EP #3 - Dave Loves Reynold McMeen

This is episode number 3 of the Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast!
On this episode David Rabe sits down at La Paz with Reg McMeen. We talk all things Duffy's, how it started, when did they start having bands and so much more!
The video is not the best because Dave wasn't paying attention to the sun going down but the conversation is great!
We will definitely be asking Reg on again, there are so many topics we didn't get covered!
How you enjoy this and remember to like and subscribe!!!

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Welcome into the Emaha Armington Rule Selector Two Loves the Bresca. Sticking the Russia Wilson, will we get to select her to love the brisket? So rust with you, please. The French filled with cheese wood. The one who loves and all of us from through and through Slacker Day. Loves Nebraska. Slacker day. Loves Nebraska. Slacker Day. Loves Nebraska. And now, Slacker Dave.

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Hey, thank you, Basil. Hey, uh, welcome to the Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska podcast. Hi, I am Slacker Dave. Uh I'm glad you joined us. This is uh gonna be episode three. Only we can do this for this many. Uh but uh this is uh April 20th, 2026. I don't know when this will come out. Hopefully in a couple, you know, who knows? But uh glad uh make sure you uh like, subscribe, all that fun stuff. Let's try to grow this. And uh if you have any comments or anything, there's a Facebook page. Uh we're we'll get up on the social media and then uh um Black or Dave loves Brasska Gmail. So alright, my guest today, uh one of the best bosses I ever worked with for. Uh he was the owner of Duffy's Tavern, uh, Mr. Reg McMean.

unknown 1:57

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Thank you, Reg. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Thanks for coming in.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

Uh my pleasure.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

What years did you own?

SPEAKER_02 2:06

We locked in the doors November 1st of 1986. Um then I was there till I believe 2008. So 21, 22 years, somewhere in there.

SPEAKER_01 2:25

Pretty good run. Pretty good run. It was a great time. Um, you you worked at bars beforehand, right? This is your first voting. I I was wondering if this story would. Oh, wait, wait. You know, we forgot to tell people. What's that? We're eating at La Paz. That's right. Oh Jonas uh said we could do it down here, so we're eating at La Paz. Loving it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

So uh got some queso, and then of course the uh salt uh chips and salsa. Yeah. Um all right, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

No, that's okay. So, yes, I did have this much bar experience before we bought the bar. How much? This much? This much. This much. So I was on probably my fifth major at the university in five years, and was literally going nowhere in college. So I got a bartending job. Uh do you remember all the five? Uh started in architecture, went to math, went to secondary ed math. Uh, and then what did I? There was another one in there too. Anyway, um art, maybe for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um but uh yeah, so I got a bartending job just the mom and dad train had run out, and uh it was time to start fending for myself. And uh new nightclub opened in town called the lucky lady. The lucky lucky lady in the basement of the Gold's Galleria building. All right, all right. And I kind of bullshitted my way. Can we say bullshitted on a podcast? Okay, yeah, kind of bullshitted my way into a bartending job there. Otherwise, I would have been a barbacker washing glasses or something, but I schmoozed. Um so and this was about oh, probably mid-84. Um worked there for a while, met a guy that was sort of my supervisor, sort of my boss. And we were it was a busy place. We trial by fire. We learned to bartend and bartend really fast um on a lot of nights. Um, it was it was kind of a cool place. They tried their hand at live music a little bit, got Miami sound machine there for a night. You know, it was it was a little crazy. Um weird ow. Okay, that that's a different story. You want me to tell that story? Oh, well, I mean, okay, here's what happened. Okay, so yeah, I'm bartending. Um I'm bartending a Tuesday night, slow as can be. Um, we had 11 bar stations down there. We only had two open, and only one of them was busy. And uh these guys come walking in, and they're like, So what's going on in Lincoln on a Tuesday night? And I'm like, You're looking at it, guys. This is it, you know, not a lot.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

And they're like, Well, does anything go on in late at night? And I'm like, Well, there's sometimes there's an after hours at at our house, you know, with the bartenders and some of the regulars and stuff, and they're like, Well, they go, You guys are welcome. Come over if you want. And they go, Do you mind if we bring somebody with us? And I'm like, sure, why not? Who is it? Um, Weird Al Yankovic. And I was like, okay. Well, Weird Al had been playing out at the Royal Grove that night, and they were the sound crew, the sound and lighting crew.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:59

And they were like, Yeah, Al likes to come with us if we're going out for the night. So, so yeah, we go home, open the doors, in comes Weird Al Yankovic about a quarter to two in the morning. Oh my god. And he's hitting on all the girls, and we had a pretty good crowd there for a Tuesday night at our apartment. Well, I mean, Weird Al was coming. Yeah, well, no, I don't know that anybody really knew that because we didn't announce it. Um, but he shows up, he's hitting on all the girls and stuff, and I had this lazy boy lounger that was my chair, which he promptly sat in and made himself at home, which I was fine with. Probably the best chair. Until we were watching MTV and Martha Quinn came on. And we all know what a goddess Martha Quinn was as a VJ. She was the best. And Weird Al starts dissing Martha Quinn about how she's no talent and she's, you know, not very nice, and yada yada yada. And I'd had just I'd probably had two or three beers at that point, just enough to say, Al, you need to leave now. Oh because he was dissing Martha Quinn. And he did. He left. So I kicked, I kicked Weird Al out of my apartment.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

