviction, knowing, trust, faith, and do it with God. And I did not at the time use the word God. I talked more in what I'll say lighter language, felt like for me, like spirit and universe. And then there became a moment where I built my brand in again, I was like, I've got to honor my truth and how this works for me. I built very successful businesses through energetics and frequency and putting my relationship with God first and finding the God within me and moving in this way. And most conversations that I lead in, and it makes people uncomfortable at times, like I talk about God and money. And I had to own that and own that that's like really what I'm here for. But started, I mean, with what I call my spiritual smackdown.

Speaker 3:49

Oh, you just touched on something that we're gonna get into, which is the language, but I want to stay with the story for a second behind all of this stuff because you really have. I know the book is about you call it a holy initiation rather than like a betrayal story. Was there a certain point where you were able to make that reframe? Like was it a choice? Did it just arrive?

Speaker 1 4:14

It's so interesting because right at the beginning of the experience, I was three months pregnant with my daughter. This sounds dramatic, but I felt like her life depended on how I showed up for myself during this experience. And while I was pregnant with her, I had had two second-term miscarriages right before her. She had health complications that I found out right around when, you know, when I was three months pregnant with her. So right around the time of my spiritual smackdown. I mean, I call it this big holy initiation because it really was, and it really was right from the very beginning. I had this knowing that I was gonna be okay, even though I felt very unokay, well, even though I felt very unsafe, very much in the unknown, very much like my entire life was falling apart. And I just had this feeling like you're gonna be okay. And right away, I mean, the subtitle of the book is From Victim to Goddess, and I was like, you're not a victim here. Again, I wasn't super connected. I had dabbled in spirituality before, but the feeling there was this is like really happening for you. Not in this like spiritual bypassing way of like everything happens for a reason because I actually hated when people would say that to me, but I really felt it at the depth of my soul. And the words for me were it's not about you and it's fully about you. Like it's not about you and it's fully for you. And so I took myself on this journey with me and my daughter, and I had a two-year-old son, and it literally just shifted my whole world and it really opened me up, but I had to listen to the inner voice versus my human voice and what my ego wanted to tell me and what my ego wanted to choose and decide.

Speaker 5:44

It's very interesting because for women who haven't been connected to that inner voice for most of their life, it can be terrifying when it shows up or just super weird, and you're like, what?

Speaker 1 5:57

For me, it like went against everything I thought I would choose and everything I thought I would say and everything I thought I would want. So it was like, wait a second, I felt like I was in such contraction with myself. And so it was an invitation again and again and again to be like, okay, you've got to step out of your human mind and your self-righteousness and choosing what I would typically have chosen, probably if I wasn't pregnant with my daughter.

Speaker 6:21

I feel like I heard on another podcast, did you write that book in like three weeks or some insane timeline?

Speaker 1 6:29

So, well, there's two books. I've just written my second book, which I did write fully start to finish in seven weeks, but this book, it took me eight years and three weeks. So that's where the three weeks comes in. But I'll give you the eight years and the three weeks. It took me eight years to own that I'm a writer. I am not someone who's ever had, and it's funny because now I just should I wrote a second book and there's a third book I'm writing, but I never wanted to write books. Like I never saw myself as a writer and author. I've had a podcast for eight years. When I speak, that's my form. Like writing just really has never been my jam. When my daughter was three weeks old, I was sitting in the park with her. The voice of God that moved through me was like, You've had this experience first for you, and now it's for other women, and you're gonna share it. And I knew I was gonna write the book. And for eight years, I kept telling myself I was gonna write the book, but then kept exploring, like, can I find a ghostwriter? Can I do this? I don't know how to write. And I just kept telling myself I don't know how to write a book. And so I had dabbled in writing. I had written parts of what I thought would be a book, and then the manuscript was due on my birthday, which is January 30th. And this was 2025. It was around January 7th. I was moved from Canada to Costa Rica, which we do every year. We go back and forth. And it was literally on that plane ride where I was like, you have to pick up the pen. And it was just more like you have to pick up the pen, but you have to pick up the pen knowing that you're the author of the story, like you are the writer. Then it was in those three weeks. I literally sat in the jungle and just wrote my freaking heart out. And I didn't write it start to finish as a book. I literally just like sat in the jungle and wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote, and then I printed everything off I wrote. It looked like an art project around me. I just printed it off. I cut and pasted, I moved everything in different order, and that's how the book got written. It took me eight years to own that I'm a writer, and then I really did write it in three weeks by deciding like I am a fucking writer and just owned it.