Not many people can say that.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Nope, absolutely not. Um, so yeah, we bartended at Lucky Lady for a while, and then it got bought by some new owners, and it changed names to uh Celebration. Celebration. Celebration.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

Wait, I thought celebration, that wasn't at the the Starship, was it the Oh, I don't know. That was Mingles.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Mingles, yeah, I remember that place. Um, so yeah, celebration came along, new ownership, new upper management, and some promises had been made to us that we were gonna get promoted and raises and stuff, and it just kept not happening and not happening. And so this Al Hummel and I decided, you know, let's go out there and see if we can find something. Uh there was a restaurant in what was then called the Centrum, but will soon be called the Library, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:11

Um La Fonda de Acibo had closed years prior, maybe a year and a half, two years before. And we looked at that space thinking, yeah, we can revive the centrum. We can put a really cool bar in here and blah, blah, blah. We looked at that place. We looked at a couple other places. And then um, during our journeys, we ran across a guy named, I'm gonna forget his Daryl Runnings, as our real estate agent. And we were about ready to give up. We'd looked at a bunch of different places, and they were all gonna be at least a million dollars to do a renovation and get it going. And uh he goes, I got one more thing I want you to look at. I'm like, okay, we're we're game. So on a Sunday night, we go down to Duffy's, the door is locked, and there's an older lady behind the bar, and she sees Daryl and she waves and she comes and unlocks the door. Her name was Henrietta, but everybody called her Hank. And she would keep the doors locked unless she knew you. She wouldn't just let anybody in there. And and Duffy's was going through a slower time. They in the 50s and 60s, they had been a huge bar for the Air Force when when we had a an Air Force base out there. Um so it had seen some huge days in the past, and it was winding down a little bit. Um still had a good crowd of like first responders, firemen, EMTs, that kind of they called it home, and you know, enough to keep the doors open. Um so we sat down and Hank said, What do you have? We're like, What's your specialty? I'll be right back. And she brought a whole tray full of kamikazes over. Oh my god. And uh so Al and Daryl and I drank kamikazes until we thought it was the greatest idea in the world to buy this bar. Now, the it was kind of sad that we the reason the bar was kind of desperately for sale was because the the owner at the time was fighting cancer pretty hard. Oh yeah, and he desperately wanted to sell it and not leave it for his wife's responsibility, who turned out to be a great lady, happened to be a sorority sister of my mom at Westland, which was weird. Um so yeah, so this was you know midsummer-ish, and we got the deal put together and met Larry and and Peg, and they seemed impressed with us, and we were impressed with them, and yeah, by November 1st of that year, we turned the keys and opened the door, and it was ours.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

That was 86. 86, yeah. So when did you start doing the alternative underground independent music style worlds? So or did you start out cover bands?

SPEAKER_02 11:24

What I mean, how did they have a band room, Dave, at that point?

SPEAKER_01 11:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Because the other side where the band room is today was called Lachelle's Cafe. And it was literally a truck stop without anywhere to park your truck. So red shag carpet on the walls. So when you bought it, it was still that? Yeah. Was it connected? It was it was connected by a door and it was under our lease. They were subletting from us.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

So, like I said, we opened the doors November 1st, December 15th, they came to us and said, Yeah, we're having a little problem paying our taxes, so we're out of here. So we were into this thing for less than two months, and all of a sudden our rent was gonna double. So we just said, Okay, let's let's renovate it, let's tear everything out, let's do what we can do and see what's in there. And I think we got it all done, got everything stripped down to the bricks, new flooring, new ceiling, which thank god my cousin was a drywaller. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because I got a 14-foot ceiling put in for two cases of corona, which was a good deal, both for me and for Dan. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so yeah, I think we were up and going by St. Patrick's Day of that year. Um started out, I I think it was Heidi Orr that got that kind of got the ball rolling. She was our daily Nebraskan rep at the time, and she was, you know, she and John were were in a band and knew all the other bands.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

And they were uh I interviewed them on the first my first podcast.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

I wondered if they'd enter into this conversation. Yeah, great people.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

Um, and they they hooked me up with the Lincoln music scene, and and we did some cover bands. I I I'm never gonna remember this guy's name, but my wife at the time's boss, John Sponer was his name, played in a cover band that was really good. And and I'm not gonna remember the Fritz, no, they weren't the Fritz, that was an Omaha boom. The Finsters? No, no, they weren't the Fritsters either. They it was kind of a cool name. Um, they had a killer female lead vocalist, he was a great guitarist, and they they ripped hard and they packed the place. I mean, I was like, okay, we can we can do bands here, and it worked out. Um then Marty and the millions came along and packed the place a few times within the first year. They were new brass guns at the time. It was new brass guns, and they put a good crowd in there, and yeah, it just kind of did its own thing. And at the same time, I was drawing from my Omaha experience where I I'd been in a uh improv troupe in Omaha called TriCapu Souge, and of that group, Pat Hazel was a writer, was eventually a writer for Jerry Seinfeld when he was doing stand-up. Rob Baker pretty much runs the Omaha theater scene these days. Um, yeah, some of those guys went on to some really big stuff. So continuing what I'd been doing with them in Omaha, we got onto the comedy circuit. Um, and they would do it was the the uh spaghetti works comedy circuit. Okay, they'd do Des Moines on Thursday and Friday, Omaha on Saturday, and we'd catch them on Sunday because it was a slow night for us, and they'd play for a little less money on a Sunday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we had bands Wednesdays and well, yeah, because we were doing comedy on Sunday. We were doing bands Wednesdays and Fridays or something, maybe Saturdays. Um, and then comedy on Sunday. Tim Allen, fresh out of prison in Michigan, was one of the touring comics that came through. Um, so I got to meet Tim Allen 86 or 86. This was probably 87, 88. Yeah, we the comedy thing took a minute to get off the ground. Um but then the the whole paying comics and trying to charge a cover and all that just didn't work. So the core group of guys that I had for my MCs and you know, mid-openers and stuff, we formed the Amore Brothers comedy troupe. And you were our our drummer, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

That's right. And uh I played the funny bone in Omaha with Red one time. I went up and just played the straight guy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

So yeah, we had uh we had bands a couple nights a week, comedy one night a week, and that that room just turned out to be the most valuable piece of property in the whole place. So then there was the I always said we sold out on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday so that we could do bands Sundays, Sundays, and keep the place open. And and you know, the fish bowl took off. And the who what when, where, how, what, who thought of that? My partner Al had been to a bar in South Dakota that was on an Air Force base. Okay, and he had witnessed the the fishbowl up there, and we were like, we could probably do that. And we went to the fish store on 48th, yeah, bought a bunch of gallon-sized fishbowls and tried out a bunch of recipes. And it's like, let's give it a shot. And then you had to find the straws, right? And we had to find the straws, and that was no, and and just about the time we felt like we'd get a steady supply of straws, they'd quit carrying them, or we'd have to special order them, and they'd take like six weeks to get in. So, yeah, it was a challenge keeping the fishbowl going, but we managed it.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Um, so yeah, and then and then I'm gonna say you were on uh on point with uh dad's beer night, too.

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Yeah, the Tuesday night thing was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Because you know, now tall boys are just an everyday thing. Back then, tall boys weren't a thing.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

No, no, and it was well, and originally, Dave, we called it bad beer night.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember. I remember.

SPEAKER_02 17:59

And the the distributors came to us and said, it's not bad beer. You can't call it bad beer. So we were like, okay, it's the dad, it's the beer your dad used to drink, so we'll call it dad's beer night. But yeah, I love a good schlitz if I can find one, you know. It's it's pretty good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

So uh one of my personal favorites, bladder busters.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Bladderbusters?

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Not going to mention any names, but there are a few people that did have their bladders busted at one point or another.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

For those of you who are not familiar with the bladder busters phenomenon, um, it's free beer until somebody pees. Yeah. And uh or leaves. Or leaves. You can't leave and you can't pee, and the or the free beer is shut off. Yeah. They used to set up guards at the bathroom door for anybody who tried to get in the bathroom, but they would not allow them. People were people were bullying.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

People were bullying. They were big. I like to turn on I like to turn on the nature channel back then and try to hopefully find some streams or brooks or you know, water.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

Running water of some kind. Oh, yeah. Always great. Yeah. Yeah, there were a few people that uh that was a dream. We had to call it because they uh wet their pants. So yeah. Same guy, first three times. I think it was the same guy.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

First three times. Uh but uh uh all right, so uh but let's go specifically back into the independent uh uh music scene, yeah. Music scene, yeah, the alternative. Uh I don't know what other names there would be back for there. Yeah, it was indie college alternative, yeah. It was all alternative, if I remember right. That's uh you know, that's a specific genre now. Yeah. I did not know that.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

I didn't either, and I don't know if I even know the difference between indie and alternative, but no, and I think they're both specific.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

They have to sound like this to be indie, and they have to sound like this to be alternative. Exactly. And uh, I mean, to me, the alternative is the butthole surfers and devo and craft work, and I mean it's uh and you know yeah, there was a much broader the violent femmes. I mean, they're not bands that sound like each other, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

No, but it was sound, but but they but they weren't commercial radio, you know, and that was that was the thing. They were college station artists at best at that time, and it's what we loved.

SPEAKER_01 20:38

I mean, I don't think uh I'm also a person that doesn't think punk is is one thing. Right, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Right. And it's taken on a lot of different meanings over the years, too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Sometimes I go down a genre uh wormhole just to see how many different versions of the genre, you know, you you look at something like horror punk, and then there's like sub-genres off that, you know. I mean, it's fun.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

It's fun.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

I love it. Uh but how did you get how did you get hooked up in that scene? How did the uh how did you start getting the bands from out of town? How did that happen?

SPEAKER_02 21:20

I think just word of mouth. It started being known that the drumstick was gone, but Duffy's was picking up where the drumstick left off.

SPEAKER_01 21:31

And they were calling you?

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Yeah, they were calling the bar. Yeah. I think we may have we may have figured out a way. Oh, what was the what was the big alternative national zine back then? I think we may have put an ad in in something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:49

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um the uh project imports, when did that when did that come in with?

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Steve Schultz.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

Well they They set up shop when the radio the there was a radio repair store in there and when they left Steve and John Nanos and there may have been one other and I'd worked I'd I'd worked with John at Pickles Records a few years back before that. And there were a few and there were people from the music scene. I mean, John Baker was with the Gladstones, one of my favorite bands that ever played there. I just ran into John the other day. I'm still doing great. Um but John worked there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

What both Maeve and his brother? I think so. Don't quote me on this. Don't quote me on that.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Um, but yeah, I I kind of knew some of the people in the scene through working at the record store, through meeting them through Heidi. And uh and then word just got out, and all of a sudden I was getting calls from bands that I'd kind of heard of, but I didn't know a lot about. Um, and I'd just bounce it off people that I knew. Hey, should we? Oh my god, we're gonna get them. Yeah, let's do it, let's do it. And American Music Club, the DBs, um God, those are some of my favorite shows back then. Uh and that was early on. I I had no idea who I was booking, but I booked The Flaming Lips and I fucked loved it.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a legendary show. Yeah, yeah. John and Hyde, he talked about that one a lot. Uh speaking of John Nanos, that guy should be in some kind of Hall of Fame.