Speaker 8:26

Yes. And I love that you wrote with a pen and paper because I work in the subconscious realms and the energetic realms. And I always tell people, I'm like, the fastest way to connect into the higher self and all the parts of you, pick up the fucking pen and just sit and write. Yeah.

Speaker 1 8:42

Best way to do it. It does feel so different writing behind a computer. And it's like, okay, I'm just gonna let this like really move through me. And I was like, I have no idea how I'm gonna write this in three weeks, but it's like I just had to start. But I had tried. I had tried and I stopped and started writing this book for years. That's the thing, is I tried to write the book for years. I didn't just decide I was writing the book. I didn't own that this story was a powerful story to be shared with my voice. Before I thought it was a powerful voice, but I'm like, can somebody else write it? Somebody who knows what they're doing? I mean, this was such a huge initiation for me because since I wrote that book, the last year and a half of my life has been just like walking the holy fire of owning my voice at deeper and deeper and deeper levels and not betraying myself within the process. I share about this in the afterward of that book. I then had my mentor, who's a very well-known spiritual teacher and best-selling author, tell me that my story was too shameful to share. My second book I just wrote, I had the editor say, like, this makes me feel uncomfortable at the very beginning. She's like, I am like reading forward with like trepidation. She's like, this is uncomfortable. And then she got deeper. She's like, This is unacceptable. You cannot talk about God like this. Change these words. Let me tell you, I found a new editor. But it's been like this reclaiming of my voice now. Then I told you right before we started recording, then I lost my voice. And it's like, are you gonna betray your voice? Are you gonna really stand in it? I mean, my work is about standing in your truth and your power and your conviction. And so I just keep getting these invitations to really walk with what I preach.

Speaker 10:15

Oh, this is just making me buzzy because one of the things I work with a lot is the frequencies of our voice. Your intuition and God were literally saying, you are not meant to have somebody else write this book. It has to be the frequencies attached to your own voice, had to be your energy.

Speaker 1 10:33

I love this. And one thing I'll actually tell you is that my voice literally changed throughout this process. My clients faulted. Like if you listen to something I recorded two years ago, my voice and my voice codes have changed. I used to dislike my own voice, and now I love my own voice. And that to me is the power of speaking in your truth. Now my voice feels like my voice. My voice before didn't even really feel like my voice.

Speaker 11:00

So I use human design as a strategic tool for people. Now I'm so curious about what the frequencies in your throat are. We're gonna talk about this off the mic.

Speaker 1 11:09

I will tell you, I know that I'm a 4-6 projector. I do have all my centers except for my sacral defined. And I do definitely have my G center. This one I know for sure. I have my G-center to my throat defined because this is where I lead a lot from. Is like my G-center for me is the I know because I know and keep it out of the mind where I have this desire to make it logical. It's like, can you just like stand in your power and your truth of what you know and speak from here?

Speaker 11:37

We're gonna have a conversation.

unknown 11:39

Yeah.

Speaker 11:41

You talk a lot about trailblazing through truth and not trend. And I want to make that a really concrete thing because I think to some people it might just sound like a spiritual principle, but what I hear when you say that is that it is actually a very clear business strategy. So can we talk about that? Because you say conviction becomes conversion strategy.