SPEAKER_03 23:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Because he, by working at the record store and all that, influenced so many people.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Put them on a good music. He would I he guided me in great direction. Yeah. You know, I didn't even really know him, and he was just like, here, look at try this one. And you know, I'd buy the record, and you know, whoa, that's perfect.

SPEAKER_02 24:02

Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, he and Steve Schultz were just, they knew everything about what was going on at the time, and it was as good to have them as next door neighbors. And my other, they're two doors down. My next door neighbor is, of course, Diane. Oh, from from the family, the so we were in good company down there on 14th and 0.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Yeah. So was there like a did you like in your mind go, oh, the drumstick closed? Let's take that. Or was it just like a just like uh it just happened?

SPEAKER_02 24:38

It just happened. I mean, I I had been to a few shows at the drumstick, but I I don't even know if I was aware that they had closed. I just was like, we have to keep this place open. We kind of hobbled out of the gate because, like I said, our rent doubled in in no time at all. So we got to do something to that was probably a big selling point on the original lease.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Listen, look, we got this other side.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Yeah. Oh, the point the one of the points I forgot to mention, you will notice that the gentleman who was our real est real estate agent's last name was Runnings. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Yeah, Jeff Runnings' dad. Oh, wow. From four against. Well, that's uh and he one of his parting words to us was if you can ever make it happen, have some music in there. And I was like, oh, it's too small. We'll never be able to do it. Well, it got big enough real fast.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

So yeah. But back back to the beginning of the bar. What bars were open downtown?

SPEAKER_02 25:40

It downtown was going through a blight. I mean, it was probably 40% vacancy down there at that time. There were um so the corner where Jimmy Johns is right now under the parking garage.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Yeah, uh the uh the mill and Sandy's wasn't Sandy's.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

It was Sandy's, the mill, Avant Card, and O'Rourke's, the original O'Rourx, were right on that corner. And um, yeah, and then they sold the property and kicked them all out. I I literally went over to Doug McCleef's on one of the last few weeks they were there, and I'm like, Doug, Doug, you can't leave this neighborhood. You've gotta stay, because I mean, we've got it, we're starting to get a really good thing going there. And he's like, Oh, we'll we'll be we'll stick around.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

I was there on the last night. Yeah, I'll bet you were, yeah. Yeah, well, I wasn't working there yet, but I was there, and uh they, you know, they can't take the beer from one license to the other one. So at the end of the night, it was like giving it away. Yeah, one of the greatest nights in the history of the old R Ori. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Um so yeah, he moved across the street. Um with the brass rail. Brass rail. There's there's kind of some there's some contention between Duffies and the Brass Rail as to who actually has the oldest liquor license in Lincoln.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

We were gonna get into that. Yeah. But you know, I think we're gonna have to hold off on that. That'll be a good place to start. Okay. But but right now I want to thank the sponsors, and I want to thank uh uh Kane Stevens from the Scratch of Bundle Podcast who's helped me out a lot doing all the editing and and such for me. Um and uh all right, hang on. We'll be right back. Hey, want to give a big thank you to Rick Peters for sponsoring the Slacker Dave Love Nebraska podcast. Rick is an independent insurance agent, uh AMS Insurance Center. The phone number is 402-476-3599. He's a great guy, great personal service. Amanda and I have been uh customers of his for years. He just a real good guy. You just you want to come see him. But the most important thing about Rick is he is a host of not one but two shows on KZUM 89.3 FM. Uh he hosts Rockin' Bones on Friday nights from 6 to 7.30. Rockabilly and all that kind of related fun music. And then Tuesday mornings from uh 6 a.m. to 8 a.m. It's the Sugar Frosted Chocolate Bomb Diggity Good Time Show. And you never know what you're gonna hear on there, but you know, they call him Rickabilly. I like to call him Rickopedia. He knows a lot. Great shows. Thank you very much. Hey, y'all. I just want to thank uh Rourke's Tavern for sponsoring Slacker Dave Loves Nebraska. Rorks Tavern, it's Lincoln's downtown. It's like a neighborhood bar right in the middle of downtown. We're at 1329 O Street, and uh you know, Rorks I've always described as kind of like the backstage to the Lincoln uh musical community. They do fun things all year round, they got specials every day, they got two pool tables, they do dance parties, they got a chili cook-off every year. So if you just want a nice relaxing time, come on down, see Jordy and the whole family down here at O'Rourke. Thank you. Hey, uh, I just want to thank uh Pete and Amanda from the Zoobar for sponsoring the Placker Dave Love Nebraska podcast. Zubar, wonderful place. Uh live music almost every single night. Sometimes most of the weekends, twice a night. Uh Zoofest, July 10th and 11th. Put that on your calendars. But thanks, Pete. You roll. Hey, thanks for uh thanks to all those sponsors. Uh please give them uh my best and my love. Um all right, remember uh spread the word, try to get the word going, and we'll uh try to grow this uh podcast and hopefully talk to other cool people like Reg right here. Um that light work? Let's check that one. The middle one? Can you let me see? Let's see. Alright. Middle one? I guess in the middle one. No. Nah, we're gonna go with it.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Screw it. That was fun. Thanks, Fred. Um, alright. So uh what were we talking about? We were talking about the uh who has the longer liquor license in town. Uh Duffy's or Grassrail, or is it who has the longest running liquor license under the same name?

SPEAKER_02 31:13

That would be the competition between Duffies and Grass Rail, but technically the oldest liquor license in downtown was uh Knickerbockers. Well, not any like when when they were when they were when they were open, 9th Street Chili Bar was 9th yeah, and it was called something else before that, but they they have the oldest liquor license in town.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

So that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

Um but how about between Duffy's and uh Bradley?

SPEAKER_02 31:46

It's still it's still a up for debate. I did get I did do a little bit of research at one point at the State Historical Society, and there was documentation that Duffy's was Duffy's in 1936. So coming up on gosh, I was just talking to Scott about this the other day, 90 years. 90 years this year that Duffy's been there. Oh, that barr's been there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Oh Scott, uh Scott.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Scott Halffield, yeah, new armor. Well, not so new, he's been there almost as long as I was at this point.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

Uh he worked there when I worked there. Yeah. Kind of cool that you know it's in the family. Yeah. You know, big shout out to him and James. Uh James, who does a fine job of running the uh the bar. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

Um good kids there still. There's always been the staff, is has always been the core of Duffy's mode. Oh there's good people working there.

SPEAKER_01 32:50

So is uh was there uh was the college scene like you know, what was it back then? Because it was just really the brass rail.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Um well there it was the original triangle plus the brass rail. It was Ourx, Duffy's, and the Zoobar. Yeah, and and then the rail was down the street, and then Aries. I mean, that's yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Yeah, but I mean uh Sandy's had moved out by the by like the mid-80s. Yeah. I don't remember Sandy's being in the the the 14th and oh uh during my okay when I I mean they had already moved uh in the middle of I'm trying to remember, did they move down to 11th Street first or did they move to the old McDonald's? No, they moved to 11th Street first and then they came back down.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

Oh yeah, because they're there now.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Yeah, they're there now.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

Okay, right.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Uh it's like, you know, like they never left. Yeah. So I mean, but was what what was the weekends crazy like on the block back then?

SPEAKER_02 33:58

Yeah, I mean, our the the Thursday night import night was our biggest night. And a a good reason that Thursdays were bigger than other weekend nights, we had a lot of Omaha kids that were regulars at the bar, and they'd go home for the weekends. So we'd get them on Thursday night, and for our 90 86 cent coronas or whatever it was, it was ridiculous, but we sold quite a few.

SPEAKER_01 34:27

I guess you could also count WC downtown too back then.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

Yeah, and Chesterfields was down there, and cliffs, and there was a lot of things.

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Yeah, I'm just trying to think of like where I mean, where was every all the college kids going? Yeah, okay, sorry. Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Well, and the old watering hole was pretty busy when I was in college just a few years before that, where the well, the hitchin' post and wooden nickel ended up moving it next to the zoo bar.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

Oh, there was a bar there?

SPEAKER_02 34:54

Hitchin post, yeah. It was there for quite a while. Yeah. So when did that bar move? I don't it it had closed by the time we got into Duffies, but probably fairly recently. Oh, wow, wow. Yeah, I think there was some shared ownership between WC's and Horse Feathers.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

Horsefeathers. Yeah. That's a good name. Yeah. Sounds like a comedy club. Uh a great Marx Brothers movie, by the way. I mean, you know, can't go wrong with Marks Brothers. Um, where was I at? Where was I at? Oh, I was gonna ask you more about the music thing. So Nirvana. Yeah. But before Nirvana, the flaming lips, the I mean, there's a whole I should have brought my t-shirt. Well, it's on a blanket. I still have mine. It's on a quilt right now. Uh I did find my hockey jersey the other day.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Oh, yeah, I forgot we had those. Yeah, that was cool.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Um, but the but w when did things really kick in? What was the band? What were the local bands or the Lincoln bands that were pulling them in?

SPEAKER_02 36:09

Pulling them in?

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

Leafy Green things, Trout Mystery, 13 Nightmares, New Brass Guns, eventually the millions. I mean, there was a night after the millions started to pick up where we had a line around the block of people waiting to get in. Our our capac our legal capacity, including our beer garden, was 200. And I know, I know we had 350 in there. And Lori kicked into that near the end of the set, Lori kicked into sometimes, and the whole room was like a trampoline. I went.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

I I would I went to the basement during Noah's time just to watch the there were 16-inch white pine, hundred-year-old timbers that were just going bouncing up and down. I mean, it was one of the most uh amazing things to see at a show, and not even seeing the show. I mean, like, I'm in the basement and it's the coolest thing ever.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

And we brought an engineer in, and we're like, dude, we gotta beef this up. He's like, no, those things will never crack. You know, and I'm like, beefing up anyway.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

Um, you know what a subject we haven't talked about. And I talked about it in my third pod first podcast, and they still have, I believe, the letter. Yes. That you see. I wondered if that would come up. Yes. 13 Nightmares. Um the the first, yeah, the the the letter.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

I was kind of wondering if maybe this was kind of a trick, and I was gonna walk in and Greg Cosgrove would be sitting there and we'd have to battle it.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Oh, no, no. Um, I believe people tried to get him to come to the uh Nebraska Performing Arts Hall of Fame on 13 Nightmares, but I don't know. I maybe he didn't even know about it. I don't know. I mean, I have not seen him for quite some time.