Speaker 1 12:06

The work that I do with my clients for myself, what I can absolutely tell you is that conviction carries a frequency of its own. When you stand in conviction, when you become so unapologetic about who you are, what you're here to do, your voice, where, like I've just shared with you, you're not even willing to betray yourself, even when, you know, the dangly carrots get put before you and we can make this a bestseller and this and that and whatever it is. Conviction moves people. People feel conviction. People feel frequency first. They feel the wobble, they feel the hesitation, they feel the doubt, they feel when you negotiate with yourself behind the scenes. People negotiate with themselves all the time. Conviction stops that from happening. Conviction stops the hesitation. And so conviction is something people can just attune in with you immediately. I mean, I've got so many wild stories I could share with you for myself and clients where it's like people will find me in one day and are coming in and coming into some of my highest paid offers. Like I've had people come in and say, like, I found you today and I want to come into your highest paid. I want to come into a 77K offer with you. And that's the power of being in conviction. I used to have the beliefs that people, you know, need to be warmed up to you and like no one trusts you, and it takes all this time to build the trust. But the thing is, truth builds trust immediately. Conviction builds trust immediately. And so I've never followed the rules of building business in the strategic way of following the algorithms and whatever the thing is, and you've got to post every day, or now you have to post three times a day, or you have to do this Instagram live challenge for 365 days, whatever it is, because for me, I move people through frequency. I move people, and so I care more about the frequency of what I'm sharing and the frequency of what I'm saying than following whatever it is that's like you're supposed to do in order to get you paid. And this ties into what you said earlier. I believe that God signs my paychecks. I'm employed by God. And so my walk is with God. God is my CEO, God is my permission slip. And so I move when I feel called to move in that way. And then again, that just creates this vortex, whether people find me on social media or in a podcast, like it is felt so deeply.

Speaker 14:25

Energy speaks before your mouth even opens. I understand why we've been connected now. Because that's a strong belief that I have as well. It is not about all the things you just, it is literally our frequency. Yeah. That's not woo-woo, it's science.

Speaker 1 14:42

Yeah, it's this. It's like we can get so caught up in our heads. Well, our mind can be used in very powerful ways. Like I always say, my mind is also like my most risky place to be. My mind is the dangerous place to be when I'm being called to move in certain ways. If I go up to my mind and I analyze it and I do the things that most of us were taught to do, like weigh the pros and cons, like what's the right decision? What's the decision that makes sense? Well, then I'm creating limitation in my field because my mind can only take me as far as what my mind knows or what my mind's experienced. And so I move because I feel called to move and then I let my mind be blown. I mean, one prayer that I often say is like, God blow my mind. So then I have to stay out of my mind so that my mind can get blown.

Speaker 15:26

I love that. And also, again, yes, getting in your head for all those years, you were like, I'm not a writer. You were creating your own limitations because that's what we do.

Speaker 1 15:38

And exactly this right here, we have to like so deeply recognize like we place the limitations in our field, not God. This is like one thing that I talk so deeply about in my work. There's often this idea, if it's not happening, that God doesn't intend it. God doesn't intend or not intend, like God's ready to meet you where you're at, wherever you're playing, God's like, yes, let's go. If you're in this like constant realm of like hesitation, questioning, feeling worthy, then unworthy, feeling like whatever it is, God's just responding to your field. God's responding to your energy. So if you're going one foot in, one foot out, that's what you're being met with. When you're all in, when you're in your power, when you're in conviction, God's like, oh, this is the field we're playing in. Let's go. Yes.

Speaker 16:24

I'm literally buzzing right now.

Speaker 1 16:26

I'm just gonna say, as you're buzzing, like doing business, doing life with God in this way, like it is a buzz.

Speaker 16:33

Oh, I know, girl. I know. I want to come back to God and I want to talk about the sacred business and the holy vessel versus the hustle machine. And I want to talk about the language that you use because I think it's important. And I think it's the thing that's either gonna light somebody up immediately or it's going to give them the ick. And as someone who, for a really long time, was firmly in the ick camp with the word God, I think it's because I grew up Catholic. And somewhere along the way, the word God became very loaded for me. I used to joke that if I walked into a church, I would burst into flames. But I also spent many years swapping in words like universe, spirit because it felt safer or more neutral. And it's been only the last couple of years where my relationship with the word God has really shifted. So I'm genuinely curious when you lead with God the way you do, unapologetically, in a business context. We both love F-bombs. How do you hold the women who used to be where I used to be with the ick?

Speaker 1 17:46

Well, the reality is, I mean, I think this is the journey many of us have been on. Like, I also had the ick with the word God. I also grew up Catholic and literally a book called Conversations with God fell out of a bookshelf and landed on my feet. And it was like the three-part trilogy. So it was like so freaking thick that I couldn't ignore it. And because it was called Conversations with God, when I picked it up and went to put it in the bookshelf, I was like, like, what the fuck is kind of what I thought. But I opened it up and I was like, what? I was like, this actually sounds like what I've always believed God is. And I've said universe and spirit because I thought, well, that's not what I was taught God was. So, anyways, I went on a whole journey with the conversations with God books and I ended up working with Neil Donald Walsh as my personal mentor who writes the books. So then it was like I really shifted into using God for me. One thing that I really hold for myself is that multiple truths get to coexist. I say this a lot in my brand. And so I don't explain and I don't even say, like, if God's not your word, substituting spirit or universe. I just speak my truth about God. It's fascinating because I definitely have people that work with me that feel very similar to how I feel about God. I definitely have people that work with me. And when they hear me say God, they just put in the word spirit or creator or source of whatever they feel like they desire to. But it's never really a conversation, to be honest. And in fact, I've also had clients that work with me that they're like, I don't believe in God, but you just stand in such conviction. And I know that there's codes for me here that I still want to work with you. And when they come in and work with me, I don't shove God down their throat. I don't try to make them believe in God, but I also still keep talking about my beliefs around God and like how we grow business and we create magic together. And so it's like I just really show up as who I am. I trust in who it resonates with. I'm also misunderstood all the time. And I'm like cool with being misunderstood because I've decided that my mission and what I'm here to do is bigger than the judgment, bigger than the being misunderstood, bigger than the stuff people say. Like I talk about God and money, and people literally will send me messages and tell me I'm gonna be tortured for eternity and that I should live in hell and belong in hell and and that I will get to hell because God would be and God will be so blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, because of the way that I talk about money in his name.

Speaker 20:01

It's actually fascinating because one of my friends, she believes in God and all the things. She's like, you know, in the Bible, they actually talk about how God actually wants you to have all the things, right? I was like, I know.

Speaker 1 20:11

So someone just said that to me the other day. They're like, wait a second, why are people so angry about your talking about God and money? And I'm like, because we've been taught that God wants us to suffer. And there's like all the sins and the sacrifice, and there's two chapters because I talk about this twice in my first book that it's like God's rules that are not actually truth. And like this is what I feel is the actual truth. And so we've just been taught all these like rules about God that are man-made.

Speaker 20:38

A hundred percent. Looking back on growing up Catholic, I can see that now. I can see how it is fed to us.

Speaker 1 20:48

And I also feel like just within context of this conversation, too, I mean, there became a point for me where not using the word God and not talking about, you know, how I use prayer in my business as an example, it felt like I was hiding. It felt like I wasn't owning who I am, but mostly it felt like I'm actually doing a huge disservice to the people that I'm leading and the people who are following and my clients. If I'm here, like, let me give you this strategy and tell you I've built these like multiple seven-figure businesses. My real belief is like because of how I walk with God. And so when I decided to just talk about it freely, and I would say things, and because this is another like core belief that I have is that living makes me money. Who I am makes me money. And again, like these things piss people off, especially when you know hard work makes you money. And it's like I get paid to live, I get paid to be the full expression of who I am. That's why God signs the paychecks.

Speaker 21:42

Mm-hmm. I mean, your program is called Get Paid by God. So it's not a timid title. No. I love that. I also know you're not somebody who sanitizes the way you speak. We've established that I don't either.

Speaker 1 21:57

I actually sorry interrupt just for one quick second on that. Because I want you to know, and for people who are listening, that now I don't, I used to. I used to. And I actually got really fucking lost in the online industry because I came in like I am today. I came in owning my voice and owning my truth. And I had an incredibly successful first year in business. And then the second year, my income, my business just like went in the tank because I started listening to the trends. I started being like, oh wait, yeah, I'm not supposed to say that. I'm supposed to talk like this. I'm supposed to. And I totally diluted my voice. And not only did my income tank, but I felt like then my work was soul sucking versus like, right now I could talk for eight hours. This is like life-giving to me.