SPEAKER_02 38:02

Yeah. No, it was just it was a few comments that Greg made on stage, and I know he was just trying to be controversial and hunk. Yeah. And I was just like, dude, I'm just, you know, I'm the only game in town. Don't diss me from my own stage, you know. And I I I I took it harder than I should have, and wrote him a letter, you'll never play here again. So they made a t-shirt out of it.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

They made a t-shirt out of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:29

Um and we laugh about that now a lot.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

So then uh we were trying to remember, but I believe I just kind of booked them one time. Like 13 Nightmares? No. Oh Mercy Rule.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:45

I just kind of booked them and then they played, and it was like nothing happened, and it was all good. That was the first time they'd ever played there.

SPEAKER_02 38:52

No, and and Heidi and I had been friends way too long to let anything major stay between us. I mean, like I said, she helped me get that place off the ground, and I yeah, it was there weren't any. I it, you know, if I had any hard feelings at all, it was just Greg.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

You know, because he had a mouth, and you know I didn't appreciate it, but um and I I remembered it as John and Heidi were the ones that suggested to you that they hire that you hire me.

SPEAKER_02 39:29

It's entirely possible, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

That's the way I remember it. Yeah, and they I mean John's I remember it.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Well, you'd been working with UPC and you you had some connections that at that point. Really, not a lot of people had, so yeah, you were you were the obvious choice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Uh yeah, still some of the best time. I mean, you know, oh man, the the bands I've seen there is is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

Um yeah, it's like uh you invented a whole new position just for me.

SPEAKER_02 40:01

Well, I needed someone that had a lot more knowledge than I did because I was throwing darks in a dartboard, man. I I oh, these guys sound good. I don't know them, but they sound good. Yeah, you know, listening to tapes and going, yeah, this probably works. But you know, you Steve Schultz and see, I'm an old man. My watch just told me it's time to go to bed. Oh, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice. Um, no, yeah, you and Steve and John and Sean Mashew. And I mean, there was a group of people that knew what was going on, and they were in, they were in our circle and just made things happen.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Let's talk about Sean Mashew for a second. There was never a Sunday night that 120 minutes wasn't playing on the TV at Duffy. Um, but and I believe you're the one that told me, but without Sean Mashew, Nirvana wouldn't have paid there because he paid the he put up the he put up the money. He put up the the It was a thousand bucks. Yeah, the uh uh guarantee.

SPEAKER_02 41:05

Yeah. Yeah, and I think I think I think Steve was back in it too. I think it was a project records production.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

I think you know they had to have the money.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

Yeah, yeah. And uh because my partner, we had uh we had originally had five guys, three silent partners, and then Al and me and Al. And two of those guys, one was an attorney, and the other two were accountants. And when there were unnecessary expenditures that we weren't seeing a ROI on it, yeah, yeah. I got the third degree a lot of times. So I did too. Selling selling the whole concept of paying for entertainment. I it was it was it was a challenge for sure. But it was the port front.

SPEAKER_01 41:58

I mean, look what happened afterwards. I mean, even when I worked there, there was no Knickerbockers, there was no hurricane, there was no um The Edge. Yeah, which was in the basement uh on 9th Street, which man, which bar used to be Berry's? No, um there was something in the basement. Yeah, there was.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

And they had that place had the original bar fixture from the old Hub Nog. And people it was, I mean, Duffy's was a cool bar, yeah, but this thing was unbelievable. I know what you're talking about, and I can't remember the name of that, but yeah, they had a they did a music in the basement for a while.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

I mean, other than house shows and and halls, you know, the only place you can and I guess on campus.

SPEAKER_02 42:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:50

The greatest uh greatest uh venue ever, the uh culture center.

SPEAKER_02 42:56

Yeah, yeah. Um there was some good stuff that went on there. What was the what was the punk place on the other side of campus?

SPEAKER_01 43:04

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 43:05

Um for a while it was Stormy's Cafe, but it was also uh the bricktop. Bricktop, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:12

They had some killer shows there.

SPEAKER_01 43:13

We're speaking on killer places, Stormy's hash browns, cheese and gravy all night long.

SPEAKER_02 43:21

Pile of the brown, baby. Give me a pile of the brown. That's all I want.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

At three o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 43:28

Um man, it was a that was amazing. Uh um. So Nirvana, though.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

I mean, legendary. How many people do you think were there?

SPEAKER_02 43:44

I don't think it sold out. I think Sean got his guarantee back. Um maybe 120, 100. You know, we were probably two thirds full of that.

SPEAKER_01 43:57

And how many people do you think say they were there? Hundreds and hundreds of dogs in there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

And if they weren't old enough, well, I was outside looking through the window.

SPEAKER_01 44:08

I was not there. I was working across the tree during that time. Oh, okay. Because I did not work for dubies at that time.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

Yeah. No, and I I was totally distracted. My my second kid, my daughter Hannah, was born because they played the May 11th or 12th? 13th, maybe? Trying to remember. I used to, I think it was the 11th. Yeah. Hannah was born May 9th. Oh. So I had a two-day old at home. So I was a little distracted, but I did, I did, I worked that night and had a beer with Kurt and watched The Simpsons with them for the first time that they'd ever seen it.