Speaker 22:42

You just went exactly where it was gonna take you. Because what I was gonna say is, I'm sure at some point we've both been told that swearing isn't spiritual or whatever. And I was gonna ask your take of that. I did the same thing because at one point I had a mentor who told me, he's like, you shouldn't swear so much. It's not professional. And I was like, Oh.

Speaker 1 23:06

Yeah. The mentor who I ended up not continuing to work with that said, you know, my book was too shameful to be published. Like the first thing he noted for me too when he read my book, he's like, this could be off on the number, but I think it was someone like, you say the word fuck like 72 times in this book. Like people aren't even gonna read your book because they don't like the word fuck. And I was like, oh yeah, that sounds like a lot, you know? And so I went through the Google Doc and I was like, what would it sound like? Just like out of my own curiosity, like, what would it sound like if I took the word fuck out of it? And I was like, oh, it just feels not me. It feels like not my book. It feels like you need a few good fucks to like let things land sometimes. Through my voice, I do.

Speaker 23:44

Same. It's passion. Even when I worked in corporate, I would be in the middle of a meeting and I would say the word fuck and people would be like, but then they came to know that's just how I express myself. And when I started to dilute things, frequency of your voice is gone because that's part of our frequency. I didn't even know who I was for a really long time. And I stopped putting myself out there, and it was very weird.

Speaker 1 24:10

God, one of the other ways I really diluted my voice too was I tried to like follow the formulas. So again, we were talking like truth over trend. And so I was like, the way that I used to write, and it's probably why I kept telling myself I'm not a writer, is that the way that I wrote on social media even got like I had mentors, I had people tell me, like, that's wrong. Cause I just was like so free in the expression of who I am. And then it was like, well, you don't have the hook, you don't have the A plus the B that equals the C. It would literally take me like two hours to write an Instagram post because I'd be like, oh, wait, I'm supposed to do this hook thing, I'm supposed to do this. Maybe I should take the bottom part and put it at the top part, and it would just then all get all jumbled for me. And I felt like I had a constant golf ball in my throat. And it was just like, yeah, because you keep speaking, but you're not speaking your way.

Speaker 24:57

It's wild. I love that we're having this conversation because I can talk till I'm blue in the face about voice frequencies and how important it is. You're hearing it from a seven-figure founder people. It's a thing. I love this conversation. And it is true because I also follow the formulas, do the things. And one of the things that women start to recognize when you understand the frequencies of your voice is how you actually are meant to show up. Some people are storytellers, some people don't tell stories in that way. It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 25:28

My gosh, I feel like I'm gonna run something. There's gonna be something that comes from this conversation. Like just as you said, that formulas, I'm like, it's gonna be called fuck the formulas. So fuck. Not sure what it's gonna be yet, but it's gonna be something.

Speaker 25:40

Yes, you absolutely have to do that. Especially because we're moving into this new era, right? And I think it's a really exciting time to be alive. This is like a 400-year era. We're moving into a new one. Most people don't get to experience that. Like, how exciting is it? So fuck the formulas needs to be born. I'm just saying. And you heard it here first, people. You heard it here. I always want to take the conversations into this kind of space because I think for a lot of the people listening, and we're kind of talking about this also, visibility can be this like last frontier. They've done the inner work, they know themselves, they're still shrinking when it comes time to being seen at the level that they are actually capable of. I work with the subconscious, you work with it through voice and conviction. How do you see it showing up in your world when women come into your space?

Speaker 1 26:36

The biggest thing for me is always first harnessing your personal power. It's wild. I take people through this exercise. Get paid by God is a free offering, and we can share it with people here because I take people through this exercise and it's about harnessing your personal power. And most people will commit to doing something like this because there's a challenge within it for 30 days, and most people commit to it for a week. And I will literally tell you, as you said, like I'm a founder of multiple seven figures in my business. This is like the number one thing that I get my clients to do. And there makes a massive difference when you can hold your power, when your power is not circumstantial anymore, when you can stand in conviction of who you are, that's what opens the doors for more visibility. But God can't put you on the map and make you more visible if you keep playing this game of hide and seek. If you're like, oh, one day I'm gonna speak my truth and the next day I'm not. The second somebody tells me that I'm gonna be tortured for eternity or I'm going to whatever it is, the second somebody questions me, the second I get judged, I'm gonna shrink, I'm gonna collapse. God's like, well, that's not what you're taking a stand for. That's not like you're here to lead. And so you've got to be able to like hold this power. You've got to be able to be misunderstood. You've got to, I call it being like willing, my willing and my unwilling. So it's like, I'm willing to be misunderstood. I'm willing to be judged. I'm willing for my work to not make sense to people. I'm willing for people to not get it. I'm willing for people to think I speak a foreign language because it makes absolutely no sense to them, but I am not willing to dilute my voice. I am not willing to compromise my truth. I am not willing to play in the gray zone to make other people comfortable. I am here to be the truth of who I am no matter what, no matter who stands in front of me. And so this is where conviction, owning who you are, owning your voice, being the full expression of that is what creates visibility. And visibility gets you paid. So conviction equals visibility, visibility equals God signing the paychecks.

Speaker 28:42

Mm-hmm. And for anybody wondering what conviction sounds like, you need to go rewind what she just said and then listen to it again because what you just said was conviction. Those are your convictions.

Speaker 1 28:53

When you become so unwavering, it's actually freedom, it's liberation. And I think these are the things that people find like it's so scary. And yes, there's moments when you're beginning to speak this way and stand in conviction and being unapologetic in who you are, where fear enters because we're divine beings and we're human beings and humans carry fear as our human self. Like we want to control things. This is where we either get to choose like the fear that feels very real, but it's not rooted in truth. Does it become your limitation or does it become your catapult? Does it become the thing that you decide is the breakthrough moment that you choose to transcend through? And so was my voice wobbly at times when I was like, I am gonna like take a fucking stand for this. Yeah, my voice wobbled because the fear came in. And I was like, and I'm not gonna let that fear limit me because that fear is man-made, not God-made. And so I'm gonna see that as the invitation, as the invitation for growth and expansion.

Speaker 29:51

Well, and you said your centers are mostly all defined. So those were your fears because we have fear themes that live in three of our centers. So those really were your fears. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 30:04

I used fear as the example there, but when guilt comes in, the feeling of guilt, the feeling of shame, when I say they're man-made, like they're illusions, they do not exist in the realm of the soul. The fact that you're experiencing them in the human realm means that there's growth there for you, means there's something for you to transcend. So you're not meant to sit in the guilt or sit in the shame or sit in the doubt or sit in the fear. There literally is a sign from God to be like, this is an opportunity for you to grow, evolve, and expand.

Speaker 30:34

It's a map. It literally shows us where we need to go.

Speaker 1 30:39

Yeah, it's like, oh, this is where you're creating limitation in your field. This is where you get to break through.

Speaker 30:44

Yeah. What pattern? Because these are patterns too. So what pattern do you feel like you see consistently in the women in your world, the thing they keep circling around? Money.

Speaker 1 30:56

Because most of the women that I work with, and I do work with some men as well in my groups, but mostly women, they have really opened up in the receiving. They've really opened up in like standing in their power and their truth and their voice when it comes to everything but money. So still, some of those codes we have of like being the good girl and the questioning around like, can I just get paid for who I am? When I say things like living makes me money and God signs my paycheck, there's something that feels almost wrong in that for them. There's something that feels like, who am I to say that? There's something that feels like, am I worthy of that? But only really usually shows up when it comes to the money conversation.