SPEAKER_01 44:52

Oh my god. Yeah. That was awesome. Hey, uh, we're gonna move over that table just for trying to get this a little dark, isn't it? Yeah. Oh yeah. All right. I'm switching sides. We're switching sides. That'll that'll mess people up. Oh yeah. I wasn't even thinking about the food.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

Oh my teeth.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Oh yeah. All right, we lost our natural mind. There we go. Well, that was fun. Let me see, where are you at?

SPEAKER_03 45:42

There we are. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

Oh yeah, a little bit better. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:51

Screaming trees, and there were some awesome, awesome bands coming out of Seattle at that time. And you know, nothing against Nirvana, but there was a ton of talent, you know.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

Oh, yeah. Uh I mean so when I started working there was pre-Nirvana. So the bands that were coming through were the sub pop bands, the bands, the an amazing and the Minneapolis world. The amphetamine reptile. Yeah. Oh the cows, uh Good Lincoln Boys, you know, in that band.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

Uh you know, the God Bullies, you know. Yeah. And then you had bands like the Melbourne's. Yep.

unknown 46:36

Melvin.

SPEAKER_01 46:37

Melbourne's and Helmet were one of my one of my favorite shows.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

And I think a pre-day working there was Melbourne's and Helmet. Okay. It was that was to me one of the greatest things I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_03 46:50

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

And then, you know, you had bands like Crash Worship.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Starting Fires, and you know. You had everything going for you. I mean, as a inner in the world.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

This may have been one of the bands that Andy booked, and it wasn't even a band per se. It was more of a performance art piece.

SPEAKER_01 47:11

Are you going to say Semen?

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Semen was one. Well, no, hold. Were they the ones with the mechanical monkey?

SPEAKER_01 47:17

Yes. Okay. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 47:18

And were they also the one that had the woman who had the tin pie plate over her genitals and lit a cloth on fire and said, My pussy is hot for you.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

No, that was crash worship.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

That was crash worship. Okay. All right. Glad you knew that.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Well, you know. I mean, performance art is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

It is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

So you had you had uh comedies on Monday. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Which it started on Sundays, but we moved it to Mondays because we wanted to start doing bands.

SPEAKER_01 47:50

Pretty good comedians in there. Yeah. I think that young man, Mark Gross, you know. I mean, if he was. No, he's still working. He's working producing, writing.

SPEAKER_02 48:03

Um, he did Mike and Molly. He's got, he's doing gosh, we just talked over Christmas, and he's doing a Netflix show or something right now that's pretty good. Um, but yeah, he's he's kind of a big shot out there. Yep. Yeah. He um he was our second when we were doing the the traveling comics on on Sundays. He was the second full-time MC that I hired. Um, Jerry Daly was the first one, but Jerry moved on to to Chicago, and we had to find somebody else to fill that spot. And Gross had done a few open mics here and there, and I'd seen his work, and I knew there was something about Mark that made him pretty talented.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Reading. Then you had um Ross Broccoli and National for a while. Um then, of course, everybody's favorite, uh Bobby Red Twall night.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Yeah, yeah. He he was he was a actually the the whole cast of the Omori Brothers was in their own way. Tim Burke was uh in so many ways kind of the straight man, but then when he'd he'd turn a phrase just right, it would just bring me to my knees. He could say some of the funniest stuff with a completely straight face. Yeah, it was those were good times. And we we still to this day, and it's going on, I think 35 years at this point, we get together every Christmas with them and all the roommates that they were hanging out with. There's a group of us that that still Saturnalia dinner, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so we're we're still still doing it every year.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

Cigars still?

SPEAKER_02 49:57

You know, we're cigars aren't so much part of it anymore, and I and we don't get nearly as drunk, and we don't go to the strip clubs anymore, oddly.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:04

That was a younger man's game, I think.

SPEAKER_01 50:07

Heck yeah. And then uh and then came Shit Hook.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

Yeah, yeah. That was yours, right? Yeah, that was your idea.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

Yeah, yeah. We started on Mondays. We were doing uh, well, the uh the unplugged thing had gotten hip.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 50:27

And so then uh we were trying to do unplugged, and then shithook came about, like the boys came in, and they were like the backing band for like an open stage thing, you know, and then it just turned into shithuk and we moved it to Thursdays, which was a huge deal.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

Because nothing happened on Thursday, Friday, Saturday at Bob Beach. You couldn't have a show. The millions couldn't have had a show Thursday, Friday, Saturday. That was untouchable. And then all of a sudden shith's there.

SPEAKER_02 51:01

Yeah. Well, and we, you know, we worked out an equitable deal where we didn't have to charge a cover, and they were bringing people in like crazy, so it was money well spent to just pull it out of the register and give it to them, you know. They they and it was so much fun. It was so much fun. I what's your go-to shithuk song? Uh Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes by Elvis Costello, or um No Matter What by uh Badfinger.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

Oh, nice, nice. I'm uh uh I'm uh a uh uh uh uh uh Escape with a pina colada song or uh Blitzkrieg Bob.

SPEAKER_02 51:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

Uh so because even I can sing Blitzkrieg Bob.

SPEAKER_02 51:46

Great footnote about Shithuk. They were the wedding band at two of my kids' weddings, and those were the best wedding receptions I ever went to in my whole life.

SPEAKER_01 51:57

We had so much fun. Uh they've been my wedding reception.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

Oh, that's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:03

We had our last uh the Amanda, my last Amanda Sliger Queen. Uh we got uh our reception was at Duffy's.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

That's a lot of time. Nice. Pretty fun, pretty fun. Um but all right, so what else do I want to talk about? So you're from originally, where's your hometown?

SPEAKER_02 52:26

I I grew up in Omaha, but uh we had a lot of roots in in Lincoln. My parents were Rockets, Northeast grads. Um my dad's family right in Havelock, my mom's family lived literally in the backyard of Wesleyan. Um I had cousins all over town, so I knew Lincoln pretty well when I got here. I came here for school and never left. It just there's a certain charm about Lincoln that I just absolutely adore. Now it's the bike trails. I'm just I am on the bike trails almost every single day.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

That's very, very uh great for bike trails in Lincoln. Uh and they're kind of always they're trying to expand and connect, you know. Uh now we have the new skate park.

unknown 53:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:16

I rode by there the other morning, right? Uh NPR tipped me off. They were doing a story on it, and I went by there and I'm like, wow. You're gonna get out of there and get your bike in there. I need to get a little trick bike now.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Heck yeah. Uh you can always go to the nowhere compound out by Unadilla. They have a bigger foam pit. So they yeah. We'll get into them as a great nonprofit. They do great things for the community. They also have the stunt team that they'll be like at the county fair or the uh uh state fair, you'll see them do their tricks and they'll do flips and things that I yeah. Not on Dave's healthcare plan. But when I was a kid, I would have killed to do what they do.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:02

Um anything you want people to know in the world?

SPEAKER_02 54:11

Like in general or about the history of Duffy?

SPEAKER_01 54:14

The history of Duffies. Anything you wanna anything you wanna throw out there? Like, is there any misconceptions? Or is it oh shoot, darn. We must show our respects for Hank. Yeah, Henry. Absolutely. She Henry, the greatest angry waitress ever.

SPEAKER_02 54:35

The funniest, and and she taught me. I mean, like I said, I didn't know much at all when we walked in that door. I'd been bartender for a year, and not in a not in a little tavern, but like a nightclub where all I did was churn out drinks.

SPEAKER_01 54:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:50

Hank taught me everything there was to know about being in a bar, and with grace and with humor, and she was one of the funniest people I ever met in my life, and one of the dearest people, too. Just she was she was special.

SPEAKER_01 55:07

She would not let you drive her home after work without you taking money.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

You know, like, no, Hank, I don't give me that to me. And then somehow it would end up in your car. Yeah. You know. She would just leave it on the seat and walk out, you know.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:26

But uh Hank was uh a great person.

SPEAKER_02 55:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

Um, I do have, we're about to wrap this up.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

All right.

SPEAKER_01 55:35

But I do have one thing I want to know.

SPEAKER_02 55:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Someone's coming to Nebraska. They got three, four-day weekends. Where are you sending them? In Nebraska. Anywhere in Nebraska. What's what's their what's your you gotta see this uh item?

SPEAKER_02 56:01

You know, I went to Carnage for the first time two summers ago. That's pretty impressive. Um I don't know, just how you well up around Valentine is really pretty. It's it's really nice up there.

SPEAKER_01 56:21

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:25

Um yeah, I don't know. I can't really I mean I I still dearly love Omaha. It's not the city I grew up in, but there's it's there are certain cities that have no soul. Yeah, and I I count Phoenix among them, and there I've just been to a few towns that you just you never get a vibe. There's definitely a vibe in Omaha, there's definitely a vibe in Lincoln, you know. I mean, they're for it being a red state, it's it's got some cool, cool stuff going on. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

Um speaking of Omaha, Duffy, a lot of those bands that made it big out of Omaha. They started at Duffies. They didn't have any place to play.

SPEAKER_02 57:10

We were we were Saddle Creek before Saddle Creek, baby.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

Unless Tim Moss and John Wolfe put some show on, there was there was no bar really in Omaha.

SPEAKER_02 57:19

Well, the the ranch bowl, but it was all spandex bands. Yeah, it was they were doing metal, yeah. I mean, that's what I and that was the weird thing, is that that's what I grew up.

SPEAKER_01 57:27

A little later, too.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

Yeah, that's what I grew up with was uh spandex metal metal and journey and you know, just junk. And then, you know, use these things this Duffies thing just broadened my horizon to a whole new genre of you know, kind of the whole uh Velvet Underground thing. Who says you have to play an instrument to be in a band? You know, just get up there and do it. Heck yeah, heck yeah. You loved it.

SPEAKER_01 57:56

Well, um thank you so much for coming on. Dave, I it's always a pleasure to talk to you. You were somebody great to work for. I I got to experience a lot of cool stuff by working for you.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

You were a groundbreaking part of why Duffies was successful.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

So that's off to you, dude. I'm just one little sprocket in the whole cog of there were a lot of good cogs in there. Yeah, you know, gotta mention Andy. Oh, yeah, yeah. After after you were told you, I'm like, this is who you have to hire. Yeah. Yeah. I was, you know.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

Because Andy brought in some really good bands too, and and put on that uh the only musical we ever did. Oh, uh Hedwig and the Angry Inch.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

And it was brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

I was really cool. I always thought they should have done more of that. It was that was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Um, cool. Well, yeah, Dave, it's been great. We'll we might have to do this again sometime. I'm down. I'm down. You know it. Thank you very much. Uh thanks for um all the sponsors. Thanks, Jonas, and uh La Paz for letting us film here. And uh uh shout out to Kane and uh I love you, Amanda, and uh be excellent to each other. That's a good one.