Speaker 31:38

Mm-hmm. I feel like there's some things tangled in that as well because of social media and all of the things too. Because what you're saying isn't that God is doing the work for you. You're doing the work, you're taking the actions, you're moving forward. I think that's a challenge too, especially with some of the worthiness, because I see it too. Women are like, well, I don't even feel like I'm worthy of this because I wasn't chosen. It's very interesting to me.

Speaker 1 32:08

There's been a huge shift of can I call it the masculine energy to the feminine energy, like pendulum swing. And so women that are like, I'm tired of like the story of the hard work and the hustle. And so then they're like, let me shift into my feminine. And then it's like, I'm just like sitting here and leaning back and like, and when I say things like, you know, God signs the paychecks, it's just like, okay, I can just lean back and like God's gonna take care of everything. But it's like God takes care, God provides God's in deliverance, but God meets you where you're at. And so I can believe so deeply that God's conspiring in my favor because I'm conspiring in my favor. I talk about not having attachments and expectation to things, and then I contradict myself in a way when I say, and I have absolute expectations of God. So I don't have expectations in the sense where I say, like, that's an illusion, that's basing control. There's not an attachment to the way things happen or the timeline of it, but I do expect God to show up in deliverance. I do expect God to meet me where I'm at because I'm also willing. I'm willing to follow the soul nudges, those whispers that make absolutely no sense. I'm willing to get uncomfortable. I'm willing to, again, not think things through logically and go because I feel like God tells me to go. And so, of course, I expect him to like catch me on the other side. Of course, I expect him to show up because I'm not hiding. I'm not sitting back waiting. And I hear this all the time too. It's this like, oh, I'm just waiting on God over here. No, God's waiting on you. God's waiting on you to like step in to like show the fuck up and so that he can meet you.

Speaker 33:43

Yes.

Speaker 1 33:44

Oh, so many nuggets in this conversation. I'm gonna be like honest. I feel like breaking it down in business, it's so much simpler than we make it. We make it so complicated. And for me, it's claiming your authority, standing in the truth of who you are, activating your voice in this way, showing the fuck up for yourself, operating as the creator you are. So, like getting out of your mind and out of the like comparison and competition and thinking you have to do things a certain way. And you become the path of least resistance when like you are really willing to do so, when you are willing to be unapologetically who you are, and then work on the money piece where you have limitation around receiving and receiving money because God is literally ready to pour into you. God does experience life through you and wants to experience abundance and money and wealth and all the things that come along with that.

Speaker 34:36

I want to close with something that I ask everybody because I always find the answer always reveals what somebody is really building under everything else. So what do you think this chapter of your work is actually about? Not the programs or the book, but like what are you really here to do?

Speaker 1 34:58

I feel that I'm really here to light the holy fire in women and to also like walk with women that are in the holy fire. The holy fire for me is like just here to be so fucking unapologetic in who you are and to stop telling yourselves this lie of like, I need to become somebody else. It's like, no, you actually need to be more of who you fucking are right now, own it and be it. And you're gonna grow and evolve and you're gonna become all these different versions of yourself. But we just wait. We wait until we have this evidence, we wait until we have this proof. We wait instead of like moving right now. We've got to get in motion, but not motion in the way that we've been taught, not checking all these things off the to-do list. It's like get in motion, let God meet you there. It literally has to become your way of operating, being living. Speak truth, live truth, be truth, and let God meet you there.

Speaker 35:50

Yes. And for the women who are listening to this, who are in the middle of their own version of the fire, her own moment of reckoning, what do you want her to know?

Speaker 1 36:02

You actually already know. Like you have already got this tune in here. Your soul already knows the way. And so when we're in these moments, I think that's when we really tend to look outside of ourselves. This is when we got to go deeper within. And it may look like investing in a mentor or a course or reading a book that reminds you of who you are, but then read the book or invest in the mentor because that person brings that out in you, not because you want them to save you, not because you're looking to fix something. My most powerful experiences that have been the most transformational for me have been through books and mentors for me. So that's why I'm using these as the two examples. It's like, I read a book that reminds me of who the fuck I am. I work with a mentor, not to save me, but because within that connection and that proximity and that closeness, like I become so like unwavering in my own conviction. That to me is what we're being called to really step into right now, to stop looking outside of ourselves for like the solution, the answer, the pathway. Understand, like you are the way. You are the one, you are the way. And so go get quiet enough to listen to yourself. God's already within all the answers.

Speaker 37:12

Yes. It's time to take our inner authority more seriously. And finally, where's the best place for people to hang out with you?

Speaker 1 37:23

Instagram is definitely the best place for people to hang out with me. Like that's the social media platform that I'm on the most. It's the Jaclyn Shaw. I also am starting season five of my podcast, also called the Jaclyn Shaw Show. Those are the places to come in in that energy. My offers get paid by God is free, and it's three days. There's two exercises in there that if you follow those exercises, I promise you it will change your life. It will change your relationship with money. It will change your relationship with power. This is what's inside the free offering. And then employed by God is a 12-month program where we cover seven core principles of my teachings, and then we have mentorship together for a year because for me, I care about the integration of the work. I care about the embodiment of the work. I'm so over, to be honest, like the consumption of this and then this and then this, and then the new course. And so, I mean, there's an ecosystem in my brand that's like get paid by God, employed by God. It's a year with me for $2,222. And we meet every single week to stay attuned to this frequency. And there's God Speaks. I do a daily one to seven minute podcast where you're listening to codes like this every single day. And it's $222 for the year or like $22 a month, and you can stay for one month or you can stay for 30 months, however long. But for me, it really is like we've got to be like willing to be like so plugged in. God speaks isn't so you can come listen to my voice. It's hear the words of truth and God speak through me every single day. So you're reminded of who you are. You're reminded of your own power.

Speaker 38:53

And I'm gonna have all these things linked up. Before I let you go, I have one more question, which I ask everyone. What does living a limitless life mean to you?

Speaker 1 39:05

This is something that I honestly didn't even know was possible. I didn't know it was possible until I was choosing it, until I decided. And like that has to be it first, that you decide that you're done creating the limitation in your life, that you're done believing the lies that you tell yourself, because we all tell ourselves lies. And as long as there's lies, there's limitation there. And as you asked me that question, I was reminded I was sitting on this plane once. There's this man sitting beside me. I thought he was writing a book. I think it was right before I started writing my book. And it was like one of those things where I kept trying to not look, but he's like typing on his screen and I kept seeing three words, and I was like, Don't look, like you're invading his privacy. Don't look. And finally, I had to ask him what he was doing and what he was writing. Cause I was like, I'm trying not to look, but I keep looking. And I was like, and I think people need to hear these words that you're saying. And he was like, Well, this is a sermon that I'm giving tomorrow. He's like, I'm a pastor. But the words were, this might be my word coming in, but it was something along the lines like limitless truth, limitless love, limitless God. I was like, that's it. To live a limitless life. Just be tuned in to your truth, the frequency of love, and like own that this is your walk with God. We didn't come to this earth to live in the field of limitation. We truly did not. And the only one that's creating the limitation is you. I was the only one creating limitation for myself because of, you know, my beliefs. Like we said, that feeling of like, I'm not worthy. I'm this, I'm that. It is time to break fucking free of those stories and those lies that we tell ourselves.

Speaker 40:43

Yes. This has been such a powerful fucking conversation. I completely understand why we're connected now. I cannot wait for people to be listening to this episode. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day and hanging out with me and having this conversation. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 41:04

Honestly, anytime. Like I was kind of joking earlier when I said we could have this conversation for eight hours, but I truly actually think that we could do the things in your life that excite you, that bring you alive. Like the fact that this now gets to be my life, that I get to show up and have conversations with women like you, and I get to talk about like God and money and truth, fucking pinch me. How does it get any better than that? I'm sure it's good, and that's why I just continue to say, God, like blow my mind. I'm open, I'm available, I'm willing to receive.

Speaker 41:33

See, I love that. I will say, I'll be like, show me how it gets even better than this. I love that. And I also would often say, like, God, shower me in your magnificence. I'm available. Yes. Oh, such a good conversation. Thank you so much. Thank you, truly. It's been like such an honor.